Studies in Islam - Fiqh/Jurisprudence 3/5 - Bilal Philips

[luckywhonow]

i love him for the sake of allah

[prplxty]

Beloved family in Iman. What is this struggle between you about? Let's not be as one of those whom the Sheikh desribed as being fanatical about a particular madhab. All four Imans based their actions according to the Sunnah, so if we find evidence to support any difference of opinion in either the Qur'an or an authentic hadith, then it is acceptable. All madhabs has basis in the Sunnah and therefore is the madhab of Muhammad, salallahu 'alayhi wa salaam. At ease, brothers/sisters. Wa'salaam

[smartoez]

You might be studying with the greatest scholars but perhaps you are not one of their good students. As you accuse people of things without proof. Your way of argumentation is not mannered while knowing ikhlaq is the most important thing in Islam specially when discussing religion. Then you would have understand belittling and using sarcasm doesn't convince ppl. Then you would have understood when to stop and when shaitan is making two ppl fight. I recognize that & I am gonna stop now.

[smartoez]

We look at all 4 Imaams and THEIR HARD WORK, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FIQH WE FOLLOW ONE METHOD THATS ALL,THAT DOESNT MEAN TURN A BLIND EYE TO THEIR WORK....

Brilliant. you look at the work of all four imams and then do only what one imam has said. you have already made up your mind that you will only follow this imam, so what is the point of looking at other imam when it does not bring any change in you? You follow the same imam even though other makes more sense in some aspects? a big applause.

[truthhurts81]

you also said that that means we are following the Imaam and not Allahs messenger (salaat o salaam) astagfirullah who is the greatest teacher, who did haneefa follow? exactly what I am trying to say, he imitates the person worthy of imitation so be easy with your words....as you will be accountable for them

Peace and Love my bro/sis

[truthhurts81]

unanimously agreed as Haneefa as he is from the family of Salmaan Farsi A>S, now we don't blank all the other ahadith out there, that would be sooo ignorant of people but following different madhabs is complicated,

THIS GUY ABOVE IS DANGEROUS, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, EVEN THE SELAFIS REGARD HIM AS DANGEROUS, HE IS SPREADING LIES AND CONFUSION AMONGST THE UMMAH, GIVE ME A CHOICE, I WOULD FOLLOW ANY ONE OF THE GREAT IMAAMS FOR MY OWN SANITY, HANEEFA IS THE ONE FOR ME AS I LIKE HIS RATIONALE,LOGIC

[truthhurts81]

Abu Huraira(ra) also narrates:"We were sitting in the company of Allah's Apostle(saw)when Surat al-Jum`a was revealed to him and when he recited amongst them, (those who were sitting there)said Allah's Messenger?'but Allah's Apostle(saw)made no reply,until he was questioned once, twice or thrice,and there was amongst us Salman the Persian.Allah's Apostle(saw)placed his hand on Salmans chest and then said:"Even if faith were near the Pleiades,a man from amongst these would surely find it."

[idrisbrusi]

Astaghfirullah.

This knowledge is deen so be careful where you take your deen from...!

Allah bless our four imams and their students.

[truthhurts81]

Allahs Messenger(salaawaatullah wassalaamu aley)said that the first generation, I.E people in his time were the most truthful, then second gen, then 3rd gen, after this there will be liars.....

SO BE EXTRA CAREFUL WHERE YOU TAKE YOUR KNOWLEDGE FROM, JUST BE SENSIBLE AND USE YOUR INTELLECT, DONT LISTEN TO DANGEROUS IDEAS LIKE WHAT THIS GUY PREACHES!!!!

[smartoez]

He is speaking the truth. Of course the people who blindly follow one madhab will hate him. A simple fact you people cannot understand that not all of hadith reached to every imam. Imam Hanefa did not have absolutely each and every authentic hadith that were compiled much later. If we only choose to obey an imam blindly while ignoring other authentic hadith which proves things otherwise and which did not reach hanefa is ignorance. Whose saying takes precedence an Imam's or Prophet's (pbuh)?

[truthhurts81]

SMARTOEZ: clearly you not that smart are you. Following one MADHAB doesnt mean you ignore other ahadith,where did you get this idea from?

Also your post doesnt make sense,of course we follow Allahs Messenger salaawatullah wassalaamu aley,but dont forget that the first generation of imaams where students of the sahaaba, so thats pure sacred knowledge in its own right?

EVEN TRUE SELAFIS DISLIKE THIS GUY SO WHERE ARE YOU COMING FROM?

A DUA FOR YOU-RABBI ZIDNEE ILMAN,LORD INCREASE ME IN KNOWLEDGE

[truthhurts81]

Also I would like to point out the FACT that all the 4 great Imaams used more or less the same Ahadith, clearly you have been brainwashed into thinking that following a particular Madhab is incorrect when its nothing but guidance.

Yaa Allah save us from ignorance and arrogance of young un-intelligent aggressive people.

You fabricated it with your own tongues, and the rest of you repeated it with your mouths without proof. You thought it was simple, when it was according to Allah, gross 24:15

[smartoez]

okay truthhurts81. I might not be very smart but my intentions are clear to follow the truth and not to be arrogant. My whole family and I have been following fiqh hanfiya without knowing anything about it. But after listening to other's point of view and logic, I do not think blindly following is the right way. What takleedi people do is give precedence to opinion of one Imam over the other no matter what justification imam has provided. This means in other way following imam and not prophet.

[smartoez]

may be you have chosen the right nick for yourself, truth hurts you. If you are really smart please come up with sensible logic and counter arguments instead of being sarcastic. Please also explain why do you people choose to ignore several hadith in sahih bukhari and muslim and give precedence to the opinion of Imam Hanifa. Imam hanifa was in Iraq and Imam malik was in medinah where Islam got its foundation from. Hanifa took only ahadith into consideration which were mashoor hence ignoring many

[smartoez]

The point is not prove one imam is superious than other or more authentic. But the point is we all agree to these 4 imams and the right approach is to listen to the opinion of all imams and take the one which has more credibility in terms of justification. The amount of compiled knowledgge of hadith we have now was not there with Imam Hanifa and he was restricted to the knowledge of that region only. many of Hanifa's opinion has been dropped by his own students when authentic hadith reached them

[smartoez]

Imam Hanifa was not infallible and his opinions remain opinions only unless justified by authentic hadith. Imam said it himself that if any authentic hadith comes to you which contradicts my opinion then leave my opinion and follow that hadith. Since the whole point of ilm of hadith is to imitate and resemble the action of Prophet so one should not discriminiate or limit himself where it comes from if it is authentic. Also if someone follows an alim or imam blindly then that is wrong too.

[truthhurts81]

Sorry for the late reply/

SMARTOEZ: Most of the Imaams study all trace back to Ibn Masood,who is actually classed as Ahl Bayt due to the amount of time he spent there,He(A>S) is one of the 7fuqaahaa, promised Jannah by Allah, NOW Imaam Haneefa was 4Imaams down the line from Ibn Masood. THERE IS NON DOUBT THAT HANEEFA MET SAHAABIS

now the point I was making before is that following all the madhabs can be very confusing as they have different opinions on what certain things meant so stick to one

[truthhurts81]

stick to one to avoid the confusion,

You cant say things like 'following one Imaam blindly is wrong' Allah Almighty himself commanded "so ask the people of rememberance if you know not" NAHL AYAT 43.

So if YOU FEEL you can D>I>Y then feel free, im not in any position to comprehend the mighty words of Allah and the Rasool, hence why one school is the preference.

HADITH FOLLOWS IN THE NEXT POST.......salaams

[smartoez]

truthhurts.. there is a difference in between asking an alim for knowledge and blindly following them. I still remember one of my hanafi friend telling me not to read the translation of Quran as his alim says you cannot comprehend Quran you will be misguided. But Allah tells us himself he is made Quran easy to understand and as a guidance for mankind. And he also misguides from it whomsoever he wills it depends on the intention and sincerity of the person and Allah never do injustice.

[truthhurts81]

agreed....

there are dangerous ideas out there from dangerous Imaams and this guy being one of them

not reading the translation is a silly idea, how do you expect to know what Allah is saying to us then?> sometimes you need to follow your heart and what makes sense, LIKE YOU SAID THAN BLINDLY FOLLOWING PEOPLE then if you cant get it go and seek help from the RIGHTLY GUIDED SCHOLARS

Seeking knowledge is Fard on us my friend...

[smartoez]

please also explain how he is dangerous. when you label someone or accuse someone then bring your evidence as well. You see the problem is we just know how to criticize people who are working hard for Islam while sitting comfortably at home. Do you know how many people has become muslim on his hands and he is a revert. How many people have you brought to Islam, I am assuming you are born muslim.

[truthhurts81]

I was born muslim and NOW im studying with the shayookh,with habeebs and sayeds of Allahs Messenger Aley hee salaat o salaam,The pure sacred lineage,with pure sacred knowledge, all 4 madhabs in ONE MASAAJID,one cup,one plate...

so leave your baseless theory to yourself about madhabs creating dis-unity as EDUCATED people don't think like that. We are a one body.

Q: Are you a sheikh? or are you studying Islaam?

do you think Allahs Messenger Aley hee salaat o salaam is alive or dead?

[smartoez]

The people who blindly follow, if they were born in hindu family they would have followed hinduism, they don't use their reasoning and logic. It takes a lot of courage to see things neutrally and judge things to seek the truth and not arguing to only prove that you are right and everybody else is wrong.

[smartoez]

I understand following one madhab of whatever it says could be easy but easy option is not always the better option. And also I am not talking about you and me who do not have much knowledge of hadith to do the research. There are alims and knowledgable people just like this doctor, he has brought forward a very good point in part 5 about praying 2 rakat whenever you enter masjid. I am talking about approach here and blindly following like sheeps which I find unacceptable.

[truthhurts81]

This is what Allahs Messenger Aley hee salaat o salaam did every time he entered a masjid, this is a sunnah,

ok lets put this in simple terms, Allahs Messenger Aley hee salaat o salaam asked his sahaaba to read Asr salaat at a time of a journey, NOW SOME PEOPLE MISUNDERSTOOD IT AND READ IT AT DIFFERENT TIMES, SOME RIGHT THERE AND THEN AND SOME AFTER THE JOURNEY, WHEN HE FOUND OUT HE APPROVED OF BOTH.

VERY EASY TO FOLLOW YOURSELF BUT THERE ARE DANGERS WITH THAA, ITS NOT ABOUT THE 'EASY WAY OUT

[smartoez]

what dangeers? I dont see any dangers I see big opportunity. If all of the scholars sit together and see all 4 madhab and unanimously agree with open heart on things which is more authentic and which has more convincing justification of that opinion then we won't have sunnis divided and people having their own small masajid. Then there is an opportunity to unite as one true Ummah.

[truthhurts81]

How can you be so arrogant, choose your words carefully, you are talking about extremely intelligent people who did nothing but study Islaam for many years,even died for the cause so YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT THERE ARE MORE INTELLIGENT, MORE AUTHENTIC PEOPLE IN OUR TIME WHO COULD UNITE UNDER ONE FLAG?

Wake up guy, it will neva happen, selafis on one hand say Allahs Messenger Aley hee salaat o salaam is dead, when on the other hand all for madhabs say he is alive....

You are sooooo wrong.

[truthhurts81]

nobody can be more convincing than the 4 great imaams, are you nuts>?

Clearly you are not learned in this arena hence your wishful thinking, I can tell you now with confidence, the earlier generations were more trustworthy, more knowledgable, more hungry, more genuine, more dedicated, more intelligent, more motivated with bigger aspirations than any imaam alive today PERIOD,

so before you go on about your great vision, take their time and effort into consideration and show some gratitude!

[smartoez]

Either u do not have the capacity to understand my point or not trying. And keep on firing random shots. Listen what I am saying is, all four Imams were great Imams, they did a lot for Islam, they gave us interpretation of lot of hadith. Now my point is if we choose only one imam we choose to ignore the work sacrifice of the other. And as I have said imams were not infallible, and their interpretation were not revelation which could not be wrong. So we need to look at all 4 imams & not just one.

[truthhurts81]

actually I don't have the capacity to understand AS YOU HAVE NO POINT, ITS BASELESS.

I asked you a question before, so please answer it truthfully.

LOL.....THE FACT THAT YOU CAN SAY AND I QUOTE 'IF WE CHOOSE ONLY ONE IMAM WE CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE WORK SACRIFICE OF THE OTHER' SHOWS ME THAT YOU ARE NOT LEARNED IN THIS ARENA.

We look at all 4 Imaams and THEIR HARD WORK, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FIQH WE FOLLOW ONE METHOD THATS ALL,THAT DOESNT MEAN TURN A BLIND EYE TO THEIR WORK....

[smartoez]

so what i meant by looking at all 4 imams is, if I am hanefi and imam shafaye's interpretation of certain hadith is correct then I should take shafaye's interpretation and not stick to hanefi. Now problem is peoeple who stricly oblige to one madhab follow only one school of thought even when more accurate interpretations are available on certain matter from other school of thought. When people do that they are going aginst even hanafi thought which clearly says authentic hadith takes precedence.

[truthhurts81]

I was in the same predicament a few years back, now going back to your last post you said 'imaam shafa'i interpretation is correct....'

according to who is it correct? YOU might think it is but bob down the road feels that Hanafis understand is more weighty,what do you do in this situation? You follow what you think is right. You simply cant pick and choose otherwise your salaah will end up being a hybrid of all 4.lol

[smartoez]

You gave the example of salah and said it will become hybrid of all 4. Clearly you do not think before you say. Its not like all 4 has completely different salah. We all do sajdah, qayam, rukoo. There are small things like whether to recite surah fatiha or not, or whether to do rafaydain. As I have already said you present a picture which is far from truth. How will it become hybrid, will we stop doing sajdah, will we start praying while lying flat on the ground?

[truthhurts81]

SOME USEFUL WORDS FOR YOUR VOCAB

MUJHTAHID= Educational Scholar, can issue legal verdicts as IMPLIED BY HADITHS,we defer our own judgement to another person who is an EXPERT in this field

[truthhurts81]

MUQALLID= Follower of a particular School

TAQLEED= Following QUALIFIED SCHOLARSHIP, defined as accepting what another scholar says without knowing the legal evidence for what he says

[smartoez]

whats your point by defining those words???

[truthhurts81]

No other School has had CODIFICATION (MASS NARRATED) SPECIFICATION (CONDITIONS, QUALIFICATIONS) than the school of Haneefa, ask a Shafi'i he will tell you the same thing.

but all the others followed the rules of the Mujtahid,Muqallid and Taqleed out of respect and honour.

So of course they were open to interpretation once they achieved their qualifications and wasnt knocked for it also.

someone taught me this not very long ago

ISLAM = Uniform but it doesnt mean uniformity, we are not robots

[smartoez]

ISLAM = Uniform but it doesnt mean uniformity, we are not robots.. exactly that is what I have been saying. In Pakistan at least 130 million hanafi people are doing takleed, i.e blind following like robots, and they are not allowed to ask questions, and everyone who objects or has a different opinion is considered as wahabi or salafi. And after labeling them wahabi, in their books hanafi scholars curses them and even in one book the scholar of new town masjid called wahabis non-muslims.

[truthhurts81]

doing taqleed is not a bad thing, dont get it wrong, BUT TO SHUN THEM WHEN ASKING QUESTIONS IS BANG OUT OF ORDER. TO LABEL PEOPLE NON MUSLIMS IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO AS WHOEVER SAYS THE SHAHADAA IS A MUSLIM. OF COURSE SOME PEOPLE FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT THE HARSH COMMENTS OF THE TRU WAHAABIS HENCE THEIR RESPONSE BUT THERE IS A MORE PRODUCTIVE WAY TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE, BY WARNING THEM OF DELUDED SELAFI SUPER SHEIKHS LIKE THE ONE ABOVE.

[smartoez]

truthhurts81: "all the 4 great Imaams used more or less the same Ahadith" MORE OR LESS.. point proven in your own words, more or less but not exactly the same as they had different approach for collecting them and different standards of using them and they were in different regions.

truthhurts81: "Most of the Imaams study all trace back to Ibn Masood". Again word MOST, which means good proportion but not all. Imam malik's book has 1000 hadith, bukhari/muslim 7000 approx. Takleed misses 6000.

[truthhurts81]

yes the salaah is different, some people dont join the hands, some join their hands above the navel, some join their hands below the navel all because of their own interpretation, now to say that sajdah statement just goes to show your level of intellect and ability to reason.You might feel you agree with different interpretations and then you become a evolutionist.

of course sajdah/rukuh etc doesnt change.

seek refuge from the waswasa as you are being deluded, no comment on uniformity?>

[smartoez]

Brilliant my friend, you make me laugh only. How you first brag about studying with shyookhs and sayeds, then say I am having waswasa from shaitan as if you can see them. And how you think whatever you say is always right and everybody else is wrong. It just makes me laugh.

[truthhurts81]

first of all im not braggin, im stating a fact, what are you doin about the CLIMATE in HANAFEE PAKISTAN? atleast im aspiring to do something ;']

HERES YOUR ANSWER TO THE WASWASA 'MY FRIEND'

TO MOCK ALLAHS COMMAND OF PRAYING BY AND I QUOTE 'LYE ON THE GROUND AND PRAY?' TELLS ME 2THINGS, EITHER WASWASA OR YOUR NAFS,ITS A GREVIOUS THING TO SAY, YOU MIGHT THINK ITS A JOKE/FUN N GAMES BUT YOU ARE ALSO MOCKING THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN,AND A PURE SINCERE ACTION SO LIKE I SAID EARLIER WATCH YOUR TONGUE

[truthhurts81]

EVERYBODY else isnt wrong, but one guy above is wrong and one day I will prove him wrong,

dont take this personal smartoez, but I have seen your kind before, who make silly little remarks AND FORGET THE CONSEQUENCES. typical example is phillips above when he said 'the sahaabis did a grevious crime burying someone who is alive' WHERE IS YOUR ADHAB? YOU ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE? YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALLAHS HABEEB

THATS WHERE IT ENDS WITH YOU!!!

[smartoez]

you make a personal statement and ask me not to get personal... LOLz... anyways. we have differences in understanding which does not mean we have to fight over it as this argument is not constructive any more. so peace and take care. May Allah grant true understanding of Islam to us all.

[smartoez]

Regarding death of prophet (pbuh).. please watch this video... /watch?v=8rf0y61EB8k

[truthhurts81]

SMARTOEZ: Please stop sending me posts, especially with these videos of super selafi sheikhs, SERIOUSLY I DONT WATCH THEM AND I AVOID USAMAH, PHILLIPS ETC LIKE I AVOID A DISEASE!

PLEASE RESPECT MY VIEWS, I SAID EARLIER YOUR LAST POST FINISHED OUR SO CALLED DEBATE!

PEACE

[truthhurts81]

also he says that there is no room for interpretation and infact trying to negate the madhabs of the GREAT IMAAMS(may Allah bless their graves with noor)which is in fact going completely against Allahs will,There is a specific Hadith(BUKHARI/MUSLIM)when Salman Farsi(R.A)was present with Allahs Messenger(salaawaatullah wassalaamu aley)when he placed his hand on Salmans Chest and said that 'From your family will come a person who will bring Islaam back to the people, unanimously agreed as Haneefa!

[truthhurts81]

May Allah increase you with good knowledge and take away anything that is bad for you.

Phillips needs to take his own advice up for himself, he says and I quote ' a person may make a ruling based on what he thinks '

this is exactly what he does with regards to salawaat on Allahs Messenger ( salaawaatullah wassalaamu aley) saying its shirk, asking a sheikh for a dua is shirk? classed as tawwasil but he doesnt believe this? where is your evidence for this?

lol....nuff joke from this guy

[abdullah821]

@truthhurts81 I have just read this comment and although it is 2 years old and I hope that Allah has guided you since, but you have slandered Bilal Phillips by saying that he has said sending salawaat upon The Prophet (SAW) is shirk. By Allah you need to fear Allah before making such slanderous comments which would go against the Quran.

[MuslimGhost]

Jazak Allah Khairun

[GreenB1rd]

subhanallah. i dont think people realize how beneficial this sheykh's talk is.

May Allah guide us all and give us the best and higest of Jannah.

[Synce16]

Allahuakbar. I love how you say, if you try to arrive at a right conclusion you get one reward for the try. Indeed he is most mercyful.

[kad006]

JAZAKALLAH khalifahklothing , this is the truth!