@TheJuventinatosta if youre not racist then you wouldnt call the english animals!!! thats a general insult to all the people of england..and bec of what? bec you suppose some 100 of the millions of british football fans went wild? were juve fans saints that day? they had knives and pistols and threw firecrackers, and bec of that liverpool fans charged them and other uve fans died bec the wall came over them. Get your facts straight both sets of fans were hyperviolent
@Megapolable and a tragedy took place, we accept responsibility, do your part and accept responsibility as well instead of solely blaming the opposition. Ive been to Liverpool and you have some of the nicest people on earth, our fans are the greatest in the world and ive been to Italy and you have some of the loveliest people on earth too, one unfortunate incident doesnt change a thing. If you think it does may I remind what was the most violent empire in history?
It's such a shame when a few people ruin it for the rest of us. I'm a Liverpool fan myself and this day was the lowest. Most people like myself go to a football game for a bit of fun and football, not to see a load of people tearing into each other. It doesn't matter who was to blame but the 39 who died that day...who like most probably only wanted to watch a good game. You can't blame all Liverpool fans since it's a bit unfair but in all honesty I get why people are hostile towards us. R.I.P 39
Were Juventus banned from Europe for their fans rioting at Heysel?
Both sets of fans were to blame for what happened., plus UEFA and the Belgian authorities for their choice of a crumbling stadium and poor security which Liverpool FC had highlighted before the game.
@deisetrev most people in sector Z were families, they ran away and 39 died. who paid for this all? not Liverpool with just 6 years outside of Europe (it should have been disqualified at least for 39 years), not belgian d1ckhead policemen who didn't control brits on entrance nor had batteries in talkies and beated italians who escaped on the pitch, not Uefa or belgian organization who nowadays want to wash away the memory, not those pigs who have been condemned but didn't go to jail.
goldroversix is only tough enough to call people shithouses on the internet the woolyback prick has'nt got the balls to say it to anyones grid in person.
@MurrintownLad someone with an IQ as low as yours should avoid arguments, your depriving Huyton village of its resident idiot, now go away or do you want me to wipe the floor with you a second time ?
Drunken idiots caused this...drunken idiots that happened to be Liverpool supporters. I don't think it's right to paint all the club's supporters with the same brush...just one man's opinion here.
this stadium was hosting concerts and sports way before this final, so it was safe, its only when the hordes of murdering liverpool fans arrived and decided to smash up barriers and tear down walls that it was deemed to be unsafe, the world judged liverpool fans that night..and we found you guilty of murder, innocent families put to the sword by this scouse scum, its everton i feel sorry for, having to share a city with this lot, the shame they brought to merseyside.and the uk
@goldroversix the ground wasnt safe. this was the last ever event to be staged at heysel,that was decided before the final took place. and if you knew anything about 80's football you'd know liverpool werent even in the top 10 worst hooligan clubs...twat!
@in2u2b justice for the 39 slaughtered by shithouse liverpool fans who only attack fathers and sons who had no choice but to run..there is blood on liverpool fc hands and it wont wash off no matter what excuse you gang of knobheads come up with...most of you pretend it didnt happen, but guess what ? the world saw it happen thats why your fans served sentences for it...get your facts right TIT !
@goldroversix what facts have i got wrong?lfc fans caused heysel,no denying that. are you saying chelsea,west ham,man utd or leeds would have just stood there and let italians throw missiles at them? i suggest you look into some history of hooliganism in the 80's. like leeds at chelsea,leeds at derby,chelsea at derby,leeds at birmingham,man utd at norwich,millwall at luton...all major riots i can think of immediately. then come back with your facts...you complete wanker
@in2u2b blaming the stadium is a fact, wembley was demolished because it was old without a murderous bloodbath happening before it went, comparing your self to other fans is something only a deluded tosser like you would do, for a start how would you know they would behave like you shower did ? the chant of MURDERERS will follow the most hated fans in the world for evermore, and that is a FACT !
@goldroversix what a wanker you are. the taking of ends was common in our game in the 80's.there were running battles every weekend at one ground or another. havent you seen millwall at luton? leeds at chelsea,leeds at birmingham,leeds and chelsea at deby. fuckin hell it even went on in the lower leagues. you're a fucking self obsessed prick who comes on here for attention. bet you never been to a game in your life,.sky watchin wanker
@in2u2b your living proof that evolution can work in reverse, you knuckle dragging ape, without a doubt the biggest tosser ive come across on here ever, so well done for that ! your thick as shit logic is proof that the shithouse liverpool fans chose to take an end full of families, so wind your neck in you gibbering mong !
@goldroversixyou're living proof of the know fuck all big mouths who live their lives on the internet. you gob off from the safety of yourbedroom i bet if yer mam knew what you was doing she'd clip your earhole you.little prick! never been anywhere or done anything. i see you're obsessed with everything liverpool,i should be flattered.full of familles? another lie. in fact there were gobby ultras like you who thought they were safe behind a fence,then they ran! now i'm done with you knobhead.
@in2u2b another shithouse liverpool fan , who wants out when he hears the truth, thinks he is a sports casual because he bought the football factory dvd. go back to loserville you fucking bellend, population of 1 and thats you !
I remember this like it was yesterday, I remember where I was and what I was doing (watching the game in a caravan on holiday), I also remember bradford and Hillsborough - life long everton fan, gutted every time I see people die at a football match and yes, Juve fans were as much to blame
Much as i hate Liverpool I do remember Juve started the trouble but ran away when liverpool started back thus causin the wall to collapse. Not murdered it was a tragic accident brought on by violence on both sides. Wot did happen after the game was blanket ban on english clubs in europe, UEFAS way of ending the dominance of english clubs in european competition which then led 2 the italians winnin everythin.
@rightwingpob the 39 got justice. 26 went on trial for manslaughter,many were jailed. the ground was demolished,which was planned anyway. the belgian mayor and chief of police were sacked. the authorities took their share of the blame for poor policing,allocating italians tickets in the liverpool end,lack of adequate segregation,liverpool and other english clubs were banned from europe.
@rightwingpob you might think banning all english clubs was unfair,but thatcher recommended they do so. afterall english fans had been rampaging through europe for a decade and it was getting worse. we'd just had bradford,the millwall riot and leeds/chelsea/man utd and west ham were wrecking wherever they went week in week out. not to mention england fans !
"If you want to understand the causes that existed in the past, look at the results as they are manifested in the present. And if you want to understand what results will be manifested in the future, look at the causes that exist in the present.."
(The Opening of the Eyes - The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin, Vol. 1, page 279)
And after reading all comments... Does it really matter who did what to whom? Both sides were equally guilty... resulting in tragedy... And for what? A football game... Maybe its because I am a woman... we carry life and we put it on this earth... precious wonderfull life... No woman could ever start this... Time to adopt the Icelandic point of view... dottir (daughter) is the last name for all people there... women as the carriers of life...
My God... I remember this... I guess I was about 22 when this happened. Remember my dad saying: what kind of species have we become? No other life form on earth would do this to one another, they'd kill alright but just for food, for survival... this can only be done by human kind... makes you wonder... sometimes I'd rather be an animal I guess.... Deepest sympathy for all souls that lost their lives in this total mahem... No-one deserves to die like this....
@montebardia Well said, although I had to use a translator as I know no Italian. Too many comments here are from people who live to hate, continuing the worst possible vices in human nature.
@fingo92 Shut the fuck up you dirty italian cunt come to England and youll get digged into next week with fists. Cowards? only fucking pussys carry knifes around. Fucking iti cunt. Look at those fucking pussy juventus fans running into the corner like bitches. I hope your mom was under the rubble.
@shqiperiany They all took part but some from each "side" decided that the football wasn't enough. Both sides threw missiles. The crap stadium happened to collapse at the Italian end. On another day it may have been the other end. But without the violent intent inherent on that day, the stadium would have stood up as it had for years. I'm sure there was bad intent by some, but to collapse a wall wasn't it, and most folks died under the wall.
@turkeylad Yes? If you expect me to defend this violent day or the actions of those in it, then you've asked the wrong person. Watching it again brings it all back; the day it happened and what I was doing that day (i.e. making this track).
sure they both threw missiles- but it was liverpool fans who breached the dividel and invaded a section for the italian fans, the result was people pressing against the wall and the wall collapsing- thats more than bad intent- they may not have known the wall would collapse but thier illegal and violent actions caused it to collapse- so they are responsible
@WolfgangVonPoserkila Look at the starting of your sentence. Every sentence must start with capital letter.
2nd- Considering the fact you're the only fucking twat that responded to me with abusive language, again, you're also an internet thug with nothing better to do with your life but abuse people on the internet because the internet is where your kingdom is.
3rd- It was a legit question, considering Liverpool lost 1-0 so they decided to take it on their fans.
@shqiperiany I didn't use a capital once at a sentence start when I used the word "lol". That's because "Lol" looks stupid. You didn't use a capital letter in one of your replies so how the fuck can you even criticise me on that you weird hypocritical twat?
I abused you because this video is a sensitive topic and you waltz in implying that Liverpool fans attempted to cause a crush which they didn't even know would happen.
What you said was offensive, let alone fucking moronic.
@WolfgangVonPoserkila So, do you know the answer why the Liverpool hooligans did this ? No. and by the way, i only started correcting you because you tried to be a fucking Nazi grammar.
I don't see it as offensive, i see it as my fucking opinion.
Talking to you, is like talking to a fucking wall!
@shqiperiany It was an accident you idiot. Juve fans were throwing bottles & beating up a 10 year old Liverpool fan, the Liverpool fans ran through the barrier to retaliate & the Italians ran the other way like bullies.
It wouldn't have been so tragic or so sickening if people had been killed in a fight rather than an accidental crush. Liverpool fans just wanted to retaliate, not kill anyone. Uefa blamed Liverpool because it was Juve fans who died but it was both fans fault.
@novadrian I think the players were kept in the dark. Saw the 20th anniversary on TV at the time, and watched it happen on telly '85. That " stadium" was a dump.
Man shut up, alot of innocent people died on both sides you make it sound like were all so violent when actually its only a handfull of crazed supporters dont u dare rule us all out, and look how far weve come now, were even ready to hold the Olympics in 2012, so no, a handfull used to be scum and the Armed Forces are you serious? Were the best trained in the world our Soldiers are so brave and do thier job proffesionally and effectively putting thier lives on the line for democracy
@iSleepForever You assume I'm not British...I am. + What on earth does the Olympics have to do with any of this? +"...putting their lives on the line for democracy...."!? Really?? Who spun you that one? British intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with democracy and never had. There are dozens of locations in the world with no democracy. Do British forces get sent there...no, of course not...so why Iraq and Afghanistan? Did the people there ask for intervention? No.
(cont.) I'm not even certain what you're attempting to say when you gracelessly smash words together and call them responses. Are you trying to argue a belief system? Surely nobody is so stupid as to argue something entirely based on faith?
mdr23 stated that he believed things happen in the universe by the principle of cause and effect. Then you immediately shat a brick and started gibbering on about nothing relevant, further highlighting your lack of understanding.
@custardaghost. I suggest you watch some My Name Is Earl,since that would probably explain karma in words that you understand. It's also quite funny.
Further benefits of watching tv instead of posting on YouTube include: not illustrating to the world your inability to understand basic philosophical principles; not showing the world that you don't understand logical argument or fallacies; not highlighting that you lack the ability to process reason.
how can anyone say hillsborough was heysels justice? them 96 people were just as innocent as these 39 .. we've waited 22 years for justic for the 96 so dont dare disrespect them!
@mandsox fair play mate. too many people commenting with long words and complete bollox. I or my family we're not involved, but that does not mean we cannot share the grief of sheffield or the debacle of a decrepit non league stadium in belgium as a venue. 96 too many. regards and thoughts ,COYS .
Any disaster where ordinary football fans got to watch a game of football and don't come home is sickening, anyone losing their life also. and i dont blame any one set of fans for heysel - but a certain section of both fans need to take a good look at themselves.
@mdr23 Justice was served in later disasters??? Stick the word Karma in all you like, the key word here is Justice. What you're basically saying is that the 96 Hillsbrough victims were justice for Heysel.
Heysel was a terrible tragedy. Neither sets of fans are angels, so don't be naive and point the finger solely at LFC fans. The policing of that game was a major factor. Even at the Athens 07 CL final it was primative. Dangerous infact.
If I said "poetic justice" then that would've been more accurate perhaps, if that's the word you wish to focus on, but if instead of getting fumed you read the words I wrote more carefully then you'll realise that I never, not for one instant, pointed my finger solely at the Liverpool folk.
Karma extends through time. Hillsborough and Bradford are not the "justice" of which you speak delivered by an avenging hand god-like from above but a consequence of a host of prior actions.
Also, the consequences for all prior actions do not have to be like the Jewish eye-for-an-eye sort of consequences either. They can be in many forms. For instance, examine the state of football, policing or politics in the UK & Italy. I'd say many things have changed since 1985 in the UK, wouldn't you? I'd say that the karma in Italy is the same.
I apologise for sticking the word karma in, but that is what I believe. I also think that UK's karma as a consequence of the last 2 centuries is still being played out. Italy's likewise.
And I repeat;
"What is sick are the comments from folk below who just wish to prolong the hate so that the "war" lasts forever. They live to hate."
"What is sick are the comments from folk below who just wish to prolong the hate so that the "war" lasts forever. They live to hate."
You've lost me here. Just what is the difference between that and your religion's principle of karma consequences? That one which you explained to us here quoting the Intertubes of Wikipedia and then proceeded to explain and morally defend?
I think that you're playing possum or devil's advocate here. The difference is plainly obvious. Karma is not some retributive act from all all-seeing god. It is a consequence of our (which means at the personal and the group level) actions, commonly called the law of cause and effect. Because all things are interconnected we all bear responsibility for things that happen.
Using the football analogy, the violent behaviour and animalistic actions of two decades of supporters led to the UK erecting barriers to cage fans in their areas. The consequence of this was that events at Hillsborough and Bradford meant there was no escape for the trapped people. Since then, UK football was banned from Europe for ages and barriers were removed and all-seater stadia implemented.
Of course, if UK football as a whole hadn't been so violently anilmalist then stadia could have remained as they'd been for 70 years..... We've yet to see what happens in Italy where truly atrocious behaviour carries on much as it has done, mostly due to its roots in Italy's city state past before its unification.
@mrada2001 But thuggery exposes the weaknesses in the structures. A few weeks back we had the Celtic-Rangers blow up which reminded me of the Ibrox disaster and also the Rangers fans running amok through Newcastle back in the 60s/70s.
Football is one haunt of the animalistic behaviour inherent in all humans. This puts the onus on everyone to behave themselves or else bad things happen as we've seen.
@custardaghost The soundbite kid strikes again. I'd be pleased to hear your solution/reason to humanity's problems that could fit in the 400 char Youtube limit.
Probably be just a soundbite though.
Meanwhile the dead are still dead, football carries on while on and off the field people kick the shit out of each other. My reason why this is so? A. People let it happen. If more folk objected with action instead of platitudes to football's animality, then things would change.
@custardaghost Karma is a word that encompasses the concept of "cause and effect". We're still waiting on your explanation and solution to humanity's problems.
If you don't think that any problems exist or that problems are unsolvable and thus to continue as we are is the only course of action, then cause and effect also explains why you'd think that way. So far though, it's slings and arrows fired at the messenger from you with no constructive comment at all.
As a reminder, I made this video to express my feelings of disgust at the violence inherent in humanity. The genesis of its creation can be found in my commentary at the top, but essentially, we (the band Crawling Chaos) had just recorded it and put the telly on quiet while listening to our recording.... The Heysel events were unfolding just before our eyes, (many of images now appearing in my little video), so the music and images are forever linked in my mind.
Both this and the Hillsborough disaster were awful.Looking at the photos it looks as though the Italian fans who suffered were the older people and the kids.
Im sure the fans of Liverpool did not set out to cause death.Those involved have to live with what they did.All they had to do was stay on their own side of the fence.The ground was poor,the security was poor but it does not mean you have to break through and riot.
i remember it like it was only yesterday people dying for no reason what so ever and still these thugs still didnt learn when in 1989 went on and killed their own people in hillsborough do these people ever learn.
@MultiBeaker1 you are disgusting. the hillsborough tragedy was an accident. too many people crammed into a pen. they got crushed just standing there. now fuck off and die you sicko.
There is something inherently wrong with European soccer fans and the communities that nurture this kind of behavior. One wonders if soccer was abolished, would these same "people" riot in the streets or local malls? Hooligans are not just boys getting into mischief, they are criminals bred from a skewed upbringing.
Regardless of what happened this day, the stadium, policing, fans etc. \it would be interesting to know what UEFA would do forexample, if in the modern age if a fan stabbed another fan in a Euro game. Oh wait...Italians did it last week, nothing happened. If it happened in England they would be thrown out...
Let me state for the record, Football Holligans do not just come from England each country has had its share, I remember when this happened and can tell you, both so called supporters are to blame, the English just didn,t wear bandana round their faces and throw poles so lets be fair, it was a terrible tragedy which never should have happened.
Earlier this morning I learnt of the Hillsborough disaster and shed a tear for the tragedy as my heart broke for the Liverpool fans. I linked to this and am now confused and angry at the Red Animals. Their own craziness that manifested here ended up killing so many more of their own on home soil.
Utter ignorant tripe.as racewalkingrules has already stated, Hillsborough was an accident and no responsibility can be put at the Liverpool fans' door.
Both sides misbehaved terribly ! But the majority of victims were just older and very young people, many families actualy ... who were the victim of other peoples mad and violent behaviour at that terrible day ! For everybody who loves this sport, that was a tragic and shamefull day. When i see all those names i just feel sick in my stomach !!! Rest in Peace all of them !!! Love and passion for the game is good , but don't kill for it !!
@LongevityMUFC There are no winners here, even fools who wish to have a cheap shot at a rival club - as if United or any English football club at the time did not have a problem with violent fans. It is beyond doubt that an element within the Liverpool fans were to blame for the rioting that caused the crowd crush, but the Juventus Ultras were involved in escalating that fight as well, I think that is accepted. However the point is innocent people died here, as they did at Hillsborough, R.I.P
I remember a Juventus "fan", (said to be the son or nephew of the Juventus owner from my memory), waving a gun around on the pitch, shown on national TV.
Strangely, I cannot find a single image of this on the web although everyone seems to remember it. I don't know the reason for this, but ultimately, justice was only served on Liverpool "fans" both in Italy and karmically in later disasters.
..."Tragically, the underlying tribal and xenophobic attitudes are still prevalent today."
..."What is really tragic is that the underlying tribal and, to put it mildly, xenophobic attitudes amongst so-called fans and the police that lead to this and other tragedies are still prevalent twenty-five years on."
I hope that someday, those damn hooligans who go to the stadium just to beat others, some are mad that you brought inside with a gun who began firing on him ... so ... random!
To all Italian victims, innocent people ... families, children, women. RIP from italy.
This was the only clip with the original band Crawling Chaos, (The Gas Chair LP early -80s, Humulctus Equinox MC cassette earky 80-s. Hope some day these albums will come out a second time. Its so worth it.
a quien le quedara las ganas de volver a un partido despues de esto?
MrAntonio611 4 days ago
scousers rule ... dont fuck with liverpool fans they will kill ya
ashleyhat 2 weeks ago
@ashleyhat No they don't. If they're not getting into fights or on drugs they're breaking into cars
nord1486 6 days ago
english cowards against families.....english cowards have killed 2 childrens, womans.......fight with ultras not with womans, english animals!!
fingo92 3 weeks ago
BASTARDI
TheJuventinatosta 1 month ago
ENGLISH ANIMALS
TheJuventinatosta 1 month ago
@TheJuventinatosta Italian Spoiled Racist You bring shame to Italy, a Country I love
Megapolable 1 month ago
@Megapolable you do not bring shame to Italy .... I'm not racist but in this case you were real animals!!
TheJuventinatosta 1 month ago
@TheJuventinatosta if youre not racist then you wouldnt call the english animals!!! thats a general insult to all the people of england..and bec of what? bec you suppose some 100 of the millions of british football fans went wild? were juve fans saints that day? they had knives and pistols and threw firecrackers, and bec of that liverpool fans charged them and other uve fans died bec the wall came over them. Get your facts straight both sets of fans were hyperviolent
Megapolable 1 month ago
@Megapolable and a tragedy took place, we accept responsibility, do your part and accept responsibility as well instead of solely blaming the opposition. Ive been to Liverpool and you have some of the nicest people on earth, our fans are the greatest in the world and ive been to Italy and you have some of the loveliest people on earth too, one unfortunate incident doesnt change a thing. If you think it does may I remind what was the most violent empire in history?
Megapolable 1 month ago
@Megapolable Yes the Roman Empire...Peace RIp 39 Juve Fans
Megapolable 1 month ago
The music is perfect for the subject. Bleak and troubled.
WolfgangVonPoserkila 2 months ago
english bastards
catambu1306 2 months ago
if Panathinaikos had beaten Liverpool in the semi-finals there would be no Heysel disaster...
MrBad94 2 months ago
@MrBad94 What do you mean?
TrainsGaming 1 month ago
@TrainsGaming What do you think i mean?
the semi-finals were Panathinaikos-Liverpool and Juventus-Bordeaux
since we and italians are brothers,nothing like that would happen...
MrBad94 1 month ago
It's such a shame when a few people ruin it for the rest of us. I'm a Liverpool fan myself and this day was the lowest. Most people like myself go to a football game for a bit of fun and football, not to see a load of people tearing into each other. It doesn't matter who was to blame but the 39 who died that day...who like most probably only wanted to watch a good game. You can't blame all Liverpool fans since it's a bit unfair but in all honesty I get why people are hostile towards us. R.I.P 39
kirstyhm 2 months ago
stop bitching about whos to blame,whats done is done!! RI.P 39 ITALIANS
kevingunter3 2 months ago
Hooligans BASTARDI
Peppuzzo23 3 months ago
FUCK LIVERPOOL
SuperAzeazeaze 3 months ago
Were Juventus banned from Europe for their fans rioting at Heysel?
Both sets of fans were to blame for what happened., plus UEFA and the Belgian authorities for their choice of a crumbling stadium and poor security which Liverpool FC had highlighted before the game.
Sad day for football.
deisetrev 4 months ago 2
@deisetrev most people in sector Z were families, they ran away and 39 died. who paid for this all? not Liverpool with just 6 years outside of Europe (it should have been disqualified at least for 39 years), not belgian d1ckhead policemen who didn't control brits on entrance nor had batteries in talkies and beated italians who escaped on the pitch, not Uefa or belgian organization who nowadays want to wash away the memory, not those pigs who have been condemned but didn't go to jail.
zulle83 2 months ago
The english are dogs, forza juve.
53rp3n7 4 months ago
@53rp3n7 You are a Moron, you dont deserve to an Italian or a Human Being
Megapolable 1 month ago
goldroversix is only tough enough to call people shithouses on the internet the woolyback prick has'nt got the balls to say it to anyones grid in person.
:0)
MurrintownLad 4 months ago
@MurrintownLad someone with an IQ as low as yours should avoid arguments, your depriving Huyton village of its resident idiot, now go away or do you want me to wipe the floor with you a second time ?
goldroversix 4 months ago
@goldroversix Haaaa bigshot.
internet toughguy.
born in thingwall hall asylum(close to dovecot&huyton)out on the sticks.
:0)
MurrintownLad 3 months ago
@MurrintownLad your the only wool who has a birth certificate saying Knowsley Safari Park , go home and visit your family in the monkey house !
goldroversix 3 months ago
Drunken idiots caused this...drunken idiots that happened to be Liverpool supporters. I don't think it's right to paint all the club's supporters with the same brush...just one man's opinion here.
frrrrrunkis 4 months ago
God, kill the Queen and her people
God, kill the Belgian and his police
kierke11 4 months ago
this stadium was hosting concerts and sports way before this final, so it was safe, its only when the hordes of murdering liverpool fans arrived and decided to smash up barriers and tear down walls that it was deemed to be unsafe, the world judged liverpool fans that night..and we found you guilty of murder, innocent families put to the sword by this scouse scum, its everton i feel sorry for, having to share a city with this lot, the shame they brought to merseyside.and the uk
goldroversix 5 months ago
@goldroversix the ground wasnt safe. this was the last ever event to be staged at heysel,that was decided before the final took place. and if you knew anything about 80's football you'd know liverpool werent even in the top 10 worst hooligan clubs...twat!
in2u2b 4 months ago
@in2u2b justice for the 39 slaughtered by shithouse liverpool fans who only attack fathers and sons who had no choice but to run..there is blood on liverpool fc hands and it wont wash off no matter what excuse you gang of knobheads come up with...most of you pretend it didnt happen, but guess what ? the world saw it happen thats why your fans served sentences for it...get your facts right TIT !
goldroversix 4 months ago
@goldroversix what facts have i got wrong?lfc fans caused heysel,no denying that. are you saying chelsea,west ham,man utd or leeds would have just stood there and let italians throw missiles at them? i suggest you look into some history of hooliganism in the 80's. like leeds at chelsea,leeds at derby,chelsea at derby,leeds at birmingham,man utd at norwich,millwall at luton...all major riots i can think of immediately. then come back with your facts...you complete wanker
in2u2b 4 months ago
@in2u2b blaming the stadium is a fact, wembley was demolished because it was old without a murderous bloodbath happening before it went, comparing your self to other fans is something only a deluded tosser like you would do, for a start how would you know they would behave like you shower did ? the chant of MURDERERS will follow the most hated fans in the world for evermore, and that is a FACT !
goldroversix 4 months ago
@goldroversix what a wanker you are. the taking of ends was common in our game in the 80's.there were running battles every weekend at one ground or another. havent you seen millwall at luton? leeds at chelsea,leeds at birmingham,leeds and chelsea at deby. fuckin hell it even went on in the lower leagues. you're a fucking self obsessed prick who comes on here for attention. bet you never been to a game in your life,.sky watchin wanker
in2u2b 4 months ago
@in2u2b your living proof that evolution can work in reverse, you knuckle dragging ape, without a doubt the biggest tosser ive come across on here ever, so well done for that ! your thick as shit logic is proof that the shithouse liverpool fans chose to take an end full of families, so wind your neck in you gibbering mong !
goldroversix 4 months ago
@goldroversixyou're living proof of the know fuck all big mouths who live their lives on the internet. you gob off from the safety of yourbedroom i bet if yer mam knew what you was doing she'd clip your earhole you.little prick! never been anywhere or done anything. i see you're obsessed with everything liverpool,i should be flattered.full of familles? another lie. in fact there were gobby ultras like you who thought they were safe behind a fence,then they ran! now i'm done with you knobhead.
in2u2b 4 months ago
@in2u2b another shithouse liverpool fan , who wants out when he hears the truth, thinks he is a sports casual because he bought the football factory dvd. go back to loserville you fucking bellend, population of 1 and thats you !
goldroversix 4 months ago
I remember this like it was yesterday, I remember where I was and what I was doing (watching the game in a caravan on holiday), I also remember bradford and Hillsborough - life long everton fan, gutted every time I see people die at a football match and yes, Juve fans were as much to blame
benjesolems 5 months ago
Much as i hate Liverpool I do remember Juve started the trouble but ran away when liverpool started back thus causin the wall to collapse. Not murdered it was a tragic accident brought on by violence on both sides. Wot did happen after the game was blanket ban on english clubs in europe, UEFAS way of ending the dominance of english clubs in european competition which then led 2 the italians winnin everythin.
dg691976 5 months ago
It is beyond belief that the game went ahead after that. R.I.P the Heysel, Ibrox, Bradford and Sheffield victims. Never forgotten
ISD14WORDS 5 months ago
justice for the 39 FIRST! condolences from Fulham FC West London. This day is not forgotten and never will be.
rightwingpob 5 months ago
@rightwingpob the 39 got justice. 26 went on trial for manslaughter,many were jailed. the ground was demolished,which was planned anyway. the belgian mayor and chief of police were sacked. the authorities took their share of the blame for poor policing,allocating italians tickets in the liverpool end,lack of adequate segregation,liverpool and other english clubs were banned from europe.
in2u2b 4 months ago
@rightwingpob you might think banning all english clubs was unfair,but thatcher recommended they do so. afterall english fans had been rampaging through europe for a decade and it was getting worse. we'd just had bradford,the millwall riot and leeds/chelsea/man utd and west ham were wrecking wherever they went week in week out. not to mention england fans !
in2u2b 4 months ago
RIP 39 YNWA
TrooperLFC 6 months ago
"If you want to understand the causes that existed in the past, look at the results as they are manifested in the present. And if you want to understand what results will be manifested in the future, look at the causes that exist in the present.."
(The Opening of the Eyes - The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin, Vol. 1, page 279)
mdr23 6 months ago
And after reading all comments... Does it really matter who did what to whom? Both sides were equally guilty... resulting in tragedy... And for what? A football game... Maybe its because I am a woman... we carry life and we put it on this earth... precious wonderfull life... No woman could ever start this... Time to adopt the Icelandic point of view... dottir (daughter) is the last name for all people there... women as the carriers of life...
bildtdijk 7 months ago
My God... I remember this... I guess I was about 22 when this happened. Remember my dad saying: what kind of species have we become? No other life form on earth would do this to one another, they'd kill alright but just for food, for survival... this can only be done by human kind... makes you wonder... sometimes I'd rather be an animal I guess.... Deepest sympathy for all souls that lost their lives in this total mahem... No-one deserves to die like this....
bildtdijk 7 months ago
...almeno spero che questo non succeda mai più..
L'uomo,troppo spesso,prende a calci il suo cervello...e guardate cosa succede.
..imparate uno Sport e vivrete meglio.
montebardia 8 months ago
@montebardia Well said, although I had to use a translator as I know no Italian. Too many comments here are from people who live to hate, continuing the worst possible vices in human nature.
mdr23 8 months ago 2
@mdr23
grazie,amico.
Un caro saluto a te.
Ciao
Luca Sardegna Italia
montebardia 8 months ago
death to english pigs.....COWARDS!!!!
only knife for english here in italy!!!
fingo92 8 months ago
@fingo92 Shut the fuck up you dirty italian cunt come to England and youll get digged into next week with fists. Cowards? only fucking pussys carry knifes around. Fucking iti cunt. Look at those fucking pussy juventus fans running into the corner like bitches. I hope your mom was under the rubble.
BRADxWBAFCxENG 5 months ago
@BRADxWBAFCxENG e sticazzi???
fingo92 5 months ago
the picture at 1:40 is tragic. how could liverpool fans do this ? they did this on purpose right?
shqiperiany 8 months ago
@shqiperiany They all took part but some from each "side" decided that the football wasn't enough. Both sides threw missiles. The crap stadium happened to collapse at the Italian end. On another day it may have been the other end. But without the violent intent inherent on that day, the stadium would have stood up as it had for years. I'm sure there was bad intent by some, but to collapse a wall wasn't it, and most folks died under the wall.
mdr23 8 months ago
The Liverpool fans charged them for heaven's sake!
turkeylad 7 months ago
@turkeylad Yes? If you expect me to defend this violent day or the actions of those in it, then you've asked the wrong person. Watching it again brings it all back; the day it happened and what I was doing that day (i.e. making this track).
mdr23 7 months ago
@mdr23
sure they both threw missiles- but it was liverpool fans who breached the dividel and invaded a section for the italian fans, the result was people pressing against the wall and the wall collapsing- thats more than bad intent- they may not have known the wall would collapse but thier illegal and violent actions caused it to collapse- so they are responsible
47issa 3 weeks ago
@shqiperiany They tried to crush a load of Italians on purpose?
Are you fucking retarded?
WolfgangVonPoserkila 4 days ago
@WolfgangVonPoserkila oh god . you retarded internet thug. shut the fuck up. it was a quesiton not a fucking comment you fucking twat.
shqiperiany 4 days ago
@shqiperiany lol you're a moron. Also learn to spell "question".
WolfgangVonPoserkila 4 days ago
@WolfgangVonPoserkila Ohh yes, the grammar Nazi thinks he's smart. You're the fucking moron. Learn how to write a proper sentence, douche.
shqiperiany 4 days ago
@shqiperiany How haven't I wrote a proper sentence? Weirdo.
It's not about being a grammar Nazi. It's about pointing out you're fucking retarded, which is obvious from the question...
DURRRR DID LIVERPOOL FANS DO DIS ON PURPOSE???
Fucking brain dead monkey...
WolfgangVonPoserkila 4 days ago
@WolfgangVonPoserkila Look at the starting of your sentence. Every sentence must start with capital letter.
2nd- Considering the fact you're the only fucking twat that responded to me with abusive language, again, you're also an internet thug with nothing better to do with your life but abuse people on the internet because the internet is where your kingdom is.
3rd- It was a legit question, considering Liverpool lost 1-0 so they decided to take it on their fans.
shqiperiany 4 days ago
@shqiperiany Forget the 3rd one.. It was a legit question obviously. Some fans are fucking hooligans you twatfuck.
shqiperiany 4 days ago
@shqiperiany I didn't use a capital once at a sentence start when I used the word "lol". That's because "Lol" looks stupid. You didn't use a capital letter in one of your replies so how the fuck can you even criticise me on that you weird hypocritical twat?
I abused you because this video is a sensitive topic and you waltz in implying that Liverpool fans attempted to cause a crush which they didn't even know would happen.
What you said was offensive, let alone fucking moronic.
WolfgangVonPoserkila 4 days ago
@WolfgangVonPoserkila So, do you know the answer why the Liverpool hooligans did this ? No. and by the way, i only started correcting you because you tried to be a fucking Nazi grammar.
I don't see it as offensive, i see it as my fucking opinion.
Talking to you, is like talking to a fucking wall!
shqiperiany 4 days ago
@shqiperiany It was an accident you idiot. Juve fans were throwing bottles & beating up a 10 year old Liverpool fan, the Liverpool fans ran through the barrier to retaliate & the Italians ran the other way like bullies.
It wouldn't have been so tragic or so sickening if people had been killed in a fight rather than an accidental crush. Liverpool fans just wanted to retaliate, not kill anyone. Uefa blamed Liverpool because it was Juve fans who died but it was both fans fault.
WolfgangVonPoserkila 4 days ago
And then they carried on with the match....!!
novadrian 8 months ago
@novadrian I think the players were kept in the dark. Saw the 20th anniversary on TV at the time, and watched it happen on telly '85. That " stadium" was a dump.
Noodles37UK 8 months ago
English football supporters really are scum...the lowest of the low...second only to the British armed forces...the cream of the scum.
novadrian 9 months ago
@novadrian
Man shut up, alot of innocent people died on both sides you make it sound like were all so violent when actually its only a handfull of crazed supporters dont u dare rule us all out, and look how far weve come now, were even ready to hold the Olympics in 2012, so no, a handfull used to be scum and the Armed Forces are you serious? Were the best trained in the world our Soldiers are so brave and do thier job proffesionally and effectively putting thier lives on the line for democracy
iSleepForever 9 months ago
@iSleepForever You assume I'm not British...I am. + What on earth does the Olympics have to do with any of this? +"...putting their lives on the line for democracy...."!? Really?? Who spun you that one? British intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with democracy and never had. There are dozens of locations in the world with no democracy. Do British forces get sent there...no, of course not...so why Iraq and Afghanistan? Did the people there ask for intervention? No.
novadrian 8 months ago
they had to shoot all those pieces of shit they run against juventus funs
staygold2gr 9 months ago
they had to shoot all those pieces of shit they run against juventus funs
staygold2gr 9 months ago
Just another full of shit, fallacy 101, racst-evagelist fail.
Quintonir 10 months ago
(cont.) I'm not even certain what you're attempting to say when you gracelessly smash words together and call them responses. Are you trying to argue a belief system? Surely nobody is so stupid as to argue something entirely based on faith?
mdr23 stated that he believed things happen in the universe by the principle of cause and effect. Then you immediately shat a brick and started gibbering on about nothing relevant, further highlighting your lack of understanding.
Quintonir 10 months ago
@custardaghost. I suggest you watch some My Name Is Earl,since that would probably explain karma in words that you understand. It's also quite funny.
Further benefits of watching tv instead of posting on YouTube include: not illustrating to the world your inability to understand basic philosophical principles; not showing the world that you don't understand logical argument or fallacies; not highlighting that you lack the ability to process reason.
Quintonir 10 months ago
how can anyone say hillsborough was heysels justice? them 96 people were just as innocent as these 39 .. we've waited 22 years for justic for the 96 so dont dare disrespect them!
jtf 96 <3
mandsox 10 months ago
@mandsox fair play mate. too many people commenting with long words and complete bollox. I or my family we're not involved, but that does not mean we cannot share the grief of sheffield or the debacle of a decrepit non league stadium in belgium as a venue. 96 too many. regards and thoughts ,COYS .
MrShreks11 10 months ago
wops wanted it they got it. i know i was there.
beryldunn 11 months ago
Any disaster where ordinary football fans got to watch a game of football and don't come home is sickening, anyone losing their life also. and i dont blame any one set of fans for heysel - but a certain section of both fans need to take a good look at themselves.
TheFatweegee 11 months ago
"justice was only served on Liverpool "fans" both in Italy and karmically in later disasters"
OMG. That's sick.
oldschoolste 1 year ago
@oldschoolste
Not sick. It's the Buddhist principle of cause and effect at work. Quoting from the Wikipedia article on Karma (and karmic retribution):
"Karma is not punishment or retribution but simply an extended expression or consequence of natural acts"
What is sick are the comments from folk below who just wish to prolong the hate so that the "war" lasts forever. They live to hate.
mdr23 1 year ago
@mdr23 Justice was served in later disasters??? Stick the word Karma in all you like, the key word here is Justice. What you're basically saying is that the 96 Hillsbrough victims were justice for Heysel.
Heysel was a terrible tragedy. Neither sets of fans are angels, so don't be naive and point the finger solely at LFC fans. The policing of that game was a major factor. Even at the Athens 07 CL final it was primative. Dangerous infact.
oldschoolste 1 year ago
@oldschoolste
If I said "poetic justice" then that would've been more accurate perhaps, if that's the word you wish to focus on, but if instead of getting fumed you read the words I wrote more carefully then you'll realise that I never, not for one instant, pointed my finger solely at the Liverpool folk.
Karma extends through time. Hillsborough and Bradford are not the "justice" of which you speak delivered by an avenging hand god-like from above but a consequence of a host of prior actions.
mdr23 1 year ago
@mdr23
Also, the consequences for all prior actions do not have to be like the Jewish eye-for-an-eye sort of consequences either. They can be in many forms. For instance, examine the state of football, policing or politics in the UK & Italy. I'd say many things have changed since 1985 in the UK, wouldn't you? I'd say that the karma in Italy is the same.
mdr23 1 year ago
@mdr23
I apologise for sticking the word karma in, but that is what I believe. I also think that UK's karma as a consequence of the last 2 centuries is still being played out. Italy's likewise.
And I repeat;
"What is sick are the comments from folk below who just wish to prolong the hate so that the "war" lasts forever. They live to hate."
mdr23 1 year ago
@mdr23
"What is sick are the comments from folk below who just wish to prolong the hate so that the "war" lasts forever. They live to hate."
You've lost me here. Just what is the difference between that and your religion's principle of karma consequences? That one which you explained to us here quoting the Intertubes of Wikipedia and then proceeded to explain and morally defend?
custardaghost 10 months ago
@custardaghost
I think that you're playing possum or devil's advocate here. The difference is plainly obvious. Karma is not some retributive act from all all-seeing god. It is a consequence of our (which means at the personal and the group level) actions, commonly called the law of cause and effect. Because all things are interconnected we all bear responsibility for things that happen.
mdr23 10 months ago
@mdr23
Using the football analogy, the violent behaviour and animalistic actions of two decades of supporters led to the UK erecting barriers to cage fans in their areas. The consequence of this was that events at Hillsborough and Bradford meant there was no escape for the trapped people. Since then, UK football was banned from Europe for ages and barriers were removed and all-seater stadia implemented.
mdr23 10 months ago
@mdr23
Of course, if UK football as a whole hadn't been so violently anilmalist then stadia could have remained as they'd been for 70 years..... We've yet to see what happens in Italy where truly atrocious behaviour carries on much as it has done, mostly due to its roots in Italy's city state past before its unification.
mdr23 10 months ago
@mdr23 Not necessarily - many older stadia were unsafe even without thuggery. Just look at the fire at Bradford City.
mrada2001 10 months ago
@mrada2001 But thuggery exposes the weaknesses in the structures. A few weeks back we had the Celtic-Rangers blow up which reminded me of the Ibrox disaster and also the Rangers fans running amok through Newcastle back in the 60s/70s.
Football is one haunt of the animalistic behaviour inherent in all humans. This puts the onus on everyone to behave themselves or else bad things happen as we've seen.
mdr23 10 months ago
@mdr23
So you are the reason your child is disturbed/retarded/deformed?
Hateful, isn't it? But that is what you are saying, you fuckwit.
custardaghost 10 months ago
@custardaghost The soundbite kid strikes again. I'd be pleased to hear your solution/reason to humanity's problems that could fit in the 400 char Youtube limit.
Probably be just a soundbite though.
Meanwhile the dead are still dead, football carries on while on and off the field people kick the shit out of each other. My reason why this is so? A. People let it happen. If more folk objected with action instead of platitudes to football's animality, then things would change.
mdr23 10 months ago
@mdr23
No, your reason is "karma".
If that isn't a "soundbite" then I dunno what is.
custardaghost 9 months ago
@custardaghost Karma is a word that encompasses the concept of "cause and effect". We're still waiting on your explanation and solution to humanity's problems.
If you don't think that any problems exist or that problems are unsolvable and thus to continue as we are is the only course of action, then cause and effect also explains why you'd think that way. So far though, it's slings and arrows fired at the messenger from you with no constructive comment at all.
mdr23 9 months ago
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custardaghost 10 months ago
@mdr23
SO this is your fault? AH!
Another full of shit, Philosophy 101, Chistian-hippy fail.
custardaghost 10 months ago
@mdr23
Don't get the difference, pls explain. In your own words, and with examples.
custardaghost 10 months ago
As a reminder, I made this video to express my feelings of disgust at the violence inherent in humanity. The genesis of its creation can be found in my commentary at the top, but essentially, we (the band Crawling Chaos) had just recorded it and put the telly on quiet while listening to our recording.... The Heysel events were unfolding just before our eyes, (many of images now appearing in my little video), so the music and images are forever linked in my mind.
It is called ART.
mdr23 1 year ago
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codyenglish 1 year ago
Both this and the Hillsborough disaster were awful.Looking at the photos it looks as though the Italian fans who suffered were the older people and the kids.
Im sure the fans of Liverpool did not set out to cause death.Those involved have to live with what they did.All they had to do was stay on their own side of the fence.The ground was poor,the security was poor but it does not mean you have to break through and riot.
JackieP1978 1 year ago 10
i remember it like it was only yesterday people dying for no reason what so ever and still these thugs still didnt learn when in 1989 went on and killed their own people in hillsborough do these people ever learn.
MultiBeaker1 1 year ago
@MultiBeaker1 you are disgusting. the hillsborough tragedy was an accident. too many people crammed into a pen. they got crushed just standing there. now fuck off and die you sicko.
racewalkingrules 1 year ago
There is something inherently wrong with European soccer fans and the communities that nurture this kind of behavior. One wonders if soccer was abolished, would these same "people" riot in the streets or local malls? Hooligans are not just boys getting into mischief, they are criminals bred from a skewed upbringing.
46desi 1 year ago
Regardless of what happened this day, the stadium, policing, fans etc. \it would be interesting to know what UEFA would do forexample, if in the modern age if a fan stabbed another fan in a Euro game. Oh wait...Italians did it last week, nothing happened. If it happened in England they would be thrown out...
jakeprice11 1 year ago
Let me state for the record, Football Holligans do not just come from England each country has had its share, I remember when this happened and can tell you, both so called supporters are to blame, the English just didn,t wear bandana round their faces and throw poles so lets be fair, it was a terrible tragedy which never should have happened.
Mroselee4 1 year ago
Earlier this morning I learnt of the Hillsborough disaster and shed a tear for the tragedy as my heart broke for the Liverpool fans. I linked to this and am now confused and angry at the Red Animals. Their own craziness that manifested here ended up killing so many more of their own on home soil.
camdogg1977 1 year ago
@camdogg1977
Utter ignorant tripe.as racewalkingrules has already stated, Hillsborough was an accident and no responsibility can be put at the Liverpool fans' door.
Doniedaff 1 year ago
Put some sharpshooters with .223s on
the roof. You start assaulting and hurting
innocent men, women, or children and
BANG you arent here anymore. Sorry
that sounds harsh and heartless but
it's better than this :-(
ChristopherSaindon 1 year ago
This happend in a so called civilized country. Makes me sick to my stomach
carbidutz 1 year ago
HATE liverpool REDS ANIMALS
never forget!!!!
lelex80 1 year ago
oh yeah great music and great vid ! fuckin football fans ,no pity they deserve to die
pourhi 1 year ago
so sorry RIP.
freqeist 1 year ago
Both sides misbehaved terribly ! But the majority of victims were just older and very young people, many families actualy ... who were the victim of other peoples mad and violent behaviour at that terrible day ! For everybody who loves this sport, that was a tragic and shamefull day. When i see all those names i just feel sick in my stomach !!! Rest in Peace all of them !!! Love and passion for the game is good , but don't kill for it !!
Borat911 1 year ago
fuck england kill the shits english!
ULTRAS
gio739 1 year ago
JUSTICE FOR HEYSEL WAS HILLSBOROUGH.
LongevityMUFC 1 year ago
@LongevityMUFC There are no winners here, even fools who wish to have a cheap shot at a rival club - as if United or any English football club at the time did not have a problem with violent fans. It is beyond doubt that an element within the Liverpool fans were to blame for the rioting that caused the crowd crush, but the Juventus Ultras were involved in escalating that fight as well, I think that is accepted. However the point is innocent people died here, as they did at Hillsborough, R.I.P
5050TESTBED 1 year ago
@LongevityMUFC sick twat.
mandsox 10 months ago
bastardi inglesi .....
giunteria 1 year ago
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miisu 1 year ago
I remember a Juventus "fan", (said to be the son or nephew of the Juventus owner from my memory), waving a gun around on the pitch, shown on national TV.
Strangely, I cannot find a single image of this on the web although everyone seems to remember it. I don't know the reason for this, but ultimately, justice was only served on Liverpool "fans" both in Italy and karmically in later disasters.
..."Tragically, the underlying tribal and xenophobic attitudes are still prevalent today."
mdr23 1 year ago
..."What is really tragic is that the underlying tribal and, to put it mildly, xenophobic attitudes amongst so-called fans and the police that lead to this and other tragedies are still prevalent twenty-five years on."
mdr23 1 year ago
god, kill the queen and all the English bastards.
red animals!
iarusso 1 year ago
@iarusso fuk off bitch
cliffcartman 1 year ago
reds animals!!!!
iarusso 1 year ago
@iarusso your mum is a red animal
cliffcartman 1 year ago
@rottweilerfromhell please shut up,you'd better not talk anymore!
b3rry24 1 year ago
BASTARDI
giunteria 1 year ago
BASTARDI INGLESI
BASTARDI
giunteria 1 year ago
@giunteria your mother is a bastardo
cliffcartman 1 year ago
@cliffcartman fuck off british piece of shite
carbidutz 1 year ago
all because of the fucking football game...sometimes it's almost impossible to me to imagine how big human stupidity can be.
tootapunk 1 year ago
I hope that someday, those damn hooligans who go to the stadium just to beat others, some are mad that you brought inside with a gun who began firing on him ... so ... random!
To all Italian victims, innocent people ... families, children, women. RIP from italy.
dedalus899 1 year ago
chaos. this sounds better than ever to me . .how is things. shieldsy dead . . .
dadswizz 2 years ago
I wish I had never watched it.
Terrible. Feel sick.
BurkeHare1 2 years ago 11
oh yes :/
fuschax3 2 years ago
Tragic - very tragic.
penguinjeff 2 years ago
All you people who in some way were the cause of this, well how do you feel now?
r1wantone 2 years ago
Exactly. What were they thinking?
mdr23 2 years ago
and the match still went ahead after this... incredible...
czechchick07 2 years ago
Tragedy.
This was the only clip with the original band Crawling Chaos, (The Gas Chair LP early -80s, Humulctus Equinox MC cassette earky 80-s. Hope some day these albums will come out a second time. Its so worth it.
Trgr66 2 years ago
Harrowing pictures, though. Terrible tragedy. RIP also the Ivory Coast victims.
zxychesatz349 2 years ago
Hey, bloody ace tune, this!
zxychesatz349 2 years ago