Kia ora. This is very interesting. My father had an exhibition at the Yvonne Rust Gallery in Whangarei in either 1997 or 1998. In the exhibition he compared the treatment of the Maori to the 1939 Holocaust, and his work also touched on the emergence of anti-multiculturalism at the time promoted by Pauline Hanson et al. Having been away from NZ for ten years, I didn't know about Tariana Turia's statement nor Gordon Toi's painting. Seems my dad had an impact!
maori were not here first ,,or have you not read about the true maori who arrived in the great fleet and what they found !! shame on you all who are now denying this ,is it because you cant come to terms with the genocide that was commited on the original peoples of Nz
Ka pai te korero. I know of one such Holocaust which happen to Ngati Maru women and children from that hapu were murdered in the Manukau Heights area by colonial solders this happen well worries went to tautoko waikato against colonial invaders, some wahine and tamariki are still buried in that area and are not at rest, a very sad situation, when the housing projects started they moved some of the whanau but not all.................
Soon there will be no nations just people.We are all the same but off course a biproduct of our enviroment in which we are raised.No one is born greedy or spitefull of agressive.The Maori culture is beautiful and I live my life by its core principles so that I am a better person.There is no other culture that I have heard off that has the concept of whanaungatanga of manaakitanga, a beatiful concept that truly incorporates compassion on a whole new level.
The numbers of our people who have passed away before their time through not coping under this outdated European society of rich, middle and poor class. The blood of our dead cries out for justice. Justice will be served alright!! Kau mutu to mahi o te whakahihi geneology lines. Hiu e...taiki e!!
@teplungor As is where is!! I think thats half the problem with you idoiots you think we are all on drugs and boozed up. Haha suckas many are wide awake. You will swallow and choke on your words of arrogance!! Kua mutu!!
@Divadj2009 Ka-fukofa. So do you not agree that by using modern European medicine and hospitals Maori life expectancy has tripled? Just the facts cuz, Leave the bullshit and Utu behind. You wont do fuck all, you know it, you're a bunch of pussies. Maybe a hui or a protest waving that stupid flag around. If you were hard youd be bombing rubbish bins or public places. But you dont, you know we cut off the benifitsk eh bro?
@teplungor You lost my interest on the first line!! Haha But my words are as they stand, and I'll take all you clowns on in one hit. Watch this space...Mana wahine Maori!!
@teplungor You time for excuses is passing!! Turituri to wahi! Kua mutu whakakhihi pakeke poaka!! I'll leave you clowns to talk to yourselves I've got better things to do than read the rubbish coming from your mouth.
But then again, when it comes to anything to do with maori, maori are always the interpretors.One minute maori are one people, next minute (when it suits) they are not. One minute moriori are not maori (when maori are killing them or stealing their land via land courts,) next minute (when maori want to avoid being murdering colonisiers themselves) moriori were just another tribe of maori. lol
The only consistancy is that its consistantly whats most convieniant for grievence ingrained maori
Well I'm done with this debate, obviously you are neither worth my time or effort, and for your FYI, I have Maori, Scots and Moriori in me, so I have most of NZ in me and more of a tenure on this land than most. Go and peddle your racist hate elsewhere.
Go to utube john harris and click on to illusions 1/5 and find out what your colonial invaders of all the commonwealth contiries have done he is a english man waking up the world you need some educating not me. take a look at what he has to say why all of us you and me are all decieved and getting ripped off from the parliament. nothing against you personally but after you view it pass it on.
A Holocaust is a deliberate and concerted effort to eliminate a race of people. Did europeans attempt to eliminate the maori people? No they didn't.
If greivence ingrained dumbarse maori are so desperate to find an example of a holocaust in NZ history they would be much wiser to look at what maori did to the peaceful moriori people of the chathem islands in 1835.
holocaust is burning of the body.pakeha did that to our people they burnt our people in a school and locked them in back in the 1860s. go to waitangi day and see what 85 year old matiu tarawa comments say. This is why it has not been taught in the education system why because the government dont want to except that their settlers before them did this. They are ashamed and wont it swept under the carpet. Put your self in our shoes how would you feel if this was done to your anscestors?
Well I'm sure the decendants of the huge numbers of jews machine gunned, poisoned, gassed etc by the Nazis and then thrown into mass graves will be interested to learn that according to some uneducated grevience ingrained dumbarse in NZ their loved ones were not victims of the Holocaust, because their bodies weren't actually burned.
Maori were gunned down, thrown off cliffs once made prisoners, locked in Dunedin caves in the middle of winter without any warmth, women, children starved to death due to crops and storehouses bruned to the ground. Read some books, even better read Govt correspondence in the 1860's it is all right there, if you know how to research that is. The Ati Awa people killed many Moriori and married Moriori, they were taken down there by Pakeha ships, that is in history books.
Setting aside the fact that the most reliable historical accounts record that those ships were more than likely "commandeered forcibly" its still allways the pakehas fault eh. The pakeha ship owner must have made all those maori slaughter, rape, and enslave the peacefull moriori.
just like the pakeha made the maoris take up smoking
so you say most reliable historical accounts, I am a librarian, and I the only ship taken by force was the Boyd. You are mistaken when you generalise when you state that Maori wiped out the Moriori, in fact it was the Ati Awa and Ngati Mutunga tribes that were forcibly taken down there, to be removed from the land that settlers wanted in Taranaki, they were dumped on Rekohu (Chatham Island) by Pakeha.
there was no holocaust. this is just bs. the moaris were treated well compared to other natives. i dont see the abos or indians getting mass claims and spending it all at the tab and liquor land. complete bollox
its that mentality that feeds the next generation of ignorant up and coming baldheads. our system is unique thats why there are no mass claims anywhere else. Treatment is not the immediate issue - manipulative occupation is, along with the crucial historic 'broken covenant' drama. and we dont spend claim compensation at the pub, ignomard.
I cant help it George, i must elaborate! The term holocaust to me is not a one off action. The word itself means to be scorched and destroyed. The word is used in this video in correlation to the scorched earth policy used firstly on Tuhoe back in the land confiscations era as well as the massacres of many hapu in that area around the same time and for the same purpose to invade and occupy the region.
Holocausts have been happening all over the world since WW2 george
well you are wrong. You can call it genocide or ethnic cleansing if you like (but its not). This video is ignorant in its name and historical value. Watch the guy in it. Duhhh!! You cant call it the holoicaust because that happened to the jews in ww2.
Im not wrong george, thats impossible. For one it wasnt ethnic cleansing, it was removal of native inhabitants to occupy the land. Genocide perhaps. Like i said, the holocaust isnt exclusive to what happened to the Jews & the Roma of Germany - now that was ethnic cleansing. If we introduced racial segregation, would we be able to call that Apartheid? As this is in the same sort of exclusive policies you seem to believe can only happen once.
so you want racial segregation? Wow! Thats one backward mutha fucking way of looking. FYI Rose, you are wrong. as stated before - the Holocaust was a one off event, not a generic term. Thats why Maori are chastised for saying it. It shows a severe lack of knowledge.
I didnt say that! I said if! To prove a hypothetical scenario where a supposed one off event can be mirrored and still be called a term that previously was exclusive to its first occurance and in thus becoming a generic term!
You are thinking in terms of Maori being one big tribe, well news flash, they weren't, get that point of fact straight. In terms of individual hapu and iwi, there were attempts of holocaust, it was just lucky those targeted groups were adept at hiding from roving Colonial troops. The Jews were slaughtered on such a scale, is because they were lied to by their Nazi captors. Colonial troops never hid the intentions however. Whole hapu were wiped out, that is a holocaust.
Nice try at history rewriting. But regardless of tribes maori are all one race. And regardless of your melodramatic one sided portrayals (that could just as easily be used to describe what maori did to maori) the fact remains there has never been an effort made by europeans to elliminate maori as a race. No holocaust for Maori sorry. Just poor woe is me maori wanting to over dramatise things so that they can blame others for their own state of affairs.
The term is rewriting history, not history rewriting, I would have to disagree, the Irish are Irish because some ethnographer has classified them into this catergory, same as the Scots, yet they have their own distinctive clans, and warred against each other. Your ignorance is astounding, you cannot grasp the simple fact of a ethnic profile. The Croats are Croats, the Serbs are Serbs, the Bosnian are Bosnian's, yet people like you would call them Yugoslavs in the past. You argument is flawed.
The pure fact that holocaust is being denied by Europeans here is the issue, not the social-economic situation that Maori are in, there are people that deny the Jewish Holocaust never happened despite the evidence, there is evidence also that the same happened here, per capita and on a microcosimic the stats prove that over 87% of the Maori population was wiped out post European contact, now can you see a pattern? hmmm
I find it highly comical that some dumbass trying to divide maori into different races just so that he can feed his own grievence ingrained outlook with the ridiculas notion of a holocaust thinks I am ignorant.
You know what, pakeha fascinate me. They always have. I find the whole 'white way of life' incredibly amusing, if not completely strange. Tis a guilty pleasure of mine to find out how they work. I dont even understand my own white whanaunga. Its true I have deep resentment towards baldheads, but the mentality of the culture is intriguing. Its fair to say I suppose that I have a sick 'love/hate' relationship with them all. Lol.
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so be it - shame, because i like money, travel, fine resturants and clothes and seeing meeting and making friends with people who love life and want to get on with it. Those who strive to open wounds of the past are the losers - and thats a shame. My last holiday was 3 weeks ago. A week in bali, a day in london to meet my boss for lunch, check my house to make sure the tenants hadnt smashed it up. bongs with my brother then 4 days partying in sweden. Or i could try to free my oppsessed
And what prey, makes you think one cant do/have both? To dwell on the past isn't the same as living in it.
We are born into this you know. Its a plight I cant turn away from even though I want/try to. Some of us are bound by it. We will never be free.
But you, you go right ahead and live it up. Count yourself lucky you dont have to pay for the deeds of your forebears & our enemies like the rest of us do.
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I mean running around talking like a morron - Ahh bro - sup cuz... etc - that gna help Maori.. No - it wont. U never catch my family talking like a "whory"
Its just speech. No different from how other cultures and nationalities speak in their ways. Calling some 'bro'doesn't hold us back nor is it speech of the mere 'hori'. Now you're just grasping at straws brad. There is nothing wrong with the manner in which we speak. Grow up.
Im not saying slang speak is professional. I dont talk like that all the time, but only to those who will understand me/it. A lot of people are like that. We speak the way we have to at any given moment. I wish more people spoke like people back home here. Who knew speaking fluent english constantly could be such a struggle.
I dont expect either of you to understand our torment or our plight. But dont you dare tell me its all an illusion. It did happen. Maybe not to others - but it defintely happened to my ancestral lands. And its not only over land do we/I have issues. Its gonna take more than an apology to put things right.
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I'm telling you exactly that, you must be aware of the Ngawha claim before the Waitangi Tribunal. The area was first surveyed in 1873 and title to the block in question was awarded to Heta Te Haara who by 1894 had sold the lot. Now Ngapui are claiming kaitiaki and rangatiratanga were'nt part of the deal. Thats usually how it works, as soon as the white man builds something like a geothermal power station or anything worth some cash, Maoris will immediately renag on the deal.
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Ngapui are claiming the steam that powers the Ngawha geothermal station is 'taonga' and therefore is a resource that belongs to them. Call us cynical Rose but we do start to wonder about claims like these and others such as claims concerning the allocation of radio frequencies and recompense for insulting a 'Taniwha". You only have to read the list before the Waitangi Tribunal and you begin to question the motive of these tribes.
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yes claims such as the air space.. "we arnt gna charge to use it" "We will never charge the public to go up Mt such and such" then as soon as its awarded back - they milk it.. the DO charge the public and the do sell things off wer they can. Some of the claims are made by cleaver "Processional Maori" they know what they can get by crying like an injurd deer with ther hand outs. Look how well Maori do in Aussie.. its because they cant sit on ther asses. They gta work. And when they do.they do wel
The enviroment is different in Ozzie. You're not regarded as scum of the earth over here. In Oz Maori are right up there with the general australian population. Back home is just tension this and negativity that. In OZ Maori are free of being regarded as criminal society bludgers. That is why we do well. Because we're physically away from all the shit.
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And as far as the prison is concerned, it was built on crown land and surely its location would be an advantage in respect to the localisation of inmates.
Not for me it wont. I never wanted their settlement money. And neither do any of my family. Our plight is bigger than that. You're just looking at the smaller picture. I dont want their guilt money - I wont be bought off.
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The 'festering wound' was left in your head by your parents or whoever filled you with hate over something that didn't happen. Or at least didn't happen to the extent that you've been told. 94 percent of Maori land was sold at market value and the 6 percent or 1.9 million acres confiscated wasn't in use and it wasn't stolen from you but your distant ancestor.
Agreed. I was fed resentment for the bullshit done to our people. But it did happen. Or are you telling me my grandmothers land wasn't taken by force for the purpose of plonking a prison on top of it? Are you telling me that was all in head? This didnt happen 200 years ago, this was in my lifetime! Like I said, the struggle continues. My ancestors didnt sell Ngawha - it was TAKEN. I know, I was there.
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After Maori had traded their land for muskets in the 1820s and 1830s that's when the holocaust began, ancient rivalries were settled and an estimated 20,000 were killed in inter-tribal battles.
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well brian, there are 2 races in NZ. One of us are descendnts of eurpeans. A large % of other wont stop putting thier hand out, crying about stuff that happened 200 years ago. Yet they are fully intergrated into our society, schooling system, infact they have their own specaal little racist sections in governement, thier own special little racist sports teams & votes in elections. They get land back (that was sold not stolen) then ask for it back 50 0dd years later. Its all interting
the truth behind helen whatsernames banning of the H word is NZ's subvervise brown nosing of Israel's occupation of Palestine. By claiming to be the only victims of the H word, Israel continues to occupy Palestinan whenua so that they can visit the H word on the Palestinians...
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maoris killing maoris isnt a holocaust. There is only ewver been one holocaust - would you call ethnic cleansing a holocaust or ethnic cleansing? In Bosnia or rwanda it was ethnic cleansig. So here we have savages killing savages - its just a mass killing. Holocaust isnt a GENERIC word. it only ever will happen once.
Stop embarassing yourself. For starters, its tangaTA whenua. Who are you to claim you have the right to take over our country, im maori full on and its mamae to see my own so ignorant nd arrogant towards this, im not shunting your views, but this sort of act is the sort which divides our country. If we want the pakeha to treat us properly, we need to lead by example.
We need to let go of the mauahara and act, instead of just talk. Listen to what the videos saying. But thats just my opinion.
who cares if i cant spell its all baldhead words anyway.we didnt hav a written language so baldheads gave us there englishletters.and who am i i and we are living proof of the distraction they brought upon us.and they were more ignorant and arrogant towards our people when they were raping abusing kiling the innocent ones of our ancestor and stole wat was ours.we shudnt have be treated properly its should have alredy been like that
no need to swear -- ki te hiahia nei e koe i tenei aahuatanga -- well get off ur butt and du something yourself.! and awhina mai, ka ea ai nga wawata.!
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get over yourself - nz will be the new zimbabwe if that ever happened. maoros fuck maoris over more than european descendants ever have. you are incapable of governing yorselves, even though the brits have made nz into a 1st worls country. About time we sent you a bill for that.
A bill?? U got our fking land u twit thts payment enough. We could have run this country, unless your a educated tohunga or something, u hav no right to determine wht could have happened. So plz, stfu!!
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You had a thousand years to run the country and you didn't run anything. Neolithic stone-age cannibals, engaged in an endless cycle of fudalism is as far as you got and would ever have got. Without Europeans NZ would be as advanced as Zimbabwe, face it, you're a primitive race incapable of governing yourselves.
And i suppose your qualified to make those statements?? I doubt it. We had a more civilised society than early age europeans, its called adaptation. No one knows wht could have happened so dont even start. Even if we didnt become westernised, atleast we would have had our land and our dignity. We handled situations our way, who r u to judge it, ur ancestors were way worse.
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And even with our guidance you still haven't come to grips with the 21st century. Maoris have the most apalling social issues of any race, 51% of male prison inmates, 70% of female. Ten times more likely to commit serious crime, a propensity to kill your children, a dependacy on the state, all equate to a primitive inadequate race. And don't give me the old "victim of colonisation" bullshit, as an excuse it's wearing a bit thin.
So what if we are an 'inadequate' race in this modern white society. What are you trying to say? That just because we dont adapt to your lifestyle - because we dont fit your expectations - because you lack the understanding of our culture, we are then below you? Is that what this is all about TQ? You just want someone to say how much greater your murderous ancestral bloodline is over ours? Thats pathetic.
Tell me now honestly, what is it you fucking want man!
Oh you are a peice of work arent you. For your info, we were governing ourselves quite nicely before you lot came along. Just because we battled & killed each other doesn't mean we lacked governance. Maori aren't one people - we are many confederation of sub-tribes. And just because you dont have the stomach for human flesh doesn't mean it is an act of evil.
And your ancestry aint too shit hot either. If ever there was incapability & faliure in governance look no further than ur own history
We never 'loathed' each other. We killed each other true. But not out of hate. Not like how your anglo & scandanavian tupuna drove the welsh out of their homeland before calling it their own. If any race has a fetish for murder and destruction it is your own. And let us not forget the antics of your german, american & roman whanaunga.
Cannibalism isnt evil. It is against the law true. But evil? Says who?
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haha - if there were Moas around still they would have a right to complain about a holocaust. I mean how stupid is that?? making a primary source of food and cloithing extinct??
What were we suppose to do, tape tracking devices on them so we could decifer on our high tech computer programs how many were dying anually? Physically go out and count them all every week maybe? Now that is stupid!
What the fuck does governance have to do with farming? We survived didnt we? So we must have had enough food. We were hunter/gatherers not farmers. What were we suppose to do anyway? Milk imaginary cows?
Look see, you ridicule our culture still, despite it not being our fault you are on the bottom tier of the special treatment ladder.
Id say your issue with Maori goes beyond mere jealousy of government funding. You just dont like us, admit it.
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i dont like all the hard luck story exagurated effects of how hard done by maoris think they have been on here, like this one, "holocaust" fuck whatever, the holocaust was a one off event, not a generic term. - I have to comment. "staunch maori", "mean moari" sounds so stupid!
Now dont you think that even hunter gathers would see that when food is getting really hard to catch you might think of say keeping the same animals in enclosed shelters and breeding them??
The thing is george, we were hard done by. Im not moaning, Im just saying thats how the majority of us feel, because its true. Some take that 'victim mentality' to the extreme - allowing it to take precedence over our present prediciment & placing blame where its not entirely fair to place. Old wounds take a long time to heal & thats just the reality of it. Be patient.
RE: comments like 'mean maori' - well they sound alright when said properly, otherwise yes, they can tend to sound silly
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but you wernt hard done by - thats the thing. Abos Indians (both american and indian sub continent) were hard done by. As ive said before, always intergrating into schooling and public systems. take a look on trademe at NZ banknotes from the 1930s. There is no queen, its maori chiefs!
We were hard done by george, whether you accept it or not. I dont expect you to understand because it wasn't done to you, however, you know the story, use your imagination. How would you feel if your land was stripped away from you?
Maybe we didnt get it nearly as bad as the Abos and Native American Indians did - but that doesnt distract from the fact that it did happen. I could tell you of blatant racism used on my grandmothers generation in an effort to eradicate our language...
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Ive seen my grandads school photos, there r loads of brown faces in the same class - that was 90 years ago - Im sorry, I agree with torqe yes there was a small amount of confiscation which was bad and has been apoligied for hundreds of times. Various govs have tried to make it right yet the hand is still out and the militant warrior race still wants 2 fight about it rather tht moving into the 21st century. If the maori language was irradicated why are 70% of place namres in NZ still maori?
To name cities with maori names is different to having actual native speakers. My grandmother was strapped if she spoke Maori at school. Why? Because of the bullshit curriculum and schooling policies.
The government may correct & apologise for past wrongs but that doesn't put things to rights especially when in the same breath they take whatever they please & continue to hold our heads under the water.
In time the wounds will heal, but until then the struggle continues.
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i think you will find lefthanders were also strapped in trhis period of time. \dont taske everything so personally.
I think you guys should look at what you have now, be thankful and move on. Harden up rose, its 2008. Nothing can undo the past. govs have tried to make it right but you cant take yes for an answer!
Dont you tell me to harden up. Ive seen more than you know and still I have the restraint to remain somewhat in control.
Its you who is forever bitching and moaning about the injustice of it all. Ridiculing us and belittling our culture with cruel intent as if its all our fault! If anyone needs to stop taking things personally, it is you george
I am grateful that my people didnt endure the horror that other indigenious peoples did. But that doesnt make our plight unworthy of the fight.
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Rose.. ther isnt really a fight here. Trust me - you need to travil kid. Ul come back and realise how easy we have it. Our problems are nothing next to other cutlures. Maori have it sweet if u think about it. Really think. I mean - we have a bloody great Nation..we dont have war here.. we dont get hate crimes.. we dont have huge crime really on the world scale.. sure the Labour Gvt blow - but National will be in soon.. We have a clean nation..we have a healthy nation..
I would if i could brad. But i have too many debts and criminal convictions to go any further than australia lol.
Im not saying I hate home. I miss it, bullshit and all. But im not as gullible as to think that National will 'wipe the slate clean'. If there is anyone in parliament to fear, its those bastards!
There is a fight back home, but you just dont see it because you're on the other side of the fence.
Its not as bad as you think, but enough to prevent me from risking entering other countries. And even if I didnt have any crosses next to my name I cant get a working visa. Im stuck in this god forsaken hell hole for who knows how long.
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Wow what the hell did u do? I dont know u so dont worry about losing face.
No offence but I have NO time for crimz!! A little while back some punk attacked me when when he was drunk at a party. lol Because im not a drug taking dip shit from south alks I took him to the cleaners, Im a big guy - but I didnt lay a fingure on him - I got him wer it hurt. His wallet and his name. He now cant travel! AT ALL! he got kicked out of uni and I cost him and his family close 2 $40 grand! Thats what u GET!
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I mean bs aside!! When u have people bitching over things as dumb as ownership of radio waves and beachs - things arnt bad! We eat well.. we have fishing.. boating.. good schools...u can go out at night and not get shot. Its great! We just need to sort our shit out.
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I dont see why Maori should own some of the beaches they ask for. U gta realise tho some land should be given back - ther is ALOT of money grabbing going on. Alot of hand outs and extra things Maori just shouldnt get.. but we/they do because we have a pethetic tall poppie nation at the moment.
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I mean the rep Maori have in NZ is terriable.. I mean Tame iti and Hone.. we can do better than those 2 fk wits. Both have done NOTHING in ther lives to even warrent listening to them.. All they do is spit hate and get away with massive racist comments ..it fks me off. I mean only a true brain washed FOOL would follow an idiot like Tame iti or Hone and his pack of black power family. He makes me sick and id tell him to his face no problem. In fact id love 2.
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u love Hone.. girly - you wouldnt if u learned a little Hone family history. Ud probly wanna beat the shit outa him.. like I would like 2. I wont - because Im not a fool. U should go look up what his family did - infact look into "Mrs Titewhai Harawira of the Carrington Hospital Maori Unit"
In a way yes, he is racist. Thats part of the reason why I love him :)
At least he is doing something about what he thinks should be done. Instead of bitching about the problem on controversial maori videos posted on youtube...hint hint.
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hint hint.. I do this 2 vent lol.
Because it FUCKS me off how dumb most people are. I feel like shakin them - or slapping them silly! Its like FUCK!! GO TO SCHOOL! WORK HARD! STOP DRINKING SO MUCH! PUT DOWN THE BONG! GET A FUCKING JOB! I realise alot of them arnt like that.. but a crazy number are! I mean just read the statistics!
Ok, you just described me with that little eruption lol. True i work long hours, but thats purely to pay my fines so I can go home lol. I wouldnt say Im dumb, but i was kciked out of school young and have a soft spot for alcohole & specific narcotics. Some people just cant handle it. But dont blame the booze or the P or the lack of schooling. Blame the person. Look at me, I did all that stuff and I turned out just fine! LOL!
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No offence.. just fine? U have a criminal conviction.. I WILL SAY - however bloody good job for what ur doing now! But stay they fk away from drugs. I drink - but I dont do drugs. I know people who do.. idiots. I know people worth millions who do drugs.. its not just the poor. I know this. But it dosnt help doz it!
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MetalRose - more examples of your racist words - honkie.. you forgetting your part honkie buddy? mayb u should go punch your self in the face if u hate whites so much.
Fucking hell these activists usin the words Holocaust is pritty fkn rude to the Jews - like Maori problems even come close 2 what the Jews went thrw is an insult.
Were you drunk when you wrote this & that other message? Honestly Brad, you're slipping. You're babbling profusely and i dont know what to make of you anymore. You're so weird sometimes.
totally agree - the word holocaust isnt a generic term. Its a one off event. But as usual a spupid maori has posted this totally ignorant of things like facts.
its also stupid. the holocaust is a one of event, not a generic term. If dreamer maori must call it something call it genocide (even though it wasnt) bunch of fucken cry babies eh Brad?
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Id recommd going back to school or uni when u can - and please for the love of god dont study Maori cutlure or bsket making or some nothing papers. Do somthing that will give u the means to help (seeing as u want 2 so much) A Maori cutlure paper is a luxury paper - its not a must.
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look after yourself - the smarty ones will follow. The ones that want to cry and make stupid videos about 1) being oppressed, holocausetsted or ripped off by the treaty face generations of hardship. The ones that forget about, move on and play the 1st western world game will be the winners.
this whole maori "struggle" really is pathetic. It would be like me wanting northern itreland back off the brits making a huge deal about it. In reality im out for mine - hard work and focus is key!
Well that sux. Christ you must think Im deluded or something. Just because I dont hark back to the dark ages in our defence doesn't mean I dont recognize it. Our 'struggle' may seem pathetic to you, but then again, you dont really matter in the whole scheme of things. You look out for yours george & I'll look out for mine.
If I were you I'd want Northern Ireland back, those Irish really got it bad
I will never live by your concept of living. I find the whole pakeha way of life just bizarre
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see thats the difference - i really coulddnt give a fuck. I could carry on about it a get all shitty - or use the British system of get smart, get a good paying job in the corporate world, travel the world and enjoy it - harping on about some struggle is pointless, and yes in the big scheme of things I am pointless but hey, Im getting phat doing it!
Christ you must think we're just a pack of depressed whingers or something. We dont eat, sleep and breathe what happened 200 years ago or even this present day. Its a thing that sits at the back of your mind only to rear its ugly head when provoked.
everyone i listening, no one has a choice in New Zealand, its all over the news, you hear it then you go "fuk u Maoris are moaners" and so you do listen. As for the bath comment AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHA thats pretty funny, even for you.
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cheers pacific - as well as being smart as fuck im also fucking funny. Just because we hear moaning doesnt mean we are listening. Its like a chick, when she nags you just switch off.
I beg to differ george, making the Maori language an offcia language, the starting of our kindergartens (kohanga reo) and schools (kura kaupapa). The tribunal, the land claims, the investments, you's are listening alright. :) and yea that whole chick, nag thing, hahahaha, but then we end up doing whatever she is nagging about anyway.
Lol, i was actually at a confrence the other day, and they were saying that if National gets in to power, and they get rid of the Māori seats, and hence the Māori role, there would be such a huge flood back in to the electorates that National will have no chance and next elections because those that were on the maori role would vote Labour. And that was coming from a Naitonal analysist.
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we will see - id like to see all treaty claims settled and the seats abolished. Come on pacific dont you think its racist?? I see those seats driving a wedge between the 2 races.
Yeah treaty claims should be settled thats fair enough, but the Māori seats should not be abolished. How are they racist? Just because they make sure there are 7 Māori in parliment who are trying to bring Māori issues in to Parliment? How does it effect Pākeha?
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It effects a lot of european descendents (doent pakeha mean white flea??) because we think its racist. There are 20 maori PMs in parliment now. Every party will have Maori members as they know maori will vote along those lines, and with MMP you will have at least 7. There are even Chinese and indian members of parliment. Do we give them thier own seats too? I just think its time to move away from it - once the treaty claims are settled. And I think would like to see that done quickly.
actually Pakeha does not mean white flea hahaha, it actually is derived from the word pakehakeha which means white skinned, and is now used today as a name for European New Zealanders. The diffrence is george is that Indians and chinese can go back to there own countries and have a voice, where can Maori go? You dont understand the processes of treaty claims, move them too fast and you may miss something, and then in twenty years time there will be more submissions and protests!
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Ok thanks for the correction - but move too slow and take 200 odd yers and it piss taking. There must be a way to do it quickly. It irks most white kiwis that its constantly brought up as a wedge or excuse for almost everything. Id like ot see it fairly brought to an end.
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U like him cos hes a racist... what?
Hes a fkn drop kick - why should anyone listen to him.. what has he done to make me think he knows what hes doing.. the answer... isssssss NOTHING - yip - sweet FUCK ALL. Hes just a professional complainer! Who hates white people.. for some reason.
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na hes scum - he dosnt help Maori he only makes them wanna blame non Maori for ther problems .. it fks me off u cant see the vicious circle this makes.
Well kids (including george because I know he's been watching) Im outta here. Unlike some, I dont get the luxury of sleep. I'll see you wankers again no doubt.
Kia ora. This is very interesting. My father had an exhibition at the Yvonne Rust Gallery in Whangarei in either 1997 or 1998. In the exhibition he compared the treatment of the Maori to the 1939 Holocaust, and his work also touched on the emergence of anti-multiculturalism at the time promoted by Pauline Hanson et al. Having been away from NZ for ten years, I didn't know about Tariana Turia's statement nor Gordon Toi's painting. Seems my dad had an impact!
dazzlecamouflage 6 months ago
maori were not here first ,,or have you not read about the true maori who arrived in the great fleet and what they found !! shame on you all who are now denying this ,is it because you cant come to terms with the genocide that was commited on the original peoples of Nz
seilytaert 1 year ago
@seilytaert
Shut up you colonial fool............
Tupuna1850 1 year ago
Ka pai te korero. I know of one such Holocaust which happen to Ngati Maru women and children from that hapu were murdered in the Manukau Heights area by colonial solders this happen well worries went to tautoko waikato against colonial invaders, some wahine and tamariki are still buried in that area and are not at rest, a very sad situation, when the housing projects started they moved some of the whanau but not all.................
Tupuna1850 1 year ago
Soon there will be no nations just people.We are all the same but off course a biproduct of our enviroment in which we are raised.No one is born greedy or spitefull of agressive.The Maori culture is beautiful and I live my life by its core principles so that I am a better person.There is no other culture that I have heard off that has the concept of whanaungatanga of manaakitanga, a beatiful concept that truly incorporates compassion on a whole new level.
castronic123 1 year ago
The numbers of our people who have passed away before their time through not coping under this outdated European society of rich, middle and poor class. The blood of our dead cries out for justice. Justice will be served alright!! Kau mutu to mahi o te whakahihi geneology lines. Hiu e...taiki e!!
Divadj2009 1 year ago
@Divadj2009 Umm Maori life expenctancy has quadrupled due to medical advances. What drugs are you on? Ohh thats right - Angry Hori drugs.
teplungor 1 year ago
@teplungor As is where is!! I think thats half the problem with you idoiots you think we are all on drugs and boozed up. Haha suckas many are wide awake. You will swallow and choke on your words of arrogance!! Kua mutu!!
Divadj2009 1 year ago
@Divadj2009 Ka-fukofa. So do you not agree that by using modern European medicine and hospitals Maori life expectancy has tripled? Just the facts cuz, Leave the bullshit and Utu behind. You wont do fuck all, you know it, you're a bunch of pussies. Maybe a hui or a protest waving that stupid flag around. If you were hard youd be bombing rubbish bins or public places. But you dont, you know we cut off the benifitsk eh bro?
teplungor 1 year ago
@teplungor You lost my interest on the first line!! Haha But my words are as they stand, and I'll take all you clowns on in one hit. Watch this space...Mana wahine Maori!!
Divadj2009 1 year ago
@teplungor , You have a great name. Fitting for a man who loves to have his rectum plunged by other men.
insanelylogical 1 year ago
@teplungor You time for excuses is passing!! Turituri to wahi! Kua mutu whakakhihi pakeke poaka!! I'll leave you clowns to talk to yourselves I've got better things to do than read the rubbish coming from your mouth.
Divadj2009 1 year ago
But then again, when it comes to anything to do with maori, maori are always the interpretors.One minute maori are one people, next minute (when it suits) they are not. One minute moriori are not maori (when maori are killing them or stealing their land via land courts,) next minute (when maori want to avoid being murdering colonisiers themselves) moriori were just another tribe of maori. lol
The only consistancy is that its consistantly whats most convieniant for grievence ingrained maori
reach1968 2 years ago
Well I'm done with this debate, obviously you are neither worth my time or effort, and for your FYI, I have Maori, Scots and Moriori in me, so I have most of NZ in me and more of a tenure on this land than most. Go and peddle your racist hate elsewhere.
moheka30 2 years ago 3
Go to utube john harris and click on to illusions 1/5 and find out what your colonial invaders of all the commonwealth contiries have done he is a english man waking up the world you need some educating not me. take a look at what he has to say why all of us you and me are all decieved and getting ripped off from the parliament. nothing against you personally but after you view it pass it on.
Tewhata100 2 years ago
A Holocaust is a deliberate and concerted effort to eliminate a race of people. Did europeans attempt to eliminate the maori people? No they didn't.
If greivence ingrained dumbarse maori are so desperate to find an example of a holocaust in NZ history they would be much wiser to look at what maori did to the peaceful moriori people of the chathem islands in 1835.
reach1968 2 years ago
holocaust is burning of the body.pakeha did that to our people they burnt our people in a school and locked them in back in the 1860s. go to waitangi day and see what 85 year old matiu tarawa comments say. This is why it has not been taught in the education system why because the government dont want to except that their settlers before them did this. They are ashamed and wont it swept under the carpet. Put your self in our shoes how would you feel if this was done to your anscestors?
Tewhata100 2 years ago
Well I'm sure the decendants of the huge numbers of jews machine gunned, poisoned, gassed etc by the Nazis and then thrown into mass graves will be interested to learn that according to some uneducated grevience ingrained dumbarse in NZ their loved ones were not victims of the Holocaust, because their bodies weren't actually burned.
reach1968 2 years ago
Maori were gunned down, thrown off cliffs once made prisoners, locked in Dunedin caves in the middle of winter without any warmth, women, children starved to death due to crops and storehouses bruned to the ground. Read some books, even better read Govt correspondence in the 1860's it is all right there, if you know how to research that is. The Ati Awa people killed many Moriori and married Moriori, they were taken down there by Pakeha ships, that is in history books.
moheka30 2 years ago
Setting aside the fact that the most reliable historical accounts record that those ships were more than likely "commandeered forcibly" its still allways the pakehas fault eh. The pakeha ship owner must have made all those maori slaughter, rape, and enslave the peacefull moriori.
just like the pakeha made the maoris take up smoking
reach1968 2 years ago
so you say most reliable historical accounts, I am a librarian, and I the only ship taken by force was the Boyd. You are mistaken when you generalise when you state that Maori wiped out the Moriori, in fact it was the Ati Awa and Ngati Mutunga tribes that were forcibly taken down there, to be removed from the land that settlers wanted in Taranaki, they were dumped on Rekohu (Chatham Island) by Pakeha.
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reach1968 2 years ago
ME AND dontforgettheballs ARE PROULD STAUNCH GAY LOVERS
MrWhitepowerNZ 2 years ago 2
there was no holocaust. this is just bs. the moaris were treated well compared to other natives. i dont see the abos or indians getting mass claims and spending it all at the tab and liquor land. complete bollox
Nickmard 3 years ago
its that mentality that feeds the next generation of ignorant up and coming baldheads. our system is unique thats why there are no mass claims anywhere else. Treatment is not the immediate issue - manipulative occupation is, along with the crucial historic 'broken covenant' drama. and we dont spend claim compensation at the pub, ignomard.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
BOOOO HOOOOOO! Some ingorant wanker has called this video "the holocaust".
How stupid are some people?
dontforgettheballs 2 years ago
Judging by my knowledge of you george id say pretty stupid indeed :P
MetalRose001 2 years ago
Rose - quick yes or no question. Is the word Halocaust reffered to as a one off event in history or as a generic term?
Yes or No answer.
dontforgettheballs 2 years ago
No...
MetalRose001 2 years ago
Wait, do you mean yes or no to the first point or yes or no to the second? Or yes or no to both? *Confused*
MetalRose001 2 years ago
I cant help it George, i must elaborate! The term holocaust to me is not a one off action. The word itself means to be scorched and destroyed. The word is used in this video in correlation to the scorched earth policy used firstly on Tuhoe back in the land confiscations era as well as the massacres of many hapu in that area around the same time and for the same purpose to invade and occupy the region.
Holocausts have been happening all over the world since WW2 george
MetalRose001 2 years ago
well you are wrong. You can call it genocide or ethnic cleansing if you like (but its not). This video is ignorant in its name and historical value. Watch the guy in it. Duhhh!! You cant call it the holoicaust because that happened to the jews in ww2.
dontforgettheballs 2 years ago
Im not wrong george, thats impossible. For one it wasnt ethnic cleansing, it was removal of native inhabitants to occupy the land. Genocide perhaps. Like i said, the holocaust isnt exclusive to what happened to the Jews & the Roma of Germany - now that was ethnic cleansing. If we introduced racial segregation, would we be able to call that Apartheid? As this is in the same sort of exclusive policies you seem to believe can only happen once.
MetalRose001 2 years ago
so you want racial segregation? Wow! Thats one backward mutha fucking way of looking. FYI Rose, you are wrong. as stated before - the Holocaust was a one off event, not a generic term. Thats why Maori are chastised for saying it. It shows a severe lack of knowledge.
dontforgettheballs 2 years ago
I didnt say that! I said if! To prove a hypothetical scenario where a supposed one off event can be mirrored and still be called a term that previously was exclusive to its first occurance and in thus becoming a generic term!
MetalRose001 2 years ago
You are thinking in terms of Maori being one big tribe, well news flash, they weren't, get that point of fact straight. In terms of individual hapu and iwi, there were attempts of holocaust, it was just lucky those targeted groups were adept at hiding from roving Colonial troops. The Jews were slaughtered on such a scale, is because they were lied to by their Nazi captors. Colonial troops never hid the intentions however. Whole hapu were wiped out, that is a holocaust.
moheka30 2 years ago
Nice try at history rewriting. But regardless of tribes maori are all one race. And regardless of your melodramatic one sided portrayals (that could just as easily be used to describe what maori did to maori) the fact remains there has never been an effort made by europeans to elliminate maori as a race. No holocaust for Maori sorry. Just poor woe is me maori wanting to over dramatise things so that they can blame others for their own state of affairs.
reach1968 2 years ago
The term is rewriting history, not history rewriting, I would have to disagree, the Irish are Irish because some ethnographer has classified them into this catergory, same as the Scots, yet they have their own distinctive clans, and warred against each other. Your ignorance is astounding, you cannot grasp the simple fact of a ethnic profile. The Croats are Croats, the Serbs are Serbs, the Bosnian are Bosnian's, yet people like you would call them Yugoslavs in the past. You argument is flawed.
moheka30 2 years ago
The pure fact that holocaust is being denied by Europeans here is the issue, not the social-economic situation that Maori are in, there are people that deny the Jewish Holocaust never happened despite the evidence, there is evidence also that the same happened here, per capita and on a microcosimic the stats prove that over 87% of the Maori population was wiped out post European contact, now can you see a pattern? hmmm
moheka30 2 years ago
I find it highly comical that some dumbass trying to divide maori into different races just so that he can feed his own grievence ingrained outlook with the ridiculas notion of a holocaust thinks I am ignorant.
reach1968 2 years ago
You know what, pakeha fascinate me. They always have. I find the whole 'white way of life' incredibly amusing, if not completely strange. Tis a guilty pleasure of mine to find out how they work. I dont even understand my own white whanaunga. Its true I have deep resentment towards baldheads, but the mentality of the culture is intriguing. Its fair to say I suppose that I have a sick 'love/hate' relationship with them all. Lol.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 5
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so be it - shame, because i like money, travel, fine resturants and clothes and seeing meeting and making friends with people who love life and want to get on with it. Those who strive to open wounds of the past are the losers - and thats a shame. My last holiday was 3 weeks ago. A week in bali, a day in london to meet my boss for lunch, check my house to make sure the tenants hadnt smashed it up. bongs with my brother then 4 days partying in sweden. Or i could try to free my oppsessed
georgewtwat 3 years ago
And what prey, makes you think one cant do/have both? To dwell on the past isn't the same as living in it.
We are born into this you know. Its a plight I cant turn away from even though I want/try to. Some of us are bound by it. We will never be free.
But you, you go right ahead and live it up. Count yourself lucky you dont have to pay for the deeds of your forebears & our enemies like the rest of us do.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
@MetalRose001 LOL glad I'm part Maori to help balance it out.
akira543 2 months ago
Torque - i havent finished with you yet
MetalRose001 3 years ago
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Bring it on whenever you're ready Rose.
torqueingheads 3 years ago
Ok I will! Just as soon as you remind me what we were arguing about lol. I've seemed to have lost track of who said what now haha.
MetalRose001 3 years ago
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travel**
BradV8 3 years ago
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I mean running around talking like a morron - Ahh bro - sup cuz... etc - that gna help Maori.. No - it wont. U never catch my family talking like a "whory"
BradV8 3 years ago
Its just speech. No different from how other cultures and nationalities speak in their ways. Calling some 'bro'doesn't hold us back nor is it speech of the mere 'hori'. Now you're just grasping at straws brad. There is nothing wrong with the manner in which we speak. Grow up.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
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Dosnt hold back? Ok I would never employ anyone that walked into my office and said - Sup Cuz, hows it hanging.. .... jesus.
BradV8 3 years ago
Im not saying slang speak is professional. I dont talk like that all the time, but only to those who will understand me/it. A lot of people are like that. We speak the way we have to at any given moment. I wish more people spoke like people back home here. Who knew speaking fluent english constantly could be such a struggle.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
I dont expect either of you to understand our torment or our plight. But dont you dare tell me its all an illusion. It did happen. Maybe not to others - but it defintely happened to my ancestral lands. And its not only over land do we/I have issues. Its gonna take more than an apology to put things right.
Be patient.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
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I'm telling you exactly that, you must be aware of the Ngawha claim before the Waitangi Tribunal. The area was first surveyed in 1873 and title to the block in question was awarded to Heta Te Haara who by 1894 had sold the lot. Now Ngapui are claiming kaitiaki and rangatiratanga were'nt part of the deal. Thats usually how it works, as soon as the white man builds something like a geothermal power station or anything worth some cash, Maoris will immediately renag on the deal.
torqueingheads 3 years ago
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Ngapui are claiming the steam that powers the Ngawha geothermal station is 'taonga' and therefore is a resource that belongs to them. Call us cynical Rose but we do start to wonder about claims like these and others such as claims concerning the allocation of radio frequencies and recompense for insulting a 'Taniwha". You only have to read the list before the Waitangi Tribunal and you begin to question the motive of these tribes.
torqueingheads 3 years ago
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yes claims such as the air space.. "we arnt gna charge to use it" "We will never charge the public to go up Mt such and such" then as soon as its awarded back - they milk it.. the DO charge the public and the do sell things off wer they can. Some of the claims are made by cleaver "Processional Maori" they know what they can get by crying like an injurd deer with ther hand outs. Look how well Maori do in Aussie.. its because they cant sit on ther asses. They gta work. And when they do.they do wel
BradV8 3 years ago
The enviroment is different in Ozzie. You're not regarded as scum of the earth over here. In Oz Maori are right up there with the general australian population. Back home is just tension this and negativity that. In OZ Maori are free of being regarded as criminal society bludgers. That is why we do well. Because we're physically away from all the shit.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
yeah.. and because the Aussies are 2 busy being racist toward the Abos.
BradV8 3 years ago 2
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And as far as the prison is concerned, it was built on crown land and surely its location would be an advantage in respect to the localisation of inmates.
torqueingheads 3 years ago
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do we have to say sorry to tane and a selection of taniwhas to get forgivness?
georgewtwat 3 years ago
I never said anything about apologies or forgiveness for the past. It isn't the current governments fault. Only a fool would think that the anwser.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
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yeah.. more cash will tho right?
BradV8 3 years ago
Not for me it wont. I never wanted their settlement money. And neither do any of my family. Our plight is bigger than that. You're just looking at the smaller picture. I dont want their guilt money - I wont be bought off.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
Such things done to us leave a festering wound that will take a very long time to heal.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
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The 'festering wound' was left in your head by your parents or whoever filled you with hate over something that didn't happen. Or at least didn't happen to the extent that you've been told. 94 percent of Maori land was sold at market value and the 6 percent or 1.9 million acres confiscated wasn't in use and it wasn't stolen from you but your distant ancestor.
torqueingheads 3 years ago
Agreed. I was fed resentment for the bullshit done to our people. But it did happen. Or are you telling me my grandmothers land wasn't taken by force for the purpose of plonking a prison on top of it? Are you telling me that was all in head? This didnt happen 200 years ago, this was in my lifetime! Like I said, the struggle continues. My ancestors didnt sell Ngawha - it was TAKEN. I know, I was there.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
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After Maori had traded their land for muskets in the 1820s and 1830s that's when the holocaust began, ancient rivalries were settled and an estimated 20,000 were killed in inter-tribal battles.
torqueingheads 3 years ago
I live in America and am curious about learning about maori pride here... it's interesting how things are similar all over the world
BrianPsychicBabystar 3 years ago 2
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well brian, there are 2 races in NZ. One of us are descendnts of eurpeans. A large % of other wont stop putting thier hand out, crying about stuff that happened 200 years ago. Yet they are fully intergrated into our society, schooling system, infact they have their own specaal little racist sections in governement, thier own special little racist sports teams & votes in elections. They get land back (that was sold not stolen) then ask for it back 50 0dd years later. Its all interting
georgewtwat 3 years ago
the truth behind helen whatsernames banning of the H word is NZ's subvervise brown nosing of Israel's occupation of Palestine. By claiming to be the only victims of the H word, Israel continues to occupy Palestinan whenua so that they can visit the H word on the Palestinians...
dreamasheema 3 years ago 2
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maoris killing maoris isnt a holocaust. There is only ewver been one holocaust - would you call ethnic cleansing a holocaust or ethnic cleansing? In Bosnia or rwanda it was ethnic cleansig. So here we have savages killing savages - its just a mass killing. Holocaust isnt a GENERIC word. it only ever will happen once.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
who cares if i cant spell...................
our day will come let babylon kingdom fall down.................
i bow down to nothing only to my maunga....
CHASE THOSE CRAZE BALDHEADS OUT OF TOWN
CaPiTaRnn 3 years ago 2
who cares bout the baldheads..
its all about the tanga te whenua.fuck every one else. lets take over and run all of aotearoa.HARTY HARTY
CaPiTaRnn 3 years ago
Stop embarassing yourself. For starters, its tangaTA whenua. Who are you to claim you have the right to take over our country, im maori full on and its mamae to see my own so ignorant nd arrogant towards this, im not shunting your views, but this sort of act is the sort which divides our country. If we want the pakeha to treat us properly, we need to lead by example.
We need to let go of the mauahara and act, instead of just talk. Listen to what the videos saying. But thats just my opinion.
xAlaskax 3 years ago 3
who cares if i cant spell its all baldhead words anyway.we didnt hav a written language so baldheads gave us there englishletters.and who am i i and we are living proof of the distraction they brought upon us.and they were more ignorant and arrogant towards our people when they were raping abusing kiling the innocent ones of our ancestor and stole wat was ours.we shudnt have be treated properly its should have alredy been like that
i bowdown to nothing only to my maunga...
CaPiTaRnn 3 years ago
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who are you calling a ballhead mujulips?
georgewtwat 3 years ago
no need to swear -- ki te hiahia nei e koe i tenei aahuatanga -- well get off ur butt and du something yourself.! and awhina mai, ka ea ai nga wawata.!
piihau 3 years ago 3
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get over yourself - nz will be the new zimbabwe if that ever happened. maoros fuck maoris over more than european descendants ever have. you are incapable of governing yorselves, even though the brits have made nz into a 1st worls country. About time we sent you a bill for that.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
A bill?? U got our fking land u twit thts payment enough. We could have run this country, unless your a educated tohunga or something, u hav no right to determine wht could have happened. So plz, stfu!!
xAlaskax 3 years ago 3
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You had a thousand years to run the country and you didn't run anything. Neolithic stone-age cannibals, engaged in an endless cycle of fudalism is as far as you got and would ever have got. Without Europeans NZ would be as advanced as Zimbabwe, face it, you're a primitive race incapable of governing yourselves.
torqueingheads 3 years ago
And i suppose your qualified to make those statements?? I doubt it. We had a more civilised society than early age europeans, its called adaptation. No one knows wht could have happened so dont even start. Even if we didnt become westernised, atleast we would have had our land and our dignity. We handled situations our way, who r u to judge it, ur ancestors were way worse.
LilMissLaska 3 years ago 3
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And even with our guidance you still haven't come to grips with the 21st century. Maoris have the most apalling social issues of any race, 51% of male prison inmates, 70% of female. Ten times more likely to commit serious crime, a propensity to kill your children, a dependacy on the state, all equate to a primitive inadequate race. And don't give me the old "victim of colonisation" bullshit, as an excuse it's wearing a bit thin.
torqueingheads 3 years ago
So what if we are an 'inadequate' race in this modern white society. What are you trying to say? That just because we dont adapt to your lifestyle - because we dont fit your expectations - because you lack the understanding of our culture, we are then below you? Is that what this is all about TQ? You just want someone to say how much greater your murderous ancestral bloodline is over ours? Thats pathetic.
Tell me now honestly, what is it you fucking want man!
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
Oh you are a peice of work arent you. For your info, we were governing ourselves quite nicely before you lot came along. Just because we battled & killed each other doesn't mean we lacked governance. Maori aren't one people - we are many confederation of sub-tribes. And just because you dont have the stomach for human flesh doesn't mean it is an act of evil.
And your ancestry aint too shit hot either. If ever there was incapability & faliure in governance look no further than ur own history
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
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Confederation of sub-tribes my arse Moari were never a confederation of anything, they've always loathed eachother. Cannibalism isn't evil, wtf.
torqueingheads 3 years ago
We never 'loathed' each other. We killed each other true. But not out of hate. Not like how your anglo & scandanavian tupuna drove the welsh out of their homeland before calling it their own. If any race has a fetish for murder and destruction it is your own. And let us not forget the antics of your german, american & roman whanaunga.
Cannibalism isnt evil. It is against the law true. But evil? Says who?
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
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haha - if there were Moas around still they would have a right to complain about a holocaust. I mean how stupid is that?? making a primary source of food and cloithing extinct??
georgewtwat 3 years ago
How were we to know they were going extinct?
What were we suppose to do, tape tracking devices on them so we could decifer on our high tech computer programs how many were dying anually? Physically go out and count them all every week maybe? Now that is stupid!
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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but you guys were "governing yourselves perfectly" werent ya? Us dumb white fellas had farming figured out at about the same time.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
What the fuck does governance have to do with farming? We survived didnt we? So we must have had enough food. We were hunter/gatherers not farmers. What were we suppose to do anyway? Milk imaginary cows?
Look see, you ridicule our culture still, despite it not being our fault you are on the bottom tier of the special treatment ladder.
Id say your issue with Maori goes beyond mere jealousy of government funding. You just dont like us, admit it.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
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i dont like all the hard luck story exagurated effects of how hard done by maoris think they have been on here, like this one, "holocaust" fuck whatever, the holocaust was a one off event, not a generic term. - I have to comment. "staunch maori", "mean moari" sounds so stupid!
Now dont you think that even hunter gathers would see that when food is getting really hard to catch you might think of say keeping the same animals in enclosed shelters and breeding them??
georgewtwat 3 years ago
The thing is george, we were hard done by. Im not moaning, Im just saying thats how the majority of us feel, because its true. Some take that 'victim mentality' to the extreme - allowing it to take precedence over our present prediciment & placing blame where its not entirely fair to place. Old wounds take a long time to heal & thats just the reality of it. Be patient.
RE: comments like 'mean maori' - well they sound alright when said properly, otherwise yes, they can tend to sound silly
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
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but you wernt hard done by - thats the thing. Abos Indians (both american and indian sub continent) were hard done by. As ive said before, always intergrating into schooling and public systems. take a look on trademe at NZ banknotes from the 1930s. There is no queen, its maori chiefs!
georgewtwat 3 years ago
We were hard done by george, whether you accept it or not. I dont expect you to understand because it wasn't done to you, however, you know the story, use your imagination. How would you feel if your land was stripped away from you?
Maybe we didnt get it nearly as bad as the Abos and Native American Indians did - but that doesnt distract from the fact that it did happen. I could tell you of blatant racism used on my grandmothers generation in an effort to eradicate our language...
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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Ive seen my grandads school photos, there r loads of brown faces in the same class - that was 90 years ago - Im sorry, I agree with torqe yes there was a small amount of confiscation which was bad and has been apoligied for hundreds of times. Various govs have tried to make it right yet the hand is still out and the militant warrior race still wants 2 fight about it rather tht moving into the 21st century. If the maori language was irradicated why are 70% of place namres in NZ still maori?
georgewtwat 3 years ago
To name cities with maori names is different to having actual native speakers. My grandmother was strapped if she spoke Maori at school. Why? Because of the bullshit curriculum and schooling policies.
The government may correct & apologise for past wrongs but that doesn't put things to rights especially when in the same breath they take whatever they please & continue to hold our heads under the water.
In time the wounds will heal, but until then the struggle continues.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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i think you will find lefthanders were also strapped in trhis period of time. \dont taske everything so personally.
I think you guys should look at what you have now, be thankful and move on. Harden up rose, its 2008. Nothing can undo the past. govs have tried to make it right but you cant take yes for an answer!
georgewtwat 3 years ago
Dont you tell me to harden up. Ive seen more than you know and still I have the restraint to remain somewhat in control.
Its you who is forever bitching and moaning about the injustice of it all. Ridiculing us and belittling our culture with cruel intent as if its all our fault! If anyone needs to stop taking things personally, it is you george
I am grateful that my people didnt endure the horror that other indigenious peoples did. But that doesnt make our plight unworthy of the fight.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
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Rose.. ther isnt really a fight here. Trust me - you need to travil kid. Ul come back and realise how easy we have it. Our problems are nothing next to other cutlures. Maori have it sweet if u think about it. Really think. I mean - we have a bloody great Nation..we dont have war here.. we dont get hate crimes.. we dont have huge crime really on the world scale.. sure the Labour Gvt blow - but National will be in soon.. We have a clean nation..we have a healthy nation..
BradV8 3 years ago
I would if i could brad. But i have too many debts and criminal convictions to go any further than australia lol.
Im not saying I hate home. I miss it, bullshit and all. But im not as gullible as to think that National will 'wipe the slate clean'. If there is anyone in parliament to fear, its those bastards!
There is a fight back home, but you just dont see it because you're on the other side of the fence.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
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u have criminal convictions?
BradV8 3 years ago
Its not as bad as you think, but enough to prevent me from risking entering other countries. And even if I didnt have any crosses next to my name I cant get a working visa. Im stuck in this god forsaken hell hole for who knows how long.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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Wow what the hell did u do? I dont know u so dont worry about losing face.
No offence but I have NO time for crimz!! A little while back some punk attacked me when when he was drunk at a party. lol Because im not a drug taking dip shit from south alks I took him to the cleaners, Im a big guy - but I didnt lay a fingure on him - I got him wer it hurt. His wallet and his name. He now cant travel! AT ALL! he got kicked out of uni and I cost him and his family close 2 $40 grand! Thats what u GET!
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MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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thats true - but im one for harsh punishment! I dont think weak limp wristed-ness should have any place in the law.
BradV8 3 years ago
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I mean bs aside!! When u have people bitching over things as dumb as ownership of radio waves and beachs - things arnt bad! We eat well.. we have fishing.. boating.. good schools...u can go out at night and not get shot. Its great! We just need to sort our shit out.
BradV8 3 years ago
Beaches and land isn't a dumb thing to argue over, not for us and apparently not to our government either.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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I dont see why Maori should own some of the beaches they ask for. U gta realise tho some land should be given back - ther is ALOT of money grabbing going on. Alot of hand outs and extra things Maori just shouldnt get.. but we/they do because we have a pethetic tall poppie nation at the moment.
BradV8 3 years ago
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I mean the rep Maori have in NZ is terriable.. I mean Tame iti and Hone.. we can do better than those 2 fk wits. Both have done NOTHING in ther lives to even warrent listening to them.. All they do is spit hate and get away with massive racist comments ..it fks me off. I mean only a true brain washed FOOL would follow an idiot like Tame iti or Hone and his pack of black power family. He makes me sick and id tell him to his face no problem. In fact id love 2.
BradV8 3 years ago
I love Hone.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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u love Hone.. girly - you wouldnt if u learned a little Hone family history. Ud probly wanna beat the shit outa him.. like I would like 2. I wont - because Im not a fool. U should go look up what his family did - infact look into "Mrs Titewhai Harawira of the Carrington Hospital Maori Unit"
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MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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No Hones a fkn loser. Sorry - hes isnt as bad is the rest of his family - but he is a racist.
BradV8 3 years ago
In a way yes, he is racist. Thats part of the reason why I love him :)
At least he is doing something about what he thinks should be done. Instead of bitching about the problem on controversial maori videos posted on youtube...hint hint.
MetalRose001 3 years ago
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hint hint.. I do this 2 vent lol.
Because it FUCKS me off how dumb most people are. I feel like shakin them - or slapping them silly! Its like FUCK!! GO TO SCHOOL! WORK HARD! STOP DRINKING SO MUCH! PUT DOWN THE BONG! GET A FUCKING JOB! I realise alot of them arnt like that.. but a crazy number are! I mean just read the statistics!
BradV8 3 years ago
Ok, you just described me with that little eruption lol. True i work long hours, but thats purely to pay my fines so I can go home lol. I wouldnt say Im dumb, but i was kciked out of school young and have a soft spot for alcohole & specific narcotics. Some people just cant handle it. But dont blame the booze or the P or the lack of schooling. Blame the person. Look at me, I did all that stuff and I turned out just fine! LOL!
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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No offence.. just fine? U have a criminal conviction.. I WILL SAY - however bloody good job for what ur doing now! But stay they fk away from drugs. I drink - but I dont do drugs. I know people who do.. idiots. I know people worth millions who do drugs.. its not just the poor. I know this. But it dosnt help doz it!
BradV8 3 years ago
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i smoke weed - when im on holiday, neverwhen im working. ;o)
georgewtwat 3 years ago
Weed makes me sick, cant do it.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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weed.. typical uni drug.. that an e
BradV8 3 years ago
Weed...drug for amateurs
MetalRose001 3 years ago
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about 10 years ago i used to smoke everyday - now a 2 week blowout on holidays is enough. It is bad for you. All drugs are - moderation is the key!
georgewtwat 3 years ago
Oh shaddap u! Stop trying to sound cool! Everyone here knows you're just an uptight honkie! LOL!
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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MetalRose - more examples of your racist words - honkie.. you forgetting your part honkie buddy? mayb u should go punch your self in the face if u hate whites so much.
Fucking hell these activists usin the words Holocaust is pritty fkn rude to the Jews - like Maori problems even come close 2 what the Jews went thrw is an insult.
BradV8 3 years ago
Were you drunk when you wrote this & that other message? Honestly Brad, you're slipping. You're babbling profusely and i dont know what to make of you anymore. You're so weird sometimes.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 4
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i was talking about your old comment - wer u called some one a honkey.. clearly.
BradV8 3 years ago
totally agree - the word holocaust isnt a generic term. Its a one off event. But as usual a spupid maori has posted this totally ignorant of things like facts.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
its also stupid. the holocaust is a one of event, not a generic term. If dreamer maori must call it something call it genocide (even though it wasnt) bunch of fucken cry babies eh Brad?
georgewtwat 3 years ago
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Id recommd going back to school or uni when u can - and please for the love of god dont study Maori cutlure or bsket making or some nothing papers. Do somthing that will give u the means to help (seeing as u want 2 so much) A Maori cutlure paper is a luxury paper - its not a must.
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MetalRose001 3 years ago
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u can do more if u dont haft to worry about how ur gna pay for milk! lol
BradV8 3 years ago
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look after yourself - the smarty ones will follow. The ones that want to cry and make stupid videos about 1) being oppressed, holocausetsted or ripped off by the treaty face generations of hardship. The ones that forget about, move on and play the 1st western world game will be the winners.
this whole maori "struggle" really is pathetic. It would be like me wanting northern itreland back off the brits making a huge deal about it. In reality im out for mine - hard work and focus is key!
georgewtwat 3 years ago
Well that sux. Christ you must think Im deluded or something. Just because I dont hark back to the dark ages in our defence doesn't mean I dont recognize it. Our 'struggle' may seem pathetic to you, but then again, you dont really matter in the whole scheme of things. You look out for yours george & I'll look out for mine.
If I were you I'd want Northern Ireland back, those Irish really got it bad
I will never live by your concept of living. I find the whole pakeha way of life just bizarre
MetalRose001 3 years ago 3
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see thats the difference - i really coulddnt give a fuck. I could carry on about it a get all shitty - or use the British system of get smart, get a good paying job in the corporate world, travel the world and enjoy it - harping on about some struggle is pointless, and yes in the big scheme of things I am pointless but hey, Im getting phat doing it!
georgewtwat 3 years ago
Well therin lies the great difference between us. A void so deep it will never be filled.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 5
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brothers from ireland who have suffered the creul hardship of having the british invade 400 years ago - please. Tell me whats more fun.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
Christ you must think we're just a pack of depressed whingers or something. We dont eat, sleep and breathe what happened 200 years ago or even this present day. Its a thing that sits at the back of your mind only to rear its ugly head when provoked.
And dude, nobody has 'fun' like Maoris do, lol.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 5
thats because YOU CAME BETTER OFF you twat. We will harp on about all our struggle, and make it known, its part of our history.
PacificNemesis 3 years ago 3
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no one is listening - half the maori i see are incapable of running a bath, let alone a country.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
everyone i listening, no one has a choice in New Zealand, its all over the news, you hear it then you go "fuk u Maoris are moaners" and so you do listen. As for the bath comment AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHA thats pretty funny, even for you.
PacificNemesis 3 years ago 2
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cheers pacific - as well as being smart as fuck im also fucking funny. Just because we hear moaning doesnt mean we are listening. Its like a chick, when she nags you just switch off.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
I beg to differ george, making the Maori language an offcia language, the starting of our kindergartens (kohanga reo) and schools (kura kaupapa). The tribunal, the land claims, the investments, you's are listening alright. :) and yea that whole chick, nag thing, hahahaha, but then we end up doing whatever she is nagging about anyway.
PacificNemesis 3 years ago 2
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Lets see how that changes after National get in.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
Lol, i was actually at a confrence the other day, and they were saying that if National gets in to power, and they get rid of the Māori seats, and hence the Māori role, there would be such a huge flood back in to the electorates that National will have no chance and next elections because those that were on the maori role would vote Labour. And that was coming from a Naitonal analysist.
PacificNemesis 3 years ago 3
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we will see - id like to see all treaty claims settled and the seats abolished. Come on pacific dont you think its racist?? I see those seats driving a wedge between the 2 races.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
Yeah treaty claims should be settled thats fair enough, but the Māori seats should not be abolished. How are they racist? Just because they make sure there are 7 Māori in parliment who are trying to bring Māori issues in to Parliment? How does it effect Pākeha?
PacificNemesis 3 years ago 2
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It effects a lot of european descendents (doent pakeha mean white flea??) because we think its racist. There are 20 maori PMs in parliment now. Every party will have Maori members as they know maori will vote along those lines, and with MMP you will have at least 7. There are even Chinese and indian members of parliment. Do we give them thier own seats too? I just think its time to move away from it - once the treaty claims are settled. And I think would like to see that done quickly.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
actually Pakeha does not mean white flea hahaha, it actually is derived from the word pakehakeha which means white skinned, and is now used today as a name for European New Zealanders. The diffrence is george is that Indians and chinese can go back to there own countries and have a voice, where can Maori go? You dont understand the processes of treaty claims, move them too fast and you may miss something, and then in twenty years time there will be more submissions and protests!
PacificNemesis 3 years ago 5
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Ok thanks for the correction - but move too slow and take 200 odd yers and it piss taking. There must be a way to do it quickly. It irks most white kiwis that its constantly brought up as a wedge or excuse for almost everything. Id like ot see it fairly brought to an end.
georgewtwat 3 years ago
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Pacific.. whats this about buddy?
What do you want for Maori I guess is the question!?!?!
BradV8 3 years ago
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U like him cos hes a racist... what?
Hes a fkn drop kick - why should anyone listen to him.. what has he done to make me think he knows what hes doing.. the answer... isssssss NOTHING - yip - sweet FUCK ALL. Hes just a professional complainer! Who hates white people.. for some reason.
BradV8 3 years ago
Hone speaks for Maori, not nessacarily for all New Zealanders. He has the whole country's interests at heart, but Maori are his main priority.
Im a tad racist myself, so i can relate.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
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na hes scum - he dosnt help Maori he only makes them wanna blame non Maori for ther problems .. it fks me off u cant see the vicious circle this makes.
BradV8 3 years ago
If thats your interpretation of Hone then that belongs to you. It doesnt make it truth.
Obviously you arent able to fathom anything else about him besides from your own personal distaste. Whatever.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
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Yeah.. I think hes scum. lol deal with it.
BradV8 3 years ago
There is nothing to deal with. I didnt even care in the first place.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2
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fine then... lol
BradV8 3 years ago
Well kids (including george because I know he's been watching) Im outta here. Unlike some, I dont get the luxury of sleep. I'll see you wankers again no doubt.
MetalRose001 3 years ago 2