Continued: Jews claim that The Sabbath was never meant for goyim. And a gentile must profane it, if they want to commemorate that day. One concern of the early church, was judaization regarding Saturday worship. I have also read that people celebrated both days, at one time.
I say there is no argument in that Sunday--the day of resurection--become the official day of worship by the early church. Versus the actual sabbath, of wich was also homaged by the early church, until it was officially changed. I worship at an institution on Sunday. Although i homage Saturday as the biblical day specified.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins..
So, these are a select group of saints in the Tribulation, who are keeping the Mosaic law and are called "VIRGINS," who number 144,000 (MALES) and are of the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL and have not been DEFILED WITH WOMEN
They are present at the marriage of the Lamb, but they don't marry the Bridegroom (see Psa.45).
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It's amazing how otherwise educated adults give in to, and actually believe in the false promises and other BS they are fed at church and through the bible. A pure fabrication.
Has anyone here attempted verification of any of these religious claims? It's very amusing how deep the discussions can go, investigating only inside the beliefs and referring to the bible and other supporting documents ONLY. The only thing proven here is that it's a prime example of religious dogma at work.
The leaders of SDA will be judge for what they have done. Truly for all the members can´t you see they are stealing money in your pocket? Wake up people go out from that church. And read Ellen G. White´s book. research for the truth. The pastors are making thier own teaching not from God. All they want is to harvest money.
@jhonene Reform? I have no religion and i am not a christian. For the true meaning of religion is to live the life of Christ and to be a christian is to have knowlegde of God´s love. Christians nowadays are posses by false teachings. No matter how much they read the bible it can only be seen through the fruits of thier life. Gal. 5:25-26 Those who claim to be a christian and are hypocrite and arrogant how shameful.
You're not a Christian and have no religion, yet you come on here and criticize Adventists? NOW, who's the hypocrite? You don't have a leg to stand on.
Criticize? huh, i am only telling the hidden truth of SDA. If you are an educated person as you say. Then try to search the diffrence between criticizing and truth? I can be a hypocrite in your eyes but i thank you for that. I believe Jesus will not tell me that. What i´m saying is if those pastors are called Christians where in the bible is it written to steal money in your own church? And teach that everyone must offer money to be saved? How shameful wake up my friend :)
In which church are they preaching you must give money to be saved. In which church are pastors stealing money. Give specific examples, name the churches. Back up what you are claiming.
How about this? Pastors fight each other, sue one another even the members then is that the fruit of the holy spirit or a fruit of demons? They even rent the most expensive hotels to hold a meeting instead of holding it inside there churches. Wow! what else can i say about SDA? Sabbath keepers? They keep thier own sabbath as a cooking day and a festival day for thier guest. Then did Ellen G. White did not mention the prophecy about the " Laudicia church who become hot and cold?
Yes obcourse logically but announcing inside the church who gave the highest amount of money is wrong. How about those who have no money? Those members are even step aside because they cannot give anny offering then what kind of church is that?
What church announces the amount it's members give or make members step aside if they can't give? I've never seen that. Give me examples as in what church and where.
SDA are thieves specially the leaders they are preaching to give money using the bible. They never keep the thier sabbath mostly members are hiding going to shopping eating shrimps and crabs even swine. Even Ellen G. White said God already left in that church. And they are preaching all religion will go to hell and only them will be saved. Is that the preach of Christ?
who said they are not free. jesus said he came to forfill the law in matthew. and galatians 4 vs 25 does not say the we ought not to be beguiled about keeping the sabbath. u dont follow His word because u are a slave to it but because u love the lord.
Well, could it be your leading people down the wrong path SDV? You teach your soul sleeps after death. Isaiah14:9-10 Tells us, that the dead are agitated and speaking. 1Samuel 1:28 tells of Samuel conversing with Saul after his death. Those that died are more alive than we are, and they surround us like a great cloud of witnesses. (Heb 12:1). So, please stop spreading lies and discord. Peace.
@michael61778 You misquoted 1 Sam 1:28 It says, "Therefore I also have lent him to the Lord; as long as he lives he shall be lent to the Lord. So they worshiped the Lord there." Be careful pal, remeber Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 "5. For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. 6. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they share in anything done under the sun."
1 samuel 1 vs 28 does not talk about what u said.Samuel died before Saul so i dont know what u re talking about. are u talking about the time saul went to the witch in order to talk to the ghost of samuel? look at the person he went to.... a witch! christians dont associate with evil spirts.he could have talked directly to God but no a witch.Hebrews 1 vs 12 is not talking about the dead. pls read ur bible carefully so that u wont be spreading lies and false doctrines. thank u
I hope this has made an impact for all people to open their bibles-its so easy to loss track of time to read, especially with our busy lives but we should (me especially) remember that by spending time with God we learn more and become closer to Him. There aren't many devote Christians where I live-Sunderland-England, but I doesn't stop us from building relationships with people who know nothing at all about God. We need to break down the wall of secularism by the power of God and reach people
You should read these two letters "One Truth, One Church, One Body, No Walls...Only One Spirit and Love in Christ, Forever and Ever!" and "The Prophets Have Been Called and Sent Out to Sound the Trumpet, and to Restore the Light to the Dwindling Flame of the Churches" in TrumpetCallofGodOnline . com website. Yes, Hear what God of Israel YAHUWAH say to Our generation by His chosen prophets. Please do it. Do it today.
Why do Adventists claim to have devotion to the Bible when they believe that the writings of Ellen White are greater than the Bible. If they followed the bible, they would abandon their hostility toward other Christians about the day of the Sabbath.
Until Adventists return to following just the bible, other Christians will continue wondering if they are a cult. Paul said, "If we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you...let him be accursed.
@protochris Where did you hear that??? Ellen White herself said that the bible is the authority and that her own writings are a commentary. She criticised people for elevating her writings above what they should be. No true adventist believes that.
@indimedia The Adventists do teach that she is the "forerunner" to Christ, and a Prophetess. If her writings are inerrant and prophetical, then they would be at least considered on par with scripture. The problem is when EG White teaches something contrary to scripture, Adventists accept her claims above scripture.
@protochris I'm an Adventist who works for the church and I produce material about Adventist beliefs.
To clarify:
1 - Adventists DO NOT claim EGW above scripture, the bible is the authority.
2 - Adventists believe God used EGW to deliver a message, she never claimed or used the word prophet, only messenger. (I have no problem with prophet label)
3 - Not ALL of her writings are 'inspired', most are letters and opinion pieces. She like all of us grew in her faith & understanding over time
@indimedia If EGW is a messenger or prophetess, then you would regard her teachings as "essential" to the faith of Jesus Christ. If her message is essential to understanding the "fulness" of the faith, then in the least you regard her "official" teachings on par with all canonized scripture. So then, do you in the least regard her official teachings on par with Holy Scripture in the context of divine inspiration or do you accept her merely as a prophet of your chuch with whom you agree.
@protochris Adventists believe the bible is the authority. EGW has great insights in the bible which we believe God showed her and her writings are commentary on the biblical themes. NO her works are not on par with the bible, she was given 'biblical insight' and a role to play for these days. Nor are all of her writings considered 'inspired', is EVERYTHING matthew, mark, luke or john have ever written inspired, no. I'm not going to bash you with Adventism, just want to put the record straight.
@indimedia 1st, yes, everything that Matthew, Mark, Luke or John wrote "about Jesus" is inspired. If we find any new writings of theirs about him, it will instantly become scripture because they were eyewitnesses of his life. So, my question is whether or not you regard every doctrinal statement that EG White made about Jesus inspired. If all are not inspired, then you would admit, she could be subject to erroneous teachings about Jesus Christ, and those who hold her as a prophet could follow.
@protochris I did not ask if everything matthew, mark, luke & john wrote "about jesus" was inspired. I asked is everything they ever wrote (that is everything, letters to mum etc) was inspired. (Be careful how you twist my words please) I believe the "conflict of the ages" series to be inspired. The rest makes interesting reading. But my theology comes from the bible. Do you believe in this concept that people like the disciples and prophets are "saints" and that they are in some way "holy" ?
@indimedia I don't believe I twisted your words. We were speaking in the context of the bible and theology, not personal memos. If EG White wrote about gardening, no one would be critical of her. I don't know of any of her writings except the "Great Controversy". I do know Adventists hold unorthodox beliefs about Christ based not on basic biblical readings, but on the EG White's interpretations. We are all saints, "Set Apart" by God, especially the Apostles-just like the 7th day.
@protochris I believe the series "The conflict of the ages" is an "inspired commentary of the bible" and is not meant to replace or be thought of as equal to the bible (this includes "the great controversy"). Other EGW books where compiled after her death (without her approval) of letters and writings which is not part of her inspired writings.
Can you outline the unorthodox beliefs so we can discuss? Thanks for discussing not bashing ;)
@indimedia I would disagree with the belief that Christ's redemptive work at the cross was incomplete, that the "mark of the beast" represents a day of worship, and that Jesus and Michael the Archangel are the same being. I also disagree with EG White's historical teachings, especially that Constantine changed the Sabbath from 7th to 1st day in the 4th century, which we now know from history to be incorrect.
@protochris OK cool - I'm at work right now. Let me create a response to those topics. i might have to post them off youtube as you can't put much info here.
@protochris Just wanted to say I respect you protochris, for the same reason that indimedia said. Most accusers of Adventists come on here and say things like "You're a demonic cult, EGW was a false prophet" blah blah blah. They have no idea how to back their statements up.
At least you've got proper reasons. These are some of the things I didn't understand before I was baptized and joined the Adventist church either. I think indimedia will do well explaining these things if you're interested.
@GamerDude573 I appreciate the respect. I get accused of the same sort of things because I'm Catholic. I've been told I worship Mary, worship the beast (Satan), worship Idols, and worship the wrong jesus. I'm not offended by it anymore. I just fix my eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfector of our faith. I believe I'm familiar with most Adventists teachings, except probably the Investigative Judgement.
All who claim to be Sabbath-keeping Adventists, and yet continue in sin, are liars in God's sight. Their sinful course is counterworking the work of God. They are leading others into sin. The word comes from God to every member of our churches, "And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Ellen G White wrote this since 1987
- looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears." Hebrews 12:13-17.
@indimedia Hey buddy. You're back! We missed you for the past month. FatTonyAU deleted his account and changed his name to "BibleJesusChristian". Furthermore, there are a lot of people debating with him right now. We'd love to see you there. Hope you're having (or are going to have) a great Sabbath. God bless brother.
@GamerDude573 Hey, I've been traveling for work for awhile and have no had time to get online. I'll be back for a bit then away again and then back etc
@GamerDude573 Its funny, I just made a comment on a "BibleJesusChristian" video (who we know as FatTonyAU) it was a nice comment about how I believe in EGW writings and love being part of the Adventist faith and he has blocked me from commenting on all his video's. It's a little ironic that someone basing my faith and demanding answers will block me from giving them
@indimedia From what I remember, FatTonyAU couldn't answer many of the questions you used to ask him. It's funny how someone will block you or mark your comments as spam (even if it is a reasonable, polite statement) just because they don't agree with it. Can't they just mark it with a thumbs down?
Also, I think that some accusers of Adventists on here (not mentioning names) need to swallow their pride when they can't answer and admit that they might be mistaken rather than using hateful words.
@protochris Where did you hear that??? Ellen White herself said that the bible is the authority and that her own writings are a commentary. She criticised people for elevating her writings above what they should be. No true adventist believes that.
"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." Gal 3:24-25
They kept the ceremonial law in the book of the law (verse 10) by faith, waiting for the day when the faith should come-Jesus! After faith has come (Christ) we are no longer under a tutor, the tutor being of course the book of the law, with its ceremonies & sacrifices, which shadowed the real substance, Jesus..
"I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Gal 5:16-18
Amen! When we are led by His Spirit, He leads us AWAY from sin. Before a person had His Spirit, he was led by his human nature, gravitating towards lusts revealed by the law, for the law says do not covet, do not commit adultery, but we were once helpless to overcome our sinful nature.
But now, we have His power by His Spirit to overcome sin, we are not under the power of the law:
"Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts." Rom 6:12
"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Rom 8:1-3
The law of the Spirit of life has made us free from the law of sin and death, which law stated: "you sin, you die":
The law was weak...why?..."THE FLESH", that is, because of our sinful human nature made it impossible to keep His Spiritual law (Rom 7:14), His Ten Commandments.
But now Jesus came IN THE SAME SINFUL FLESH--He had our SAME sinful human nature (v3), but He overcame, He CONDEMNED sin in the flesh--He had the exact same nature we have, yet NEVER SINNED! Now the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled "IN US" (v4)...so how do we now keep His law?...by walking according to the SPIRIT!
So there were laws before moses but moses was given a system of law, The ten commandments and the ceremonial law and it was given to the Israelites. Exodus 20:2 You agree?
Notice also after Adam & Eve sinned, broke God's law, He had them sacrifice animals, in all probability lambs, for their sin. Then God took the skins of those animals and clothed them. Gen 3:21
Throughout Genesis we read that those who followed God knew of and offered sacrifices, from Adam & Eve to Abel to Abraham to Jacob to Moses before Sinai.
All those sacrifices foreshadowed the day when the Lamb of God would offer Himself for all our sin, breaking His Ten Commandments. John 1:29.
Thanks Nirky, It doesn`t mean anything, just there is no record of ten commandments before moses so lets read whats there not what we want to be there. No sabbath keepers are either.
Before I read back your comments...If incest was considered a sin before Moses then we would have to say that some of the biggest sinners would include Abram who married his sister, Isaac who married his 1st cousin, Jacob who married 2 (not 1) cousins. It was the norm when the population of Earth was growing.
Love to comment on all of that but What say you on?
No record of any 10 commandments before moses. No sabbath believing bible person recorded before moses. No sabbath keeping reference before moses. the law was added by god at the time of moses to increase Transgressions for the Jews only.... not the Gentiles. These statements seems a stumbling block for you. It doesnt conclusively prove much but it is some facts to agree on for starters. Is that so hard?
We know from scripture that after the Cross, sin is breaking God's law, His Ten Commandments. Rom 7:7, 22, James 2:10-12.
But what about before the Cross, and before Moses? God does not reveal to us the giving of any of His Ten Commandments before Moses. Does this mean that all who obeyed Him before Moses He did not give His law, His Ten Commandments?
Joseph, when confronted by the temptation of adultery with Potiphar's wife, responded: "How then can I do this great wickedness, and SIN against God?" Gen 39:9.
How did Joseph know that adultery was sin? Where is the record of His giving of the 7th Commandment in Genesis? It is nowhere, you will not find that record in Genesis. Yet transgressing God's 7th Commandment was sin before Moses, before Sinai, just as it is sin today.
Will we attempt to deny Him by "I don't see a record", or will we have faith to BELIEVE God when He says through Paul that where there is no law to transgress, there can be no sin (Rom 5:12-13), and ALL have sinned, all have broken God's eternal law (Rom 3:23), from Adam to Moses to now?
Its time to address my statements. start with just a few. No record of any 10 commandments before moses. No sabbath believing bible identity before moses. No sabbath keeping reference before moses. the law was added by god at the time of moses to increase Transgressions for the Jews only.... not the Gentiles. What u say?
Time to acknowledge these elementary truths. From that point we can go on to build ourcase.
Paul tells us God's eternal law has always been with us, the transgression of which is called "sin". Sin did not begin at Mt. Sinai.
God's people, who had been slaves in Egypt for a long time, had lost knowledge of Him and His ways. At Sinai God gave His people His law after bringing them out BONDAGE, just as today He brings us out of bondage of sin, all who purpose to obey Him He forgives and shows His will.
"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Rom 3:20
God's law does not justify us, rather it shows us what is constitutes sin. So sin is the breaking of which law? After the Cross, which law defines what constitutes sin?
"For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law." James 2:10-11
James, the brother of Jesus, tells us that if we break one Commandment, we are guilty of all, breaking "the whole law", God's Ten Commandments. Thus those who follow Christ "speak and do" according to the Ten (v12).
After checking your correction I think it might be a mute point as shown in Romans 5:20 The law was added so that transgressions might increase. Romans 5:13 states before the law(Moral code) was given (before Sinai is my only reference) sin was in the world.14: death reigned even over those who did not sin by breaking a command.
There is no reference to 10 commands or Sabbath keeping or incest or Polygamy by any one person till Sinai and the handing down by god 10 commands.
So since man has always had God's law, which defines what constitutes sin, we know it is here with us today, because we do sin today. Which law, from Adam to now, is the law which tells us what is sin?
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” Rom 7:7
I stand corrected but more laws to transgress anyhow. Before moses their wasn't ten moral and 600 ceremonial laws so he added a lot. I can only find a few moral laws for instance. One moral code is given to Noah gen 9:6 whoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed. But no guide lines on incest bigamy etc as these were part of populating the earth after adam then Noah. In other words the commandments were given to the Israelites not before as stated in Exodus 20.2 Wt u say
The law was added to increase transgressions. Before moses their wasn't ten moral and 600 ceremonial laws so he added a lot. I can only find a few moral laws for instance. One moral code is given to Noah gen 9:6 whoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed. But no guide lines on incest bigamy etc as these were part of populating the earth after adam then Noah. In other words the ten commandment were given to the Israelites not before as stated in Exodus 20.2
I'm sorry, but you are misquoting scripture. The sacrificial law was "added BECAUSE of transgressions" (Gal 3:19), not to increase transgressions.
Paul tells us God's pre-existing law was transgressed, therefore another law was added because of that transgressing of the existing law.
This added law Paul tells us was the ceremonial law in the book of the law (Gal 3:10), which sacrifices pointed forward to the day that Jesus would sacrifice Himself for breaking His eternal law of love.
@Nirky we have a sin debt resulting from Adams breaking a command of god. That law doesnt exist now for the tree isn`t around any more. Law was added later but our sinful nature was formed at that point. No laws are required for us to be sinners. God created a nation to represent him on earth then The Written code was added . Col 2:14 clearly states the cancelling of the written code (10 commandments written by god) and its regulations(ceremonial) nailing them to the cross.
Paul in Col 2:14-17 talks about the yearly new moon meat & drink offering sabbaths, shadow ordinances of good things to come (See Lev ch23 for a complete list of these annual ceremonial sabbaths) which pointed forward to deliverance from sin. See also Eph 2:15.
This is why we do not sacrifice animals anymore, nor offer meat and drink and grain offerings, nor go through ceremonial washings to represent His sinless life, we now have the real substance, His perfect sacrifice for our sin!
Adam broke God's law, and in doing so passed down his self-centered, sinful nature to us. But what about this "sin debt" idea? Does Paul teach that we inherited a "sin debt"?
"death passed to all men, BECAUSE ALL SINNED." Rom 5:12
Death passed down to us, because in our weakened selfish state, we all, each and every one of us, sinned. Paul wants us to know even in our weak state we are all responsible for our OWN sins.
@damted "Sin debt" wasn`t a direct quote, But nevertheless it is our reality as the curse of Adams sin Is why I am A sinner now. That sin debt caused by Adam was paid in full By Christs Death Of course.
@damted my brother/sister, we dont make ourselves out to be like anything.. We simply follow god.. There is no hidden SDA plans or fronts we show. I do not understand what your hatred toward the SDA church is but I hope that you find God. Through any christian religion. The important thing is to follow him and then rejoice with your fellow brethren. I love good and I will forever be grateful for his blessings and exalt him. There is nothing wrong with that.
romans 10:4 Christ is an end of the law so that righteousness for every one who believes. The Gentiles never received the Law. Now they are saved by grace just as the jews are. God never gave the gentiles a cerermonial law or moral law. Paul says that grace to the Gentiles is a mystery. Have you heard that before?
There is NO righteousness in ourselves, because we have all sinned (Rom 3:23), we have ALL fallen short of God's glory, and are in desperate need of a Savior. Therefore we of ourselves can do NOTHING to make us righteous.
Justification can only be obtained by having saving faith in Jesus (Rom 3:30, Gal 3:8), because He came and lived the life we should have, and died the death we deserved.
Regarding gentiles and Jews, neither was EVER justified and therefore saved by keeping any law, not the law of Moses, and not the law of God:
"What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Romans 4:1-4
@Nirky You are right the law was added to increase transgressions. Its only power is to condemn not save. It existed for a moment in time. Man has only ever been saved by faith.
That withstanding the law existed between moses and the seed (JESUS). The Jews Had a law that demanded works. We are the Gentiles who have recieved the Mystery of Grace from the revelation of Paul. Eph 3:2 We are saved by faith alone by his Grace
"What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made." Gal 3:19
Because of sin, transgressing God's law, His Ten Commandments (1 Jn 3:4), God added the sacrificial ceremonial laws--the book of the law--with their animal sacrifices, meat & drink offerings, all pointing forward to the one day when the Seed, Jesus, would sacrifice Himself for the sins of the world. John 1:29
@Nirky The law was added so it didn't exist before moses. Sin existed without a law system. Where does it support the view that the ceremonial and moral laws can stand separated? As I undstand it the law stands and falls as a whole or not at all. Both ceremonial and moral, after all man couldn`t keep either perfectly. . Only a sin debt existed due to original sin with a rudimentary sacrifice for sin as demonstrated by Cain and Able existed to moses not the ten commandments .
"Sin" is transgression of His law. 1 John 3:4. For sin to exist, there must be a law defining what constitutes "sin".
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.)" Rom 5:12-13
The law that was ADDED because of sin--transgressing His existing Commandments--was the sacrificial law, the book of the law (Gal 3:10).
Nirky So Rom 2:14 the gentiles who do not have the law do by nature the things the law require, they are a law unto themselves even though they dont have the law, is us right?
"But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: “ Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.” Rom 4:5-8
Are you a Gentile or Circumcised Jew? Gal 3:24,25 the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified faith. Now that faith has come , we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Amen
That's right, that was the purpose of the sacrificial law in the book of the law (Galatians 3:10), our schoolmaster to point us towards the Cross, Jesus' perfect sacrifice of which is our only source of justification (Galatians 3:11).
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We need to tests the spirits, even if we receive a vision and when she is tested against the bible, she comes up short.
I'm sure she was a wonderful lady and loved God dearly, so please don't get me wrong, but she had a few teachings that threaten ones salvation and has to be studied carefully.
Her teachings about the sabbath are of the letter and not the Spirit. They are of the old covenant. She also prophesied the return of Christ and then taught that God covered the mistake with his hand.
She claimed that had the people been more faithful, things would have been different and Christ would have came at a before prophesied time.
Alot of the doctrines taught in the sda church revolve around Ellen White and what she believed about the bible and her having the spirit of prophecy .
If she is a prophet of the one true God, then what she says must match up with Gods word, especially when she speaks a message that she says came from God.
we need to be attuned in the same mind there is but one church, names of churches only separate truth , we need to be one church and also attuned in the same mind towards christ and the church
"Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring to the rhetorical or literary tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance"
All discussions like these, over doctrinal issues, are "red herrings", all designed by the enemy of all to take our focus off Jesus. Do you not think that Jesus is powerful enough to bring all those who seek Him into His kingdom? Anything the devil can do to take us away from a focus on Him, if it works, he's happy with it.
We come to Jesus, through prayer, through study of His word - for the purpose of getting to know Him, not for the purpose of studying doctrine to try to prove our points above others - and through service to others for His sake. The enemy comes in and puts us against each other, and sits back and laughs as those who call themselves Christians, and profess to follow Jesus, throw mud at each other, thus making a mockery of His name. If we look to Jesus instead of each other, He will draw us to HIm
This is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" - John 17:3. Salvation is not about what you do, but Who you know will change what you do. Jesus will not leave us as He found us. He will change us, by His grace, into His image. Eph 4:22-21 describes in detail some of the changes Jesus will bring into our lives. It's Jesus who changes us, and not we ourselves.
@TheMariwood that should be Eph 4:22 - 5:21. This is not a list of legal requirements, but a description of how Jesus changes us when we come to Him. His is the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Without Him we can do nothing. With Him, all things are possible, to them that believe (Mark 10:27). I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me (Phil 4:13) Praise God for the freedom He has given us, through Jesus. We are no longer prisoners to our sinful thoughts and habits.
seventh day adventists dont consider Ellen G White a god or someone that we should pray to...Im a 7th day adventist and we are taught that god is the one to love, not the church. We study the bible and that is why we answer question by using the bible.we are not a cult or a weird other thing, get it right people.
@daDopeArtist The SDA church is just that.... making them selves out to be different to other protestant churches because they have special insight into the bible. Heb1:1 in the past god spoke to us by his prophets but now....has spoken to us by his son.
The spiritual gift of prophecy is for the church and for many not ONE like an old testament prophet.
@daDopeArtist I am a jew but your church has really sparked my interest as you love the Torah of G-d and honor the Shabbat. I want to know more. I know you people love G-d and are not part of the Constantinian religion which hates Jews.
@JarheadPatriot0311 LOL go Jarhead, I`m a Gentile remember, god dealt with us very harshly by the hand of the jews and god himself as we weren`t his chosen people. I thank god he has made provision in the new covenant for Jews and Gentiles. Now I will put another shrimp on the Barbie
Greek word justification means not make righteous as we are reformed, but accepted as righteous, declared righteous Even if I fall, I am accepted in Him
In my place He stood, sealed me w His blood. Justified to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
Not struggling to have faith, but looking after the faithful1. Faith is Gods gift to all that hear the gospel if u dont reject it. Salvation a matter of grace. By grace saved through faith, a gift of God
Greek word justification means not make righteous as we are reformed, but accepted as righteous, declared righteous Even if I fall, I am accepted in Him
In my place He stood, sealed me w His blood. Justified to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
Not struggling to have faith, but looking after the faithful1. Faith is Gods gift to all that hear the gospel if u dont reject it. Salvation a matter of grace. By grace saved through faith, a gift of God
Religious inflicted people ASSUME TOO MUCH. They lean on a 2000+year old ancient book written and rewritten by man made stories and delusional,imaginary feelings. Their thinking is distorted and are mentally confused. the burden of proof is on the believer not the disbeliever.
@sciencevsreligion01 I have one simple question for you. How did we get here if there is no Creator? What do you believe regarding our origin? Science and religion don't contradict each other.
It is true that many Adventist still eat flesh food. But Mrs. White, prophet or not, is being proved right by the medical community, in her writtings on flesh food and the toxins that enter the body. Cancer, high cholesterol, hypertension, and all of the western diseases are being attributed to flesh foods. Ask yourself this question. Will the diet in the new earth be the same as the diet God gave our first parents in Eden? Will there be any death in Eden Restored, even by cooking?
Daniel and his three friends, refused the diet of the King's meat and wine and chose to eat a whole plant food diet, a vegan diet and to drink pure water. This was a ten day trial to see which diet was better, God's or King Nebuchadnezzer's. Nebuchadnezzar must have been eating a high fat, high protein diet of dead animals most of his life. It is fair to assume that the King must have been very toxic and perhaps even constipated from time to time from the fiberless feasts.
Paul says:"7Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?" 2 Corinthians 11:7 (King James Version). "So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver" (2 Corinthians 9:7).Thiting back then were lambs, offerings what you harvested. We have all payments, bills, rental house to pay!!! How SDAs keeps wanting too much money like that!!!
They are money hungry; they lure you to their churches. Then they tell you to pay 10% of your checks,& you shouldnot eat pork, quail,frog meats..., neither cat fish. This is a weirdest denomination I've ever seen. In their services, they always say aloud to destroy the Catholics. In their booklets, they always say Catholic pope is the AntiChrist/ the Beast/ the whore of Babylon. They say Catholics are Con-men, whores, thieves.They throw off on Catholics like that just to get money!!!
One expose' there is no 'Seventh-Day Adventist Church' in the bible from Genesis to Revelation. Are you going to give your life to a church not being mentioned by God in the bible? Do not waste your lives to a church not written in the bible. Experience teachings not being taught by priests and born again pastors. We offer free bible study and free bible. Log on to THEOLDPATH .TV ...A single dot and comma in the bible is very important in the salvation of souls. LOG ON NOW. IT IS FREE
God's word is indeed many times confusing, that is why we all need the GUIDANCE OF HOLY SPIRIT, THE SEAL OF GOD.
Those who reject the SEAL, substituing it by their own hands' works, ARE FAR FROM THE MOST DIFFICULT PARTS OF COMPREHENSION OF SATAN's DECEIVE. The enemy is MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT THAN HUMANS. Please go to The TRULY GOSPEL, AND ABANDON CHRISTMAS, PAINTINGS, BOOKS OF HUMANS, ETC. TIME IS ALMOST OVER!!
False chrsitian churches doing PAINTINGS OF THE SON OF GOD, PROHIBED IN THE HOLY BIBLE. MAKING MINIATURE THE JESUS's sacrifice by representing the CROSS LIKE A RIDICULE MINIATURE IN THEIR LOGO. A GIANT MASONIC FLAME, BUT AN INSIGNIFICANT CROSS. MASONIC DAUGHTER.
@chegaDsaudade stop wasting ur time critisizing this church. their aim is to bring people closer to god. they are doing nothing wrong. if you are christian then you should be glad this church is spreading the LOVE of GOD.
@MsFobstar I must say, you should be embarrased at your statement. You are advocating the opposite of what the bible says. Prove all things... 1Thes. 5:21 Spreading the Love of God is a good thing. But it's the truth of The Bible that is of utmost importance as the love is a subset of the truth.
If you knew your bible you'd appreciate that this church as nice as they are, they are preaching confusion
Dear friends, I had intended to write to you about the salvation we share.
But something has come up. It demands that I write to you and encourage you to continue your fight for the Christian faith that was entrusted to God's holy people ONCE FOR ALL TIME.
Even in Jude's day, God had said everything he needed to say. The cannon was closed.
Paul said, "that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; …commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."
(1 Timothy 4:1,3). The Bible clearly declares that to teach to abstain from meats is a "departing from the faith".
Ellen White is advocating not eating any flesh meat whatsoever.
Ellen G. White: "Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh-meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. Let not our ministers animalize their own nature and the nature of their children." (Spalding and Magan, p.211).
Ellen White the prophet is stating that eating flesh meats is 'evil'. And that the ministers should abstain as a good example to the sheep, the flock.
"And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover (lamb) with you before I suffer:" (Luke 22:15).
NOTE: The traditional passover dinner which Jesus ate with His disciples included eating a roasted lamb: "And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it." (Exodus 12:8).
When Elijah was by the brook Cherith, "… the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook." (1 Kings 17:6).
Why did God feed Elijah with bread and "flesh" if that would set an "evil example"? Why not bread and cucumbers; or bread and carrots?
Ellen White is saying that which is contrary to what the bible says.
Whether you like it or not ... there is a very very big issue here.
"We bare positive testimony against tobacco, rich cakes, spirituous liquors, snuff, tea, coffee, flesh meats, butter, spice, mince pies." (Testimonies to the Church, Volume 3, p.21).
Ellen White has categorized cakes, mince pies and butter as being as bad as tobacco and liquor.
As a none drinking or smoking adventist, you shouldn't be partaking in any of the others either, since they are all as sinful, they are all in the same category.
@ServiceProcess I would like to respond. God, when He created this planet, created it without the blemish of sin. God gave our first parents the Garden of Eden, and told them what thier diet would consist of, Gen.1:29&2:9,16. After Adem lost his dominion of earth to Satan and was driven from his garden home, God added to his diet, Gen. 3:18. Was not changed until after the flood. Gen.7:2,8 & 8:20 & 9:3,4.
You read of Daniel and his 3 friends in Dan. 1 resorted to an all vegi diet.
@johnstumph If you look at what i've written, and the issues i've posed. Then look at what you call your answer. You will realise that you've not actually attempted to answer the question i'm asking. You've just tried to give me a religious reason to justify your dietary choice.
MsFobstar played it better by not answering at all. You can't answer the don't eat cakes and butter directive from God through Ellen White because it contradicts the bible.
@ServiceProcess when God comes, then we can ask him. until then, i'll keep looking. (i'm still a youth) but what I dont get is that god wrote the ten commandments right? so every single christian should follow them. but does everyone follow it? no. we are all given a choice.
@MsFobstar Please look at what you are saying here. You may not be able to deal with what has been said and so your statement ignores it and instead says 'well ... we'll deal with that when God comes'.
Is that a Christian approach to things. Doesn't the bible say prove all things. Not put them off because you don't want do deal with them.
Is that how the Muslim should act them. He see's there is a problem with islam, is interested in Jesus, but decides to put it off until Allah comes ?.
That's true, we all have free will to make our choices based on what He says.
He says to have faith to follow Him, through faith obeying Him out of love. How we respond to His saving grace, His death for our breaking of His law, shows how much we love Him. Jn 14:15.
If we claim Him as our Savior but go back to our sinful lifestyle, even attempting to justify our sins after knowing the truth, we show that we didn't really know Him at all.
@ServiceProcess so if ellen white wrote a book stating the sin of meat eating, is every single sda gonna follow it? no, cause they have the power of choice. the diet and the ten commandments are there to help us have a happier life, but are we gonna HAVE follow it? no, because we have a power of choice.
correct me please if there is any faults in this. :)
Sin is defined as being against God. So ... it's anything that's against God. Murder is sin because to murder would be against God's word. If God said to Ellen White that meat eating is sin. Then to eat meat is to sin (that ties in with what Ellen White says). Now ... The bible says that there is nomore forgiveness for those who wilfully sin after receiving the word of the truth.
Continued: Jews claim that The Sabbath was never meant for goyim. And a gentile must profane it, if they want to commemorate that day. One concern of the early church, was judaization regarding Saturday worship. I have also read that people celebrated both days, at one time.
protestantamerican 2 weeks ago
I say there is no argument in that Sunday--the day of resurection--become the official day of worship by the early church. Versus the actual sabbath, of wich was also homaged by the early church, until it was officially changed. I worship at an institution on Sunday. Although i homage Saturday as the biblical day specified.
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Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins..
So, these are a select group of saints in the Tribulation, who are keeping the Mosaic law and are called "VIRGINS," who number 144,000 (MALES) and are of the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL and have not been DEFILED WITH WOMEN
They are present at the marriage of the Lamb, but they don't marry the Bridegroom (see Psa.45).
Watch on youtube "BE HONEST ABOUT THE SABBATH"
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AWHNNOH 7 months ago
It's amazing how otherwise educated adults give in to, and actually believe in the false promises and other BS they are fed at church and through the bible. A pure fabrication.
Has anyone here attempted verification of any of these religious claims? It's very amusing how deep the discussions can go, investigating only inside the beliefs and referring to the bible and other supporting documents ONLY. The only thing proven here is that it's a prime example of religious dogma at work.
d993s 7 months ago
@d993s
What type of verification are you looking for?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@d993s
Psalm 14:1 The fool has said in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt,
They have done abominable works,
There is none who does good.
BlueFJ4X4 2 weeks ago
The leaders of SDA will be judge for what they have done. Truly for all the members can´t you see they are stealing money in your pocket? Wake up people go out from that church. And read Ellen G. White´s book. research for the truth. The pastors are making thier own teaching not from God. All they want is to harvest money.
dotskee 7 months ago
@dotskee are you reform?
jhonene 3 months ago
@jhonene Reform? I have no religion and i am not a christian. For the true meaning of religion is to live the life of Christ and to be a christian is to have knowlegde of God´s love. Christians nowadays are posses by false teachings. No matter how much they read the bible it can only be seen through the fruits of thier life. Gal. 5:25-26 Those who claim to be a christian and are hypocrite and arrogant how shameful.
dotskee 2 weeks ago
@dotskee
You're not a Christian and have no religion, yet you come on here and criticize Adventists? NOW, who's the hypocrite? You don't have a leg to stand on.
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dotskee 14 hours ago
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Criticize? huh, i am only telling the hidden truth of SDA. If you are an educated person as you say. Then try to search the diffrence between criticizing and truth? I can be a hypocrite in your eyes but i thank you for that. I believe Jesus will not tell me that. What i´m saying is if those pastors are called Christians where in the bible is it written to steal money in your own church? And teach that everyone must offer money to be saved? How shameful wake up my friend :)
dotskee 14 hours ago
@dotskee
In which church are they preaching you must give money to be saved. In which church are pastors stealing money. Give specific examples, name the churches. Back up what you are claiming.
BlueFJ4X4 7 hours ago
@dotskee I see ^_^
jhonene 1 week ago
How about this? Pastors fight each other, sue one another even the members then is that the fruit of the holy spirit or a fruit of demons? They even rent the most expensive hotels to hold a meeting instead of holding it inside there churches. Wow! what else can i say about SDA? Sabbath keepers? They keep thier own sabbath as a cooking day and a festival day for thier guest. Then did Ellen G. White did not mention the prophecy about the " Laudicia church who become hot and cold?
dotskee 14 hours ago
@dotskee
Again, give me examples... give the names of pastors who are fighting and suing each other.
BlueFJ4X4 7 hours ago
@dotskee
All churches need money to stay operational. It's up to the members to give if they want to have a place in which to worship.
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Yes obcourse logically but announcing inside the church who gave the highest amount of money is wrong. How about those who have no money? Those members are even step aside because they cannot give anny offering then what kind of church is that?
dotskee 14 hours ago
@dotskee
What church announces the amount it's members give or make members step aside if they can't give? I've never seen that. Give me examples as in what church and where.
BlueFJ4X4 8 hours ago
SDA are thieves specially the leaders they are preaching to give money using the bible. They never keep the thier sabbath mostly members are hiding going to shopping eating shrimps and crabs even swine. Even Ellen G. White said God already left in that church. And they are preaching all religion will go to hell and only them will be saved. Is that the preach of Christ?
dotskee 7 months ago
@dotskee
What kind of English is this?
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dotskee 2 weeks ago
Oh i´m really sorry my friend my english is very poor. I do still hope you can understand me :)
dotskee 14 hours ago
who said they are not free. jesus said he came to forfill the law in matthew. and galatians 4 vs 25 does not say the we ought not to be beguiled about keeping the sabbath. u dont follow His word because u are a slave to it but because u love the lord.
siscotta 8 months ago
Well, could it be your leading people down the wrong path SDV? You teach your soul sleeps after death. Isaiah14:9-10 Tells us, that the dead are agitated and speaking. 1Samuel 1:28 tells of Samuel conversing with Saul after his death. Those that died are more alive than we are, and they surround us like a great cloud of witnesses. (Heb 12:1). So, please stop spreading lies and discord. Peace.
michael61778 9 months ago
@michael61778 You misquoted 1 Sam 1:28 It says, "Therefore I also have lent him to the Lord; as long as he lives he shall be lent to the Lord. So they worshiped the Lord there." Be careful pal, remeber Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 "5. For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. 6. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they share in anything done under the sun."
fortna2010 8 months ago
1 samuel 1 vs 28 does not talk about what u said.Samuel died before Saul so i dont know what u re talking about. are u talking about the time saul went to the witch in order to talk to the ghost of samuel? look at the person he went to.... a witch! christians dont associate with evil spirts.he could have talked directly to God but no a witch.Hebrews 1 vs 12 is not talking about the dead. pls read ur bible carefully so that u wont be spreading lies and false doctrines. thank u
siscotta 8 months ago
Still think we are a cult?
AirsoftCentralTV 9 months ago
I hope this has made an impact for all people to open their bibles-its so easy to loss track of time to read, especially with our busy lives but we should (me especially) remember that by spending time with God we learn more and become closer to Him. There aren't many devote Christians where I live-Sunderland-England, but I doesn't stop us from building relationships with people who know nothing at all about God. We need to break down the wall of secularism by the power of God and reach people
ambermaxful 9 months ago
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To You and ALL 7th ADVENTISTS:
You should read these two letters "One Truth, One Church, One Body, No Walls...Only One Spirit and Love in Christ, Forever and Ever!" and "The Prophets Have Been Called and Sent Out to Sound the Trumpet, and to Restore the Light to the Dwindling Flame of the Churches" in TrumpetCallofGodOnline . com website. Yes, Hear what God of Israel YAHUWAH say to Our generation by His chosen prophets. Please do it. Do it today.
Best Regards and may YAHUWAH Bless You.
ScientistALRIII 10 months ago
Why do Adventists claim to have devotion to the Bible when they believe that the writings of Ellen White are greater than the Bible. If they followed the bible, they would abandon their hostility toward other Christians about the day of the Sabbath.
Until Adventists return to following just the bible, other Christians will continue wondering if they are a cult. Paul said, "If we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you...let him be accursed.
protochris 10 months ago
@protochris Where did you hear that??? Ellen White herself said that the bible is the authority and that her own writings are a commentary. She criticised people for elevating her writings above what they should be. No true adventist believes that.
indimedia 10 months ago
@indimedia The Adventists do teach that she is the "forerunner" to Christ, and a Prophetess. If her writings are inerrant and prophetical, then they would be at least considered on par with scripture. The problem is when EG White teaches something contrary to scripture, Adventists accept her claims above scripture.
protochris 10 months ago
@protochris I'm an Adventist who works for the church and I produce material about Adventist beliefs.
To clarify:
1 - Adventists DO NOT claim EGW above scripture, the bible is the authority.
2 - Adventists believe God used EGW to deliver a message, she never claimed or used the word prophet, only messenger. (I have no problem with prophet label)
3 - Not ALL of her writings are 'inspired', most are letters and opinion pieces. She like all of us grew in her faith & understanding over time
indimedia 10 months ago
@indimedia If EGW is a messenger or prophetess, then you would regard her teachings as "essential" to the faith of Jesus Christ. If her message is essential to understanding the "fulness" of the faith, then in the least you regard her "official" teachings on par with all canonized scripture. So then, do you in the least regard her official teachings on par with Holy Scripture in the context of divine inspiration or do you accept her merely as a prophet of your chuch with whom you agree.
protochris 10 months ago
@protochris Adventists believe the bible is the authority. EGW has great insights in the bible which we believe God showed her and her writings are commentary on the biblical themes. NO her works are not on par with the bible, she was given 'biblical insight' and a role to play for these days. Nor are all of her writings considered 'inspired', is EVERYTHING matthew, mark, luke or john have ever written inspired, no. I'm not going to bash you with Adventism, just want to put the record straight.
indimedia 10 months ago
@indimedia 1st, yes, everything that Matthew, Mark, Luke or John wrote "about Jesus" is inspired. If we find any new writings of theirs about him, it will instantly become scripture because they were eyewitnesses of his life. So, my question is whether or not you regard every doctrinal statement that EG White made about Jesus inspired. If all are not inspired, then you would admit, she could be subject to erroneous teachings about Jesus Christ, and those who hold her as a prophet could follow.
protochris 10 months ago
@protochris I did not ask if everything matthew, mark, luke & john wrote "about jesus" was inspired. I asked is everything they ever wrote (that is everything, letters to mum etc) was inspired. (Be careful how you twist my words please) I believe the "conflict of the ages" series to be inspired. The rest makes interesting reading. But my theology comes from the bible. Do you believe in this concept that people like the disciples and prophets are "saints" and that they are in some way "holy" ?
indimedia 10 months ago
@indimedia I don't believe I twisted your words. We were speaking in the context of the bible and theology, not personal memos. If EG White wrote about gardening, no one would be critical of her. I don't know of any of her writings except the "Great Controversy". I do know Adventists hold unorthodox beliefs about Christ based not on basic biblical readings, but on the EG White's interpretations. We are all saints, "Set Apart" by God, especially the Apostles-just like the 7th day.
protochris 10 months ago
@protochris I believe the series "The conflict of the ages" is an "inspired commentary of the bible" and is not meant to replace or be thought of as equal to the bible (this includes "the great controversy"). Other EGW books where compiled after her death (without her approval) of letters and writings which is not part of her inspired writings.
Can you outline the unorthodox beliefs so we can discuss? Thanks for discussing not bashing ;)
indimedia 10 months ago
@indimedia I would disagree with the belief that Christ's redemptive work at the cross was incomplete, that the "mark of the beast" represents a day of worship, and that Jesus and Michael the Archangel are the same being. I also disagree with EG White's historical teachings, especially that Constantine changed the Sabbath from 7th to 1st day in the 4th century, which we now know from history to be incorrect.
protochris 10 months ago
@protochris OK cool - I'm at work right now. Let me create a response to those topics. i might have to post them off youtube as you can't put much info here.
indimedia 10 months ago
@protochris Just wanted to say I respect you protochris, for the same reason that indimedia said. Most accusers of Adventists come on here and say things like "You're a demonic cult, EGW was a false prophet" blah blah blah. They have no idea how to back their statements up.
At least you've got proper reasons. These are some of the things I didn't understand before I was baptized and joined the Adventist church either. I think indimedia will do well explaining these things if you're interested.
GamerDude573 10 months ago
@GamerDude573 I appreciate the respect. I get accused of the same sort of things because I'm Catholic. I've been told I worship Mary, worship the beast (Satan), worship Idols, and worship the wrong jesus. I'm not offended by it anymore. I just fix my eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfector of our faith. I believe I'm familiar with most Adventists teachings, except probably the Investigative Judgement.
protochris 10 months ago
All who claim to be Sabbath-keeping Adventists, and yet continue in sin, are liars in God's sight. Their sinful course is counterworking the work of God. They are leading others into sin. The word comes from God to every member of our churches, "And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Ellen G White wrote this since 1987
dotskee 13 hours ago
- looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears." Hebrews 12:13-17.
dotskee 13 hours ago
@indimedia Hey buddy. You're back! We missed you for the past month. FatTonyAU deleted his account and changed his name to "BibleJesusChristian". Furthermore, there are a lot of people debating with him right now. We'd love to see you there. Hope you're having (or are going to have) a great Sabbath. God bless brother.
GamerDude573 10 months ago
@GamerDude573 Hey, I've been traveling for work for awhile and have no had time to get online. I'll be back for a bit then away again and then back etc
indimedia 10 months ago
@GamerDude573 Its funny, I just made a comment on a "BibleJesusChristian" video (who we know as FatTonyAU) it was a nice comment about how I believe in EGW writings and love being part of the Adventist faith and he has blocked me from commenting on all his video's. It's a little ironic that someone basing my faith and demanding answers will block me from giving them
indimedia 10 months ago
@indimedia From what I remember, FatTonyAU couldn't answer many of the questions you used to ask him. It's funny how someone will block you or mark your comments as spam (even if it is a reasonable, polite statement) just because they don't agree with it. Can't they just mark it with a thumbs down?
Also, I think that some accusers of Adventists on here (not mentioning names) need to swallow their pride when they can't answer and admit that they might be mistaken rather than using hateful words.
GamerDude573 10 months ago
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@protochris Where did you hear that??? Ellen White herself said that the bible is the authority and that her own writings are a commentary. She criticised people for elevating her writings above what they should be. No true adventist believes that.
indimedia 10 months ago
Agreed. The thing is Nirky, We now are not under the supervision of any law. Gal 3:25.
If you are led by the spirit you are not under law .Gal 5.18 .
However We not all is right in our life.
Our Human nature is sinful. This is the battleground for us now.
Not trying to keep a law that brings condemnation.
But living a life led by the spirit not by the flesh.
damted 10 months ago
@damted
"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." Gal 3:24-25
They kept the ceremonial law in the book of the law (verse 10) by faith, waiting for the day when the faith should come-Jesus! After faith has come (Christ) we are no longer under a tutor, the tutor being of course the book of the law, with its ceremonies & sacrifices, which shadowed the real substance, Jesus..
Nirky 10 months ago 4
@damted
"I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Gal 5:16-18
Nirky 10 months ago 4
@damted
Amen! When we are led by His Spirit, He leads us AWAY from sin. Before a person had His Spirit, he was led by his human nature, gravitating towards lusts revealed by the law, for the law says do not covet, do not commit adultery, but we were once helpless to overcome our sinful nature.
But now, we have His power by His Spirit to overcome sin, we are not under the power of the law:
"Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts." Rom 6:12
Nirky 10 months ago 4
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@damted
"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Rom 8:1-3
The law of the Spirit of life has made us free from the law of sin and death, which law stated: "you sin, you die":
"The soul that sins shall die." Eze 18:4
"The wages of sin is death." Rom 6:23
Paul continues in Rom 8:
Nirky 10 months ago
@damted
The law was weak...why?..."THE FLESH", that is, because of our sinful human nature made it impossible to keep His Spiritual law (Rom 7:14), His Ten Commandments.
But now Jesus came IN THE SAME SINFUL FLESH--He had our SAME sinful human nature (v3), but He overcame, He CONDEMNED sin in the flesh--He had the exact same nature we have, yet NEVER SINNED! Now the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled "IN US" (v4)...so how do we now keep His law?...by walking according to the SPIRIT!
Nirky 10 months ago 3
So there were laws before moses but moses was given a system of law, The ten commandments and the ceremonial law and it was given to the Israelites. Exodus 20:2 You agree?
damted 10 months ago
@damted
Notice also after Adam & Eve sinned, broke God's law, He had them sacrifice animals, in all probability lambs, for their sin. Then God took the skins of those animals and clothed them. Gen 3:21
Throughout Genesis we read that those who followed God knew of and offered sacrifices, from Adam & Eve to Abel to Abraham to Jacob to Moses before Sinai.
All those sacrifices foreshadowed the day when the Lamb of God would offer Himself for all our sin, breaking His Ten Commandments. John 1:29.
Nirky 10 months ago 4
Thanks Nirky, It doesn`t mean anything, just there is no record of ten commandments before moses so lets read whats there not what we want to be there. No sabbath keepers are either.
Before I read back your comments...If incest was considered a sin before Moses then we would have to say that some of the biggest sinners would include Abram who married his sister, Isaac who married his 1st cousin, Jacob who married 2 (not 1) cousins. It was the norm when the population of Earth was growing.
damted 10 months ago
Love to comment on all of that but What say you on?
No record of any 10 commandments before moses. No sabbath believing bible person recorded before moses. No sabbath keeping reference before moses. the law was added by god at the time of moses to increase Transgressions for the Jews only.... not the Gentiles. These statements seems a stumbling block for you. It doesnt conclusively prove much but it is some facts to agree on for starters. Is that so hard?
damted 10 months ago
@damted
We know from scripture that after the Cross, sin is breaking God's law, His Ten Commandments. Rom 7:7, 22, James 2:10-12.
But what about before the Cross, and before Moses? God does not reveal to us the giving of any of His Ten Commandments before Moses. Does this mean that all who obeyed Him before Moses He did not give His law, His Ten Commandments?
Nirky 10 months ago 3
@damted
Joseph, when confronted by the temptation of adultery with Potiphar's wife, responded: "How then can I do this great wickedness, and SIN against God?" Gen 39:9.
How did Joseph know that adultery was sin? Where is the record of His giving of the 7th Commandment in Genesis? It is nowhere, you will not find that record in Genesis. Yet transgressing God's 7th Commandment was sin before Moses, before Sinai, just as it is sin today.
Nirky 10 months ago 4
@damted
Will we attempt to deny Him by "I don't see a record", or will we have faith to BELIEVE God when He says through Paul that where there is no law to transgress, there can be no sin (Rom 5:12-13), and ALL have sinned, all have broken God's eternal law (Rom 3:23), from Adam to Moses to now?
Nirky 10 months ago 6
Its time to address my statements. start with just a few. No record of any 10 commandments before moses. No sabbath believing bible identity before moses. No sabbath keeping reference before moses. the law was added by god at the time of moses to increase Transgressions for the Jews only.... not the Gentiles. What u say?
Time to acknowledge these elementary truths. From that point we can go on to build ourcase.
damted 10 months ago
@damted
Paul tells us God's eternal law has always been with us, the transgression of which is called "sin". Sin did not begin at Mt. Sinai.
God's people, who had been slaves in Egypt for a long time, had lost knowledge of Him and His ways. At Sinai God gave His people His law after bringing them out BONDAGE, just as today He brings us out of bondage of sin, all who purpose to obey Him He forgives and shows His will.
Nirky 10 months ago 5
@damted
"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Rom 3:20
God's law does not justify us, rather it shows us what is constitutes sin. So sin is the breaking of which law? After the Cross, which law defines what constitutes sin?
Nirky 10 months ago 6
@damted
"For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law." James 2:10-11
James, the brother of Jesus, tells us that if we break one Commandment, we are guilty of all, breaking "the whole law", God's Ten Commandments. Thus those who follow Christ "speak and do" according to the Ten (v12).
Nirky 10 months ago 4
After checking your correction I think it might be a mute point as shown in Romans 5:20 The law was added so that transgressions might increase. Romans 5:13 states before the law(Moral code) was given (before Sinai is my only reference) sin was in the world.14: death reigned even over those who did not sin by breaking a command.
There is no reference to 10 commands or Sabbath keeping or incest or Polygamy by any one person till Sinai and the handing down by god 10 commands.
damted 10 months ago
@damted
"For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Rom 5:13
"Sin is transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4
Paul tells us all men, from Adam until Moses until now, have sinned--broken God's law.
Paul also says where there is no law, there can be no sin, that sin is not imputed where there is no law.
Therefore Paul tells us in our 6000+ year history man has always had a law--God's law--the breaking of which law constitutes sin.
Nirky 10 months ago 4
@damted
So since man has always had God's law, which defines what constitutes sin, we know it is here with us today, because we do sin today. Which law, from Adam to now, is the law which tells us what is sin?
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” Rom 7:7
"You shall not covet" is God's law (Rom 7:22).
Nirky 10 months ago 4
I stand corrected but more laws to transgress anyhow. Before moses their wasn't ten moral and 600 ceremonial laws so he added a lot. I can only find a few moral laws for instance. One moral code is given to Noah gen 9:6 whoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed. But no guide lines on incest bigamy etc as these were part of populating the earth after adam then Noah. In other words the commandments were given to the Israelites not before as stated in Exodus 20.2 Wt u say
damted 10 months ago
The law was added to increase transgressions. Before moses their wasn't ten moral and 600 ceremonial laws so he added a lot. I can only find a few moral laws for instance. One moral code is given to Noah gen 9:6 whoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed. But no guide lines on incest bigamy etc as these were part of populating the earth after adam then Noah. In other words the ten commandment were given to the Israelites not before as stated in Exodus 20.2
damted 10 months ago
@damted
I'm sorry, but you are misquoting scripture. The sacrificial law was "added BECAUSE of transgressions" (Gal 3:19), not to increase transgressions.
Paul tells us God's pre-existing law was transgressed, therefore another law was added because of that transgressing of the existing law.
This added law Paul tells us was the ceremonial law in the book of the law (Gal 3:10), which sacrifices pointed forward to the day that Jesus would sacrifice Himself for breaking His eternal law of love.
Nirky 10 months ago 4
@Nirky we have a sin debt resulting from Adams breaking a command of god. That law doesnt exist now for the tree isn`t around any more. Law was added later but our sinful nature was formed at that point. No laws are required for us to be sinners. God created a nation to represent him on earth then The Written code was added . Col 2:14 clearly states the cancelling of the written code (10 commandments written by god) and its regulations(ceremonial) nailing them to the cross.
damted 10 months ago
@damted
Paul in Col 2:14-17 talks about the yearly new moon meat & drink offering sabbaths, shadow ordinances of good things to come (See Lev ch23 for a complete list of these annual ceremonial sabbaths) which pointed forward to deliverance from sin. See also Eph 2:15.
This is why we do not sacrifice animals anymore, nor offer meat and drink and grain offerings, nor go through ceremonial washings to represent His sinless life, we now have the real substance, His perfect sacrifice for our sin!
Nirky 10 months ago 2
@damted
Adam broke God's law, and in doing so passed down his self-centered, sinful nature to us. But what about this "sin debt" idea? Does Paul teach that we inherited a "sin debt"?
"death passed to all men, BECAUSE ALL SINNED." Rom 5:12
Death passed down to us, because in our weakened selfish state, we all, each and every one of us, sinned. Paul wants us to know even in our weak state we are all responsible for our OWN sins.
"The soul who sins shall DIE". Eze 18:20.
Nirky 10 months ago 2
@damted "Sin debt" wasn`t a direct quote, But nevertheless it is our reality as the curse of Adams sin Is why I am A sinner now. That sin debt caused by Adam was paid in full By Christs Death Of course.
damted 10 months ago
@JarheadPatriot Of course I can tell you more. Just private message me and we can definetly spark up a little text conversation.
Enjoy your day and God bless
daDopeArtist 10 months ago
@damted my brother/sister, we dont make ourselves out to be like anything.. We simply follow god.. There is no hidden SDA plans or fronts we show. I do not understand what your hatred toward the SDA church is but I hope that you find God. Through any christian religion. The important thing is to follow him and then rejoice with your fellow brethren. I love good and I will forever be grateful for his blessings and exalt him. There is nothing wrong with that.
daDopeArtist 10 months ago
@daDopeArtist Point out the hatred, there is none. Just the bible texts that support doctrine.
damted 10 months ago
romans 10:4 Christ is an end of the law so that righteousness for every one who believes. The Gentiles never received the Law. Now they are saved by grace just as the jews are. God never gave the gentiles a cerermonial law or moral law. Paul says that grace to the Gentiles is a mystery. Have you heard that before?
damted 10 months ago
@damted
There is NO righteousness in ourselves, because we have all sinned (Rom 3:23), we have ALL fallen short of God's glory, and are in desperate need of a Savior. Therefore we of ourselves can do NOTHING to make us righteous.
Justification can only be obtained by having saving faith in Jesus (Rom 3:30, Gal 3:8), because He came and lived the life we should have, and died the death we deserved.
Nirky 10 months ago
@Nirky Speak it out! this is the Gospel.
damted 10 months ago
@damted
Regarding gentiles and Jews, neither was EVER justified and therefore saved by keeping any law, not the law of Moses, and not the law of God:
"What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Romans 4:1-4
Abraham was justified ONLY through faith.
Nirky 10 months ago
@Nirky You are right the law was added to increase transgressions. Its only power is to condemn not save. It existed for a moment in time. Man has only ever been saved by faith.
That withstanding the law existed between moses and the seed (JESUS). The Jews Had a law that demanded works. We are the Gentiles who have recieved the Mystery of Grace from the revelation of Paul. Eph 3:2 We are saved by faith alone by his Grace
damted 10 months ago
@damted
"What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made." Gal 3:19
Because of sin, transgressing God's law, His Ten Commandments (1 Jn 3:4), God added the sacrificial ceremonial laws--the book of the law--with their animal sacrifices, meat & drink offerings, all pointing forward to the one day when the Seed, Jesus, would sacrifice Himself for the sins of the world. John 1:29
Nirky 10 months ago
@Nirky The law was added so it didn't exist before moses. Sin existed without a law system. Where does it support the view that the ceremonial and moral laws can stand separated? As I undstand it the law stands and falls as a whole or not at all. Both ceremonial and moral, after all man couldn`t keep either perfectly. . Only a sin debt existed due to original sin with a rudimentary sacrifice for sin as demonstrated by Cain and Able existed to moses not the ten commandments .
damted 10 months ago
@damted
"Sin" is transgression of His law. 1 John 3:4. For sin to exist, there must be a law defining what constitutes "sin".
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.)" Rom 5:12-13
The law that was ADDED because of sin--transgressing His existing Commandments--was the sacrificial law, the book of the law (Gal 3:10).
Nirky 10 months ago 2
@Nirky Where does it say there was ten commandment, the written code , before Moses?
damted 10 months ago
Nirky So Rom 2:14 the gentiles who do not have the law do by nature the things the law require, they are a law unto themselves even though they dont have the law, is us right?
damted 10 months ago
@damted
"But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: “ Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.” Rom 4:5-8
David also was justified only by faith in Him.
Nirky 10 months ago
Are you a Gentile or Circumcised Jew? Gal 3:24,25 the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified faith. Now that faith has come , we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Amen
damted 10 months ago
@damted
That's right, that was the purpose of the sacrificial law in the book of the law (Galatians 3:10), our schoolmaster to point us towards the Cross, Jesus' perfect sacrifice of which is our only source of justification (Galatians 3:11).
Nirky 10 months ago
Warning! the Ark of the Covenant has been found and it has JESUS blood on the Mercy Seat. Hit my link to hear about the blood. It will be revealed after the mark of the beast has been put in place.
atenorforjesus 11 months ago
We need to tests the spirits, even if we receive a vision and when she is tested against the bible, she comes up short.
I'm sure she was a wonderful lady and loved God dearly, so please don't get me wrong, but she had a few teachings that threaten ones salvation and has to be studied carefully.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
Her teachings about the sabbath are of the letter and not the Spirit. They are of the old covenant. She also prophesied the return of Christ and then taught that God covered the mistake with his hand.
She claimed that had the people been more faithful, things would have been different and Christ would have came at a before prophesied time.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@msfobstar
Alot of the doctrines taught in the sda church revolve around Ellen White and what she believed about the bible and her having the spirit of prophecy .
If she is a prophet of the one true God, then what she says must match up with Gods word, especially when she speaks a message that she says came from God.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
we need to be attuned in the same mind there is but one church, names of churches only separate truth , we need to be one church and also attuned in the same mind towards christ and the church
RonnieRonster66 11 months ago 5
"Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring to the rhetorical or literary tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance"
All discussions like these, over doctrinal issues, are "red herrings", all designed by the enemy of all to take our focus off Jesus. Do you not think that Jesus is powerful enough to bring all those who seek Him into His kingdom? Anything the devil can do to take us away from a focus on Him, if it works, he's happy with it.
Seek Jesus and live.
TheMariwood 11 months ago
We come to Jesus, through prayer, through study of His word - for the purpose of getting to know Him, not for the purpose of studying doctrine to try to prove our points above others - and through service to others for His sake. The enemy comes in and puts us against each other, and sits back and laughs as those who call themselves Christians, and profess to follow Jesus, throw mud at each other, thus making a mockery of His name. If we look to Jesus instead of each other, He will draw us to HIm
TheMariwood 11 months ago
This is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" - John 17:3. Salvation is not about what you do, but Who you know will change what you do. Jesus will not leave us as He found us. He will change us, by His grace, into His image. Eph 4:22-21 describes in detail some of the changes Jesus will bring into our lives. It's Jesus who changes us, and not we ourselves.
TheMariwood 11 months ago
@TheMariwood that should be Eph 4:22 - 5:21. This is not a list of legal requirements, but a description of how Jesus changes us when we come to Him. His is the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Without Him we can do nothing. With Him, all things are possible, to them that believe (Mark 10:27). I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me (Phil 4:13) Praise God for the freedom He has given us, through Jesus. We are no longer prisoners to our sinful thoughts and habits.
TheMariwood 11 months ago
seventh day adventists dont consider Ellen G White a god or someone that we should pray to...Im a 7th day adventist and we are taught that god is the one to love, not the church. We study the bible and that is why we answer question by using the bible.we are not a cult or a weird other thing, get it right people.
daDopeArtist 11 months ago 25
@daDopeArtist The SDA church is just that.... making them selves out to be different to other protestant churches because they have special insight into the bible. Heb1:1 in the past god spoke to us by his prophets but now....has spoken to us by his son.
The spiritual gift of prophecy is for the church and for many not ONE like an old testament prophet.
There is no provision for a EGW
damted 10 months ago
@daDopeArtist I am a jew but your church has really sparked my interest as you love the Torah of G-d and honor the Shabbat. I want to know more. I know you people love G-d and are not part of the Constantinian religion which hates Jews.
Shalom
JarheadPatriot0311 10 months ago
@JarheadPatriot0311 Shame the Jews rejected christ eh mate. He tried to tell them but they just didn`t listen
damted 10 months ago
@damted What's your excuse for rejecting him? Or maybe the Jews foreknew that you'd be his emissary eh mate?. Go put another Shrimp on the barbie.
JarheadPatriot0311 10 months ago
@JarheadPatriot0311 LOL go Jarhead, I`m a Gentile remember, god dealt with us very harshly by the hand of the jews and god himself as we weren`t his chosen people. I thank god he has made provision in the new covenant for Jews and Gentiles. Now I will put another shrimp on the Barbie
damted 10 months ago
@daDopeArtist I would like to know, do you follow the interpretation apply to the biblical text or you follow the biblical text ?
an35tares 10 months ago
@daDopeArtist Amen. at the end of the day we are all for Jesus and should go by scripture..
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Greek word justification means not make righteous as we are reformed, but accepted as righteous, declared righteous Even if I fall, I am accepted in Him
In my place He stood, sealed me w His blood. Justified to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
Not struggling to have faith, but looking after the faithful1. Faith is Gods gift to all that hear the gospel if u dont reject it. Salvation a matter of grace. By grace saved through faith, a gift of God
game11221 11 months ago
Greek word justification means not make righteous as we are reformed, but accepted as righteous, declared righteous Even if I fall, I am accepted in Him
In my place He stood, sealed me w His blood. Justified to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
Not struggling to have faith, but looking after the faithful1. Faith is Gods gift to all that hear the gospel if u dont reject it. Salvation a matter of grace. By grace saved through faith, a gift of God
game11221 11 months ago 2
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andrevidalocaparte2 11 months ago
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andrevidalocaparte2 11 months ago
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Religious inflicted people ASSUME TOO MUCH. They lean on a 2000+year old ancient book written and rewritten by man made stories and delusional,imaginary feelings. Their thinking is distorted and are mentally confused. the burden of proof is on the believer not the disbeliever.
sciencevsreligion01 11 months ago
@sciencevsreligion01 I have one simple question for you. How did we get here if there is no Creator? What do you believe regarding our origin? Science and religion don't contradict each other.
GamerDude573 11 months ago
It is true that many Adventist still eat flesh food. But Mrs. White, prophet or not, is being proved right by the medical community, in her writtings on flesh food and the toxins that enter the body. Cancer, high cholesterol, hypertension, and all of the western diseases are being attributed to flesh foods. Ask yourself this question. Will the diet in the new earth be the same as the diet God gave our first parents in Eden? Will there be any death in Eden Restored, even by cooking?
johnstumph 11 months ago 4
Daniel and his three friends, refused the diet of the King's meat and wine and chose to eat a whole plant food diet, a vegan diet and to drink pure water. This was a ten day trial to see which diet was better, God's or King Nebuchadnezzer's. Nebuchadnezzar must have been eating a high fat, high protein diet of dead animals most of his life. It is fair to assume that the King must have been very toxic and perhaps even constipated from time to time from the fiberless feasts.
johnstumph 11 months ago 4
What's with the stained glass windows with images of heavenly things. Isn't that breaking one of the commandments too?
protochris 1 year ago
@protochris which one?
MsFobstar 1 year ago
@MsFobstar About not having any images. .."You shall make no likeness or image of anything in heaven nor upon the earth".
protochris 1 year ago
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Paul says:"7Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?" 2 Corinthians 11:7 (King James Version). "So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver" (2 Corinthians 9:7).Thiting back then were lambs, offerings what you harvested. We have all payments, bills, rental house to pay!!! How SDAs keeps wanting too much money like that!!!
USVictory 1 year ago
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They are money hungry; they lure you to their churches. Then they tell you to pay 10% of your checks,& you shouldnot eat pork, quail,frog meats..., neither cat fish. This is a weirdest denomination I've ever seen. In their services, they always say aloud to destroy the Catholics. In their booklets, they always say Catholic pope is the AntiChrist/ the Beast/ the whore of Babylon. They say Catholics are Con-men, whores, thieves.They throw off on Catholics like that just to get money!!!
USVictory 1 year ago
@USVictory haha!!!! you dont know anything about them do you?
MsFobstar 1 year ago
One expose' there is no 'Seventh-Day Adventist Church' in the bible from Genesis to Revelation. Are you going to give your life to a church not being mentioned by God in the bible? Do not waste your lives to a church not written in the bible. Experience teachings not being taught by priests and born again pastors. We offer free bible study and free bible. Log on to THEOLDPATH .TV ...A single dot and comma in the bible is very important in the salvation of souls. LOG ON NOW. IT IS FREE
ilovetruth777 1 year ago
God's word is indeed many times confusing, that is why we all need the GUIDANCE OF HOLY SPIRIT, THE SEAL OF GOD.
Those who reject the SEAL, substituing it by their own hands' works, ARE FAR FROM THE MOST DIFFICULT PARTS OF COMPREHENSION OF SATAN's DECEIVE. The enemy is MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT THAN HUMANS. Please go to The TRULY GOSPEL, AND ABANDON CHRISTMAS, PAINTINGS, BOOKS OF HUMANS, ETC. TIME IS ALMOST OVER!!
blessings
chegaDsaudade 1 year ago
False chrsitian churches doing PAINTINGS OF THE SON OF GOD, PROHIBED IN THE HOLY BIBLE. MAKING MINIATURE THE JESUS's sacrifice by representing the CROSS LIKE A RIDICULE MINIATURE IN THEIR LOGO. A GIANT MASONIC FLAME, BUT AN INSIGNIFICANT CROSS. MASONIC DAUGHTER.
chegaDsaudade 1 year ago
@chegaDsaudade stop wasting ur time critisizing this church. their aim is to bring people closer to god. they are doing nothing wrong. if you are christian then you should be glad this church is spreading the LOVE of GOD.
MsFobstar 1 year ago
@MsFobstar I must say, you should be embarrased at your statement. You are advocating the opposite of what the bible says. Prove all things... 1Thes. 5:21 Spreading the Love of God is a good thing. But it's the truth of The Bible that is of utmost importance as the love is a subset of the truth.
If you knew your bible you'd appreciate that this church as nice as they are, they are preaching confusion
headed by a false prophet.
Does truth matter to you then ?.
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@ServiceProcess yes the truth matters to me, but hmmmm... i dont really know about this 'confusion' and this 'false prophet'. Please explain :)
MsFobstar 1 year ago
@MsFobstar (1)
The truth matters does it ... OK ... ha ha ... we'll see.
Opening statement
Jude 1:3
GOD'S WORD Translation (©1995)
Dear friends, I had intended to write to you about the salvation we share.
But something has come up. It demands that I write to you and encourage you to continue your fight for the Christian faith that was entrusted to God's holy people ONCE FOR ALL TIME.
Even in Jude's day, God had said everything he needed to say. The cannon was closed.
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@MsFobstar (2)
Mrs. White places "meat, butter and cheese" in the same category as tobacco and liquor.
This is contrary to the Bible for Jesus Himself ate fish. (Luke 24:41-43).
In John 21:9-12 we find that Jesus prepared flesh meat and said to his disciples, "Come and eat."
The Bible tells us that Jesus ate butter (Isaiah 7:15).
Mrs. White said, "Do not eat," but Jesus said, "Come and dine."
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@MsFobstar (3)
Paul said, "that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; …commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."
(1 Timothy 4:1,3). The Bible clearly declares that to teach to abstain from meats is a "departing from the faith".
Ellen White is advocating not eating any flesh meat whatsoever.
read on.
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
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@MsFobstar (4)
Ellen G. White: "Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh-meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. Let not our ministers animalize their own nature and the nature of their children." (Spalding and Magan, p.211).
Ellen White the prophet is stating that eating flesh meats is 'evil'. And that the ministers should abstain as a good example to the sheep, the flock.
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@MsFobstar (5)
"And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover (lamb) with you before I suffer:" (Luke 22:15).
NOTE: The traditional passover dinner which Jesus ate with His disciples included eating a roasted lamb: "And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it." (Exodus 12:8).
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@MsFobstar (6)
When Elijah was by the brook Cherith, "… the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook." (1 Kings 17:6).
Why did God feed Elijah with bread and "flesh" if that would set an "evil example"? Why not bread and cucumbers; or bread and carrots?
Ellen White is saying that which is contrary to what the bible says.
Whether you like it or not ... there is a very very big issue here.
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@MsFobstar (7)
"We bare positive testimony against tobacco, rich cakes, spirituous liquors, snuff, tea, coffee, flesh meats, butter, spice, mince pies." (Testimonies to the Church, Volume 3, p.21).
Ellen White has categorized cakes, mince pies and butter as being as bad as tobacco and liquor.
As a none drinking or smoking adventist, you shouldn't be partaking in any of the others either, since they are all as sinful, they are all in the same category.
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@MsFobstar (8)
Two points to note. It's confusion and it's not the gospel of Christ.
Adventists brag about having a modern day prophet who wrote in clear understandable language.
Well ... if it's so clear, how can you pick and choose what God has ordained ???
Half the church eats meat, the other half dont !!!. None of you should ! God ordained it.
That my friend is confusion. You shouldn't be eating cakes or butter.
But you do, some of you, that's confusion.
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@MsFobstar (9)
I've literally cited one thing out of THOUSANDS.
Now ... I was born an adventist and I liked (loved) being in the adventist church.
But I know ... "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
God is spirit, and his worshipers MUST worship in spirit and in TRUTH." John 4:24
The bible says MUST.
My family are adventists. Should I let that stop me from seeking the truth ?.
No. And when you look for the truth of EG White ....
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@MsFobstar (10)
YOU FIND IT ....
If you are in the slightest interested in God or his truth, you are compelled
by the scriptures (1 Thessalonians 5:21 )
to search out the truth.
If you don't search for the truth, if you don't prove all things, I personally think that you will answer for that.
Because, Ellen White is a false prophet, and if you know your bible you will know that the fate of those
that follow a false prophet is the same fate as the false prophet.
Now what ?.
ServiceProcess 1 year ago
@ServiceProcess I would like to respond. God, when He created this planet, created it without the blemish of sin. God gave our first parents the Garden of Eden, and told them what thier diet would consist of, Gen.1:29&2:9,16. After Adem lost his dominion of earth to Satan and was driven from his garden home, God added to his diet, Gen. 3:18. Was not changed until after the flood. Gen.7:2,8 & 8:20 & 9:3,4.
You read of Daniel and his 3 friends in Dan. 1 resorted to an all vegi diet.
johnstumph 11 months ago
@johnstumph If you look at what i've written, and the issues i've posed. Then look at what you call your answer. You will realise that you've not actually attempted to answer the question i'm asking. You've just tried to give me a religious reason to justify your dietary choice.
MsFobstar played it better by not answering at all. You can't answer the don't eat cakes and butter directive from God through Ellen White because it contradicts the bible.
ServiceProcess 11 months ago
@ServiceProcess when God comes, then we can ask him. until then, i'll keep looking. (i'm still a youth) but what I dont get is that god wrote the ten commandments right? so every single christian should follow them. but does everyone follow it? no. we are all given a choice.
MsFobstar 11 months ago 10
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@MsFobstar Please look at what you are saying here. You may not be able to deal with what has been said and so your statement ignores it and instead says 'well ... we'll deal with that when God comes'.
Is that a Christian approach to things. Doesn't the bible say prove all things. Not put them off because you don't want do deal with them.
Is that how the Muslim should act them. He see's there is a problem with islam, is interested in Jesus, but decides to put it off until Allah comes ?.
ServiceProcess 11 months ago
@MsFobstar
That's true, we all have free will to make our choices based on what He says.
He says to have faith to follow Him, through faith obeying Him out of love. How we respond to His saving grace, His death for our breaking of His law, shows how much we love Him. Jn 14:15.
If we claim Him as our Savior but go back to our sinful lifestyle, even attempting to justify our sins after knowing the truth, we show that we didn't really know Him at all.
God bless you, have a wonderful Lord's Day!
Nirky 11 months ago 24
@MsFobstar That is true, we are all given a choice. That is why plenty of people worship idols, disrespects their parents, becomes murderers etc.
rhasta000 7 months ago
@ServiceProcess so if ellen white wrote a book stating the sin of meat eating, is every single sda gonna follow it? no, cause they have the power of choice. the diet and the ten commandments are there to help us have a happier life, but are we gonna HAVE follow it? no, because we have a power of choice.
correct me please if there is any faults in this. :)
MsFobstar 11 months ago 4
@MsFobstar (1) Let me put it this way.
Sin is defined as being against God. So ... it's anything that's against God. Murder is sin because to murder would be against God's word. If God said to Ellen White that meat eating is sin. Then to eat meat is to sin (that ties in with what Ellen White says). Now ... The bible says that there is nomore forgiveness for those who wilfully sin after receiving the word of the truth.