I am there man, come find me. My name is Bring it On I am pretty good, but not the best online. I am top tier though. There are a handful of better people than me on there. I just play for fun.
I dont know street fighter game, and you probably dont know DotA, where is more than 120 heroes. BUT what i learn from your video's, its so help full, and I understand how it can help in ANY game, no matter how much choices, or counters are in game, you can own with something if u are aggressive and complete your plan before he even imagine his plan.
@laakuma Ohh, nice! So you understand that DotA mechanics are more complicate, and only pro's have it all in their head. And it's a bit different in that way there is 4 teammates, you cant only go there with your hero doing your skill combo and own everybody, with confidence. + There are some games where your teammates just overfeed enemy, its hard to win those games alone.
But, you really helped me with that video about keeping pressure on enemy's.
@laakuma sry but oh my god lol,what is Bogota. American World Knowledge at its Best,they only know they own Country. YEAU AMERICA.. wut is Bogota omg.
Don't be another net turd without a soul. Could most people use some more knowledge? Obviously.. but lets not pretend like u are familier with every city/country. In fact.. lets not pretend at all and just say that your the same old troll all over again.
@Netburner23 I don't play SSF4 yet, so I don't know, but I have theory for you. To learn the game and get comfortable, play a defensive character, where they always have to come to you. Its less work, and youll move up the curve faster. Guile is a good choice.
@laakuma yeah i guess i can do that, i'm not much a charge guy. I tried out ken for a little bit. But is it merely a preference thing when it comes to characters?
I have no idea how anyone can dislike this video. It is full of information and covers aspects of the game other top players rarely talk about, unless you are in their personal circle of friends, perhaps. Thanks for the insight, Jeff.
What you say in this video, even in these comments, is just amazing.
I'm a ranked Super Smash Bros. Brawl player. It doesn't make much sense, but my opponent's name and status is always in the back of my head, distracting me.
I'm gonna make a list of all the counters, and forget about "common tendencies". I was both being lazy and overgeneralizing game play by not doing this.
Thanks, man. Where can I have access to more of your work?
@TeeKayDee I am just a guy looking for a JOB in North Texas. This is all my work, I have a lot of titles from the past, now all I have is friendly advice from all the lessons I have learned.
You really helped me challenge myself to see what I can and can't do but I have to ask can you win with any character against anyone if you know what your doing? because I tried to use the top characters to win but I can't. I have to have some kind of connection with the character or relate to them for various reasons like their look/story/moveset/play style. I also want to go to tournaments but don't want to waste my time if the character isn't good enough. Any advice would be appreciated.
@DUMBLUCKO7 Learn 3, and make sure they are all top tier or high tier and mak sure they they are HARD counterpicks vs other top tier characters. Thats how you do it.
Jeff, Im clear and understand why youtubing isnt the best way to learn how to play strategically. However, whats your take on looking through forums in order to learn X and Y counters? Im guessing you still have to test it out in battle any way right? Thanks in advance.
I don't know if you read these little notes, Jeff... But I have Duchenne's Muscular Dystrophy and I've been playing Street Fighter II since it came out. I've never thought about what I was doing this entire time. I use Street Fighter to fight my terminal disease to stay strong. You've really helped me with this information. I just want to say thank you. Thank you, man.
@andystokes304 Of course I read them, its an honor to have so many friends. Alot of people don't even have more than 1 friend. Its an honor to help people, and I treat it as such. I will put in some more work to help my friends here in the near future. Thank you for your kind words. You are very kind
I find it hard with games today to always be in absolute control of a match too many options come forth from super meters that can take you out of your game plan. I think that games today want you to go for a mix ups and guess to win rather than being in full control the match trapping people with well executed spacing and zoning. It like just fish for knock downs and pray you hit them with your trump card its really too bad that its like that today.
@laakuma But you say in this video that it is very important to know every counter with every character against every character in every situation. If you know all of that, doesn't that mean you know every matchup with every character? So why do you need to counterpick at all? Wouldn't that be more like a "crutch" as you might say?
I don't mean to imply counterpicking isn't acceptable, because it is, I'm just trying to understand where you stand.
@Makingnewnamesisdumb Because certain characters have HUGE advantages over others, even if you know all the counters. Because the counters are too difficult...this is why there are tiers of characters...god tier, good, average, and bad....because the bad's counters are too hard, or too low priority.
@laakuma The Japanese players seem to do extremely well focusing on one character, though, just by studying the match ups and getting as much experience as possible with them. Players like Muteki play one character almost exclusively and play that character's worst match ups like they are evenly matched every time. In other games players like Mike Z focus entirely on some of the WORST characters in those games and still place top 8 because they are so knowledgeable and have great execution.
Excellent post Jeff, thank you. For clarification: you suggest that me and my friend go to trianing with our mains and learn every attack at each range (aka footsies), for say like an 30 minutes to an hour and then fight each other using the knowledge we just learned?
Also, what if the friend I am playing just mains one character? Should we pick up other characters for the sack of learning to counter them?
Forgive me if this not clear, I just got off of work and kind of tired. Thanks.
you mentioned Daigo a lot. it would be really interseting to hear your thoughts on how you whooped him in SF2 even though you were on a 10 year break. not hating the guy, just really curious. how do you think he would do if he played Tomo while they're both in their prime lol
@Chaldean4life91 I think Daigo would have been top 5 for sure back then, its hard to explain Tomo. He was on another level. Tomo can beat me 100-0, without exaggeration. And you saw me play Daigo. Tomo is ridiculous, its not human.
tbh i used to be a Daigo fanboy (after his 3rd strike parry), and i used to believe this guy could never lose to anyone even in SF2 EXCEPT Tomo. no matter how much i respected Daigo, there was no way in hell my bias towards Daigo would allow me to think hes better than Tomo. if you ever meet Tomo, please tell him to show us one match of him lol. ive searched for years and cant find anything. your lucky you had a chance to meet him, and play with him
@laakuma yeah but mike did a lot better than you did against tomo, despite him being lower in the world's finest ranking table. maybe you just had a mental block when playing tomo? (which is ironic given the content of this video)
@theycallmejpj Mike played a better counter character than me, Sagat/Blanka/Dhalsim not good vs Tomo, what is good vs Tomo is Ryu. Because at least then you can attempt to mimic him and still lose.
Thanks for these vids Jeff, much respect. I got really annoyed the other night, I was on PSN in an endless battle room and was on a winning streak against people with 10x my 'Score' and was booted because I was being too random. How do you deal with people that are youtube video jukeboxes? They watch a tonne of videos and try to replicate the playstyle of the top players, so when someone comes in and plays a different style I get booted :(
I don't know if this has been said yet, but this philosophy does not only apply to street fighter, it applies to all vs games whether it be fighters, sports, or anything you play against another person or team. What he said is the reason why people like Justin Wong can make Mikoto look so good, or people like Gamerbee can win with Adon. It has nothing to do with technical skill, they just know the situational responses the best.
Fantastic insight. It will help those that actually try.
@Tapion013 I have proved it applies to more than one game, since I was #1 on earth at one point in Age of Empires, and also #1 on the Warcraft 2 ladder, as well as a few other games I have excelled in. My mental approach to games has landed me top spots consistently. Its like I can tell people the secrets, but people don't take the time to attempt to understand and absorb information. I am guilty of this, I was young, knew everything, and was invincible. Mistakes in life.
I wish I had this guy as my corner man for my fights. I'd feel like I could stack up against the "pro" players a bit more (even though I don't know everything about the game as far as counterpoking, although I do know a great deal about everything else)
@dvdragonmaster I am in your corner. I have told you how to:
Train
Mentally prepare
understand zones
understand risk/reward
If you study what I have told you, you will be 5x the player. People not quite at pro level that are "good" their biggest problem is they get mentally broken. You don't believe you can do it. So fool your mind into thinking your playing a super hard computer. I am in your corner pal.
I'm not so sure how consistent you can be with pulling off counters for Super Street Fighter IV though, as the focus-attack-dash cancel mechanic allows you to really alter how your moves work, making some moves impossible to punish on reaction. In the case of Ryu, you can make his shoryuken safe on block, and you can remove a lot of the recovery from your fireball. With this kind of variance, wouldn't it be more about playing against the player and not just the character?
@SyaoLin213 No, always play the character, you never know what people will do, and if you start thinking that, you will mind screw yourself and get all confused and lose confidence.
But still, to be so good at fighting games with no Palm Beach prize is a grand waste of time and is pretty meaningless. It's just an ego fight for more of that imaginary power over others that the game may give you that you do not have nor are you able to get in real life, isn't it so?
You won't get a date, nor would you get a skyrocketing promotion either. You boys (overgrown or otherwise) would remain as what you are and have always been.
@SeventhSun an athlete who only trains for his sport is less of a competitive threat than that same athlete if he trained+played video games. video games allow you the chance to better your mistakes, something that you don't get as easily when you learn how to compete in a sport. you could say it makes you mentally buff. learning the tricks and trades of ANY competition greatly increases your competitive ability. you DO gain skills from it.
girls might not find it hot, but i bet they like 10k
"and at times during the round, I feel like I am playing against the computer."
And vice versa. That's where we are quite alike.
But since people say the computer is easy and boring they should put even more effort at getting perfect rounds on the hardest difficulty, keyboard or otherwise. If they can't then they are unfit to make such a claim.
Regardless of what you're saying, the game is still rock, paper, scissors. Especially when it comes to the wakeup game. Look at akuma, he can just tele out of any wakeup and his anti-wakeup game (vortex nonsense) makes him a top character.
Mind and guess games, that's what makes fighting games like Street Fighter ffun. People sometimes fumble and make wrong choices with the top character too and their pummeling makes it pure gold.
I'd been saying for a while that there's a limit to someone's reaction time based on genetics, and people argued with me. Should go back and try to find the article I read on that again, good to see someone else gets that part of it though.
Very, very good vid and many thanks to making this, Jeff! This could apply to any fighting game out there and is great advice for someone who wants to become better.
@ANDERU4YOU Logically, your always playing against the character, not the player because a player can only do what the physics of the game with that character allows. Knowing what that is, tells you the entire universe of what ANY player can do. And great players are NOT predictable, which makes then stand out. Good players play in patters, great players mix it up and cannot be played against predictably.
Is there a correct way to study the matchups?like, is it better to learn by casuals trying every possibilities against the attacks of your opponent, or it is better to go to training and study by there, or even if it's better going to a frame data check all the possibilites?or maybe all of them?
I agree of what you said on the video (and I wanna thank you for that video), but I wanna know if there's a correct or better way to learn those things. Thanks in advance and sorry for my scrub question
@BLUELINKBR You want to master every possible counter from all distances and angles of attack before you take it to play against humans. When your playing against humans, you will test your ability to use the correct counter you learned in your study sessions.
One of the things that has remained constant from the old days is the need for game knowledge.
It's become much easier to access that knowledge with the existence of the internet, but studying the game hasn't taken a back seat. Its just that the popularity of video games has produced a larger saturation of players with little knowledge of the game.
The best players in the world are all a mixture of great knowledge and reaction times. Most people just don't make that association.
I never heard 1 top player say this when they were asked about becoming a better player in an interview. This is the real way to become a great player. Its not easy and it takes a lot of time but its the real way. Most of the top players would say stupid stuff like "just keep playing". If you dont know your match ups you will never be good. Some people play thousands of matches online and never learn even 1 matchup well. Thanks to jeff for being real.
what's interesting to me is that you say you were the 2nd best at HF and could never beat tomo, yet Mike who was 4th or 5th had the best win rate against tomo.... were you psyched out by playing against tomo?
I've got to really agree with the statement you made about people not taking time out to learn everything about the match-ups.
This is my biggest weakness. Basically if I see somebody playing a character that I don't understand I lose. And then I never take the time out to learn about the match-up.
man Jeff, just watched this video gotta say. When you said "now a days I'm watching these interviews and people are like, oh I gotta play against this guy! in losers bracket. Guess who I'm playing first at the tournament. Like it's a joke right?" ROFL man that's too real. I hear that all the time. I mean I've done it myself but it's like you being put against someone who's not easy gives u some free pass to make up a excuse for if you lose. :P
yo seriously .. that's how I try to think to think everytime i am playing.. but I cant ... just stay focus on that .. i get mind fcked then i get into stupid obvious looops and the inside of me just goes balls to the walls in the middle of matches i find myself arguing with me about why i am so stupid =[
I'm of the oppinion that your advice is good to the learnning process of the game.
If the game has enough depth, that will be part of the tool set available to actually play the game, if not then the restriction of the situations will be a main factor to the outcome.
Thank you very much for taking time to express knowledge for players that actually care to be good in a universal standard. I really appreciate it. Thank you.
Been a looong time SF player but havent touched an sf game since 2nd impact came out in the arcades. Just getting back into ssf4 and this video really put me in a good mindset to start up again. TY :)
Hey Jeff, I hope you'll read this, because it's a question that I've always wanted answered.
What is the best way to learn a new character, in any game? Just learn the fundamentals, like you said? Learn the properties of the char's moves, counters, matchups, all of that? Anything to add?
but jeff, what the hell do you do when the game intentionally gimps matchups so that with bison vs. ryu, bison's jump height is so ridiculously high and ryu has no counter to bison at his jump max height. no FPunch, no SPunch, and no MPunch beats it. no tatsumaki beats it and no kick beats it. the only thing that beats it is don't jump. ryu can only counter bison in the air with a short tatsumaki, but bison can never be at the peak of his jump. it's dumb.
A lot of great stuff here, thanks for these videos!
It seems to me a lot of players out there get mind-f'd by the reputations and names of other players. But you're right, just treat them like a piece of meat. It's like an equation, x=y.
Amazing work with this video my friend. This holds true to every fighting game not just street fighter. For example - Guilty Gear. If you dont know your matchups you shouldnt be playing the game. The best way to get good enough to be at tournament level is to keep the mind that even if I lose Im getting better.
jeff you were always so smart lol. glad to see you genuinely trying to help people get better while being straight forward with your opinions. if you guys wanna get better mark my words, jeff knows what it takes. screw the combos, screw the flash, learn the basics and get mentally focused and it will do wonders.
It DOES MATTER who youre playing. Yeah youre right that you shouldnt think about it too much and get mentally raped.
Each person has their own style. You gotta input your head what those players do so you know what exactly to counter and what to look for more.
For example almost anyone could relate too. Daigo is better at spacing than Alex. Alex does more random things that work very well for him. So you know what to expect when you play against Daigo's ryu and Alex's ryu
Great advice that can be applied to any game as well. I was watching a HoN replay the other day and wondered if it would be intimidating to mid against a well known player. Your video reminds me that a Soulstealer is still a Soulstealer, with all its limitations, no matter who is at the controls.
Jeff. Question. I remember Daigo saying that he measures up a person as well as the character they play. EG- high risk/high reward player? low risk/low reward player? can't handle pressure? loses focus after a game changing moment? Common tendencies? Any thoughts?
@Theocrooks What Daigo said could only apply to a person you have played against hundreds of times. Japanes top players play each other all the time, they can even play 100 game sets with each other. Americans don't do this. Different culture. I believe the "Playing to a common tendency" argument is weak, because a great player is dynamic and isn't predictable.
I like this video but there is one thing that wasn't being considered. You're making the assumption that every action can be reacted to...but it's simply not true. Different players have different tendencies, different levels of knowledge, different metagames...this is important to know before facing them, and that's why it's important to know your opponent.
Also, the reason why some obvious things aren't being countered isn't always because they don't know the counter, but because they aren't ready to counter...which can happen depending on how many things you have on your mind, especially if you've been getting mindraped for most of the match.
@Emillll I think that is true but what i think he is trying to say is do not base youre strategy on knowing youre opponent rather make it a part of after the entire practical experience. And listen carefully he is mentioning what button do i press if he does jumping. We both know that you cant jump recklessly and that you need to know when someone does. He is mentioning the part that people are forgetting and not saying base ur strategy on what i am saying hes just saying dont forget this part.
Definitely knowing every counter to every move gives you the confidence to win. Confidence is a big part of a winning mindset. That kind of in-depth knowledge is something I need to work on to gain that confidence.
This "Play the character, not the player" is great. Makes it way easier to focus on the goal. Thanks. :)
derBene 1 day ago
I am there man, come find me. My name is Bring it On I am pretty good, but not the best online. I am top tier though. There are a handful of better people than me on there. I just play for fun.
laakuma 1 week ago
@laakuma I am glad to have played you was lots of fun you can definitely tell you dont play super turbo :) HF Your guile was strong.
GoForBrokeTV 1 week ago
Jeff come to Super Arcade for some casuals!!!!! We got SF2 HF and I just installed new sticks!
VOLTECH01 1 week ago
This guy looks like a cross between Mike Huckabee and Colin Farrell...
3GBlog 1 week ago
If you acknowledge said game you have already lost "the game" assuming there is a game in the first place..
Kanakattaka 1 week ago
"I knew every move for every character in the game. It does a lot for you" .... Accept loosing your virginity
1augh0utL0UD 1 week ago
Now if only you had the answer to Marvel......
beastb83 2 weeks ago
I dont know street fighter game, and you probably dont know DotA, where is more than 120 heroes. BUT what i learn from your video's, its so help full, and I understand how it can help in ANY game, no matter how much choices, or counters are in game, you can own with something if u are aggressive and complete your plan before he even imagine his plan.
Very helpfull at life.
TheArmkill 2 weeks ago
@TheArmkill I play DOTA. I have DOTA 2 beta. I think my name is OGSagat on there
laakuma 2 weeks ago
@laakuma Ohh, nice! So you understand that DotA mechanics are more complicate, and only pro's have it all in their head. And it's a bit different in that way there is 4 teammates, you cant only go there with your hero doing your skill combo and own everybody, with confidence. + There are some games where your teammates just overfeed enemy, its hard to win those games alone.
But, you really helped me with that video about keeping pressure on enemy's.
In DotA this was very helpfully.
TheArmkill 2 weeks ago
@laakuma HON is pretty good. More fast paced than DOTA 2 ATM
jamiejame911 2 weeks ago
True facts! Even as a Third Strike player, ESPECIALLY as a Third Strike player, Jeff speaks the truth!
guitarslinger44 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
That is one "offbeat" video. =p
vernlloyd11 1 month ago
I've been waiting for you to make new vids for ages. these are great, please make more.
Filtersloth 1 month ago
This vid went viral on Bogota
ickieestes12r 1 month ago
@ickieestes12r what is Bogota?
laakuma 1 month ago
@laakuma
Did you find out? What IS Bogota? I thought it was a place in South America!?
bensons999 1 month ago
@laakuma sry but oh my god lol,what is Bogota. American World Knowledge at its Best,they only know they own Country. YEAU AMERICA.. wut is Bogota omg.
Sch1n89 3 weeks ago
@Sch1n89 Or you could answer instead of gagging on shaft.
S0pringles 3 weeks ago
@Sch1n89
Don't be another net turd without a soul. Could most people use some more knowledge? Obviously.. but lets not pretend like u are familier with every city/country. In fact.. lets not pretend at all and just say that your the same old troll all over again.
raistlin2031 2 weeks ago
A lot of this reasoning applies to a lot of other games too. Thanks for the tips. Very good video.
TrollNThrow 1 month ago
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mrgingles 6 months ago
Fierce - HP
Strong - MP
Jab - LP
Short - LK
Forward - MK
Roundhouse - HK
rocknflip66 7 months ago
I've really never thought about this before, but I guess you are damn right, I'll change my training style from now on...thanks.
AskarDarkKnight 8 months ago
I've been having a tough time trying to find a character i'm comfortable with in SSF4 and tips?
Netburner23 9 months ago
@Netburner23 I don't play SSF4 yet, so I don't know, but I have theory for you. To learn the game and get comfortable, play a defensive character, where they always have to come to you. Its less work, and youll move up the curve faster. Guile is a good choice.
laakuma 9 months ago 4
@laakuma yeah i guess i can do that, i'm not much a charge guy. I tried out ken for a little bit. But is it merely a preference thing when it comes to characters?
Netburner23 9 months ago
I have no idea how anyone can dislike this video. It is full of information and covers aspects of the game other top players rarely talk about, unless you are in their personal circle of friends, perhaps. Thanks for the insight, Jeff.
Byorin 9 months ago
omg thank you , tha was really helpful
willy787 9 months ago
What you say in this video, even in these comments, is just amazing.
I'm a ranked Super Smash Bros. Brawl player. It doesn't make much sense, but my opponent's name and status is always in the back of my head, distracting me.
I'm gonna make a list of all the counters, and forget about "common tendencies". I was both being lazy and overgeneralizing game play by not doing this.
Thanks, man. Where can I have access to more of your work?
TeeKayDee 9 months ago
@TeeKayDee I am just a guy looking for a JOB in North Texas. This is all my work, I have a lot of titles from the past, now all I have is friendly advice from all the lessons I have learned.
laakuma 9 months ago
You really helped me challenge myself to see what I can and can't do but I have to ask can you win with any character against anyone if you know what your doing? because I tried to use the top characters to win but I can't. I have to have some kind of connection with the character or relate to them for various reasons like their look/story/moveset/play style. I also want to go to tournaments but don't want to waste my time if the character isn't good enough. Any advice would be appreciated.
DUMBLUCKO7 9 months ago
@DUMBLUCKO7 Learn 3, and make sure they are all top tier or high tier and mak sure they they are HARD counterpicks vs other top tier characters. Thats how you do it.
laakuma 9 months ago
Jeff, Im clear and understand why youtubing isnt the best way to learn how to play strategically. However, whats your take on looking through forums in order to learn X and Y counters? Im guessing you still have to test it out in battle any way right? Thanks in advance.
Rightpath77 11 months ago
cheers for the vid jeff, nicely said
nfam1s 1 year ago
I don't know if you read these little notes, Jeff... But I have Duchenne's Muscular Dystrophy and I've been playing Street Fighter II since it came out. I've never thought about what I was doing this entire time. I use Street Fighter to fight my terminal disease to stay strong. You've really helped me with this information. I just want to say thank you. Thank you, man.
andystokes304 1 year ago 11
@andystokes304 Of course I read them, its an honor to have so many friends. Alot of people don't even have more than 1 friend. Its an honor to help people, and I treat it as such. I will put in some more work to help my friends here in the near future. Thank you for your kind words. You are very kind
laakuma 1 year ago
Do you have eyebrow implants?
BrawlPrincess 1 year ago
Thanks dude this will help me I thank you 4 this
RipRJD 1 year ago
So do you not play SSFIV?
BumpyPickles 1 year ago
@BumpyPickles I play it a little, probably 1 hour a week
laakuma 1 year ago
I thought you were Adam Carolla at first
CobaltReign 1 year ago
I find it hard with games today to always be in absolute control of a match too many options come forth from super meters that can take you out of your game plan. I think that games today want you to go for a mix ups and guess to win rather than being in full control the match trapping people with well executed spacing and zoning. It like just fish for knock downs and pray you hit them with your trump card its really too bad that its like that today.
Zorin1 1 year ago
I have to ask is it better to have one main character or should you use other characters to cover bad matchups?
DUMBLUCKO7 1 year ago
@DUMBLUCKO7 Learn 2-3 characters, to counterpick with.
laakuma 1 year ago
@laakuma But you say in this video that it is very important to know every counter with every character against every character in every situation. If you know all of that, doesn't that mean you know every matchup with every character? So why do you need to counterpick at all? Wouldn't that be more like a "crutch" as you might say?
I don't mean to imply counterpicking isn't acceptable, because it is, I'm just trying to understand where you stand.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 1 year ago
@Makingnewnamesisdumb Because certain characters have HUGE advantages over others, even if you know all the counters. Because the counters are too difficult...this is why there are tiers of characters...god tier, good, average, and bad....because the bad's counters are too hard, or too low priority.
laakuma 1 year ago
@laakuma The Japanese players seem to do extremely well focusing on one character, though, just by studying the match ups and getting as much experience as possible with them. Players like Muteki play one character almost exclusively and play that character's worst match ups like they are evenly matched every time. In other games players like Mike Z focus entirely on some of the WORST characters in those games and still place top 8 because they are so knowledgeable and have great execution.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 1 year ago
Excellent post Jeff, thank you. For clarification: you suggest that me and my friend go to trianing with our mains and learn every attack at each range (aka footsies), for say like an 30 minutes to an hour and then fight each other using the knowledge we just learned?
Also, what if the friend I am playing just mains one character? Should we pick up other characters for the sack of learning to counter them?
Forgive me if this not clear, I just got off of work and kind of tired. Thanks.
Rightpath77 1 year ago
@Rightpath77 Yes, pick your mains, then learn every counter attack from every angle, then play each other and use your applied knowledge.
laakuma 1 year ago
great insight, great foundation for any player to build on.
brokenjazzdrum 1 year ago
you mentioned Daigo a lot. it would be really interseting to hear your thoughts on how you whooped him in SF2 even though you were on a 10 year break. not hating the guy, just really curious. how do you think he would do if he played Tomo while they're both in their prime lol
Chaldean4life91 1 year ago
@Chaldean4life91 I think Daigo would have been top 5 for sure back then, its hard to explain Tomo. He was on another level. Tomo can beat me 100-0, without exaggeration. And you saw me play Daigo. Tomo is ridiculous, its not human.
laakuma 1 year ago
@laakuma
tbh i used to be a Daigo fanboy (after his 3rd strike parry), and i used to believe this guy could never lose to anyone even in SF2 EXCEPT Tomo. no matter how much i respected Daigo, there was no way in hell my bias towards Daigo would allow me to think hes better than Tomo. if you ever meet Tomo, please tell him to show us one match of him lol. ive searched for years and cant find anything. your lucky you had a chance to meet him, and play with him
Chaldean4life91 1 year ago
@laakuma yeah but mike did a lot better than you did against tomo, despite him being lower in the world's finest ranking table. maybe you just had a mental block when playing tomo? (which is ironic given the content of this video)
theycallmejpj 1 year ago
@theycallmejpj Mike played a better counter character than me, Sagat/Blanka/Dhalsim not good vs Tomo, what is good vs Tomo is Ryu. Because at least then you can attempt to mimic him and still lose.
laakuma 1 year ago
Thanks for these vids Jeff, much respect. I got really annoyed the other night, I was on PSN in an endless battle room and was on a winning streak against people with 10x my 'Score' and was booted because I was being too random. How do you deal with people that are youtube video jukeboxes? They watch a tonne of videos and try to replicate the playstyle of the top players, so when someone comes in and plays a different style I get booted :(
AphexDash 1 year ago
I don't know if this has been said yet, but this philosophy does not only apply to street fighter, it applies to all vs games whether it be fighters, sports, or anything you play against another person or team. What he said is the reason why people like Justin Wong can make Mikoto look so good, or people like Gamerbee can win with Adon. It has nothing to do with technical skill, they just know the situational responses the best.
Fantastic insight. It will help those that actually try.
Tapion013 1 year ago
@Tapion013 I have proved it applies to more than one game, since I was #1 on earth at one point in Age of Empires, and also #1 on the Warcraft 2 ladder, as well as a few other games I have excelled in. My mental approach to games has landed me top spots consistently. Its like I can tell people the secrets, but people don't take the time to attempt to understand and absorb information. I am guilty of this, I was young, knew everything, and was invincible. Mistakes in life.
laakuma 1 year ago
Great vid Jeff. I've been telling the players I've been training the same things. Players don't prepare the same today like we did in CE and HF.
ShinAkuma204 1 year ago
I wish I had this guy as my corner man for my fights. I'd feel like I could stack up against the "pro" players a bit more (even though I don't know everything about the game as far as counterpoking, although I do know a great deal about everything else)
dvdragonmaster 1 year ago
@dvdragonmaster I am in your corner. I have told you how to:
Train
Mentally prepare
understand zones
understand risk/reward
If you study what I have told you, you will be 5x the player. People not quite at pro level that are "good" their biggest problem is they get mentally broken. You don't believe you can do it. So fool your mind into thinking your playing a super hard computer. I am in your corner pal.
laakuma 1 year ago
I'm not so sure how consistent you can be with pulling off counters for Super Street Fighter IV though, as the focus-attack-dash cancel mechanic allows you to really alter how your moves work, making some moves impossible to punish on reaction. In the case of Ryu, you can make his shoryuken safe on block, and you can remove a lot of the recovery from your fireball. With this kind of variance, wouldn't it be more about playing against the player and not just the character?
SyaoLin213 1 year ago
@SyaoLin213 No, always play the character, you never know what people will do, and if you start thinking that, you will mind screw yourself and get all confused and lose confidence.
laakuma 1 year ago
This guy really knows whats up with competitive metagame.
Adro1337 1 year ago
I'll be repping Blanka in an arcade HF tourney in two weekends, mind if I get a copy of your card to pass out?
grogdeluxe 1 year ago
But still, to be so good at fighting games with no Palm Beach prize is a grand waste of time and is pretty meaningless. It's just an ego fight for more of that imaginary power over others that the game may give you that you do not have nor are you able to get in real life, isn't it so?
You won't get a date, nor would you get a skyrocketing promotion either. You boys (overgrown or otherwise) would remain as what you are and have always been.
SeventhSun 1 year ago
@SeventhSun an athlete who only trains for his sport is less of a competitive threat than that same athlete if he trained+played video games. video games allow you the chance to better your mistakes, something that you don't get as easily when you learn how to compete in a sport. you could say it makes you mentally buff. learning the tricks and trades of ANY competition greatly increases your competitive ability. you DO gain skills from it.
girls might not find it hot, but i bet they like 10k
viciousrape 1 year ago
"and at times during the round, I feel like I am playing against the computer."
And vice versa. That's where we are quite alike.
But since people say the computer is easy and boring they should put even more effort at getting perfect rounds on the hardest difficulty, keyboard or otherwise. If they can't then they are unfit to make such a claim.
SeventhSun 1 year ago
"Just pretend they're a piece of meat" Well, technically they ARE :P
Seriously though, really motivational and inspirational stuff. :)
PopoRanger 1 year ago
Regardless of what you're saying, the game is still rock, paper, scissors. Especially when it comes to the wakeup game. Look at akuma, he can just tele out of any wakeup and his anti-wakeup game (vortex nonsense) makes him a top character.
EpedemicOptikz 1 year ago
@EpedemicOptikz
Mind and guess games, that's what makes fighting games like Street Fighter ffun. People sometimes fumble and make wrong choices with the top character too and their pummeling makes it pure gold.
SeventhSun 1 year ago
Great! thx!
manthebat 1 year ago
This guy took everything I think of and put it in a youtube video. I Can't wait till Final Round.
Hint: my characters are M.Bison, Dee Jay, & Ken
ariscool24 1 year ago
Very cool and interesting! Very wise.
AlienLordable 1 year ago
I'd been saying for a while that there's a limit to someone's reaction time based on genetics, and people argued with me. Should go back and try to find the article I read on that again, good to see someone else gets that part of it though.
KowtowRobinson 1 year ago
"dont be afraid to lose" wise words brother alot of sf players need 2 hear that.
stadiumstatus26 1 year ago
"just pretend they're a piece of meat"
that is truely true. thanks for that. lol I got psyched out this last saturday. lol
Betaoriginal 1 year ago
@Betaoriginal but seriously thank you. Im going to try to do the same with MvC2.... although t has 56 characters to "memorize" :\\\\ :(
Betaoriginal 1 year ago
@Betaoriginal - I think you can cut that down quite a bit...
Shezmu 1 year ago
@Shezmu mmm then ill say 30 chars
Betaoriginal 1 year ago
@Betaoriginal - Sounds about right.
Shezmu 1 year ago
couldn't love this more.
RSONE32 1 year ago
wise words
mannie5851 1 year ago
Very, very good vid and many thanks to making this, Jeff! This could apply to any fighting game out there and is great advice for someone who wants to become better.
AzuroMasurao 1 year ago
Not so easy when you play viper lol... I'd say SHE is probably about going against the player and not the character.
ANDERU4YOU 1 year ago
@ANDERU4YOU Logically, your always playing against the character, not the player because a player can only do what the physics of the game with that character allows. Knowing what that is, tells you the entire universe of what ANY player can do. And great players are NOT predictable, which makes then stand out. Good players play in patters, great players mix it up and cannot be played against predictably.
laakuma 1 year ago 6
Is there a correct way to study the matchups?like, is it better to learn by casuals trying every possibilities against the attacks of your opponent, or it is better to go to training and study by there, or even if it's better going to a frame data check all the possibilites?or maybe all of them?
I agree of what you said on the video (and I wanna thank you for that video), but I wanna know if there's a correct or better way to learn those things. Thanks in advance and sorry for my scrub question
BLUELINKBR 1 year ago
@BLUELINKBR You want to master every possible counter from all distances and angles of attack before you take it to play against humans. When your playing against humans, you will test your ability to use the correct counter you learned in your study sessions.
laakuma 1 year ago
One of the things that has remained constant from the old days is the need for game knowledge.
It's become much easier to access that knowledge with the existence of the internet, but studying the game hasn't taken a back seat. Its just that the popularity of video games has produced a larger saturation of players with little knowledge of the game.
The best players in the world are all a mixture of great knowledge and reaction times. Most people just don't make that association.
maskedburritow 1 year ago
thanks man !
FlashDudley 1 year ago
Really good vid. Much of this applies to any competitive game
MassLurker 1 year ago
I never heard 1 top player say this when they were asked about becoming a better player in an interview. This is the real way to become a great player. Its not easy and it takes a lot of time but its the real way. Most of the top players would say stupid stuff like "just keep playing". If you dont know your match ups you will never be good. Some people play thousands of matches online and never learn even 1 matchup well. Thanks to jeff for being real.
ghier83 1 year ago
words of wisdom
yimaxi 1 year ago
Amen to this post.
Rightpath77 1 year ago
what's interesting to me is that you say you were the 2nd best at HF and could never beat tomo, yet Mike who was 4th or 5th had the best win rate against tomo.... were you psyched out by playing against tomo?
theycallmejpj 1 year ago
@theycallmejpj Mike played Tomo the most.
JoshuaMari 1 year ago
I've got to really agree with the statement you made about people not taking time out to learn everything about the match-ups.
This is my biggest weakness. Basically if I see somebody playing a character that I don't understand I lose. And then I never take the time out to learn about the match-up.
Quickiezzz 1 year ago
man Jeff, just watched this video gotta say. When you said "now a days I'm watching these interviews and people are like, oh I gotta play against this guy! in losers bracket. Guess who I'm playing first at the tournament. Like it's a joke right?" ROFL man that's too real. I hear that all the time. I mean I've done it myself but it's like you being put against someone who's not easy gives u some free pass to make up a excuse for if you lose. :P
choboruin 1 year ago
Very interesting. Sounds like it would take a lot of work, but being that's what being a master of something is. Thanks, that did help. :)
Korudo 1 year ago
yo seriously .. that's how I try to think to think everytime i am playing.. but I cant ... just stay focus on that .. i get mind fcked then i get into stupid obvious looops and the inside of me just goes balls to the walls in the middle of matches i find myself arguing with me about why i am so stupid =[
guinogv 1 year ago
True dat bro good stuff
BradfordX2 1 year ago
Too True
CSDZX 1 year ago
Good stuff man! When you know how the game works you can even create combo videos in your head.
RyukendenY 1 year ago 2
Great advice Jeff, when Marvel 3 comes up, I'm gonna rape my notepad.
steviestrike 1 year ago
Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain us all this. Thank you very much!
jeanlucpotte 1 year ago
I'm of the oppinion that your advice is good to the learnning process of the game.
If the game has enough depth, that will be part of the tool set available to actually play the game, if not then the restriction of the situations will be a main factor to the outcome.
keyth23632147 1 year ago
Thank you very much for taking time to express knowledge for players that actually care to be good in a universal standard. I really appreciate it. Thank you.
elylovesyah 1 year ago
Been a looong time SF player but havent touched an sf game since 2nd impact came out in the arcades. Just getting back into ssf4 and this video really put me in a good mindset to start up again. TY :)
boogityboy 1 year ago
Good shit Jeff. Helps a lot. Thanks for the godlike wisdom.
xTraexEdge 1 year ago
Great video, thank you!
FREEdomxxxZGMFX10A 1 year ago
Hey Jeff, I hope you'll read this, because it's a question that I've always wanted answered.
What is the best way to learn a new character, in any game? Just learn the fundamentals, like you said? Learn the properties of the char's moves, counters, matchups, all of that? Anything to add?
jw821 1 year ago
Make more vids, Jeff! Good shit! I hope you can find some random guy who videotaped some of your old tourney matches. He's out there... somewhere ^^
Akujinb0x 1 year ago
Thanks again Jeff, Very good advice man.
Combusted619 1 year ago
Good stuff. I'd really like to see more videos like this. Maybe some thoughts about the intangibles of high level play, mindgames and yomi etc.
Zilfer88 1 year ago
but jeff, what the hell do you do when the game intentionally gimps matchups so that with bison vs. ryu, bison's jump height is so ridiculously high and ryu has no counter to bison at his jump max height. no FPunch, no SPunch, and no MPunch beats it. no tatsumaki beats it and no kick beats it. the only thing that beats it is don't jump. ryu can only counter bison in the air with a short tatsumaki, but bison can never be at the peak of his jump. it's dumb.
jsaic 1 year ago
A lot of great stuff here, thanks for these videos!
It seems to me a lot of players out there get mind-f'd by the reputations and names of other players. But you're right, just treat them like a piece of meat. It's like an equation, x=y.
trickyrey 1 year ago
great vid
BehindTheLight99 1 year ago
This video will truly help me be a better player, thank you and I hope you would keep on uploading such great videos, subscribed!
metallicaband 1 year ago
Great video. I've going to have to start thinking in this fashion.
Moxraptor 1 year ago
Really great video man thanks for the advice, will keep it in mind
KOWestern 1 year ago
thanks for the advice
what if i practice a lot but got the feeling that my progress is not what i expect
any advice
rafaelrha 1 year ago
Amazing work with this video my friend. This holds true to every fighting game not just street fighter. For example - Guilty Gear. If you dont know your matchups you shouldnt be playing the game. The best way to get good enough to be at tournament level is to keep the mind that even if I lose Im getting better.
Akadou 1 year ago
jeff you were always so smart lol. glad to see you genuinely trying to help people get better while being straight forward with your opinions. if you guys wanna get better mark my words, jeff knows what it takes. screw the combos, screw the flash, learn the basics and get mentally focused and it will do wonders.
mrmikey77 1 year ago
It DOES MATTER who youre playing. Yeah youre right that you shouldnt think about it too much and get mentally raped.
Each person has their own style. You gotta input your head what those players do so you know what exactly to counter and what to look for more.
For example almost anyone could relate too. Daigo is better at spacing than Alex. Alex does more random things that work very well for him. So you know what to expect when you play against Daigo's ryu and Alex's ryu
shanewin 1 year ago
Great Jeff!
Im sure your advices will be of great use for the fighting games communities...
Heh, but this reminds me, will a really crappy character be able counter someone who has much more counter for him?
I know this doesnt happen much nowadays, but I thought about CE Boxerand Gief.
PEACE.
platefork 1 year ago
Thank you, your advice has really helped me towards a better and clearer direction
in this hobby and possibly in dealing with life in general.
I hope I could one day test my skills on the grand stage like you.
Have a great year ahead,sir.
br0kenbutt3rfly23 1 year ago
welcome back to 1991,. this shit was normal back in my day, lol.
BAD187 1 year ago
I love watching your videos. I hope you get active again.
WinkieDuck 1 year ago
Great advice that can be applied to any game as well. I was watching a HoN replay the other day and wondered if it would be intimidating to mid against a well known player. Your video reminds me that a Soulstealer is still a Soulstealer, with all its limitations, no matter who is at the controls.
breaktheloop 1 year ago
good vid
kryptocrackk 1 year ago
Informative video, good stuff man. Hope to see more videos like this.
HaoPK 1 year ago
Jeff. Question. I remember Daigo saying that he measures up a person as well as the character they play. EG- high risk/high reward player? low risk/low reward player? can't handle pressure? loses focus after a game changing moment? Common tendencies? Any thoughts?
Theocrooks 1 year ago
@Theocrooks What Daigo said could only apply to a person you have played against hundreds of times. Japanes top players play each other all the time, they can even play 100 game sets with each other. Americans don't do this. Different culture. I believe the "Playing to a common tendency" argument is weak, because a great player is dynamic and isn't predictable.
laakuma 1 year ago 6
@laakuma
Fair enough.
SeventhSun 1 year ago
He looks like that actor Dan Hedaya.
Samson814 1 year ago 3
Awesome Jeff. Hope you upload more. Always great to hear about Street Fighter from ya.
mtgrungoblins 1 year ago 7
I like this video but there is one thing that wasn't being considered. You're making the assumption that every action can be reacted to...but it's simply not true. Different players have different tendencies, different levels of knowledge, different metagames...this is important to know before facing them, and that's why it's important to know your opponent.
Emillll 1 year ago
Also, the reason why some obvious things aren't being countered isn't always because they don't know the counter, but because they aren't ready to counter...which can happen depending on how many things you have on your mind, especially if you've been getting mindraped for most of the match.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll I think that is true but what i think he is trying to say is do not base youre strategy on knowing youre opponent rather make it a part of after the entire practical experience. And listen carefully he is mentioning what button do i press if he does jumping. We both know that you cant jump recklessly and that you need to know when someone does. He is mentioning the part that people are forgetting and not saying base ur strategy on what i am saying hes just saying dont forget this part.
okirogaki 1 year ago
This video really helped me. I am going to take your advice and start hitting the books.
Thanks for taking the time to put up this video
sunshadeful 1 year ago
Jeff the Oakley king
biggest oakley collection ever
Mrjaha 1 year ago
My third tournament is in January and I'll definitely be watching this again right before I leave! Thank you Schaefer!
JyuuinShitau 1 year ago
cool video Jeff I plan to start heading out to tournaments soon, and your video on strategy and this one are really helpful
MrNoirtoise 1 year ago
Definitely knowing every counter to every move gives you the confidence to win. Confidence is a big part of a winning mindset. That kind of in-depth knowledge is something I need to work on to gain that confidence.
paulhindt 1 year ago
real counter-cultural stuff here. love how you're keeping it real jeff
xRisingForcex 1 year ago