Re: Chen Taijiquan Applications 陈式太极拳用法

[natechien]

I agree with dagou64. Try him out in person; then say something if you're still on your feet.

[Kazmundio]

I am a long time sport fighter, I do very rough boxing and jiujitsu, etc. as well as solo tai chi practice and push-hands drills, "wing chun/chi-sau" slap sparring, etc. I hold a blackbelt in Judo, and have trained aikijujitsu since age 15. I think that I can tell a thing or two about something in martial arts by looking at it, and from what I see Liew's applications look completely effective. Right along the same lines as what I employ against opponents in live sparring on a regular basis.

[georgehsliew]

Thank you for your comments. People with more fighting experience can see things other people can't..

[lucidmist]

Maybe my comments were harsh. But I see someone trashing on masters who have made their own contributions, and it just doesn't feel right. However, this is in a way, your own contribution too. So, thanks for trying.

Only thing is, I'm not sure how much of your analysis has been done in accordance to taiji principles.

[georgehsliew]

I studied tai chi under only one tai chi sifu who studied merely tai chi. We don't agree with each other because we have diferent understanding of this art.

[lucidmist]

All the worse to criticize the art then.

[lucidmist]

so much for trying to get attention. george, i think u're really missing the point. also, i really REALLY believe u possess zero fight experience.

[georgehsliew]

I am just trying tell what I believe. And you are telling what you believe. Thanks for taking time to view my vedios and making comments.

[orthobio]

I would urge you to look again. The analysis is poor. What is termed wide open shows that he has already sidestepped the opponent. Also his first touch has pushed the opponent onto his back leg and pinned him there. Lastly the punch he is delivering has good frame- the elbow/shoulder/waist are aligned and coming out together, only the elbow to wrist are dropped to express the whiplike jing of taijichuan

[dagou64]

Sure fire way to settle this. Go find him and try him out. Might be surprised....

[ninpomasta111]

I've done a little research into Chen style taiji, and I've seen a few other videos from the same guy that you are criticizing... well as much as I like taiji, I too look for combat effectiveness. Very few of this man's videos show actual combat effective techniques. I also haven't seen that application to single whip before. From my own small knowledge, it violates a number of taiji principles. There is no way that one can swing your arm like that and hit with your wrist using full body power

[georgehsliew]

Thank you for your comments.

[mikesigman]

George, I think your comments are very correct. It is not a matter of style but of correct body mechanics. I think it is very helpful for you to post analyses like this of everyone, not just Mo Ling (Marin Spivak). Everyone should be able to take criticism if they post videos publicly.

[georgehsliew]

Thanks.

I think it is more important to examine the effectiveness of a move rather than talking about what style it is.

If a move is not effective, it could be an incorrect way of using it.

[perten]

From looking at the video clips of you working I wouldn't say you are in a position to criticise when it comes to "combat"...

[georgehsliew]

I respect your opinion.

[georgehsliew]

I appreciate that you took the time to view my videos and made this comment.

[trevcaru]

Openness to criticism is real taiji.... What is an opponent to do if there is no place for his fist to land? There is no winning; there is only the harmony of constructive interaction through relationship with our fellow human beings and the 10,000 things.

[ipojman]

arm (forearm in this case) is not as powerful as whole body weight.

[georgehsliew]

If his (Mo Ling's) shoulder and his arm swing out simultaneously, he is using the whole body weight. But not so.

However, if Mo Ling gets hit first, do you think he can still deliver the whole body weight swing?

[ipojman]

i think not...

also at first, he touches the opponent but has no weight behind it... this gives opponent even more opportunity to strike first.

[imbrd]

usin whole body power does not equal nor is related to using body weight. the diference is substantial particularly in taiji- whole body power is result from total stability & coordination of internal&external body strength. body weight though is just like the meat on a meat rack- its just dead weight

[WarriorBoy]

You say in your description that you don't do Chen Tai Chi. Isn't it a bit presumptuous to criticize the workings of another style without having any experience of it? Also, you don't demo the sequence in a way that would be superior. The opening pointed out in his video is only a few seconds, and his punch was fast enough to close the gap. You're zeroing in on a small point about his technique and missing the general idea.

[georgehsliew]

To criticize a combat, you just have to point out the "weakness" of the move. You pointed out that "his punch was fast enough to close the gap." But you have to consider that IF THE OTHER GUY STRIKES OUT THE SECOND PUNCH RIGHT AWAY, WHO'S FIST WILL REACH THE OPPONENT FIRST? Who will take a longer distance to hit the other guy?

In another word, suppose both of them can deliver a punch at the same speed, who would get hit first? Isn't this the general idea?

[adfeatherstone]

why didn't you demonstrate the way it should be done at the same speed as the original clip? Talk is cheap and all that.

[sdflyer28]

It really depends on particular situation, timing, and etc. There are many ways of using punches similar to "single whip", and they are all pretty much arbitrary.

[zocecart]

You got the film download la....well done.

[georgehsliew]

Thanks to a very good friend of mine.