Thom Hartman on Obama Pt1

[ratednine]

what? real news from Washington DC. lol

[Lightmane321]

I think Thom should run for President. America needs him, or someone like him.

[Petekiv]

@Lightmane321

hartman is pretty cute, but he's dating bawney fwank!

[tombeardman]

Thom Hartmann is about the smartest political commentator out on the airwaves right now.

[SokPop77]

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[CrimeReport]

How come every liberal looks like an effeminate homosexual?

[mobilechief]

Perhaps you are in possession of blinders?

[HarveyRex23]

The "private sector", for the most part. Doesn't want to create jobs. Because most of them see American employees as financial liabilities due to the fact that Americans demand a livable salary, and that their health care be provided by their private employers.. But I guess I'm not surprised that President Obama wants 90% of his job creation program be in the "private sector". By in large, the "Private sector" outsources jobs, not creates them. Privatize profits, socialize their losses.

[HarveyRex23]

I laugh when all these willfully retarded redneck teabaggers label President Obama a "liberal". Even though in reality, Obama is a "Corporate Centrist Democrat", at best. As far as his taxing policies goes, if you compare Obama to Eisenhower. Eisenhower was more a of tax and spend liberal than Obama by a wide margine. I believe under Eisenhower, tax rate was at a whopping 90% when trying to balance the budget. And in spite of that fact, Obama is still the BIg GOV'T liberal.

[micahgee]

@HarveyRex23

In many ways, Obama is more right wing than even Reagan!

[chewbaca1989]

July 26th, FEMA runs National Terrorist readiness drills.

Terrorist attacks seem to happen when drills are run by FEMA.

Economy will get worse, predictably worse.

[torque122]

Thom is the best talk host along with Malloy--great information every show. He is finally coming around to figuring out Obama is a corporate POS just like Clinton for the Dem side.

[rayme4raw]

Obama is not going to fix the economy. We are getting very close to where the Federal Government will no longer be able to print money out of thin air due to inflation and foreigners will not buy our debt. Higher taxes are not possible without causing tax revolts in America. The Federal Government has become to corrupt to continue.

[charr05]

check out economyincrisis. org for more about the Obama administration

[JMehrman]

Am I saying our system is perfect? NO. Are there loopholes ... maybe. I just think that anyone who has a slightly better than average mind, a hard work ethic, and a bit inventive can pull themselves out of poverty and run their own business. If more people had that mentality ... more would have jobs, more product would be produced, spending would go up, there we go again .. another perpetuating system. There are plenty of other choices ... people don't always have to choose to be a victim.

[JMehrman]

..... providing incentive for other successful businesses to plop down, thereby perpetuating the entire cycle again.

Look I'm sure there are just as many books out there that would refute the books you recommended. See how long those titles are? They get straight to the point don't they. Seems ironic these NYT reporters investigate the so called greed of corporatism while raking in the cash from sensationalized titles meant to entice ....

[spiritsA]

Incentivizing the auto consumers... you mean at this point in time where the government acquired GM right?

That makes sense. But it wouldn't make sense if you said it a month ago.

[IYAMNI]

No contest. Just pointing out you never read marx, only used him to sound left.

And I never said Obama is awesome, just pointed out that you didn't know he was a centrist ... or what a centrist is.

I criticize the left too, but try to make sense. You are just spewing rhetoric and you are using the same attack strategies as the freepers... attack, change topic, avoid substance etc...

Look, I can see you're a poser, I am sure others can too... but I just can't figure out the angle.

[IYAMNI]

In other words, you never really read marx... probably have no idea what he wrote... You have nothing but a superficial understanding of the complexities of the politics global capitalism.... you thought Obama was a liberal... you confuse generalities with substance... you're a provocateur... right?... one of those fright wingers who gets paid to post invective?

BTW, I am an organic vegetarian except an occasional salmon... what was that about?. Was I supposed to be insulted?

[IYAMNI]

For those wondering if I was talking to myself, I was not. elgringorumbero deleted his comments. Another freeper has been exposed.

[JMehrman]

The one thing you cannot deny is the only reason Obama is in office is 2 major reasons.

1) Far sweeping media bias across most of the major news networks.

2)He's black and the Obama Girl thought he was hot.

That's the bottom line and there isn't a single thing that can refute these facts.

[IYAMNI]

Once again, when your rhetoric is so far removed from any semblance of reason, the only ones who listen to you are other irrational people. But I think it's good that you post such nonsense. It is a clear indication of a dissociated, desperate consistency.

Obama is in office because Republians spent the last 8 years screwing this country and even the sane among you can see it. The left should be grateful to GOP incompetence and corruption for our landslide victory. So thank you.

[JMehrman]

You FAIL sir! lol

[IYAMNI]

No... you failed... in Nov 2008. And you will fail again in 2010 and 2012, primarily because of inanity and hubris. So please, keep it up. Looking forward to 8 years of Democratic majority. :-)

[JMehrman]

Oy Vey!  *smacks forehead*

[IYAMNI]

Ja, das Reich ist vorbei. ;-(

[deepwater1974]

You know that democracy is mob rule which means 51% says 49% have no rights. That was not what the USA was founded on. "and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands" Not democratic. But I'm sure I'll get some shit on this comment because so many people are still blind to what is going on. I dont support McCain or Obama but Obama has spent more money than the past three presidents combined before him. But hell..who cares...because he's a good speaker and he says words like "yes we can".

[DanMorgan98]

You are right. The US is a Republic that has become more Democrat. The US was established on the model of the Roman Republic.

[mharris666]

ya and we were also founded on the idea that only white men who owned land could vote, and blacks were considered 3/5 of a person

[medicatedsaint]

All I can say is LOL. You believe in fairy tales, you spout fairy tales. Yes, I agree we have problems. Yes there is some nasty corruption going on on BOTH sides.

But Jesus is coming anyway. So really, really, why do you care?

Pointless.

[deepwater1974]

I dont see how fairy tales fit into my comment.

[Ansiroth]

Jesus is comming, he comes up once a day and hangs around the sky for in-between 8 and 16 hours. then he goes away for around 16 to 8 hours.

[medicatedsaint]

ROFL

[MasterTibby]

Actually, you're wrong Deepwater1974. Democratic and republic and completely synonymous. This was understood until the early 1800s and is why some of our first presidents' political views are considered democratic-republic. On another note, where are you getting your info on presidental spending? Obama may have spent a lot, but nothing even close to what Bush spent while in office. I think you should research some things instead of just saying the first thing that go through your mind.

[deepwater1974]

And no I am not wrong what a democracy is.

[tigerone1970]

" Actually, you're wrong Deepwater1974. Democratic and republic and completely synonymous. "

That statement means that you are:

a) a republican and want people to be so disillusioned with the democratic process, that they won't show up to vote like they did last time, or

b) you are a Ron Paul/Lyndon Larouche/Ralph Nader supporter, which means you want people to vote for a candidate without a party, who stands no chance of getting elected.

Get inside, and pull them to the left.

[MasterTibby]

First off, don't tell me what I am or am not!!! Because by the statement you just made, I know you have know idea what I AM!

Secondly, I'm not talking about Republicans or Democrats. I'm talking about what a democracy and a republic are, and they are synonmous.

[meinLiebsterFeind]

Republic and Democractic were never "synonymous". That's why this (the USA) is called a Democratic Republic. Are you calling it redundant? Go educate yourself.

[gregonamus]

Democracy and a Republic are NOT synonymous. Plato, who wrote "The Republic" (from which we get the name and definition) thought that democracy was bad and wrote it in order to counter it! A true democracy has ALL laws made and voted on by the people. A republic has representatives making the decisions for the people. See! completely different. Plato didn't think the masses were wise enough to wisely run a government. The death of Socratese drove this conclusion.

YOU should research!

[MasterTibby]

I'm sorry to tell you... but, you are still wrong. We don't get the word republic from that book. The word "republic" comes from the latin words "res publica" which means "public affairs." And, republic truly just means a government with no king, so if we are to use that definition, I would say you are correct, the words are not synonymous. But, the common usage of the word is to describe a democracy, which means "rule by the people either directly or through elected representatives".

[gregonamus]

Its funny that you look to a public encyclopedia like Wiki, which is open to such false info that no college will accept it as a resource, for your information. I, on the other hand, rely on peer-review journals, historical texts, and a wide brevity of sources that comes with a developed education.

You're only describing the different ways in which a Democracy can be formed, not the direct meaning of what a Democracy means. See, my info comes from a higher IQ pool than yours, you fool!

[MasterTibby]

Haha... you pompus ass. Face it! You are WRONG!!!! Calling me names, or stupid, will not make you right. I could careless about your peer-reviews, or where you think I got my info. To drive the point home, let's see who Webster's sides with, but knowing you, you will say they are stupid too. Webster's definition for democracy - n. government by the people, usually through elected representatives. Haha... that looks like your definition for republic. I think that's funny, don't you!!!

[IYAMNI]

Oops. That should be 'constituency'... not consistency. There's nothing consistent on the right. ;-)

[IYAMNI]

Obama needs no apology and I am surprised that you object to the death of women and children. Isn't that how you build a shining path?

Yes, we are the only country that kills people to forward our political agenda. You caught us! Nothing slips by you.

But I have to wonder, what is the purpose of your hyperbolic bile? Do you really think rational people will respond to that stuff? Or is it one of those 'good cop/insane cop' games?

It's not working.

[IYAMNI]

BTW, the point wasn't to side with Obama, but that he is a centrist... and you keep calling him a liberal... a progressive even. If you are so astute and educated how in the fk could you make such a politically adolescent mistake? I mean... that kinda stupid... innit?

[IYAMNI]

Nice serve, but addled by simplistic analysis and presumptions.

You read Marx? Was it the Readers Digest condensed edition?

1st Obama is NOT a progressive, or even a liberal. D'UH?. He's a democrat. Not only is he a centrist dem, but he's only been in office for 6 mo going up against entrenched power.

2nd, Afghanistan isn't under attack by Obama, they are under attack by big oil and orporatocracy which controls much of our gov't.

Rhetoric and reality rarely coincide.

[IYAMNI]

Here's the problem on the right, when your rhetoric becomes so absurd that any rational person can see through it, then only irrational people will listen to you. And when then only people you can talk to are irrational, then they become your only constituency. Then, in order to keep them you have to keep upping the ante on the rhetoric until it grows to Colbert-esque proportions of absurdity and you propose liberal policies lead to fascism.... but by then nobody sane is listening.

[poop121]

such as...

[DeraJa]

FDR?! How is a president whose polices stretched a depression out to totally unnecessary lengths anything but evil?

[JSparkleZ2]

Lately a lot of people like to hate on FDR but I find that those are the people who didn't live in the era...

Ask your grandparents he pulled this country back to it's feet... And that's what every worker said when he was in office...

[Isaac707]

I used to really like Thom Hartmann but I think not that much anymore. He seems like a zombie

[MatteNoob]

Part #3

ride, buying these "assets". ie: FMae & FMac had access to extremely cheap credit. This made the market around these loans flow with liquidity and the prices rose, even though there was no rational reason for them to do so. The only reason was failed govt. policy -- socialistic policy that is.

When you hear shit in the media and everyone agrees, the rule of the thumb is to look the other way.

It is not what they say that is important. It is what they aren't saying.

[MatteNoob]

Part #2

The left always promote big govt. and benefits for their voters. The burden of paying for these benefits is always placed on someone else.

They also rely on ignorance. They lie, lie, lie -- like saying that the financial crisis is the result of greedy Wallstreet.

It isn't. Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac was secured by the govt. and they made them give loans to people that didn't afford it. They called it "affordable housing", and FMae and FMac took all the investment banks along for the r

[MatteNoob]

I thought the Real News was a non partisan news channel, but at the end he is obviously not non-partisan.

TRNN is just a chill for sure. They also push leftish politics, which is bad.

By reducing (or raising) taxes you will see the laffer curve in effect. When the tax burden is too big, people stop producing. We need a free market to get the world out of this mess. Not power hungry politicians craving power.

[Dutchoven08]

MatteNoob: Your opinion of "leftish politics" being "bad" says it all.

Go watch Pat Robertson and Dick Cheney in a love triangle with Newt Gin-grinch. Once you're either fed up or eager to join in, you'll have either evolved or taken the bait.

Commonwealths always rely on taxes to run on. The function of Government is to organize a society based on the common well being. The uber-rich 1/10 of 1% in this country earn more than 80% of us combined and pay little or no taxes.Yer all for that, huh?

[JMehrman]

"The function of Government is to organize a society based on the common well being." I would agree you but also add that the "common well being" should be determined and facilitated by the individuals that make up the "common".

Where do you get off saying the "uber-rich" pay little or no taxes?

[Dutchoven08]

JMehrman, read "Free Lunch:How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (and Stick You with the Bill),

"Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich--and Cheat Everybody Else"

or any of the dozens of well footnoted investigations on how our richest 1/10 of 1% make the vast majority of $ and find ways to offshore, tax cheat, re-write tax laws to favor then, buy politicians etc.

our Mid-class has shrunk for the benefit of wealthiest

[JMehrman]

Since the the two who authored these horrifically biased books are from the NYTimes, I think I'll pass. It 's still being widely debated that Walmart is more or less beneficial to the areas that surround them. I would be quick to say that culturally those areas are devastated, I mean who in their right mind wouldn't want a mom and pop joint providing your every need when the dark cold robotic goliath of a store Walmart would offer lower prices, maybe some jobs, ... continued

[JMehrman]

I agree ... it seems they have this spider like approach and they shun and try to shut down other networks or should I say network (singular). MSNBC's (GE's propaganda machine) Olbermann sucks the blood of O'Reilly, Hannity, and Rush on a daily basis. Pelosi on hand thinks Air America should be carried by the tax payer in 2006, and the fairness doctrine should applied against conservative radio. Ratings (Americans) support the conservative voice.

[putittogether]

Tom Hartman is an HERO. FASCISM NOW FASCISM FOREVER!!!

[56gig]

You speak about 'having' to sit and watch Fox News and come off like they're the liars?

I guess CBS, NBC, ABC, CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, PPS and others weren't covering the important issues of the day?

You don't want to admit your 'boy' has changed his agenda since hoodwinking the American people.

You'd be wise to shut your mouth now because when the American people find how they've been lied to by media control

that's gonna be one pissed off population.

There'll be no controlling that mob.

[andystokie]

when are you guys going to get a Austrian economist on to explain how the federal reserve creates the boom and bust cycle ? .

[sradss1]

Not sure who this guy is, but he's not very bright. Seems to me like a typical lefty, who thinks we can simply spend our way out of debt. This IS Obama's economy now, jackass! The days of blaming Bush is over.. So thus, if the economy becomes worse, the Republicans WILL gain seats in Congress in 2010, because it WILL be Obama and the lefty Dems's fault. Cutting corporate taxes will increase jobs and increase cosumer confidence. Reckless spending will bankrupt us and put us in debt FOREVER!

[Umberto2]

Actually Thom Hartmann is pretty damn smart, very well read, and a good scholar. We can spend our way out of a crisis - that's how this works. We can't spend our way out of debt, but that's the problem we have to deal with. Simply not spending money will destroy this country's economy. It's not like managing your household. Cutting taxes doesn't do shit. That game is up. You had your chance for that and it failed miserably.

[jwinter228]

I think Thom is a smart guy but I don't agree with a 3-4 trillion dollar stimulus. 40 years of deficits, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid out of control are huge problems and the cost of capital for borrowing could put the nail in the coffin. Furthermore, it's quite obvious that we've been living beyond our means - reinflating the bubble (and low interest rates from the fed) could make things even worse. Same with health care - get the gov't out of bed w/ health care industry first!

[DennyMclain2008]

the same bankers that ran bush run obama. thom knows this... so blame THE BANKERS! stop being a marxist dupe thom... you are too smart for this lil game any longer. you know the oligarchs orchestrated this collapse... roosevelt was a puppet also.

please stop playing this game on the american public, i listened to your simulcast with alex jones. you know what is going on... stop playing the propaganda fake left/right paradigm.

[UnderseaCaveman]

Hartman in his analysis forgot the "Iron Law of Wages".... As you increase Wages, you increase the cost of goods/services, which cancel the increase Wages.

Wealth in materials and services can only be achieved on a collective level thru increased Productivity. We have Peaked, because the liquid that continues to force-multiple Human effort has Peaked===namely, Petroleum...

Good bye Collective Wealth, hello Misery!!!

[4funFlicks]

and if you hate bailouts watch this /watch?v=fovlBsczWvg

[jjrglobal]

Where you gonna get the 14 trillion Thom?

1. Private sector through taxes

2. Borrow it, in which case it still comes from the private sector

3. Print it and debase our currency, in which case it still comes from the private sector

When you take money from the private sector you take away it's ability to create new jobs. The government has nothing but a printing press and a ski mask

[mabusmojo66]

Stop making excuses !

[porkchopexpress07]

Where are the job programs?

[oldhacks]

"it seems so rational and obvious to you. and it seems so rational and obvious to me"

see this is where you inject a good dose of DIrect Democracy and we just pass the laws that OBVIOUSLY need passing. representative government doesn't work. It's broken beyond repair SO we either take the wheel or go down with the ship.

[MonsterIsrael]

Why no country want to do business with USA

[JMehrman]

Why every country able to browse the internet?

[deckchairs1]

Expect a False Flag attack in a few months. news events match those of June 01 in the leadup to 9-11, ie fasttracking students & scientist entry into the u.s. in 15 instead of 75 days since post-9-11. There are 3 more stories like deja vu`.

The stock market is really around 6,500, 2,000 under the b.s. report.

A false flag will crash the market Then a draft (quick-quick pass it).

Pay attention to events in the M.E. while NKorea is demonized in the news.

Crash of opportunity.

[aikido7]

Great insights. Hardly any economist pays attention to supply/demand. The problem that emerges from Thom's analysis is that Obama's pragmatism is useless against the right-wing's ability to muddy the waters & ignore factual evidence.

A look at some of the comments here ("dances around the real problem & never says anything," or "Thom Hartman doesn't get it") drive home that many Americans use base emotion to generalize &mischaracterize to obfuscate the truth and promote superficailism.

[bbburton]

Crap. Did I say crap? I meant bullshit. This idiot dances all around the real problem and never says anything that resembles the truth.

[malerror]

Thom Hartman doesnt get it. Interviewer said GM could be making Green forms of transportation . read; trains. Hartmans a CIA gate keeper I guess.

[siradam575]

Huh?

[hamletundone]

O just gave that 14 trillion (GDP) to the bankers...he's not a socialist or a capitalist...his choice was to take the fascist route. Agnelli would be pleased.

[captcrais101]

I love Thom.  He is one of the smartest progressive talk show hosts ever.

[JMehrman]

Well ... he did leave Air America ... I'll give him that.

[tajlee1]

These two need to review history. Hoover and Roosevelt both aggravated the Depression, just as the Bush administration and the current administration are extending this Depression by bailing out banks and otehr corporations. This is not socialist - more of a perverse corporate fascist paradigm under left cover. The tax breaks for the middle class are dwarfed by the $14 trillion in bailouts to corporations. This whole government is corrupt and needs to be overhauled immediately.

[JMehrman]

So .. if they couldn't generate enough listeners by virtue of their message alone ... I guess taxpayers should bail out a network of a specific point of view? How Hugo Chavez of her.

[JMehrman]

Thom Hartmann was a liberal commentator for Air America ... a failed network that was .. well ... let's have Nancy Pelosi fill us in: “In other words, Rep. Pelosi said, Air America represents the heart and soul of our great Democrat strategy for transforming government. Its a model that deserves, in fact requires, preservation by the taxpayers.

[toosinbeymen]

Air America isn't a failed network. It's still in business. It is, as you say, a liberal network but its best people have moved on or taken other gigs.

[captcrais101]

Air america is not longer liberal The management is bought and paid for. There are progressive talk show hosts on air america but the mangement are not progressive. If they were, then why did they get rid of Mike Malloy or Randi Rhodes?

[PoliticalSkeptic]

Well Randi Rhodes made some extremely bad statements towards Hilary Clinton on a show which was sponsored by Air America.  If they were like Limbaughs network those words would have been celebrated and she would still be there. Regardless Hilary is a progressive and a lot of progessive radio hosts were in the Tank for Obama and were attacking Hilary with the exception of Bill Press and to a latter extent Thom Hartman.

[captcrais101]

Randi made thise comments when she was at a comedy club. Not when she was on the air. Liberal talk show hosts should be allowed to critize democratic polticans. Hillary deserved it.

[PoliticalSkeptic]

You are correct. she was NOT on the Air but that comedy show had Air America's name involved in it. She is allowed to criticize democratic politicians. Calling someone a whore is different than criticism. I mean listen to Stephanie Miller and some of the things she said about Hillary. She was rough but didn't go that far.

[JMehrman]

It filed chapter 11 in October of 2006.

[makeitallrite]

There is no left or right just one corrupt

government machine.

[Dedhedted71]

These guys need to go watch some Peter Schiff videos!

[JMehrman]

no kidding!

[JMehrman]

FOX never says the economy is in bad shape because of Obama, what they do say is Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac had lot to do with it (funny how that didn't even enter into the discussion here). They do heavily criticize his stimulus plan, the thousands of earmarks, and the fact that he rushed all this through congress because we were in a "state of emergency". We will be hit by terrorists again ... it is only a matter of time.

[jonz23m]

umm this dude forgot to mention that back then us was the most creditor nations. Why these people keep comparing this crisis to the great depression anyway? There r sooo many factors right now that are different. Too many lunatics on the left and the right get too much airtime.

[JMehrman]

The right get too much airtime? Fox news and their affiliates are alone in a sea of leftist "progressive" crap that people in America gobble up because it's "hip" and they're always after the "new black". The other networks are NBC, CBS,ABC, MSNBC, and CNN. 20 to 30 years ago there was more objectivity in their little finger than they have today. So FOX deserves at least one platform to speak.

[AmNotHere911]

LOL! Fox News is the least self-aware newsbroadcastor in the media: Bill O'Reilly berates the dominance of non-right news organisations yet at the same time brag about his station's high ratings: LOL!

[JMehrman]

You contradict yourself. LOL!

[AmNotHere911]

Read my post: Note how my proposition "Fox News is the least self-aware broadcastor" by my linkage of this statement "O'Reilly berates dominance of non-right news organisations" with "brag about his station's high ratings" = Proposition, statement, conclusion: Learn how to think logically or better still get an enducation; and before you declaim me as socialist why don't you read up on Marx's Das Kapital and find out what Marx meant?

[JMehrman]

Why don't you tell me what Marx meant .. in your words.

[siradam575]

Why don't you read some and find out what Marx meant...in his own words.

[JMehrman]

I am quite familiar with it. I think our current model of capitalism is just fine the way it is. Well .. save for the socio-economic impact the left has had on it of course. We wouldn't be in this mess if they would have just left it alone.

[hugegiantfrogs]

yeah, we don't operate in anything even remotely resembling capitalism anymore, at least not a free market capitalism. Telephone companies 50 years ago that were "too successful" because of monopoly were forced into destruction, and now companies too unsuccessful are being kept afloat, it's insanity..

[flyhead2]

The huge militarised economy is another thorn in the side of genuine free market capitalism, yet you never hear right wing pundits (apart from Ron Paul) addressing this issue; to do so would be 'unpatriotic' and 'not living in the real world', despite the fact that it flies in the face of the US constitution. You can't have your cake and eat it. What Obama is doing is FUBAR, but Dubya dug the hole. Wars always lead to short term growth and expansion, but always have to be paid for..

[JMehrman]

"It flies in the face of the US constitution"? Well, I know it certainly protects it. I am holding my cake and currently and am now taking a bite ... there. : ) What hole did Dubya dig? Lastly ... like war, freedom has never been free either sir.

[flyhead2]

Oh no, not the 'freedom' cop out(rolls eyes). If the John Wayne arguement is the best you can do I'll willingly let you shoot off your other foot and have the last word, you've already lost. PS What does the Constitution say about standing armies, and why do you think that is was put there? (This is purely a rhetorical question, I can't be arsed to argue with zombies)

[JMehrman]

His choice to invade Iraq was based on the intelligence on the ground. If he made a mistake, he made the mistake anyone would in that situation by trusting the officials around him. I find it hilarious everyone (namely the 911truthers) blame him for this. Prove to me he knew otherwise.

[flyhead2]

Oh no, not you again. When you put salt instead of sugar into your coffee, it's a mistake. When the VP runs around, goading and coercing everyone to agree to a pre-planned attack on Iraq after 9/11, it's called deceit, and is an impeachable offence, not to mention the ultimate war crime. But what the heck, the 1.5 million dead from this 'slight misunderstanding' don't matter, they don't play golf...

[JMehrman]

Here's a series of questions that have yet to be answered:

1)How did bush dig a hole?

2)Give me proof he knew that Sadam Hussien did not have WMD's.

Since when does America impeach VP's for protecting America herself? The ultimate war crime? That was was laughable there. By your charge of deceit .. every politician in DC could be found guilty to this one. By who's hands are these so called 1.5 million dead? Which side are you on ... America's or the terrorists?

[flyhead2]

1) By refusing to take action on the financial markets even though there was plenty of signals that it was going tits up, both from European institutions (not the UK, they are just as rotten) and from concerned US legislators (what happened to Spitzer?). He entered into a spurious war on the promise of 'no more taxes' , which meant either printing money, borrowing, or both (both).

2) To go to war you need proof, not lack of it. The inspectors were ordered out by the US.because war was desired.

[JMehrman]

Man this is getting old ....

1) By refusing to take action on the financial markets you mean not warning congress of the of the risks posed by sub prime lending by fannie and freddie? Starting in 2001 the warnings given by Bush and other rupublicans grew in intensity ... all for not due to Bawney Fwank and Co.

[JMehrman]

2) Maybe you missed me typing that Bush did have proof.

[JMehrman]

More people would believe you truthers if you actually had proof for your theories.

[flyhead2]

There is plenty of evidence, both in action and testimony, that war against Iraq was a political prerogative. Seek and ye shall find. But I'm always open-minded; please provide a link to Bush's 'truth', because there is no evidence of Iraqi WMD or a link to 'al-Quaeda, whatever that organisation might be. It's pointless to continue. If you don't see what is happening in your government it is because you don't want to. Either that, or you get your world view from TV. Have a nice day.

[JMehrman]

I'll remind you that the entire country after 911 ... republiwhatever ... demowhocares ... the VAST majority went in to Iraq to secure our freedom and by doing so preserving the freedom of the world.

[siradam575]

We do not have 'capitalism.' In fact, we have socialized corporatism. This is what you like? You must be some Wall Street punk who got a bonus check from the govt. What socio-economic impact are you refering to? A public police force, firefighters, and free school system? And end to racial, gender, and now sexual discrimination? By and by, from Clinton to Obama, the 'left' as you would call them, have fallen into line economically with the right: NAFTA, IMF, World Bank, "liberalization.."

[JMehrman]

I don't think anyone said or used the word dominance except for you.

[JMehrman]

He's #1 in ratings because he attracts the people that really care about the core values of this country and the constitution. Believe me .... we know socialism when we see it.

[toosinbeymen]

That's crazy talk, JMehrman. Fox is obnoxiously right wing but almost all media is right leaning with a few bones to lefties every now and then. The real left wing media (democracy now, Rachel Maddow Show, Air America, the Young Turks, etc) is a microscopic part of the large media sector.

[JMehrman]

Smoke another one buddy! lol

[jonz23m]

lol there is no news on tv and certainly not on FOX news. Sorry buddy before that the lunatics from the neo con wing got wayyyy too much air time, It always depends on who is president who gets more air time. There is no journalism at all. Its like watchin 5year olds fight over a toy and then blame each other lol. And people just love to fight over these entertainment shows. Bush the president of Oil Obama president of the banks.

[JMehrman]

To question everything is very important and I'll agree that there is no news in the sense that there is no such thing as objective news, It's not possible even for this "Real News Network". I'll also agree that people love to fight over news that is completely subjective.

[vdubs4life1964]

End the FED, end the business cycle.

The great depression was engineered. A mathematical equation that went perfect as planned... Just like the housing bubble today.

watch?v=qX_qOaZmCFM

[LouieArrighi]

I wish he could be a regular on MSNBC.

[seamoremonster]

Yeah, me too. The guy never fails to impress with his depth of knowledge and the soundness of his reason. He's has a very impressive intellect.

[seamoremonster]

You ain't wrong about them fascist!

[synapsecracklepop]

The thing that bugs me about real news is that they always break down a single interview into multiple segments. Then they don't make the additional segments available for SO LONG, that you forget you wanted to watch it. It's always a "cliff hanger," like the "Perils of Pauline." I don't know if they think they'll enhance viewership this way. I only know it's a royal pain in the ass. Otherwise, i love these guys, even when the comment stream is spammed by fascist crackpots.

[j0hnwi11iams]

Thom Hartmann is a national treasure. Listen to him regularly on Air America.

[seamoremonster]

Or you can watch his channel on YouTube on the Thom Hartman program. He's excellent. He's a breath of fresh air, no sensationalizing, just good commentary supported by good sources and facts.

[Orlor]

He's not on Air America anymore.

[bigc028282]

Can't you see that all you got was "change" of face? wake up!

[ferrozm]

they are socialists assholes they want govt to take control of things and steal peoples money.

[bigc028282]

all you who vote for the choice of two, need to read and understand the constitution. There is a vast difference between a democracy and a republic. WAKE-UP! Read your f*cking history. The kind that is not spoon fed to you, or the one your told by the media and representatives. Go look at the creation of Social Security. How long have we been broke? Oh yeah, what ferrozm said!! ignorant sheeple.

[TruthSerum101]

When in your lifetime have tenets of socialism not played a huge role in the US government?

[Lawlow1978]

Wow, i like this Thom Hartman. Real News is awesome