I myself believe and follow Jesus.He only wants you to accept Him so He can be with you for eternity.Read Mathew and John and I promise your views on Him will change.
i know this man.and his church is a good church.me being a witch saying that really means it must be true.these people really care.but i wonder what happened to the person who introduced me to them doug and what must have happened to him.
he is absolutely right about everything he said here. not all religions can be true about the big importent answers. BUT where is the answer to the question at the top of this video?.... why is christianity right and not other religions? lol this guy talks nicely and impressive, but in almost all his videos he doesn't address the subjects/questions.
christianity isnt even a religion they are stories that teach you how to live right and make a consequence for people who live theyre life basically like an ass
Christianity reminds me of a club that has thousands of other clubs around it..but it's just like "Believe what we do or you won't go to heaven. We're all right, everyone else and all other clubs are wrong"
@k12rising Yes I did, someone who is that intolerant as this man, preaches hate. i think he is absolutely narrowminded and his world view is medevial. in his world 95 % will be put into hell because of a loving god..i mean what is this ?
@captain2ahab - where do you get that from this video?
You know it is okay to hate some things? For example the ignorance of politically correct group think, wouldn't you agree? I mean isn't it anti-intellectual and childlike to say religions that make mutually exclusive truth claims are all correct?
I have no time for dumb, does that make me intolerant in a bad way?
he begins by being rigorous and then ends up being flippant and ignoring the CONTRADICTIONS..Only a deluded believer can surely find any FACTS in this?
All religions claim to be true. They offer NO EVIDENCE as to why they are true, however. That is why religion is pure bullshit. Always has been, and always will be. Blind faith is never 'true."
@7ees That sounds kind of foolish. All of those religions consist of mono worship, which means they believe in a single God. If they all joined, they would all wreck. Christianity all the way!
@7ees Disregard part of my comment. They worship the same God, but they have different beliefs. What I meant to say is that if all of their beliefs of a single God converge, then it would be a mess.
complete, unadulterated good....antithetical to evil. what is good, and what is evil? no one knows. its always changing, according to your views. society decides. the social construct changes. as does complete and utter goodness. on what basis do you say God is malevolent? on YOUR worthless opinion of what is right and wrong. and theres about 2 billion Christians, and almost as many muslims who would disagree with you.
Maybe you misunderstood, IF god is the creator and omnipotent, then he created all. You argue that man or some other of gods creations created sin, but then sin came from his own creations, which means god did create sin. If I build a robot and tell it to build a building, did the robot build the building or did I? Or to avoid confusion, If I am an architect and hire workers to build a building, whose name goes on the building, the workers or the architects?
@StAverti well i definitely wasnt trying to be offensive, but i honestly dont know what you believe. are you talking about eris the goddess from greek mythology? i need to understand your beliefs. if you tell your workers to build a building, you get the credit. now, where does God tell His creation to sin? i can tell you where He tells them the exact opposite, but apparantly im missing something. Where does God tell people, "Hey, go over there and sin".
@soccer21928 Where does god tell people anything? God has never spoken on any record. If you presume to say he bible is god's word, then tell me why there is no book of Jesus, or book of god in the bible. The architect metaphor was illustrative of who creates what. Even though you say humanity created sin (the building), god (the architect) created humanity, and thus sin. If you don't understand the beautiful and enlightening teachings of the fair goddess than you are blind to the world.
@StAverti are you saying that God never spoke in the Bible because theres no book of God or Jesus? youre playing games now. if you have children, then they grow up and murder someone, who goes to jail? youre the one that chose to have the children, so should you be held responsible? and let us be clear, from your point of view, we can not know what good is. it changes as people change. therefore, YOU have no basis to call anyone malevolent, especially God.
@soccer21928 God never did speak in the bible. If you can show me a verse written directly by god, or even Jesus I will give you a cookie. If a human has children, it is completely different than an omnibenevolent and omnipotent being creating an entire universe and all of it's contents. Parents do not have unlimited power, otherwise their children would be perfect according to their standards, which would be pure god if they were omnibenevolent.
@soccer21928 My point of view is different from the point of view forced on Christians by the bible. There is ONLY one world view for true Christians, and it is the bible. If you suggest your own ideas differ from the bibles, than you are not christian. Likewise, any idea's of good and evil held by real Christians must come from the bible, as it is absolute law for them. So stop trying to use MY views to suggest that you aren't bond by your christian holy texts. Because that is YOUR world.
@StAverti im not negating my scriptures. the problem is you just havent meaningfully interacted with the Bible yet. you equate writing with speaking. how in the world can you expect to get anywhere? but you can keep the cookie. youre going in circles. if good and evil are subjective, so are omni bonevolence and malevolece. and since they are subjective, you cant conclude that God is not omnibonevolent, except in your own mind which very few people care about.
@soccer21928 Because neither has occurred. And why would I interact with something so old and used... I could get a nasty disease! And stop pretending you don't know what the word subjectivity means. Subjectivity only counts if you have free thought. Since Christians don't have free thought in the regards of good, evil, benevolent and malevolent (because the bible tells real Christians exactly what those concepts mean to them) then it is a non issue.
@StAverti i agree that as a Christian there is definite good and evil. but you dont believe that so you need to be consistant. YOU believe good and evil is subjective, therefore, from YOUR position,not mine, omnimalevolence and benovolence are also subjective, therefore, from YOUR position,everyone can conclude for themselves if someone is malevolent or benevolent, and thus their conclusion has relevance only in their mind, and you have no basis to call God malevolent but on your opinion.get it?
@soccer21928 That is ridiculous. What is consistency? according to you it is the failure to understand that the universe is not a machine, and that stochastic processes dominate everything around us? I Can call god what ever i like because it doesn't exist. I know it doesn't exist because if it did it would e existing in a paradox. Yes life is subjective, for people with enough sense to understand that no one could ever understand an objective reality (if there even is one).
@StAverti no, consistancy means not going back and adding to your arguement once youve been refuted. if you were consistant, you'd only get credit for your robot's building if you were both omnipotent and omniscient. therefore, your arguement falls apart. now if good doesnt exist, neither does omnibenevolence, so youre attacking a straw man. you criticize God for being something you dont believe exists. what i do need to understand, for about the 4th time, is if zeus is watching.
@soccer21928 I don't criticize a figment of your imagination for being anything. If you have paid any attention you would see I am criticizing you for failing all semblance of logic.
@StAverti i didnt say you had to or were going to believe God audibly spoke. you asked when God did, and i gave you multiple instances in the Bible when God spoke. now whether or not you believe that is a different topic entirely, and frankly not my problem. i answered your question. funny how you think Jehova and Yahweah are not the same. regardless, you didnt answer. do you or do you not worship zeus, the anger management fellow mars, and that whore aphrodite? just answer so i know!
@StAverti why would they be the same? are you saying that the Jews dont worship Jehova? and and you saying Christians do not believe in the God of Abraham, isaac, and Jacob? Christ is the fulfillment of promises God made to the patriarchs and the nation of israel, of course He is the same God. but im still waiting. do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?
@soccer21928 Why aren't you Jewish then? Why not Muslim? Stop pretending your gods are the same as the gods of Jews and Muslims. You aren't a Jew or a Muslim so that's just silly. It seems like you worship Satan. Which is fine, I hear he's been doing pretty well through the recession.
@StAverti because Jesus is the fulfillment of the promises to israel, and now there is no jew or gentile, but we are all one in Christ. i know you disagree, im just tell you why im not a jew. thats one of several reasons. also ,our God (singular) is the same God of abraham. now stop changing the subject. you thought Jehova and Yahweh referred to different Gods. thats embarrassing. they are 2 names for the same God, jews will tell you that too. its all over the old testament.
@StAverti their teachings are not different. Jehova AND Yahweh are 2 different names for God. BOTH names are used of God in the Old testament. its not like Yahweh is the Old testament, and Jehova is the new. youre just showing how ignorant you are. nobody raped mary of course. but i have to ask how you know she was 14? or are you still making up things? thing is, you worship a mythical goddess of chaos and here i was trying to have a rational discussion. makes sense, your just here to argue
@soccer21928 Biblical scholars agree Mary was 14-15 years old when she conceived Jesus. If Jehova and Yahweh are two different gods, then why don't you celebrate Rosh Hashanah, Pesach or Yom Kippur? Why not Ramadan, Ashura, or the Laylat al Miraj? If your god is the same, why aren't the followers the same?
@StAverti Jehovah and Yahweh are NOT 2 different Gods!!!!! thats what ive been saying, but for some reason you cant get that through your skull. 2 names for teh SAME GOD. nobody knows how old mary was, there are all sorts of opinions but we cant be sure. some say she was around 20, some younge than what you said, we just dont know.
@soccer21928 You are not trying to have a rational discussion. Your entire system of beliefs is inherently IRRATIONAL. I'm not here to argue, just point out logical and rational deficiencies in christian religion. As I said before, I don't worship anyone, you are naive to assume that deities and worship are synonymous. But if you want to worship a cannibalistic, filicidal pedophile who commands it's adherents to spread violence and hate; who am I to tell you not to. Say hi to westboro for me.
@StAverti you follow the goddess of discord and strife, dont pretend your interested in rationality.your belief is founded on the exact opposite. you actually think discordians are a valuable part of society, youre brainwashed buddy. you guys are nothing, and will never amount to anything more than a joke to the few people who've heard of your existance. andwhy are you worried about violence and hate. you pardoned hitler remember? if you cant condemn him, dont even start with God. consistancy!
@StAverti You were raised Atheist right? Well i was raised in a Christian home and decided that tis is what i believe, and i can think of a lot of reasons why ( in just my life.) you should at least not stomp on others beliefs. I dont see how you could call Jesus a "pedophile", but im not going to call you anything. 1. I've seen his face.
2. I see 20/70 and i had a surgery where there was a good chance i could lose my eye sight all together. And, you will meet him eventually.
@StAverti you know who's doing really well in the recession? eris. nobody's heard of her, so she doesnt have to worry about taxes. but notice how you are so ashamed of your own religion, you wont even admit you worship zeus. dont get me wrong, you should be embarassed. im just putting it in writing now. this is great. zeus. oh i almost forgot, tell dionysis to try and get sober once and a while, and maybe its a good thing he and eris only exist in the minds of people like you.
@soccer21928 I don't worship anyone, let alone Zeus. Just because I had a one night stand with that b!tch a few years ago doesn't mean I worship her either. Don't get all butt hurt because your god sucks at BJ's. And why are you hating on Dionysus? At least he didn't rape a 14 year old girl, get her knocked up, and then kill the child; after forcing him to tell all of his followers to eat hm and drink his blood of course...
@soccer21928 Though I do have to admit, worshiping a tranny takes courage.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
@soccer21928 In essence, as you have stated, to christians there is a definite good and a definite evil. Since christians regard their god as all loving, then either there is no evil in the world, or they are mistaken. So which is it, is there no christian defined evil in the world? or are you mistaken? You can't have your cake and eat it too, either {god is as the bible says (all loving, all seeing and all powerful) and there is no evil} or {the bible is false}.
@StAverti there would only be a contradiction if God had tried and failed to destroy evil. then he wouldnt be omnipotent. or if God loved and endorsed evil, then he wouldnt be truly loving. however, if it is not God's will to destroy evil at the present time, but by His mercy He has given His creation the chance to receive forgiveness, then God remains omnipotent and benevolent. God allowing evil to exist for now doesnt negate his power or goodness, but rather sheds light on his grace and mercy.
@soccer21928 But god didn't destroy evil, although he purportedly is good. Crimes of omission are no less than crimes of commission.Good does not show mercy to evil, that's just a fancy way of saying god likes helping evil out (not something good deities are known for). So if it were to allow evil to exist, than it could not be a good deity. An all loving god has no need for its subjects to earn forgiveness, it gives it to all.
@StAverti listen to me. God did not destroy evil YET because He has not YET decided the time is right. when God tries to destroy evil, He will. God is not helping evil, evil will be destroyed, that is certain.but God in mercy gave humans, who deserve his wrath, the chance to turn away from evil before the judgment. God 's not helping evil, it will be destroyed. what God is doing is giving us the chance to not be destroyed ALONG WITH evil.
@soccer21928 By allowing evil to exist in it's universe, god is helping evil. just because you suggest it is only temporary does not negate the fact that a god that is supremely good would not allow evil to exist, period. Not for a microsecond, not for a minute, not for a day, not for eternity.
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@StAverti He didnt create sin. Humans chose to be disobedient, and God allowed us to live with our decisions. so tell epicurus that He is able and willing to destroy the evil that we brought upon ourselves. but He allows evil to exist for a time because we're not robots, and since we're rational creatures their are consequences for the things we do. so its not a problem for us. the problem would be for you. without God there is no good or evil anyway, youre using a straw man.
@soccer21928 God according to Christians is omnipotent and created everything (including sin). If God allows evil to exist at all while he is able to destroy it, then he is not benevolent. We brought nothing on ourselves if god created us along with everything else. Good and evil are completely subjective concepts, yet the bible tells Christians what is good and evil. The logical conclusion hasn't changed since 300 BC, If god is both omnipotent and benevolent, than evil would not exist.
@StAverti how are you going to tella Christian what Christians believe? youre speaking without knowledge. God created everything perfect. sin came into existance when God's creation rebelled. if you have an adult child, you can advise them not to do something stupid, but just because you allow them to make a mistake doesnt make you malevolent. God wants us to follow Him because we love Him, not because there is no alternative. and again, you cant talk about good and evil as an atheist.
@soccer21928 You are equating human parents with god. If god was benevolent and omnipotent his creations would be perfect and devoid of evil or the propensity to do evil. Allowing evil to exist when you have the power and ability to stop it, does in fact make you evil and malevolent. If god wanted our love he would love us as well, not threaten eternal damnation if we do not. I never said i was an atheist, but even if i was good and evil would be human concepts, mutually exclusive of a god.
@StAverti no im not equating the two, im making a connection. a benevolent God's creation would be devoid of evil, but with the ability to choose to remain that way, or to rebel, and thats exactly what we have. a benevolent God would not Rob His creation of the ability to make choices. is the Government wrong to punish someone for breaking the law? especially if we're warned ahead of time of the consequences? that doesnt make it malevolent.
@soccer21928 An all loving god's creations would not have the propensity for evil. That would go against the very nature of an omnibenevolent and omnipotent god. But for arguments sake, say an this all loving god's creations could do evil, that god by it's very nature would eliminate those creations that did evil. The existence of evil in a universe created by an omnibenevolent and omnipotent god is logically unacceptable.
@soccer21928 And yes, the government is wrong to punish some one for breaking the law. The government is not omnibenevolent or omnipotent, and cannot discern reality on any reliable basis. This causes a great many innocent people to be wrongfully incarcerated and even put to death. And even then, who decides what is wrong and right? A 17 year old boy gets 20 years in prison for having consensual relations with a 15 year old girl, A man protects his family from a burglar, and gets put away.....
@StAverti ah, so youre not an atheist or a christian, simply an anarchist. and i was hoping for a rational discussion. ive no idea who this eris fellow is, by the way, im assuming you were joking. so in your opinion, a benevolent God would create beings without free will, where they HAD to obey everything, and were forced to go to heaven. believe me, God willeliminate evil, the Bible is clear about that. but He tolerates it for a time because He is merciful to His creation and wants us to repent
@soccer21928 How disgusting and rude. How dare you insult the devotee's of Eris. I surely welcome you to discuss the relative logical merits of such belief, but sinking to petty insults shows how pathetic and low you and your ilk can be.
@soccer21928 It is not my opinion that an omnibenevolent god would create beings that did not commit evil, by the very definition of omnibenevolence, that must be the case. Free will is certianly not left behind, you assume that there are only ever two choices to make, good and evil. How typically narrow minded of you. An omnibenevolent god's creations could have free will, that hey exercised fully, however since they would know no evil, it would not be one of their options.
@soccer21928 This is the same as you. You have free will to do many good things, many bad things (by a biblical definition) and many things that are neither good nor bad (by biblical standards), however you are unable to do things that are outside of that realm of experience. For instance actions that are beyond the concepts of good, evil and between, how many of those have you partaken in? None of course, because you and I do not understand such things as they are not part of our universes.
@StAverti In a universe without evil, we would not necessarily lose free will, we would just not know evil, and thus never partake in it. So a truly benevolent god would have created humans and all of his creations without the propensity for evil, while still retaining free will. We simply wouldn't know evil, and would exercise our will on activities that were not evil.
@StAverti and until you can tell me more about these other universes, stop talking about things that are not good, bad, or neutral. is your entire arguement built on straw men? as long as you say morality is subjective, stop talking about evil. as ravi zacharias said,for their to be good and evil there must be a moral law. for there to be a moral law, there must be a moral law giver, but that is the one whom you are trying to disprove. see the circular argumentation? its incredibly clear.
@soccer21928 And I can easily tell a christian what Christians believe as they must (by virtue of being a christian) adhere to the tenets of their faith. If some one says they are a christian, but does not believe exactly what christian holy books tell them to, they are liars and not christian. This is the same with muslims, jews and all other restrictive and unenlightened religious groups. So yes, I can actually tell a real christian what they believe, because they must believe the bible.
@autumncathedral yeah, because of course all religions are all right.. try that logic in business, i.e. advertise for your competition saying that "they are just as good as we are" see what happens
So why cant Christians agree on basics? Tell us what the Christian position on birth control is? How about divorce? and what about the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill.. and Christians also disagree on the means of salvation.. Catholics say through the sacrament of Penance they are forgiven and Protestants say its a matter of accepting Christ as Savior.. so the question remains: Why can not Christians agree and why have they spent the last 2000 years fighting over essential parts of Christianity?
That is a VERY good question. If there are about 5000 gods in the world it awakes lot of questions. It means, there is something funny with religions. They cannot be right. They must be man-made for political and power reasons.
@WillyDillyWillyDilly what a stupid ass conclusion. so in other words, just because this particular statement you have made on youtube is idiotic (which it is), i guess that means that everything you have ever uttered in life is idiotic as well? of course not. there are things that you have said that have merit and those that do not. but the fact is this. they have merit not because you acknowledge or agree with them, but in spite of it. truth is truth and has nothing to do with you.
@WillyDillyWillyDilly it has absolutely nothing to do with what is actually true and for an honest person that is the core focus..... not other people and there words. i merely call people out when i see them making disingenuous and hypocritical statements and radically false conclusions based on bogus premises. my motivation is my love for the truth, not merely trying to belittle someone else. but, they are the ones making the statements so my words will always be directed at the source.
"How does one know that God is happy with any religious pursuit?"
Quran:
".... For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ." [Pickthal 5:48]
IMO, as long as one is striving to find the truth, it should count.
@Suiton1 thats your opinion, but in islam you can never know if God will forgive you. didnt mohamed himself have to keep asking god for forgiveness? and arent muslims to this day still supposed to pray for him? lots of people would like for it to be as you say, but it doesnt mean it is that way.
@soccer21928 Well that is a verse from the Quran, so, according to Muslims, it IS there for a reason and solves the question I quoted.
One will be judged about prayer if it is mandated by the religion which you sought to be the true one, which could be meditation in another religion, and so forth. It is more of my-understanding than an opinion.
@Suiton1 Mohammad asking God for forgiveness & praying endlessly in the night, is modesty (we NEVER look at judgment from a positive perspective, it's always the empty half of the cup for us, it would be vain to think one deserves heaven; a bit harsh, I admit), fear of God, showing that he gets no special treatment, and how much should one be thankful. Also prophets are required to do a lot, not the other way around (To whom much is given, ....)
@Suiton1 we christians kind of agree on what you said about judgement. you are right, no one deserves heaven. we all deserve hell because the bible says all men have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. God doesnt just want us to be good, He wants us perfect. God is so Holy that any impurity can never dwell witg Him, thats why even if a person could be 99.9% good, that still isnt enough. in His mercy, God sent his Son to live the perfect life he demands, while taking our punishment.
@soccer21928 You're one sick individual to think human beings deserve to be tortured and fried for eternity..and no wonder with this thinking, people are turning away from religion in droves.
@cumbco im not about to apoligise for believing in Jesus and what He said. but there must have been a lot of sick individuals throughout history who believed as i do, some so "sick" that they were willing to die than recant their beliefs. to be honest your opinion doesnt bother me.
@soccer21928 "Follow me, or I will torture you endlessly", what kind of loving God is that? So the dictators and tyrants of the world who say this to their citizens are in the right as well? There is no difference between God and tyrants in my mind...they both rule in fear.
How many people follow God because they don't want to end up in hell? Nothing to do with loving Him at all. Christians are two faced.
@cumbco God hates sin and will punish it . its not that God isnt loving, but His love doesnt nullify his justice.so what God did in His love and mercy is send His Son to take the punishment instead. if someone rejects God's mercy, they have only themselves to blame. if youre drowning and God sends you a raft, and all you do is spit in His face. God will judge all sin, whether on the cross of calvary, or for eternity in hell. again, you just want to argue so i dont care about your opinion.
@cumbco i didnt condone anything, i dont have a say in this. but if you think me believing the Bible makes me sick, go ahead. but like ive said twice, youre not interested in dialogue you just want to argue, so i honestly dont care what you think.
@soccer21928 And what do you consider dialogue? Someone who agrees with you? And where in the Bible does it say that to recieve salvation you must believe in hell?
@StAverti if youre not an atheist tell me what you are, so i can understand you better. but i agree wiht what you said about the Bible. tell me where in the Bible it says God CREATED sin, and ill become an atheist immediately. im you cant find that verse, tell me why youre being inconsistant with yourself. and if good and evil are human concepts, then every human can interpret good and evil for themselves. you saying theft is evil would be no more valid than me saying tennis is evil. its opinion
@soccer21928 The bible says god created the universe and everything in it. Sin exists in the universe ergo.... And about the evil being purely subjective, you are beginning to understand :) and I am no atheist, I am a pious devotee of the great and wonderful Eris, through whom all of person-kind is saved from spending an eternity as a over 9000 separate horses...
@soccer21928 maybe you misunderstood. i didnt ask for a verse that says God is the creator,but for the verse that says he created sin. read genesis 1, and tell me on which of the 6 days it happened. and about morality being subjective, that doesnt help you. if it is, then i could just as easily say that killing all babies is a good thing, and you would have no grounds to argue. so youve no basis to call God malevolent apart from your own opinion, which is for all intents and purposes worthless.
@soccer21928 If you are suggesting that one of Gods creations was capable of creating evil (perhaps satan or adam and eve) then why would god allow evil to persist. If god were all loving (omnibenevolent) he would destroy evil as soon it was created. You suggest that god allows evil (sin, what ever you want to name it) to exist to test his creations, but he created humans by the bibles account, so what need would he have to test us, he already knows all (omniscient).
@StAverti you cant talk about benevolent. frm your viewpoint, morality does not exist. your definition of omnibenevolence applies only to you, so again its worthless. your entire arguement is based upon a straw man. you call you say God is not omnibenevolent when you do not allow for benevolence to exist in the first place. and when did i say sin is here to test us? i said God lets us live with the consequences of out actions, but when did i say he was testing us?
@soccer21928 You are mistaken. Morality is not dependent on any deity. I already illustrated this through the morals of every single religion (even those with out any such "god"), + secular groups. Any single persons view point is irrelevant, as we are all biased and our experience is subjective. Morality is a social construct, much like you yourself have pointed out. My definition of omnibenevolence applies to any use of the word, and is characterized by complete and utter goodness.
@StAverti i asked you to explain your religion more. regardless, as it seems you belong to, no offense, an insignificant pagan cult, i really dont see how the social construct is on your side. do you also worship zeus and neptune? i need to know! your viewpoint is irrelevant, we can agree. the majority of society definitely isnt on your side. your definition of omnibebevolece applies to you, and only you, you cant expect others to accept this argumentation.
@soccer21928 Insignificant? Erisians hold the most influential positions in society. The difference is they tend not to run around forcing their beliefs on everyone else. So not only is society on my side, it is , to be totally honest against yours. You just wont realize it until it's too late. The majority of society is uneducated, so? The only thing majorities are good for is mucking up the place for everyone else, they are no indication of validity.
@StAverti yes im sure erisians make up a very valuable part of society. its jsut nobodys heard of them. great the dictionary has a definition. and it all comes back to the word "good", which everyone can interpret for themselves. now go look up the words "straw" and "man", as well as "weak" and "arguement". notice how you said God never spoke because He didnt write the books. are speaking and writing the same thing to erisians? again, i really need to know these things.
@soccer21928 Well if you want to get technical, when did god ever speak to anyone? Before you run off citing all the gnostics (still funny that most of the bible was written by gnostics), or god communicating with prophets... I used the word speak, as in audible communication. The voices in one's head do not count as speaking unfortunately.
@StAverti God spoke audibly at Jesus' baptism, at His transfiguration, to moses at the burning bush, and to Jacob shortly before he was renamed Israel, and Christ spoke to paul at his conversion. theres 5 instances. and before you call the Bible old and used remember- ancient greek paganism! and you still havent told me, do you worship zeus or not? just tell me, the guy carries around a lightning bolt for goodness sake! or are you worried that mars might get upset and come after you?
@soccer21928 I didn't hear god speak. Neither has anyone else. Just because you read it in a book doesn't mean you can say it happened. If we play that game than I will just call up my friend superman and we can go to the moon and see if we can find god. Maybe if we listen really hard up there we could hear it. And whats with the hard on for Zeus, are hot bolts of lightening all you think about? How about Yahweh, Jehovah, and Allah, don't you like chatting with them too?
@StAverti now youre just repeating yourself. God allows evil to exist for a time so that His creatures can forsake it. and we dont earn forgiveness. its a gift. we need to accept it, it cant be earned. but because of God's holiness, He will destroy evil. it willbe punished. so why God does not pardon unrepentant sinners, He is patient with them giving them ample time to accept Him and turn from their rebellion.
@soccer21928 If god allows evil to exist at all then god is not good. No matter what semantics you use to suggest he is just, being "merciful" to evil, or "testing" his creatures, if god allows evil to exist for a second than it is not good.
@StAverti please tell me where i said God was testing us. also, tell me where i said He was helping or being merciful to evil. i said He was being merciful His people, not evil. notice how your arguement is so weak you have to put words in my mouth. God has sentenced evil to eternal damnation. postponing eternal punishment for a number of years for the sake of His people is not helping evil's situation at all. again, your denial changes nothing.
@soccer21928 That is to say exactly what it says... Omnibenevolence is the state of complete, unadulterated good. Such a state is antithetical to evil, as one who is the paragon of good would do everything in their power to eliminate evil. You simply don't seem to understand your own concept of god. The bible suggests your god is "ALL loving", or as it were, omnibenevolent. If that true were the case god would love all regardless of their actions, not need a hell, and never create evil.
@soccer21928 Why isn't killing babies good? we are currently suffering from overpopulation, with the death of babies the world would live without putting s much strain on resources, actually having a beneficial effect. So why isn't killing babies good? What about Hitler? If you encountered him as a baby, would killing him be wrong? That has no affect on my argument, as it is your assumption that killing babies is bad, in reality it depends on context, and may or may not be wrong.
@StAverti let me ask you this then. was hitler wrong to kill jews because of their race? is it wrong to murder people because they have five letters in their first name? if you cant answer that, then you have no reason to call God malevolent. at the moment, we cant even agree on a definition of good and evil, or if they exist to begin with. the presence of evil? its all subjective remember? therefore, you can not call God malevolent.
@soccer21928 Lets think about it. Was Hitler wrong to kill people (it wasn't just Jews) because of certain cultural characteristics. There is no correct answer to that. One could say he was, because he slaughtered millions of innocent people. One could also say he was not, because a huge amount of contemporary medical knowledge that has saved countless lives was gained from the records of his doctors and scientists who experimented on the living and dead in his camps. So was Hitler wrong?
@StAverti and by the way, if im blind for not worshipping your pagan goddess, so are almost 7 billion other people. that you live in a world were less than .001% can see correctly goes a long way in determining your credibility and explaining why youre going in circles.
@StAverti your line of reasoning was since God brought about humans and humans brought about sin, God is responsible for sin. so by the same logic, if you bring about children and your children bring about murder, YOU are responsible for the murder, because apparantly we are holding the humans or the children in the examples accountable. be consistant. inconsistantcy is the sign of a failed arguement.
@soccer21928 Yes you are absolutely correct. If we bring about children and they murder we are responsible, IF we are omniscient and omnipotent parents :)
@StAverti this is what i meant by inconsistancy. you cant just start adding if's when you get refuted, otherwise we'd keep going in circles. now you said that if your robot makes a building then you created the building. but you arent omniscient or omnipotent are you? you like the dictionary, look up those words. if they dont apply to you, then your arguement is self defeating.
@soccer21928 The basis to call god malevolent is the presence of evil. IF god were omnibenevolent (all loving) then the existence of evil would not be tolerable to gods existence. IF god were omnibenevolent and Omnipotent, it would have no trouble completely destroying evil; as per it's benevolent nature it would be done, and evil would not exist. Obviously evil (as defined in your bible) does exist, and so either your god doesn't exist, or is not omnibenevolent and omnipotent.
@soccer21928 So yea, I cannot objectively say that killing all babies would be a bad thing. If you killed all babies from this point on for ever, our species would go extinct, but all of the damage we are doing to the earth and it's other inhabitants would also stop. So is that a bad thing? As I said before, completely subjective.
Actually, the Jews and the Christians can both be right, depending on their varying definitions of the word, "Messiah."
I like Greg Koukl a lot, but I am somewhat disappointed with the lack of spiritual and even logical maturity that he displays in this video. He says at one point that, "Somebody's got to be mistaken," but he doesn't seem to consider even for a moment that that someone just may be him.
He fails to provide any evidence of any contradiction between religions.
depends on what you consider a moral crime. morality is relative. some acts considered immoral in your culture are widely endorsed and accepted as normal in others.
i just explained to you how morality is relative. it depends mostly on your culture and social norms. so what exactly do you consider a moral crime. i think that all crimes should be punished relative to the crime commited. in other words the punishment should fit the crime.
i consider a moral crime as one man dying for the crimes of many. where is the justice in that?
@cappadinoceo So, according to you, if murder is illegal in the US and legal in another country, you're ok with that? And also what I think you're saying is how could a good God allow things that are contrary to my personal preferences? And a man dying for the crimes of many, I call the ultimate act of love.
i nvr said i was ok with anything. if you would take the time to actually read the comments, then think b4 responding...
to reiterate i said that the punishment should fit the crime. what crime did jesus commit? either your god is unjust or immoral there is no escaping this.
what im saying is how could a good god allow evil to exist in HIS world. in other words how could you NOT hold the creator responsible for his creation?
@cappadinoceo You said that morality was relative, I was just giving you an example of it. another example is if a teacher says you can't cheat on your test in my classroom but thinks it's okay for you to cheat a friend, that's moral relativism. Now, the question of evil, God created humans with freedom of choice. We choose to love or hate, to do good or evil. History bears testimony to the fact that humans of their own free will have actualized the reality of evil with their choices. cont'd
well it was a poor example to defend your position. also, god apparently gave adam and eve a "choice" to eat of the tree or not. why doesnt he give everyone that oportunity to choose? no we all are punished for original sin
further, if god freely gave us a "choice" why then punish me for excercising my choice? some love...
btw some of you guys ARE robots, incapable of free and original thoughts, only subject to the whims of your programmer...unfortunate
@cappadinoceo So, if I got this right you're saying "no we are all punished for original sin" and you do have a choice, and you just made yours, do I have this correct?
if by "choice" you mean sin and go to hell or accept jesus and go to heaven, then no i disagree.
the previous comments concerning original sin was based on your apparent beliefs. i actually dont believe in heaven or hell. it was just meant to illustrate the absurdity of the concept.
if by choice you mean i have made up my mind to reject such beliefs then yes you are correct.
@cappadinoceo Without choice, love is meaningless. God doesn't force His love on people, or force people to love Him. Instead, God, the personification of love, grants us the freedom of choice. Without this freedom we would be preprogrammed robots.
btw im noticing you seem to be the only believer having debates with a lot of nonbelieving individuals on this same vid. none of which offer the slightest support your claims. could this be your subconsious insecurities concerning the truth of your beliefs manifesting?
all religions are praying to the same god, it is just peoples perception of god that varys, but its all really the same thing find salvation, find happiness, accept all peoples. and if your god isnt saying something along those lines find a new god, and some prozac.
@AceofDimonds0 How do all religions pray to the same god? Moses taught there was only one God, Krishna believes in many gods, Buddha was an agnostic, Islam prays to Allah, pantheism believes that everything is god. Logically they can all be wrong, but they all can't be right. Religion is fallen humanity's attempt to reach up and be acceptable in what we do. Christianity is a divine gift in what Christ has done.
@AceofDimonds0 The opinions of all other religious leaders are equally valid in that they are equally worthless. Jesus is the only One who had the power to lay down His life and raise it again. "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved"
but thats the thing, christians put so much emphasis on where we are going and never mind what we do in this life.
heaven and hell are the destanation-it does not matter on where your going it matters how you get there. because to a truely happy person couldnt this be considered heaven? heaven is vague, yes eternal life and yes happiness but not all people find the same happiness from the same thing.
@koolwings "The opinions of all other religious leaders are equally valid in that they are equally worthless."
This statement is true, but only if you remove the word "other" and only if by "opinions" you mean "opinions regarding divine truth." Even with the assumption of the existence of 'God', by your own reasoning, man cannot assume to know the mind of 'God.' You are treading on very dangerous waters there, koolwings, to speak for the man upstairs.
@ar904 God SAYS this about himself in His Word, John 14:6. Jesus says " I AM the way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father except through me" Jesus praying before He is crucified, John 17:3, "this is eternal life,that they may know You, The only true God and Jesus Christ whom You sent to earth" Jesus warns of judgment, John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe( trust in) I am He, you will die in your sins.
@Digitalis17894 You must have a degree in textural transmission, Where did you study? The Bible proves that Jesus taught these facts about himself. You can't deny that,
@ar904 cont'd, saying all of this, God has made it so clear to us that if we seek Him we will find Him in General Revelation( His creation) and special Revelation( His written Word). I challenge you to research these things. talk to people who were atheists, agnostics etc.., go on the internet, read books. Doesn't it matter what is true in this life? and not really what we think or feel? There has to be absolute truth. Don;t take my word, really dig deep, and take the time. take care.
I myself believe and follow Jesus.He only wants you to accept Him so He can be with you for eternity.Read Mathew and John and I promise your views on Him will change.
TeensUnderGod 2 weeks ago
i know this man.and his church is a good church.me being a witch saying that really means it must be true.these people really care.but i wonder what happened to the person who introduced me to them doug and what must have happened to him.
witchcerridwen 2 months ago
They can't both be right = yes. But can they both be wrong = almost certainly
DRnab1983 3 months ago
Under no circumstances can they both be right =yes.
DRnab1983 3 months ago
he is absolutely right about everything he said here. not all religions can be true about the big importent answers. BUT where is the answer to the question at the top of this video?.... why is christianity right and not other religions? lol this guy talks nicely and impressive, but in almost all his videos he doesn't address the subjects/questions.
shatukiki 3 months ago
I have absolutely no reason to disagree with him.
Honestly, you have really opened my eyes to how the equality of religion simply cannot be.
alZiiHardstylez 4 months ago
christianity isnt even a religion they are stories that teach you how to live right and make a consequence for people who live theyre life basically like an ass
kittyhasagun 5 months ago
Christianity reminds me of a club that has thousands of other clubs around it..but it's just like "Believe what we do or you won't go to heaven. We're all right, everyone else and all other clubs are wrong"
Emlis16 6 months ago
at the first glance, the guy appears to be intelligent. but then you realize the fanatic. there is not much difference between bin laden and him.
captain2ahab 6 months ago
@captain2ahab that was a very unintelligent comment, did u think before posting that?
k12rising 6 months ago
@k12rising Yes I did, someone who is that intolerant as this man, preaches hate. i think he is absolutely narrowminded and his world view is medevial. in his world 95 % will be put into hell because of a loving god..i mean what is this ?
captain2ahab 6 months ago
@captain2ahab Its called sweet justice.
k12rising 6 months ago
@captain2ahab Are you not being intolerant or bigoted towards his view?
redlinegw 4 months ago
@redlinegw not at all, he preaches hate. and who needs this ?
captain2ahab 4 months ago
@captain2ahab - where do you get that from this video?
You know it is okay to hate some things? For example the ignorance of politically correct group think, wouldn't you agree? I mean isn't it anti-intellectual and childlike to say religions that make mutually exclusive truth claims are all correct?
I have no time for dumb, does that make me intolerant in a bad way?
mollkatless 1 week ago
he begins by being rigorous and then ends up being flippant and ignoring the CONTRADICTIONS..Only a deluded believer can surely find any FACTS in this?
thomasbryn1 7 months ago
All religions claim to be true. They offer NO EVIDENCE as to why they are true, however. That is why religion is pure bullshit. Always has been, and always will be. Blind faith is never 'true."
1ProudFemaleAtheist 7 months ago
@ILUV Atheists (with a capitol "A") are just as bad because they get all "Christian"about it... :)
meXXXicon 8 months ago
So glad I'm an Atheist =)
ILUV412 8 months ago
In my opinion, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are equal.
An alliance between the 3 of them just seems to right.
7ees 8 months ago
@7ees That sounds kind of foolish. All of those religions consist of mono worship, which means they believe in a single God. If they all joined, they would all wreck. Christianity all the way!
BinksterVideosNK 8 months ago
@7ees Disregard part of my comment. They worship the same God, but they have different beliefs. What I meant to say is that if all of their beliefs of a single God converge, then it would be a mess.
BinksterVideosNK 8 months ago
@BinksterVideosNK
You make a good point, but I did not say I wanted them to join.
I just said I'd like to see an alliance amongst them.
7ees 8 months ago
complete, unadulterated good....antithetical to evil. what is good, and what is evil? no one knows. its always changing, according to your views. society decides. the social construct changes. as does complete and utter goodness. on what basis do you say God is malevolent? on YOUR worthless opinion of what is right and wrong. and theres about 2 billion Christians, and almost as many muslims who would disagree with you.
soccer21928 10 months ago
Maybe you misunderstood, IF god is the creator and omnipotent, then he created all. You argue that man or some other of gods creations created sin, but then sin came from his own creations, which means god did create sin. If I build a robot and tell it to build a building, did the robot build the building or did I? Or to avoid confusion, If I am an architect and hire workers to build a building, whose name goes on the building, the workers or the architects?
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti well i definitely wasnt trying to be offensive, but i honestly dont know what you believe. are you talking about eris the goddess from greek mythology? i need to understand your beliefs. if you tell your workers to build a building, you get the credit. now, where does God tell His creation to sin? i can tell you where He tells them the exact opposite, but apparantly im missing something. Where does God tell people, "Hey, go over there and sin".
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Where does god tell people anything? God has never spoken on any record. If you presume to say he bible is god's word, then tell me why there is no book of Jesus, or book of god in the bible. The architect metaphor was illustrative of who creates what. Even though you say humanity created sin (the building), god (the architect) created humanity, and thus sin. If you don't understand the beautiful and enlightening teachings of the fair goddess than you are blind to the world.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti are you saying that God never spoke in the Bible because theres no book of God or Jesus? youre playing games now. if you have children, then they grow up and murder someone, who goes to jail? youre the one that chose to have the children, so should you be held responsible? and let us be clear, from your point of view, we can not know what good is. it changes as people change. therefore, YOU have no basis to call anyone malevolent, especially God.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 God never did speak in the bible. If you can show me a verse written directly by god, or even Jesus I will give you a cookie. If a human has children, it is completely different than an omnibenevolent and omnipotent being creating an entire universe and all of it's contents. Parents do not have unlimited power, otherwise their children would be perfect according to their standards, which would be pure god if they were omnibenevolent.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti and again, do you worship zeus and neptune and the other mythical figures we read about in high school english?
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 My point of view is different from the point of view forced on Christians by the bible. There is ONLY one world view for true Christians, and it is the bible. If you suggest your own ideas differ from the bibles, than you are not christian. Likewise, any idea's of good and evil held by real Christians must come from the bible, as it is absolute law for them. So stop trying to use MY views to suggest that you aren't bond by your christian holy texts. Because that is YOUR world.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti im not negating my scriptures. the problem is you just havent meaningfully interacted with the Bible yet. you equate writing with speaking. how in the world can you expect to get anywhere? but you can keep the cookie. youre going in circles. if good and evil are subjective, so are omni bonevolence and malevolece. and since they are subjective, you cant conclude that God is not omnibonevolent, except in your own mind which very few people care about.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Because neither has occurred. And why would I interact with something so old and used... I could get a nasty disease! And stop pretending you don't know what the word subjectivity means. Subjectivity only counts if you have free thought. Since Christians don't have free thought in the regards of good, evil, benevolent and malevolent (because the bible tells real Christians exactly what those concepts mean to them) then it is a non issue.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti i agree that as a Christian there is definite good and evil. but you dont believe that so you need to be consistant. YOU believe good and evil is subjective, therefore, from YOUR position,not mine, omnimalevolence and benovolence are also subjective, therefore, from YOUR position,everyone can conclude for themselves if someone is malevolent or benevolent, and thus their conclusion has relevance only in their mind, and you have no basis to call God malevolent but on your opinion.get it?
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 That is ridiculous. What is consistency? according to you it is the failure to understand that the universe is not a machine, and that stochastic processes dominate everything around us? I Can call god what ever i like because it doesn't exist. I know it doesn't exist because if it did it would e existing in a paradox. Yes life is subjective, for people with enough sense to understand that no one could ever understand an objective reality (if there even is one).
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti no, consistancy means not going back and adding to your arguement once youve been refuted. if you were consistant, you'd only get credit for your robot's building if you were both omnipotent and omniscient. therefore, your arguement falls apart. now if good doesnt exist, neither does omnibenevolence, so youre attacking a straw man. you criticize God for being something you dont believe exists. what i do need to understand, for about the 4th time, is if zeus is watching.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 I don't criticize a figment of your imagination for being anything. If you have paid any attention you would see I am criticizing you for failing all semblance of logic.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti i didnt say you had to or were going to believe God audibly spoke. you asked when God did, and i gave you multiple instances in the Bible when God spoke. now whether or not you believe that is a different topic entirely, and frankly not my problem. i answered your question. funny how you think Jehova and Yahweah are not the same. regardless, you didnt answer. do you or do you not worship zeus, the anger management fellow mars, and that whore aphrodite? just answer so i know!
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Why would they be the same? You aren't Jewish, so why is Yahweh the same as your god?
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti why would they be the same? are you saying that the Jews dont worship Jehova? and and you saying Christians do not believe in the God of Abraham, isaac, and Jacob? Christ is the fulfillment of promises God made to the patriarchs and the nation of israel, of course He is the same God. but im still waiting. do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Why aren't you Jewish then? Why not Muslim? Stop pretending your gods are the same as the gods of Jews and Muslims. You aren't a Jew or a Muslim so that's just silly. It seems like you worship Satan. Which is fine, I hear he's been doing pretty well through the recession.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti because Jesus is the fulfillment of the promises to israel, and now there is no jew or gentile, but we are all one in Christ. i know you disagree, im just tell you why im not a jew. thats one of several reasons. also ,our God (singular) is the same God of abraham. now stop changing the subject. you thought Jehova and Yahweh referred to different Gods. thats embarrassing. they are 2 names for the same God, jews will tell you that too. its all over the old testament.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 If it's the same god, why are it's teachings different?
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti their teachings are not different. Jehova AND Yahweh are 2 different names for God. BOTH names are used of God in the Old testament. its not like Yahweh is the Old testament, and Jehova is the new. youre just showing how ignorant you are. nobody raped mary of course. but i have to ask how you know she was 14? or are you still making up things? thing is, you worship a mythical goddess of chaos and here i was trying to have a rational discussion. makes sense, your just here to argue
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Biblical scholars agree Mary was 14-15 years old when she conceived Jesus. If Jehova and Yahweh are two different gods, then why don't you celebrate Rosh Hashanah, Pesach or Yom Kippur? Why not Ramadan, Ashura, or the Laylat al Miraj? If your god is the same, why aren't the followers the same?
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti Jehovah and Yahweh are NOT 2 different Gods!!!!! thats what ive been saying, but for some reason you cant get that through your skull. 2 names for teh SAME GOD. nobody knows how old mary was, there are all sorts of opinions but we cant be sure. some say she was around 20, some younge than what you said, we just dont know.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 You are not trying to have a rational discussion. Your entire system of beliefs is inherently IRRATIONAL. I'm not here to argue, just point out logical and rational deficiencies in christian religion. As I said before, I don't worship anyone, you are naive to assume that deities and worship are synonymous. But if you want to worship a cannibalistic, filicidal pedophile who commands it's adherents to spread violence and hate; who am I to tell you not to. Say hi to westboro for me.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti you follow the goddess of discord and strife, dont pretend your interested in rationality.your belief is founded on the exact opposite. you actually think discordians are a valuable part of society, youre brainwashed buddy. you guys are nothing, and will never amount to anything more than a joke to the few people who've heard of your existance. andwhy are you worried about violence and hate. you pardoned hitler remember? if you cant condemn him, dont even start with God. consistancy!
soccer21928 10 months ago
@StAverti You were raised Atheist right? Well i was raised in a Christian home and decided that tis is what i believe, and i can think of a lot of reasons why ( in just my life.) you should at least not stomp on others beliefs. I dont see how you could call Jesus a "pedophile", but im not going to call you anything. 1. I've seen his face.
2. I see 20/70 and i had a surgery where there was a good chance i could lose my eye sight all together. And, you will meet him eventually.
tamemsam 9 months ago
@StAverti you know who's doing really well in the recession? eris. nobody's heard of her, so she doesnt have to worry about taxes. but notice how you are so ashamed of your own religion, you wont even admit you worship zeus. dont get me wrong, you should be embarassed. im just putting it in writing now. this is great. zeus. oh i almost forgot, tell dionysis to try and get sober once and a while, and maybe its a good thing he and eris only exist in the minds of people like you.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 I don't worship anyone, let alone Zeus. Just because I had a one night stand with that b!tch a few years ago doesn't mean I worship her either. Don't get all butt hurt because your god sucks at BJ's. And why are you hating on Dionysus? At least he didn't rape a 14 year old girl, get her knocked up, and then kill the child; after forcing him to tell all of his followers to eat hm and drink his blood of course...
StAverti 10 months ago
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@soccer21928 Though I do have to admit, worshiping a tranny takes courage.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
Genesis 1:26-27
StAverti 10 months ago
@soccer21928 In essence, as you have stated, to christians there is a definite good and a definite evil. Since christians regard their god as all loving, then either there is no evil in the world, or they are mistaken. So which is it, is there no christian defined evil in the world? or are you mistaken? You can't have your cake and eat it too, either {god is as the bible says (all loving, all seeing and all powerful) and there is no evil} or {the bible is false}.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti there would only be a contradiction if God had tried and failed to destroy evil. then he wouldnt be omnipotent. or if God loved and endorsed evil, then he wouldnt be truly loving. however, if it is not God's will to destroy evil at the present time, but by His mercy He has given His creation the chance to receive forgiveness, then God remains omnipotent and benevolent. God allowing evil to exist for now doesnt negate his power or goodness, but rather sheds light on his grace and mercy.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 But god didn't destroy evil, although he purportedly is good. Crimes of omission are no less than crimes of commission.Good does not show mercy to evil, that's just a fancy way of saying god likes helping evil out (not something good deities are known for). So if it were to allow evil to exist, than it could not be a good deity. An all loving god has no need for its subjects to earn forgiveness, it gives it to all.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti listen to me. God did not destroy evil YET because He has not YET decided the time is right. when God tries to destroy evil, He will. God is not helping evil, evil will be destroyed, that is certain.but God in mercy gave humans, who deserve his wrath, the chance to turn away from evil before the judgment. God 's not helping evil, it will be destroyed. what God is doing is giving us the chance to not be destroyed ALONG WITH evil.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 By allowing evil to exist in it's universe, god is helping evil. just because you suggest it is only temporary does not negate the fact that a god that is supremely good would not allow evil to exist, period. Not for a microsecond, not for a minute, not for a day, not for eternity.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?do you worship zeus?
soccer21928 10 months ago
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@soccer21928 Do you worship Satan?
StAverti 10 months ago
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
-Epicurus
Problem Christians?
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti He didnt create sin. Humans chose to be disobedient, and God allowed us to live with our decisions. so tell epicurus that He is able and willing to destroy the evil that we brought upon ourselves. but He allows evil to exist for a time because we're not robots, and since we're rational creatures their are consequences for the things we do. so its not a problem for us. the problem would be for you. without God there is no good or evil anyway, youre using a straw man.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 God according to Christians is omnipotent and created everything (including sin). If God allows evil to exist at all while he is able to destroy it, then he is not benevolent. We brought nothing on ourselves if god created us along with everything else. Good and evil are completely subjective concepts, yet the bible tells Christians what is good and evil. The logical conclusion hasn't changed since 300 BC, If god is both omnipotent and benevolent, than evil would not exist.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti how are you going to tella Christian what Christians believe? youre speaking without knowledge. God created everything perfect. sin came into existance when God's creation rebelled. if you have an adult child, you can advise them not to do something stupid, but just because you allow them to make a mistake doesnt make you malevolent. God wants us to follow Him because we love Him, not because there is no alternative. and again, you cant talk about good and evil as an atheist.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 You are equating human parents with god. If god was benevolent and omnipotent his creations would be perfect and devoid of evil or the propensity to do evil. Allowing evil to exist when you have the power and ability to stop it, does in fact make you evil and malevolent. If god wanted our love he would love us as well, not threaten eternal damnation if we do not. I never said i was an atheist, but even if i was good and evil would be human concepts, mutually exclusive of a god.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti no im not equating the two, im making a connection. a benevolent God's creation would be devoid of evil, but with the ability to choose to remain that way, or to rebel, and thats exactly what we have. a benevolent God would not Rob His creation of the ability to make choices. is the Government wrong to punish someone for breaking the law? especially if we're warned ahead of time of the consequences? that doesnt make it malevolent.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 An all loving god's creations would not have the propensity for evil. That would go against the very nature of an omnibenevolent and omnipotent god. But for arguments sake, say an this all loving god's creations could do evil, that god by it's very nature would eliminate those creations that did evil. The existence of evil in a universe created by an omnibenevolent and omnipotent god is logically unacceptable.
StAverti 10 months ago
@soccer21928 And yes, the government is wrong to punish some one for breaking the law. The government is not omnibenevolent or omnipotent, and cannot discern reality on any reliable basis. This causes a great many innocent people to be wrongfully incarcerated and even put to death. And even then, who decides what is wrong and right? A 17 year old boy gets 20 years in prison for having consensual relations with a 15 year old girl, A man protects his family from a burglar, and gets put away.....
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti ah, so youre not an atheist or a christian, simply an anarchist. and i was hoping for a rational discussion. ive no idea who this eris fellow is, by the way, im assuming you were joking. so in your opinion, a benevolent God would create beings without free will, where they HAD to obey everything, and were forced to go to heaven. believe me, God willeliminate evil, the Bible is clear about that. but He tolerates it for a time because He is merciful to His creation and wants us to repent
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 How disgusting and rude. How dare you insult the devotee's of Eris. I surely welcome you to discuss the relative logical merits of such belief, but sinking to petty insults shows how pathetic and low you and your ilk can be.
StAverti 10 months ago
@soccer21928 It is not my opinion that an omnibenevolent god would create beings that did not commit evil, by the very definition of omnibenevolence, that must be the case. Free will is certianly not left behind, you assume that there are only ever two choices to make, good and evil. How typically narrow minded of you. An omnibenevolent god's creations could have free will, that hey exercised fully, however since they would know no evil, it would not be one of their options.
StAverti 10 months ago
@soccer21928 This is the same as you. You have free will to do many good things, many bad things (by a biblical definition) and many things that are neither good nor bad (by biblical standards), however you are unable to do things that are outside of that realm of experience. For instance actions that are beyond the concepts of good, evil and between, how many of those have you partaken in? None of course, because you and I do not understand such things as they are not part of our universes.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti In a universe without evil, we would not necessarily lose free will, we would just not know evil, and thus never partake in it. So a truly benevolent god would have created humans and all of his creations without the propensity for evil, while still retaining free will. We simply wouldn't know evil, and would exercise our will on activities that were not evil.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti and until you can tell me more about these other universes, stop talking about things that are not good, bad, or neutral. is your entire arguement built on straw men? as long as you say morality is subjective, stop talking about evil. as ravi zacharias said,for their to be good and evil there must be a moral law. for there to be a moral law, there must be a moral law giver, but that is the one whom you are trying to disprove. see the circular argumentation? its incredibly clear.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 And I can easily tell a christian what Christians believe as they must (by virtue of being a christian) adhere to the tenets of their faith. If some one says they are a christian, but does not believe exactly what christian holy books tell them to, they are liars and not christian. This is the same with muslims, jews and all other restrictive and unenlightened religious groups. So yes, I can actually tell a real christian what they believe, because they must believe the bible.
StAverti 10 months ago
Let God be true, and every man a liar.
apologeticsman 11 months ago
This guy is a fucking moron. Wow, you would think in this day and age....
autumncathedral 11 months ago
@autumncathedral yeah, because of course all religions are all right.. try that logic in business, i.e. advertise for your competition saying that "they are just as good as we are" see what happens
apologeticsman 11 months ago
So why cant Christians agree on basics? Tell us what the Christian position on birth control is? How about divorce? and what about the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill.. and Christians also disagree on the means of salvation.. Catholics say through the sacrament of Penance they are forgiven and Protestants say its a matter of accepting Christ as Savior.. so the question remains: Why can not Christians agree and why have they spent the last 2000 years fighting over essential parts of Christianity?
Realityseekerman 1 year ago
Ok Christianity is right point simple read the bibel and ull find out
jesse95800 1 year ago
Ok Christianity is right point simple
jesse95800 1 year ago
And I must say that Egytian stories (book of the dead) is really cool. The book from which the bible writers has taken a lot from.
WillyDillyWillyDilly 1 year ago
Yes, true. I like more the Greek mythology than this christian one. Its more exciting and at least they have more action there. Good stories,
WillyDillyWillyDilly 1 year ago
They are all equally valid mythologies in that human beings created them and human beings are equally valid.
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
That is a VERY good question. If there are about 5000 gods in the world it awakes lot of questions. It means, there is something funny with religions. They cannot be right. They must be man-made for political and power reasons.
WillyDillyWillyDilly 1 year ago
@WillyDillyWillyDilly what a stupid ass conclusion. so in other words, just because this particular statement you have made on youtube is idiotic (which it is), i guess that means that everything you have ever uttered in life is idiotic as well? of course not. there are things that you have said that have merit and those that do not. but the fact is this. they have merit not because you acknowledge or agree with them, but in spite of it. truth is truth and has nothing to do with you.
anewdayproductions 1 year ago
@anewdayproductions
With many (not all!) religious people there something in common:
If one is criticicing the belief system, they ciriticise you. It says a lot I think.
But like I said, not all are like that.
WillyDillyWillyDilly 1 year ago
@WillyDillyWillyDilly it has absolutely nothing to do with what is actually true and for an honest person that is the core focus..... not other people and there words. i merely call people out when i see them making disingenuous and hypocritical statements and radically false conclusions based on bogus premises. my motivation is my love for the truth, not merely trying to belittle someone else. but, they are the ones making the statements so my words will always be directed at the source.
anewdayproductions 1 year ago
Quran > Bible
blaziin2012 1 year ago
@blaziin2012 How did you come to that conclusion?
jordan19862000 1 year ago
How come this guy comes right out and says nothing?
mastersduhgree 1 year ago
@mastersduhgree he doesn't. you're just willfully stupid and you're comment clearly demonstrates that.
anewdayproductions 1 year ago
@anewdayproductions Think about saying nothing okay...its better 4 your education son.
mastersduhgree 1 year ago
@mastersduhgree try following your own advice windbag.
anewdayproductions 1 year ago
religion itself is bullshit
facelesskill 1 year ago
@facelesskill You dont even know what religion is tho.
mastersduhgree 1 year ago
"How does one know that God is happy with any religious pursuit?"
Quran:
".... For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ." [Pickthal 5:48]
IMO, as long as one is striving to find the truth, it should count.
Suiton1 1 year ago
@Suiton1 thats your opinion, but in islam you can never know if God will forgive you. didnt mohamed himself have to keep asking god for forgiveness? and arent muslims to this day still supposed to pray for him? lots of people would like for it to be as you say, but it doesnt mean it is that way.
soccer21928 1 year ago
@soccer21928 Well that is a verse from the Quran, so, according to Muslims, it IS there for a reason and solves the question I quoted.
One will be judged about prayer if it is mandated by the religion which you sought to be the true one, which could be meditation in another religion, and so forth. It is more of my-understanding than an opinion.
Suiton1 1 year ago
@Suiton1 Mohammad asking God for forgiveness & praying endlessly in the night, is modesty (we NEVER look at judgment from a positive perspective, it's always the empty half of the cup for us, it would be vain to think one deserves heaven; a bit harsh, I admit), fear of God, showing that he gets no special treatment, and how much should one be thankful. Also prophets are required to do a lot, not the other way around (To whom much is given, ....)
Suiton1 1 year ago
@Suiton1 we christians kind of agree on what you said about judgement. you are right, no one deserves heaven. we all deserve hell because the bible says all men have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. God doesnt just want us to be good, He wants us perfect. God is so Holy that any impurity can never dwell witg Him, thats why even if a person could be 99.9% good, that still isnt enough. in His mercy, God sent his Son to live the perfect life he demands, while taking our punishment.
soccer21928 1 year ago 2
@soccer21928 You're one sick individual to think human beings deserve to be tortured and fried for eternity..and no wonder with this thinking, people are turning away from religion in droves.
cumbco 10 months ago
@cumbco im not about to apoligise for believing in Jesus and what He said. but there must have been a lot of sick individuals throughout history who believed as i do, some so "sick" that they were willing to die than recant their beliefs. to be honest your opinion doesnt bother me.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 "Follow me, or I will torture you endlessly", what kind of loving God is that? So the dictators and tyrants of the world who say this to their citizens are in the right as well? There is no difference between God and tyrants in my mind...they both rule in fear.
How many people follow God because they don't want to end up in hell? Nothing to do with loving Him at all. Christians are two faced.
cumbco 10 months ago
@cumbco God hates sin and will punish it . its not that God isnt loving, but His love doesnt nullify his justice.so what God did in His love and mercy is send His Son to take the punishment instead. if someone rejects God's mercy, they have only themselves to blame. if youre drowning and God sends you a raft, and all you do is spit in His face. God will judge all sin, whether on the cross of calvary, or for eternity in hell. again, you just want to argue so i dont care about your opinion.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer And you are still a sick person who condones torture...but you call it "justice" I really feel sorry for you...stuck in the bronze age.
cumbco 10 months ago
@cumbco i didnt condone anything, i dont have a say in this. but if you think me believing the Bible makes me sick, go ahead. but like ive said twice, youre not interested in dialogue you just want to argue, so i honestly dont care what you think.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 And what do you consider dialogue? Someone who agrees with you? And where in the Bible does it say that to recieve salvation you must believe in hell?
cumbco 10 months ago
@cumbco You wouldn't be saved from anything if not for a hell.
StAverti 10 months ago
@soccer21928 I'm sure you are a decent person, we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.
cumbco 10 months ago
@soccer21928 So why did the omnipotent and benevolent god create sin?
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti if youre not an atheist tell me what you are, so i can understand you better. but i agree wiht what you said about the Bible. tell me where in the Bible it says God CREATED sin, and ill become an atheist immediately. im you cant find that verse, tell me why youre being inconsistant with yourself. and if good and evil are human concepts, then every human can interpret good and evil for themselves. you saying theft is evil would be no more valid than me saying tennis is evil. its opinion
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 The bible says god created the universe and everything in it. Sin exists in the universe ergo.... And about the evil being purely subjective, you are beginning to understand :) and I am no atheist, I am a pious devotee of the great and wonderful Eris, through whom all of person-kind is saved from spending an eternity as a over 9000 separate horses...
StAverti 10 months ago
@soccer21928 maybe you misunderstood. i didnt ask for a verse that says God is the creator,but for the verse that says he created sin. read genesis 1, and tell me on which of the 6 days it happened. and about morality being subjective, that doesnt help you. if it is, then i could just as easily say that killing all babies is a good thing, and you would have no grounds to argue. so youve no basis to call God malevolent apart from your own opinion, which is for all intents and purposes worthless.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 If you are suggesting that one of Gods creations was capable of creating evil (perhaps satan or adam and eve) then why would god allow evil to persist. If god were all loving (omnibenevolent) he would destroy evil as soon it was created. You suggest that god allows evil (sin, what ever you want to name it) to exist to test his creations, but he created humans by the bibles account, so what need would he have to test us, he already knows all (omniscient).
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti you cant talk about benevolent. frm your viewpoint, morality does not exist. your definition of omnibenevolence applies only to you, so again its worthless. your entire arguement is based upon a straw man. you call you say God is not omnibenevolent when you do not allow for benevolence to exist in the first place. and when did i say sin is here to test us? i said God lets us live with the consequences of out actions, but when did i say he was testing us?
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 You are mistaken. Morality is not dependent on any deity. I already illustrated this through the morals of every single religion (even those with out any such "god"), + secular groups. Any single persons view point is irrelevant, as we are all biased and our experience is subjective. Morality is a social construct, much like you yourself have pointed out. My definition of omnibenevolence applies to any use of the word, and is characterized by complete and utter goodness.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti i asked you to explain your religion more. regardless, as it seems you belong to, no offense, an insignificant pagan cult, i really dont see how the social construct is on your side. do you also worship zeus and neptune? i need to know! your viewpoint is irrelevant, we can agree. the majority of society definitely isnt on your side. your definition of omnibebevolece applies to you, and only you, you cant expect others to accept this argumentation.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Insignificant? Erisians hold the most influential positions in society. The difference is they tend not to run around forcing their beliefs on everyone else. So not only is society on my side, it is , to be totally honest against yours. You just wont realize it until it's too late. The majority of society is uneducated, so? The only thing majorities are good for is mucking up the place for everyone else, they are no indication of validity.
StAverti 10 months ago
@soccer21928 I don't have a definition of omnibenevolence, the dictionary does... try looking it up.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti yes im sure erisians make up a very valuable part of society. its jsut nobodys heard of them. great the dictionary has a definition. and it all comes back to the word "good", which everyone can interpret for themselves. now go look up the words "straw" and "man", as well as "weak" and "arguement". notice how you said God never spoke because He didnt write the books. are speaking and writing the same thing to erisians? again, i really need to know these things.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Well if you want to get technical, when did god ever speak to anyone? Before you run off citing all the gnostics (still funny that most of the bible was written by gnostics), or god communicating with prophets... I used the word speak, as in audible communication. The voices in one's head do not count as speaking unfortunately.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti God spoke audibly at Jesus' baptism, at His transfiguration, to moses at the burning bush, and to Jacob shortly before he was renamed Israel, and Christ spoke to paul at his conversion. theres 5 instances. and before you call the Bible old and used remember- ancient greek paganism! and you still havent told me, do you worship zeus or not? just tell me, the guy carries around a lightning bolt for goodness sake! or are you worried that mars might get upset and come after you?
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 I didn't hear god speak. Neither has anyone else. Just because you read it in a book doesn't mean you can say it happened. If we play that game than I will just call up my friend superman and we can go to the moon and see if we can find god. Maybe if we listen really hard up there we could hear it. And whats with the hard on for Zeus, are hot bolts of lightening all you think about? How about Yahweh, Jehovah, and Allah, don't you like chatting with them too?
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti now youre just repeating yourself. God allows evil to exist for a time so that His creatures can forsake it. and we dont earn forgiveness. its a gift. we need to accept it, it cant be earned. but because of God's holiness, He will destroy evil. it willbe punished. so why God does not pardon unrepentant sinners, He is patient with them giving them ample time to accept Him and turn from their rebellion.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 If god allows evil to exist at all then god is not good. No matter what semantics you use to suggest he is just, being "merciful" to evil, or "testing" his creatures, if god allows evil to exist for a second than it is not good.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti please tell me where i said God was testing us. also, tell me where i said He was helping or being merciful to evil. i said He was being merciful His people, not evil. notice how your arguement is so weak you have to put words in my mouth. God has sentenced evil to eternal damnation. postponing eternal punishment for a number of years for the sake of His people is not helping evil's situation at all. again, your denial changes nothing.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 That is to say exactly what it says... Omnibenevolence is the state of complete, unadulterated good. Such a state is antithetical to evil, as one who is the paragon of good would do everything in their power to eliminate evil. You simply don't seem to understand your own concept of god. The bible suggests your god is "ALL loving", or as it were, omnibenevolent. If that true were the case god would love all regardless of their actions, not need a hell, and never create evil.
StAverti 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Why isn't killing babies good? we are currently suffering from overpopulation, with the death of babies the world would live without putting s much strain on resources, actually having a beneficial effect. So why isn't killing babies good? What about Hitler? If you encountered him as a baby, would killing him be wrong? That has no affect on my argument, as it is your assumption that killing babies is bad, in reality it depends on context, and may or may not be wrong.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti let me ask you this then. was hitler wrong to kill jews because of their race? is it wrong to murder people because they have five letters in their first name? if you cant answer that, then you have no reason to call God malevolent. at the moment, we cant even agree on a definition of good and evil, or if they exist to begin with. the presence of evil? its all subjective remember? therefore, you can not call God malevolent.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Lets think about it. Was Hitler wrong to kill people (it wasn't just Jews) because of certain cultural characteristics. There is no correct answer to that. One could say he was, because he slaughtered millions of innocent people. One could also say he was not, because a huge amount of contemporary medical knowledge that has saved countless lives was gained from the records of his doctors and scientists who experimented on the living and dead in his camps. So was Hitler wrong?
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti and by the way, if im blind for not worshipping your pagan goddess, so are almost 7 billion other people. that you live in a world were less than .001% can see correctly goes a long way in determining your credibility and explaining why youre going in circles.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Tell that to all the Erisians in positions of power in all areas of society.
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti your line of reasoning was since God brought about humans and humans brought about sin, God is responsible for sin. so by the same logic, if you bring about children and your children bring about murder, YOU are responsible for the murder, because apparantly we are holding the humans or the children in the examples accountable. be consistant. inconsistantcy is the sign of a failed arguement.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 Yes you are absolutely correct. If we bring about children and they murder we are responsible, IF we are omniscient and omnipotent parents :)
StAverti 10 months ago
@StAverti this is what i meant by inconsistancy. you cant just start adding if's when you get refuted, otherwise we'd keep going in circles. now you said that if your robot makes a building then you created the building. but you arent omniscient or omnipotent are you? you like the dictionary, look up those words. if they dont apply to you, then your arguement is self defeating.
soccer21928 10 months ago
@soccer21928 The basis to call god malevolent is the presence of evil. IF god were omnibenevolent (all loving) then the existence of evil would not be tolerable to gods existence. IF god were omnibenevolent and Omnipotent, it would have no trouble completely destroying evil; as per it's benevolent nature it would be done, and evil would not exist. Obviously evil (as defined in your bible) does exist, and so either your god doesn't exist, or is not omnibenevolent and omnipotent.
StAverti 10 months ago
@soccer21928 So yea, I cannot objectively say that killing all babies would be a bad thing. If you killed all babies from this point on for ever, our species would go extinct, but all of the damage we are doing to the earth and it's other inhabitants would also stop. So is that a bad thing? As I said before, completely subjective.
StAverti 10 months ago
Actually, the Jews and the Christians can both be right, depending on their varying definitions of the word, "Messiah."
I like Greg Koukl a lot, but I am somewhat disappointed with the lack of spiritual and even logical maturity that he displays in this video. He says at one point that, "Somebody's got to be mistaken," but he doesn't seem to consider even for a moment that that someone just may be him.
He fails to provide any evidence of any contradiction between religions.
Sad.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
i agree that all religions cant be true. however, mr koukl fails to explain what makes christianity more valid than others...
cappadinoceo 1 year ago 3
@cappadinoceo Exactly. My religion is right and yours is wrong. Heard it all before.
philhunter2005 1 year ago
@cappadinoceo I have a question for you. Do you believe that people who commit moral crimes should be punished?
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
depends on what you consider a moral crime. morality is relative. some acts considered immoral in your culture are widely endorsed and accepted as normal in others.
what does that have to do with anything?
cappadinoceo 1 year ago
@cappadinoceo How is morality relative?
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
i just explained to you how morality is relative. it depends mostly on your culture and social norms. so what exactly do you consider a moral crime. i think that all crimes should be punished relative to the crime commited. in other words the punishment should fit the crime.
i consider a moral crime as one man dying for the crimes of many. where is the justice in that?
cappadinoceo 1 year ago
@cappadinoceo So, according to you, if murder is illegal in the US and legal in another country, you're ok with that? And also what I think you're saying is how could a good God allow things that are contrary to my personal preferences? And a man dying for the crimes of many, I call the ultimate act of love.
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
i nvr said i was ok with anything. if you would take the time to actually read the comments, then think b4 responding...
to reiterate i said that the punishment should fit the crime. what crime did jesus commit? either your god is unjust or immoral there is no escaping this.
what im saying is how could a good god allow evil to exist in HIS world. in other words how could you NOT hold the creator responsible for his creation?
cappadinoceo 1 year ago
@cappadinoceo You said that morality was relative, I was just giving you an example of it. another example is if a teacher says you can't cheat on your test in my classroom but thinks it's okay for you to cheat a friend, that's moral relativism. Now, the question of evil, God created humans with freedom of choice. We choose to love or hate, to do good or evil. History bears testimony to the fact that humans of their own free will have actualized the reality of evil with their choices. cont'd
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
well it was a poor example to defend your position. also, god apparently gave adam and eve a "choice" to eat of the tree or not. why doesnt he give everyone that oportunity to choose? no we all are punished for original sin
further, if god freely gave us a "choice" why then punish me for excercising my choice? some love...
btw some of you guys ARE robots, incapable of free and original thoughts, only subject to the whims of your programmer...unfortunate
cappadinoceo 1 year ago
@cappadinoceo So, if I got this right you're saying "no we are all punished for original sin" and you do have a choice, and you just made yours, do I have this correct?
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
if by "choice" you mean sin and go to hell or accept jesus and go to heaven, then no i disagree.
the previous comments concerning original sin was based on your apparent beliefs. i actually dont believe in heaven or hell. it was just meant to illustrate the absurdity of the concept.
if by choice you mean i have made up my mind to reject such beliefs then yes you are correct.
cappadinoceo 1 year ago
@cappadinoceo
You make some really good points here.
Sometimes people just can´t read. Sometimes they are angry and that effects the cognitive skills.
WillyDillyWillyDilly 1 year ago
@cappadinoceo Without choice, love is meaningless. God doesn't force His love on people, or force people to love Him. Instead, God, the personification of love, grants us the freedom of choice. Without this freedom we would be preprogrammed robots.
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
btw im noticing you seem to be the only believer having debates with a lot of nonbelieving individuals on this same vid. none of which offer the slightest support your claims. could this be your subconsious insecurities concerning the truth of your beliefs manifesting?
cappadinoceo 1 year ago
@cappadinoceo btw, I wanted to thank you for the criticism. I'll consider it. Is there anything else?
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
the pleasure was all mine.
actually no. that will be all.
thanks for listening and not getting too offended...
cappadinoceo 1 year ago
@koolwings
no he doesnt "force" anything. its more like blackmail or extortion.
"believe me or ill send you to hell"
not much of a choice huh?
cappadinoceo 1 year ago
@cappadinoceo Jesus is the only One who died for the sins of all people. Buddah didn't, Mohammad didn't, Krishna didn't, and the list goes on.
koolwings 1 year ago
all religions are praying to the same god, it is just peoples perception of god that varys, but its all really the same thing find salvation, find happiness, accept all peoples. and if your god isnt saying something along those lines find a new god, and some prozac.
AceofDimonds0 2 years ago
@AceofDimonds0 How do all religions pray to the same god? Moses taught there was only one God, Krishna believes in many gods, Buddha was an agnostic, Islam prays to Allah, pantheism believes that everything is god. Logically they can all be wrong, but they all can't be right. Religion is fallen humanity's attempt to reach up and be acceptable in what we do. Christianity is a divine gift in what Christ has done.
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
but all religions teach the same thing, its just diffrent people call 'god' diffrent names. but they all share the same basic principals
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDimonds0 The opinions of all other religious leaders are equally valid in that they are equally worthless. Jesus is the only One who had the power to lay down His life and raise it again. "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved"
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
but thats the thing, christians put so much emphasis on where we are going and never mind what we do in this life.
heaven and hell are the destanation-it does not matter on where your going it matters how you get there. because to a truely happy person couldnt this be considered heaven? heaven is vague, yes eternal life and yes happiness but not all people find the same happiness from the same thing.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@koolwings "The opinions of all other religious leaders are equally valid in that they are equally worthless."
This statement is true, but only if you remove the word "other" and only if by "opinions" you mean "opinions regarding divine truth." Even with the assumption of the existence of 'God', by your own reasoning, man cannot assume to know the mind of 'God.' You are treading on very dangerous waters there, koolwings, to speak for the man upstairs.
ar904 1 year ago
@ar904 God SAYS this about himself in His Word, John 14:6. Jesus says " I AM the way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father except through me" Jesus praying before He is crucified, John 17:3, "this is eternal life,that they may know You, The only true God and Jesus Christ whom You sent to earth" Jesus warns of judgment, John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe( trust in) I am He, you will die in your sins.
koolwings 1 year ago
@koolwings
The Bible is a book. Nothing more. You can't act like it contains facts until you prove them, which you haven't yet.
Digitalis17894 1 year ago
@Digitalis17894 You must have a degree in textural transmission, Where did you study? The Bible proves that Jesus taught these facts about himself. You can't deny that,
koolwings 1 year ago
@ar904 cont'd, saying all of this, God has made it so clear to us that if we seek Him we will find Him in General Revelation( His creation) and special Revelation( His written Word). I challenge you to research these things. talk to people who were atheists, agnostics etc.., go on the internet, read books. Doesn't it matter what is true in this life? and not really what we think or feel? There has to be absolute truth. Don;t take my word, really dig deep, and take the time. take care.
koolwings 1 year ago