Atheism Leads to Genocide - A.E. #584

[Steamsteam]

i always think the music at the start of these videos is like a satanic chant LOL

[699backstab]

Jen Peeples...hottie

[flatop59]

History of Communist,,,, atheistic system would explain your question!

[rpcarnell]

What's BJork doing in that video?

[andrewh817]

@crazyboyxx Statism is just another religion.

[baxtar1963]

How many people were murdered in the name of God and at the request of God? Millions by many religious leaders. There has to be a few atheistic murdering bastards as well so what none of it proves that a non belief in God causes these acts of violence.

[Serostern]

BOTH hitler and stalin believed the world was round!

This proves the earth is in fact FLAT!

Eat christian logic, bitches!

One or more 'bad' guys believing something or not does not change the truthfulness of said something.

[TheReeper757]

Stalin killing people in the name of the lack of god... totally

also what about the crusaders they *attempted* to kill many many people of a certain race ooh well Christianity and Christians wont learn oooh well

[antares074]

More people have been killed in the name of God than anything thing else in history.

[helpermethod]

@antares074 Did Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot kill tens of millions of people in the name of God?

[PhantomMarquis]

@helpermethod — Hitler most certainly did: "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

[gulbirk]

@crazyboyxx Anyone who blames comunism for north korea or stalins actions doesnt understand comunism.

[TheRipcity22]

Nice caller but he's an idiot.

[hempartist420]

even if Hitler wasn't a devout catholic he was heavily connected with paganist, occultist, and roman mythology. Hitler was by NO means an atheist.

even if Hitler was an atheist, there is no logical pathway from "I don't believe in God(s)" to " I think I should kill millions of people". Atheism leads to nothing, but skepticism and rational thinking leads to Atheism...

[perfectchronic]

all individuals are going to have their own beliefs no matter who tells them something is completely right. that is why religious belief is instable, but stable at the same time out of fear from peers and leaders, religion keeps people silent about their ideas, and only the powerful leaders get to change the script out of greed and being power-hungry, its very corrupt because people falsify it to their advantage, in the days of the three desert dogmas, the believers were illiterate.

[B360Lightning]

Most of the atheists I ever knew so far in my life were "cold".I guess I'm too warm and jolly. Romantics can't successfully be atheists. lol

[TomRaphaelWolf]

@B360Lightning We're more pragmatic. Flopping around emotional like a PMS'ing teen girl won't get shit solved. Woo for being apathetic!... nah. xD

[B360Lightning]

I believe that the cosmos has some sort of deep meaning therefore I also would have to believe in some form of diety. I do not think you need religion to have these thoughts, all you need is a mind that digs deep. While there are some worthy aspects of Nihilism. Nihilism and athiesm are for the most part garbage in my mind. Things like beauty, music, children & nature pull me torward a deity but when I think of athiesm I think of things like Hitler, the grotesque and so on. I'll take a deity

[B360Lightning]

Nihilism argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose or intrinsic value. Nihilism can also take epistemological, metaphysical or ontological forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible or that contrary to our belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such. The theory is that the rejection of all forms of thiesm would mean that you are some form of nihilist. Giving life meaning would mean that you would also have to give meaning to the cosmos.

[Remembermylai]

Yeah, Stalin was an atheist. The man who slowly cut off Nick berg's head was a theist. See how guilt by association works? Hitler believed in god too and I'm pretty certain the last thing Mohamed Atta yelled out was "God is great" before he hit the north tower. But I don't assume that all theists are hateful monsters that want to racially cleanse the world or collapse 1400 foot buildings. But I think they have no good reason to believe in this god crap.

[drfoxcourt]

The danger of religion is to accept things dogmatically. This is the same problem with totalitarian government. Atheism promotes skepticism (not accepting something as true without evidence).

Kim Jong Il's Korea is a great example of a living religion. Your only right is to worship his father, Everything Kim Il Sung said must be accepted as true and obeyed. There is no other leader before him.

[B360Lightning]

To me agnosticism is really the only safe haven for the human psyche. Athiesm is a naive and extreme rejection and organized religion in a strict sense is naive in the opposite way. though in my experience the god-fearing people are more wholesome and warmer human beings because they see something bigger than themselves out there and I see that too but in a slightly different sense. We are small in the universe but our minds can reach far.

[AholeAtheist]

@B360Lightning That's exactly why Agnostics are fence sitting morons who are almost as stupid as the believers.

Look, the only reason you are in any way open to theology is because you are AWARE of theology.

[B360Lightning]

@AholeAtheist Haa but true athiests sound just as dumb as true believers but less appealing. The idea of a creation is beautiful though The idea of nihilistic athiesm is repulsive. What is superior? Simply stated : People who see the mystery and sparkle that is existence are better, smarter creatures. For those who view life as just being meaningless, shitty and sad, I feel sorry. Take LSD and your view of life will change but one doesn't really need a drug, just a beautiful attitude.

[AholeAtheist]

@B360Lightning Firstly, "nihilistic" is a very obscure word. It has many definitions. Which exact one were you attempting to use? I feel most Atheists see the sparkle that is our existence better than most of these so called "better, smarter creatures" (lol) . They don't believe in Nihilism in the philisophical sense. And I have taken LSD. It made me more aware than ever that what we have is amazing and beautiful and not worth throwing away on any war of delusion.

[acme181169]

For atheism to be responsible for ANY behavior whatsoever it would require dogma and tenants which it does not. Clearly, history has shown that theists and atheists are capable of atrocity and one of the things they have in common is they are human.

[CorpsmanUP87]

too bad Stalin's religious upbringing didn't prevent him from being a mass murderer

[gunblade64]

...You know?

[Ramshobraja]

Then there was the imperialism and slavery commited by christian nations.

[bfgray]

Stalin killed anyone whom had some fire in their eyes, even arident supporters of his, he exterminated anyone who might have Potential to threaten him. Not so diff from big religion in that he was insecure about his system and amoral and paranoid enough to enforce thru mass murder.

[kalyoub]

ever heard of the crusades

[wirikuta14]

for those who say "Stalin was an atheist, that`s why he commited atrocities", I`d just like to remind you of catholic tyrants like Franco and Pinochet, hughly religious murderers.

[TinyArts]

If we humans in the future move to other planets, is there a heaven and a hell on all the other planets? or will it suddenly start to excist on that new planet because we moved there or will we be transported to the old heaven and hell that were on earth? if earth was blown apart would heaven and hell still excist like some floating thing in space or is the whole thing only something that excists in our own little brains.. hmm i need some help with these questions.

[xaviergyrl06]

The caller is not even sure about what he believes. He flips flop back and forth. WTF?

[Kailoa36]

Where does the caller get his notion that Jesus reiterates the 10 commandments in the verses following Matt. 5:17. I just checked. According to those verses Jesus gives various examples of "The Law" and his interpretations. Some of the examples are found in the 10 commandments, some aren't. I know of no place anywhere in the NT where the whole 10 commandments are restated or even summarized.

[TheJesusSucks]

This caller had no idea what he was saying.

[IrelandRaven]

This is BS, the IRA were socialists, and in the early days they were Marxist, and they werem ostly catholic, but with many protestant and atheist members.

[brickan2]

Saying atheism leads to communism is the biggest bull. The reason why communists didn't like religion is because (SURPRISE!) They didn't want to share power. With religion as a power, the state would never be able to get absolute power. Isn't this obvious to every human being?

[Acrimonator]

And now it's used to make atheists look even worst... BTW, communism hasn't even been really tried anywhere in the world...

[tristramshandy3]

Communism hasn't been tried anywhere in the industrial world- but before industrialization, many tribes lived essentially communistic existences for thousands of years.

[Acrimonator]

Yup, that's what i meant, sorry if i was unclear...

[infectingthecrypts]

lol, That's pretty much all it is. A small society working and sharing is in essence communism. These people who try to paint communism as if it is a gift from Satan and say Obama is a commie for trying to help poor people with rich people's money are just appealing to people's greed. Oh no, you may not get to have that 3rd PS3 if Obama has his way!

[infectingthecrypts]

(clarifying) Not that I think Obama is a closet communist or anything, but that's basically what they're saying. You won't be able to live like a fucking king if you help the poor with social programs and such, therefore it must be horrible.

[1RadicalOne]

The main problem with the communism that has been tried is that it has always been tied to dictatorship - a MAJOR problem.

[tristramshandy3]

@1RadicalOne and the main problem with capitalism is that the supposed check on markets, the consumers, are hopelessly ignorant and unable to perform their function.

[1RadicalOne]

Exactly.

[Kille24sthlm]

@brickan2

I totally agree with you.

and besides that; No matter how atheists behave, because of atheism or not, it doesn't make religion more true. Even if all atheists were murderers it wouldn't.

See you in hell

RAmen

[Drucef]

Obviously religion leads to communism....not atheism. Whoever said that needs to get a shovel to the head. That is such weak logic.

[dinavienna]

So check out socialist atheism, or not.

You cannot talk it away.

And for an atheist it should actually not be a problem. Atheism does not in itself claim moral superiority. It defends against alleged moral superiority. And it defends against control by that "superior" and "universal" body.

The problem is once atheism by state doctrine becomes the "universal" way to do things it is not much better. Not a big deal though. Atheism isn't an omnipotent omniscient God.

[cheburashka1326]

Ah - now we are getting somewhere. Atheism as a state doctrine is just a stupid idea - you cannot possibly make people (not)believe in something. But that not to be mixed with a secular state - state where people choose not to involve somebody's believe or non-believe in the matters of the state. I for one do not want to see "In NO god we trust" on US currency - that would be a lie, but I would not mind removal of God from there, since it is a lie 16% of US population does not "trust GOD".

[MrBugbear]

i think we should simply have god not matter w/ government affairs whatsoever

[DemokritosAbdera]

the christian communist movement, that de-facto rejects the notion that atheism = communism or vice versa.

[dinavienna]

which Christian communist movement?

Socialism and marxism have major atheist/anti-religious undertones ("opium for the people" - what is opium? taking away the pain of your existence, yet it is numbing, taking away your intellectual strength. Marx had a point with this metaphor IMO)

[DemokritosAbdera]

liberation theology ...

[dinavienna]

right.

I once was told by a Catholic theology professor in very early Christian scripts they had a communism similar ideology (dividing property amongst the poor, sharing, taking from the powerful).

I'm not quite convinced by it for religions normally go with the powerful and help preserve their domination over the ordinary people (inter alia by discouraging these people from rebelling against unjust status quo through the promise of paradise after suffering in this life).

[dinavienna]

Back to liberation theology:

As much as it has the "class combat" and proletarian/farmer liberation thought, it clearly is not an atheist movement, but a very doctrinal Christian one. Justifying fight against unjust and oppressive leaders with the essence of Jesus' teachings though.

They have nothing in common with socialism apart for the liberation of the masses. That is a huge part of socialism, but there are many others particularly Marxist thoughts on religion they clearly don't share.

[DemokritosAbdera]

Leonardo Boff, one of the liberation theology proponets adopted dialectic materiallism in his discourse for communism, but he just eliminated the parts where Marx concluded that religion by its own nature give support to oppresion and replaced it with some biblical quotes.

Atheism is not structural to marxism, its just consequential from the historical reading of Marx. I would be delighted to see wich dogma or sacred book in atheism make oneself a communist.

[dinavienna]

"Religionskritik" is pretty central to Marx (early) thinking. Atheism and "dogma" or "sacred book" is a contradiction in itself (unless atheism becomes institutionalized). Not every atheist is a communist or socialist. But to be a fervent socialist or communist it would be hard to not be atheist or at least religion-critical mind.

States with state atheism in their constitution were all socialist regimes so far (f.i. Albania).

The connection is there, as little as some US atheists seem to likeit

[DemokritosAbdera]

fist, im not from the US, im from colombia where the theology of libeartion was invented.

second, that every communist or socialist needs to be an atheist has already been shown wrong

third, the central part of the Marx ideology is the class struggle, religion is just a subject in a way the sense that their structure and ideology enforce the subjugation of the proletarian class. If you dont agree you might want to read Das Kapital again.

[dinavienna]

By the way the wish to not be associated with misguided socialist atheists is understandable.

For you it means something else and you feel you are not in their group at all.

To be fair, the same thing applies to many Muslims, Christians, Jews etc who feel the same.

You may be interested in news stories of Albanian secret service files recently opened. Albania was "state atheist" by Const. The files read pretty scarily: "individuals practice religion at home.. need to be stopped".

[cheburashka1326]

There is huge difference between me and any religious person - I have no rules to follow. They on another hand have set of rules and books that claim inferiority of people who do not believe as they do. Some of them choose not to take rules seriously, or as they call it literally, but all the same they follow a dogma with set of barbaric rules. Albania communists were motivated by .. you guessed it Marxism dogma.

[dinavienna]

But most people will agree a person that is prevented to exercise their freedom of religion will easily engage in action against the state - for being oppressed in their wish to practice religion. that is no different than the oppression of people wanting to write or publish or engage in whatever other activity they should be legitimately engaging in upon their wish.

[cheburashka1326]

I have nothing on this point - freedom of religion is most valuable part of US constitution in my opinion,

[dinavienna]

And just to get the matter straight:

I have moved closer to atheism than to the religion I was brought up with. I would not go so far to say I AM atheist, but I have respect for it.

And to me the clearer, more rational view on the world atheism brings (as opposed to institutionalized religion) with it the ability to accept flaws of individual atheistically tainted movements. And their crimes. Practical socialism is irreconcilable with most human rights, and not much better than religions.

[cheburashka1326]

There is no such thing as crimes of atheism. Atheist can be pro-communism, anticommunist, pro-fascism, antifascism etc. Atheist can be humanitarian as well as he/she can be a serial killer.

[dinavienna]

Exactly. And the atheist turned serial killer is not an atheist killer by person, just as the Muslim or Christian killer is per se Muslim or Christian? And the serial killer who kills religious persons for their beliefs would not be an atheist killer by conviction just as extremist terrorists kill for their faith?

[dinavienna]

You act like a religious person I must say, not acknowledging crimes of their ideology. The fact that atheist ideologies persecute religious practicioners (which undoubtedly happened in the Soviet Union, and today happens in the People's Republic of China) does not render atheism any worse than religions. Since in today's world it is about self fulfillment and individual freedom, it is better because it tends to respect everybody's freedom.

[cheburashka1326]

You act like an ignorant person (I struggle to find a softer description). Atheism does not have an ideology, it simply cannot have it based on one simple conviction "there is no god". I despise communist dogma, there is no way in hell I'll accept responsibility for anything that near religious cult have done.

[dinavienna]

It is a near religious cult. But just like the religions have to take responsibility for much of the crimes they commit against freedom of religion and other fundamental rights, socialism (reality socialism you call it here, or Soviet socialism, as opposed to Marx' socialism) is to blame in its atheist ideological doctrine for the surveillance, incarceration and sometimes conviction to coerced labour camps for their religiosity. Of course having a rosary at home will not have got you convicted.

[cheburashka1326]

I am sorry but you are doing it again- atheism does not have dogma or tenets. Atheism ideological doctrine is almost an oxymoron. I would like to emphasize that, again, it was communist doctrine.

[benniquaid]

Isn't that the famed Westboro Baptist Church singing in the beginning? If it is, I'm surprised they didn't mention "Fags" or something. Maybe it's in a part of the song that didn't play

[Hjernespreng]

Yes, it is them playing.

I'm surprised that they didn't call Santa a fag.

[StormbringerRuler]

"Stalin had whole camps set aside to confine and persecute the underground religious movement."

Yulie's right. Don't even go there pal. Don't link Stalin and his actions to atheism cause if we start doing that, i think we both know that i can find MANY more theists with much worse actions and ideologies, than atheists..

I only need to start with a few popes and members of the catholic church and i've proved my point.

[cheburashka1326]

Actually lets go there. Where did Stalin had those specialized camps? Reference would be nice. I am very interested in this period of history and this is the first time I hear that GULAG camps were specialized. Second question here would be what does it mean " underground religious movement" ? Some examples would be nice. Orthodox Christianity was defiantly not encouraged, but underground, really? People who blame atheism for Stalin, usually have no clue about him.

[dinavienna]

The sermon at the occasion of Orthodox Christmas service with the Nazis at the gates of Moscow read like an ideological statement rather than a religious one (asking higher powers to help„the proud nation defeat the fascist Swastika).

Solidarnosc was a heavily religiously tainted workers liberation movement (liberation from Soviet socialism). There is no doubt Soviet socialism was and Chinese socialism today is harsh on followers of religious faiths and cults

[cheburashka1326]

When it comes to the church of any kind it is almost always ideological statement as far as I understand, at least when it comes to praying before the fight. Solidarnost was Polish nationalistic , union based organization, many people in that organization were atheists, bad example.

[dinavienna]

Religion is ideology or idolatry if you wish.

Part of their ideology to put the Divine highest. To SUBMIT to the divine. That sermon was strongly Stalinist/anti Nazi. Had it been Orthodox Christian it would have asked for Gods MERCY, and affirmed the people bow to the Creator's will whatever comes.

And: Solidarnosc had the strongest possible Catholic undertones. Being Catholic and Polish goes hand in hand in their opposition to Orthodox Russia, Protestant Germany/Prussia in the past.

[dinavienna]

They are countering not only socialist ideology, but form a threat for they most often do not fear death in overthrowing „infidel governments. Not right by any measure of humanism. Freedom of faith is a right.

So in a sense integrity amongst atheists IMO demands facing Soviet socialism DID commit crimes out of the doctrine of state atheism. It did cause them to commit crimes.

But there is still WAY worse in "theist" persecution/genocide of nonbelievers throughout history! LOL

[cheburashka1326]

You got it right in the heart. The only problem is that you interchanging definitions and for some reason call russian communists socialists. Soviet communists government did commit unbelievably cruel genocidal crimes in the name of communist dogma. "Infidel governments" is the perfect understanding of the situation if you mean "non-communist". What I challenged and you still fail to show that it was atheism that of soviet government that caused it.

[dinavienna]

"Communist" is not what the USSR called itself (standing for Sovietskaya Sotsialisticheskaya Republika, I dont know the correct transliteration to English, spelling from how you spell it in Russian).

Also if you are interested in Soviet documents, they ALWAYS claimed to realize the Socialist idea, not limited to whatever "communism" others saw in it.

Insofar it is absolutely justified to call Soviet ideology "socialist". (that is why most European Socialists changed their names, btw)

[cheburashka1326]

As I said many people who claim things about Stalin or USSR have very little knowledge on the subject. In communist view , at least the russian brunch, socialism is a transitional state between capitalism and communism, that is why word socialist appeared in the name. What they claimed, if you are interested, that they reached the first stage on the way to "heaven on earth" they desired. There was no such thing as socialist party in communist russia, since 1920th.

[dinavienna]

Ya.

Yes, socialism was atheist. Nazism was partly atheist, partly Catholicism rooted (concerning the individual actors, not ideology itself - Hitler himself from his Austrian heritage declared himself a "Christenmensch" in early years repeatedly).

But let's not forget the hundreds of thousands of genocides committed over religious differences, from religious terrorism of our time over the crusades to bloody persecution of the "other", be it polytheists or other "non-believers".

[cheburashka1326]

There were also many bold people in russian government, do you blame them as the group for the authorities?

[dinavienna]

Bold in the sense of having no hair?

Had socialism elevated boldness to a state doctrine, and gone after people with long hair, and had it been a faith or world view (which atheism is in the human rights regime) that state ideology and party incorporated, yes then I would blame the world view of the superiority of boldness.

[dinavienna]

Well I have no knowledge of separate Gulags for religious resistance. Stalin seized church services in his early reign as a clear indication of his ideology to „end religion and religious practice. When the German Wehrmacht approached Moscow, Stalin allowed church service. He and the party saw desperation was spiralling out of control. Russians are very spiritual people throughout their history, so they thought all the help they could get to lift faith in Russian defence would help.

[cheburashka1326]

I think you are wrong. If I understood you correctly you imply that until WWII there were no religious services in communist Russia. It is simply not true, multiple churches were functioning through out Russia. In fact all 4 lavras (holy monastery in russian orthodox church) were functioning. The reason I brought the original question is that many people claim atheism was the factor, it was not, communism as a dogma was, there is plenty of evidence for both.

[dinavienna]

Stalin seized church services in the late 1930s.

He exceptionally allowed church service when "Hannibal was ante portas"; or Hitler in that case. That sermon is available in video footage for national TV/propaganda. It was an exceptional service.

Later that ban was not upheld.

Many things changed with Stalin's death anyway. Stalinism cannot be equated with socialism anyway.

But undoubtedly Stalin's banning of church service found its root in socialist critique of religion as an institution.

[cheburashka1326]

That is not a fact, since as I pointed out churches were open and functioning.

[dinavienna]

They were not. Check your sources for Christmas service 1943 I believe. Better do so before people who've SEEN that service on TV ignorant.

And something can only be sensationally reopened that has been shut down previously.

[dantheman513]

he is the only intelligent person to ever call in on this show

[kyokumajr]

Well you can try calling next time, so there would be more.

There will be a show this Sunday. I have a link to their site in the video description, so if you're interested check it out.

[ericopey]

@dantheman513 I really don't think this guy was all that smart either.

[dantheman513]

@ericopey

that's the point haha

[bla34112]

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santa is to blame you for the economies fate

[kyokumajr]

With all those gift he is supposed to give out, I'm pretty sure he is at fault.

[Andraste77]

Some of these callers need to write down what they're going to say before they call. It's tough to listen to some of these rambles.

[switchflip180]

their atheism DID make Stalin, Hitler, and Moa fuck everything up

they hated religion

[kyokumajr]

Did you even bother to look into those cases before claim to be so?

[frotwenty]

apparently not.

[switchflip180]

yeah I did, did you?

[kyokumajr]

& how did you come to that conclusion?

For instance: ""I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work" - Hitler.

He based most of his anti-semitism on Xianity + was inspired by Martin Luther.

Furthermore, promoted religious indoctrination, oops, I meant teaching in schools. & so on.

What support do you have to claim he was an atheist or his philosophy was?

[switchflip180]

Buddy, In the German public schools, Hitler replaced "the Lords Prayer" with the prayer to Hitler. He hated anything religious. There was no "indoctrination" as you call it. Stalin had whole camps set aside to confine and persecute the underground religious movement. Moa was was extremely opposed to anything religious, thanks to his intolerant ideas, religion is very hard to practice in China.

[kyokumajr]

Your sources for Hitler? Those are just a bunch of claims.

I have his quotes & other actions/events recorded that clearly show he was against seculiarism; furthemore, he was sending atheists of to camps. Even THE SOULDERS' BELT BUCKLES SAID "Gott mit uns", which meant "God is with us". How is that atheistic at all?

Yes, many political/religious groups were got rid of, but in order to create unity & to destroy all that opposed Hitler's goals.

[switchflip180]

yes, and what was Hitler's goal? to be God in itself. To conquer, to be all powerful.

Atheists were not being sent to the camps. Jews, Poles and Catholics were.

Also just because the soldier's buckles had that quote does not mean that Hitler authorized them.

My recently deseaced friend escaped the clutches of Hitler in the 1940s and later the evils of God-Less communists in Eastern Europe. I believe him rather than the liberaly biased, Anti-God misgivings.

[switchflip180]

deceased*

[kyokumajr]

"yes, and what was Hitler's goal? to be God in itself. To conquer, to be all powerful."

& he justified that how? Through the use of scripture. That's the goal of every freakin tyrant.

I still fail to see how you came to the conclusion that shows his atheism.

Wait? When did he sent catholics to camps?

All through his crap he was supported by the Catholic Church; only later they started to denounce him. How did he judtify killing the Jews, if he didn't believe in the Jessu they killed?

[bobbypatz]

@kyokumajr hitler was christian

[helpermethod]

@bobbypatz No he wasn't. He believed in genetics and Darwinism which have nothing in common with Christianity.

[MrSouthey]

@helpermethod He believed in twisted concepts of both and he encouraged religion in Germany to keep a gullible public. Hitler believed in genetics in much the same way that any hardcore Christian believes only in certain parts of the bible. Darwinism - the concept of evolution and movements that hold to it can't possibly conceive of Hitler's idea of genetics because he was essentially inbreeding. A lack of diversity in a gene pool is detrimental to the adaptation and survival of the species.

[WarmongerWW3]

@MrSouthey Scientific ideas are subject to change. At that time, eugenics was supported by the scientific community.

[MrSouthey]

@WarmongerWW3 You're correct, they do. Eugenics was considered a scientific discipline and government policy across the world including countries as different as Sweden and the USA for example. It was long on the wane going into the '30s often looking pseudo-scientific. But even then the Nazi implementation of this idea stood apart and twisted the already nasty discipline.

Religion is also subject to change. Otherwise, why would there be different denominations of Christianity? Food for thought.

[WarmongerWW3]

@MrSouthey "You're correct, they do."

Finally.

The rest of your post is Straw Man fallacy, especially this part:"Religion is also subject to change. Otherwise, why would there be different denominations of Christianity? Food for thought." I am an atheist, btw.



[MrSouthey]

@WarmongerWW3 Seriously did you just straw man fallacy me by calling what I said a straw man fallacy? Trolling is 6/10 for effort. If you'd read past a full stop you'd have seen I didn't misrepresent your position but that your facts don't fit the timing. As for "finally": Two comments doesn't make a huge amount of time. I'll show respect because you haven't gone ad hominem on me, I genuinely think you're either mistaken or misinformed on the time line of events but come on...

[MrSouthey]

@WarmongerWW3 As for the atheism, my bad that was a faulty assumption on my part. I usually get that kind of analysis on what scientific thinking is at the time and how changeable it is from the hardcore faithful that take their cues from their religious leader rather than their scripture. Genuinely sorry about that.

[YulieAna]

"Also just because the soldier's buckles had that quote does not mean that Hitler authorized them."

Have you read his book? He says all over it that he is doing god's work.

"theists were not being sent to the camps. Jews, Poles and Catholics were."

Everyone was sent to camps who was not a member of the Aryan race. You don't know wtf you are talking about.

[ebaykid1978]

@switchflip180 Saddam Hussein was a Sunni Muslim, The Crusades were carried out in the name of Christianity, the 9/11 hijackers were devout, godly people. Say what you want about atheism, atheists don't kill people for simply having a religious belief. Educate yourself.

[YulieAna]

"Stalin had whole camps set aside to confine and persecute the underground religious movement."

Along with everyone else who was not under his boot. Stalin wasn't bad because of atheism, he was bad because of his personal ideologies. Atheism does not promote hate and genocide.

[lardcarcass]

This assertion is just tired and idiotic. They used atheism more as a tactic to focus control into one area. The government. They weren't noble examples of atheists, they were power mongers throwing everything they could into the mix. Stop thinking you've got a point long enough to get the point others have been making for a long time.

[TKMSeznam12]

Because they hated religion does not mean they were Atheist. It's a faulty syllogism. Lack of religion does not equal Atheism. Lack of religion (in Stalin and Hitler's case) is because it was replaced with something far more sinister - an image of themselves as Gods. They considered their own doctrines as religions, that's why they hated Christianity, Judaism, etc.

[imnoromeo]

What you say is true, but you also need to keep in mind that Hitler cannot be used in this example., since he was a devote Roman Catholic. He did start going crazy later on in the war but you need to remember that by the time he started into his warped, self-godhood faith he was being given a daily dose of meth and other intense drugs by his personal doctor under the direct orders of Heinrich Himmler, the Reich Fuher SS. So there's a good reason Hitler was insane, Himmler had fried his brain.

[a68rebel]

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[waltermh111]

The question is, are they really doing it because they believe gods dont exist or because they dont want opposition to a power they are trying to claim.

I think it was stalin who persecuted the local religion until he found he could use it, then he freed the religious people. He didnt persecute because he disbelieved, he did so because it was a way to a goal.

Atheists tend to be thinkers and prefer education.

[waltermh111]

What this male host is saying is that atheism can be used to promote a violent act against another.

But since atheism isnt an organised belief that is hard to prove.

You can claim that maybe a person would persecute a religion because they think the religion is fake and bad for society.

Its not impossible to think that a person could think a godless society is the best society so go on a killing spree or even simply try to ban all religions.