I agree with nitedemon436. This is the greatest race I've ever seen. I was 11 when I saw this race on television in 1971 and to this day, it's the most memorable race I've ever seen. I watched this race and became a track fan forever !!.. I don't know what the commentator is saying but he sounds awesome and adds to the occasion and helps relive the moment .. AWESOME
The last 300m in the 10000m race was 36.8 sec and is the fastest EVER recorded in a distans race from 1500 to the 10000. Correct me if you can find a faster kick than this.
@FinnMove - The only split you have correct is the last 400m. Just by looking at the last lap, there's no way that first 100m took only 17.1 sec! That's 68.4 pace for 400m, or 28:30 for 10k. Looking at the video, there are small white posts around the track, marking out each 100m. In the 10000m he went through the mark 300m from home in 27:13.5, 200m from home in 27:26.2, & 100 from home in 27:39.3. So his last 300m was 39.2, last 200 26.5, last 100 13.4.
So his 100 splits on the last lap went- 14.7, 12.7, 13.1, 13.4.
In the 5000m the video cuts in well after the bell, but his last 300m went- 12.5 (down the back straight), 13.1 & 13.6, giving him a last 300 of 39.2 also. Still a great turn of speed at the end of a reasonably fast 5 & 10 k, but not the 36.8 you imply.
@subnantingfort Maybe Abdi Bile in the 1987 worlds 1500. His lat 800m was 1:46 flat and last 400m 51 flat. Much of that great last 400m made in the last 200m. But no, I do not know the 300m split. His last 800m of that race is surely a record though.
Kukaan ei olisi voittanut Väätäistä kympillä. Vitosella Wadoux oli hänen pahin kilpakumppaninsa, ja samalla hänen vanha treenikaverinsa. Juha sanoi Wadouxille, pistä räppänät selälleen 600 metriä ennen maalia ! Yleensä näin Wadoux olisi Juhan voittanut. Mutta sen sijaan homma hoidettiin Juhan ylivoimasella kirillä, jälleen.
"mitäs jos nuo kilpailijat alkaisivat kesken kisan tappelemaan"
Kyllä siinä kärki liukenis armottomasti karkuun jos poitsut jäis nujuamaan keskenään :D Ruotsi-ottelussahan nahinointia on 1500m:llä tietääkseni joskus yritetty, mutta se nyt on vähän eri asia jos matkavauhti on hitaampi kuin Vallu Konosen (kävellen) aerobinen kynnys. Väätäinen kestäis siinä nykykunnossaankin luultavasti mukana :D
not to offend any1 but I think this is what the ideal for the nazi master race policies. a german with a blond hair blue eyed nordic runner. Is this what they had in mind? this finish blows my mind! they make other runners look like they standing still. juha must have been hurt like they say in the munich games. only lasse viren and ian stewart could come close to dealing with this finishing speed on their best day. juha was last in munich games.
That's one of the main advantages of.....umm....."enhanced medical prodedures" shall we say? With an artificially increased RBC count, you can shift the training effect from mostly aerobic conditioning to more anaerobic conditioning. Train like a sprinter, race like a distance god. Sweet deal!
You must be a complete idiot, not even able to walk...morone. Väätäinen ran at least 10 000 km a year...do you think spriners do ii?..Name even one...you morone!
Training for the 10k and 5k races normally requires one to do quality intermediate repeat distances - mile repeats, 1k repeats, etc. - in addition to basework and speedwork. Trying to maximize all three aspects is nearly impossible. Since the intermediate repeats are the ones that aid most in maxVO2 e.g. RBC production, if one could increase RBC artificially, one could reduce intermediate work and focus on base and speedwork. And reduce injury prospects as well.
Can I also add, what a sweet era to be an athlete in. How awesome for JV to run like he did IN Helsinki in front of a sold out Olympic Stadium going ballistic (did I see some kids jump over the railing in the 10km?!!!) Makes a mockery of todays lame and uninteresting track meets.
I have a great Väätäinen story. In 2004 I ran in the Madrid GP meet and my roomate was...Juha Väätäinen - there as a coach. Told me some epic stories and of course all about his nickname - Juha the Cruel. On top of that he was coaching Kirsi Valasti (SUPER hot 5000m chick) and she came in and stripped off and he gave her a massage! All time! He also snored so loud I had to sleep in the hallway of the room. Pretty rugged guy and obviously a bit of a savage in his glory days!
I remember seeing this on TV, and then wondering what happened to Väätäinen in Munich. A Finnish journalist explained it: blood doping has positive reaction followed by a negative reaction. It has to be timed right. In Munich the Palestinians attacked, delaying the race. Väätäinen went into his negative reaction phase. The same man told me that in an earlier round, Ian Stewart challenged Väätäinen in home straight, and Väätäinen looked at him, laughed at him, and ran away.
The only flaw in that theory is that the other Finn aka Viren did okay (grin) in the final, right? Assuming they were both using the same "medical" techniques, why did the delay negatively affect Väätäinen but not Viren? Listening to the British commentators of the Munich 5k final, they mention Väätäinen's "leg troubles" as the reason for his last place finish, although if he indeed won his semis I wonder when the "leg problems" occurred? Either way, too bad he wasn't up for the final.
Fair enough: so maybe they were not using exactly the same method. Or maybe Viren was negatively affected, but won anyway. Or maybe they used the same method, but they reacted slightly differently; so then one wonders what might have happened had the race been run another day later.
I saw an X-ray of Lasse Viren's heart once. It was big. Its cross-sectional area, as viewed in the X-ray, was about twice that of a normal heart.
Simple blood doping (e.g. drawing out one's own blood, freezing it, then reinjecting it prior to a major competition) was neither illegal at the time, nor objectively immoral, and only slightly raised the risk of heart failure due to a too high RBC count - easily mitigated by taking a few aspirin. Compare that to the Eastern Bloc athletes like Haase, who was probably meth'ed up at the time. I'd root for a doped Finn over a meth'ed East German anyday.
Jep. Olin 9-vuotias, kun Jussi räjäytti Suomen. Eihän tuon katsomiseen koskaan kyllästy. Hauska yksityiskohta, että tälläkin kympillä, tässäkin on Bedford vetomiehenä. Sanoi mies myöhemmin, ettei erityisemmin pidä suomalaisista. Enpä ihmettele...
I watched this with my dad, still alive, and my late brother. I didn't get at the time who was the Finnish guy and who the German, and was happy to understand afterwards that it was the Fin (no offense Germans, but I'm from Rotterdam and such was the mood still in 1971). I never thought I'd see this again. Youtube is great.
Another one I remembered is the race by Mary Decker, coming back again and again. Thee images, and even more the feeling of awe, seem to linger forever.
A real blast from the past this, remember seeing this with my old dad, who loved athletics, when I was 8, now I'm almost 46 and haven't seen it since. Bedford had been featured a lot on Grandstand, winning races easily in the UK, but I don't think he'd come across the flying Finn before.
Yes, real blast from the past this, remember watching this at the age of 8 with my old dad, who loved athletics, and I haven't seen it again till now when I'm nearly 46. I can remember Bedford had been featured a lot on Grandstand, but the Finn was far too good for him.
This brings back great memories. I watched this race from start to finish as a 9 year old. As a Brit I was rooting for David Bedford but he was simply blown away by an amazing piece of running. The last lap was electrifying and I have never seen a more exciting finish to a race.
I was 12 years old when this tournament was held and never thought I'd get to see these finishes again!
Vaatainen vs that East German guy (Haaser?) on the final lap of the 10,000m was brilliant! They seemed to be in a different race to everybody else. Poor old David Bedford was blown away, which often seemed to be the case as far as I can recall. What a pity Vaatainen was injured for the '72 Olympics. Watching him v Viren would have been terrific!
Absoutely brilliant. Not sure who was more wild the crowd or the commentator! I was born in '72 and first saw this on a repeat BBC showing during one of those great moments slots years ago, but never thought would be able to see again. Cheers dude :-)
This race ( 10,000 metres ) is quite simply the greatest championship race of all time. A finish like that had NEVER been seen before, and for it to happen in Helsinki, with a Finnish winner, sent the crowd completely wild.
Amazing! I also saw these championships at the time, and that famous 10,000 metres last lap was reshown for a few years afterwards. I never thought I'd see again. Thanks for digging it out and uploading it here.
I agree with nitedemon436. This is the greatest race I've ever seen. I was 11 when I saw this race on television in 1971 and to this day, it's the most memorable race I've ever seen. I watched this race and became a track fan forever !!.. I don't know what the commentator is saying but he sounds awesome and adds to the occasion and helps relive the moment .. AWESOME
cosmicwarlord2002 3 days ago
Like the Duke of Plaza Toro leading from behind,
bafa7353 5 days ago
I was there with dad and brother at age of nine, still remember that feeling
aatu62 10 months ago
I was there with dad and brother at age of nine, still remember that feeling
aatu62 10 months ago
Julma-Juha on Paras!
mixuli1966 11 months ago
@mixuli1966 hieno persoona, omien teiden kulkija ja tosi oikeudenmukainen mies ja rehellinen(ei koskaan pettäisi vaimoaan esim!!).
MrJuha82 2 months ago
Varmaan oli stadionilla Hirmu Meteli!
raitismarko 1 year ago 5
the best last round of all times !!
i like this race
222mozart 1 year ago
oliks väätäinen munssenissä ylikunnossa/loukkaantuneena tms?
keravankauhu 1 year ago
The last 300m in the 10000m race was 36.8 sec and is the fastest EVER recorded in a distans race from 1500 to the 10000. Correct me if you can find a faster kick than this.
subnantingfort 1 year ago 3
@subnantingfort Yes, I believe you. The last lap 53, 9 sec.
Minus the first 100 metres of it 17, 1. Sounds amazing.
This speed would be a great plus also nowaydays.
A world record in its own way.
FinnMove 1 year ago
@FinnMove - The only split you have correct is the last 400m. Just by looking at the last lap, there's no way that first 100m took only 17.1 sec! That's 68.4 pace for 400m, or 28:30 for 10k. Looking at the video, there are small white posts around the track, marking out each 100m. In the 10000m he went through the mark 300m from home in 27:13.5, 200m from home in 27:26.2, & 100 from home in 27:39.3. So his last 300m was 39.2, last 200 26.5, last 100 13.4.
deano27671 1 year ago
So his 100 splits on the last lap went- 14.7, 12.7, 13.1, 13.4.
In the 5000m the video cuts in well after the bell, but his last 300m went- 12.5 (down the back straight), 13.1 & 13.6, giving him a last 300 of 39.2 also. Still a great turn of speed at the end of a reasonably fast 5 & 10 k, but not the 36.8 you imply.
deano27671 1 year ago
@subnantingfort Maybe Abdi Bile in the 1987 worlds 1500. His lat 800m was 1:46 flat and last 400m 51 flat. Much of that great last 400m made in the last 200m. But no, I do not know the 300m split. His last 800m of that race is surely a record though.
cegtown 1 year ago
Fantastic, superb :-) Congratulations to the best man, from Finland!
allaboard70 1 year ago
Ooookkkkayyyyy..... I just saw some ppl running.
NotOrdinaryInGames 1 year ago
Back when the Olympics were truly epic. Classic!
jksonny 1 year ago
Julma-Juha nosti Suomen kestävyysjuoksun taas huipulle. Lasse seurasi. Hyvä Suomi !
62liimis 2 years ago
Kukaan ei olisi voittanut Väätäistä kympillä. Vitosella Wadoux oli hänen pahin kilpakumppaninsa, ja samalla hänen vanha treenikaverinsa. Juha sanoi Wadouxille, pistä räppänät selälleen 600 metriä ennen maalia ! Yleensä näin Wadoux olisi Juhan voittanut. Mutta sen sijaan homma hoidettiin Juhan ylivoimasella kirillä, jälleen.
FinnMove 2 years ago
"mitäs jos nuo kilpailijat alkaisivat kesken kisan tappelemaan"
Kyllä siinä kärki liukenis armottomasti karkuun jos poitsut jäis nujuamaan keskenään :D Ruotsi-ottelussahan nahinointia on 1500m:llä tietääkseni joskus yritetty, mutta se nyt on vähän eri asia jos matkavauhti on hitaampi kuin Vallu Konosen (kävellen) aerobinen kynnys. Väätäinen kestäis siinä nykykunnossaankin luultavasti mukana :D
jorgenpsalminen 2 years ago
Suomen yleisurheilu näyttää ihan hyvältä mutta lisää pitäisi saada nuoria mukaan urheilun pariin.
Se on nykyään tämä tietokonen nimenomaan mikä on suurin kiinnostuksen kohde.
Mielestäni Jukka Härköstä ei arvosteta tarpeeksi Suomessa, tiedät varmaankin kuka on Jukka Härkönen?
MrJuha82 2 years ago
His grity(SISU PERKELE) is big one.
He is interesting person.
Great sportman.
MrJuha82 2 years ago
This was the start of an era that ended at Vainio's doping chase 1984. Sorry for that all those great wins are history
poo72 2 years ago
Julma-Juha!!
nykyään taiteilija tiedän.
mitäs jos nuo kilpailijat alkaisivat kesken kisan tappelemaan, alkaisivat nyrkit viuhumaan???
joku menis kanveisiin.
vähän mallia jääkiekkotappeluista lol
vitsi vitsi
MrJuha82 2 years ago
not to offend any1 but I think this is what the ideal for the nazi master race policies. a german with a blond hair blue eyed nordic runner. Is this what they had in mind? this finish blows my mind! they make other runners look like they standing still. juha must have been hurt like they say in the munich games. only lasse viren and ian stewart could come close to dealing with this finishing speed on their best day. juha was last in munich games.
raysalsa1 2 years ago
On se kevyen näköistä menoa!
Movielunatic 2 years ago
Näiden hienojen hetkien pariin tulee palattua aina uudestaan!
zeiaarzei 2 years ago
1970`s was Finnish distance runners "gold rush". We cold that 10-year periode by word: three-V line. Väätäinen(1971)-Viren(1972-1976)-Vainio(1978).
gallenkallela 2 years ago
You mean four V's: Väätäinen, Viren, Vaino, AND Vasala.
futuremodal 2 years ago
Yes, and Vasala.
gallenkallela 2 years ago
By the way, where was Jurgen Hasse for the 5k? Or was he already in rehab? :)
futuremodal 2 years ago
Jesus Christ thats called footspeed.
CocktimusPrime2012 2 years ago 2
That's one of the main advantages of.....umm....."enhanced medical prodedures" shall we say? With an artificially increased RBC count, you can shift the training effect from mostly aerobic conditioning to more anaerobic conditioning. Train like a sprinter, race like a distance god. Sweet deal!
futuremodal 2 years ago
You must be a complete idiot, not even able to walk...morone. Väätäinen ran at least 10 000 km a year...do you think spriners do ii?..Name even one...you morone!
62liimis 2 years ago
Training for the 10k and 5k races normally requires one to do quality intermediate repeat distances - mile repeats, 1k repeats, etc. - in addition to basework and speedwork. Trying to maximize all three aspects is nearly impossible. Since the intermediate repeats are the ones that aid most in maxVO2 e.g. RBC production, if one could increase RBC artificially, one could reduce intermediate work and focus on base and speedwork. And reduce injury prospects as well.
futuremodal 2 years ago
miksei juha voittanu olympialaisissa?
keravankauhu 2 years ago
Aivan mahtava jätkä
AgajaFin 2 years ago
It was proud to be a Finn at that day,but it is proud to be a Finn everyday!
m1947n 2 years ago
Can I also add, what a sweet era to be an athlete in. How awesome for JV to run like he did IN Helsinki in front of a sold out Olympic Stadium going ballistic (did I see some kids jump over the railing in the 10km?!!!) Makes a mockery of todays lame and uninteresting track meets.
smooveXXX 2 years ago
I have a great Väätäinen story. In 2004 I ran in the Madrid GP meet and my roomate was...Juha Väätäinen - there as a coach. Told me some epic stories and of course all about his nickname - Juha the Cruel. On top of that he was coaching Kirsi Valasti (SUPER hot 5000m chick) and she came in and stripped off and he gave her a massage! All time! He also snored so loud I had to sleep in the hallway of the room. Pretty rugged guy and obviously a bit of a savage in his glory days!
smooveXXX 2 years ago
juha väätäinen training method at the 70`s.
at the day he run, evening he get drunk and fucking all night!!
that was he`s own words
samoaapia1970 2 years ago
I remember seeing this on TV, and then wondering what happened to Väätäinen in Munich. A Finnish journalist explained it: blood doping has positive reaction followed by a negative reaction. It has to be timed right. In Munich the Palestinians attacked, delaying the race. Väätäinen went into his negative reaction phase. The same man told me that in an earlier round, Ian Stewart challenged Väätäinen in home straight, and Väätäinen looked at him, laughed at him, and ran away.
Finarphin 2 years ago
The only flaw in that theory is that the other Finn aka Viren did okay (grin) in the final, right? Assuming they were both using the same "medical" techniques, why did the delay negatively affect Väätäinen but not Viren? Listening to the British commentators of the Munich 5k final, they mention Väätäinen's "leg troubles" as the reason for his last place finish, although if he indeed won his semis I wonder when the "leg problems" occurred? Either way, too bad he wasn't up for the final.
futuremodal 2 years ago
Fair enough: so maybe they were not using exactly the same method. Or maybe Viren was negatively affected, but won anyway. Or maybe they used the same method, but they reacted slightly differently; so then one wonders what might have happened had the race been run another day later.
I saw an X-ray of Lasse Viren's heart once. It was big. Its cross-sectional area, as viewed in the X-ray, was about twice that of a normal heart.
Finarphin 2 years ago
Simple blood doping (e.g. drawing out one's own blood, freezing it, then reinjecting it prior to a major competition) was neither illegal at the time, nor objectively immoral, and only slightly raised the risk of heart failure due to a too high RBC count - easily mitigated by taking a few aspirin. Compare that to the Eastern Bloc athletes like Haase, who was probably meth'ed up at the time. I'd root for a doped Finn over a meth'ed East German anyday.
Still a most inspiring finish to watch.
futuremodal 2 years ago
Jep. Olin 9-vuotias, kun Jussi räjäytti Suomen. Eihän tuon katsomiseen koskaan kyllästy. Hauska yksityiskohta, että tälläkin kympillä, tässäkin on Bedford vetomiehenä. Sanoi mies myöhemmin, ettei erityisemmin pidä suomalaisista. Enpä ihmettele...
62liimis 3 years ago
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cheaters,,,all finnish athelets are cheaters. dope idiots. we all know, from viren to kuitunen to saarinen to myllela
jonnybravo8 3 years ago
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RedPetrol76 2 years ago
Oh...and americans don't ever cheat?
Randy Barnes, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, CJ Hunter, Kelli White, Justin Gatlin, Regina Jacobs, Floyd Landis,...
RedPetrol76 2 years ago
My account is bullshit, I'm really Norwegian, we dont cheat:) Small country, If we cheat you get hated by everyone.
jonnybravo8 2 years ago
Tossa Väätäisen kirissä nykyiset tummapintaiset juoksijatkin olisivat lujilla.
FinnMove 3 years ago
I watched this with my dad, still alive, and my late brother. I didn't get at the time who was the Finnish guy and who the German, and was happy to understand afterwards that it was the Fin (no offense Germans, but I'm from Rotterdam and such was the mood still in 1971). I never thought I'd see this again. Youtube is great.
Another one I remembered is the race by Mary Decker, coming back again and again. Thee images, and even more the feeling of awe, seem to linger forever.
petervankan1 3 years ago
A real blast from the past this, remember seeing this with my old dad, who loved athletics, when I was 8, now I'm almost 46 and haven't seen it since. Bedford had been featured a lot on Grandstand, winning races easily in the UK, but I don't think he'd come across the flying Finn before.
drenn63 3 years ago
Yes, real blast from the past this, remember watching this at the age of 8 with my old dad, who loved athletics, and I haven't seen it again till now when I'm nearly 46. I can remember Bedford had been featured a lot on Grandstand, but the Finn was far too good for him.
drenn63 3 years ago
The place just falls apart in the 10000m, there were fans jumping over the barriers at 0:30!
AnitCsah 3 years ago
That´s what Sebastian Coe said.
I have never seen the stadium errupt
like that day.
For me a seven year- old boy it was amazing.
FinnMove 3 years ago
It was the first race I ever saw.
In 10000 metres Väätäinen and Haase are
like sprinters from 400 metres.
It´s like of humour. Despite who wins or
who loses.
FinnMove 3 years ago
This brings back great memories. I watched this race from start to finish as a 9 year old. As a Brit I was rooting for David Bedford but he was simply blown away by an amazing piece of running. The last lap was electrifying and I have never seen a more exciting finish to a race.
barrettpj62 3 years ago
I was 12 years old when this tournament was held and never thought I'd get to see these finishes again!
Vaatainen vs that East German guy (Haaser?) on the final lap of the 10,000m was brilliant! They seemed to be in a different race to everybody else. Poor old David Bedford was blown away, which often seemed to be the case as far as I can recall. What a pity Vaatainen was injured for the '72 Olympics. Watching him v Viren would have been terrific!
cjknotty 3 years ago
Absoutely brilliant. Not sure who was more wild the crowd or the commentator! I was born in '72 and first saw this on a repeat BBC showing during one of those great moments slots years ago, but never thought would be able to see again. Cheers dude :-)
booshblue72 3 years ago
This race ( 10,000 metres ) is quite simply the greatest championship race of all time. A finish like that had NEVER been seen before, and for it to happen in Helsinki, with a Finnish winner, sent the crowd completely wild.
nitedemon436 4 years ago 26
Great atmosphere!
keisari1 4 years ago 9
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I was there with dad and brother at age of nine, still remember that feelin
aatu62 10 months ago
another great Finn... too bad that injuries preventing him from success in Munich '72...
kingwilson06ad 4 years ago 3
Viimeinen kierros olisi paha purtava niin Yifterille kuin Bekelellekin.
Very good last lap, 52,4?
rytkonen 4 years ago 6
"ever heard...", rubbish. Juha was in final at Munchen O-games 5000m.
rytkonen 4 years ago
Amazing! I also saw these championships at the time, and that famous 10,000 metres last lap was reshown for a few years afterwards. I never thought I'd see again. Thanks for digging it out and uploading it here.
TheSecondStain 4 years ago
Thanks for this - I remember these championships-and I don't think he was ever heard of again!
jokergame 4 years ago