Country Club Road near Sandhill Structure Fire 4/22/09

[FFEMTCrowe]

not when them flames are fully envolved you need to surround and drown use that fog nozzle along with a master stream of another truck u use a vindicator you gonna suck all the water out in 20 sec

[2007muggs]

Limited manpower, limited water supply I'm sure......damn nice job. I do agree with bugguy905 that first line should have been directed toward the truck and cars but hell, it's easy for me to say because I wasn't there. I, too, used blitz attacks on almost every working fire. But I had the equipment to do it with. Prepiped deck guns are great. Stay safe gang.

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[MIKCURIE]

Nice job with limited immediete resources

[resqjason2]

take that fog nozzle and throw it in the dumpster next to the building. put a good smoothbore or a vindicator on there and redline the shit out of that 1 3/4. sit on it in the front yard for a couple minutes and knock that mother F-er down. then dial it back to a normal PSI and mop up whats left. that fog nozzle is just piss in the wind

[originalcripler]

Everybody saying 2-1/2 inch but it sometimes depends on man power and rural areas it's harder.

[ffjsb]

@originalcripler No it's not. On that fire 1 firefighter could've laid out the 2 1/2, looped it at the end with the end going under itself and the firefighter could sit there all day and throw water. That's a basic firefighting techinique. Or put a BlitzFire appliance on the end.

[Fire28Medic]

Nice work guys, that looks like a good burn.. I'm jealous

[SpprtAssoc]

Big fire means big water. But it looked like a limited crew, gotta work with ya got. Pretty good hit with only two small lines. Good job guys! Stay safe!

[PoppaBlue59]

I've been on the job for 24 years now, and it still astounds me, the amount of water that a fire like this soaks up! Good job, guys! Remember this; as long as we all go home in the morning, we did our job well. Take care...stay low!

[bugguy905]

well that would be the first fd that I knwo of that does not use a 2 1/2 and I also would fight the fire closer to the cars and truck and hit it with a deck gun for about 10 secounds till the fire drops down.... great job but I would have it it with bigger water and class a foam

[ffhaynes]

damn no 2 1/2 inch nice job! way to kick ass!

[joshscottharkey]

i didnt see a hydrant so i asumme yall used a drop tank but i wouldof drove a tanker from a 2nd alarm around to the side and used deck gun lol

[470wpfd]

maybe there trucks are not set-up with 2 1/2 inch hoses since they use tankers-tenders for a water supply so they only equip themselves with what they have water for (im not trying to start a fight this is just my thoughts)

[jkalscheur]

The problem with pulling a 2 1/2 or a blitzfire is they are using tank water and at 350 gallons a min you would burn thru that in a hurry.  Then you would be sitting there waiting for a Tanker-Tender.

[bugguy905]

@jkalscheur I do blitzs alot you use 1/2 of your tank and then the rest you use the smaller hose trust me you hit this fire with a blitz attack you will stop about 2/3 of the fire oh and add class a foam you use less then 500 gallons of water

[ffjsb]

@jkalscheur GPM's put out the fire. That's the point, you have to put enough water on the fire to overcome the BTU's. 1,000 gallons of water now will put a large dent in the fire. It may not put it out completely, but it will do a lot to control it.

[ffemt6113]

blitzfire would of done a great job on this fire

[soadisawesome24]

2 1/2 line would have been good, but the line they were using seems to have done the trick...they should have also had a line on the backside to protect the woodline exposure tho, just in case somethin was to spread, and the cars

[co19ff]

@soadisawesome24 Im not sure if what they used did the trick as much as the fire just burned through all its fuel.. cause there wasn't much of the building left in the end. 2-1/2 at least should have been used, if not setting up a deck gun. Just my $.02.... stay safe.

[captain39180]

good job...good tacts...lets see using 2.5 hose uses to much water when you don't have a steady supply, using smooth bore doesn't break up the water stream to make steam that helps put the fire out and is used mainly for distance to keep water stream tight .if you notice when he went fog/wide stream that the fire went black and went back into building if he had kept that stream and moved the nozzle in a circle it would've push the fire even further into the building and putting out with stream.

[gekkothegreat1]

Great job. I not arm chair quarterbacking your attack but standard attack hose just won't get the rapid knock down you need at a call like this. We attack a fire like that with our 2 1/2 " TFT blitz fire. We put it on auto and a crew covers it with a 1 3/4 " . We advance it ASAP or we leave it depending on safety. We have other engines bring the water. Try it boys, it works. Big fire big water.

[ccvfd10511]

great knock down guys good job keep up the good work

[johndeereboy181]

very good video! nice job of pullin them cross lays off the truck and gettin a quick suppression!!

[UtahMike41]

I'm not a firefighter but it seems to me that since the end goal is to extinguish the flames, whatever way works is the right way.

So you should have used a smooth bore nozzle. Or maybe a 2 inch line would be used instead of a 1 1/2 inch line. To me that is immaterial. Getting the fire out is what is the most imprtant. How you get there isn't.

Not knocking the firefighters. I'm just making an observation. Thanks!

[Firebrother343]

Good job but a smooth bore nozzle would have made life a lot easier.

[sjb269]

Ill tell you what...form what I saw, Good knock down. Yea maybe a 2 1/2 was called for, but they did a hell of a job staying with it.

[mathiastheok]

1:13...when those supports start falling down id be thinking of where that roof is gonna land when it comes down.....glad to see the nozzleman didn't advance any further..

[DTMRM8]

The only saving grace is the fact that it was not a bearing wall. The roof always slopes toward the bearing walls so in this case those supports were only to hold the drywall.

[mathiastheok]

@DTMRM8 Your exactly right and technically right... but perhaps our engine crew is a bit more 'paranoid" as we don't trust the beast...we "see" its the non load bearing walls collapsing but I don't trust the potential spread of the fire to support truss beams.. Murphy"s law if you will..

[93CFD]

great play and it looks you got the job done...with limited water supply...

[Hrledood911]

Good fire! Fast work by the FF's. I kind of agree with GOTANK, might have wanted to stay back a little further in case of collapse.

[gotgank]

My only thought...can anyone say "colapse zone"? obviously the fire has been going for awhile. those guys were a bit too close for that advanced a fire in a wooden structure.

[arsninvestigator]

What State is this in?

[7089540230]

Excellent Video & Knockdown!!!!!

[rvpKellz]

That was a fully involved structure upon arrival.

[chakie14]

WOW! That structure is a bad one.

[bigredchevytruck]

Wow, that is an excellent shot of the fire! Most of the time the camera is a lot farther away and it's hard to see what's going on.

[madhatterxmalyce]

from the looks of it with the cars there looks like there was people there... how can they just let a fire spread and get that big? and esp wait so long to call the fire dept, once they were on scene, the building was already totaled...

[hurricaneshaine]

i was there and after it was over the building was totaled!!

[FEFDExplorer47]

They Should Have Dropped 2 2 1/2 lines and a blitz fire, though they did have a great knockdown!

[owenscott72]

I wpuld like to have seen a 2 1/2 to start off with. Big fire needs big water.

[OnTheJob81]

Outstanding knockdown, with minimal manning too !

[FirefighterMythBustr]

2 1/2" is the line of choice here. No progress was being made with the 1 3/4" line.

Regardless of the line pulled, the building was not going to be saved, but it certainly looks much more professional to knock down the fire when water is applied instead of having the stream vaporized.

[yehyehsoilwell]

oooo this is a great video!

[secjbryant]

Excellent video. No saving that building.