Hummer H2, H3 & H3T vs Jeep JK at Beasley Knob

[emerfire]

Nice man. Thats a testament to your skill bro. Course the JK is wicked sick. Im almost completely overhauling mine right now. With a nearly limitless budget :)

Sucks those dudes didnt stick around. Kinda rude if you ask me.

[rrglock40cal]

You have to have flex on trails like that-with my sway bar disconnected I doubt I would have lifted a tire on that trail-jeep jk for life

[RobinJCT]

great video.... just goes to show, Hummers (GM) are crap, humvee's a different story, but Jeep for life....

[letterpool]

How is the IFS on the hummers offroad? Any sketchyness or constant issues not having a solid axle?

[DJBO55]

I was just there and I did it with a stock lr3 :)

[jaimeson5]

Why would someone waste money trying to off-road a hummer? Take the kids to soccer practice in that thing.

[optiplex454]

@jaimeson5 Pull your head out of your butt before you suffocate.

[jaimeson5]

@optiplex454 If you are wasting money in one of these hummers maybe you should take your own advise haha

[ricardoeldelmustang]

too bad the H1 was down, that´s the only hummer that worths it.

[davegus]

@rmorrogh Eh? I love how people like you get your jollies lobbing personal insults when you have the distance and obscurity of the Internet to hide behind. I see Karma met with you at birth. Humtard.

[drboom7]

I agree with the light-hearted ribbing, I'd even suggest a big group of Hummers and Jeeps make a outting, but then the Jeeps would be waiting for the land barges to winch clear ;)

[ranmanplan3000]

where is the hummer???? all i see is piece of sht GMC hahahah

[captfzzy]

yeah went up that in my landcruiser didnt slip either the tree on the right was a buger to stay off of but i managed . cool vid

[1998disco72]

My arguement is why does Jeep offer 2wd and 4wd as an option? To me when I see a jeep it should be a 4x4 standard!

[blombardo83]

stock for stock, new for new, jeep is better off the road. the h2 is all about people with money and 22's. Its too damn heavy for real outdoors offroading. There is no point in a hummer, unless it's from your girl ;)

[mk1spyder]

@ZzoldpeopleburningzZ you are so ignorant, racist, and just plain make no sense lol. Wth does FJ's are nice but suck even mean? That's an oxymoron just like you, a complete ignorant dumbass that knows how to post his bullshit opinion on the internet. You are the 98% of people on the planet and on the internet. I own a H1, which has been modified to be better than a humvee, so thanks for the compliment dildo. Do you even own a car or does your mom take you to play dates?

[jeepindavescj7]

but then again, if my ol jeeps suspension had as much flex as your bummers, i could also run 40s without a lift...

[jeepindavescj7]

i would love to see your bummer on 40s make it half the places that i can on 33's. now whos got the little dick syndrome. guess your just overcompensating.

[mk1spyder]

Also, if Jeeps are so great why do I never see one on the news anywhere in any other country. All I see is HMWWV's fighting libyans with Toyota's, or arabs with Toyota's, or.........just a crap ton of Toyota's lol. So basically hummers and toyotas is all that exists in the most extreme conditions. Germany was nothing on a vehicle (willys) vs the desert. The only jeep I ever owned promptly launched the spider gears through the dana 30 diff cover doing easier stuff than the pathfinder did.

[davegus]

@mk1spyder because HMMWVs were built to transport troops and cargo. Jeeps aren't. To the earlier post, there's no one vehicle configuration that's best in all off-road scenarios. "Hummers and Toyotas are all that exist in the most extreme conditions?" Really?? There are 10s of thousands of people who would disagree with that statement. The Desert may be one type of extreme condition, and climbing up a rock mountain is another. Are you saying a Hummer or Toyota would never blow a gear? Right.

[mk1spyder]

@davegus No that would be the duece.5's carrying the cargo and troops. HMWWV's replaced the Jeep because the Jeep couldn't do what the military needed it to for many reasons. The willy's Jeep won us WW2, no doubt it is a classic. But you're comparing apples or oranges. A stock H1 vs a stock Jeep is no contest in basically any situation except gas mileage and tight parking spaces lol. My H1 when it was on 38's sat exactly as high as our rental wrangler sport on 29's. That is engineering.

[davegus]

@mk1spyder Entry price on a 2010 H3: $33,390. Entry price on a 2011 4x4 Jeep JK: 23,740 (+$2.6k for a 4dr). I agree- it's Apples to Oranges to compare stock vehicles.

[mk1spyder]

And please, tell me how you figure climbing a rock very slowly on a nice breezy day is tougher than carrying 30 towel heads through the desert dodging missles. If you look at the middle east, most of their big cities are 90% Toyota corollas and everything else is a Toyota 4wd. And then there is our HMWWV's. They don't use Jeeps in russia, china, japan, all of africa, europe, canada, mexico, or south america as the main staple of transportation. Landcruiser vs Jeep Drivetrain is a joke.

[davegus]

@mk1spyder and yes, a stock Jeep is built for the mass market, not an extreme off-roader. Even the Rubicon needs a lot of upgrades. However, it's also at a much lower price point than the Hummers, leaving plenty of budget to customize it they way we want for the type of wheeling we will do. It's all good.

[mk1spyder]

@davegus I'm pretty sure my H1 cost atleast 10k less than your rubicon new but I get your point. And ya it is all just good and fun, you were a great guy to wheel with. This is just a suggestion, leave the hate undertone out of your videos. "nothing beats a jeep" I get that you're proud of your truck, it did great. But making it a VS video would insinuate it was a competition to you and you triumphed over rich hummers with your poor ol jeep. I could have made a video of the pathfinder lol.

[davegus]

@mk1spyder Expression is often mistaken in the virtual world out here... no "hate" intended. More tongue in cheek. Hummer vs. Jeep videos are all over youtube, and there are plenty that show Hummers pulling Jeeps out of the mud. Sometimes it's the equipment, many times it's the driver. You took that stock Pathfinder everywhere the H3 went, which is very impressive and goes to the point that so much of it is driver skill. There's plenty of lighthearted jib-jab here - that's all it is...

[silverrubicon69]

@mk1spyder thats why jeeps were in the war before hummers

[75Manson]

@silverrubicon69 and then they were replaced...

[1998disco72]

@silverrubicon69 Okay would you rather be in an armoured H1 or an open jeep?

[1998disco72]

Okay they were replaced would you in today's war would you feel safer in a hummer or an open air jeep?

[arasco85]

@mk1spyder they have h3 and h2 fighting in libya? oh you mean hmwwv. a real hummer. not a fucking tahoe

[sledgehomer]

@mk1spyder The Egyptian army uses the J8 as their military vehicle. Not many more places in the world that have as harsh of an environment as the Egyptian desert.Albeit the only military that still uses the Jeep... BUT WAIT, the US no longer uses the Humvee anymore anyway. Good try though.

[sledgehomer]

@sledgehomer correction, the US will be phasing out the Humvee due to it being replaced by the MRAP.

[Paladine71]

@sledgehomer Having patrolled in both, I'd take the HMMWV anyday for off-road.  The MRAPs are too unwieldy, had a few roll.

[Paladine71]

@sledgehomer Don't know where you got your information, but you're wrong. I'm active duty and we use HMMWVs all of the time.

[mk1spyder]

The official record was 0 winches for the Jeep, 0 winches for the H2, 1 winch for the regular H3, 2 winches for the pathfinder, and 2.5 for the H3T Alpha (winched twice on the same climb). But the H3T did all of the winching and extraction itself and was definately the MVP of the run in my books. Would have done fine if the driver had used the front locker at all and pushed it. But this was no competition or VS match, just a leasure trip.

[davegus]

@mk1spyder that's right - just a leisure trip. it was fun day, not intended or planned as a competition. Hell, I didn't even plan to be there at all until a half hour before I showed up... I was just surprised that the H3s got hung up at these spots.

[mk1spyder]

IFS and Solid centered rear is a combo built for the street and has no real benefits off-road unfortunately. The H3 and H2 were only working with what GM had to offer in mass produced platforms and did the best they could with the colorado and the tahoe. To be fair you're comparing a factory built crawler with over 10k of upgrades and a massive aftermarket following to a mostly stock pack of larger luxury SUV's. The H3's just werent pushing it like the pathfinder and H2.

[jeepindavescj7]

should have bought a Jeep. yall might as well have tried to take honda civics up there. they wheel just about as good as yalls Bummers...

[mk1spyder]

@jeepindavescj7 Ya, how big of tires can you fit on a stock CJ7? Cause my hummer runs 40's with no lift and a lower roof line than your jeep. What tire size do the stock axles snap at, a 29" or 30" lol? Before the rubicon a stock Jeep was as weak as a subaru. Compare a FJ-40 landcruiser to your CJ7 side by side and feel the short dick syndrome of your weak ass needs 15k of upgrades to compete vehicle.

[77TrailBreaker]

Hey Dave, Thanks for posting the vid. Its always nice to see how it looks form outside the truck. I drove the H3T, and do have front and rear lockers. But I think the length is what really got me on the trails that day, and lack of ground clearance at the center of the truck. Also I was concerned with flogging the truck too hard and breaking a front CV, which I didnt bring a spare (my fault). The Jeep solid axle has the advantage here no doubt. But it was still a fun day!

[Paladine71]

I could see the other two having problems because of ground clearance and length of wheel base, but the H2, H3 and JK should have made it easy. Apparently only two did. Was the H3 driver inexperienced?

[davegus]

@Paladine71 Both H3s struggled, and yes both go off road fairly regularly from what they said. Rear diffs were getting hung up like you suggested. But having no articulation in the front axle is the biggest weak spot IMO. Every time the H3s got off camber, they would teeter on one front and one rear tire, and there wasn't enough traction to get up and over, even with the one H3T that had lockers.

[davegus]

@davegus and on the second obstacle (not in this video), where both H3s had to winch again, one of the H3 drivers commented how my JK's articulation allowed all 4 tires to maintain contact and keep solid traction - again not even a minor tire slip for the JK where they both had to winch.

[Paladine71]

@davegus IFS is certainly a strength in some areas and a weakness in others. All rigs have some obstacles that they are good on and others that they aren't. I'm guessing that the H3T only had the factory rear e-lockers? And the H3 had no lockers? Certainly a case for a locked front and rear. How were their lines? I grew up in Jeeps and wheel an H3 Alpha when work permits. Both are great off-roaders.

[davegus]

@Paladine71 Completely agree about vehicle strengths - no one vehicle could be the best in all scenarios. Their lines... well I find that topic to be very subjective (opinion) as well as being dependent on the capabilities of the vehicle. Some approaches I might have taken a little differently, but then again, I've never actually driven an Hx. In this video, I would have gone even more left (back up further right, advance left), and I don't think they gave that enough of a chance.

[Paladine71]

@davegus Thanks for posting up the vid. It's always good to speak with another wheeler.

[rbot59]

My grandfather just got an 07 jk four door. We'd like to go off the pavement with a group sometime. When do y'all go? We live in Dahlonega btw.

[davegus]

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[TheOx38]

Jeep Winsss