It's the Christian extremists who give so many thumbs down to the evolution videos. They've been attacking and killing anyone who disagreed with them ever since Christianity become the religion of the Roman Empire.
And yet, they're so wrong. The idea of hell came from a garbage dump near Jerusalem. It was smelly, so they burned the garbage, along with the bodies of executed criminals. Flames, bodies, that's where the idea of hell came from. It's in The History of the Devil, The History Channel.
I wouldn't say a weak jaw muscle was the product of mutation. Mutations very rarely spread to an entier population since its only prominent in the individual and its direct offsprings. If fire was mastered by the homo erectus then their food would be easier to chew making a strong jaw redundant. How ever, to create fire you need to be pretty smart which means the brain must already have began to grow before the jaws got weaker. Intelligence is better than chewing power, so it selected for.
Saying humans co-operate without self centered gain is also foolish, because....would you ever work at your job if you didn't get any money for it?
The video before this showed a chimp that "quit his job" after he found out he wasn't going to get any reward by helping out that other asshole ape get the food.
2:56 is absolutely false. Humans are just as selfish, the only times we're not selfish is when its not life threatening or we have a ridiculous amount of excess. Kids look to parents to help them across species not just human, they expect to get their needs met, and if they don't they will either cry, or take them. Since most animals have a strong sense of protection over their offspring including humans, we cater to this. But on equal level 20 year old human vs another, selfishness prevails.
The pointing experiment shows that humans have trust, but chimps are skeptics, maybe that's why chimps don't develop religion and other bullshit, like political parties.
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why is the monkey always in a cage with glass shit AND HE BABIES in a colorfull room acompaned with heir moms, put he fucking baby is the cage along with he ape to make shi fair
I don't quite agree with the "unselfish cooperation" thing. It seems much more reasonable that every action we take is hard-wired to be either benefitial to ourselves (hence being selfish), or to the society. Being able to assess a decision as being beneficial to the group and consequently to you and/or your offspring in the long run would then just be something distinctly human because we have the mental capacity of reasoning that far into the future, with all its implications.
You could argure though that if we saw an old lady struggling to cross the street, anyone would come to her aid. There are some things we do that don't get us really anything except pride for what we have done.
I'm inclined to think that the fact that humans seem to assume that other humans are helpful as opposed to in competition is not so much genetic as it is cultural... after all, if a human child never witnessed the symbol of someone pointing, or experienced a person trying to help in such a way, wouldn't the human have the same reaction as the chimpanzee?
Why don't scientists teach chimps cooperation instead of teaching them to be selfish. when they do well, don't just award them the whole food, split it into two pieces eat one and give the other one to the chimp so he or she will learn how others are not different from him/her.
It's not about forcing our morals to chimpanzees.. lol. It's about understanding them, as they are! we BETTER not start preaching across the species barrier!! x]
part#3 the saying of 'an army marches on it's stomach' can definitely apply to human evolution, we had to learn how to store food for transport, we humans need to consume large amounts of food and even more if you want to be able to hunt or defend your self, plus over time and a bigger population food was worth it's weight in gold, everything we know we learned the hard way, you can't just eat anything that grows or runs from you, food preparation must be the missing link and not DNA mutation
part#2 our thumbs are strong, all our fingers contribute or if one is hurt make simple tasks impossible, there must have been a point in evolution when we had to start gathering food and transporting it, making food more easily digestible, the faster you can consume and digested it the better, plus embracing mutual cooperation of preparing food for others, example: it must have been the males who prepared a salad or beef jerky to satisfy a hungry female, in turn relying less on our jaw muscles
well... 'genetic mutation' sounds like some nerd crap to me avoiding the #1 rule of survival of the fittest, there had to be a reason as to why we did not need such strong jaw muscles, my theory is that our hands played a huge role in our every day life, since we became bipedal our hands became less for walking(yet still strong) and more for preparing food (feeding our little brothers for example), that must have been that missing link this video skipped, opposable thumbs held food, CONTINUED
One mutation? Evolution usually works with a series of small mutations guided by natural selection. It wouldn't make sense if a mutated homonoid were able to survive just with a weaker jaw but still with undeveloped brains. They wouldn't have enough skills and time to produce the tools necessary to make up for their weaker jaws.
@Hammersley1967 What the hell is a creationist like you doing on an evolutionist documentary channel!? Get a life! I don't think God put you on this planet to harass other monkeys.
PS: No matter how silly it sounds, it still makes more sense to me than a guy having sex with his two daughters since his wife turned into a pillar of salt with God apparently approving it.
I think the suggestion is that the mutation occurred at a point in time when strong jaw mussels were already not especially useful. And is that a serious problem? After all we can crack nuts with our jaw mussels even today (at least until we are old enough to reproduce) and strip meat from bones etc.
I'm wondering if perhaps it is not more puzzling that the other great apes have kept their strong jaw mussels (assuming these guys are correct).
Sure their are some things in the diets of some of the other great apes that might explain it, but I doubt that weaker jaws would have killed off Gorillas for example.
Maybe they have kept them mostly because of sex selection. I read somewhere that jaws are supposed to be important in display for chimps.
This video implies that we were like chimpanzees actively killing each other for dominance. It's more likely that we were already cooperating on a higher level than that at the time. Then the switch to scavenging meat, which requires less effort to eat, would make a smaller jaw muscle more practical than a larger one. From there, butchering tools become hunting tools & the rest is history. Just a personal theory.
3.00 not true humans cooperate but not without gain.You help someone because you know he will be in debt to you or if you know it will make people see you better.
Rarely does someone really do something that costs them .. out of the kindness of there hearths. But i understand some ppl are just sheep who think they have control.. well society is built on mindless sheep so its allright.
Next time they film humans dressed as ancient human ancestors I want to join in and scare everyone with my ugly deformed body. I want to run around naked with fake ape head and hair glued on. Sort of the "un-playboy shoot".
I know a lot of you will say that I'm seeing things that may not be really there but the whole part about the jawline being weaker...it kinda reminds me of this thing from the Bible. How the last will be first and all that. Then again, I'm not the kind of person who believes that science and religion are incompatiable so watching things like this is really exiciting to me. I seriously love this documentry and I think every Christian should watch it.
no i dont believe that it has to somthing to do with bigger brains or smarter whatever. i think its simply becuz we care , we help each other and we love thats it
@Eldeecue What's wrong with liberty? I'm guessing you like the idea of state owned everything? Or maybe if you disagree or dissent then the government can shut you up and put you down like a dog?
Tell me then...what exactly is there to stop these "legitmately successful" businesses from become just as oppressive, unjust, monopolizing, and exploitive as the spectre of Big Government?
See, at least democratically elected politicians are answerable to votes. The only obligation businesses have is to profit.
If you're going to regulate them...then you're not a Libertard---if you think they'll play fair when they're not obligated to do so...you're delusional. Which are you?
i think its bs people are naturally unselfish. very hard to have an accurate test as all these children are raised in loving modern environments. throw a few abused children in these tests they may think twice.
@Gubbinz Or a corporate head. Those selfish mother fuckers haul millions and billions dollars while billions of people have nothing. Rich people are like selfish quadrupedal apes.
It's not about working together or helping. To a chimp, a pointing finger means nothing. It is a language they do not understand. There is no such thing as a 'pointing finger' so there is no association. In another experiment. A dog can understand that a pointing finger leads to food when even a hand raised captive wolf does not.
Chimpanzees call out when they arrive at a food source with their group. Since other chimps in the group already know the food source, the calling is to tell other chimps not in the group about the food source. Isn't that a way of helping other chimps?
cut the jaw muscles of a baby chip off and feed it through a tube for its whole life. see if its brain will grow larger and if we can teach it more stuff.
I think the person pointing at the object should have looked like a chimp. Individuals of different species usually don't cooperate. I personnaly wouldn't trust at first an alien trying to help me. This experience is interesting but not completely conclusive.
A small jaw requires lower "energy resources" to develop and then maintain. This can be a selective advantage in an environment where the diet is such that a stronger jaw provides no beneficial advantage.
This is true, however, in an environment that would cause the evolution of such a strong jaw, wouldnt it make sense that that would be the most beneficial jaw type? An advantage that would only be overtaken by a larger brain, which would only occur in later generation "small jaws"
@rotateman One possibility is that the gene had pleiotropic effects. In other words, a single genetic change had multiple effects on the individual that had it. Alternatively, it could have been associated with another mutation that had a higher advantage.
Another possibility is that there was no significant (dis)advantage at that time, and smaller jaws just spread through the population via genetic drift (random differences in survival/fecundity) , and only later became advantageous
@djarm67 Such as when we start cooking our food, making it easier to chew and digest. I believe it's been all but proven - signs of fire use are found at the same time period that our ancestors' brain cases practically explode in size and at the same time our jaws shrink.
I think it's safe to say that in the environment we're considering, a weak jaw would be disadvantaged in comparison to strong one. Especially if the primate with the weak jaw was the same intelligence as the one with the strong jaw.
Probably there was no sudden single carrier of that genetic change. But change of food sources over a long time could lead to degeneration of the jaw.
There is as well a theory that walking on two feet enabled our ancestors to carry food. Male apes who carried more food to their women were now more often chosen for sex than dominant males with big teeth.
However, if avoiding conflict with other great apes, why would the "small jaw- upright walking" apes not survive?
@rotateman remember mutation doesnt happen jus once in a while. chances are in every birth. apart from that, cooperation and sharing all adds advantages to our ancestors which shape our genetic makeup.
@rotateman The "first carrier"? Are you seriously asking this? A successful genetic mutation does not happen on a single individual. It happens on a large scale to a group. And a strong jaw is not needed when you have tools to soften foods. And we were pretty successful with it so it actually payed off. Evolution is about budget costs and investments (or something like that lol)
@TRYCLOPS1 To expand a bit: The "first carrier" ideally exhibits a better chance of surviving, thus a better chance of mating, which in turn is supposed to flood the gene pool, causing the population to exhibit the mutation. The "first carrier" exhibits natural selection, and the process of filling the gene pool with that carriers mutation is evolution.
(part 2)...that same feel good feeling from helping another. If so, this simply shows that Great Apes' comprehension of compasion or emotional reward may differ slightly from our own. They're still remarkably similar to humans though in so many ways. In some ways they're superior, in others we are, but overall it seems like a wash. Neither is more or less important or even better than the other.
I don't think feeling good about helping people makes it a bad thing. It may be a purely arbitrary instinct but it's what got us to this point. It's why we are the top of the food chain.
Also, how else could we do good things? All of our actions are influenced by emotion, we won't do something without some gain, in this case it is a good feeling.
Think about the feeling of belonging and love it's the same way, an evolutionary trait developed to further our species.
Well, that's pretty much what I just said. If you're simply showing agreement to my comment, I apologize if I sound condescending. I certainly never stated nor implied that feeling good about helping someone was a bad thing. I suppose you were just stating that of your own accord. But, yes, I think you're right.
The cooperation test is intresting, however, the scientists tend to show that one thing that sets Humans Apart from Great Apes is that Humans will cooperate for no personal gain. I would argue that Humans still have a personal gain even though it may not seem so on the surface. The gain that humans receive for apparent acts of kindness is the emotional reward. The warm feeling one gets from doing something to help another is still a gain nonetheless. Great apes may lack the ability to experience
It's also the reason you can't play a good practical trick on a chimp - they would not assume you were helping them if you directed them to go through a door that had a bucket of water wedged above it, so they wouldn't go through the door!
It seems to me that what they're saying is that other apes will never evolve into an animal of human intelligence, because they don't have the genetic mutation that will allow their sculls to expand to accommodate a larger brain. That mutation was a fluke. What are the odds of it happening again in another species of great ape?
We really don't know. A bigger brain is one way to be more intelligent, a more complex brain another. A chimp, or a dolphin if that matters, might develop a mutation or mutations that might increase the complexity of the its brain like never before and increase its intelligence dramatically without any increase in size. Did you know a raven is almost as intelligent as a chimp despite having a way smaller, but more complex, brain.
You are most certainly correct. Size of the brain is relative to the size of the animal. The big the animal the more muscles and bodily systems that require parts of the brain to control them.
So yes the complexity is what sets us apart, but size allows that complexity to arise.
humans learn to co-operate from the moment they are born. You can't just test a chimp a few times and expect to get the same effect. They have to be born in the same circumstance having a parent who can communicate to them teaching them to co-operate.
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Doesn't this jaw theory disprove the general concept of evolution? I think it brings mutation into the equation.
yasirjam1 5 days ago
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yasirjam1 5 days ago
It's the Christian extremists who give so many thumbs down to the evolution videos. They've been attacking and killing anyone who disagreed with them ever since Christianity become the religion of the Roman Empire.
And yet, they're so wrong. The idea of hell came from a garbage dump near Jerusalem. It was smelly, so they burned the garbage, along with the bodies of executed criminals. Flames, bodies, that's where the idea of hell came from. It's in The History of the Devil, The History Channel.
AppleSouffle 3 weeks ago 2
this is bollucks
blazikenflashfire 1 month ago
I wouldn't say a weak jaw muscle was the product of mutation. Mutations very rarely spread to an entier population since its only prominent in the individual and its direct offsprings. If fire was mastered by the homo erectus then their food would be easier to chew making a strong jaw redundant. How ever, to create fire you need to be pretty smart which means the brain must already have began to grow before the jaws got weaker. Intelligence is better than chewing power, so it selected for.
peronkop 2 months ago
Saying humans co-operate without self centered gain is also foolish, because....would you ever work at your job if you didn't get any money for it?
The video before this showed a chimp that "quit his job" after he found out he wasn't going to get any reward by helping out that other asshole ape get the food.
ariesmajor 2 months ago 2
2:56 is absolutely false. Humans are just as selfish, the only times we're not selfish is when its not life threatening or we have a ridiculous amount of excess. Kids look to parents to help them across species not just human, they expect to get their needs met, and if they don't they will either cry, or take them. Since most animals have a strong sense of protection over their offspring including humans, we cater to this. But on equal level 20 year old human vs another, selfishness prevails.
ariesmajor 2 months ago
The pointing experiment shows that humans have trust, but chimps are skeptics, maybe that's why chimps don't develop religion and other bullshit, like political parties.
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PlateMailArmored 5 months ago
139 christian extremists watched this
q41n 5 months ago 18
@q41n hahahahaha true
dondinero09 1 month ago
@q41n i'm a catholic, and I believe in science:D you too, i guess:P
dafronasmia 1 week ago
Wow 138 dislikes? WTF is wrong with some people?!!!
TRYCLOPS1 5 months ago 13
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ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
@TRYCLOPS1 Christian's
dondinero09 1 month ago
why is the monkey always in a cage with glass shit AND HE BABIES in a colorfull room acompaned with heir moms, put he fucking baby is the cage along with he ape to make shi fair
shoeib123 6 months ago
I don't quite agree with the "unselfish cooperation" thing. It seems much more reasonable that every action we take is hard-wired to be either benefitial to ourselves (hence being selfish), or to the society. Being able to assess a decision as being beneficial to the group and consequently to you and/or your offspring in the long run would then just be something distinctly human because we have the mental capacity of reasoning that far into the future, with all its implications.
Diemedes 7 months ago
@Diemedes
You could argure though that if we saw an old lady struggling to cross the street, anyone would come to her aid. There are some things we do that don't get us really anything except pride for what we have done.
SimplyDustinHoffman 5 months ago
smaller jaw because we cook our food
alstan25 7 months ago
Great thanks for uploading this enlightenment!
adatse51849 8 months ago
I'm inclined to think that the fact that humans seem to assume that other humans are helpful as opposed to in competition is not so much genetic as it is cultural... after all, if a human child never witnessed the symbol of someone pointing, or experienced a person trying to help in such a way, wouldn't the human have the same reaction as the chimpanzee?
KristalKleer 9 months ago
I wonder what connections can be made between ape's cooperative behavior and humans with mild forms of autism? Like Apersger's.
madmodder 10 months ago
I can just imagine those H. erectus girls tittering among themselves..." Oh! Those weak-jawed boys are SO cute! And clever, too!"
GetMeThere1 11 months ago 3
@GetMeThere1 lol! xD
HeyPeni 10 months ago
@GetMeThere1 hahah good one!
DiNozzo431 9 months ago
Hrm, maybe there is a personal gain, just a more social/sophisticated one
InfindecimalSlice 1 year ago
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Black people are apes....
johnchannetshow 1 year ago
Why don't scientists teach chimps cooperation instead of teaching them to be selfish. when they do well, don't just award them the whole food, split it into two pieces eat one and give the other one to the chimp so he or she will learn how others are not different from him/her.
MostCommonName1 1 year ago
@MostCommonName1
It's not about forcing our morals to chimpanzees.. lol. It's about understanding them, as they are! we BETTER not start preaching across the species barrier!! x]
SubtleChaotic 9 months ago
Why should the chimp trust that the first researcher is pointing to the 'good' cup? There must be some sort of connection built first.
badboyfrvr 1 year ago
part#3 the saying of 'an army marches on it's stomach' can definitely apply to human evolution, we had to learn how to store food for transport, we humans need to consume large amounts of food and even more if you want to be able to hunt or defend your self, plus over time and a bigger population food was worth it's weight in gold, everything we know we learned the hard way, you can't just eat anything that grows or runs from you, food preparation must be the missing link and not DNA mutation
marktsheppard 1 year ago
part#2 our thumbs are strong, all our fingers contribute or if one is hurt make simple tasks impossible, there must have been a point in evolution when we had to start gathering food and transporting it, making food more easily digestible, the faster you can consume and digested it the better, plus embracing mutual cooperation of preparing food for others, example: it must have been the males who prepared a salad or beef jerky to satisfy a hungry female, in turn relying less on our jaw muscles
marktsheppard 1 year ago
well... 'genetic mutation' sounds like some nerd crap to me avoiding the #1 rule of survival of the fittest, there had to be a reason as to why we did not need such strong jaw muscles, my theory is that our hands played a huge role in our every day life, since we became bipedal our hands became less for walking(yet still strong) and more for preparing food (feeding our little brothers for example), that must have been that missing link this video skipped, opposable thumbs held food, CONTINUED
marktsheppard 1 year ago
8:16 looks like an aboriginal. lol
farshad94abedi 1 year ago
@Proximityfuse74 Especially apes like you scare agnostics like me.
kdc43 1 year ago
I'm not buying this mutation crap. Sceptical minds must reject this as irrational wishfull 'thinking'.
kdc43 1 year ago
One mutation? Evolution usually works with a series of small mutations guided by natural selection. It wouldn't make sense if a mutated homonoid were able to survive just with a weaker jaw but still with undeveloped brains. They wouldn't have enough skills and time to produce the tools necessary to make up for their weaker jaws.
Pssybart 1 year ago
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@Pssybart
You think that we are monkeys...
Pfffft!
As if we go "ooga booga!!! ooga boooga!!!"
THAT'S SILLY!!!
Hammersley1967 1 year ago
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@Hammersley1967 What the hell is a creationist like you doing on an evolutionist documentary channel!? Get a life! I don't think God put you on this planet to harass other monkeys.
PS: No matter how silly it sounds, it still makes more sense to me than a guy having sex with his two daughters since his wife turned into a pillar of salt with God apparently approving it.
Pssybart 1 year ago
@Pssybart
Someone spammed you but it wasn't me...
Now you're saying that I'm a monkey!!!
I don't go "OOGA BOOOGA" !!!
That's SILLY!!!
Pffffft!
Hammersley1967 1 year ago
Hmmmmmmm.
I think the suggestion is that the mutation occurred at a point in time when strong jaw mussels were already not especially useful. And is that a serious problem? After all we can crack nuts with our jaw mussels even today (at least until we are old enough to reproduce) and strip meat from bones etc.
I'm wondering if perhaps it is not more puzzling that the other great apes have kept their strong jaw mussels (assuming these guys are correct).
cont...
kandtell 1 year ago
Sure their are some things in the diets of some of the other great apes that might explain it, but I doubt that weaker jaws would have killed off Gorillas for example.
Maybe they have kept them mostly because of sex selection. I read somewhere that jaws are supposed to be important in display for chimps.
kandtell 1 year ago
7:02 homo erectus? i thnik it was homo habilis????
liljames2k 1 year ago
This video implies that we were like chimpanzees actively killing each other for dominance. It's more likely that we were already cooperating on a higher level than that at the time. Then the switch to scavenging meat, which requires less effort to eat, would make a smaller jaw muscle more practical than a larger one. From there, butchering tools become hunting tools & the rest is history. Just a personal theory.
KenMacMillan 1 year ago
this show tends to drag on a bit, shave about 30 mins off it and it would be perfect!
alexhamster1134 1 year ago
3.00 not true humans cooperate but not without gain.You help someone because you know he will be in debt to you or if you know it will make people see you better.
Rarely does someone really do something that costs them .. out of the kindness of there hearths. But i understand some ppl are just sheep who think they have control.. well society is built on mindless sheep so its allright.
Akirilus 1 year ago
Next time they film humans dressed as ancient human ancestors I want to join in and scare everyone with my ugly deformed body. I want to run around naked with fake ape head and hair glued on. Sort of the "un-playboy shoot".
2degucitas 1 year ago
gnetic mutation, Annunaki genetic experiment that created homo sapiens sapiens
karioka2 1 year ago
I know a lot of you will say that I'm seeing things that may not be really there but the whole part about the jawline being weaker...it kinda reminds me of this thing from the Bible. How the last will be first and all that. Then again, I'm not the kind of person who believes that science and religion are incompatiable so watching things like this is really exiciting to me. I seriously love this documentry and I think every Christian should watch it.
miriahofthewind 1 year ago
no i dont believe that it has to somthing to do with bigger brains or smarter whatever. i think its simply becuz we care , we help each other and we love thats it
mr3ggroll 1 year ago
Yay!!! Brain over brawn!
mewboy23799 1 year ago
I think this "cooperation without gain" is more like the golden rule
If I am nice to my kind they will help me when I need them
Which would play nicely together with the human capability to see the "bigger picture" which other primates don't have
RazielKain 1 year ago
It must be noted that chimps don't have the point in their list of known gestures.
trinagranger 1 year ago
Not all humans cooperate selflessly. Many of them only do things if it will benefit themselves. This is really one sided.
Cstrife234 1 year ago
@Cstrife234
True, but Libertarians and Objectivists are subhuman throwbacks, really : )
They'll be bred out eventually.
Eldeecue 1 year ago
@Eldeecue What's wrong with liberty? I'm guessing you like the idea of state owned everything? Or maybe if you disagree or dissent then the government can shut you up and put you down like a dog?
Cstrife234 1 year ago
@Cstrife234
Tell me then...what exactly is there to stop these "legitmately successful" businesses from become just as oppressive, unjust, monopolizing, and exploitive as the spectre of Big Government?
See, at least democratically elected politicians are answerable to votes. The only obligation businesses have is to profit.
If you're going to regulate them...then you're not a Libertard---if you think they'll play fair when they're not obligated to do so...you're delusional. Which are you?
Eldeecue 1 year ago
Great documantary
Amasing how elegant it flows
sokolel 1 year ago
hello maybe pointing with a finger is something cultural and maybe they have another sign to tell "hey this is the right one".
IgnisCaelis 1 year ago
Looks like Worff.
Gonnakillyou 1 year ago
i think its bs people are naturally unselfish. very hard to have an accurate test as all these children are raised in loving modern environments. throw a few abused children in these tests they may think twice.
Gubbinz 1 year ago
@Gubbinz Or a corporate head. Those selfish mother fuckers haul millions and billions dollars while billions of people have nothing. Rich people are like selfish quadrupedal apes.
silverbackman 1 year ago
those christian who say that they got the moral from the bible because god will award them when they die those people are liike chimps lol
Atheist603 1 year ago
@Atheist603
Very. It is a childish moral system; reward and punishment.
Kargoneth 1 year ago
It's not about working together or helping. To a chimp, a pointing finger means nothing. It is a language they do not understand. There is no such thing as a 'pointing finger' so there is no association. In another experiment. A dog can understand that a pointing finger leads to food when even a hand raised captive wolf does not.
MsEmberScorpio 1 year ago
@MsEmberScorpio ....because we bred dogs to unselfishly co-operate with us perhaps?
pddeeps 1 year ago
Chimpanzees call out when they arrive at a food source with their group. Since other chimps in the group already know the food source, the calling is to tell other chimps not in the group about the food source. Isn't that a way of helping other chimps?
ninaychen 1 year ago
cut the jaw muscles of a baby chip off and feed it through a tube for its whole life. see if its brain will grow larger and if we can teach it more stuff.
Holcomb227 1 year ago
creationist vote bot ftw!!111
aeroshock1 1 year ago
thank you for uploading! they should show this in my bible class :)
Gvanillavodka 2 years ago 3
Which country still has bible class?
kalvhult 2 years ago 2
Said it before, I'll say it again. I'm so glad we didn't evolve to have monkey butt!
O2BSoLucky 2 years ago 58
but then you'd have a big soft butt to sit on! ;)
laurenheatonanderson 1 year ago
@O2BSoLucky yeah... but I miss my tail lol
h4tchetman 1 year ago
@O2BSoLucky I am shore that if we did we probably would have liked it so.
bogdanbosss 5 months ago
I think the person pointing at the object should have looked like a chimp. Individuals of different species usually don't cooperate. I personnaly wouldn't trust at first an alien trying to help me. This experience is interesting but not completely conclusive.
wollin20 2 years ago 3
hehe, love that one.... "if you know you're going to lose a jaw to jaw combat - avoid it"
my answer was different, before he said to avoid it.... beat them with a stick!
Sutskoen 2 years ago
One argument with this video.
How did the first carrier of the 'small jaw" genetic mutation survive?
He would have the same brain size as a strong jawed cousin, but a much weaker jaw, an obvious disadvantage.
rotateman 2 years ago 2
A small jaw requires lower "energy resources" to develop and then maintain. This can be a selective advantage in an environment where the diet is such that a stronger jaw provides no beneficial advantage.
djarm67 2 years ago 19
@djarm67
This is true, however, in an environment that would cause the evolution of such a strong jaw, wouldnt it make sense that that would be the most beneficial jaw type? An advantage that would only be overtaken by a larger brain, which would only occur in later generation "small jaws"
rotateman 2 years ago
Environments change and novel ecological niches can then be exploited.
djarm67 2 years ago 17
@djarm67 What about tools as a replacement for a better jaw? More tool use, more meat, more brain developpement... better tools.
sqccccccccc 1 year ago
@rotateman One possibility is that the gene had pleiotropic effects. In other words, a single genetic change had multiple effects on the individual that had it. Alternatively, it could have been associated with another mutation that had a higher advantage.
Another possibility is that there was no significant (dis)advantage at that time, and smaller jaws just spread through the population via genetic drift (random differences in survival/fecundity) , and only later became advantageous
PBDPBD 1 year ago
@djarm67
Smaller jaw muscle fibres would also allow for a wider range of language. Smaller fibres = more precise movement.s
GooseGooseProduction 1 year ago
@djarm67 Such as when we start cooking our food, making it easier to chew and digest. I believe it's been all but proven - signs of fire use are found at the same time period that our ancestors' brain cases practically explode in size and at the same time our jaws shrink.
StreetSamuraiXII 1 year ago
"an obvious disadvantage"
if you want to declare something an advantage or disadvantage, you have to consider the enviroment that it is supposedly a pro or con in.
Sutskoen 2 years ago
@Sutskoen
I think it's safe to say that in the environment we're considering, a weak jaw would be disadvantaged in comparison to strong one. Especially if the primate with the weak jaw was the same intelligence as the one with the strong jaw.
rotateman 2 years ago
Probably there was no sudden single carrier of that genetic change. But change of food sources over a long time could lead to degeneration of the jaw.
There is as well a theory that walking on two feet enabled our ancestors to carry food. Male apes who carried more food to their women were now more often chosen for sex than dominant males with big teeth.
However, if avoiding conflict with other great apes, why would the "small jaw- upright walking" apes not survive?
HomoGnosticus 2 years ago
@rotateman thats not how evolution occurs
0100110101001011 1 year ago
@rotateman
"How did the first carrier of the small jaw genetic mutation survive?"
He took small bites? It's obvious he survived, since we're here now.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
@rotateman remember mutation doesnt happen jus once in a while. chances are in every birth. apart from that, cooperation and sharing all adds advantages to our ancestors which shape our genetic makeup.
adatse51849 8 months ago
@rotateman The "first carrier"? Are you seriously asking this? A successful genetic mutation does not happen on a single individual. It happens on a large scale to a group. And a strong jaw is not needed when you have tools to soften foods. And we were pretty successful with it so it actually payed off. Evolution is about budget costs and investments (or something like that lol)
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@TRYCLOPS1 To expand a bit: The "first carrier" ideally exhibits a better chance of surviving, thus a better chance of mating, which in turn is supposed to flood the gene pool, causing the population to exhibit the mutation. The "first carrier" exhibits natural selection, and the process of filling the gene pool with that carriers mutation is evolution.
CactrotRapido 4 months ago
(part 2)...that same feel good feeling from helping another. If so, this simply shows that Great Apes' comprehension of compasion or emotional reward may differ slightly from our own. They're still remarkably similar to humans though in so many ways. In some ways they're superior, in others we are, but overall it seems like a wash. Neither is more or less important or even better than the other.
griffynelvyncraft 2 years ago
@griffynelvyncraft
I don't think feeling good about helping people makes it a bad thing. It may be a purely arbitrary instinct but it's what got us to this point. It's why we are the top of the food chain.
Also, how else could we do good things? All of our actions are influenced by emotion, we won't do something without some gain, in this case it is a good feeling.
Think about the feeling of belonging and love it's the same way, an evolutionary trait developed to further our species.
salbrismind 2 years ago
@salbrismind.
Well, that's pretty much what I just said. If you're simply showing agreement to my comment, I apologize if I sound condescending. I certainly never stated nor implied that feeling good about helping someone was a bad thing. I suppose you were just stating that of your own accord. But, yes, I think you're right.
griffynelvyncraft 2 years ago
@griffynelvyncraft
Ah, sorry. I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say and the way you were saying it.
salbrismind 2 years ago
Not a problem. Totally understandable.
griffynelvyncraft 2 years ago
The cooperation test is intresting, however, the scientists tend to show that one thing that sets Humans Apart from Great Apes is that Humans will cooperate for no personal gain. I would argue that Humans still have a personal gain even though it may not seem so on the surface. The gain that humans receive for apparent acts of kindness is the emotional reward. The warm feeling one gets from doing something to help another is still a gain nonetheless. Great apes may lack the ability to experience
griffynelvyncraft 2 years ago
The Mutant gene was from genetic manipulation by the Annunaki 20,000 years ago. ;D
highintel 2 years ago
If they keep tenderizing their food their muscles will weaken and Atrophy thus allowing their brains to grow..
highintel 2 years ago
Gee and the Church teaches we are born sinners..hmmm...
I smell Psychological suppression....
highintel 2 years ago
It's also the reason you can't play a good practical trick on a chimp - they would not assume you were helping them if you directed them to go through a door that had a bucket of water wedged above it, so they wouldn't go through the door!
catherinespark 2 years ago
It seems to me that what they're saying is that other apes will never evolve into an animal of human intelligence, because they don't have the genetic mutation that will allow their sculls to expand to accommodate a larger brain. That mutation was a fluke. What are the odds of it happening again in another species of great ape?
DancingHorses26 2 years ago 2
We really don't know. A bigger brain is one way to be more intelligent, a more complex brain another. A chimp, or a dolphin if that matters, might develop a mutation or mutations that might increase the complexity of the its brain like never before and increase its intelligence dramatically without any increase in size. Did you know a raven is almost as intelligent as a chimp despite having a way smaller, but more complex, brain.
TemplarX2 2 years ago
@TemplarX2
You are most certainly correct. Size of the brain is relative to the size of the animal. The big the animal the more muscles and bodily systems that require parts of the brain to control them.
So yes the complexity is what sets us apart, but size allows that complexity to arise.
salbrismind 2 years ago
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ReligiousFiction 2 years ago
humans learn to co-operate from the moment they are born. You can't just test a chimp a few times and expect to get the same effect. They have to be born in the same circumstance having a parent who can communicate to them teaching them to co-operate.
tyniehawk 3 years ago 2
The barrier that devides humans and apes is thus.
Time!
draculapw 2 years ago
So it takes one mutation, and then allow that mutation to dominate those without that mutation. Makes sense.
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Bigger picture Darwinism, LOL. Reply to me if you know what movie that comes from.
Inqoinf 3 years ago