If our sins are forgiven, why must we give an account to God on the last day for how we lived?

[eambrausa]

so according to Piper, a man who is a professed Christian, commits adultery, murderer, is a liar, fornicator, thief etc....will only lose rewards? BUT the bible say those will not enter Gods Kingdom, it was written to Christians!

If futures sin are already forgiven why Jesus says that if we don't forgive people who sin against us (now and in the future...) then God will not forgive us?

Forgiveness is conditional to repentance and forgiving others, is a daily thing.

[NEELAELISABET]

The Blood of Christ does not cover our sins. The Blood of Christ washes away the sin.it takes away the sin completely.

[BritneyAddicted4EVA]

The only thing that's still unknown to me is degrees of rewards. I've watched a sermon yesterday called "Word of Promise, Spirit of God, Hope of Man" in which Pastor Piper says that in the eternity we will be more and more enjoying God and that our joy will never stop increasing. If that's true I don't see how do we have degrees of rewards. What is a town compared to joy in the Lord?

[Barerra1]

If Jesus died for our sins then surley we dont have to answer for anything because he died for our sins, even hitler was a christian so he wont be punished for killing 6 million because jesus died for his sins.

[shakinwakin35]

@Barerra1 It's much more than just calling oneself "Christian" that grants one salvation. Its about relationship with Christ.

All who call on the name of the Lord and believe the Father has raised Him from the dead will be saved. There's an implied relational aspect to calling on the name of the Lord. It involves calling for Christ to be Lord of one's life, not just friend or teacher or boss. Christ must be Lord in entirety. outward evidence points to Christ NOT being Hitler's Lord (Matt 7: 16)

[jazzieg2009]

Why do ppl not get this or think this is confusing...He's right..and this vid makes perfect sense

[MGCAUSTIN]

This is confusing? Why does God need "evidence" of his own deeds?

[setapartfortheLord]

@vdvsoldat, The gospel says all sins committed by those in Christ were put on Christ when he died. So if someone did 1000 sins and 1 good deed it doesn't matter if the good deeds don't outweigh the bad ones. (But that wouldn't happen because those genuinely in Christ, their faith produces good works ) The bible says a persons faith is proven by their good works. So believers have a responsibility to represent Jesus in the way He would. With goodness and love.

[vicachcoup]

This video proves that when you try to cover a lie,

you sound completely confusing and unconvincing.

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Jesus said none of these things folks - Paul did.

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Wake up , read the bible with your own mind and think again. Don't let priests tell you how to think and interepret stuff.

[MxMagpie]

@vicachcoup YEAH! Sorry, best comment on here, just had to say that I'm wholeheartedly with you there.

There's too much Paul and not enough Jesus in reformed theology.

Yes there is an accounting, but for anyone covered by Christ, that is exactly what we are, covered, washed clean! And that is what will be seen at judgement.

God loves us for who we are, not as we should be, because we will never be as we should be.

[shakinwakin35]

@vicachcoup @MnMagpie I agree with yall in so far as that we should test everything (1 thes 5: 21) so we should NOT all just tag along with what Piper says without testing it by the Word. That being said, it SEEMED to me that much of this was said in speculation based upon other teachings in scriptures (rewards in heaven, justification/imputed righteousness, giving an account, etc.)

Where I think we all need to be careful is when suggesting that God didnt divinely inspire Paul's writing in NT.

[vicachcoup]

@shakinwakin35

'''Where I think we all need to be careful is when suggesting that God didnt divinely inspire Paul's writing in NT. '''

I think we need to be double careful to think that God did inspire Paul.

Paul was anti-Christ when he was alive - are we to believe that it is not inconceivable he remained so after?

What better way to destroy the teachings of Jesus than to come along with something else you claim authority for.

Did Jesus sanction the changes Paul brought???

[shakinwakin35]

@vicachcoup @MnMagpie If we consider the Bible to be the Word of God, we must consider it in full, rather than in part. 1 tim talks of ALL scripture being God breathed and useful. John warned of removing or adding from Scripture. therefore, it is all important. But it would be an unfortunate mistake to think that some scripture should be heeded while other sections not. Im not sure if thats what you're saying, but thats what i was hearing =/ . If Jesus is trustworthy, then so is Jesus THRU Paul

[vicachcoup]

@shakinwakin35

'1 tim talks of ALL scripture being God breathed and useful. John warned of removing or adding from Scripture. therefore, it is all important'

OK so the bible is correct bcause something in the Bible says it is - a bit of a circular argument.

So that is proof? And we can ignore common sense?

You only have to look at the completely different accounts of the events at the tomb to see the Bible is incorect. Why did no one else mentio the dead rising etc etc

[ryheck82]

See Matthew 20:1-16 (15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’)

[atheistram]

Pure speculation... nothing more. :P

[ernestas111]

heh I hope to get a modest and cousy house somewhere around the city of heaven ;)

[TheAceofhearts93]

Its not a works salvation, but a salvation that works

[alhyper]

Lol, that is so true!(: Our sins are forgiven by Jesus Christ when we ask for His forgiveness! He died for mankind so that we may have life in Him, if we believe and put faith in God and we must show faith by being fruitful for His purpose!

[ThePhnxman1]

The "born again" experience is good, for it is a sign of repentance. However, there is an "entering into the kingdom of God" by being "born of the water and of the Spirit...".

Forgiveness was at the cross, when Jesus asked the Father to forgive us. But remission of sins is in the waters of baptism, calling on the NAME of the Lord Jesus, and we are PROMISED "the gift of the Holy Spirit".

[BritneyAddicted4EVA]

I hope my grades are going to be acceptable. :>

I know they're not (not right now) but I'm not in hell yet so I am still allowed in trusting Jesus to cover my sins. :)

[1122stardust]

Why not make a human completely perfect in this life? Wouldnt making perfect examples convince unbelievers to convert? Why 2 sides? Why would god who hates sin allow us to continue showing those fruits of evil also? Wouldn't the judge say, "wait he has just as many evil fruits. This is a stale mate"? Case dismissed. But he excepted jesus they say. But he also continued to except the devil. Half and half. Sorry people it doesnt jive.

[quadcannon95]

I absolutely adore this man's humility.

[LifesSmile]

Lol a lil georgia village xD. I hope we can visit other cities? :D

[wagmaster5000]

@acesfull99 You can use an analogy to prove just about anything in the Bible. Don't get me wrong, I love the Bible, but I hate when people make their own personal interpretations like he does in this video.

[RobertAdams68]

You can't offend grace! It is impossible!  As soon as offence is taken, grace has departed. If grace remains, then no offence is taken.

To say that God's grace can be offended is to call it no grace at all!

[wagmaster5000]

I love the way this dude takes one verse from the Bible and starts to make his own stories about filing cabinets and rewards and other crap. Stick to the Bible.

[chrissiemoda]

i've never hurd that the rewards in heaven that are spoken about in the bible are being rulers over cities. this is so interesting. where in the bible does it talk about that?

[MrCharrrles]

@chrissiemoda I think that might be to do with the fact that we as Christians will come back with Jesus to earth after the rapture and when Jesus rules over the earth, we rule under Him or something like that.

[LoneWolf526]

@mexman48: Are natural being is to sin. We know this because of the fall of Adam and Eve, they sinned so now we inherit that. Thats a problem, because God can't stand sin, so Jesus came and died for us so that we maybe forgiven of that sin so we may enter the kingdom of Heaven. We all know this, so what your saying is that if we live for Christ then we shouldn't sin again. That would mean the road that Jesus walked was easy, which would mean we'd have it easy right? WRONG! Jesus told us we'd be

[crystalcorp]

Matthew 7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: I go to prepare a place for you.

[whiteclaudia9]

I'm pretty sure Piper's gonna rule a metropolis. I, on the other hand, will be blessed if I get to rule over plot of grass. lol.

[mexman48]

I should´ve written below: all my sins, present, past and future will be forgiven. Sorry for the mistake.

[mexman48]

What an idiot. He says: if I put my faith in christ all my sins, present, past and future. Stupid, idiot if you REALLY put your faith in christ there is no reason for you to sin anymore. In other words you won´t want to sin anymore. Soft-spoken, yet so stupid.

[Jerseygirl8999]

@mexman48 (Your saying you don't sin after being saved? & your now perfect like Christ is perfect, so if you don't sin that means your no longer a sinner & if your no longer a sinner that means you no longer need a savior because you can save yourself & if you can save yourself that means you don't need Christ! NOT WANTING TO SIN is not the same as NOT SINNING you either go 100% or not at all) Your self-righteousness is showing you might want to cover it up with humility humbleness & REALITY.

[samtorrance5590]

@mexman48 Matthew 5v22: "Whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire."

[prairiemark]

@mexman48  He is far from stupid.

[drumrnva]

This business of "varying rewards" and "having cities to rule over" is such an Iron Age version of heaven, and it seems so transparent to me.

[T2Todd2]

according to the works which we have done in HIS name and the unrighteous will be judged and receive their rewards according to the works that is done in the name of satan. Some righteous will receive greater rewards than others because they had much works in HIS name and some unrighteous greater rewards (levels of damnation) for their works in satan's name. However I'm not saying that works will get us into heaven, only YAHUSHUA but we'll be rewarded for our works.

[T2Todd2]

Well I believe that those who are covered by the blood of YAHUSHUA (JESUS), repented and produce the fruits of their salvation will be judged as righteous people. Those who aren't covered, not repented and produce the fruits of their damnation will be judged as unrighteous people. Well what is God judging then? Well HE has rewards for the work that we have done. The righteous will be judged and receive their rewards (cont).

[Slashtap3]

Lol Johnny boy, you're getting a whole continent.

[tempemonkey2323]

I have a question..... Do you have to be drunk to believe in the crazy stories that Xians tell you.... Seriously, you guys sound like a bunch of nut jobs!!!

[tony9L9L]

@tempemonkey2323 No you don't have to be drunk to believe. You just need to be a medieval self hypnotising cave man and ignore common sense and science. A healthy fear of death would also be an advantage.

[rredhawk]

I don't know why so many Christians seem to dread this passage. I actually look FORWARD to "giving an account" for my life because I know this event will focus not on my condemnation but Christ's glorification for all that He has delivered me from.

For those who are pastors, leaders, etc.; the event will be even more glorious--seeing how much more Christ has done in light of their greater sins and opportunities to sin as a result of their having been in spiritual authority.

[vdvsoldat]

It's like this. If the nice little lady Mother Teresa, with all the millions that she loved, and fed and cared for....................IF she was BORN AGAIN, then all those deeds fall under rightious deeds VIA Christ's Blood.

If she did those deeds to EARN her way to Heaven, she will end up in Hell.

A million good deeds are nothing compared to the blood of Christ.

One single good deed done by a born again believer means everything to God.

[UnrealHelix]

@vdvsoldat Awesome explanation man

[OpethNation]

@vdvsoldat Wow, excellent example of amoral Christian beliefs.

[zoltron30]

@vdvsoldat

thats interesting. what do you think about jimmy swaggart? he has won scores of people to christ yet people are still condeming him about his sin. the bible mentions that winning a soul to christ shall cover a multitude of sins...

[atheistram]

@vdvsoldat You kidding me?? Mother Theresa did not care for her orphans. The orphanages she set up were dens of filth and disease.

[atheistram]

@vdvsoldat In addition, what if that believer did 1000 evil deeds and one good deed. Does the good deed outweigh all the evil deeds??

[1Atomtan]

@vdvsoldat According to John Piper. If she was not part of the elect....it doesn't matter how many good deeds she did or didn't do...she is burning in eternal agony and glorifying God by doing so. 

[WILDLEGHORN]

@vdvsoldat I understood some of what you said..not entirely & I think your point was an interesting one

So, would you mind to elaborate on that plz ??

[FriendsCallMeLou]

you sound like mr rogers

[FriendsCallMeLou]

I don't know

[lucasdasilvamaria]

VARIETY OF REWARDS is very helpfull to answer A LOT of doubts.

[jrloiselle]

If a person knows Jesus Christ, who is love, the fruits of their life is evidence of that faith.  How is that stupid? That is real.

[tempemonkey2323]

@jrloiselle Belief in Jesus is neither necessary nor sufficient for a good life. I know lots who believe and have a shitty life (Job is one small example, are you saying half of Africa and Eastern Europe are fake Christians?). And I know a lot who don't believe (me) and live a good life.

This shows that the fruits of your life is only evidence for the socio/economic conditions you live under.

Give it up, there is no evidence for your medieval, hate mongering, war mongering, ignorant religion.

[dancinmama1986]

@tempemonkey2323 Is the goal of believing having a good life? Is having a good life proof that salvation is irrelevant?

[dominicano0226]

@tempemonkey2323 That's ironic because the one thing that this guy ^ (John Piper) emphasizes on is God-centered joy. And we as Christians can rejoice in any circumstance regardless of our socio/economic conditions or any other condition because our joy is found in our salvation and knowing God and both of those things remain eternal in spite of our circumstances. Job is an awesome example for God centered joy and in fact Piper has used him often as an example for believers.

[tempemonkey2323]

@dominicano0226 How is this for god centered Joy... You are a sinner, worthless and there is nothing you can do on your own to make yourself good, you freely choose to be a bad person every waking day, and will burn in hell unless you believe in me........ Or how about this, your son is gay so you must outcast them from your house and he too will burn in hell...

But I know where the joy comes from.... You have been chosen by god, how special and infallible the ideas you get from him....

[dominicano0226]

@tempemonkey2323 Because since you are a sinner and incapable of freeing yourself from the bondage of your sin, God must free you. And God has saved you. And God will preserve and maintain your salvation. And your job is to enjoy God and to live for his glory. It is ALL God-centered from beginning to end. When I think of my own depravity, it magnifies God's graciousness more and more because he STILL loved me and STILL saved me.

As far as the whole gay thing goes, how is that relevant?

[therealdrag0]

You kiddin' Piper? You'll get a big city ;P

[solachristos2]

hahaha i love that:)

[UnrealHelix]

@therealdrag0 lol

[Phillip1220]

@therealdrag0 very big