Reason's Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch Present The Declaration of Independents

[999qoou]

awesome



[djstorm75]

Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch go suck more Koch-Cock. (pronounced khaak-khaak)

[RepublicConstitution]

The only problem I have with CATO and Reason TV affiliated types is that they are closely connected with the Koch's and they ALL tend to downplay to role of Dr. Ron Paul. There is a division within libertarianism with the CATO types being a bit more neo-con/pro-war and the Mises Institute/Lew Rockwell/Murray Rothbard group being staunchly anti-war and anti-monopoly.

[Madfoot713]

@RepublicConstitution It's useful to follow the money, but I think the Koch connections are overblown. It's annoying when liberals do it, and it's still annoying when misesians talk about it. I think it's a philosophical difference, and a legitimate one, where the Kochtopus is more Randian and sympathetic to foreign intervention, while the Rockwell crowd is more socially conservative and religious (paradoxically - since Rothbard was an atheist).

Me? I'm glad Mises and Cato both exist.

[mtanousable]

@Madfoot713 I agree. Instead of focusing on differences, we should be focusing on points of agreement. Separated into groups, libertarians have little sway, but if the focus is on the vast gulf between libertarianism and the standard big-government policies of the "Republicrats", the message gains more sway. Instead of rebelling against the "Ron Paul Revolution", Cato and Reason should be embracing it, and debating the more minor specifics once it, hopefully, gains widespread acceptance.

[Madfoot713]

@mtanousable I think they have been doing that, it's kind of cool how how Paul's campaign has mended some of the wounds. :D I saw Nick Gillespie on C-SPAN yesterday, and he was objective about Ron Paul, but overall favorable.

[possumpistol]

if the 'drug war' was not a huge part of libertarianism during a time when other issues are so much larger TARP/spending/war/empirebuild/­debt ceiling/big gov/etc, more folks would be willing to listen/moral issues would follow/think?/ I applaud that Libertarians understand & believe the laws in the US Constitution/ we are a republic, not a democracy/Freedom is the will to be responsible to ourselves F Nietzsche/SELF: responsibility+reliability+suf­ficiency=Self respect

[daPlumber702]

@possumpistol The drug war wastes more money, takes more people out of the workplace -hence wasting more money- etc etc you've heard the arguments.. It IS without a doubt one of the top things that must be addressed for us to fix the budget and government growing beyond it's means. It might even help the war angle seeing as how many wars today are fueled by an illegal drug trade. Were those drugs legal, the ones going to war with the money made from selling them would have to find other means.

[JudgeNapolitanoFTW]

I LOVE REASON!

[666sigma]

About half way through, he hits the nail on the head. The Tea Party is largely made up of former Republicans who realize that their party does not represent their interests. I don't see any material difference between Neocons and Democrats. Both are Pro Big Government. One cozies up to the MIC and Corporate Entitlement Class and the other to Wall Street, Lawyers and Unions.

The movement will take off when Democrats wake up realize their party does not represent them, either.

[666sigma]

So far, the DNC and Left Wing Media has been successful in convincing the morons in the Democratic Party that the Tea Party is a bunch of racists, right wing looney tunes and/or controlled by the Koch brothers. It should be obvious that they are not. As pointed out, they won't sell out. They will vote for a loosing candidate rather than sell out to another Neocon.

People should see that Obama's policies are almost identical to Bush's: wars, Patriot Act, uncontrolled spending.

[DynamicUnreality]

@cheneygottagun I'd have looked, too. And if his wife were to freak out about an innocent look at a nice ass, its time for a divorce anyhow.

[rumco]

All of this is not enough. Read Rothbard, end the State.

[boredmonkey29]

@rumco Aside from reading Rothbard and complaining about people who are actually doing something, what are you doing to actually end the State in the real world?

[rumco]

@boredmonkey29 I pay less taxes, run anti-state and pro liberty websites, donate to similar causes, write articles, and spread the liberty through learning more about it. You?

[boredmonkey29]

@rumco "Pay less taxes" meaning you pay taxes. What websites?

[rumco]

@boredmonkey29 I avoid paying taxes as much as I can. Nor do I consume taxes purposely. Regional, non-English website(s) dedicated to Austrian School and market anarchism.

[MooseOfReason]

6:30 - "Paul crushed Giuliani like a grape."

Like a boss.

[mangoswiss]

Love David Boaz's accent. Is that a Kentucky accent?

[ND066]

@mangoswiss Im from Kentucky and he sounds pretty much normal to me. So... maybe so. I must admit I didnt notice his accent until I read your comment.

[mangoswiss]

@ND066 It's a great accent. I'm from the UK so it's very noticeable to me. Kentucky accent takes 2nd place though. First place goes to Minnesota Nice.

[fliegeroh]

I remember reading a book in 1972 called "The Greening of America" where the author pulled together a lot of current events and current media and described it as a "revolution". I think these guys are equally banal and are equally wrong.

[Aryaba]

@fliegeroh Then you haven't been paying attention.

[JohnTightlips]

California Uber Ales

Perfect song considering Governor Jerry Brown resurrection. 

[Panpiper]

As a fan of both the Cato Institute 'and' Reason magazine, this was a very sweet presentation to find in my subscriptions box.

Looks like I have a book to buy.

[JohnTightlips]

@Panpiper

I tried the ultra super "like" button.

[humanhiveanomaly]

@46:55 LOL I love the accent!

[BigDaddyDJD]

winning