What on earth? That singing was pathetic. I seems like nobody there actualy loves God. IS there anybody with an honest heart anymore that will seek GOds will and not there own?
to brodrodough....please touch base with me at ilinv2010@gmail.com....I am writing a book about my 2 year experience with the ICOC....my memory is a nightmare also......i will discuss more in private but I will guarantee that there are many more people out there and I want to write about this for all the world to see what is being allowed to exist in our society.....
The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
Notice too how he said, "on this rock I will build my church". Compare that to the parable of the wise man, who built his house on rock. Matthew 7:24-27
Matthew 7:24-24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
If the Catholic Church isn't correct and all other churches broke away from the Catholics which church is correct?
@junmeskie The greek word [petra] is diffrent from [petros] petra is 'this rock' petros is peter, if he refered to peter he would have used the same word.
He refered to the faith of peter.
The catholic Church is wrong in many practices if you wish to discuss it pleas pm
If you are a Roman Catholic, you know that Jesus Christ the Son of God Acts 2, I Tim. 3:15 founded your religion in the year 33 with Peter as its first Pope Matthew 16:18-19, John 21:15-17 and that it has not changed since that time.
Even today, the above-enumerated facts are still undeniable.
He guided the Israelites on their escape from Egypt by giving them a pillar of fire to light their way across the dark wilderness (Exod. 13:21).
Matthew 16:18 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Where in this verse can we find that Jesus Christ started the Roman Catholic Church & Simon Peter was the first pope?
If you are Jehovahs Witness - T. Russell (1852- 1916) founded your movement. As a teenager he rejected his Presbyterian roots, joined a more liberal Congregational Church, and then left this group as well. He denied the deity of Christ and the biblical teachings on hell and eternal punishment. Russell had no formal Bible training.
If you are Seventh Day Adventist - Ellen G. White founded your religion 1844, though she was a follower of one William Miller of New York, who propounded much of what Mrs. White later adopted for her religion.
If you worship with the Salvation Army - your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are Christian Scientist - Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy founded your religion in 1879
If you are Mormon (Latter Day Saints) - Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y. in 1829.
If you are Church of Christ - The New Light Christian Church, led by former Presbyterian minister Barron Warren Stone; and the Reformed Baptist, led by Alexander Campbell (who also established the Disciples of Christ), also a former Presbyterian. Combined their churches into one in 1836 and called it Church of Christ
If you are a Mennonites - The Mennonites are named after Menno Simons Founded in the 16th century. Amish began as a split-off sect of the Swiss Mennonites during the late 17th century your founder is Jacob Amman.
If you are a Baptist - you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, launched in Amsterdam in 1606.
If you are a Methodist - your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are Presbyterian - John Knox who studied under Luther started your church in Scotland, in the year 1560.
If you are a Congregationalist - your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are a Protestant Episcopalian - your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are Anabaptists - Nicholas Storch, a weaver (d. 1525) and Thomas Münzer, a Lutheran preacher (c. 1490-1525), together with the other self-styled "Prophets of Zwickau" started your sect in Saxony, Germany in 1521.
If you belong to the Church of England - King Henry VIII founded your religion in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.
Was it started by one of the Apostles? Where did your church begin? Did it begin in the Holy Land? Did it even begin in a place that is mentioned in the Bible? Was it even on the same continent? When did your church begin? Did it start in Biblical times? Was it even started in the first millennium?
For many answers to these questions is a relatively with a basic search of history.
First let us read the history of the Church of Christ
The Catholic Church (started in 33 by Jesus himself) was originally called (some still called it) the Church of Christ in the year 107 Ignatius of Antioch called the Early Christians "Katholikos" Universal or All Nations (Matthew 28:19-20)
In 1836 Warren Stone and Alexander name thier new denomination "Church of Christ" to decieve people and make ppl to believe that it's Jesus church?
With this said, it can be seen that the concept of a catholic or universal (nations) Church is well-founded in Scripture, (Matt 28:19-20)
though the actual term was not ascribed to the Church of Christ until later.
The first recorded, non-biblical use of the term was by Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrneans, written circa 110 A.D. (chapter 8, verse 2).
The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:1920, Rev. 5:910)
JESUS IS INFALLIBLE (Matt. 16:18) w/ AN INFALLIBLE CHURCH -period-
@junmeskie@junmeskie U keep saying that Cath n bible, not N/Mat 28:19,20. It is impos that JC refers to Cath when He said upon this rock I will bld my church or when the cofC came 2 fruition in Acts 2 THEY DID NOT EXIST. The only 1 was the cofC, u had Saduccees, Pharisees, Judaism, & Paul put them 2 rest when he said, he profited N Jews not GODS relign Gal 1:12-16, NO CATH, CARE NOT WHAT CATH MEANS SEARCH TIL U R BLUE N THE FACE IT IS NOT THERE.
@junmeskie There is/was no Apostolic successn aft all apostles died there were no more chosen only JC could choose apostles w/his JC death w/excpt of Paul as 1 born out of due seasn there were no more chsn 1 Cor 15:7-9. I don't kno what U actually mean by Apost Succsn. I kno there CAN'T b any Apostles 2day Y bec No 1 2day has companied w/JC /seen 1 Cor 9:1-3: Acts 1:15-22. These a qualificatn 4 Apostlshp chsn by Lord Acts 1:24. NO APOSTOLIC SUCCSN WHATEVR IT MEANS.
@junmeskie Cath cam n2 exist 600 yrs latr. Is not the church that is univ, tho all who obey r part of the coC. It is not so called "univ" bec u cant come n the way U want 2 LORD HAS 2 ADD U 2 IT ACT 2:47 UR only added if U come n the way Lord comnds. It is the GRACE OF GOD that is univ Tit 2:10-12. Not univ bec it belngs 2 God alone. UR rt n your comet abt Cath church as a concpt, concpt of some man UR also rt univ part bec it does not, has not, cannot, will never belong to God.
@junmeskie U R wrong n ur comnt abt JC institing His church, & then the comnd that it b sent 2 human race. The proph the church came b4 the church came n2 exist Isa 2:1-3, Jer 31:30-35, Mat 16:18. Does not exist evrywhr JC is 4 he is omnipotent, church exist where 2 /3 r gathr n His name Mat 18:19-21. U seem 2 thnk th church is bldg not is a grp called out hence Act 2:14,41 who do u thnk THEM ref 2? V14 Pet w/11othrs were add 2 these 12 they r set n 1 Cor 12:27-29.
@6153calme YEP indeed the Catholic Church is always WRONG lol
When they are the the one who gave us the BIBLE (that you guys keep DISTORTING) read the TRUE HISTORY
Go Google em
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists (Pope) that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all." ~ Martin Luther
Fr. Martin Luther O.S.A - The Father of The Protestantism) excommunicated by Pope Leo
@junmeskie What do u mean til I am honest, seem Like I have been the 1 givig l book, chap, & verse u R just talking w/o biblical or man given history 2 back up anything u r saying. We r not compelled 2 concede anything of this quote U quote we receivd nothng from any papist the bible say Holy men of God spake as THEY were moved 2 Pet 1:20,21 not any papist .Eph 3:4-6. U my friend need to start backing it up w/some Script.
@6153calme wow you see you don't even know who is Martin Luther? I nver say anything the quote is not mine but the Father of your Protestting against the RCC.
I am done with you, if you want to know the truth 100% about Jesus only and authentic church name The Roman Catholic Church go to Catholic dot come EWTN or Coming Home Network (Google em)
DO NOT BE AFRAID AN EDUCATED PROTESTANT DOES NOT ALWAYS CONVERT TO CATHOLICISM! like C.S. LEWIS
@junmeskie I C U R pardon my french as unlearnd n readng a respnse as u r n dividg Word -Truth, nevr said quote frm U. I need NOT google things biblical hav A bible 4 that trying 2 help u 2 c Cathlcsm has ZERO 2 DO W/GOD/BIBLE OTHR THN LETNG BIBLE EXPOSE THEM AS FALSE RELG. I kno the truth abt Rom Cath church, I kno is not biblical how can it b they were the 1's persecuting Christians refused to excpt Christianity. It's been good chatng w/ya the truth always runs away those who refus 2 xcpt it.
@junmeskie When did it becom a Cath book? We get the bible thru the providence of God, thru His inspired writrs 2 Tim 4:12-14, 2 Pet 1:20,21 No Cath existd when the bible was writtn. All they did was break down n2 book, chapt, vs what was already writn by God's inspired writrs of which NO CATH IS. NO 1st cent church cam out of Cath it is the other way around. No Cath church existd during the 1st cent of the creatn of church. They came some 600 yrs latr.
@junmeskie None of the Epistles or any other part of the bible was writn 2 Catholics can u not tell by what their (Cath) relig practices R, they disagree w/the entire apostle's doctrine.
@junmeskie The 12 pos othr disct that companied w/Jc were the 1s added 2 n Acts 2:41.HERE IS THE END ALL ABT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BEING THE CHURCH OF CHRIST DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BEGIN IN JERUSALEM? LUKE 24:46-48 says that is where it began. Were not the disciples told to tarry there LUKE 24:48-50? U tlk alot quote script that has nothng 2 do w/what u r sayng COME ON BACK IT UP W/SCRIPT THAT SUPPORTS WHAT U BELIEVE. Just bec u quote/say does not mean rt. Giv bk chap vrs that Cath n bible.
@6153calme THIS S #1 PROBLEMS w PROTS CUS u & THEY r TOO IGNORANT ABOUT: CHRISTIAN, BIBLE HISTORIES. ALL U READ r "ANTI-CATHOLIC BOOKS" & d BIBLE HAS BEEN DISTORTED (like KJV) OVER 38,000 TIMES.
Until u r HONEST 2 JESUS u will never get d TRUTH of His Church.
CATHOLICS HAS FOUR QUALITIES: 1) FAITH Yep we have that! + Good works Matthew 25:34 to 40 2) REASONS of what & why WE BELIEVE Protestants just believed in the bible alone Burger King Christianity "Have it your way" is NOT biblical 3) SCRIPTURES The bible is a Catholic book; the Vulgate (385 AD) is the first bible. 4) APOSTLES SACRED Traditions It can trace back it's Traditions all the way to the apostles Acts 2:42, 2 Timothy 2:2, etc. ==== THE BIBLE + CHURCH HISTORY = 100% TRUTH ====
@junmeskie Stone did not start any "new denom." All those of the RESTORATION MVNT did was TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE BOOK. Same as Hezekiah did n OT 2 Kings. He did not start a new relig he took Judah back 2 the BOOK & began 2 do what God estab undr Moses. That is called Restrtion. STone went back 2 BOOK & put us back on pages God wants us 2 b on. Do not hav a new doctrine. The Cath church did not start in AD 33 c of Christ did Act 2, Rom 16:16. Where n Bible do u read of any Cathlcs?
@6153calme Constantine tried to unite the Romans counci-Nicea but could not due to their diversity. No one relig would do. They Romans rej Christian beliefs/practices. The Romans mixed their own pagan beliefs w/Christianity. That does not make a Christian mentioned in the bible. That makes a Roman Catholic.
lol very convincing to ignorant people and the scriptures provided is nicely distorted too.
First of all if Christians believed that Jesus is the son of God he too will be "infallible" no mistakes cus he is perfect.
If Jesus started a church (Matthew 16:18) his church NEED NO RESTORATION (only fools believe that) and his church will be here with us until his return for he is God.
The word Catholic is in the bible in verse Matt. 28:1920 all nations meaning universal (Catholic in Greek)
it's convincing becaus it is true. I care not what "so called Christians" believe, I care what the bible says Christ is INFALLIBLE. Think c of Christ needed no restortn how many ppl do u know r mem of the NT coC? Most nevr heard of it, Y becaus for centuries we were caught up in denom. Stone etc did exactly what Hezekiah did in 2 Chro 29-32 my bad 4 prev script err. Hezekiah took Judah back 2 BOOK undr Moses. He restred their worshp of God. Not start a new relig. Try all u want Cath not there.
In June 2001 There were 33,820* PROTESTant Denominations. Every week 5+ new denominations started per *Oxford World Encyclopedia ~ June 2001 (A Protestant Pub.)
The church (not the Bible) is the Bulwark & the Pillar of Truth: 1Timothy 3:15
@junmeskie you need to recheck Jesus said, Upon this rock I will build my CHURCH, not churches. That rock was not Peter, that rock was Jesus, it was based upon the confession that Peter made that Jesus was the Christ the son of the living God. NOT upon Peter.
@6153calme You really have to re-read the whole Chapter to understand what Jesus was saying to Peter.
Infact Peter (rock) is not even a name Jesus changed Simon name to Rock for a reason
Jesus is the BUILDER he is laying his foundation into a rock
THE BUILDER CANNOT BE THE SAME AS FOUNDATION
it just don't make sense.
READ THE VERSE LITERALLY there is NO "CONFESSION" mentioned in this chapter this is a made-up thing by Protesters (so called Reformer) since they cannot agree w/ RCC.
@junmeskie No Confession, can u not read, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Not only is this a confesn but a True Fact, some believed JC 2b dead prophet etc, others worshp idols. Peter hits the nail on the head w/this confsn.Think UR misng the point not a literal rock. Not n2 a rock on solid ground meang tried & true (refined) this ROCK is Jesus. Buildr/Makr is Christ himself he said bld my Church.
@6153calme THE BIBLICAL VERSES ON: Confession of Sin To A Priest
"That you may know that the Son of Man has the power to forgive sin..." (Mt. 9:6; Mk 2:7-10; Lk 5:21-24).
He communicated this authority to His Apostles on Easter night, "Whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain they are retained" (Jn 20:19-23).
In this way He gave the Apostles the power to give "Peace" (v.21), which is nothing less than the reconciliation of man with God.
@junmeskie Dude I'm not sayng this 2b facetious u must b biblically illiterate, The verses U quote r2 JC, not some man-made priest as n Catholic faith. N the coC NT church confession r2b made 2 one another Jas 5:16, Prayer is 2b in the name of JC to the Father Jhn 16:23-25, Rom 8:25-27. N the vs' u quote JC was still on Earth, NT began after His death.
@junmeskie Jn 20:19-25 does not mean a priest or Apostles can 4give sins. This is part of the bind & loose comsn givn 2 Peter/rest of apostles keys 2 kingdm. Not sayng go n2 some booth a tell some man ur sins & some man can 4gv u. God recon man w/God thru JC not by givng Apostles the pwr but by JC dying on the cross u r recon when u obey Col 1:20-22. Vs 21 says nothng abt apstles havng pwr 2 giv peace, it's a Goodbye Peace as JC will not b seen of them again. I C U kno not how2 rtly div Word.
@6153calme Catholics go to confessions 2 ways 1) by going to God directly sample of this is the Lord's Prayer (Our Father) and also to his priests he gave them power to absolves our sins he is using the priests mouth piece when we go to confession we believed that we are confessing our sins directly to God himself, he is using his priests as his mouth piece when priests gave us advice this is Jesus talking to you! No matter if that priest (man) is a sinner or not, it does not affect God's power.
@junmeskie NT Christns conf their sins 2 each othe Js 5:15-17 & pray not any man-made priest. JC is our HP. God gav NO man not even His Apostles pwr to abslve any1s sins. Acts 5:30-32. U believ U R confsng ur sins 2 God dirctly does not mean u r. There is NO man betw God & man excpt JC 1 Tim 2:5-7. So U C U R not confsng ur sins 2 God by ur priest ur priest is not the mediator.
@junmeskie Our Father not Lord's prayr a discpl prayr Mat 6:8-10, Lord's prayr n Jn17. Y pray 4 kingdm 2 come it has already come Mat 26:28-30, kingdom is the church Mat 16:27-28, Acts 2. U think u can conf 2 a sinner, a sinner does not have a prayr 2 pray 4 U Jn 9:31. Nothing /no 1 affects God's pwr HE 1 & only Sovereign. God's priest 2day NT church r Christians 1 Pet 2:8-10, our HP is JC. U can't even b a ST in Cath faith unless they choose u aftr death. Can't fnd that pract n bible eithr.
@junmeskie Eph 2:19-21 foundtn of the Apostles, Profits JC Chief cornstne. I don't see anything made up by any man in Mat 16:13-18 or in any part of the bible. That is what u believe. Who said the builder/fndatn were the same? Builder/Maker=JC he said upon this rock I will build. To whom does the persn pronoun I refer? The name Simon Peter really is not what is important, what is, is his confesn. Christ is the Rock , a tried foundtn. Acts 4:11,1Cor 10:4,1 Pet 2:7-9 need I say/quote more?
@6153calme Reading a book that originally came from the Catholic Church? What you have my brother in Christ is a distorted bible that preaches you to hate anyone that doesn't agree with your own delusional interpretation.
The great commission by Christ was to preach not to write - Matthew 28:19-20
Teaching them to observe ALL things whatsoever I have commanded you ~ Matthew 28:19-20
@junmeskie I don't know what book u r talkng abt that came frm Cath. I have no distortd view of anythng. U hav that if you think the bible came from the Cath church. I hate no one who disagrees with my view of anything, I hav no view. I speak where the bible speaks, am silent where the bible is silent call bible things by bible names do bible things the bible way. If u think there is 1 Cath in the bible u my friend hav the distorted view.
SEARCH FOR HIS CHURCH IF YOU BELIEVED JESUS IS GOD, HIS CHURCH WILL STILL BE HERE WITH US UNTIL HIS RETURN do not be afraid
The word Catholic is in the bible = in verse Matt. 28:1920 ".. all nations" meaning universal (Catholic in Greek)
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all."~ Martin Luther THE FATHER OF PROTESTanism
One day I believe God will remove this horrible memory from my mind about this disintegrating man made cult religion - ICOC. I am now happy I got through this "valley of death" which destroyed so many loved ones' lives in the Philippines.
Now I am living a victorious life in the one true Church of God. I don't mean to offend you but if you love God and your loved ones brothers, sisters seek the Truth and get out of this church of Satan. Peace
Some people have compared finding this fellowship with winning the lottery. Please remember, The Bible says demons will masquerade as angels of light; No matter what the name of a church is or what version of the bible they prefer. Anyways, sorry you had such a terrible experience and I hope you the best.
@brodrodough The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
@brodrodough I had a bad experience also and I am certain there are millions of others who have too....legalism and spiritual abuse needs to be shut down....and there is no argument against that!! Merry Christmas and God bless you
@brodrodough I had a bad experience also and I am certain there are millions of others who have too....legalism and spiritual abuse needs to be shut down....and there is no argument against that!! Merry Christmas and God bless you
Just to set the record straight - Everything that supersamsonite says is a LIE. It is a great church that does not water down the faith to a Sunday only - hypocritical church. I defy Mr supersamsonite to detail his accusations
@supersamsonite You say. That the Catholic Church is a man made religion indeed God became Man Jesus.God uses men to reach his peopleThe apostles are men .They are not Gods
Its only through man that we know of Jesus
And
Its only through the Catholic Church that you know of Jesus
"He who steeps himself in history, ceases to be a Protestant." ~ John Newman, Anglican Bishop who convert to the Catholic Church,
@supersamsonite to brodrodough....please touch base with me at ilinv2010@gmail.com....I am writing a book about my 2 year experience with the ICOC....my memory is a nightmare also......i will discuss more in private but I will guarantee that there are many more people out there and I want to write about this for all the world to see what is being allowed to exist in our society.....
@supersamsonite to brodrodough....please touch base with me at ilinv2010@gmail.com....I am writing a book about my 2 year experience with the ICOC....my memory is a nightmare also......i will discuss more in private but I will guarantee that there are many more people out there and I want to write about this for all the world to see what is being allowed to exist in our society.....
@supersamsonite to brodrodough....please touch base with me at ilinv2010@gmail.com....I am writing a book about my 2 year experience with the ICOC....my memory is a nightmare also......i will discuss more in private but I will guarantee that there are many more people out there and I want to write about this for all the world to see what is being allowed to exist in our society.....
I don't know what kinda church this is but it aint the Church of Christ..and if it is SHAME ON YALL for having the Christmas trees and santa hats. This is definetely not a Church of Christ in Tennessee,Arkansas,Oklahoma, or Texas...we know better!
@noonefollows Iday kay ignorant man kamo importante nga mahibaro ka han history ng Kristiano. The founder who started your church is not Jesus read all my post. IF WE BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD HE MUST BE INFALLIBLE WITH AN INFALLIBLE CHURCH. NO NEED FOR REFORMATION, CORRECTIONS FOR JESUS IS PERFECTO 100%
OMG! Who dug this up from the vault? I was a member of this movement once upon a time.. well before the boogie man got me eventually :) What city was this taped? Boston? NY, LA? Looks like it was around 1990judging by the way people are dressed. Fascinating and creepy at the same time!
That is so sad, The bible commands us to sing as a form of praise and honor God and NO one was into the singing. I hope that all is well with that particular church.
@junmeskie No 1 needs a statue to remind them of God, the bible IS for that. We BOW to NO person not even angels Acts 10:25-27, Mat 4:9, Col 2:16-19. Kissng popes hnd not a sign of respct they r payng homage to him, they r n AWE of him. This kind of awe is reservd 4 JC only. Not the same as bowng 4 some dignitary I think we all know this. JC told Mary/Joseph their places in Luke 2:48-50. They R TOO WRSHIPNG THEM. They say, HAIL MARYS THAT=WRSHIP, ask him/pope 2 4giv sins that=wrshp.
@6153calme Catholics imitate Jesus in honoring his n our loving mother Mary, we are very grateful for her YES of Jesus in her womb a tabernacle made sinless immaculate n pure worthy of God's only son Jesus.
In order to understand the meaning of "co-mediatrix" or "co-redemptrix", you MUST understand the meaning of the prefix "co". It does NOT mean equal. It simply means "part- of".
@6153calme When Protestants complain about these terms, they generally mistakenly assume that they mean "equal to". This is simply not the case.
The term "co-redemptrix", then, would simply mean that Mary played a role in our salvation...which she clearly did. It was her "yes" that allowed Jesus to be born among us. This is the role she played.
Mother & Son works together for our salvation This is the reason Jesus called his mother "woman" referring to Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12
@junmeskie I can't even reply to this as I have no idea of what u r talking abt. All I know is what Job said. I don't know what co-redemptrix is, it is not in any script I have read. Mary did not allow Jesus to be born, God did she was just vessel He chose, her role ended after Jesus was born & became of age. Mother has zero 2 do w/our salvation. God cleared that up on the Mt, transfig Mat 17, this is my beloved Son hear ye him.
@junmeskie calling her MS Teresa Mother is the same thing that is undeserved awe Mat 23:9. Job calls them FLATTERING TITLES Job 32:21. She is not a hero in heaven she is a mere persn just as u r. Again this type of AWE/RESPECT IS RESERVED FOR ONE MAN JESUS CHRIST PS 111.9. GOD told the Israelites about those images. How can these be images of God anyway when they have never seen HIS shape or heard HIS voice John 5:38. We all kno the Cath hav more than respct 4 their pope. They think he is a god.
POPE'S AUTHORITY = Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peters decisions would be binding in heaven. He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Matt. 18:18), but only Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus absence.
If u think it mattrs how oft u help the needy just that u do. Think all u have 2 do is be good to b a Christian, Cornelius Acts 10 would diff. Pope has nvr had any AUTHORITY we know he did not get it from JC. He is not even an apostle, they were chosen and given auth by JC. 1Thes 5:21 Prove to me Peter was ever called a pope. Can't do it. He was married Mat 8:14, 1 Cor 9:5. Nevr heard of a married pope. God chose NO POPE.
God chose NO POPE. He chose all of the apostles & gave them AUTHORITY to do his will, not any pope. They popes did not exist until AD 606 when Boniface III declared himself as the univ pope. Who gave him the authority. Mattr of fact Cath church did not start in Jerusalem but in Rome. I told u Rome refusd to excpt the Bible as it is but MIXED their own belief/practs with Christianity & that is how we have the Cath church. I knw Peter was nevr a pope nevr b called Holy Rev anything Mat 23:8-10.
@6153calme POPE & AUTHORITY Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) n promised that Peters decisions would be binding in heaven.
He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Catholic Bishops) (Matt. 18:18), but only Pope Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus absence.
"I will place the key of the House of David on his shoulder; when he opens, no one shall shut, when he shuts, no one shall open" ~ Isaiah 22:22
@junmeskie as I previously stated no pope was givn any auth by God, Peter nevr was, nevr will be a Pope. The term was nevr even heard at the establishmnt of the coChrist day of Penta AD 33. The term pope was coined by Boniface 111 in 606AD when he termed himself universal Pope. Search all u want I don't care what Catholic means it is NOT THERE. No that is not it in Isaiah. Could not giv pwr 2 Cath Bishops, biblical bishops r 2b married 2Tim, so we know Cath bis. were givn no pwer by JC/God
@junmeskie I need no a vid on who started your/my church as I have no church. The church I am a mem of belngs 2 Christ hence the name, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. I am honst to JC u need to be honst 2 urslf & admit that the Cath church it's doctrne/pract r NOT N bible was NOT founded by JC flws not the apostles doctrine. Admit the hqtrs of the Catholic church is locatd at Vatican gets auth frm Vat flws Vat rules. The hqtrs of the church of Christ r n HEavn, flws bible get auth frm Bible.
@junmeskie Jesus is shepherd, not Protestants whomever they r. no 1 hates any pope it just not biblical. Jesus know whom he chose to feed the church of God. And it was not any Protestants.
6. This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
7. For there are three that testify:
8. the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
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You're all going to hell. According to Church of Christ teachings, you're only supposed to sing when making music in churches. Clapping will send you straight to hell. Hypocrites!
if that be the case...what about the apostle Paul and his companion Silas. Precious heart, I emplore you Study,Study,Study,pray without ceasing,Seek the face of God and understanding.
What on earth? That singing was pathetic. I seems like nobody there actualy loves God. IS there anybody with an honest heart anymore that will seek GOds will and not there own?
paden981 1 year ago
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to brodrodough....please touch base with me at ilinv2010@gmail.com....I am writing a book about my 2 year experience with the ICOC....my memory is a nightmare also......i will discuss more in private but I will guarantee that there are many more people out there and I want to write about this for all the world to see what is being allowed to exist in our society.....
MrTommyT1000 1 year ago
Sad bunch of mindless converts. Find a real church that truly loves and supports you, not one that just wants your money and tells you what to think.
lovinglife816 1 year ago
Where's the scripture for clapping?
Darrell1019 1 year ago
@Darrell1019 It's right after the verse that says you can sit or stand during the singing.
50heaven 7 months ago
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@50heaven "Book, chapter and verse".
Darrell1019 7 months ago
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The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
kelliemcclellan 1 year ago
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The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
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The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
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The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
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The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
kelliemcclellan 1 year ago
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kelliemcclellan 1 year ago
Religion, nothing else but mind control and mental slavery.
olh1152 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 14
Notice too how he said, "on this rock I will build my church". Compare that to the parable of the wise man, who built his house on rock. Matthew 7:24-27
Matthew 7:24-24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
If the Catholic Church isn't correct and all other churches broke away from the Catholics which church is correct?
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie The greek word [petra] is diffrent from [petros] petra is 'this rock' petros is peter, if he refered to peter he would have used the same word.
He refered to the faith of peter.
The catholic Church is wrong in many practices if you wish to discuss it pleas pm
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Smashmouthj 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 13
The Catholic Church is not our church, or the Pope's church. It is Christ's church. He is the builder, not men.
Sure he used the apostles to spread the message and develop the church, but as he said, he built it and it is his church.
He is the master builder and master architect and the owner.
junmeskie 1 year ago
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junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 11
Today he guides us through his Catholic Church
Not only did he make this promise, we have Jesus' assurance that he is the one who is doing the building. Notice when he made this promise he said,
"...I will build my church..."
He didn't say that Peter would build a church or even that Peter would build Jesus' church.
He said "...I will build my church... "
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 10
If you are a Roman Catholic, you know that Jesus Christ the Son of God Acts 2, I Tim. 3:15 founded your religion in the year 33 with Peter as its first Pope Matthew 16:18-19, John 21:15-17 and that it has not changed since that time.
Even today, the above-enumerated facts are still undeniable.
He guided the Israelites on their escape from Egypt by giving them a pillar of fire to light their way across the dark wilderness (Exod. 13:21).
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie
Matthew 16:18 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Where in this verse can we find that Jesus Christ started the Roman Catholic Church & Simon Peter was the first pope?
supersamsonite 1 year ago
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junmeskie 1 year ago
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@supersamsonite Not everything is in the Bible John 21:25 Please read "The Faith of the Early Fathers" (Apostolic Fathers) by William A. Jurgens.
It was St. Ignatius of Antioch (now Syria) who called the early Christians "Katholikos" 110 years after Jesus resurrections.
Who is Fr. Martin Luther OSA?
Without knowing the Christian true history you don't know the truth?
If the Catholic isn't correct and all other Churches broke away from the Catholic Church. Which church is the correct one?
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 9
If you are Eastern Orthodox - due to authority issue The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in the year 1054.
Read Matthew 16:19, 18: 18 / John 21:15, 16, 17 you share the validity of the 7 Sacraments with Rome.
Watch My Video
Who Started Your Church?
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 8.
If you are Jehovahs Witness - T. Russell (1852- 1916) founded your movement. As a teenager he rejected his Presbyterian roots, joined a more liberal Congregational Church, and then left this group as well. He denied the deity of Christ and the biblical teachings on hell and eternal punishment. Russell had no formal Bible training.
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 7
If you are Seventh Day Adventist - Ellen G. White founded your religion 1844, though she was a follower of one William Miller of New York, who propounded much of what Mrs. White later adopted for her religion.
If you worship with the Salvation Army - your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are Christian Scientist - Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy founded your religion in 1879
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 6
If you are Mormon (Latter Day Saints) - Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y. in 1829.
If you are Church of Christ - The New Light Christian Church, led by former Presbyterian minister Barron Warren Stone; and the Reformed Baptist, led by Alexander Campbell (who also established the Disciples of Christ), also a former Presbyterian. Combined their churches into one in 1836 and called it Church of Christ
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 5
If you are a Mennonites - The Mennonites are named after Menno Simons Founded in the 16th century. Amish began as a split-off sect of the Swiss Mennonites during the late 17th century your founder is Jacob Amman.
If you are a Baptist - you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, launched in Amsterdam in 1606.
If you are a Methodist - your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 4
If you are Presbyterian - John Knox who studied under Luther started your church in Scotland, in the year 1560.
If you are a Congregationalist - your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are a Protestant Episcopalian - your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 3
If you are Anabaptists - Nicholas Storch, a weaver (d. 1525) and Thomas Münzer, a Lutheran preacher (c. 1490-1525), together with the other self-styled "Prophets of Zwickau" started your sect in Saxony, Germany in 1521.
If you belong to the Church of England - King Henry VIII founded your religion in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED Part 2
Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus.
Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church.
(Most of today's Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)
junmeskie 1 year ago
WHO STARTED YOUR CHURCH?
Part 1
Was it started by one of the Apostles? Where did your church begin? Did it begin in the Holy Land? Did it even begin in a place that is mentioned in the Bible? Was it even on the same continent? When did your church begin? Did it start in Biblical times? Was it even started in the first millennium?
For many answers to these questions is a relatively with a basic search of history.
junmeskie 1 year ago
I hate there guys...The ICOC sheep
miamicunarder 1 year ago
I you really want the truth and to set yourself free search: The 1st Council of Nicaea 325 A.D.: The Council That Created Jesus, Part 1
Right here on YouTube
maestrooncue 2 years ago
First let us read the history of the Church of Christ
The Catholic Church (started in 33 by Jesus himself) was originally called (some still called it) the Church of Christ in the year 107 Ignatius of Antioch called the Early Christians "Katholikos" Universal or All Nations (Matthew 28:19-20)
In 1836 Warren Stone and Alexander name thier new denomination "Church of Christ" to decieve people and make ppl to believe that it's Jesus church?
Most of C of C doctrine are copied from the RCC
junmeskie 2 years ago
"The Catholic Church (started in 33 by Jesus himself)"....
NO WAY!!!
Jesus Christ hove nothing to do with the creation of the Roman Catholic Church or any church that came or defected from it!
Where in the Bible can we find Jesus Christ naming his church "Roman Catholic Church" ?
The name of Jesus' church is in the Bible but not "Roman Catholic Church"
supersamsonite 2 years ago
The term catholic means universal. When used in reference to the Church that Jesus founded, it has a twofold meaning.
One being that the Church exists everywhere that Christ Jesus is. Where He is present, His Church is made present.
The other meaning is that Jesus instituted His Church and then issued the command that His Church be sent to the entire human race.
With this said, it can be seen that the concept of a catholic or universal Church is well-founded in Scripture,
junmeskie 2 years ago
With this said, it can be seen that the concept of a catholic or universal (nations) Church is well-founded in Scripture, (Matt 28:19-20)
though the actual term was not ascribed to the Church of Christ until later.
The first recorded, non-biblical use of the term was by Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrneans, written circa 110 A.D. (chapter 8, verse 2).
The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:1920, Rev. 5:910)
JESUS IS INFALLIBLE (Matt. 16:18) w/ AN INFALLIBLE CHURCH -period-
junmeskie 2 years ago
@junmeskie @junmeskie U keep saying that Cath n bible, not N/Mat 28:19,20. It is impos that JC refers to Cath when He said upon this rock I will bld my church or when the cofC came 2 fruition in Acts 2 THEY DID NOT EXIST. The only 1 was the cofC, u had Saduccees, Pharisees, Judaism, & Paul put them 2 rest when he said, he profited N Jews not GODS relign Gal 1:12-16, NO CATH, CARE NOT WHAT CATH MEANS SEARCH TIL U R BLUE N THE FACE IT IS NOT THERE.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CAN PROVE THAT THEY HAVE AUTHENTIC lineage of APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION traced back from Saint Peter (Our 1st Papa)
The role of APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION in preserving true doctrine is illustrated in the Bible. TO PROTECT HIS TEACHING FROM THESE HERETICS
Go watch my video on this topic:
"Apostolic Succession"
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie There is/was no Apostolic successn aft all apostles died there were no more chosen only JC could choose apostles w/his JC death w/excpt of Paul as 1 born out of due seasn there were no more chsn 1 Cor 15:7-9. I don't kno what U actually mean by Apost Succsn. I kno there CAN'T b any Apostles 2day Y bec No 1 2day has companied w/JC /seen 1 Cor 9:1-3: Acts 1:15-22. These a qualificatn 4 Apostlshp chsn by Lord Acts 1:24. NO APOSTOLIC SUCCSN WHATEVR IT MEANS.
6153calme 1 year ago
@junmeskie Cath cam n2 exist 600 yrs latr. Is not the church that is univ, tho all who obey r part of the coC. It is not so called "univ" bec u cant come n the way U want 2 LORD HAS 2 ADD U 2 IT ACT 2:47 UR only added if U come n the way Lord comnds. It is the GRACE OF GOD that is univ Tit 2:10-12. Not univ bec it belngs 2 God alone. UR rt n your comet abt Cath church as a concpt, concpt of some man UR also rt univ part bec it does not, has not, cannot, will never belong to God.
6153calme 1 year ago
@junmeskie U R wrong n ur comnt abt JC institing His church, & then the comnd that it b sent 2 human race. The proph the church came b4 the church came n2 exist Isa 2:1-3, Jer 31:30-35, Mat 16:18. Does not exist evrywhr JC is 4 he is omnipotent, church exist where 2 /3 r gathr n His name Mat 18:19-21. U seem 2 thnk th church is bldg not is a grp called out hence Act 2:14,41 who do u thnk THEM ref 2? V14 Pet w/11othrs were add 2 these 12 they r set n 1 Cor 12:27-29.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme YEP indeed the Catholic Church is always WRONG lol
When they are the the one who gave us the BIBLE (that you guys keep DISTORTING) read the TRUE HISTORY
Go Google em
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists (Pope) that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all." ~ Martin Luther
Fr. Martin Luther O.S.A - The Father of The Protestantism) excommunicated by Pope Leo
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie What do u mean til I am honest, seem Like I have been the 1 givig l book, chap, & verse u R just talking w/o biblical or man given history 2 back up anything u r saying. We r not compelled 2 concede anything of this quote U quote we receivd nothng from any papist the bible say Holy men of God spake as THEY were moved 2 Pet 1:20,21 not any papist .Eph 3:4-6. U my friend need to start backing it up w/some Script.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme wow you see you don't even know who is Martin Luther? I nver say anything the quote is not mine but the Father of your Protestting against the RCC.
I am done with you, if you want to know the truth 100% about Jesus only and authentic church name The Roman Catholic Church go to Catholic dot come EWTN or Coming Home Network (Google em)
DO NOT BE AFRAID AN EDUCATED PROTESTANT DOES NOT ALWAYS CONVERT TO CATHOLICISM! like C.S. LEWIS
Peace and God Bless You and your family!
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie I C U R pardon my french as unlearnd n readng a respnse as u r n dividg Word -Truth, nevr said quote frm U. I need NOT google things biblical hav A bible 4 that trying 2 help u 2 c Cathlcsm has ZERO 2 DO W/GOD/BIBLE OTHR THN LETNG BIBLE EXPOSE THEM AS FALSE RELG. I kno the truth abt Rom Cath church, I kno is not biblical how can it b they were the 1's persecuting Christians refused to excpt Christianity. It's been good chatng w/ya the truth always runs away those who refus 2 xcpt it.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme DO YOU KNOW THAT THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK?
THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK intended for Catholics NOT TO the protesters
READ BIBLE HISTORY
WHO COMPILED THESE SCROLLS AND PUT THEM IN ONE BOOK (BIBLIA)
Who selected & put the 27 Books in the New Testament together for the New Testament and added the Chapters & Verses?
And canonized the Bible and called them inspired words of God.
THE CHURCH CAME FIRST (Matt. 16:18) The Bible came out of the Catholic Church READ 1Timothy 3:15
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie When did it becom a Cath book? We get the bible thru the providence of God, thru His inspired writrs 2 Tim 4:12-14, 2 Pet 1:20,21 No Cath existd when the bible was writtn. All they did was break down n2 book, chapt, vs what was already writn by God's inspired writrs of which NO CATH IS. NO 1st cent church cam out of Cath it is the other way around. No Cath church existd during the 1st cent of the creatn of church. They came some 600 yrs latr.
6153calme 1 year ago
@junmeskie None of the Epistles or any other part of the bible was writn 2 Catholics can u not tell by what their (Cath) relig practices R, they disagree w/the entire apostle's doctrine.
6153calme 1 year ago
@junmeskie The 12 pos othr disct that companied w/Jc were the 1s added 2 n Acts 2:41.HERE IS THE END ALL ABT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BEING THE CHURCH OF CHRIST DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BEGIN IN JERUSALEM? LUKE 24:46-48 says that is where it began. Were not the disciples told to tarry there LUKE 24:48-50? U tlk alot quote script that has nothng 2 do w/what u r sayng COME ON BACK IT UP W/SCRIPT THAT SUPPORTS WHAT U BELIEVE. Just bec u quote/say does not mean rt. Giv bk chap vrs that Cath n bible.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme THIS S #1 PROBLEMS w PROTS CUS u & THEY r TOO IGNORANT ABOUT: CHRISTIAN, BIBLE HISTORIES. ALL U READ r "ANTI-CATHOLIC BOOKS" & d BIBLE HAS BEEN DISTORTED (like KJV) OVER 38,000 TIMES.
Until u r HONEST 2 JESUS u will never get d TRUTH of His Church.
junmeskie 1 year ago
junmeskie 2 years ago
@supersamsonite In Matthew 16:18 - Jesus Did Not Say "Peter Upon This Rock I will Build My CHURCHES"
The Early Christians (1st Century) were called Katholikos by St. Ignatius of Antioch 107 years later after Jesus Resurrection.
Watch My Video:
"Who Started Your Church?"
If the catholic church isn't correct and all other churches broke away from the catholics. which church is correct?
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie Stone did not start any "new denom." All those of the RESTORATION MVNT did was TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE BOOK. Same as Hezekiah did n OT 2 Kings. He did not start a new relig he took Judah back 2 the BOOK & began 2 do what God estab undr Moses. That is called Restrtion. STone went back 2 BOOK & put us back on pages God wants us 2 b on. Do not hav a new doctrine. The Cath church did not start in AD 33 c of Christ did Act 2, Rom 16:16. Where n Bible do u read of any Cathlcs?
6153calme 2 years ago
@6153calme Constantine tried to unite the Romans counci-Nicea but could not due to their diversity. No one relig would do. They Romans rej Christian beliefs/practices. The Romans mixed their own pagan beliefs w/Christianity. That does not make a Christian mentioned in the bible. That makes a Roman Catholic.
6153calme 2 years ago
lol very convincing to ignorant people and the scriptures provided is nicely distorted too.
First of all if Christians believed that Jesus is the son of God he too will be "infallible" no mistakes cus he is perfect.
If Jesus started a church (Matthew 16:18) his church NEED NO RESTORATION (only fools believe that) and his church will be here with us until his return for he is God.
The word Catholic is in the bible in verse Matt. 28:1920 all nations meaning universal (Catholic in Greek)
junmeskie 2 years ago
it's convincing becaus it is true. I care not what "so called Christians" believe, I care what the bible says Christ is INFALLIBLE. Think c of Christ needed no restortn how many ppl do u know r mem of the NT coC? Most nevr heard of it, Y becaus for centuries we were caught up in denom. Stone etc did exactly what Hezekiah did in 2 Chro 29-32 my bad 4 prev script err. Hezekiah took Judah back 2 BOOK undr Moses. He restred their worshp of God. Not start a new relig. Try all u want Cath not there.
6153calme 2 years ago
@6153calme In Matthew 16:18 Jesus Did Not Say:
"Peter Upon This Rock I will Build My CHURCHES"
In June 2001 There were 33,820* PROTESTant Denominations. Every week 5+ new denominations started per *Oxford World Encyclopedia ~ June 2001 (A Protestant Pub.)
The church (not the Bible) is the Bulwark & the Pillar of Truth: 1Timothy 3:15
Not everything is in the Bible READ John 21:25
Paul speaks of oral tradition as authoritative - 2 Thess. 2:15, 2 Tim. 2:2, 1 Cor. 11:2, 1 Thess. 2:13
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie you need to recheck Jesus said, Upon this rock I will build my CHURCH, not churches. That rock was not Peter, that rock was Jesus, it was based upon the confession that Peter made that Jesus was the Christ the son of the living God. NOT upon Peter.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme You really have to re-read the whole Chapter to understand what Jesus was saying to Peter.
Infact Peter (rock) is not even a name Jesus changed Simon name to Rock for a reason
Jesus is the BUILDER he is laying his foundation into a rock
THE BUILDER CANNOT BE THE SAME AS FOUNDATION
it just don't make sense.
READ THE VERSE LITERALLY there is NO "CONFESSION" mentioned in this chapter this is a made-up thing by Protesters (so called Reformer) since they cannot agree w/ RCC.
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie No Confession, can u not read, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Not only is this a confesn but a True Fact, some believed JC 2b dead prophet etc, others worshp idols. Peter hits the nail on the head w/this confsn.Think UR misng the point not a literal rock. Not n2 a rock on solid ground meang tried & true (refined) this ROCK is Jesus. Buildr/Makr is Christ himself he said bld my Church.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme THE BIBLICAL VERSES ON: Confession of Sin To A Priest
"That you may know that the Son of Man has the power to forgive sin..." (Mt. 9:6; Mk 2:7-10; Lk 5:21-24).
He communicated this authority to His Apostles on Easter night, "Whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain they are retained" (Jn 20:19-23).
In this way He gave the Apostles the power to give "Peace" (v.21), which is nothing less than the reconciliation of man with God.
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie Dude I'm not sayng this 2b facetious u must b biblically illiterate, The verses U quote r2 JC, not some man-made priest as n Catholic faith. N the coC NT church confession r2b made 2 one another Jas 5:16, Prayer is 2b in the name of JC to the Father Jhn 16:23-25, Rom 8:25-27. N the vs' u quote JC was still on Earth, NT began after His death.
6153calme 1 year ago
@junmeskie Jn 20:19-25 does not mean a priest or Apostles can 4give sins. This is part of the bind & loose comsn givn 2 Peter/rest of apostles keys 2 kingdm. Not sayng go n2 some booth a tell some man ur sins & some man can 4gv u. God recon man w/God thru JC not by givng Apostles the pwr but by JC dying on the cross u r recon when u obey Col 1:20-22. Vs 21 says nothng abt apstles havng pwr 2 giv peace, it's a Goodbye Peace as JC will not b seen of them again. I C U kno not how2 rtly div Word.
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme Catholics go to confessions 2 ways 1) by going to God directly sample of this is the Lord's Prayer (Our Father) and also to his priests he gave them power to absolves our sins he is using the priests mouth piece when we go to confession we believed that we are confessing our sins directly to God himself, he is using his priests as his mouth piece when priests gave us advice this is Jesus talking to you! No matter if that priest (man) is a sinner or not, it does not affect God's power.
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie NT Christns conf their sins 2 each othe Js 5:15-17 & pray not any man-made priest. JC is our HP. God gav NO man not even His Apostles pwr to abslve any1s sins. Acts 5:30-32. U believ U R confsng ur sins 2 God dirctly does not mean u r. There is NO man betw God & man excpt JC 1 Tim 2:5-7. So U C U R not confsng ur sins 2 God by ur priest ur priest is not the mediator.
6153calme 1 year ago
@junmeskie Our Father not Lord's prayr a discpl prayr Mat 6:8-10, Lord's prayr n Jn17. Y pray 4 kingdm 2 come it has already come Mat 26:28-30, kingdom is the church Mat 16:27-28, Acts 2. U think u can conf 2 a sinner, a sinner does not have a prayr 2 pray 4 U Jn 9:31. Nothing /no 1 affects God's pwr HE 1 & only Sovereign. God's priest 2day NT church r Christians 1 Pet 2:8-10, our HP is JC. U can't even b a ST in Cath faith unless they choose u aftr death. Can't fnd that pract n bible eithr.
6153calme 1 year ago
@junmeskie Eph 2:19-21 foundtn of the Apostles, Profits JC Chief cornstne. I don't see anything made up by any man in Mat 16:13-18 or in any part of the bible. That is what u believe. Who said the builder/fndatn were the same? Builder/Maker=JC he said upon this rock I will build. To whom does the persn pronoun I refer? The name Simon Peter really is not what is important, what is, is his confesn. Christ is the Rock , a tried foundtn. Acts 4:11,1Cor 10:4,1 Pet 2:7-9 need I say/quote more?
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme Reading a book that originally came from the Catholic Church? What you have my brother in Christ is a distorted bible that preaches you to hate anyone that doesn't agree with your own delusional interpretation.
The great commission by Christ was to preach not to write - Matthew 28:19-20
Teaching them to observe ALL things whatsoever I have commanded you ~ Matthew 28:19-20
Christianity is NOT A BURGER KING FAITH
HAVE IT YOUR WAY Christianity IS NOT BIBLICAL
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie I don't know what book u r talkng abt that came frm Cath. I have no distortd view of anythng. U hav that if you think the bible came from the Cath church. I hate no one who disagrees with my view of anything, I hav no view. I speak where the bible speaks, am silent where the bible is silent call bible things by bible names do bible things the bible way. If u think there is 1 Cath in the bible u my friend hav the distorted view.
6153calme 1 year ago
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junmeskie 1 year ago
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@6153calme PS. BE HONEST TO JESUS ALONE
SEARCH FOR HIS CHURCH IF YOU BELIEVED JESUS IS GOD, HIS CHURCH WILL STILL BE HERE WITH US UNTIL HIS RETURN do not be afraid
The word Catholic is in the bible = in verse Matt. 28:1920 ".. all nations" meaning universal (Catholic in Greek)
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all."~ Martin Luther THE FATHER OF PROTESTanism
junmeskie 1 year ago
@6153calme The term catholic means universal. When used in reference to the Church that Jesus founded, it has a twofold meaning.
One being that the Church exists everywhere that Christ Jesus is. Where He is present, His Church is made present.
The other meaning is that Jesus instituted His Church and then issued the command that His Church be sent to the entire human race.
it can be seen that the concept of a catholic or universal Church is well-founded in Scripture, Matt. 28:1920
junmeskie 1 year ago
"Rejoice! Rejoice! In the followers of deceit and intimidation and control" Freaking sheep.
miamicunarder 2 years ago
Balls to the lord
jonwainy 3 years ago
One day I believe God will remove this horrible memory from my mind about this disintegrating man made cult religion - ICOC. I am now happy I got through this "valley of death" which destroyed so many loved ones' lives in the Philippines.
Now I am living a victorious life in the one true Church of God. I don't mean to offend you but if you love God and your loved ones brothers, sisters seek the Truth and get out of this church of Satan. Peace
supersamsonite 3 years ago
Some people have compared finding this fellowship with winning the lottery. Please remember, The Bible says demons will masquerade as angels of light; No matter what the name of a church is or what version of the bible they prefer. Anyways, sorry you had such a terrible experience and I hope you the best.
brodrodough 3 years ago
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@brodrodough The church of Christ is not evil. Christ built his church. Church of Christ members are supposed to follow after the new testament as close as possible. There may be evil men in the church, but the whole church is not. Please explain one way you believe the church is evil. We go to worship God and teach others about the Bible-- how is that evil? I hate to imagine what church made you feel that way.
kelliemcclellan 1 year ago
@brodrodough I had a bad experience also and I am certain there are millions of others who have too....legalism and spiritual abuse needs to be shut down....and there is no argument against that!! Merry Christmas and God bless you
MrTommyT1000 1 year ago
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@brodrodough I had a bad experience also and I am certain there are millions of others who have too....legalism and spiritual abuse needs to be shut down....and there is no argument against that!! Merry Christmas and God bless you
MrTommyT1000 1 year ago
I am a member of the ICOC
Just to set the record straight - Everything that supersamsonite says is a LIE. It is a great church that does not water down the faith to a Sunday only - hypocritical church. I defy Mr supersamsonite to detail his accusations
MARKHAMRON 2 years ago
@supersamsonite You say. That the Catholic Church is a man made religion indeed God became Man Jesus.God uses men to reach his peopleThe apostles are men .They are not Gods
Its only through man that we know of Jesus
And
Its only through the Catholic Church that you know of Jesus
"He who steeps himself in history, ceases to be a Protestant." ~ John Newman, Anglican Bishop who convert to the Catholic Church,
junmeskie 1 year ago
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@supersamsonite to brodrodough....please touch base with me at ilinv2010@gmail.com....I am writing a book about my 2 year experience with the ICOC....my memory is a nightmare also......i will discuss more in private but I will guarantee that there are many more people out there and I want to write about this for all the world to see what is being allowed to exist in our society.....
MrTommyT1000 1 year ago
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@supersamsonite to brodrodough....please touch base with me at ilinv2010@gmail.com....I am writing a book about my 2 year experience with the ICOC....my memory is a nightmare also......i will discuss more in private but I will guarantee that there are many more people out there and I want to write about this for all the world to see what is being allowed to exist in our society.....
MrTommyT1000 1 year ago
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@supersamsonite to brodrodough....please touch base with me at ilinv2010@gmail.com....I am writing a book about my 2 year experience with the ICOC....my memory is a nightmare also......i will discuss more in private but I will guarantee that there are many more people out there and I want to write about this for all the world to see what is being allowed to exist in our society.....
MrTommyT1000 1 year ago
yeeaa!!! I love this song!!
Я Рад, я рад
Закон Бога есть
и построй и построй
ты на нем весь сво день и всю ночь
я рад я рад!!)))
Love u church!
smartcraker 3 years ago
Guys this is ICOC. You know, the Kip McKean branch-off. Boston/Crossroads movement.
goph000 3 years ago
goph000, thanks for the update.
quabot 3 years ago
not is a church of Christ
louigui83 3 years ago
I don't know what kinda church this is but it aint the Church of Christ..and if it is SHAME ON YALL for having the Christmas trees and santa hats. This is definetely not a Church of Christ in Tennessee,Arkansas,Oklahoma, or Texas...we know better!
Yeppr 3 years ago
Wow there is no way this is a church of Christ clapping, dancing and christmas trees just makes me sick when they slander the Lord like this
Proverbswife 3 years ago
WOW!!! Those are my brothers in sisters in Christ! I love you all:) im from Cebu, Philippines.
noonefollows 3 years ago
@noonefollows Iday kay ignorant man kamo importante nga mahibaro ka han history ng Kristiano. The founder who started your church is not Jesus read all my post. IF WE BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD HE MUST BE INFALLIBLE WITH AN INFALLIBLE CHURCH. NO NEED FOR REFORMATION, CORRECTIONS FOR JESUS IS PERFECTO 100%
junmeskie 1 year ago
It probably wasn't LA. I see winter coats.
Ecknap 4 years ago
OMG! Who dug this up from the vault? I was a member of this movement once upon a time.. well before the boogie man got me eventually :) What city was this taped? Boston? NY, LA? Looks like it was around 1990judging by the way people are dressed. Fascinating and creepy at the same time!
Supertzar999 4 years ago
That is so sad, The bible commands us to sing as a form of praise and honor God and NO one was into the singing. I hope that all is well with that particular church.
Mkay907 4 years ago 2
yea no musical instruments but worshiping idols come on coc you must be digressive to the true church of christ
clelan1 4 years ago
Take a look around, everything in life is digressive of something.
There's no question as to whether or not a religious person worships idols or not. I'm sure even you, have a golden calf or two.
However, Jesus does have tendency to keep many Christians idol worshiping to a minimal.
brodrodough 4 years ago
CATHOLICS DO NOT WORSHIP STATUES, & ICONS ARE ONLY REMINDERS LIKE PICTURES OF LOVED ONES IN PHOTOGRAPHS
It remind us of their holy life like Mother Teresa (our heroes in heaven)
We bow to Mary & the saints TO SHOW RESPECT like the Japanese people bowing to ppl
PEASANTS GENUFLECT or KNEEL INFRONT OF THE QUEEN OR PRINCE
when we kisses the hand of the Pope, Bishops or Priests
THIS IS A SIGN OF RESPECT
like the Filipinos who kisses the hand of their elders
THEY ARE NOT WORSHIPPING THEM
junmeskie 2 years ago
@junmeskie No 1 needs a statue to remind them of God, the bible IS for that. We BOW to NO person not even angels Acts 10:25-27, Mat 4:9, Col 2:16-19. Kissng popes hnd not a sign of respct they r payng homage to him, they r n AWE of him. This kind of awe is reservd 4 JC only. Not the same as bowng 4 some dignitary I think we all know this. JC told Mary/Joseph their places in Luke 2:48-50. They R TOO WRSHIPNG THEM. They say, HAIL MARYS THAT=WRSHIP, ask him/pope 2 4giv sins that=wrshp.
6153calme 2 years ago
God commands images made. Exodus 25:18-22, Exodus 26:1,31, Numbers 21:8-9,
Solomon's temple: statues and images. 1 Kings 6:23-29, 35, 7:29
Paul's handkerchiefs and aprons. Acts 19:11-12 (saints relics)
HAIL MARY PRAYER
Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women and Blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus.
Holy Mary Mother of God, "Pray for us" sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen
what do we ask Mary to do for us?
junmeskie 2 years ago
I was moved to cringe at every painful blow inflicted on Christ.
I could feel the emotional torment that Mary endured as she watched her son tortured.a person who saw the movie The Passion of the Christ
Marys prayers are especially effective on our behalf because of her relationship with her Son (John 2:111).
CATHOLICS even Muslims imitate Jesus in HONORING his loving mother Mary.
ADORATION AND WORSHIP IS EXCLUSIVE TO GOD ALONE
We only honor and venerate what God had blessed
junmeskie 2 years ago
@6153calme God commands images made. Exodus 25:18-22, Exodus 26:1,31, Numbers 21:8-9,
HE FORBID WORSHIPING AND MAKING IDOLS OF: GOAT, HORSE & OTHER ANIMALS
Solomon's temple: statues and images. 1 Kings 6:23-29, 35, 7:29
Jesus instituted the Confession to his Priests
"That you may know that the Son of Man has the power to forgive sin..." (Mt. 9:6; Mk 2:7-10; Lk 5:21-24).
"Whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain they are retained" (Jn 20:19-23)
junmeskie 1 year ago
@6153calme Catholics imitate Jesus in honoring his n our loving mother Mary, we are very grateful for her YES of Jesus in her womb a tabernacle made sinless immaculate n pure worthy of God's only son Jesus.
In order to understand the meaning of "co-mediatrix" or "co-redemptrix", you MUST understand the meaning of the prefix "co". It does NOT mean equal. It simply means "part- of".
junmeskie 1 year ago
@6153calme When Protestants complain about these terms, they generally mistakenly assume that they mean "equal to". This is simply not the case.
The term "co-redemptrix", then, would simply mean that Mary played a role in our salvation...which she clearly did. It was her "yes" that allowed Jesus to be born among us. This is the role she played.
Mother & Son works together for our salvation This is the reason Jesus called his mother "woman" referring to Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie I can't even reply to this as I have no idea of what u r talking abt. All I know is what Job said. I don't know what co-redemptrix is, it is not in any script I have read. Mary did not allow Jesus to be born, God did she was just vessel He chose, her role ended after Jesus was born & became of age. Mother has zero 2 do w/our salvation. God cleared that up on the Mt, transfig Mat 17, this is my beloved Son hear ye him.
6153calme 1 year ago
@junmeskie calling her MS Teresa Mother is the same thing that is undeserved awe Mat 23:9. Job calls them FLATTERING TITLES Job 32:21. She is not a hero in heaven she is a mere persn just as u r. Again this type of AWE/RESPECT IS RESERVED FOR ONE MAN JESUS CHRIST PS 111.9. GOD told the Israelites about those images. How can these be images of God anyway when they have never seen HIS shape or heard HIS voice John 5:38. We all kno the Cath hav more than respct 4 their pope. They think he is a god.
6153calme 2 years ago
6153calme wrote:
"She is not a hero in heaven she is a mere persn just as u r."
Prove this to us that you 6153calme help the needy 24/7?
READ: Matthew 25:34 to 40
POPE'S AUTHORITY = Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peters decisions would be binding in heaven. He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Matt. 18:18), but only Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus absence.
junmeskie 2 years ago
If u think it mattrs how oft u help the needy just that u do. Think all u have 2 do is be good to b a Christian, Cornelius Acts 10 would diff. Pope has nvr had any AUTHORITY we know he did not get it from JC. He is not even an apostle, they were chosen and given auth by JC. 1Thes 5:21 Prove to me Peter was ever called a pope. Can't do it. He was married Mat 8:14, 1 Cor 9:5. Nevr heard of a married pope. God chose NO POPE.
6153calme 2 years ago
God chose NO POPE. He chose all of the apostles & gave them AUTHORITY to do his will, not any pope. They popes did not exist until AD 606 when Boniface III declared himself as the univ pope. Who gave him the authority. Mattr of fact Cath church did not start in Jerusalem but in Rome. I told u Rome refusd to excpt the Bible as it is but MIXED their own belief/practs with Christianity & that is how we have the Cath church. I knw Peter was nevr a pope nevr b called Holy Rev anything Mat 23:8-10.
6153calme 2 years ago
@6153calme POPE & AUTHORITY Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) n promised that Peters decisions would be binding in heaven.
He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Catholic Bishops) (Matt. 18:18), but only Pope Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus absence.
"I will place the key of the House of David on his shoulder; when he opens, no one shall shut, when he shuts, no one shall open" ~ Isaiah 22:22
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie as I previously stated no pope was givn any auth by God, Peter nevr was, nevr will be a Pope. The term was nevr even heard at the establishmnt of the coChrist day of Penta AD 33. The term pope was coined by Boniface 111 in 606AD when he termed himself universal Pope. Search all u want I don't care what Catholic means it is NOT THERE. No that is not it in Isaiah. Could not giv pwr 2 Cath Bishops, biblical bishops r 2b married 2Tim, so we know Cath bis. were givn no pwer by JC/God
6153calme 1 year ago
@6153calme JESUS SEALED PETERS AUTHORITY WITH THESE VERSES John 21:15, 16 & 17
Who feed the sheep? THE SHEPHERD - FATHER - PAPA we now call POPE!
WATCH MY VIDEO:
"Who Started Your Church?"
If the Catholic Church isn't correct and all other churches broke away from the Catholic Church. Which church is the correct one?
BE HONEST TO JESUS ALONE ANSWER THIS IMPORTANT SHOCKING QUESTION peace!
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie I need no a vid on who started your/my church as I have no church. The church I am a mem of belngs 2 Christ hence the name, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. I am honst to JC u need to be honst 2 urslf & admit that the Cath church it's doctrne/pract r NOT N bible was NOT founded by JC flws not the apostles doctrine. Admit the hqtrs of the Catholic church is locatd at Vatican gets auth frm Vat flws Vat rules. The hqtrs of the church of Christ r n HEavn, flws bible get auth frm Bible.
6153calme 1 year ago
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@6153calme Naming a church CHURCH OF CHRIST DOES NOT MAKE IT THE ORIGINAL CHURCH THAT JESUS BUILT same with THE CHURCH OF GOD
I think you guys are so naive and gullible to believed that!
YOUR C of C is a MAN MADE DENOMINATION read the history
In 1836 Warren Stone and Alexander name thier new denomination "Church of Christ" to decieve people and make ppl to believe that it's Jesus church?
Most of C of C doctrine are copied from the RCC
junmeskie 1 year ago
@6153calme Companies has Managers, Countries has President, Military has Captain why not a Shepherd for his disciples?
Without a Shepherd to feed his sheep see the result among Protestants?
Today there are over 38,000 competing denominations, each insisting its interpretation of the Bible is the correct one.
The resulting divisions have caused untold confusion among millions of sincere but misled Christians.
All they have in common is ONE thing they all HATE THE POPE
junmeskie 1 year ago
@junmeskie Jesus is shepherd, not Protestants whomever they r. no 1 hates any pope it just not biblical. Jesus know whom he chose to feed the church of God. And it was not any Protestants.
6153calme 1 year ago
Bible? What did God tell u directly, for with out that u have nothing but ink and pulp...
parousia555 4 years ago
DID YOU KNOW?
The famous verse relating the "Holy Trinity" [1 John 5:7] has been thrown out of the Bible (RSV) as a FABRICATION!!
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." [1 John 5:7]
Contact me, if you wish to know "why?"
Islamonator 4 years ago
I already know y, cuz it is not in the original Greek (but and however the Greek cud not have been the original)
parousia555 4 years ago
My NAS says this: 1 John:
6. This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
7. For there are three that testify:
8. the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
Does that sound about right?
quabot 3 years ago
great song ,from the black and white !
lgirl777 4 years ago
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You're all going to hell. According to Church of Christ teachings, you're only supposed to sing when making music in churches. Clapping will send you straight to hell. Hypocrites!
usmalum 4 years ago
Thanks for your advise.
brodrodough 4 years ago
if that be the case...what about the apostle Paul and his companion Silas. Precious heart, I emplore you Study,Study,Study,pray without ceasing,Seek the face of God and understanding.
505853 4 years ago
God is good
numanuma20 4 years ago 2
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kill me fucking now..
smysnk 4 years ago
clap clap!!!
theKongofCool 5 years ago