Thank you so much for commenting, especially because you say you are a Christian. I know there are plenty of Christians like you, but it's a pity that a bigoted minority amongst you manage to drown out the tolerant voices in the majority with their incessant noise. But I heard you loud and clear, and once again: thank you.
Im so glad that I came accross ur video, I was just having this conversation with my dad the other day about this exact subject. I am a Christian, and I love my God. That being said is not the issue here. the issue is freedom of speech or the fact that we are loosing that freedom and even more in America every day. Most Christians dont even realize that by dambing your freedom of speech we are dambing so much more. In fact why dont we just skip it all and fall right back into the dark ages.
The greatest possible way of trying to prove yourself is by challenging yourself. Immerse yourself in the thoughts, true rational thinking, of someone like D'Souza. If you can't it simply means you're all about Sturm und Drang; reactionary, stupid and not to be taken seriously, which is about where you are now.
And of course your reaction is going to be "oh here's another closed minded arsehole". Good. You arrived here with the preconception that I never thought about anything anyway, so why should I disappoint you? Never mind the fact that I've been an atheist for 4 decades. You think I haven't a clue. To somebody with that attitude there IS only one valid response: fuck off. And you can make of it what you will.
Just as we have the freedom to hold any religion, welaos have the right to be free *from* religion, but those we elect pander to those who squeal the loudest and thus utter such buffonery as "Those who don't believe aren't real Americans." - of course, the subtext there that "Those who don't follow *our* religion aren't real Americans." isn't heard.
I suppose so. The message of logical thinkers is starting to get louder, and people are starting to toss away what they don't need.
I remember when I was a kid, my dad told me that another word for "religion" was "monarchy". It's pretty much the way it still works, today. Why would anyone want to live like that, or worse, try and force others to?
the 'Imagine no Religion' on it's own isn't offensive, but the twin towers picture implies that religion or a religion is what destroyed them, which might be offensive.
True, but that is my mistake. The actual billboard that got taken down featured no such imagery. Even if it did, it would only be a reason to urge the people who put it up to think of an alternative, NOT to force them to take it down if they were to decide to put it up.
Agreed. And if a medium "out there" decides to spread a message and then gets bullied into taking it down again? Is that a problem? I would say it is.
I think this is a downside of the free market. If a sufficiently large group decides that they won't use the company's services if it keeps spreading this message, the company may be forced to stop. You can hardly force people to shop there. The only possible solution would be to force the company to carry all legal messages. Is that better?
I bet those 90 complaints were actually the same complaint 90 times. They make form letters for that. And if their god can't stop them being offended by other concepts of the universe, just how powerful is it anyway? Hmm???
Don't just 'imagine' no religion, let's work towards getting it diagnosed as a serious mental illness (i.e. theists totally believe in the strange voices reported by ancient schizophrenics) characterised as being violently intolerent to all other beliefs and inherently anti-democratic and opposed to freedom of speech and together we can finish all religions forever. It's us or them.
Hm.... I don't think the response to oppression is to try and oppress THEM harder. I'm all for letting people be as religious as they want. The moment they want to start spreading it, I will stand in their way.
Good point indeed. That's it. In the end it's just one gutless billboard company. We can find one more willing to stand up for our rights. If we can't, we'll CREATE one.
Exactly. And that is why I'm shouting now. It's not like the billboard company decided to do this of their own volition. They would have had every right to do so. No. They were bullied into taking the billboard down. That is intolerable.
@katey1dog Fire can't cause internal structural collapse of a steel building? Jet fuel can burn at temperatures above 4000 degrees, now, what happens to metal when it gets hot? My point exactly. Fucking hippie.
@ysflightman Jet fuel can burn at temperatures above 4000 degrees
Is that Celsius or Fahrenheit?
WIKI the flashpoint of jet fuel. You'll be pleasantly surprised that the ignition point is 1500*F, or 800*C. Always remember that Jet Fuel is 3/5 kerosene. More akin to refined Diesel.
now, what happens to metal when it gets hot?
Metal expands. Now what happens when fire cools as the jet fuel burns out?
@katey1dog Fahrenheit of course. Ignition point =/= high burning temps. What happens when metal gets hot? It expands, when it gets hotter? Expands more and gets weak? When it gets even hotter? It becomes very soft and very weak. I don't think soft and week I-Beams are enought to hold up several hundred tons of building above the destroyed floors. What happens when the jet fuel burns out? The fire keeps on going, the jet fuel was just a starter.
@ysflightman Well, I'm glad you researched the temperatures.
think soft and week I-Beams are enought to hold up several hundred tons of building above the destroyed floors
Of course they did. Remember that the building(s) took the hit as they were designed to do. Several hundred tons? That's what buildings do. An airplane collision would only start a fire.
The fire keeps on going, the jet fuel was just a starter.
No, when fuel is expended, fire decreases in magnitude.
@katey1dog I meant they aren't enough, excuse me, typo, so, your 'agreeance' is a load of crap. Listen, point is, you act as though you believe 911 was an inside job, if you really believe this, or something similar, do the world a favor, go to a nut-house, and get a clue.
Agreeance? Is that even a word? Listen, the point is simple. FIRE is a naturally occurring phenomenon. Jet Fuel, being 3/5 kerosene, is a cool burning hydrocarbon which expended very quickly when the airplanes impacted. Is it enough to down two of the worlds LARGEST skyscrapers? I doubt it. Because FIRE is the ruling causal factor for the destruction of 3 buildings. Especially knowing that no other tall building prior to or since 9/11 have collapsed by fire similarly.
@katey1dog Yes, actually it is. "You are in agreeance." Do you really think the Jet Fuel was the only thing burning? tHe only factor? The jet fuel, the building's contents burning, the structural damage, and other factors had to do with the collapse of the towers. Did the Jet fuel burn quickly? Yes, but is it possible that it, with other factors, rose to higher temps? Hell yes. What is your belief on what happened on 911? You keep dodging that question. Some conspiracy theories right?
@ysflightman Do you really think the Jet Fuel was the only thing burning? tHe only factor?
The fuel began a multi-floor office fire. Burning people, the airplane, fax machines, carpet, computers desks, chairs, and the ubiquitous potted plant. But concrete reinforced steel and drywall doesn't burn.
Did the Jet fuel burn quickly? Yes, but is it possible that it, with other factors, rose to higher temps? Hell yes.
Not necessarily. When fire burns it renders solid material into gas.
@ysflightman Yes, but is it possible that it, with other factors, rose to higher temps? Hell yes.
To finish, the building was on fire. The burning matter was trapped on those floors directly affected and fire didn't escape (except the lit jet fuel which you accepted burnt quickly) to the lower floors, benefitting the building(s). Now, as fire burns, the smoke generated escapes taking with it the mass of the burning matter. Which has the effect of cooling the fire and reducing mass.
@ysflightman What is your belief on what happened on 911?
Four airplanes were hijacked and were slammed into buildings and Pennsylvania. No effort was made into downing EITHER plane knowing that one had collided with Tower 2. The alleged hijackers were trained to fly single-engined Cessnas (many instructors wouldn't let them fly again because they couldn't control the craft(s) in level flight) but managed to successfully commandeer 4 airliners and achieve 75% of their mission.
To continue... The damage caused by the collision of two airliners in New York led to the destruction of three buildings in a manner that many have described as "controlled." The third Tower to fall suffered moderate fire damage on multiple floors above the 8th. It burned for 8 hours without any attempt to suppress the fire. It came down in 6.5 seconds in a neatly compacted and disposable site. Questionable.
All of them came down similarly and symmetrically.
@ysflightman In conclusion, I find the Al Quaida theory to be flawed. So flawed that the FBI has not charged Osama Bin Laden with the crime. Though he may be blamed for it, there is no conclusive evidence suggesting that he had ANY involvement.
The majority claim the theory as, I dare say, gospel. Discussing the governments stance on the subject and many people, including atheists, begin to argue like creationists.
@katey1dog An example of Jet fuel burning at extremely high temps. In a fighter's after-buring section of the engines exhaust, raw fuel is dumped directly into the air exiting the engine, and ignited solely on the heat of the air. On it's own, the fuel burns at temperatures over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, hence the reason the nozzles in the afterburning section are ceramic, as most advanced metal alloys would soften to the point of structual failure. Now think about those 'soft' steel I-beams.
Interesting. But oxygen and fuel are first mixed in the engine. The engine of course being comprised of titanium, hardened aluminum, and hardened steel. It is specifically designed to withstand high temperatures to produce thrust to propel the airplane. It does not burn either of the elements listed, nor do they lose any integrity.
Concering the "soft" steel beems, that you mention, they were tested during the construction of the buildings to withstand 2000* burns.
If a store has overtly religious tones to everything they do, then I will no buy from them. I also tell them why. I believe it is their right to sell what they want and how they want. But if enough people complain, then hopefully they will change their ways. Same with the billboard company, if enough people complain about a billboard then they will take it down in order not to loose business.
Now the hard part is to get the USA where it is the religious stuff that is being taken down and not rational ideas. I do support your message, and I do hope you can find a company that is will to stick it out and see if this will loose them business or not.
Cheers. The problem is that there is this creepy thing calling itself "the moral majority", and they will bombard those companies that help atheists to spread their ideas with "complaints". And most companies will, naturally, cave in to such pressure. If it happened once, or twice, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But when it keeps happening over and over and OVER again, it eventually adds up to actual oppression. And it DOES keep happening. So we need to take positive action.
Very true indeed. But it DOES mean that if somebody DOES give you a stage and an audience, and then they get BULLIED into taking it away again, that there is something very seriously wrong. Especially if it keeps happening over and over again. You tell me. When does it change from a simple choice not to give them a stage to oppression? After how many retractions?
Excuse me? Customers are people who pay for services. Their CUSTOMERS paid them to put the billboard up. Some members of the PUBLIC bullied them into taking them down.
Nope. Nobody else advertising on those billboards contacted them to tell them that THEY would be withdrawing their advertising if they didn't take that down.
If the companies start losing money because a company they are associating with is associating with atheists, they'll be quick to stop associating with that company. The advertisement company just cut it off before that happened.
How dare they suppress freedom of speech and expression? They are allowed to freely demonize other minorities with their non-sensical, bigoted, offensive preachings and they want us to shut up just because their feelings are hurt? FUCK THEM!!!
Exactly. It's that mindblowing disproportionate response that always gets me. "You use bad language when I tell you it is right and just that you should be tormented for all eternity after you die? How naughty of you!"
If I could have only one wish granted it would be a world with out religion, I think after that we'd fix all are other problems , quite quickly. Yes let's shout louder!
Yes, the billboard should never have been taken down. But thats not what I care about, I think it is distasteful to use the Trade Towers. I am not however offended, nor asking you to take down or change your video, but Ill tell you this, I can also Imagine a world with No Religion and still having enough hate, division, and aggression for those towers to have been taken down.
Even though they may have been taken down for religious purposes (even thats debatable), they must now be seen as a reminder of our struggle to overcome that which divides us.
The production quality of this video is awesome. Btw cosmiksgirl just made a video about this too. Also, it seems to me that John Lennon said this a long time ago. So much for freedom of speech in California...
I would love to see a big atheist movement across the world. And, to also spread the message for peace, as well. Imagine no religion. Power to the people. :)
Yeah, I realize that it probably wouldn't be likely to happen any time soon, considering how the world is nowadays. But, it would be great to see something like that happen in the far future.
Damn right it is. I mean - damn right it is the next billboard. And make sure it's with a company that will NOT cave in to pressure. It's not that I agree with that message per se, but it has as much right to be "out there" as the "WHAT THINK YE OF CHRIST" message that I keep getting shoved down my throat.
Well, look deeper into it: Not only do christian zealots force their rolemodel of marriage on others (as in: they don't want to give gay people the right to get married), also other kinds of marriage are denied legal status by those zealots (like polyamory, polyandry, polygyny). This is just one of the many examples were christian standards are forced on people that are not christian, no matter if they have never been christian or if they have left "the church".
Fantastic Video. Maybe I should start complaining about the 1000's of Billboards in our town that promote God. Like "Don't make me come down there" or I saw That. God. I guess the 90 callers to the Billboard company also lack Imagination?
Exactly. Every now and again, when I'm on the bus on the way to work, I have this idiotic "WHAT THINK YE OF CHRIST" message shoved in my face. It offends me. Am I going to demand it be taken down? No.
My life has been greatly impacted by religious pressure, and I feel free when not under control by christian ideas. What is left, is to make the obvious obvious for the rest of the people that I care about. I suffer when I see people letting religious ideas control their lives, rather than their innate moral sense.
I don't hate religion. I hate bastards who would have me silenced for saying I'm not religious. Typically, such bastards are religious, but I am well aware that that does NOT make all religious people bastards. Now, mannypatel1, are YOU going to speak out against this abomination? No. I didn't think so.
"We know that just because a private business decides to censor their customers that's not a first amendment issue but this is a free speech issue anyway you slice it. On top of that, it's also a first amendment issue as well. The CITY GOVERNMENT pressured the sign company into taking the sign down. That's where the violation of the first amendment comes into play."
I haven't see the bus adverts in DC but in Edinburgh the God-people ran an advert with a rainbow, saying 'There is HOPE'. Inspired by this, a local butcher ran a second advert with a rainbow, saying 'There is HOPE of a better HAGGIS; get yours at McSweens, Bruntsfield Place.' I imagine the God-folk were offended but the Haggis advert stayed up.
Exactly. And it's as if the bastards are going "oppressing blacks is no longer PC, oppressing homos is no longer tolerated. Who can we still target with impunity? Oh. YEAH. The godless crowd".
Well they're fucking with the wrong bunch this time.
I predict that it won't take long before we see a major movement. I may be wrong but I have had more people come up to me since moving to this town to proudly let me know of their de-conversion. One of my co-workers told me of his de-conversion and he was very religious. He told me that it wasn't my atheism that got him reading between the lines. It was my pride in who I am and lack of fear to be open about who I am.
i guess justice is only for rich people.
FutileFreakX 3 years ago
Quite
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Because thats right where we are headed if we keep on with this "control"
jahnabahna 3 years ago
Thank you so much for commenting, especially because you say you are a Christian. I know there are plenty of Christians like you, but it's a pity that a bigoted minority amongst you manage to drown out the tolerant voices in the majority with their incessant noise. But I heard you loud and clear, and once again: thank you.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Im so glad that I came accross ur video, I was just having this conversation with my dad the other day about this exact subject. I am a Christian, and I love my God. That being said is not the issue here. the issue is freedom of speech or the fact that we are loosing that freedom and even more in America every day. Most Christians dont even realize that by dambing your freedom of speech we are dambing so much more. In fact why dont we just skip it all and fall right back into the dark ages.
jahnabahna 3 years ago
Reject, or whatever is written on your t-shirt, challenge yourself by reading D'Souza's recent book, "What's so great about Christianity".
Forget about this provocative bullshit and educate yourself. Take a long shower after this too... we can smell you all the way from here.
"Re-boot your mind"... Oh, shut the fuck up!
FrankWeltner 3 years ago
Jawohl herr obersturmbannidiot
rozeboosje 3 years ago
The greatest possible way of trying to prove yourself is by challenging yourself. Immerse yourself in the thoughts, true rational thinking, of someone like D'Souza. If you can't it simply means you're all about Sturm und Drang; reactionary, stupid and not to be taken seriously, which is about where you are now.
FrankWeltner 3 years ago
> The greatest possible way of trying to prove yourself is by challenging yourself.
Why don't YOU give it a try, fuckwit?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
And of course your reaction is going to be "oh here's another closed minded arsehole". Good. You arrived here with the preconception that I never thought about anything anyway, so why should I disappoint you? Never mind the fact that I've been an atheist for 4 decades. You think I haven't a clue. To somebody with that attitude there IS only one valid response: fuck off. And you can make of it what you will.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Just as we have the freedom to hold any religion, welaos have the right to be free *from* religion, but those we elect pander to those who squeal the loudest and thus utter such buffonery as "Those who don't believe aren't real Americans." - of course, the subtext there that "Those who don't follow *our* religion aren't real Americans." isn't heard.
RyuDarragh 3 years ago
And that's why it needs pointing out. Thanks for the comment!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Nice ending, lol!!
TheInvaderBN 3 years ago
Yeah. I need to stop it now, before I start suffering from F-word deflation.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Whoops. I failed.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Wow. What a bunch of jerks. All I hear about atheists in the US is about how much of a raw deal they keep getting. What are they so afraid of?
GetTheCans 3 years ago
Being the next group to face prosecution. It's a pretty damn valid reason to be afraid.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I suppose so. The message of logical thinkers is starting to get louder, and people are starting to toss away what they don't need.
I remember when I was a kid, my dad told me that another word for "religion" was "monarchy". It's pretty much the way it still works, today. Why would anyone want to live like that, or worse, try and force others to?
GetTheCans 3 years ago
> Why would anyone want to live like that,
I don't know, but they have every right in the world to do so, BUT ...
> try and force others to
RIGHT THERE is where I draw the line in the sand.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
the 'Imagine no Religion' on it's own isn't offensive, but the twin towers picture implies that religion or a religion is what destroyed them, which might be offensive.
deighton2002 3 years ago
True, but that is my mistake. The actual billboard that got taken down featured no such imagery. Even if it did, it would only be a reason to urge the people who put it up to think of an alternative, NOT to force them to take it down if they were to decide to put it up.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Freedom of speech means that you won't be persecuted for what you say, not that every medium out there has to spread your message.
annoia 3 years ago
Agreed. And if a medium "out there" decides to spread a message and then gets bullied into taking it down again? Is that a problem? I would say it is.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I think this is a downside of the free market. If a sufficiently large group decides that they won't use the company's services if it keeps spreading this message, the company may be forced to stop. You can hardly force people to shop there. The only possible solution would be to force the company to carry all legal messages. Is that better?
annoia 3 years ago
Yes, but you would think that any reasonable message would be able to be broadcasted.
GetTheCans 3 years ago
Exactly
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I bet those 90 complaints were actually the same complaint 90 times. They make form letters for that. And if their god can't stop them being offended by other concepts of the universe, just how powerful is it anyway? Hmm???
SeaScrabbler 3 years ago
Quite possibly
rozeboosje 3 years ago
So, I'm thinking of buying a billboard... Anyone else?
happysplodie 3 years ago
Good idea. We should do one of them Atheist Bus type campaigns :-)
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Man, I live in California and I've never heard of this.
Though I'd wager it happened in the central valley, it's way more conservative then the coast around San Fran.
CommandoDude 3 years ago
Not sure.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Fantastic video man. Favorited.
gogreen18 3 years ago
Thank you
rozeboosje 3 years ago
What is there was a billboard advertising the Nazi party? Would you keep that up too? Huh?
KYASHAAAN 3 years ago
(rolleyes)
rozeboosje 3 years ago
lol hilarious!
"if theres a pedophile raping babies on a billboard would you keep it up?"
youre a sheep :(
SCX2k 3 years ago
Quite. Let's see:
Exhibit a) A party that proposes that Jewish people around the world should be put together in one place and then exterminated.
Exhibit b) A group who wants people to consider leading a life without having to worry about what some "god" or other might think.
Yeah. What a great comparison to make.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
spread it!
SCX2k 3 years ago
Please, yes.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Funny.
Because I see so many billboards advertising churches and god and god's word..
You never hear anyone complaining about that.
SlaerAkuyume 3 years ago
WHAT THINK YE OF CHRIST!? Exactly. That message gets shoved down my throat regularly.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
religious people SUCK!!
they keep pushing for laws to "prevent people from pushing their agenda"
they are actually so fucking blind they seriously do not believe that is exactly what they are doing.
torpol 3 years ago 2
Quite
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Or only to those they agree with. Quite.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
HA! You had me laughing out loud at the end.
It seems in America that everyone espouses the freedom to express oneself, until they hear, or see, something they disagree with.
I've been absent from YT for a bit, but I'm glad to see you're still carrying the torch of reason, and fighting the good fight.
sft62 3 years ago
Whenever it occurs to me to stop I think about where that might lead.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Imagine no religion and no billboards :p
premed2 3 years ago
LOL
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I most heartily agree!
simplydaft 3 years ago
Thank you!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Don't just 'imagine' no religion, let's work towards getting it diagnosed as a serious mental illness (i.e. theists totally believe in the strange voices reported by ancient schizophrenics) characterised as being violently intolerent to all other beliefs and inherently anti-democratic and opposed to freedom of speech and together we can finish all religions forever. It's us or them.
gazzmatronix 3 years ago
Hm.... I don't think the response to oppression is to try and oppress THEM harder. I'm all for letting people be as religious as they want. The moment they want to start spreading it, I will stand in their way.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Fuck religion. Not imagine no religion.
StatusMalus 3 years ago
LOL. There are days when I feel all magnanimous and I'm all for live and let live. Yesterday was NOT one of those days.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I would recommend not harassing billboard companies.
What I would suggest to people enraged by this, would be to donate to the FFRF.
Money talks, vote with your wallets people - who cares if a few companies turn us down, eventually somebody will want the cash.
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
Good point indeed. That's it. In the end it's just one gutless billboard company. We can find one more willing to stand up for our rights. If we can't, we'll CREATE one.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
And if you're in the USA, its all tax deductible and they send you a pretty kickass newspaper once a month!
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
LOUDER! Fuck yeah.
Saukko31 3 years ago
FUCK FUCK FUCKETY-FUCK YEAH!!!!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Favorited.
katey1dog 3 years ago
Thank you!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
There was a case where the billboards said, "Don't believe in god? You are not alone." and this billboard was taken down.
What is the ironic part is that the people who wanted it removed complained that the message was DIVISIVE!
"You are not alone"......I know, it's divisive.
eequalsfb 3 years ago
Exactly. And that is why I'm shouting now. It's not like the billboard company decided to do this of their own volition. They would have had every right to do so. No. They were bullied into taking the billboard down. That is intolerable.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
01:08-01:19
LOL. No shit. Either we wave our flags, and "bring others democracy", or we continue to suppress thought. It's one or the other, folks.
eequalsfb 3 years ago
Indeed
rozeboosje 3 years ago
religion is not the reason of why the twin towers are not there.
its the excuse our government makes up
fcsoccerlevi 3 years ago
Fuck off truther. Go pedal your bullshit conspiracies elsewhere.
ReligionIsACrutch 3 years ago 3
Damn right. Why are there so many paranoid retards in the world?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Yup. Fuck off. Like ReligionIsACrutch said.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Fire can not cause an internal structural collapse of a steel/concrete building.
katey1dog 2 years ago
@katey1dog Fire can't cause internal structural collapse of a steel building? Jet fuel can burn at temperatures above 4000 degrees, now, what happens to metal when it gets hot? My point exactly. Fucking hippie.
ysflightman 1 year ago
@ysflightman Jet fuel can burn at temperatures above 4000 degrees
Is that Celsius or Fahrenheit?
WIKI the flashpoint of jet fuel. You'll be pleasantly surprised that the ignition point is 1500*F, or 800*C. Always remember that Jet Fuel is 3/5 kerosene. More akin to refined Diesel.
now, what happens to metal when it gets hot?
Metal expands. Now what happens when fire cools as the jet fuel burns out?
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog Fahrenheit of course. Ignition point =/= high burning temps. What happens when metal gets hot? It expands, when it gets hotter? Expands more and gets weak? When it gets even hotter? It becomes very soft and very weak. I don't think soft and week I-Beams are enought to hold up several hundred tons of building above the destroyed floors. What happens when the jet fuel burns out? The fire keeps on going, the jet fuel was just a starter.
ysflightman 1 year ago
@ysflightman Well, I'm glad you researched the temperatures.
think soft and week I-Beams are enought to hold up several hundred tons of building above the destroyed floors
Of course they did. Remember that the building(s) took the hit as they were designed to do. Several hundred tons? That's what buildings do. An airplane collision would only start a fire.
The fire keeps on going, the jet fuel was just a starter.
No, when fuel is expended, fire decreases in magnitude.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog I meant they aren't enough, excuse me, typo, so, your 'agreeance' is a load of crap. Listen, point is, you act as though you believe 911 was an inside job, if you really believe this, or something similar, do the world a favor, go to a nut-house, and get a clue.
ysflightman 1 year ago
@ysflightman
Agreeance? Is that even a word? Listen, the point is simple. FIRE is a naturally occurring phenomenon. Jet Fuel, being 3/5 kerosene, is a cool burning hydrocarbon which expended very quickly when the airplanes impacted. Is it enough to down two of the worlds LARGEST skyscrapers? I doubt it. Because FIRE is the ruling causal factor for the destruction of 3 buildings. Especially knowing that no other tall building prior to or since 9/11 have collapsed by fire similarly.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog Yes, actually it is. "You are in agreeance." Do you really think the Jet Fuel was the only thing burning? tHe only factor? The jet fuel, the building's contents burning, the structural damage, and other factors had to do with the collapse of the towers. Did the Jet fuel burn quickly? Yes, but is it possible that it, with other factors, rose to higher temps? Hell yes. What is your belief on what happened on 911? You keep dodging that question. Some conspiracy theories right?
ysflightman 1 year ago
@ysflightman Do you really think the Jet Fuel was the only thing burning? tHe only factor?
The fuel began a multi-floor office fire. Burning people, the airplane, fax machines, carpet, computers desks, chairs, and the ubiquitous potted plant. But concrete reinforced steel and drywall doesn't burn.
Did the Jet fuel burn quickly? Yes, but is it possible that it, with other factors, rose to higher temps? Hell yes.
Not necessarily. When fire burns it renders solid material into gas.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@ysflightman Yes, but is it possible that it, with other factors, rose to higher temps? Hell yes.
To finish, the building was on fire. The burning matter was trapped on those floors directly affected and fire didn't escape (except the lit jet fuel which you accepted burnt quickly) to the lower floors, benefitting the building(s). Now, as fire burns, the smoke generated escapes taking with it the mass of the burning matter. Which has the effect of cooling the fire and reducing mass.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@ysflightman What is your belief on what happened on 911?
Four airplanes were hijacked and were slammed into buildings and Pennsylvania. No effort was made into downing EITHER plane knowing that one had collided with Tower 2. The alleged hijackers were trained to fly single-engined Cessnas (many instructors wouldn't let them fly again because they couldn't control the craft(s) in level flight) but managed to successfully commandeer 4 airliners and achieve 75% of their mission.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@ysflightman
To continue... The damage caused by the collision of two airliners in New York led to the destruction of three buildings in a manner that many have described as "controlled." The third Tower to fall suffered moderate fire damage on multiple floors above the 8th. It burned for 8 hours without any attempt to suppress the fire. It came down in 6.5 seconds in a neatly compacted and disposable site. Questionable.
All of them came down similarly and symmetrically.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@ysflightman In conclusion, I find the Al Quaida theory to be flawed. So flawed that the FBI has not charged Osama Bin Laden with the crime. Though he may be blamed for it, there is no conclusive evidence suggesting that he had ANY involvement.
The majority claim the theory as, I dare say, gospel. Discussing the governments stance on the subject and many people, including atheists, begin to argue like creationists.
katey1dog 1 year ago
@katey1dog An example of Jet fuel burning at extremely high temps. In a fighter's after-buring section of the engines exhaust, raw fuel is dumped directly into the air exiting the engine, and ignited solely on the heat of the air. On it's own, the fuel burns at temperatures over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, hence the reason the nozzles in the afterburning section are ceramic, as most advanced metal alloys would soften to the point of structual failure. Now think about those 'soft' steel I-beams.
ysflightman 1 year ago
@ysflightman
Interesting. But oxygen and fuel are first mixed in the engine. The engine of course being comprised of titanium, hardened aluminum, and hardened steel. It is specifically designed to withstand high temperatures to produce thrust to propel the airplane. It does not burn either of the elements listed, nor do they lose any integrity.
Concering the "soft" steel beems, that you mention, they were tested during the construction of the buildings to withstand 2000* burns.
katey1dog 1 year ago
love the end. "Fuck you" lol... good video
yyusenet 3 years ago
Cheers. I don't use the F word often, so hopefully when I do use it it remains effective.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Fav'd. Leave that billboard up!!! :P
ShortbusMooner 3 years ago
Quite
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I am an atheist as well, but I have no problems with the company taking it down. But I hope you do find a way to get the message back up! good luck
kokoshu 3 years ago
Why not? They didn't do this out of their own volition. They did it after being bullied and harrassed by bigots phoning them.
If they had chosen to take this down of their own volition, I would have had no problem with it either.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
If a store has overtly religious tones to everything they do, then I will no buy from them. I also tell them why. I believe it is their right to sell what they want and how they want. But if enough people complain, then hopefully they will change their ways. Same with the billboard company, if enough people complain about a billboard then they will take it down in order not to loose business.
kokoshu 3 years ago
Now the hard part is to get the USA where it is the religious stuff that is being taken down and not rational ideas. I do support your message, and I do hope you can find a company that is will to stick it out and see if this will loose them business or not.
kokoshu 3 years ago
Cheers. The problem is that there is this creepy thing calling itself "the moral majority", and they will bombard those companies that help atheists to spread their ideas with "complaints". And most companies will, naturally, cave in to such pressure. If it happened once, or twice, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But when it keeps happening over and over and OVER again, it eventually adds up to actual oppression. And it DOES keep happening. So we need to take positive action.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
You have the right to free speech, but that doesn't mean we need to give you a stage and an audience.
Eldxale 3 years ago
Very true indeed. But it DOES mean that if somebody DOES give you a stage and an audience, and then they get BULLIED into taking it away again, that there is something very seriously wrong. Especially if it keeps happening over and over again. You tell me. When does it change from a simple choice not to give them a stage to oppression? After how many retractions?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
They weren't bullied. Some of their customers did not like what they were doing and complained.
Eldxale 3 years ago
> Some of their customers
Excuse me? Customers are people who pay for services. Their CUSTOMERS paid them to put the billboard up. Some members of the PUBLIC bullied them into taking them down.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
These people threatened to stop buying any other products they advertised. That means that the advertisement company's customer's were complaining.
Eldxale 3 years ago
Nope. Nobody else advertising on those billboards contacted them to tell them that THEY would be withdrawing their advertising if they didn't take that down.
Wrong again.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
If the companies start losing money because a company they are associating with is associating with atheists, they'll be quick to stop associating with that company. The advertisement company just cut it off before that happened.
Eldxale 3 years ago
Now you're just clutching at straws.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
LOUDER!
freedom0f5peech 3 years ago
HELL YEAH!!!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
imagine less people with superstition.
holybabble 3 years ago
That would be fantastic
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I love that song.
"...It's easy if you try.
Nothing to kill,or die for,
Above us only sky."
ericpage420 3 years ago
Yup
rozeboosje 3 years ago
that effect was badass!
cozmikzen 3 years ago
Cheers. Still not happy with it though. I wish I could find software that would allow you to separate an object from its background effectively.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
i hear ya. i just loaded sony vegas, its supposed to be the best one. but its like trying to figure out how to fly the space shuttle.
cozmikzen 3 years ago
free speech is only relevant to religious people I guess.
TachiRdiesDirty 3 years ago
Yup. Those with the money and/or the power.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
GAAAAAAH!!! *frustration clenched fists*
Paxmax 3 years ago
LET IT OUT!!! SHOUT!!!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
How dare they suppress freedom of speech and expression? They are allowed to freely demonize other minorities with their non-sensical, bigoted, offensive preachings and they want us to shut up just because their feelings are hurt? FUCK THEM!!!
silvereclipse 3 years ago
Exactly. It's that mindblowing disproportionate response that always gets me. "You use bad language when I tell you it is right and just that you should be tormented for all eternity after you die? How naughty of you!"
rozeboosje 3 years ago
If I could have only one wish granted it would be a world with out religion, I think after that we'd fix all are other problems , quite quickly. Yes let's shout louder!
bCurious2 3 years ago
YES INDEED!!!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Yes, the billboard should never have been taken down. But thats not what I care about, I think it is distasteful to use the Trade Towers. I am not however offended, nor asking you to take down or change your video, but Ill tell you this, I can also Imagine a world with No Religion and still having enough hate, division, and aggression for those towers to have been taken down.
onenall 3 years ago
Even though they may have been taken down for religious purposes (even thats debatable), they must now be seen as a reminder of our struggle to overcome that which divides us.
onenall 3 years ago
That's fair enough and I agree.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Sure. But in the event they WERE taken down by Islamic fundamentalists.
Anyway... I tried to find a high quality image of the original billboard in California, but only found this one. Same text, different imagery.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Californians should make a bumper sticker that looks like the billboard while this incident is fresh on those bigots' minds, or something.
Or not, their cars would probably get keyed.
Roostring 3 years ago
It's worth it. Just make the "keyed look" the latest fashion statement in cars :-)
rozeboosje 3 years ago
The production quality of this video is awesome. Btw cosmiksgirl just made a video about this too. Also, it seems to me that John Lennon said this a long time ago. So much for freedom of speech in California...
2bsirius 3 years ago
Actually her user name is cozmiksgirl66. She does good vids...Check out her channel if you want more info on this.
2bsirius 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I know. I'll go check it out!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
LOL! I love it! Favorite and 5 stars!
pchannell 3 years ago
Cheers
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I would love to see a big atheist movement across the world. And, to also spread the message for peace, as well. Imagine no religion. Power to the people. :)
HaleyMary 3 years ago
A big atheist movement is not very likely, but if atheists can get together whenever this fight needs to be fought, that'll be a good thing.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Yeah, I realize that it probably wouldn't be likely to happen any time soon, considering how the world is nowadays. But, it would be great to see something like that happen in the far future.
HaleyMary 3 years ago
"I understand people have freedom of speech, but this is taking it too far. It's very jarring."
So because your fragile belief system can't tolerate simple questions, we should silence everyone that disagrees with you?
ReligionIsACrutch 3 years ago 2
huh? Who said that!?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
"Judy Rooze, administrator of First Baptist Church of Rancho Cucamonga, which is two blocks from the billboard"
Source: pe(dot)com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_atheist21.44263f8.html
ReligionIsACrutch 3 years ago
The next billord is going to be "Religion is poison."
STRYKER7191 3 years ago 2
Damn right it is. I mean - damn right it is the next billboard. And make sure it's with a company that will NOT cave in to pressure. It's not that I agree with that message per se, but it has as much right to be "out there" as the "WHAT THINK YE OF CHRIST" message that I keep getting shoved down my throat.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Well, look deeper into it: Not only do christian zealots force their rolemodel of marriage on others (as in: they don't want to give gay people the right to get married), also other kinds of marriage are denied legal status by those zealots (like polyamory, polyandry, polygyny). This is just one of the many examples were christian standards are forced on people that are not christian, no matter if they have never been christian or if they have left "the church".
tmafkap 3 years ago
Indeed
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Very well said (and shouted.)
I am embarrassed for, and ashamed of California lately.
*looks for rooftop to scream from*
a2zdiy 3 years ago
It's not just California.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Fantastic Video. Maybe I should start complaining about the 1000's of Billboards in our town that promote God. Like "Don't make me come down there" or I saw That. God. I guess the 90 callers to the Billboard company also lack Imagination?
AgnosticHippie 3 years ago
Exactly. Every now and again, when I'm on the bus on the way to work, I have this idiotic "WHAT THINK YE OF CHRIST" message shoved in my face. It offends me. Am I going to demand it be taken down? No.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Freedom of speech is the enemy of those who would oppress others. This is a victory for atheism over religion.
thatgaybloke 3 years ago
Cheers
rozeboosje 3 years ago
woah take it easy man
life is not about hating religion
mannypatel1 3 years ago
Life isn't about hating free speech. Why do you hate free speech?
ReligionIsACrutch 3 years ago 4
Bam! Exactly.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Life is about being free from religious pressure. Therefore, I strongly support this video.
auduuun 3 years ago 2
dont know where you got that flawed definition of life from but if you want to continue wasting your life then that is up to you
mannypatel1 3 years ago
And fuck you too.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
My life has been greatly impacted by religious pressure, and I feel free when not under control by christian ideas. What is left, is to make the obvious obvious for the rest of the people that I care about. I suffer when I see people letting religious ideas control their lives, rather than their innate moral sense.
auduuun 3 years ago
Thank you
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I don't hate religion. I hate bastards who would have me silenced for saying I'm not religious. Typically, such bastards are religious, but I am well aware that that does NOT make all religious people bastards. Now, mannypatel1, are YOU going to speak out against this abomination? No. I didn't think so.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Life would be so much better if it was.
kokoshu 3 years ago
Religion teaches inappropriate control.
sarcasmosis 3 years ago
Yup
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Imagine if Christians didn't get offended.
theowarner 3 years ago
Now that WOULD be hard to do
rozeboosje 3 years ago
My comment from my video on this story:
"We know that just because a private business decides to censor their customers that's not a first amendment issue but this is a free speech issue anyway you slice it. On top of that, it's also a first amendment issue as well. The CITY GOVERNMENT pressured the sign company into taking the sign down. That's where the violation of the first amendment comes into play."
ReligionIsACrutch 3 years ago
Exactly. It's a form of bullying.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I haven't see the bus adverts in DC but in Edinburgh the God-people ran an advert with a rainbow, saying 'There is HOPE'. Inspired by this, a local butcher ran a second advert with a rainbow, saying 'There is HOPE of a better HAGGIS; get yours at McSweens, Bruntsfield Place.' I imagine the God-folk were offended but the Haggis advert stayed up.
auchraw 3 years ago
LOL!
Was it a wild haggis?
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Sure, the best haggises are all wild; they catch them in nets to save the skins. We LOLd.
auchraw 3 years ago
The USA is fifty years behind Europe, that's all.
auchraw 3 years ago 2
LOL
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I would love to see a big uprising of the atheist movement. For too long we have allowed the faith based to get away with their shenanigans.
GoMetricToday 3 years ago 2
Exactly. And it's as if the bastards are going "oppressing blacks is no longer PC, oppressing homos is no longer tolerated. Who can we still target with impunity? Oh. YEAH. The godless crowd".
Well they're fucking with the wrong bunch this time.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I predict that it won't take long before we see a major movement. I may be wrong but I have had more people come up to me since moving to this town to proudly let me know of their de-conversion. One of my co-workers told me of his de-conversion and he was very religious. He told me that it wasn't my atheism that got him reading between the lines. It was my pride in who I am and lack of fear to be open about who I am.
GoMetricToday 3 years ago
Great.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I'm offended when christians say "you have a creator" I'm offended when muslims say "allah akbar" Let's ban religion!
isreasontaboo 3 years ago