Cosworth thoughts on 2013 F1 engine rules.mov

[yz125revo]

Getting bhp out of an engine should be an easy task, but how will a I4 or V6 sound only revving to a max of 13,000 RPM, thats what saddens me

[pulsarboy007]

Brilliant! Thecnology that can translate to real word improvements. Those of you who hate out there obviously know nothing about what he's talking about. If you need it spelled out to you what he's saying is bring back TURBOS, GROUND EFFECTS and many other goodies. He never said slower, weaker, boring..... that was your weak brained assumption. Yes, ASSumption

[Michaelingolfhansen]

@pulsarboy007

I agree! Nostalgia is poison for the mind, regarding the ability to see things clearly!

People are referring to the era where Schumacher won it all as the “only” good times in F1... Or the 3.5 era where many season was heavily dominated by one team (or driver) only, and the time gap between cars on the grid was enormous compared to know! WFT?!

Today 0.5 second is what typically separates P1 from P10... Back then it often only separated P1 and P2!

2005-2010 were some of most...

[Michaelingolfhansen]

@Michaelingolfhansen

..entertaining seasons in modern F1! And the “horrible” V8 era started of with 06/07/08 as some of the closest, most exciting seasons ever! 09/10 was good to, and the reason this season has been boring is what happens in F1 sometimes in all eras... on team/driver is just better!

2005-2010 was some of the best seasons ever… and the “horrible” V8 era started of with 06/07/08 as some of the closest, most exciting seasons ever!

Low-drag turbo cars with ground effect!!!

[SKiLLa2007]

@Michaelingolfhansen : I disagree, I think 2006-2009 were some of the most boring seasons. Qualify might be closer, but who cares about qualifying, it's the race that matters and simply speaking: there wasn't enough overtaking/action.

The period was necessary, something had to be done to make the F1 more equal and fair for smaller teams, but they way they did it resulted in tactical races without much racing-battles. GPs were won in the pits on fuel/tire strategy, not on driver-capabilities.

[NottinghamForest22]

its been put back to 2014, but its gonna suck! V10 days were the best.

[mcwallo]

Weak. I've got nothing against 1.5l v6 or 4pot turbocharged engines - think BMW Megatron - yes please! What I don't like is the fuel pressure and load restrictions. Fuel is heavy stuff, so if a team want to run high boost with loads of fuel they should be able to.

[TheFormulaOneExpert]

By 2013, I'll have started watching NASCAR !!!!!

[sangolt88]

I miss the days of about ten years ago when V10's was the way to go

[wks1978]

Is is just me or does this man (the CEO of Cosworth) seem to not really care much about motor racing?

[neeyotube]

I don't understand the eco-based hate. F1 has always been about getting the most from limited resources, whether it be drivers, engineers, downforce, grip, or power.

[wazuphomiez]

@neeyotube exactly...and for people that are saying stuff about v4 is for road cars and eco friendly and such, road car technology is derived from race cars. they test the technology under high stress situations (racing) and then see if it withstands. then they take those results and apply to roadcars lol

[I8ASUPRAforLUNCH]

@neeyotube limited resources? have u seen a drivers paycheck? or the cost of the factories these guys have? or the cost of carbon fiber, or the 2 million dollar engines? limited resources???? lololol

[deggis4]

Ridiculous comments.

[booker90]

Just hope we get to see the huge amounts of turbo lag that there used to be, might get abit more overtaking out of corners.

And any sort of serious F1 fan will know that the v6 turbo days was one of the best eras.

[crazyredneckwifknife]

@booker90 there was minimal lag on the Turbo V6's that were developed. And the other choices of motors Inline 4 Cylinder or V6 the V6 is much more matched for turboing

[booker90]

@crazyredneckwifknife

Strange that as hamilton and button drove a 86 era turboed F1 car and reported plenty of lag

Maybe new ones might not have it hey???

[Snoep76239]

So F1 won't be about driver & engine competition, it will be a fuel-efficiency competition?

WANKERS!

Cosworth guy had a point, make the MILITARY increase THEIR fuel efficience. But come on, not racing.

[Snoep76239]

God, Europussy eco regulations on RACING? If they tried that shit with NASCAR here in the US, there would be riots...

How about forcing politicians to ride in Smart cars instead of heavy, inefficient bullet proof limos. Or better yet,make 'em take the bus. Ditto for the idiots who thought up this stupid idea.

[Snoep76239]

Oh cool, F1 will be racing with RC engines. How exciting. I can't wait to go to the race in my Smart car, oh, wait, Smart cars mandatory in F1 in 2014? Goody, I can race too.

BOYCOTT 2013

[FalconEyez51]

fuck u FIA, i dont wana see these pussy 1.6l engines the ones in my vw golf, i wana see 4.5l v12, there doing this eco bollocks to get these pussyhole sponsors that only wana be associated with eco sports

[KevinTheSpecialist]

I think 2013 will have more Nascar fans lol

[thenicedudejay]

in future i bet the f1 cars will be electric powered , with just some whizzing noise :(

[kongkangan]

@thenicedudejay in future of future i bet f1 cars will be man powered... ( foot cycling )

[Snoep76239]

@kongkangan Human-powered F1 = Tour de France

[moondog203]

To be fair turbocharging is the way to go for F1. High revving engines with no torque aren't really useful on road cars. Even back in 1987 renault produced an F1 turbo engine with no detectable turbo lag. With today's technology get rid of the electric kers shit and just make good efficient engines.

[lostwill86]

if the cars have 900bhp or more i'll be happy

[stlchevy95]

These arent economy cars for shits sake

[kickassguitarist]

i want v12s again

[Marcus666Sund]

@kickassguitarist I want v10s!

[Defacement4]

stop undermining battery technology, engines are inefficient, no one really knows the outcome right now,

electric motors have loads of potential just sayin

[launger]

skip to 2:23 to skip things unrelated to the title

it is ridicculous how FIA is making both F1 and WRC machines little green pieces of shit. Soon they will be running on electric motors generating so much downforce that the driver will be in the pits holding a throttle button and everyone go around identically. Remember the times when all cars were very different and hard to drive? Remember when F1 was the pinnacle of new innovations? I barley do.

[mushieslushie]

@launger So you would rather keep them the way they are then change them? I see no innovation in that.

WRC cars this season are much cheaper than they were previously, and they are putting down faster times.

Times have changed. Money and fuel is becoming harder and harder to come by, deal with it.

[launger]

@mushieslushie

You are right and if the fuel or engine types need to be changed so be it, but atleast balance it with adding something for the driver to do, manual gearboxes or, as mentioned in the video, much less downforce. Otherwise it will become a showcase of green technology not racing.

[PortugalGP]

Eco-Friendly, Fuel Efficient, Less polluting ----» ROAD VEHICLES

SPEED, SPEED, SPEED, LOTS OF HP ------» F1 CARS

Get the difference? Don't make F1 eco-friendly, make production cars eco-friendly!

[burns985]

@PortugalGP I agree mate. But what you said, is what we (fans, drivers) want. What Cossy is pretending to develop, comes only from global crisis ! Nothing else.

[burns985]

one day they will remove F1 cars, and start making races with bicycles. Because they dont spend fuel.

[PortugalGP]

@burns985

And they would still have to do pit stops because of tyre wear... XDD

[AdangerousRETARD]

@burns985 ever heard of the tour de france? retard

[burns985]

@AdangerousRETARD Your user name shows whos retard. Seems like u admire your status haha.

[AdangerousRETARD]

@burns985 HAHAHAHA GOOD ONE...not really. you said "one day they will remove F1 cars, and start making races with bicycles." people already do that. i was making a point. im sorry if you dont understand "points"

[EvDog13]

F1 is at the forefront of automotive technology. What is learned by F1 in terms of engine and aerodynamic design can be useful to future production car design. If all this money is being spent, shouldn't it be relevant on some level? We all want F1 to be as fast as it can be, but if the motors are ticking time bombs that burn excessive fuel, they serve no purpose for the progress of the rest of the automotive world.

[PortugalGP]

@EvDog13

Yeah, you're right, but there should be a balance. 1,6 litre engines is way too extreme for F1, and it would cause huge losses in revenues. I mean, no one wants to see cars with 1,6 litre engines being named "Formula One cars"... the fans want F1 at its best, not a Formula 3 engine ripoff... tv ratings, sponsors, supports, it would all plummet and F1 would cease to exist.

[SKiLLa2007]

@PortugalGP : Dude, F1 in the mid 80s had 1.5L Turbo charged engines (either 4 or 6 cylinder) with ~1000bhp in race-mode and upto 1400bhp in qualify-trim. F1 engines have never been that powerful ever since .... so get your facts straight !

[PortugalGP]

@SKiLLa2007

Yeah, but do you honestly think they'll allow 1400 bhp engines in 2013?

No, just cheap and "clean" 1,5 litre engines...

[SKiLLa2007]

@PortugalGP : No, 1000+ is wishful thinking but 700-800bhp should be doable even though the FIA restrictions. That's not a limit of the 1.5L, but imho too-green FIA regulations ...

[AyrtonSennaFan97]

@EvDog13 I watch F1 for the enjoyment and excitement.Not because i want active suspension on my road car for fuck sake. Only twats think there should be exccesive rule restrictions that would in turn lead to F1 serving a purpose for the automotive world. Look what all this 'progression' has done,F1 has got to a point where they have to add DRS and KERS to 'spice up' the racing, as a result there is passing, not overtaking is which is just awful.I would rather watch 80's F1 than present.

[22j77]

The ONLY problem with the small 4 banger is the sound. That's the only thing and these theoreticians who thought of this 4 cylinder nonsense don't seem to understand that a F1 needs to sound good! Add 1 cylinder and you'll have an awesome 5 cylinder sound. For all of you who never heard a wild Audi 5 pot, please check out some Audi S2, Audi S1 and IMSA Audi videos here on YouTube! You won't be disappointed! Stop the 4 cylinder farce!

[mrwacer1]

@22j77 Turbos sounded ok in the 80,s and are very exciting when they go bang,F1 has to change or die.In recent times it has become fossilized and too uniform.

[gazboselectamo]

@22j77 Totally agree, listen to the fairly dull sound of the 4cyl 2.0 TFSI engine in an Audi TT....then the 5cyl 2.5 TFSI from an Audi TT-RS. No competition!

[22j77]

@gazboselectamo Yep, the TT-RS sound is really nice.

[richboy900]

The new rules will destroy the sport. 4 cylinders? wtf, thats like turning moto gp into the tour de france

[petbedding01]

@richboy900 Are you kidding? The most powerful F1 engine in history was a 1.5Litre Turbo BMW 4 cylinder producing 1000bhp per litre.

Anyone else who wants to bitch about the introduction of Turbo 4cylinders I strongly advise you look up BMW's M12 engine.

[TheSocialistKane]

To use as an example, the Suzuki Hayabusa has a 1.3L L4 engine @ 11,000 RPM. The new engine regulations will have F1 moving to a 1.6L L4 turbo engine @ 12,000 RPM. To me, the Hayabusa sounds great. With a turbo, even better. Sure, things like bore & stroke and firing order will factor into the sound, but whose the expert that says they won't sound good?

[hirvi93]

Why not 5 cylinder engines????

[tohtorigyro]

@hirvi93 better yet, 6cyl.

[5995Ferrari]

@tohtorigyro Better yet V12s? Come on F1 should go back to the way it was. Its not just about speed. Its about the racing not some green eco bullshit. The sound of the engine is the identity of a Formula 1 car think about what a stupid turbo charged 4 cylinder engine sounds like on a racing car. Even the toyota in my garage yields more power than that.

[TheSocialistKane]

@5995Ferrari Then perhaps you've overlooked the BMW M12 engines of the 80s, for one. It wasn't all 1.5L V6 turbo engines back then. Four bangers have come and gone throughout the history of the sport. It's not like they are just arriving.

[TupacX2Pak]

@5995Ferrari Back to the way it was when? They've had all kinds of engines. 1.6 turbo 4s will demolish anything they've ever had before.

[dustermaker]

@5995Ferrari uhh they acutally used 4 cylinder engines that were turbo charged back in the 80's and I 100% know your toyota doesn't have more power than one of those 1,300 hp BMW's.... A 4 or 6 cylinder F1 engine isn't a normal engine that goes in a production car. The current v8's are only around 250 pounds and can do 18,000 rpm.

[FormulaOneFan4Eva]

I got an idea to cut costs: Spending cap... DERP!

[rapljwop]

And just when I was getting over the end of V10's :(

[tsvtsv1980]

Curious concern personally is F1 under the respected bodies are trying to reduce costs etc. But everytime the rules change the response from the teams "we need to spend more".

[BoogWar01]

Hmm...4 pot turbo F1 car...800hp is not a problem, modded street cars do that now, so maybe 1000hp? Limiting the engine revs to 12K means that they'll probably sound like hopped up B18 Hondas - but with steep final drive ratios so they can still be fast. I'm trying to figure the why of it though. I'm wondering if there is a consensus to get the cars to be more like the car everybloke drives. So what's next? Formula 1 cars wit ha boot? 2012 will also be my last season as a spectator.

[McLarenMercedes]

@BoogWar01

as long as the racing is fast, exciting and the cars take a lot of skill to drive, people will watch

listen up, it is GOOD if F1 endorses the "we develop more fuel-efficent engines" philosophy

BMW made an excellent 4 pot turbo engine in 1983-1987. That one produced over 1400hp in qualifying trim with 5,6 bars of boost. Everybody loved the insanely fast turbo era 1979-1988 in F1.

Group C racing in the 80's was conceived to produce more fuel-efficent engines, and Porsche dominated

[McLarenMercedes]

@BoogWar01

In Group C (endurance racing) Porsche dominated with their 956 and 962 models. Why? Although other manafacturers could produce as much power as the Porsche they never could produce that amount of power AND be as frugal as the Porsche was. It used less fuel, which is how races are won in endurance racing.

This is also the reason Porsche IS very interested in making a comeback in F1 in 2013.

Audi's LeMans racers with turbodiesels result in excellent turbodiesel roadcar engines.

[BoogWar01]

@McLarenMercedes Blown engines are heaps less fuel efficient than naturally aspirated ones, in my opinion. It'll be very interesting to see how they get around the hurdles of smoothness and efficiency, I'm betting that the cars powered by these new turbo fours will be slower than today's cars even if they have more power because of their peakiness. Metallurgically getting materials and a design to stand up to the rigors of a formula one weekend will be almost insurmountable. Its not worth it.

[PetrolDemon]

@BoogWar01 you cannot say "in my opinion" if you are stating a fact that blown motors are less efficient.

[BoogWar01]

@PetrolDemon Naawww, when you make a broad sweeping statement like that, its best to hedge. A forced induction motor off boost will have nearly the same fuel efficiency as a naturally aspirated engine of the same displacement, so I felt the need to generalize a bit. But when you're foot is in it its much, MUCH worse.

[thinfourth]

@BoogWar01 Utter rubbish

[tohtorigyro]

@BoogWar01 in the 80's they had turbo engines that could produce almost 1500hp. i don't know how reliable they were but man they had peak power. but turbo isn't a good idea for something like f1, because of the lag. my worry is that the cars will not only sound anywhere near as great as they do now, but that they'll be alot slower and have stupid reliability issues.

[fdief]

@tohtorigyro I doubt they will be slower, even though I think FIA will take measures to limit boost. Back in the 80's, 1.5L Turbo engines were so much more powerful than NA 3.5 engines of the time that I think, with current technology, they could become really scary.

[tohtorigyro]

@fdief there will be a limit on bhp. as there is now. and i don't think they'll allow any more power than now.

[PATTYZ102]

They'll sound good don't worry

[patko1610]

so these are f1 fans : when in sport were 1.6 it was been allright and today its wrong ... why i mean back in the days 1200 hp were been normal in f1 car so whats wrong whit that if they made them good no problem whit me

[bullmilk]

@patko1610

Most people can't help but remember the V10 era and the power that came along with it. I agree with you, though. But the power will be closer to the 700hp mark, and nowhere close to the turbo engines from the 80's.

[patko1610]

@bullmilk thats true bt make them better and you get 800 hp thats allright

[ImFasterThanTheStig]

2012 is the last time I watch F1. V4 engines for this sport is like cookies as ammunition for a tank. 

[Clinton06]

@ImFasterThanTheStig Well, they are still expecting 750 hp. but F1 tech might bring more than that, in the 80's they had 1.5 v6 with 1500 hp capability.

[ImFasterThanTheStig]

@Clinton06

There's going to be a maximum of 12000 rpm. So, I don't think that these cars will break any records.

2004 was the best year, I remember this roaring V10's.

[McLarenMercedes]

@ImFasterThanTheStig

Who cares what engines they are, as long as they are insanely fast, and difficult to drive.

Ayrton Senna. Turbo-era. That's all you need to know. Those turbo's were very difficult to drive, especially in the wet. REAL skill will come forward once again.

And they are not V4's but straight 4's, which they used at Indy500 from the 30's to 70's, the dominant Offenhauser 4 cylinder engine.

BMW 1,5 litre 4cyl turbo in F1 1983. 1400hp!! Made Piquet champion.

[ImFasterThanTheStig]

@McLarenMercedes

Don't forget that they will limit the rpm to 13000. So I don't think that the cars will be insanely fast and I don't think that they will have 1000hp+.