Any talk about geo-engineering (or engineering of any kind) that doesn't mention the word ENTROPY somewhere, let alone do a serious calculation of it, is worthless bullshit.
By the 2nd Law of Thermo, geoengineering can NEVER be as good as simply preventing the CO2 going into the atmosphere in the first place.
Stop having kids. Go vegan. And mandate both by law. Outlaw coal. Solar and wind ONLY for electricity. BOOM! Problem solved.
Well somebody has been funding it for about 2 decades........This has been overhead since the 1990's..Thanks for asking the rest of us how we felt about it..
If a human gets insufficient sunlight it causes vitamin D deficiencies which in turn lead to clinical depression. Humans are organisms. Humans are not among the MOST sensitive organisms to sunlight. If one artificially alters the amount of sunlight that hits the entire earth that CANNOT be good for a large number of organisms. The harm to biodiversity is potentially catastrophic! >.< Bloody Hell.
Putting chemicals in the sky contaminates the air we breathe & the water we drink. There are other power resources that we could use on this planet but the corporations/governments are not pushing these. Instead they want to add more taxes, keep the fear machine spinning and keep us enslaved. No more!
Do you really think things change?? If so I call that bloody naive
I have the patents for geo-engineering on my channel (welsbach cloud seeding)
I live in Wiltshire and the summer just gone I was sun bathing in my garden when 2 planes flew above me deposited spray then 5-10 minutes later a different type of plane flew through the trails and let 2 yellow weather ballons out the back 1 moved rather rapidly and other far slower I call that a test
Treating the symptom and not the source. Comparable to so many great issues of today. How many people out there actually believe that we have sufficient knowledge of this beautiful planet and it's systems to start trying to control the delicate balance between the earth and the sun's energy when we can't even accurately predict the weather!This planet is not our slave and we are not it's master. We may still learn to live in harmony but i fear we will pay for this arrogance. Good vibes 2 all :-)
Weather is a chaotic system. Tiny perturbations grow up to dominate the system over longer time scales. Give it a couple of months and a cow fart can move a hurricane. Wait long enough and quantum effects rise up to dominate the system.
It is not just difficult to make long-term predictions of weather, it is impossible even with perfect knowledge and infinite computing power.
Climate is not like weather, it is not chaotic although it might still be difficult to predict.
right i can't get to the net often so don't have time to debate here! Why would my mentioning of the weather lead you to think i was talking LONG term? I was simply making a point. Climate and weather are two different things, agreed, but they are comparable for obvious reasons
There is no "delicate balance", no garden of Eden but for the intereference of man.''
Any critical look at natural history reveals that life and the Earth is fundamentally "anti-gaian".
Algae killed most life on Earth with toxic oxygen gas. Sulfur bacteria did it again several times with hydrogen sulfide. Rocks absorbed most of the CO2, causing ice-sheets to spread all the way to the equator. Comets obliterated most life several times.
Things are adapted because things which are not, die.
their is no delicate balance? Please let me know of the other planets you know of with abundant life and I'll reconsider my thoughts. The multitude of conditions required to have eventually led us here, two people communicating over the net are staggering. I'm not trying to start an argument here i just don't agree with you and think we have a totally different picture of the world
if it were fifty years ago they'd all be prominent SS scientists with a no-holes barred, carte blanc to destroy humanity, their enthusiasm to impose their drastic ignorance upon us all makes me sick!
lest we forget, what those ss scientists were free to do it will happen again.
Give me historical examples where large-scale environmental engineering were long-term successes - are there any that did not turn into a catastrophe for the generation that followed? Please learn to be humble, or the arrogance and self-righteousness of scientists will ruin us - financially and physically. By the way: psychology shows that optimists ("it will work!") are not very susceptible to doubts. That's why they should do business, not politics. And not geo-engineering!
According to NOAA data, earth is now cooling. Good news for taxpayers who will be severely penalized if cap & trade is passed. Data compilation demonstrating ice recovery
Climate models predicted a cooling STRATOSPHERE, satellites confirmed the prediction was correct, astroturfers claims this proves Earth is cooling?
Also the video you point to is dishonestly conflating shrinking Artic sea ice with expanding Antartic icebergs.
Nobody seems to want to take credit for producing the video you point to, I assume it was made by the lobbyists at the heartland institute or one of their front groups, Bob Carter perhaps?
Even considering this is pure madness. There are too many variables. Get one thing wrong and all calculations go out the window. As examples he failed to mention that extra particles in the atmosphere would actually trap heat at night. Also aerosol particles are extremely small and interfere with rain bearing clouds making them less lightly to shed rain. Anyway, the bastards are doing it already as the now ubiquitous chemtrails and chemclouds attest. Humans are out of control!
Geoengineering aka "chemtrails" have been underway since the late 1990s. Recently gasoline price inflation and macroeconomic depression were added as methods for slowing greenhouse gas emissions. Next will be carbon taxation and alternative energy development, high speed rail, urban agriculture, etc.
Concerns 37 min. Very poor science. What about affects on crops, animals including mammels and ourselves.
Unless human life is not a concern in the equation of the presenter of this topic. Especially with the high levels of barium, aluminum, etc. found within these spraying over mass populations. AKA: Chemtrails.
all volcanoes put out 21 Million tons of CO2 every year!
mankind puts out 25 BILLION tons of CO2 every year AND RISING
We're already geo-engineering by making a mess... looking for ways to mitigate might help but it all depends what's on the horizon.. or should I say 'what's on the equator' (as in the galactic equator which the whole solar system is soon going to cross?
Yeah and "super volcano's" will put out much more and prevent sunlight from entering causing global cooling for several years. Don't you find it useful that we know how to warm the planet now. These were simply theories thought of that could be done and more practical theories that can be done. I don't believe they were suppose to be long term.
Likewise if we continue to bugger up the atmosphere then we've had it!
Personally I would have rather do the science in a lab & on a computer, than go buggering up the Earth's environment; however "useful" it MIGHT be in the future to know this stuff.
Seems totally mad daft & crazy to let loose runaway global BURNING just to find out what will happen... when an ecologists could have told you this 40 years ago (if only people would have listened)!
That's is exactly what I thought should be done if anything appropriate should be done at all. However it is not useful to criticize the lecture when it was based on theoretical situations that could be used in the event of an emergency to prolong humanities existence. We can build greenhouses for vegetation in the event that a super volcano goes off and it is possible that we can survive if we have a plan. All in all I agree doing this on a computer at this point makes more sense.
I think my only criticism of this sort of thing is that there are those out there who would use it as an excuse to continue to bugger up the environment.. and would say.. "its okay, we have ways of fixing things.. so now its okay if we mess it up"... as their justifying chant.
The beauty of the Earth's system is that it will adapt & respond differently to different conditions.. this is why Lovelock said Gaia was like a living self-regulating system.
crap your statistics, of course they are true, but it is not increasing man made exhaust, that is causing the warming, try and learn more about abstronomy..........it will warm anyway look at the sun and the nine or ten planets.....and then learn and get out of your matrix. sorry to shock you. get out of your matrix what the heck! this is: the next category, you have never looked at bevor, your are so hooked in your system.....
Costa Rica earthquake on the 8th and on the 20th and in Bodrum-Turkey on the 23th of January 2009 has been predicted.You will see more than 500 earthquake prediction for 2009.
See what earthquake happened in Colombia on the 31st of January 2009.For Colombia or Costa Rica:31st of January 2009,16h25min
/UTC/.Boyko Iliev/Consultant by earthquakes in Bulgarian bTV,"Seismograph"/
Great lecture. Thanks, Google. Thanks, Dr Caldeira. In this regard, we might need to start thinking about "polar cities" for future survivors of global warming, google the term and see what bloggers are saying about this. Also, the new Vaclav Klaus Climate Joke Awards are also taking nominations for people who say stupid things about the climate, on both sides of the aisle.
Any talk about geo-engineering (or engineering of any kind) that doesn't mention the word ENTROPY somewhere, let alone do a serious calculation of it, is worthless bullshit.
By the 2nd Law of Thermo, geoengineering can NEVER be as good as simply preventing the CO2 going into the atmosphere in the first place.
Stop having kids. Go vegan. And mandate both by law. Outlaw coal. Solar and wind ONLY for electricity. BOOM! Problem solved.
mphello 2 months ago
Booooo. the whole solar system is heating up dummy. cant stand these global warming douches.
BestZaros 6 months ago
Well somebody has been funding it for about 2 decades........This has been overhead since the 1990's..Thanks for asking the rest of us how we felt about it..
adriftingspiral2 7 months ago
Fuck you google and fuck geoengeering fans. fuck you dolphin and fuck you whale
meushubris 8 months ago
Hmmm... let's think. What is the most environmentally sensitive thing to do?
Risk the arctic,
or
risk the planet?
The planet..... the arctic. The PLANET!>the arctic.
Technoscribe 9 months ago
0.O "&£*(*"&!&^"%£%&&"!&^"&!!!!!!!
If a human gets insufficient sunlight it causes vitamin D deficiencies which in turn lead to clinical depression. Humans are organisms. Humans are not among the MOST sensitive organisms to sunlight. If one artificially alters the amount of sunlight that hits the entire earth that CANNOT be good for a large number of organisms. The harm to biodiversity is potentially catastrophic! >.< Bloody Hell.
Technoscribe 9 months ago
Putting chemicals in the sky contaminates the air we breathe & the water we drink. There are other power resources that we could use on this planet but the corporations/governments are not pushing these. Instead they want to add more taxes, keep the fear machine spinning and keep us enslaved. No more!
BlueBloodTasty 10 months ago
google - the times chemical tests wiltshire
Do you really think things change?? If so I call that bloody naive
I have the patents for geo-engineering on my channel (welsbach cloud seeding)
I live in Wiltshire and the summer just gone I was sun bathing in my garden when 2 planes flew above me deposited spray then 5-10 minutes later a different type of plane flew through the trails and let 2 yellow weather ballons out the back 1 moved rather rapidly and other far slower I call that a test
honestTom333 1 year ago
Geo-engineering experiments are contaminating Mt. Shasta with aluminum. Not cool.
GimmeSomeTruth1971 1 year ago
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Go read Richard Turco on the Nuttiness of Climate Engineering. 2010-6-29
:-)
judomagyar 1 year ago
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Hyronymuss 1 year ago
glad we have smart people working on this. we need geoengineering and reduction in pollution.
save the planet and save mankind.
thesparitan 1 year ago
Treating the symptom and not the source. Comparable to so many great issues of today. How many people out there actually believe that we have sufficient knowledge of this beautiful planet and it's systems to start trying to control the delicate balance between the earth and the sun's energy when we can't even accurately predict the weather!This planet is not our slave and we are not it's master. We may still learn to live in harmony but i fear we will pay for this arrogance. Good vibes 2 all :-)
toez100 1 year ago
Weather is a chaotic system. Tiny perturbations grow up to dominate the system over longer time scales. Give it a couple of months and a cow fart can move a hurricane. Wait long enough and quantum effects rise up to dominate the system.
It is not just difficult to make long-term predictions of weather, it is impossible even with perfect knowledge and infinite computing power.
Climate is not like weather, it is not chaotic although it might still be difficult to predict.
soylentgreenb 1 year ago
right i can't get to the net often so don't have time to debate here! Why would my mentioning of the weather lead you to think i was talking LONG term? I was simply making a point. Climate and weather are two different things, agreed, but they are comparable for obvious reasons
toez100 1 year ago
There is no "delicate balance", no garden of Eden but for the intereference of man.''
Any critical look at natural history reveals that life and the Earth is fundamentally "anti-gaian".
Algae killed most life on Earth with toxic oxygen gas. Sulfur bacteria did it again several times with hydrogen sulfide. Rocks absorbed most of the CO2, causing ice-sheets to spread all the way to the equator. Comets obliterated most life several times.
Things are adapted because things which are not, die.
soylentgreenb 1 year ago
their is no delicate balance? Please let me know of the other planets you know of with abundant life and I'll reconsider my thoughts. The multitude of conditions required to have eventually led us here, two people communicating over the net are staggering. I'm not trying to start an argument here i just don't agree with you and think we have a totally different picture of the world
toez100 1 year ago
if it were fifty years ago they'd all be prominent SS scientists with a no-holes barred, carte blanc to destroy humanity, their enthusiasm to impose their drastic ignorance upon us all makes me sick!
lest we forget, what those ss scientists were free to do it will happen again.
thats why we say 'lest we forget'
and how forgetful is humanity?
WellSightedGentleman 2 years ago
these guys have absolutely no ethics whatsoever to be qualified to go ahead and poison the planet. IPCC you tards!
that organisation is a total book cooking load of bullshit, time will prove it!
WellSightedGentleman 2 years ago
Totally bogus!
hd625b 2 years ago
So smart, yet such an idiot...no wonder nothing grows.
Keep polluting the skies to save us from the climate
Can u say brainwashed, mind-controlled ninny?
yoyocd 2 years ago
Give me historical examples where large-scale environmental engineering were long-term successes - are there any that did not turn into a catastrophe for the generation that followed? Please learn to be humble, or the arrogance and self-righteousness of scientists will ruin us - financially and physically. By the way: psychology shows that optimists ("it will work!") are not very susceptible to doubts. That's why they should do business, not politics. And not geo-engineering!
TARNOLDable 2 years ago
According to NOAA data, earth is now cooling. Good news for taxpayers who will be severely penalized if cap & trade is passed. Data compilation demonstrating ice recovery
watch?v=q9KGT3ZfFjQ
Min 17:07
"High-altitude transport aircraft
Condor/Global Hawk with a cargo bay
B747 10+ tonnes/yr of ENGINEERED AEROSOL.
Acid rain & other PM in our immediate breathing atmosphere are bad enough w/out adding engineered aerosols
Yoetah 2 years ago 2
Please stop lobbying for paid liars.
Climate models predicted a cooling STRATOSPHERE, satellites confirmed the prediction was correct, astroturfers claims this proves Earth is cooling?
Also the video you point to is dishonestly conflating shrinking Artic sea ice with expanding Antartic icebergs.
Nobody seems to want to take credit for producing the video you point to, I assume it was made by the lobbyists at the heartland institute or one of their front groups, Bob Carter perhaps?
Tapecutter59 2 years ago
momentum or short time data isn't useful in making a prognosis. it's a multi-feedback system. at least a few decades is needed.
Macovic 2 years ago
wrong. you are a idiot.
read some fucking science fo gods balls sacks.
you are a idiot and stop trying to debate.
that video was stupid they didnt even allow for comments. you people and you ignorance and lying shit, makes me sick.
you dont even have the balls to debate without lying.
comments disabled, hahahahha
EPIC FAIL
thesparitan 1 year ago
Even considering this is pure madness. There are too many variables. Get one thing wrong and all calculations go out the window. As examples he failed to mention that extra particles in the atmosphere would actually trap heat at night. Also aerosol particles are extremely small and interfere with rain bearing clouds making them less lightly to shed rain. Anyway, the bastards are doing it already as the now ubiquitous chemtrails and chemclouds attest. Humans are out of control!
glazinq 2 years ago
The only thing rising rapidly are the military chemtrail operations
cdimmm 2 years ago
What a load of NWO CRAP! really
grodenbarg 2 years ago
Geoengineering aka "chemtrails" have been underway since the late 1990s. Recently gasoline price inflation and macroeconomic depression were added as methods for slowing greenhouse gas emissions. Next will be carbon taxation and alternative energy development, high speed rail, urban agriculture, etc.
jburt56 2 years ago
Concerns 37 min. Very poor science. What about affects on crops, animals including mammels and ourselves.
Unless human life is not a concern in the equation of the presenter of this topic. Especially with the high levels of barium, aluminum, etc. found within these spraying over mass populations. AKA: Chemtrails.
U2Berror 2 years ago 2
all volcanoes put out 21 Million tons of CO2 every year!
mankind puts out 25 BILLION tons of CO2 every year AND RISING
We're already geo-engineering by making a mess... looking for ways to mitigate might help but it all depends what's on the horizon.. or should I say 'what's on the equator' (as in the galactic equator which the whole solar system is soon going to cross?
;-)
ejbh3160 2 years ago 2
Yeah and "super volcano's" will put out much more and prevent sunlight from entering causing global cooling for several years. Don't you find it useful that we know how to warm the planet now. These were simply theories thought of that could be done and more practical theories that can be done. I don't believe they were suppose to be long term.
hinderoso 2 years ago
well if a super volcano goes off we've had it.
Likewise if we continue to bugger up the atmosphere then we've had it!
Personally I would have rather do the science in a lab & on a computer, than go buggering up the Earth's environment; however "useful" it MIGHT be in the future to know this stuff.
Seems totally mad daft & crazy to let loose runaway global BURNING just to find out what will happen... when an ecologists could have told you this 40 years ago (if only people would have listened)!
ejbh3160 2 years ago
That's is exactly what I thought should be done if anything appropriate should be done at all. However it is not useful to criticize the lecture when it was based on theoretical situations that could be used in the event of an emergency to prolong humanities existence. We can build greenhouses for vegetation in the event that a super volcano goes off and it is possible that we can survive if we have a plan. All in all I agree doing this on a computer at this point makes more sense.
hinderoso 2 years ago
lol.. indeed.
I think my only criticism of this sort of thing is that there are those out there who would use it as an excuse to continue to bugger up the environment.. and would say.. "its okay, we have ways of fixing things.. so now its okay if we mess it up"... as their justifying chant.
The beauty of the Earth's system is that it will adapt & respond differently to different conditions.. this is why Lovelock said Gaia was like a living self-regulating system.
ejbh3160 2 years ago
Plants sink CO2 down to 0.00037%: A level whic hrISES in an ice age.
JonThm 2 years ago
7:36 - This is the so-called Chemtrail phenomenon.
TheBluePill420 2 years ago
Dear Sir,
crap your statistics, of course they are true, but it is not increasing man made exhaust, that is causing the warming, try and learn more about abstronomy..........it will warm anyway look at the sun and the nine or ten planets.....and then learn and get out of your matrix. sorry to shock you. get out of your matrix what the heck! this is: the next category, you have never looked at bevor, your are so hooked in your system.....
try!!!!!!
Lightalight 2 years ago
fuck geoengineering , multinationals are the criminals : more more more..., they own the game , they own the world , they own us.
and everybody depends on them :(
greyonednb 2 years ago
Costa Rica earthquake on the 8th and on the 20th and in Bodrum-Turkey on the 23th of January 2009 has been predicted.You will see more than 500 earthquake prediction for 2009.
See what earthquake happened in Colombia on the 31st of January 2009.For Colombia or Costa Rica:31st of January 2009,16h25min
/UTC/.Boyko Iliev/Consultant by earthquakes in Bulgarian bTV,"Seismograph"/
BOYKOILIEV2008 3 years ago
Holy crap its a hour long.
DreadRaptor85 3 years ago
i never noticed, so it surprised me after like 15 mins and I was like what the hell
harleysunshine3 3 years ago
Great lecture. Thanks, Google. Thanks, Dr Caldeira. In this regard, we might need to start thinking about "polar cities" for future survivors of global warming, google the term and see what bloggers are saying about this. Also, the new Vaclav Klaus Climate Joke Awards are also taking nominations for people who say stupid things about the climate, on both sides of the aisle.
songsterhiragana 3 years ago