Call for war crimes tribunal in Bangladesh - 17 Apr 08

[BalochParast]

The Genocide of innocent Bangali people were very "FUNNY" for pakistani muslims (unfortunately they aren't) the devils,Thanks to Al-Jazera ...In Balochistan 16000 baloch people are disappeared and 1.4 million has been brutually tortured,burned to death by pakistani sick ISI and pakistani army please visit baloch websites and watch the Balloch genocide ..Genocide of Bengalis resembles to today's Balochistan's people.

Free Balochistan ..Down with Porkistan or Pigistan.

[soomro]

Funny someone didn't like his post though very sensible for a bengali.

I have a question for you bengalis.

Are you also willing to prosecute mukti bahini for their crimes against biharis and bengalis alike for being Pakistanis? remember the army responded heavy handedly only after mukti bahini attacked pakistani civilians. It is also in the UN reports.

If you can look past that and be happy with the rapes that they did then FUCK YOU ALL!!!!

[yahiabarie]

vai shob dosh ei indiar, ei haramkhor jodi valo hoito taile ei war hoito na

[SpunkyMedia]

Fuck pakistan...

i couldnt care less for them scum

the bengaliz will one day rise against these tyrants and claim back what was stolen and taken from them.. the blood of 3.5 million bengalis will forever haunt them.

hindu+muslim = bengali unity...

[BengaliAshoka]

Fuck Porkistan. I hope the USA invade and exterminate Porkistani scum.

Joy Bangla

[SonnyCash1]

Ok this is an update regards MohammadiBegum!

He has sent me a private message saying that he has been BANNED from YOUTUBE..

Obviously the debate was getting onesided with many of his statement being exposed by neutral reports (as highlighted above) but I don't think this had anything to do with his non-attendance.

Looking at his comments on other VDO's he was somewhat aggressive and this maybe the real reason for his absence.

I just hope he gets peace within his self and accepts the truth.

[SonnyCash1]

MohammadiBegum

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This one shows how some younger generation of Biharis have finallyrealised that they shoulds be regarded as Bangladeshis. These CITIZENS have been given full rights to vote etc.

Bangladesh is a secuar country and does not discrminate on religion race or LANGUAGE

If a Bihari recognises that he is Bangladeshi then we will welcome him.

YOU SEEM TO BE SILENT!!!!

[SonnyCash1]

MohammadiBegum

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This artice is from the New York times in 1989. It repeats what I mentions earlier as a rebuttal to your statement:

"The Administration never kept any barricade to STOP their settling in Pakistan."

Sind Politicians stopped the Bihari exchange.

NOT REALLY LOOKING TO GOOD FOR YOU AT THE MOMENT!!!

[SonnyCash1]

MohammadiBegum

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This one doesnt mention that Brngalis were the majority of Pakistans but mainly highlights the DENIAL of PAKISTANI citzens left in BANGLADESH.

This clarifies the LIE you said when you wrote: "The Administration never kept any barricade to STOP their settling in Pakistan." PLEASE READ ABOVE FOR THIS QUOTE FROM YOU.

Things are coming full circle for you and your misleading statements!

[SonnyCash1]

MohammadiBegum

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A more accurate and balanced view than the Bihari propganda u highlighted.

It Puts things into context and the reason why things happened. You guy claims "During and after the struggle for Bangladesh, all the Biharies were wiped out to the last unborn child"

It shows why these ppl have no citizenship with any country.

Happy reading!

[SonnyCash1]

MohammadiBegum

This is the message you sent me (why not on the forum?)

Sonny

Just view this site with COOL head

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I have read this and have found that :

1) the quotes do not have any sources 2) The writer is Bihari 3) Believes that Mujib was the leader of East Bengal since 1947 4) most of the attacks happened after 26th March 1971 (although one involving Pathans happened before 25th march.

Nothing really interesting

Ok So what now?

[SonnyCash1]

MohammadiBegum Update:

1) U've changed ur tune by saying that Sheikh Mujib was a TRAITOR is only the opinion of non-Bengalis. This point is dismissed!

2) U regard the killing of civilians by civilians as being on the same level as an army killing civillians. I've argued that this is not the case and NATO, UN and any government would agree with me!

3) U argue that Bangladeshi based Biharis can choose to be citizens Pakistan (not having the relevant documents with no rights to enter Pakistan).

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

You want me to repeat that

MUJIB was a TRAITOR. MURDERER and LOOTER.

If yes, I can do it

[SonnyCash1]

Sure you can repeat what yu want but yu have not been able t prove any of these allegations.

Your comments are pure supposition and allegations devoid of any substance. The fact that your father was killed during the trouble has obviously blinkered your opininon.

SO as I said your allegations have been dismissed. Talk about the more relevant point about the role of Biharis as collaborators and even today deny the country they live in!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

The PROOVE is that , MUJIB was punished, killed by his own Bangladesh Army. Every single member of the Mujib family was killed. Just after 3 years that TRAITOR was killed by his own SECURITY People.

Last but not the least , just LAST month your ARMY killed your own Brothers BDR on the issue of Salaries and wages.

SONAR Baangla failed to provide the handfull PAY and the BIG brother kILLED younger brother.

[SonnyCash1]

You are now beginning to rant!

You have highlighted a lack of knowledge on the History of INDEPENDENT BANGLADESH.

You have not been able to adequately handle the onslaught of knowledge that I have wreaked upon you, the dexterity of knowledge and the articulation of clearly put arguments.

Very early on in this discussion you realised your limited responses were not sufficient to quell the TRUTH of history.

Comeback with an intelligent comment for any reader will see you for what you are!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

You can kill people if information is shared (As alleged by you)

BUT

Pak Army cant kill the people at MUTINY, who betrayed and and made allies with enemy (Indian) Murderer of unarmed people in the name of language discrimination.

I still feel PITY on your approach

[SonnyCash1]

I shall repat this for you.

58% of the POPULATION OF ALL (YES... EAST AND WEST) OF PAKISTAN decided they did not wan to be part of Pakistan.

Why are you now supporting the minority view. In a democracy the majority view is prevalent.

The pak army was being enforced by a minority view ignoring the will of the people.

[SonnyCash1]

CONTINUATION

During this discussion I alluded to the anarchy in modern day Pakistan in order to highlight the hypocrisy of your comments.

You claim innocent Biharis were killed in Mosques yet overlook the daily sectarian bombings in mosques in Pakistan.

You mention "justice" yet ignore the assassination of prominent pakistani opposition leaders.

You mention "traitors" but ignore those that work with foreigners (Iranians, Afghanis and Americans) to distabilse Pakistan.

FEEL FREE TO COMMENT!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

This vdo says about the JUSTICE for those who were killed by Pakistan Army as alleged.

I felt gireved thay you people are asking JUSTICE for your self but ignoring those MURDER/KILLING cummitted by Bengalies.

can you seriously examine as to why Pak Army started killing Bangladeshies??????/

You dont have the courage to speak the TRUTH

[SonnyCash1]

You may feel greived but your are illogical. The Bangladeshi government is calling for justice for its Bangladeshi Citizens. Despite Biharis remaining in Bangladesh they do not claim to be Bangladeshi Citizens. They claim to be Pakistani citizens.

Logic dictates that they should approach the government they support for help n getting justice!

This is the TRUTH!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

you dont try to understand. Bangladeshies killed Biharies in EAST PAKISTAN, who will give JUSTICE to them?????

Definitely on the doomsday

[SonnyCash1]

You said you seemed aggrieved that Bangladeshis wanted justice but did not mention Bihari blood.

Therefore you equate the killing of a civilian population by a well trained well armed army on the same basis as a civilian killing a civilian. One is is a military decision the other is a civil decision - THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!

In terms of Allah SWT NO person has the right to take another persons life unless it is in Allahs name and we will all face judgment for our sins and crimes.

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

Yep, when you call for JUSTICE for the wrong doings with Bangladeshies, why not what you did with Biharies.

Dont take the sweet portion only, go for the bitter one as well

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

Killing is Killing and Blood is Blood

Bangladeshies attacked my house with Indian Merceneries in form of a MOB comprising of around 200 people in the darkness of night.

They could have killed my father with a solo gun=shot while walking in the street, but their motive was apparently different, if I mention, you will not agree.

[SonnyCash1]

With regards to your personal experiences I have answered this already. For every instance you give there are 100 bengali instances standing in line. Many of the casualties on the Bengali side were initially started by Biharies informing on the hindu families or freedom fighters. Even more the more ambitious made up a story in order to gain control of the land.

All of this was remembered, the bihari was seen as an enemy as it was supporting and helping an enemy force. ITS THAT SIMPLE

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

You are again mixing 2 events.

You are not endorsing KILLING of Biharies in March 1971.

You are talking about the aftermath situation,

[SonnyCash1]

The problem is u are using March 1971 as a staring point. For the Bengali struggle the starting point starts much earlier. A more open minded view would be to look at the context of events from 1947 to December 1971.

To highlight on one incident in March 1971 is a disservice to the million that had suffered.!

[SonnyCash1]

MohammadiBegum :

To Summarise this discussion.

You claimed that Sheikh Mujib was a traitor and gave a definition. I have highlighted how he did not fit into your definition of traitor - since then you have understandably dropped this accusation.

You would like Bangladeshis to give JUSTICE the families of Innocent Biharis". I have shown why many were killed, why many were not innocent and as they do not claim to be Bangladeshi someone else should fight for their justice.

CONTINUED

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

Your logic of being called Mini Pakistani and not speaking Bengali shows your negativity about Biharies.

You killed their family members becos they did not speak Bengali, boycoted them becos they were not from your community, so what you expect from them, should they kneel down before you and begged for fistfull RICE for survival.

I quote you 1 killing of a husband whose wife was bengali. When the mob entered tohis house to catch him, his wife begged for his Bihari Husband life.......

[SonnyCash1]

I'll try to explain for the 3rd time!

Biharis did not want to be part of Bangladesh as they resisted the independence movement.

Bangladesh is now established and the remaining Biharis dont want to be called "Bangladeshis" but rather "Pakistanis"

If in 1971 you resist and try to stop the will of the majority what do you think will happen?

They were killed for betraying other E. Pakistanis who had fought for freedom. By giving information to W.pak soldiers the Biharis ASSISTED IN MURDER.

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

You are lieing, Biharies never resisted for any act of Mujib. they were in Minorities and under heavy influence of Bangladeshi supremacy. They even dont had their a single representative neither in provincial or national assembly.

How could a suppressed group of people you call Biharies could have stand againt MUJIB,s will.

Probably you are mixing the East pakistan Administrative group with Biharies.

Biharies were never in a commanding position, they were working class white color men

[SonnyCash1]

We keep repeating this regarding Biharis - Did they support the independence movement? NO. Did they Support the Pak army? YES. Did they help the pak army? YES

When you wrote: "they were working class white color men " - this does not make sense

You're either saying they were working class or they were White COLLAR workers

The two are not the same. White collar refers to individuals in administration and who do desk jobs not Working class labour jobs .

What job did your father do?

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

Biharis did not support Mujib,s idependance moovement, it never mean you will kill them. Disagreement is a legal RIGHT. If you justify Killing Biharies on this issue, then you should support Pak Army Killings of Bangladeshies becos Bangladeshies betrayed tle law of Land and opposed the legal frame work,

When you do 1 thing its justified, when others do, you criticise, what you call such people, hypocrite

[SonnyCash1]

I told you the reason was that the Biharis actively worked against the freedom movement. Non-bengalis were used as informers to give the W.Pak armies knowledge of the freedom fighters and hindu families.

You have explained your personal experience but SO WHAT. For every experience you have given there are 100 experiences given by Bengali victims. I know many cases where Non-Bengalis betrayed their Bengali neighbours and had innocent people have their houses bombed.

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

I have cleared Biharies stanging in Bangladesh. They were not in a position to work as a TOOL to create OBSTACLE in your FREEDOM.

Pak Army were in east Pakistan since 1947 and you mean to say that after 24 years they needed some civilians for the INFORMATIONs.

Your knowledge is Very POOR. Dont accuse for the sake of accusition,

[SonnyCash1]

Even in the Al Jazeera report you will hear the reporter say that the Pak army need local intelligence.

Also personal accounts tell teh same story. You LIE!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

First you endorse the KILLINGS of March 1971, then I will discuss and give my comments . let us finsih the first phase

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

For the sake of criticism , dont catch my words. hopefully i could not express that working class.

I meant to say that majority of BIHARIES were working class people, mean doing jobs in offices, which you call desk workers.

My father was a government servant of DESK Level as you describe.

[SonnyCash1]

my point t you is: How many non-bengalis actually wrked in the fields or as labourers since 1947??? THat is the TRUE meaning of WORKING CLASS!

Now if you dare please tell me the salay your father was earning and compare it tot eh Bengali labourers monthly earning!

Now add this to the fact that these non-bengalis were also informers for the West Pak army and you may finally realise why things happened!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

Dont get off the TOPIC, what was my father,s salary , will not help you to justify your KILLINGS. Your memory is SHORT , i told you, he was a government servant and they are paid as per the rules and pay structures.

[SonnyCash1]

I'm just highlighting the favour that non-bengalis were given over indigenous bengalis. The point is relevant.

You may not appreciate this but the reason your father got the job was because the non- bengali authoritites favoured non-bengalis. It enabled them to continue with their dominance.

Tell me what were you fathers view of the bengalis that he intermingled with?

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

This is simply accusation, and the injustice of favorism and nepotism you are talking about prevails in every society.

Bangladeshies had their QUOTA for son of soil which they were geting, thereby your claims do not stand TALL

[SonnyCash1]

The rule of the majority by a minority does" not Stand TALL"

For this reason you would denounce the French Revolution as the proletariat overcame the Bourgoise.

You see Te majority must accomadate the minority not vice versa.. Your father may have got used to his comfort zone but this was obviously dispelled in a bloody fashion.

Did he give local information to the arym? Did he betray the people he is neighbours as well. Or did he simply just mistreat them over the many years he as there?

[SonnyCash1]

I'll try and stress tyhi point to you one more time.

Biharis Call themselves Pakistanis even though they live in Bangladesh. The Bangladeshis do not want them if they do not want to be part of their country. You are looking at this the wrong way round. The Biharis are negative to Bangladesh they want to be part of Pakistan.

It was this bias which caused them to make the wrong decisions like giving information to the W.pak armies in order to get Innocent Bengali family members slaughtered.

[MohammadiBegum]

pak army slaughtered ? why they did that, cant you get that,,,,

What happened in Dhaka 2 months back, I understand Your Army killed bangladeshi Rifles just on their PAY issues. When there is a issue of Country,s soverignity, should MUJIB and his hooligans were to be garlanded????????

[SonnyCash1]

Your summary of the BDR mutiny highlights your lack of understanding on these issues.

You fail to address the point that after many years, 58% of Pakistan's population decided they did not want to be part of Pakistan. Sheikh Mujib represented this 58%. Who should dictate sovereignty the minority or the majority?

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

If I misunderstod the issue of recent Mutiny in your Army, please make me understand and give the FACTS.

To a lay man it is crystal CLEAR that on certain financial benefits ISSUES there were killings within 2 group of Bangladeshies ARMY

My point is that , when on a financial issue when ARMY can kill their own brother why not Pak Army kill the TRAITORS.

Either you condemn your own ARMY or appreciate Pak Army

[SonnyCash1]

Go to another forum to discuss this where it s more relevant and also increase your knowledge!

[MohammadiBegum]

Continuation.....

but their parents took their courage and met with Indian Army people and begged for HELP and the boys were rescued from Banglasehies Camps specialy made for killing Biharies.

Hindues and sikhs were found having soft corners for Biharies, but you Bangladeshies killed those even who took shelter in Masjid. The courtyard of Masjid were flooded with

[SonnyCash1]

Nobody is saying that tkilling of Biharis is right even though many did betray Bengalis when they thought the Paki army was winning. Some of the their actions and choices obviously led to an uproar.

Even now many call themselves pakis even though they live in Bangladesh. During an independence struggle they chose to support Pakis and so became the enemy!

So whoever kills a muslim in a masjid is cursed. You need to look a bit closer to home and make those judgements on your paki comrades!

[SonnyCash1]

I dont agree with the Hammad Ur Rhman Report. As it is a Pakistani source it is biased and therefore unreliable as u are quite clearly are a paki I assumed that u would support this report.

You seem to go along with bengali thinking that 3 million civillians were slaughtered by the paki army. This is encouraging. How what is disappointing is that u seem to suggest that this is is justifiable due to the "hundreds of thousands" of non-bengali civillians" that were killed (your words not mine)

[SonnyCash1]

Pakistan needs to openly admit what atrocities theyve committed. They need to help the urdu speaking Biharis who supported them in Bangladesh during the independence struggle. Once they have addressed these issues and also compensated Bangladesh for the loss they have caused the relationship will be in much better condition.

Any Paki who thinks that these atrocities didnt exist has deluded themselves and have made this assessment through lack of research and dare I say it lack of education!

[MohammadiBegum]

Every body should get JUSTICE.

We all need JUSTICE .

Mukti Bahini of Bangladesh and their Indian Hindue allies killed hundreds of thousands of Non Bengalies in early part of 1971 and after the liberation of Bangladesh in 1972.

Peoples were killed in Parbatipur, Saidpur, Dinajpur, Santahar, Ishurdi, Jessore, Khulna, Mymensingh, Feni, Dacca, Chiitagong and every where where Non Bengalies (Urdu Speaker) lived.

Do the Bengalies have COURAGE to give JUSTICE to the victimised familes.???

[SonnyCash1]

The Pakistani Hammad ur rehman Commission claimed that the pakis ONLY killed 96,000 Bengali civillians during the whole crisis and you claim hundreds of thousands of non-bengalis were killed. As I mentioned before lack of research and maybe lack of education!

The majority "non-bengalis" that you show sympathy for were Biharis. The Biharis want to go to Pakiland, The Bangladeshis want them to go to Pakiland but the Pakis refused to take them. So much for sympathy, courage and justice!

[MohammadiBegum]

SonnyCash1

Hammud ur Rahman Commission report was made but uneiled. How you could say that figure.

There is a difference between Bengali Civilian and Non Bengalis.

Bengalis Blood = BIG PROBLEM

Non Bengalis Blood = NO PROBLEM and accusing and allegation starts, they were supporting Pak Army. Moraly, Yes they supported becos at that time it was their own army. Can Bengalis support any RIVAL country Army at any crisis period.? I beleive you can becos this is possible from a TRAITOR.

[SonnyCash1]

The original lahore resolution asked for autonomy within the 6 units of pakistan. Of course if BENGALI blood is spilt in the unit knonw as east BENGAL this is a big problem!

The non-benglais were used as instrument to quell and deprive the Bengali masses. This resentment grew. It is natural for a tormented group to extract revenge against there tormenters.

Look at 1947 between India and Pakistan. Look what happens in the Mosques in Pakiland where bombs are used to kill one community!!

[MohammadiBegum]

SonnyCash

You are accusing NonBengalis of crushing Bangladeshies. To a great extent from your perspective it is TRUE. Ruler do deprive rights of their people. A legal and political BATTLE was to fought to achieve the goal.

The struggle to get the RIGHTS changed into financial and personal motive. Bangaladeshies with the help of Indian Mercenaries spoted a particular class of unarmed people which you call Biharies who were for all practical purpose the legal residents. ...contd

[SonnyCash1]

The Majority non-Bengalis that came to East Bengal after the 1947 partition were from "bengali" speaking West bengal and Urdu speaking Bihar. These Urdu speaking people are known as Biharis even by themselves although they still allude to being Pakistani as well! (This claim is rejected by the PAKI government as they would have to bear the costs of relocating the 500,000 Biharis to Pakiland!!!)

Please answer: DO YO REGARD THESE PEOPLE AS PAKI CITIZENS? and SHOULD THEY BE RELOCATED TO PAKILAND?

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

Definitely starnded Pakistanies were to rehabiliate and reinstate in Pakistan. It was irony that left over Pakistanies were not given their legal RIGHTS. However after creation of Bangladesh many Biharies went to india and then through Nepal they entered into Pakistan. The Administration never kept any barricade to STOP their settling in Pakistan.

still people are coming from India to pakistan and geting settled, however their numbers are FEW

Indians did not kill them and helped them

[SonnyCash1]

There has been debate in the Pakistani Government on may occasions regarding the relocation of over 400,000 Biharis who claim to be Pakistanis. On one occasion when Benazir was in power she actually agreed to their resettlement only to change her mind after her visit to Sindh!

You are wrong in your assessment that Pakistan has never stopped Biharis from entering into Pakistan. I am sorry that is totally inaccurate!

[MohammadiBegum]

Bangladeshier could not dare to touch the RULING class becos they knew if they do , will get a bitter taste as they were resourcesfull and armed.

In the name of JUSTICE you people killed those unarmed and innocent native residents and then looted their valuables,

[SonnyCash1]

Again you have failed to understand the geography of the issue. The "Ruling Classes" (Were based in West Pakistan) - so do want Bengalis to travel across India to "touch" them.

The truth is that Bengalis voted with one voice and a democratically leader was elected for the whole of Pakistan in the form of Sheikh Mujib. So we did "dare mess with the ruling Class. YOU HAVE SHOWN A COMPLETE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE ISSUES AT HAND!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

I 100% stand with you with all regrets that Pakistani ruler did not abide by the constitution and deprived Mujib from the POWER,

But Killing of unarmed Biharies were NOT the solution of this injusttice

I do agree that pakistan Army Killed bangladeshies but they have their own justification and that is the reason Sheikh Mujib could not drag Pakistan for JUSTICE in international court for WAR CRIME. he knew if he does that, his own clothes would be found with BLOODS of innocent biharies.

[SonnyCash1]

Cause and effect of history:

- Muslim independence in 1947 (58% of Population in E. Bengal!)

- Slowly Majority Becomes dominated by W.Pak.

-Non-Bengalis are put in positions of authority so are seen as tools to continue W.pak dominance.

- Non-bengalis get best jobs and become wealthier at the expense of Bengalis.

- Civil unrest and Non-bengalis now report "troublemakers to the authorities"

- Civil war and Non-Bengalis inform against Bengalis freedom fighters + families - causing deaths.

[SonnyCash1]

Your definition of traitor is very black and white. So what are your views on the extremist elements that killed Benzir bhutto. Or the Pakis that have now dictated the terms of a SWAT valley settlement to the governement. Or the sectarian Shia and Sunni rivalry. Or what about the Baluchi independence movement. Would you call the propogators of these actions TRAITORS as well???

Your understanding of real Politcs seems very limited and I as you to expand your understanding a little more!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonnycash

Definition of TRAITOR

"someone who betrays his country by committing treason

double-crosser: a person who says one thing and does another"

You evaluate yourself whether MUJIB gets fixed in the frame or NOT.

Situation with Benazir and Law and order situation in SWAT has been condemned by every quarters. I fail to understand how you compare these unlawfull act with Killing of innocent unarmed people by Bangladeshies with help of Indian Mercenaries.

[SonnyCash1]

Sheikh Mujib won the elections and should have been elected the Leader of Pakistan. You are getting confused. He and Democracy were the victims!

With regards to your current paki domestic issues. The "terrorists" in the SWAT - are they traitors or not? (Is this area infiltrated with foreign Afghanis?)

The killers of "innocent" Benazir are they traitors or not? (Were outside influences used?)

Is Iran involved in some of the bombings and those pakis that assist - are they traitors

[MohammadiBegum]

sonny

i dont have habit of repeating things.

Briefly , Mujib;s killing to Biharies can never be justifed with benazir;s killing and Swat situation.

I have given you the definition of TRAITOR, whoever gets fixed in the FRAME is GADDAR

[SonnyCash1]

He won an election and was not allowed to sit in power - how does that make him a traitor?

Only after the democratic process was stopped and the pak military got involved - the anger of 70 million Bengalis were lit and resisted this oppression.

As pakis u were also entitled to stop this abuse by the army but stood like silent lambs!

He protested peacefully with strikes not violence. The W.Paks could see their bread basket going down the river so tried to take control.

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

I have already condemned the attitude of paki Politicians who kept MUJIB away from POWER sharing. A very delaying tactics was adopted by the regime of the time.

B U T

I ask you 1 question, if your parents do not give you the rights, would you kill your own brothers or kill the people responsible for wrong doings.

[SonnyCash1]

I gave you the sequence of events. I am not justifying the actions of Bengalis I'm telling you how it is.

Also the question of killing innocents is more appropriately levied at the pak army as the murders were on a much greater scale.

You initially about JUSTICE - so yes, a Bengali leader will look to give justice for bengalis. Biharis in bangladesh claim to be Pakistani - Back to your original point - who should fight their cause?? Surely you dont expect any bengali to do this??

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

Dont derail yourself from the TOPIC

I am talking about the JUSTICE for those people whose family members were killed in 1971 by the Bangladeeshi (Mukti bahini) their associate Indian Merceneies,

Your justification NOT to give justice becos the seekers do not speak your language is very irony.

[SonnyCash1]

The two points you raised were JUSTICE for Biharis and Sheikh Mujib being a TRAITOR.

I've now noticed you have dropped this issue of him being a traitor as according to your definition he does not fit it.

"someone who betrays his country by committing treason

double-crosser: a person who says one thing and does another"

How did he commit treason? by winning the elections?

The military allowed the elections and when he won they "double Crossed him. Thats why you have dropped this issue

Cont

[SonnyCash1]

Continuation

On JUSTICE for Biharis.

The Biharis did not want to be part of an independent bangladesh. They were killed by freedom fighters as they were regarded as enemy target who had previously taken Bengali wealth, Informed on freedom fighters leading to the deaths and raping of family members.

The Biharis in 1971 didnt support an independent Bangladesh but you seem to think the Bangladesh government should now seek justice for their deaths.

Cont

[SonnyCash1]

Continuation

The Bihari Camp in Mohammadpur, Dhaka is known as "little Pakistan" by the Biharis. The survivors of 1971 speak urdu as a first language and not Bangla. They claim to be Pakistanis citizens.

I.e If you as a Pakistani trapped in Bangladesh had your mother raped and then shot dead - what would you do. Who would you ask for help? The country you denounce or the country you claim to be a citizen of?

Dont be blinded by bias - your attempts at a discussion are to simplistic at best!

[MohammadiBegum]

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She said she was Bengali dont kill her husband, but they killed her husband and said do another marriage with a Bengali.

You people do marriages with a foreigner to take nationality of that country but kill your own sister,s husband beacose he was non bengali....

My 2 cousin studied through Bengali Medium in Barisalm but they have to leave the place because they were Non Bengalies, like these there were many, WHO will give JUSTICE to them

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

From Non Bengalis perspective MUJIB was a TRAITOR, MURDERER and LOOTER of innocent and unarmed Non Bengalies. You accuse them supporting pak Army. Can you explain what support they give to Pak Army? Only moral support. And they were their own country men, how could they support Banladeshies TRAITOR and their allies Indian Merceneries who were making endeavor to create a country within a country????

[SonnyCash1]

58% of the Pakistani population decided that after 25 years of abuse they wanted to be called Bangladeshi not Pakistani.

There are countless stories of Biharies using their local knowledge making allegation against, hindus and freedom fighters, leading to the extermination of their families and raping of mothers and sisters.

This minority Bihari population went against the will of the 70,000,000 people by helping an enemy army. In the Bihari mind they thought and still think they are Pakistani

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

its people liberty to own or disown a nationality, you opted for bangladeshies and biharies opted for Pakistan. Whats wrong with you?

If today US announce FREE Immigrant visa for bangladeshies, probably 80% of your youth and working force will flee to US and opt for US citizenship

[SonnyCash1]

Ok so you seem to agree with the hypocrisy of this decision. The Bihari in Bangladesh denounces Bangladesh yet elects to remain in Bangladesh.

Your argument about US doesnt work as if somebody wanted a "Free immigrant Visa" to the US they would need to GO there.

The Bihari in Bangladesh claims he is PAKISTANI but remains in BANGLADESH!

How many times do I need to make this point!!!???

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

I feel pity on you. Dont you agree to that in many countries like UK, US, AUS etc people of another country live their with various nationalities,

Do you want BD for only Bangladeshies? There are many Indians doing business in BD, you never raised any disagreement with them,

[SonnyCash1]

OK ... lets try this another way. If the 6000,000 or Biharis stuck in Bangladesh were offered free citizenship to a) Bangladesh, b) India or c) PAKISTAN - w h i ch c o u n t r y w o u l d t h e y m o v e t o???

The examples you give are not valid. The nationalities you mention in UK, US or Australia can GO BACK to their OWN countries.

Is this issue clear to you now or are you still blind to the facts???

[SonnyCash1]

"From Non Bengalis perspective MUJIB was a TRAITOR, MURDERER"

Its irrelevant what the Non-Bengali minority views are. These non-bengalis (including your father) may have benefited greatly from w.pak dominance. So they would not support Bangladeshi independence.

If 58% of Pakistan want one thing and ONLY 42% want another who really are the traitors!?

Furthermore of 70,000,000 ppl in E.Pak how many were non-bengalis?

Also your claims of only moral support given by biharis is a lie!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny. you said

"Some of the their actions and choices obviously led to an uproar."

You mean disagreement in action/approaches led to kill the opponent.

I feel pity on your approach. if your sister want to marry a boy disliked by other members, you people would KILL her.

Now its CLEAR why you people killed BIHARIES and it was also prooved that MUJIB was wrong thats why he was killed by the Bangladesh ARMY

[SonnyCash1]

YES the decision to support the Pak army and become informers leading to the death of innocent family members of freedom fighters obviously led reprisal killings.

This is an unfortunate common policy around the world throughout the history of time!

Your comments about "your sister want to marry a boy disliked by other members, you people would KILL her" is not VALID

Again why are you blaming Sheikh Mujib who was in prison in W.pakiland at the time of the killings! Confusing!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

You are too ignorant about the happenings took place in Bangladesh

I lost my father on 25th March 1971. Am talking about the barberic mass bloodshed started in Bangladesh in March 71.

This was the start, Mujib declared evolution of Bangladesh and moovement of CIVIL disorders. Mujib started gidiving ORDERS, I remember those days Banks were not paying us for more than 1000 Rs for a period of 1 week only.

Then pak Army started the operation and killed Banglasedshies and Indians. contd.

[SonnyCash1]

You start at 25th March but you should actually go back to 1947 for the start or at least 1970 when the populace chose Sheikh Mujib as Leader.

You write: "... Mujib declared evolution of Bangladesh and moovement of CIVIL disorders. Mujib started gidiving ORDERS"

"Civil Disorder" means strikes and non-cooperation in order for the authorities to recognise the legitimate vote of the masses. You have proven my point!

He gave orders as he was elected by 58% of the Pakistani population!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

I dont mind what Mujib did, it was his approach to his political strategies, my concern was only the KILLING OF BIHARIES by Mujib and his hooligans

[SonnyCash1]

You seem to be contradicting yourself. You mention his political actions then say it doesnt interest you what he did politically! You are obviously confused on this issue but I will be charitable and let you off.

With rgards to him personally killing Biharis - "my concern was only the KILLING OF BIHARIES by Mujib". When did this happen?

You seem to be the only one in history to accuse Mujib of killing Biharis!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

If you dont accept TRUTH , its useless to discuss this issue,

You deny MUJIB killing BIHARIES

Mujib strted giving orders to in March 1971. Killing of Non Bengalies were started in early March 1971 at various places in the entire BD. Gradually it gets increased momentum and was at FULL swing in last week of March 1971

The second phase of mass killing of Biharies started after you got FREEDOM and in the name of FREEDOM with cooperation and support of Indians you butchered Biharies

[SonnyCash1]

OK ... forgrty about your bias.

Tell me when did Mujib in his speeches say to kill Non-Bengalis?

Also you need to say that the majority of Bengali were in fear for their lives after MArch 25th ("The Last week of March" as you put it) due to Pakistans Operation Searchlight.

Its unfortunate but history contradicts your claims!

[MohammadiBegum]

Sonny

Dont get so innocent. You are not pleading in a typical Bangladeshi Court of Justice and interrogating

Such type of messages are not given publicly.

Do you beleive that without Mujib,s consent and approval, the mass killing were done.

Your poor approach to the subject led me to think its a waste of time to discuss this issue with you.

[MohammadiBegum]

Continuation,,,

Bangladeshies and Indian Mercenaries crossed the border and went back to India. Pak Army were searching those KILLER but all they steped in India. Out of frustration they killed bangladeshies.

In December 1971 Indian Army attacked East pakistan, Pak surrendered and then again Bangladeshi started killing people.

Bangledeshies do not endorse killing of Biharies and outcry for their own people which is very much NATURAL

[MohammadiBegum]

sonny

In December 1971 when Indian Army infiltrated in East Pakistan to make Bangladesh SHADHIN, Bengalies started killing Biharies, upon enquiries from Indian Army they were told that they are killing Pakistan Army personnel but soon they become aware of REALITY and then they saved many Biharies from Bangaleshies aggression and mass killings. From my neighbor 2 young Bihari Lad were taken by Bangladeshies for killing, continued.......

[abcw828]

The Bangladeshis are trying to capitalize on the worldwide anti-Pakistan bandwagon. This is mere fiction!!

[himel933]

You are wrong abcw828. You better study history a little. :)

[abcw828]

Right. So how come they havent confronted it for the last 37 years? Just when the US, India, Afghanistan & others are scheming to dismantle Pakistan, the Bangladeshis come up with their own sob story. What a coincidence!!

[himel933]

The war crime by Pakistan in '71 is a fact. We have been claiming our justice since then. I suppose abcw828 heard about this issue recently.

Anyway, ignorance is bliss, yet admitting it is professional. Unfortunately no one can't change the history.

[abcw828]

Even if Pakistan did commit atrocities, we are not the only ones. The East Pakistanis (future Bangladeshis) ALSO committed atrocities against our troops. Im not saying its BS, its just the timing that is funny. Just when everyone is mobilizing to destroy Pakistan, the Bangladeshis gain in importance & their voice is heard. WHat the Pakistani troops did waswrong, but the Bangladeshis should also pay.

[eltheniv23]

dude ... dont you see its obvious... who do you think ... decided to make a video of this? look at the damn host lol, you think any one really cared before? you have a great point ( from bangladesh my self ) but yea i agree with you actually and the other guy, bangladesh been trying to say something, but yea no one listened cus no one cared,,, n yes now that dey are trying to bring pakistan down, ... dey are gonna try to clean out the last piece of dirt pakistan Digged ...

[abcw828]

God curse you lot, I say here & now u lot deserved what u got. FUCK YOU!!

[abcw828]

Even if Pakistan did commit atrocities, we are not the only ones. The East Pakistanis (future Bangladeshis) ALSO committed atrocities against our troops. Im not saying its BS, its just the timing that is funny. Just when everyone is mobilizing to destroy Pakistan, the Bangladeshis gain in importance & their voice is heard. WHat the Pakistani troops did waswrong, but the Bangladeshis should also pay.

[tanisha121]

Let Muslims keep killing muslims! Oneday there will be none left. I feel good to hear of muslims being blown up or killed!! Pakistan is just a Waste of a Country and waste of a small space in this world! India Rules!! Pakistan will be wiped out oneday! Attack india at your peril! Us, Israel, India are the sSuper powers, Watch this space!

[abcw828]

Watch this space for what? Afghanistan, a smaller country with zero nuclear weapons, has captured the world's attention for last 30 years bcoz it was unstable. Pakistan is a far larger, far more populous country & it is armed with nuclear weapons. If Pakistan disintegrates, the world will never have a single day of peace. The world needs to make an alliance with liberal & secular Pakistanis to make sure that country does not fall apart, for a stable Pakistan is the only hope for world peace

[streincarnated]

Pakis are scumbags. I thought they were just the biggest exporter of terrorism in the world today,they have been going at it since time immemorial. I dont know if their military rulers can be punished though. their President had to step down because of the humiliating defeat in the '71 war and the genocide of 3,000,000 Bangladeshis (East Pakistanis) then. He'de dead now, though he deserved to be executed. The bangladesh ppl can however try to convict bangladeshis who were part of the massacre.

[gromell]

pakistani munafiks. islam does not tell us muslim to persecute non muslims!

[sunnk555]

The mass killing and brutality by Pakistan must be brought to World Court and there must be some Pakistan Military persons who can be punished for committing such atrocities