According to I Am Spock, in Shatner's original script the Enterprise actually finds God. Luckily Nimoy talked some sense into him. Some sense, mind you. It's still a fairly lackluster entry in the series.
Yes. This is not God, it is not Satan. It is simply one of the many super powerful beings they have encountered in the Star Trek Universe(Trelane, Q, etc). As he says, he's been imprisoned on this planet.
The point is not that there is no God, it's that THIS isn't God and you can't simply find God by travelling to a far off point in the galaxy.
@MagnaLudus you are wrong. even cavemen buried their dead in ritualistic fashions. not for health because they didnt know about germs. forever and ever man has believed in a higher power. a watcher. look it up. since written accounts there is religon. since man moved into the caves he thought there was more then just him.
@Deavi783 Of coarse, god attached the wire to Shatner's back simultaneously, for even god knows it takes more than the force of his lighting to rattle the might of James T. Kirk.
This scene was very important for Mccoy because earlier in the movie he had to watch his father die a painful death. He questions not only this fake god, but the idea of God in a world of evil.
I remember an episode of the old ( 1970's ) " Tomorrow Show " w / Tom Snyder. He had the cast of the original Trek & some of the producers, writers ( Harlan Ellison ) before there was even talk of movies or any new series. Anyway, DeForrest Kelly quipped about a movie where they meet God & find out that he's the Devil. I think somebody picked up Kelly's idea & used it as the basis for Star Trek V.
Yep, I remember the 70's. I'm showing my age..... ;)
TOS Who Mourns for Adonis? - "Mankind has no need of gods; the One is good enough for us". - Captain Kirk
Obviously Kirk believes...religion is definitely in Star Trek.
McCoy isn't saying that he doubts God, just "any god who inflicts pain FOR HIS OWN PLEASURE." Get the quote right. The God of the Bible says he takes no pleasure in hurting anyone. Therefore McCoy isn't denying God either. End of rant.
I have a message for you…He wants us to live in peace. He wants to provide for us. He’ll give us everything we ever wanted.
(KIRK)
…Accept him and you condemn all of us to slavery…nothing less than slavery…Or perhaps the thought of spending an eternity bending knee and attending sheep appeals to you?
If that one quote is all you're basing your claim on...good luck.
@BeybladeBrawls I know that it wasn't really "God" it was just another alien entity posing as God! star trek is full of them! the comment was only for comic effect! and by the way, I do not take into account blatantly non canon sources! the star trek "extended universe" books are not canon! only tv series & movies are! its an interesting premise for its origin but its not official star trek canon! there's nothing wrong with the books just don't expect the script writers to pay attention to them!
On second thought....DON'T watch the film, unless it's part of a set or something, it's HORRIBLE (and I LOVE Trek, TOS and TNG and DS9 and the new Trek, all of them...VOY and ENT not so much, but still) and...listen, you've already heard the best part, that was IT, the best part of the film, the ONLY good part is right there, where Kirk shows he has balls of steel and asks "What does God need with a starship?" and Spock and Bones do too...
@StoneKnivesBearskins I don't think so, I know they get out of there and eventually "God"--who isn't God but turn out to be...who knows, they never say--gets blown up by a whole couple of torpedoes or so...oy...
They all live, go camping, and then go on to a FAR better outing in Star Trek VI where eVERYTHING is better for their sendoff: one last, huge adventure, Kirk and Bones fight their way out of Klingon prison, Spock solves a mystery to save them, Sulu's a captain, EVERYONE shines...
@obiwanobiwan13 Oh, and love your name, by the way (mine's odd since I like TREK, Wars since the prequels, eh?) ;)
Trust me: Watch Stark Treks II, IV, VI, and VIII over and over, you WON'T be sorry, watch Star Trek I, aka Star trek: The Motion(less) Picture (it...is...SSSLLOOOWWW!) and Star Trek III and Star Trek X maybe once or twice, NEVER see Star Treks V (This) VII (THEY KILL KIRK! BADLY! AND HUMILIATE PICARD!) and IX (Just BAD...) unless you must, and XI is a fun new start--see it! :)
@obiwanobiwan13 I actually like 3, I've seen it several times.
I also know a whole lot about all the other movies, which is strange since I've never seen them. I once won a 'detail argument' with someone who had seen 7. LOL
This whole movie is about the false "maitreya" being exposed....that's why it got shit reviews and why they subsequently tried to destroy William Shatner. Also, on the hollywood walk-of-fame, Willaim Shatner is one of the few names that doesn't have an inverted pentagram next to his name! Hmmmmm..... he didn't sell his soul it seems....
No that's not what I meant. I'm not particularly religious. All I'm saying is that as great a creator (no pun intended) as Gene was he did have, particularly in the 80s and 90s, some beliefs that did not lend themselves to good TV or movies. He didn't want conflict for example. That's why, in my opinion, the early Next Generations tended to be dull. Also when it came to the original 6 movies he wanted that same philosophy but was thankfully overruled.
This being they encounter in this video is not actually God. There's many god-like entities we see throughout Star Trek (Q) and this is one of them. He just pretends to be the God we know for his benefit.
One of the hints that the movie gave that this being wasn't the real God was when the "paradise planet" they discovered turned out to be a barren desert. Besides, God isn't malevolent for doubting him, otherwise a lot of people would be dead today. Nor would he be trapped on a planet.
I don't think this represents the God of the Bible at all.
I admit sometimes a little perspective is needed and we don't all agree on why, what or when but God did not need starship in the bible and he doesn't take pleasure in death and desctruction.
Honestly McCoy's statement is Odd. Did the being laugh or something to make him believe he had enjoyed it?
This whole issue is ridiculous. Gene Roddenberry stated that in the future where Star Trek is set, religion is completely gone. Not a single human being on Earth believes in any diety. This was an important part of Roddenberrys mythology. He, himself, was a secular humanist and made it well-known to writers S.T - that religion and superstition and mystical thinking were not to be part of his universe. On Roddenberrys future Earth, everyone is an atheist and that world is the better for it.
And yet religion was prevalent in the Star Trek universe. The Way to Eden springs to mind. Religion was not gone but was not as important as it is now. Then lets not forget all the other races who clearly have religion.
@vomisacaasi There is a difference in Religion and Spirituality. The Bajoran's had their spiritual deities in The Prophets, Klingon's believed in Stovocor (aka Klingon Heaven) and Seven of Nine had a "Spiritual" experience when she saw the Omega particle. No one ever made mention of a religion really.
@trier4952 The Bajoran's and the Klingon's had a mythos surrounding their 'spiritual' deities thus making them religions. The Bajoran's has Vedics I believe which were their priests.
@vomisacaasi And what did "Eden" turn out to be? None of the other alien religions were created by Roddenbery. The closest thing he had were the buddhist-like rituals of vulcan logic. I was never more pissed at Trek then when Next Generation blatantly contradicted classic Trek-- "Klingons HAVE no devil".
@vomisacaasi Data also said in one episode that a religious celebration, forget which one, was being held. I find it strange then that a bunch of atheists would hold a religious celebration, I dont believe humans in start trek are all athiests.
Yes, tube. But Roddenberry said everyone on EARTH was, not in the galaxy.
Religion was presented in a lot of critical contexts. The TNG episode Who Watches the Watchers comes to mind. In it, the crew are exposed to a primitive people who mistake the advanced technology as "The Picard", a god.
A very recurring plotline was that some all-powerful being would set itself up as God but would eventually turn out to be nothing more than an advanced alien or megalomaniacal computer.
Watch the episode of TOS... the one with the Greek God Apollo.
Kirk: "We don't need your Gods. The one is enough." He says that after Apollo smites Scotty.
I of course recognize the context of the 1960s. Roddenberry also wanted a female first officer on the TOS Enterprise but that didn't happen. What he wanted isn't always what's cannon. However many times Christianity is proposed as myth, like in Wrath of Khan.
for the most part as I see it (i'm a christian but that doesn't in any way stop me from being a major trek fan) is that in the future earth humans decided that they need scientific proof of something to believe it's real.
If you lived in Gene Roddenberry's futuristic galaxy and presented a starfleet captain with undeniable scientific evidence that God was real he'd believe it. Like what Captain Archer said when he was asked if he believed in a religion "no, but i try to keep an open mind"
I don't completely understand what you're saying... but if you're saying that you couldn't reach God with a starship anyway I agree with you. If not please specify what you mean.
I didn't say that you couldn't reach God with a sparship, to which I agree, though I do say that in spiritual practice, there are several different states of nondual unity consciousness possible that show the nature of what is. You can reach god by letting go of physical mind, a.k.a ego, which is more effortless than thinking. Off-topic, good and evil can be defined mechanically: good is integrative, unitive; evil is segregative; negatively diversifying. It is physics.
Yes well its not like they do belive in God , they just know Him , its not like a mythological being that existed in the eyes of humanity as long as it can remember would just "dissapear"
It all has to do with faith. Atheism and Religion.
Some people have faith that a creator does not exist, and some people have faith that a creator exists. In the future it is not that religion is eliminated and secularism rules, it is that all belief systems live in harmony with eachother. Even though it will not always work, example Paw Raiths v. The Prophets. The bottom line is that nobody should judge people on what they believe. I believe God exists and that is my choice!
@loner1878 Thankfully Roddenberry's beliefs were not strictly adhered to or ALL of Star Trek would have been as dull as the first season of the Next Generation.
I wouldn't say that religion was ever completely gone from the Star Trek universe, but Roddenberry definitely believed that it was a primitive cultural trait not to be found among the more advanced civilizations in the galaxy.
@loner1878 This scene proves that people in the Star Trek world do have religion, they just aren't as preachy about it. Clearly Kirk has thought long and hard about the nature of God, and read a lot of scripture to ask that question. It seems a simple question, but really hardly anyone would as that. Also, the fact that the demon could assume any form it wanted and it chose the hebrew version of God suggests monotheism. Also, this whole movie is about true religion vs fanatical religion.
No, it doesn't. It just proves the writers of Star Trek did their own thing. Plus this particular film got crap reviews from most critics and fans - isn't it considered the worst of the films? That should speak for itself.
@loner1878 You're both right. And Monkey hits it that the 'critics' got their knives out because the movie draws a distinction between God and false god. Ebert, Siskel and all them were buncha fuckin' Hollywood liberals ... the movie destroys their worldview, of, there's no universal truth. Sybok found out he was WRONG, about the thing he wanted to worship. That had them in coniptions, and they all destroyed the movie .. and tried to destroy Shatner
@Padarack1 Oh come on. They did not pan the movie because it destroyed their world view. They panned it because it was not that good of a movie. Especially when compared to the ones that came before.
@loner187 And that is why Trek sucks and Babylon 5 rules. JMS may have been an atheist but at least he realized that religion plays an important part in the Human experience, something that was lacking in Trek. Everything that could be construed as religious or spiritual in Trek was a science puzzle to be analyzed and disproven or to be mocked as superstitious nonsense. They weren't satisfied that some things could not be quantified or explained fully by science.
@loner1878 "Not to be part of his universe"? You're forgetting TOS episode Bread and Circuses where the pseudo-Roman cultists worship the SON OF GOD. Also quite a bit of Star Trek dialogue, even as late as TNG, used religious terms like "oh my god". You can argue these are just figures of speech, but if religion no longer existed shouldn't the terminology have died out?
Those are Roddenberry's own words, not mine. Let me remind you of episodes like "Metamorphosis", "The Empath", “The Squire of Gothos” and (one of my personal favorites) "Who Watches the Watchers?" Please remember the writers for the show do live in the present. I'm an atheist and still say "oh my god" just out of habit.
@loner1878 funny how on the original ST then that they made a big fun in one episode that "only now" the people of one planet were discovering "the son of god"
Star Trek was always anti-organized religion and generally atheistic, but there seemed to be a certain respect for religion and the crew seemed to view it allegorically. God is an abstraction, a concept, to Kirk. The idea that religions evolved into a sort of spiritual humanism is prevalent throughout the series, even in my least favorite episode where they find the planet that resembles what Ancient Rome would be like with twentieth century technology.
@TheFlanker35 Has it been atheistic? I'm really only a fan of TOS, so I can't really consider myself exceptionally knowledgeable about the series, but the human characters seemed to be predominantly Christian... kind of embarrassingly so. At the very least, predominantly monotheistic.
Yeah, it's been atheistic, but it has maintained a good deal of respect for religion and acknowledges its historical role. This movie, especially the end, is quite atheistic/humanistic with Kirk saying that "maybe God isn't out there, maybe he's in here[pointing to McCoy's chest].
If your talking about the Apollo episode when Kirk says "Mankind has no need for gods; we find the one quite adequate", he's being sarcastic, saying that one god causes enough trouble.
@TheFlanker35 That episode did come to mind, but the first one that popped into my head was actually the worshiping the sun/worshiping the son episode. And I'd have to rewatch the episode, but I don't think "one god causes enough trouble" was the intent of the line. I mean, TOS was obviously made in a different time so... ya know... moral dissonance and all that.
I'm not a big fan of the Rome episode because of that stupid ending that makes no sense in any other language besides English, which I think was called "Bread and Circuses"(I must be turning into a Trekkie lol), but it's just asserting the positive role Christianity had in civilization's evolution.
William Shatner and Gene Roddenberry are/were both open atheists by 1968 so they probably worded the line to Apollo to avoid censors, but intended to imply atheism subtly.
@TheFlanker35 Huh. I knew Roddenberry was agnostic. I always thought Shatner was Jewish. I guess that's my new fact for the day... not sure how handy this knowledge is, but that's interesting I guess.
I think it was "Bread and Circuses" and it bugged me too. Mostly because monotheism is always implied to be better than polytheism in... idk... religious evolution or whatever.
Well, he's ethnically Jewish but didn't actually believe in the religion; his ancestors did, at least professedly. During Star Trek in 1968 he said "Emotionally I would like to believe there is a life after death. Intellectually . . . . I cannot accept the idea. . . . as for myself, I have finally come to the conclusion that life is here and now . . . and nothing more."
If you see this whole movie and Star Trek I, you see especially strong humanist themes.
@TheFlanker35 I know that now. Pulled some Google-fu before my last comment.
I've seen the movies. Just really wasn't looking for existential messages, I guess. And this particular movie I just watched for the LOL's. Not disagreeing with you, just thrown off by all those Christian'y moments in TOS. TBH, I'm equally a little miffed if the intent really was, humanity is atheistic and better for it. I've never been a fan of organized religion, but that philosophy always rubbed me the wrong way.
@PennyxXxDreadful "humanity is atheistic" yet religon has been around since the beginning of man... so to say they are athiestic is completely false. COMPLETELY. there are more religons/beliefs in a deity then you could ever hope to encounter in a life. religous people waaaaaaay outnumber athiests... by like 20000% so you should say humanity is a religous group of monkeys and in no way athiestic...
Or a more consistent possibility is that the Federation generally finds general monotheism to be practical and beneficial("adequate"), but only true in an allegorical or poetic sense. Kirk is Scots of Gaelic for church I think. The title of the Apollo episode is "Who mourns for Adonais", not just Adonis. Adonai is a Hebrew word for God too.
Kirk respects Greek polytheism too though.
"Would it have hurt us, I wonder, to have gathered a few laurel leaves? "
Just some useless triva...when they casted the roll for "God" they wanted Sean Connery, but he either declined the roll or was to busy to film, I cant remember...so they got the actor to play Shacorey...but there was a little joke in it, They wanted Sean Connery, and they named the god " Shacorey" if you pernounce Sean Connorys name slowiy you get gods name in the movie...I heard it on a commentary years ago.
A website alerted me to the fact that there was a (painfully obvious) wire used to drag Kirk back when he was zapped... go to 0:04, they're not kidding...
"I'm going to use it to screw with some Scientologists. I don't want to give away the surprise-- just trust me-- it's going to be hilarious. You in or not?"
Well its not about what God needs. Its what he uses. We don't need a TV remote to turn the channel yet we create 1 for convenience. We don't need vehicles we can walk. Of course, when ur God u can do what u want. Kirk shouldn't question LOL.
But the bible does seem to elude that God and his angels use chariots of fire or Wheels in the middle of a wheel. Does God need these things. No, but does he need heaven? Does he need to create? Does he need to exist? Theres more to God then the spiritual.
I strongly disagree. In our old fashioned thinking, we have put restraints on our selves. We have hoisted presupposition onto the matter of God, when in reality, we really know hardly anything of the universe.
And at the same time, we talk as if we had the special absolute knowledge that something "just cant be"
Never Understand? I disagree with ferocity.
Im am slowly but surly ridding myself of the old fashioned and dated thinking of the failed 20th century and 18th century
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I think a superior intelligence did put the universe into being and motion. My view is that atheism is an irrational misstep of the 20th century. So i leave it in the past, its old news.
However, im overwhelmed with excitement about the new knowledge that we have the potential to understand and realize from things we cant perceive with our inferior human senses.
Emanuel Kant considered this. Science is a limited tool of observation. We need something to observe the infinite immaterial world
Science is a tool that allows us to explain how things work the way they do. You're asking a question of causation, something that we as a species in our limited knowledge will never come to understand.
"We need something to observe the infinite immaterial world."
According to I Am Spock, in Shatner's original script the Enterprise actually finds God. Luckily Nimoy talked some sense into him. Some sense, mind you. It's still a fairly lackluster entry in the series.
BatmanOneOhOne 6 days ago
Yes. This is not God, it is not Satan. It is simply one of the many super powerful beings they have encountered in the Star Trek Universe(Trelane, Q, etc). As he says, he's been imprisoned on this planet.
The point is not that there is no God, it's that THIS isn't God and you can't simply find God by travelling to a far off point in the galaxy.
Mars2i0 3 weeks ago
@MagnaLudus sssssssssssssshhhhh, dont use logic, it makes them angry....
johnkerry7 1 month ago
So, what the hell is that thing? Is it Satan?
Leatherbubba 1 month ago
@Leatherbubba No it is not Satan. It is an alien of some sort.
vomisacaasi 1 month ago 2
@vomisacaasi I'm guessing it did battle with god and lost.
seanpatrickcain2 3 weeks ago
@Leatherbubba I think you didnt get the meaning of this scene.
Kretek 4 weeks ago
@Leatherbubba if it where satan, it whuld have not shot lighting at them. god is not good.
gethsoftware 4 weeks ago
What's up with videos on youtube with audio in only one ear?
DrBananaKing7000 3 months ago 6
@DrBananaKing7000 You need to check your connections. I have audio on both channels.
vomisacaasi 3 months ago
@vomisacaasi Ah, so it's just me then. Thanks, I'll have to check it.
DrBananaKing7000 3 months ago
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occupylb 3 months ago
@MagnaLudus you are wrong. even cavemen buried their dead in ritualistic fashions. not for health because they didnt know about germs. forever and ever man has believed in a higher power. a watcher. look it up. since written accounts there is religon. since man moved into the caves he thought there was more then just him.
MrGodssonsatan 5 months ago
Pause at 0:04 you can see the wire. lol
Deavi783 5 months ago 2
@Deavi783 Of coarse, god attached the wire to Shatner's back simultaneously, for even god knows it takes more than the force of his lighting to rattle the might of James T. Kirk.
mikedrummonds 2 months ago 2
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Deavi783 5 months ago
My friend Bruce totally looks like Leonard Nimoy :)
vidwatcher31951 8 months ago
This scene was very important for Mccoy because earlier in the movie he had to watch his father die a painful death. He questions not only this fake god, but the idea of God in a world of evil.
YesWeCantaloupe 8 months ago 5
"What does God need with a starship?" Hm..... What DOES God need with a Starship?
RockinIce19 10 months ago
@RockinIce19 He needs to use the litlle god's room, of course! ^_^
CalicoVall 10 months ago
Ugh, the editing in this is terrible.... like the rest of the film
UGOTNUKED 10 months ago
Be honest... how many of you caught yourselves listening for the sound of Kirk's head hitting the gravel when Bones leaves him to tend to Spock?
SnarkLicker 11 months ago 21
I dunno. I think this reflects god's character really well to be honest.
berner 11 months ago
@spectre0075
I'm an atheist and say "omg" and "god damn it" and such out of sheer habit.
Not sure what you mean with the last sentence there. Might want to rephrase the jumbled grammar.
loner1878 1 year ago
I remember an episode of the old ( 1970's ) " Tomorrow Show " w / Tom Snyder. He had the cast of the original Trek & some of the producers, writers ( Harlan Ellison ) before there was even talk of movies or any new series. Anyway, DeForrest Kelly quipped about a movie where they meet God & find out that he's the Devil. I think somebody picked up Kelly's idea & used it as the basis for Star Trek V.
Yep, I remember the 70's. I'm showing my age..... ;)
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
All gods are as fake as this one.
davidls11 1 year ago 3
They made god angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry...
bigdaddyaen 1 year ago
At least Kirks wig stayed on after he was zapped, that would have been embarrassing if it had fallen of in front of the almighty.
TJmoneymaker13 1 year ago
LOL @ all the people in here trying to defend religion. Why aren't you confident enough in your beliefs to ignore what others say about them?
anditslikethat 1 year ago 14
@anditslikethat because...its THEIR mission in life to convert people... **rolls eyes**.....sigh......
johnkerry7 1 month ago
TOS Who Mourns for Adonis? - "Mankind has no need of gods; the One is good enough for us". - Captain Kirk
Obviously Kirk believes...religion is definitely in Star Trek.
McCoy isn't saying that he doubts God, just "any god who inflicts pain FOR HIS OWN PLEASURE." Get the quote right. The God of the Bible says he takes no pleasure in hurting anyone. Therefore McCoy isn't denying God either. End of rant.
MysteryGirl221B 1 year ago 2
@MysteryGirl221B
Funny you cite that episode:
(PALAMAS)
I have a message for you…He wants us to live in peace. He wants to provide for us. He’ll give us everything we ever wanted.
(KIRK)
…Accept him and you condemn all of us to slavery…nothing less than slavery…Or perhaps the thought of spending an eternity bending knee and attending sheep appeals to you?
If that one quote is all you're basing your claim on...good luck.
loner1878 1 year ago
TOS Who Mourns for Adonis? - "Mankind has no need of gods; the One is good enough for us". - Captain Kirk
Obviously Kirk believes...religion is definitely in Star Trek.
MysteryGirl221B 1 year ago
If Satan is 666 then God is 777 so that means Kirk is 888. This monkey gone to heaven
BonScottAC 1 year ago
@BonScottAC
Thats a mistranslation. The number is actually 616 or something.
loner1878 1 year ago
No one messes with Kirk, not even God himself!
katakisLives 1 year ago
@katakisLives lol that is not God you fool, but an ally of 0 a crazy former Q who was banished and is no longer a Q. read books.
BeybladeBrawls 1 year ago
@BeybladeBrawls I know that it wasn't really "God" it was just another alien entity posing as God! star trek is full of them! the comment was only for comic effect! and by the way, I do not take into account blatantly non canon sources! the star trek "extended universe" books are not canon! only tv series & movies are! its an interesting premise for its origin but its not official star trek canon! there's nothing wrong with the books just don't expect the script writers to pay attention to them!
katakisLives 1 year ago
0:04 Epic wire in your shoulder that they forgot to erase, Mr. Shatner!
MasterMacLeod 1 year ago 2
AAAAAH! What Happens Next!!!!! Does 'god' zap Bones?
Poor little me. I haven't seen this movie.
I do like it, however, that Bones is risking being zapped, and who knows how much that Hurts, because he doesn't like what 'god' did to his friends.
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago
@StoneKnivesBearskins Watch the film and find ou--
On second thought....DON'T watch the film, unless it's part of a set or something, it's HORRIBLE (and I LOVE Trek, TOS and TNG and DS9 and the new Trek, all of them...VOY and ENT not so much, but still) and...listen, you've already heard the best part, that was IT, the best part of the film, the ONLY good part is right there, where Kirk shows he has balls of steel and asks "What does God need with a starship?" and Spock and Bones do too...
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago
@obiwanobiwan13 But does Bones get zapped? What happens next!!!!! Somebody, tell me!!!!!
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago
@StoneKnivesBearskins I don't think so, I know they get out of there and eventually "God"--who isn't God but turn out to be...who knows, they never say--gets blown up by a whole couple of torpedoes or so...oy...
They all live, go camping, and then go on to a FAR better outing in Star Trek VI where eVERYTHING is better for their sendoff: one last, huge adventure, Kirk and Bones fight their way out of Klingon prison, Spock solves a mystery to save them, Sulu's a captain, EVERYONE shines...
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago
@obiwanobiwan13 Oh, and love your name, by the way (mine's odd since I like TREK, Wars since the prequels, eh?) ;)
Trust me: Watch Stark Treks II, IV, VI, and VIII over and over, you WON'T be sorry, watch Star Trek I, aka Star trek: The Motion(less) Picture (it...is...SSSLLOOOWWW!) and Star Trek III and Star Trek X maybe once or twice, NEVER see Star Treks V (This) VII (THEY KILL KIRK! BADLY! AND HUMILIATE PICARD!) and IX (Just BAD...) unless you must, and XI is a fun new start--see it! :)
obiwanobiwan13 1 year ago
@obiwanobiwan13 I actually like 3, I've seen it several times.
I also know a whole lot about all the other movies, which is strange since I've never seen them. I once won a 'detail argument' with someone who had seen 7. LOL
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago
@obiwanobiwan13 Why thank you for liking my name. Can you guess where I got it, exactly?
StoneKnivesBearskins 1 year ago
This whole movie is about the false "maitreya" being exposed....that's why it got shit reviews and why they subsequently tried to destroy William Shatner. Also, on the hollywood walk-of-fame, Willaim Shatner is one of the few names that doesn't have an inverted pentagram next to his name! Hmmmmm..... he didn't sell his soul it seems....
monkeyGOODcipherBAD 1 year ago
No that's not what I meant. I'm not particularly religious. All I'm saying is that as great a creator (no pun intended) as Gene was he did have, particularly in the 80s and 90s, some beliefs that did not lend themselves to good TV or movies. He didn't want conflict for example. That's why, in my opinion, the early Next Generations tended to be dull. Also when it came to the original 6 movies he wanted that same philosophy but was thankfully overruled.
stafflvr 1 year ago
@stafflvr
And that relates to this thread discussion how?
loner1878 1 year ago
"I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure" - Exactly why I left Catholicism.
GhostmakerX 1 year ago 5
Kirk is the only man who can be shot by god, and just get up like it was nothing.
waffleownage 1 year ago
Bones 1, God 0
kevlonk 1 year ago 5
haha when i watched this movie im like "holy shit that thing is a bitch, you better get the fuck off that planet and fast"
charliepossenriede 1 year ago
katmatally wins the Internet, game over guys.
Trendkillertrendy 1 year ago
"Jesus Christ, it's a liar! Get in the ship!"
katmatally 1 year ago
"I doubt any god who inflicts pain for his own pleasure."
One of the best quotes of all time. ^^
VenomFrogX 1 year ago 5
haha god has laser eyes
SnowandGlasgowfilms 1 year ago
This being they encounter in this video is not actually God. There's many god-like entities we see throughout Star Trek (Q) and this is one of them. He just pretends to be the God we know for his benefit.
One of the hints that the movie gave that this being wasn't the real God was when the "paradise planet" they discovered turned out to be a barren desert. Besides, God isn't malevolent for doubting him, otherwise a lot of people would be dead today. Nor would he be trapped on a planet.
SkaarjSlayer 1 year ago
Poor Spock
THEJ0KES0nBatsy 2 years ago
@THEJ0KES0nBatsy He's had worse.
GoblinXXX 1 year ago
Go McCoy!
DaddlerTheDalek 2 years ago 30
goddd daymn!!
alphathewolf 2 years ago 2
I think this scene contains one of Spock's finest moments. It's so him and how he would respond/what he would say!
That and the whole shore leave sequence.
fhdude1 2 years ago 5
I'm with Dr. McCoy. A god "who inflicts pain for His own pleasure"? That's not the God I was taught to believe in!
zvermilyer3 2 years ago 30
@zvermilyer3 That's god of the bible though, except it usually involves death and hell right after.
Sk2k52 2 years ago 4
lol silly. it's only a movie.
megaman90 2 years ago
Indeed.
BeardedBill86 2 years ago
Nevertheless, that's the god of the bible. I don't personally believe in god.
SternMann93 2 years ago 4
Well, I do believe in God, but I'm not going to argue with you; you're entitled to your opinion.
zvermilyer3 2 years ago 4
@SternMann93
I don't think this represents the God of the Bible at all.
I admit sometimes a little perspective is needed and we don't all agree on why, what or when but God did not need starship in the bible and he doesn't take pleasure in death and desctruction.
Honestly McCoy's statement is Odd. Did the being laugh or something to make him believe he had enjoyed it?
saquist 1 year ago
The god do not need a starship.
This man is not a god.
This man is a bad alien.
Let's destroy this man with a photon torpedo.
JapanIdeaman 2 years ago 13
This whole issue is ridiculous. Gene Roddenberry stated that in the future where Star Trek is set, religion is completely gone. Not a single human being on Earth believes in any diety. This was an important part of Roddenberrys mythology. He, himself, was a secular humanist and made it well-known to writers S.T - that religion and superstition and mystical thinking were not to be part of his universe. On Roddenberrys future Earth, everyone is an atheist and that world is the better for it.
loner1878 2 years ago 39
And yet religion was prevalent in the Star Trek universe. The Way to Eden springs to mind. Religion was not gone but was not as important as it is now. Then lets not forget all the other races who clearly have religion.
vomisacaasi 2 years ago 8
@vomisacaasi There is a difference in Religion and Spirituality. The Bajoran's had their spiritual deities in The Prophets, Klingon's believed in Stovocor (aka Klingon Heaven) and Seven of Nine had a "Spiritual" experience when she saw the Omega particle. No one ever made mention of a religion really.
trier4952 1 year ago
@trier4952 The Bajoran's and the Klingon's had a mythos surrounding their 'spiritual' deities thus making them religions. The Bajoran's has Vedics I believe which were their priests.
vomisacaasi 1 year ago 12
@vomisacaasi
The Vedics were more like Cardinals.
thundersnake1 1 year ago
@vomisacaasi And what did "Eden" turn out to be? None of the other alien religions were created by Roddenbery. The closest thing he had were the buddhist-like rituals of vulcan logic. I was never more pissed at Trek then when Next Generation blatantly contradicted classic Trek-- "Klingons HAVE no devil".
GoblinXXX 1 year ago
@vomisacaasi Data also said in one episode that a religious celebration, forget which one, was being held. I find it strange then that a bunch of atheists would hold a religious celebration, I dont believe humans in start trek are all athiests.
MrRobertSama 1 year ago
Yes, tube. But Roddenberry said everyone on EARTH was, not in the galaxy.
Religion was presented in a lot of critical contexts. The TNG episode Who Watches the Watchers comes to mind. In it, the crew are exposed to a primitive people who mistake the advanced technology as "The Picard", a god.
A very recurring plotline was that some all-powerful being would set itself up as God but would eventually turn out to be nothing more than an advanced alien or megalomaniacal computer.
loner1878 2 years ago 2
Watch the episode of TOS... the one with the Greek God Apollo.
Kirk: "We don't need your Gods. The one is enough." He says that after Apollo smites Scotty.
I of course recognize the context of the 1960s. Roddenberry also wanted a female first officer on the TOS Enterprise but that didn't happen. What he wanted isn't always what's cannon. However many times Christianity is proposed as myth, like in Wrath of Khan.
I suppose in ST everyone is more... agnostic.
captainbossi 2 years ago 7
for the most part as I see it (i'm a christian but that doesn't in any way stop me from being a major trek fan) is that in the future earth humans decided that they need scientific proof of something to believe it's real.
If you lived in Gene Roddenberry's futuristic galaxy and presented a starfleet captain with undeniable scientific evidence that God was real he'd believe it. Like what Captain Archer said when he was asked if he believed in a religion "no, but i try to keep an open mind"
visionary1138 2 years ago 7
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If one is really spiritual, god would not be two with the universe, not even in reflection.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
I don't completely understand what you're saying... but if you're saying that you couldn't reach God with a starship anyway I agree with you. If not please specify what you mean.
visionary1138 2 years ago
I didn't say that you couldn't reach God with a sparship, to which I agree, though I do say that in spiritual practice, there are several different states of nondual unity consciousness possible that show the nature of what is. You can reach god by letting go of physical mind, a.k.a ego, which is more effortless than thinking. Off-topic, good and evil can be defined mechanically: good is integrative, unitive; evil is segregative; negatively diversifying. It is physics.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Yes well its not like they do belive in God , they just know Him , its not like a mythological being that existed in the eyes of humanity as long as it can remember would just "dissapear"
The one who realy was religious was the Vulcan.
kennu7776 2 years ago
@loner1878
It all has to do with faith. Atheism and Religion.
Some people have faith that a creator does not exist, and some people have faith that a creator exists. In the future it is not that religion is eliminated and secularism rules, it is that all belief systems live in harmony with eachother. Even though it will not always work, example Paw Raiths v. The Prophets. The bottom line is that nobody should judge people on what they believe. I believe God exists and that is my choice!
thundersnake1 1 year ago
@thundersnake1
It is your choice. Who's criticizing that?
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878
Many people like to criticize each other due to religious beliefs. That was the point.
thundersnake1 1 year ago
@loner1878 Thankfully Roddenberry's beliefs were not strictly adhered to or ALL of Star Trek would have been as dull as the first season of the Next Generation.
stafflvr 1 year ago
@stafflvr
lol, so you're saying Star Trek's success is purely due to religion?
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878
I wouldn't say that religion was ever completely gone from the Star Trek universe, but Roddenberry definitely believed that it was a primitive cultural trait not to be found among the more advanced civilizations in the galaxy.
logik316 1 year ago
@loner1878 I think that this proves otherwise, not only that, but it proves that whoever wrote this script, new full well of what demons really are.
monkeyGOODcipherBAD 1 year ago
@monkeyGOODcipherBAD
What proves what otherwise?
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 This scene proves that people in the Star Trek world do have religion, they just aren't as preachy about it. Clearly Kirk has thought long and hard about the nature of God, and read a lot of scripture to ask that question. It seems a simple question, but really hardly anyone would as that. Also, the fact that the demon could assume any form it wanted and it chose the hebrew version of God suggests monotheism. Also, this whole movie is about true religion vs fanatical religion.
monkeyGOODcipherBAD 1 year ago
@monkeyGOODcipherBAD
No, it doesn't. It just proves the writers of Star Trek did their own thing. Plus this particular film got crap reviews from most critics and fans - isn't it considered the worst of the films? That should speak for itself.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 It is considered the worst of the films because it goes against the satanic teachings of the "maitreya" and exposes him as false!
monkeyGOODcipherBAD 1 year ago
@monkeyGOODcipherBAD
Aw, you felt bad enough to block me? My heart's broken! LOL
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 You're both right. And Monkey hits it that the 'critics' got their knives out because the movie draws a distinction between God and false god. Ebert, Siskel and all them were buncha fuckin' Hollywood liberals ... the movie destroys their worldview, of, there's no universal truth. Sybok found out he was WRONG, about the thing he wanted to worship. That had them in coniptions, and they all destroyed the movie .. and tried to destroy Shatner
Padarack1 1 year ago
@Padarack1 Oh come on. They did not pan the movie because it destroyed their world view. They panned it because it was not that good of a movie. Especially when compared to the ones that came before.
It had a weak script with a few good scenes.
vomisacaasi 1 year ago
@loner187 And that is why Trek sucks and Babylon 5 rules. JMS may have been an atheist but at least he realized that religion plays an important part in the Human experience, something that was lacking in Trek. Everything that could be construed as religious or spiritual in Trek was a science puzzle to be analyzed and disproven or to be mocked as superstitious nonsense. They weren't satisfied that some things could not be quantified or explained fully by science.
Fbueller129 1 year ago
@Fbueller129
Nah, thats why Trek rules. Religion is superstitious nonsense.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 yes also how on that one planet where dr.crusher gramps died and stuff as well they had religion.
BeybladeBrawls 1 year ago
@BeybladeBrawls
Can't be bothered with naming the actual episode, I see.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 i fuckin forgot the name nigga, damn. i dont memorize every episode. look it up.
BeybladeBrawls 1 year ago
@BeybladeBrawls
Maybe after you learn to spell.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 You're an asshole. You death note emo loser.
BeybladeBrawls 1 year ago
@BeybladeBrawls
LOL, sure thing you Eragon geek.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 "Not to be part of his universe"? You're forgetting TOS episode Bread and Circuses where the pseudo-Roman cultists worship the SON OF GOD. Also quite a bit of Star Trek dialogue, even as late as TNG, used religious terms like "oh my god". You can argue these are just figures of speech, but if religion no longer existed shouldn't the terminology have died out?
FormerHumanX 1 year ago
@FormerHumanX
Those are Roddenberry's own words, not mine. Let me remind you of episodes like "Metamorphosis", "The Empath", “The Squire of Gothos” and (one of my personal favorites) "Who Watches the Watchers?" Please remember the writers for the show do live in the present. I'm an atheist and still say "oh my god" just out of habit.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 To be fair, the entire plot of Star Trek III, involving Spock's soul, is pretty religion-influence. But that's just my opinion
Bladerunner93 1 year ago
@loner1878 funny how on the original ST then that they made a big fun in one episode that "only now" the people of one planet were discovering "the son of god"
ravensheart1369 1 year ago
@ravensheart1369
And in plenty of other episodes they mock the concept of a god. Poor argument.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878,
Star Trek was always anti-organized religion and generally atheistic, but there seemed to be a certain respect for religion and the crew seemed to view it allegorically. God is an abstraction, a concept, to Kirk. The idea that religions evolved into a sort of spiritual humanism is prevalent throughout the series, even in my least favorite episode where they find the planet that resembles what Ancient Rome would be like with twentieth century technology.
TheFlanker35 11 months ago
@TheFlanker35 Has it been atheistic? I'm really only a fan of TOS, so I can't really consider myself exceptionally knowledgeable about the series, but the human characters seemed to be predominantly Christian... kind of embarrassingly so. At the very least, predominantly monotheistic.
PennyxXxDreadful 11 months ago
@PennyxXxDreadful,
Yeah, it's been atheistic, but it has maintained a good deal of respect for religion and acknowledges its historical role. This movie, especially the end, is quite atheistic/humanistic with Kirk saying that "maybe God isn't out there, maybe he's in here[pointing to McCoy's chest].
If your talking about the Apollo episode when Kirk says "Mankind has no need for gods; we find the one quite adequate", he's being sarcastic, saying that one god causes enough trouble.
TheFlanker35 11 months ago
@TheFlanker35 That episode did come to mind, but the first one that popped into my head was actually the worshiping the sun/worshiping the son episode. And I'd have to rewatch the episode, but I don't think "one god causes enough trouble" was the intent of the line. I mean, TOS was obviously made in a different time so... ya know... moral dissonance and all that.
PennyxXxDreadful 11 months ago
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TheFlanker35 11 months ago
@PennyxXxDreadful,
I'm not a big fan of the Rome episode because of that stupid ending that makes no sense in any other language besides English, which I think was called "Bread and Circuses"(I must be turning into a Trekkie lol), but it's just asserting the positive role Christianity had in civilization's evolution.
William Shatner and Gene Roddenberry are/were both open atheists by 1968 so they probably worded the line to Apollo to avoid censors, but intended to imply atheism subtly.
TheFlanker35 11 months ago
@TheFlanker35 Huh. I knew Roddenberry was agnostic. I always thought Shatner was Jewish. I guess that's my new fact for the day... not sure how handy this knowledge is, but that's interesting I guess.
I think it was "Bread and Circuses" and it bugged me too. Mostly because monotheism is always implied to be better than polytheism in... idk... religious evolution or whatever.
PennyxXxDreadful 11 months ago
@PennyxXxDreadful,
Well, he's ethnically Jewish but didn't actually believe in the religion; his ancestors did, at least professedly. During Star Trek in 1968 he said "Emotionally I would like to believe there is a life after death. Intellectually . . . . I cannot accept the idea. . . . as for myself, I have finally come to the conclusion that life is here and now . . . and nothing more."
If you see this whole movie and Star Trek I, you see especially strong humanist themes.
TheFlanker35 11 months ago
@TheFlanker35 I know that now. Pulled some Google-fu before my last comment.
I've seen the movies. Just really wasn't looking for existential messages, I guess. And this particular movie I just watched for the LOL's. Not disagreeing with you, just thrown off by all those Christian'y moments in TOS. TBH, I'm equally a little miffed if the intent really was, humanity is atheistic and better for it. I've never been a fan of organized religion, but that philosophy always rubbed me the wrong way.
PennyxXxDreadful 11 months ago
@PennyxXxDreadful "humanity is atheistic" yet religon has been around since the beginning of man... so to say they are athiestic is completely false. COMPLETELY. there are more religons/beliefs in a deity then you could ever hope to encounter in a life. religous people waaaaaaay outnumber athiests... by like 20000% so you should say humanity is a religous group of monkeys and in no way athiestic...
MrGodssonsatan 9 months ago
@PennyxXxDreadful
Well, monotheism IS better than polytheism. It's closer to the true number of gods.
gguilford72 9 months ago
@gguilford72 Don't be an ass. Or rather, feel free to be an ass. There's no law against it. Just please don't be an ass at me.
PennyxXxDreadful 9 months ago
@PennyxXxDreadful
I guess one man's comedy is another man's dickishness.
gguilford72 9 months ago 2
@gguilford72 it's still 1 way too many.
kingofgames1220 8 months ago
@gguilford72
None.
Synthe 5 months ago
@PennyxXxDreadful,
Or a more consistent possibility is that the Federation generally finds general monotheism to be practical and beneficial("adequate"), but only true in an allegorical or poetic sense. Kirk is Scots of Gaelic for church I think. The title of the Apollo episode is "Who mourns for Adonais", not just Adonis. Adonai is a Hebrew word for God too.
Kirk respects Greek polytheism too though.
"Would it have hurt us, I wonder, to have gathered a few laurel leaves? "
It's humanist
TheFlanker35 11 months ago
Just some useless triva...when they casted the roll for "God" they wanted Sean Connery, but he either declined the roll or was to busy to film, I cant remember...so they got the actor to play Shacorey...but there was a little joke in it, They wanted Sean Connery, and they named the god " Shacorey" if you pernounce Sean Connorys name slowiy you get gods name in the movie...I heard it on a commentary years ago.
Ben1977820 2 years ago
FAIL.
They wanted Connery to play Spocks Brother, not God.
MrBigglessworth 2 years ago
WIRE LOL
Malicorian 2 years ago
A website alerted me to the fact that there was a (painfully obvious) wire used to drag Kirk back when he was zapped... go to 0:04, they're not kidding...
psifla 2 years ago 7
I SEE IT!!!! LOL
dirtydog104 2 years ago
WIRE FTW!!!
Bartman954 2 years ago
"What does god need with a starship?"
"I'm going to use it to screw with some Scientologists. I don't want to give away the surprise-- just trust me-- it's going to be hilarious. You in or not?"
CatAtomic99 2 years ago 106
EPIC! CatAtomic99, you are my favorite person ever for that comment.
XxAlmightyStanxX 2 years ago
Any way to bash religion I'll be there. As long as religion isn't bashing back with weapons. o_o
Grykus7 2 years ago
That is one of the best comments ever on Youtube.
anthonyct 2 years ago
lol
stopfederalism08 2 years ago
Well its not about what God needs. Its what he uses. We don't need a TV remote to turn the channel yet we create 1 for convenience. We don't need vehicles we can walk. Of course, when ur God u can do what u want. Kirk shouldn't question LOL.
But the bible does seem to elude that God and his angels use chariots of fire or Wheels in the middle of a wheel. Does God need these things. No, but does he need heaven? Does he need to create? Does he need to exist? Theres more to God then the spiritual.
MinWilliamJosephWWM 1 year ago
@CatAtomic99 In? Like Flynn. What? I need 5 minutes. New batteries for a dozen camcorders. We're not "Mcgruder-filming" something THIS fun.
HotaruZoku 1 year ago
I love these guys, just love them!
alma1980sommerregen 2 years ago 4
McCoy IS god
PlutoEmmaloo 2 years ago 21
Oh thats showin' real good logic there, Spock- ask the same damn question that got Kirk zapped by the big angry jellyfish god.
(I am in control of my-) *ZAP!* ''ahhhhhh!'' *wets self*
cosmoline626 2 years ago 8
Also... Star Trek IV is The Voyage Home, not Final Frontier. I think you mean Star Trek V.
nearfantastica 2 years ago 7
Good catch. This thing has been up for over a year and you are the first to notice.
vomisacaasi 2 years ago 4
Just doing my Trekkie duty. ;)
nearfantastica 2 years ago 7
McCoy's got balls. You show that "God", Bones!
nearfantastica 2 years ago 48
"God's Dead, Jim"
bartyfarslar 2 years ago 23
Where did DantarBlade's comments go? He said some really dumb stuff that I'd like to respond to.
majorvoltage 2 years ago
any god that is anray
rurh1981 2 years ago
I strongly disagree. In our old fashioned thinking, we have put restraints on our selves. We have hoisted presupposition onto the matter of God, when in reality, we really know hardly anything of the universe.
And at the same time, we talk as if we had the special absolute knowledge that something "just cant be"
Never Understand? I disagree with ferocity.
Im am slowly but surly ridding myself of the old fashioned and dated thinking of the failed 20th century and 18th century
fallenwillrise 2 years ago 4
lol...
well good luck
AXinthevoid 2 years ago
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I think a superior intelligence did put the universe into being and motion. My view is that atheism is an irrational misstep of the 20th century. So i leave it in the past, its old news.
However, im overwhelmed with excitement about the new knowledge that we have the potential to understand and realize from things we cant perceive with our inferior human senses.
Emanuel Kant considered this. Science is a limited tool of observation. We need something to observe the infinite immaterial world
fallenwillrise 2 years ago
Science is a tool that allows us to explain how things work the way they do. You're asking a question of causation, something that we as a species in our limited knowledge will never come to understand.
"We need something to observe the infinite immaterial world."
This is impossible, and likely to never happen.
AXinthevoid 2 years ago 4
Nice...God Is a badass
sbwrestlefan92 2 years ago
the moral lesson: dont ask God questions that is related with starship.
astrologio 2 years ago 6
and if he asks for your starship, you give him the starship!
RUFan4Life 2 years ago 6
The hell you do! ;)
he wants it, then he has to take it!
TheDrowWarrior1 2 years ago
God: "Please?"
RUFan4Life 2 years ago
lol well since you asked nicely...
TheDrowWarrior1 2 years ago
Better not be a lemon!
RUFan4Life 2 years ago
hahahahahaha
rayruiz12345 2 years ago 4
You can totally see the wire yanking Kirk back 0:04 LOL
Headbanger142 2 years ago 3
loooool true
DmasterX69 2 years ago
this was the first episode i ever saw of this star trek I watch it almost everyday and i still don't understand some parts of it.
kjvrachel 2 years ago