Like Berlinski said: "It's not a sufficient reason, but a necessary one". Not that I'm mirroring, but I think it's well put. What Hitler was doing was selective breeding in human to have a race of "perfection". It seems to take some, if not a lot, from evolution - were evolution implies black people are a progression from apes, etc. And yes, it is human intervened evolution - someone might call it barbaric, social darwinism. But, I see how it could annoy a humane evolutionist.
@AceofDlamonds Well, Hitler was trying to use the evolutional theory to weed out the handy cap. And if you do sum research on the backing of Hitler you'll find he was guided by the Vatican. 'Cause the pope wanted Israel for part of its domain. True, to some extent, but this was made by a jew so hes making a connection.
@haleygoeswhoohoo They don't need to, but if one tries to explain life came in to existence by an intelligent designer, it's not acceptable in modern science.
There could very well be life after death, but how does one do scientific experiments to test for it? Science can only work with the physic realm, what can be weighed, measured, and tested. Science explains how the physical world works. The existence of God or the after-life can not be tested for, or proved or disproved. Even if those things existed, it's outside the realm of the physical sciences. We are not out to prove there's no God. We only do science, and that's it! Grow up!
. . . continued from previous . . . It was religious fanatics like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Michael Pearl who advocates beating children, even 2 year old infants with a length of quarter-inch plumbing supply line just for crying! It was fanatics like Fred Phelps and all these television evangelists. It was these low-life scum-bags that eroded my faith in God, and NOT evolution!
@BigFatHeretic Sir, all you have done is point out people that misrepresent God. If that is the foundation of your argument, you have no argument. That's like saying you don't want to be German because of Hitler and the Natzis. You need to understand, people are IMPERFECT, and so you shy away from the God because of certain people that misrepresent him? How about you represent Him PROPERLY instead of running away from the issue?
I have been reading books on science such as , astronomy, biology, paleontology ,and evolution since I was just a kid in grade school. My mother taught me how to read before I even started going to school and by the time I was only in the 3rd grade I could already read at adult level. I was raised a Christian, and it was not studying science that eroded my faith in God, it was organized religion itself that eroded my faith. It was religious fanatics like . . . . . to be continued . . .
Where does he get the connection between evolution and the lack of free will. There is a massive step missing there. I honestly don't have any idea how he came to that conclusion.
religion as a side dish? if i was in a world like that i'd shoot myself. all these evil ppl who dont believe in morality therefore free to do any evil thing they want expecting there to be no consequences... what a horrible world to live in. even worse than now. sad ppl were clapping for that man who wanted to get rid of religion. sadly their souls will perish as his...
@toffanful Atheists represent! We need state atheism! Enforced Atheism. Let the rivers flow with the blood of many millions, without which state atheism has never occured!!!! viva REVOLUTION, RELIGION IS CHILD ABuSE
@toffanful There are many documents talking about a man named Jesus. Evidence of his miracles, some documents even against him. Archaological and scientific proof.
Also I would like to point out that given the human race's natural tendency to have religion. They/We will replace it with something else (like communism or adherence to something Oligarchical).
If humans are biased against God, a belief that most religions hold, then there would inevitably be a bias for evolution. It isn't the existence of evidence for ID that creationist necessarily find motivating (though it can be), it is that the theory of evolution is so broken that absolute belief in it, or allowing it to form your world view is equivalent to religion, more so than religions that are at least spiritual, or, like Christianity are historically reliable.
Actually understanding science does have an amazing effect on religious belief... But the fact that people leave your cult because they become educated says a lot about your cult and not about the people leaving. Just means they'd rather learn about the various abiogenesis hypotheses and not about a talking snake and magical fruit.
There is no bias towards evolution. There simply is no evidence for Intelligent Design. The fact that Ben spends the whole documentary repeating this lie makes me feel like he's really dishonest.
@Bill4Banco I really hate to burst your little bubble of hope but humans aren't perfect, to the advanced intelligent mindset, I think we are far from it. Even if it can be "attained", most likely humanity isn't going to get it anytime soon. Most likely candidate for the "perfect intelligence" would be a self-evolving artificial intelligence, similar to HAL9000.
And people would do well to distinguish between natural selection, a process which determines life based on survival in a given environment, and eugenics, a process which determines life through the actions of a group with a set of beliefs of what makes the ideal organism--a practice that goes so very much further back than the Nazis (you might remember it as the only historical fact at the beginning of the movie "300").
Ben Stein's trolling of how Darwinism is synonymous with atheism shows that he's not concerned with science, he's alarmist about the evils of liberalism to which
science allegedly adduces people. That Ben Stein appears on Fox News surprises me far less.
i feel very sorry for the man who has lost all hope and life in this documentary... You can clearly see that he feels a great emptiness in his heart and soul... I really hope he finds Jesus again...Please save him Jesus
Awful, dishonest film. I found the assertion that Darwinism is necessary to create Nazism deeply offensive. Putting aside the obvious 'Hitler was a confirmed Catholic' and the fact that most major religions preach that other peoples are inferior, something no scientist would ever say, the Spartans rolled babies down hills to weed out the weak - so it's belief in Zeus that led to Nazi death camps.
What is interesting is that former religious believers who are scientist; when they came into contact with evolution or learned about it - they abandon their faith.
@autobahn101driversed you then have to look at former atheist scientist who when observed how little real scientific eviidence for evolution became believers in a creator... Evolution claims do not uphold the scientific method.... They want you to believe that micro evolution became in to macro evolution, which has never been observed... Therefore its not scientifc and just pure speculation... to claim it to be a fact is a big fat lie
3:55 you can say religius wars are the majority of conflicks whale true. most cnflickts are started by extremest groups that are lead by people who have twisted and streached the core of there beliefe so they will go to war over it. only when everyone gose buy the originle docterain do we have peace and understanding even the koran. witch i do not read but am useing as an exsample only sais to declare a holy war if foriegners invade you it says nothing about starting wars in the name of alla.
@jackbliss How? His voice is dripping with sarcasm.
They're talking about evolution and its "bad philosophy". It's an attack through emotion. "I don't believe because I don't like it". That is ridiculous. Most of the atheists I know are actually quite happy and feel blessed for life.
What the hell does the last 1/2 of the movie have to do with evolution, biology, or science? The Holocaust analogy is heinous. Hitler got his ideas from a criminally superficial reading of Nietzsche not Darwin
To quote Dawkins himself "You and I are quite grotesquely lucky to be alive. If you think about the different ways our genes could be permuted and all the things that had to happen in order for us to exist, we privileged to alive. And we should make the most of our time on this world."
@14sJakeB190 When you come to the realization that your entire life is not owed to you, you see it as a gift in the truest sense of the word. Not a gift that god gave you, but a true gift. One you didn't earn and don't feel the need to pay anyone back. Add in the lack of any kind of afterlife, one begins to feel a true sense of awe and joy at having THIS life. When one truly understands how grotesquely lucky we are to be alive at all, life becomes indescribably beautiful.
@Kruezoraxe Just an opinion. The facts remain that it is still meaningless, without inherent purpose.
I could care less about God one way or another. It's just not very happy to know that once we die it will be like we never lived at all. All our work, everything we have learned, loved, and experienced will all ultimately be for nothing. It isn't very exciting news. Once you die all reality and everything that ever existed ceases to exist for you. Sadly it's just another hard cold fact.
@14sJakeB190 And that's just fine for me and so many other atheists I know. For us, one life is more than good enough. I don't feel I am owed an afterlife and thus I do my best to put my personal meaning into this one. This life is yours. If you don't think life has a meaning, then it's time to make one.
And all your work will not be meaningless. If you worked to leave the world better than you found it, then those results will stay behind in the people whom you helped be better
@Kruezoraxe But do you truly realize that once you die, it will be as if you never lived even once? I don't know if many people can even fathom it. It only will have meaning for you. It won't actually exist outside of your own mind. You might as well believe in a "god" because both would only be in your head.
It will only be temporary. Human civilization is bound to die out one day. We will all be forgotten, and humanity itself might as well have never existed. We're only biological computers.
@Kruezoraxe Yeah, but, even if there is no afterlife would it be better to live as there were. We do not know all things - just what if there was something after all.
@Kruezoraxe I sorta like his sarcasm. Evolution is just an effort to explain how we got to where we are, not how life started. But as you can see even Dawkins says we were probably seeded here.
Most of the movie has to do with freedom of thought wich is threatening science and (more pertinently near the end of the movie) is revealed through interviews with prominent scientists and philosophers. Also, did you forget in the second half he interviews a very staunch atheist Richard Dawkins?
@Kruezoraxe Evolution is just an effort to explain how we got to where we are, not how life started. But as you can see even Dawkins says we were probably seeded here.
Most of the movie has to do with freedom of thought wich is threatening science and (more pertinently near the end of the movie) is revealed through interviews with prominent scientists and philosophers. Also, did you forget in the second half he interviews a very staunch atheist Richard Dawkins? Hitler's method was eugenics!
@4444Werty No. This movie is pure propaganda. Many of the scientists he interviewed accused him of quote-mining and misrepresenting them. The problems that occurred with that famous ID paper occurred because the person responsible pushed the paper through to publication without peer review which is despicable.
The interview with Dawkins was as rife with quote-mining and misrepresentation as it gets. Dawkins actually thought it was so terribly done that he was amused by the cheap editing.
@4444Werty And the Hitler analogy is just so terribly done it's sad. The idea that evolution leads to Nazism is fallacious to the nth degree. And even if evolution did lead to believing other people were inferior, that would mean nothing to an academic. Either evolution did happen or it didn't. It did by the way.
The name says it all. No intelligence allowed. For the film makers and the audience.
@Kruezoraxe Never heard these problems. The ID paper author may have done so to prevent tampering - I don't know. But it was clearly an arbitrary action on the university's part. Only a few clips are out of context. There appears to be no editing on the interviews and yes, evolutionary thought could lead to a rapid out come of survival of the fittest.
@4444Werty The ID paper had nothing to do with academic suppression of ID. It had to do with not following the rules of peer-review which is the foundation for science.
@Kruezoraxe I still think it may have been because the ID paper threatened some evolutionary principle and it was a reaction by some intolerant faculty member. I don't know much about peer reviewing, but I don't see if the paper was logical and made no assumptions - it should have been fine if the author chose not to have it peer reviewed, for some reason that was not mentioned.
@Kruezoraxe And about the quote mining all the clips in the film are all conclusive except a few. Btw I looked at the quote mining video by Dawkins and it is pretty much the same format as was in the film. I don't see the inconsistency.
@4444Werty Expelled made the argument that Dawkins considered ID a real possibility. He doesn't.
They make him sound inconsistent. He isn't.
They make the argument that Darwin was a racist. He wasn't.
Finally, this movie can lay siege to evolution all it wants (albeit pathetically) but at the end of the day, it has to prove that ID is worth pursuing. But it's not. I would like to see ONE biologist, not motivated by religion, who has looked at the evidence and believes in ID.
The Bible... LIKE ALL HOLY BOOKS was written by people. Your faith is not in a god, it is in the people who wrote that book. You're hoping that they're telling the truth and that they actually heard from something supernatural. Just like Muslims have faith in those who wrote the Koran etc.
All "holy" books are written by people.
I put my trust in facts and evidence that modern day people find through science,
@AaronHubler Yes. The Bible was indeed "written" by men, but it was also "inspired" by God. People have to really study it to come to this realization: Any intelligent human can write a book that only other intelligent human could understand (such as a legal doc or medical doc), but to write a book that only humble-hearted people could understand, requires the work of God, and the Bible is such a book! Everlasting life is a precious gift open to everyone, but not forced on everyone.
Hence today that I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the almighty creator by defending myself against the Jew I am fighting for the work of the lord"
@onemarilynfan I agree with you totally... i've had many debates on this subject. I believe i live a very moral life. I am a vegetarian, I do good deeds and help people but i did not get my morals from the bible. I am not sure why christians seem to think that morality would suffer if everyone was atheist.
@Stevil3113 I just watched a debate on cspan,with some moron and Christopher Hitchens. The other guy was saying atheism is immoral and poisons everything.WTF!? Like you have to believe in god, to have morals?I know A LOT of 'christians' who are mean and nasty ppl, and they always start their judgmental comments off by saying 'I'm a christian" like its ok to say whatever shit you want, as long as you are a christian! Arent they NOT supposed to judge others? (con't)
@Stevil3113 The shit that pisses me off the most is this, they treat religion like a buffet, picking and choosing the stuff they WANT to follow,and ignoring the others.I'll bet ya that 99.9% of the 'christians' here all do some form of work on Sunday,they look at men or women with lust,do they pluck out their eye when doing so? Do u think god(if he WAS real) would respect them more than I b/c they are hypocrites, and I stand behind my beliefs. At least I have the guts to say so!
POOR CREATIONIST VICTIMS. Galileo was found guilty of heresy, having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions. He was sentenced to imprisonment by Inquisition and was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.
Survival of the fittest is a concept that evolution relies on... Hitler sought to enforce that among people.... Religion does not cause death.... Is religion alive and it kills people by itself? is a knife evil because it is sharp and can cause harm? or is it people who foolish and selfish who maybe influenced by ideas or reilgions but in the end it is still a man's choice to kill, if you can't survive the attack then you aren't the fittest and you deserve to die... Welcome to evolution(hitler)
@StarRonKid YOU MORON!!! Hitler was a devout catholic! Stop trying to mix evolution and hitler together! Youre probably that asshole at the teabag rally holding the obama with a hitler mustache sign!
@onemarilynfan have you not heard hitlers speech ?! and calling me names isn't going to help it just shows how narrow minded you are! hitler clearly speaks about making the ultimate people aka the survival of the fittest which is why hitler killed disabled people and mentally challenged people! No one truly knows how this world began so therefore Macro evolution is a reiligion because it requires faith. If this is truly how you are going to act why should i listen?
@StarRonKid I can usually have conversations with ppl that I dont agree with. I love to debate,but when someone doesnt even listen to anything,it makes it hard.I am an atheist but I have read the bible and I studied many religions before coming to a decision. I don;t think that makes me closed minded. I dont run on blind faith. I like things that make sense,not things that are irrational.
@onemarilynfan That's what makes sense to YOU. And that is fine; everyone is allowed their own opinion. But the problem comes from people who are so intollerant that they can't allow someone else to believe something other than what they believe. If believing in a certain thing or idea gives a person hope (and as long as they aren't slaughtering millions in the process) what does it hurt to let them believe it?
@theGoob713 Thats exactly how I FEEL! The problem I'm speaking of is when I am berated for MY beliefs! I hear everything,like "When you are on your death bed, you will be calling for god" and I hear a lot worse too. My point here is this,I HAVE read the bible,and studied, and still do,the history of Jesus and his time. I like to learn about history,I am pretty much a nerd when it comes to this subject,but ppl think Im some devil worshiper b/c science makes more sense to ME.
@onemarilynfan I don't have a problem with that. I don't think that you should judge someone because of their chosen Faith, be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Athiest, Shinto, or any other faith. The only problem I have with 'religion' is when people use their religion as an excuse to cause harm. Then I believe that they have strayed from their faith and chosen to twist it into something toxic to achieve their own ends. THAT is when I have a problem with it.
@theGoob713 And I CAN understand that if someone, lets say is in jail for life, and they turn to god,b/c they have nothing else to believe in,I GET IT, if it makes you feel good, fine. I am happy that ppl can follow something, and have faith in it,if it doesnt hurt anyone else! The problem is that a lot of times, it DOES hurt ppl. So many wars (most) are b/c of opposing religious views, I dont get it,isnt the rule, you cant judge anyone,only god can, right. They follow only what they want to!
@onemarilynfan Basically what I'm saying is that I think it would be very nice if people would stop trying to get me to change my belief in God by saying that it is stupid or illogical. I don't go around telling people that my doctrine of faith says that if you aren't saved you're going to hell. It would just be nice if they'd show me the same personal courtesy.
@theGoob713 Man, I am not trying to get you to change ur mind,you got me confused w/other ppl here! I have no problem w/ur beliefs! I have read the bible, used to go to church,just had a problem w/all the ?'s I had unanswered. I found my answers in science,when they tried to tell me the earth was 6000 yrs old,that was it for me!I would ask why do u pray if everything happens the way god wants it to,the 'everything happens for a reason'thing,then why ask god for things or help?But thats ME,not U!
@onemarilynfan Woah, totally not what I was saying. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I thought you were trying to change my beliefs. I was just stating that I've encountered some intolerant ass-hats who've tried to get me to do just that and it irritates me. I was NOT making that comment about you, but about the contingent(sp) of people who cannot sleep at night without knowing that EVERYONE believes what they believe. Sorry again.
@theGoob713 Good, I feel better! Yes, I feel the world would be a much better place if there were no religion, BUT I dont try to make ppl feel bad or stupid b/c they believe. I recently watched a debate on cspan,with C.Hitchens and some other guy,he said atheism was the root of all evil,and Hitchens said religion was,it was VERY interesting!THAT does make me angry,when ppl say atheist are like Hitler,even tho Hitler was not an atheist! Its ignorance about subjects that angers me!
@onemarilynfan :) Glad we cleared up that little (or not so little) misunderstanding. Personally, I believe that you should be able to believe whatever you want as long as it doesn't endanger the lives of others. If you're an athiest that's fine with me; I can easily carry on a conversation with you without resorting to telling you that 'you're wrong'. I don't think that that is the way a Christian should talk to other people; it's rude. And I've NEVER said that atheists are like Hitler.
@theGoob713 I made some comments somewhere about Obama,being as I am a liberal,and to speak about the ignorance thing,some person made a fake channel with my pic all over it,saying where I lived,all my info,putting on there I was a racist and hated Obama,my kids are mixed,this pisses me off. But it just goes to show,some ppl are IGNORANT,cant debate b/c they dont get it! I guess I am too old for this shit, I am an ancient 35 years!
@onemarilynfan WTF???? That's messed up?! I guess that just goes to show how ignorant and petty people can be. I'm sorry that happened to you. :( Lol, yeah, I guess you don't have time for that kind of petty crap, being that old, lol jk!
@theGoob713 I thought this would interest you. My 17 yo did her last high school paper. The teacher always quotes the bible in class. My kid has chosen her beliefs on her own,truly b/c my 11yo has chosen to believe in god. I let them choose.But anyway,the topic was 'should religion be taught in school,why or why not?' well obviously she chose the latter. She has made straight a's in english for many years,she did a good job. Well, this teacher gave her a D! Now I cant prove it, but I (con't)
@theGoob713 really believe it is because of the teachers beliefs. And this is one of my problems w/ religion. If a TEACHER cant keep her feelings out of it,what hope is there for ppl to ever agree or debate with some common sense? She made the points about there being way too many religions to properly teach one or the other in a public school,and many other valid points.No mistakes, nothing,and a D!? This is her senior year,it goes w/o saying, I'm pretty pissed.What are your thoughts?
what a load a shit. What about the crusades? The nazi never shouted FOR ATHIESTISM when they killed people most WHERE religous. So shut the fuck up Stien Hitler is crazy to say that an Athiest soceity is like that, why dont you take a look at Denmak 83% athiest or something like that. They dont seem to be killing large amounts of people weird right?
Here we go... Fuck you Ben Stein, comparing Darwinism with Nazism. Racial superiority as a basis for evolution and Darwin's scientific research?? That's about as low a blow as you can take.
"Fuck you Ben Stein, comparing Darwinism with Nazism. Racial superiority as a basis for evolution and Darwin's scientific research?? That's about as low a blow as you can take."
Ugly, but if Bradford and Hill have any respectability, the causal association between the two is undeniably true.
@Burninatorxzy2443 Could you reword that with punctuation and proper grammar and stuff? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. They give you like, 400 characters to use to put your opinions across. Feel free to use them.
@Leveler0636 Listen to the words of Bill ''Don't regulate guns or drugs. Regulate religion.'' how exactly do you''regulate religion'' ? What about the people who have faith and don't want to ''regulate''? MAKE them do it? Force them? Send them to prison like you would a gunman or a drug dealer? Kill them perhaps?
Don't you see how this philosophy is destructive? Do a little research on Hitler's ''ethnic cleansing''.
@emnity33 I'll tell you how you regulate religion - if your religion teaches; murder in the name of your god, rape, infanticide, intollerance of other races, certain genders or lifestyles or anything completely debunked by science (like the Earth is 6000 - 10000 years old) it should be amended. Take away their tax exemption status if they don't. That would work for pretty much everyone, wouldn't it?
@emnity33 Also, concerning ethnic cleasning - Darwin referenced a pure form of Eugenics, which is basically quality control of a species. The reason humans with disabilities can survive comfortably is because of our technology. Darwin was simply stating that in the natural world, these would be the slower and weaker animals that would become food for predators. That's it. If Hitler took it the next step by trying to wipe out a race or religion, it's because he was a bigot, not an evolutionist.
@emnity33 I'm sorry, but I'm having a difficult time understanding exactly what you are trying to say here. The man who said that we needed to regulate religion was not Bill Stein. If you could explain (without getting agitated, as I am not challenging your opinion) I would greatly appreciate it.
@Leveler0636 ITS NOT COMPARING, ITS A RECOGNITION OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT THEORY AND HISTORICAL EVENT TO NOT SEE AND ACCEPT THAT IS TO REMAIN IGNORANT.
Hear me now. God is lying to you. He doesn't want you to know about evolution, because then you would be like him, with your eyes open, knowing of good and evil.
@Popz1992 That's exactly right. Some would argue the serpent was telling the truth. In fact this idea is not uncommon. Google "medical symbol." It is two snakes in a double helix formation ascending to Godhood. The implications are profound.
@Popz1992 lets apply your theory to our world. Do we become like God after our childhood innocence dissipates? I seemed much happier when i was a kid when i didn't know how evil and horrid our world actually is. As a parent, i would protect my child's innocent mind as long as i could. Adam and eve likewise had this same childhood innocence, their heavenly father wanted to keep the knowledge of evil away from them so they can live a better life.
Bill Mayer's observation is true back centuries ago. Not today. What is the biggest promoter today of death & destruction? Greedy corporations. Greed is the motivator for war. "No one ever got rich by working hard, but, U can get rich by getting a lot of ppl to work hard for you. Peonage is against the law, but, not against the law to volunteer into it. You volunteered into the tax system but you can't get out of it, they tell you. BullScat! George Gordon got out of it. And so can you.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible qualities have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, both His everlasting power and Mightiness, for them to be without excuse,
i love how all atheist think religion cases the most deaths, when Stalin, Mao, and Khmer Rouge killed more people than all the religious wars combined. the thing is religion does kill. but you kill more people if you are atheist and believe all humans are animals. abortion was legalized because evolution said fetus' are no more than underdeveloped monkeys and fish.
You assume that all atheists are identical. The only thing that you can absolutely conclude atheists have in common is the fact that they don't believe in god. This is different than a religion where I can read the holy text and conclude what that religious group is forced to follow. So, good job generalizing all of us.
@TheSeventhSon Atheists don't believe in God. Something like that is easy to generalize. Feel free to read the new testament, that which I am "forced" to follow. I believe you would find it a very good guideline to follow, but, oh wait. You don't believe in God so you couldn't even consider it. Sigh* Oh well, so much for openminded people.
That's one characteristic. Assuming that all atheists are totalitarian dictators is completely different. Oh, you believe it's a good guideline? Too bad it stems from the Old Testament which is a book full of murder, slavery, and homophobia. I have read the New Testament. According to you, I'm not open minded because I don't agree with it. Yes, that makes sense. I'm not open minded because I don't agree with you. High five for that logic.
@TheSeventhSon You know, I hear that all the time from Darwinists. They read the bible with from a severely prejudice standpoint, excepting only what they view as negative and completely ignoring blatant positives. Secondly, if you believe in Darwinism, you cannot believe in God, which is the entire goal of satan. (A Trip into the Supernatural, good documentry) If you truly want to discuss the specific issues in question (murder, slavery and homophobia), email me at martinluther444@gmail.com
@TheSeventhSon But now you're a Darwinist, so you don't believe in God. I don't have to assume, everyone knows that a Darwinist does not believe in a God, or at least thinks that God is just some being out there in the universe that doesn't do anything. Btw, if you had actually watched this video, you can see that we don't "blindly reject evolution" (talk about assumptions!), that evolution is severely flawed in several points, points that you "blindly" ignore. Btw, plz email on issues in ques.
I'm not a "Darwinist". There are plenty of biologists that believe in god. This video doesn't once analyze anything factual about evolution. Please tell me how evolution is severely flawed.
@TheSeventhSon First of all, I am not a biologist and do not waste my time researching darwinism. With that said, from what I have learned from this video, the complexity of the cell is far to great than coincidence could ever produce. Everything about the cell points to intelligent design. Not only that, but if it were possible for life to form randomly, the chances of that happening are billions to one. The video points you to the core of darwinism. Where did the first cell come from? Factual.
@TheSeventhSon Lol. "openly admit to knowing nothing about 'Darwinism". I said I do not waste my time RESEARCHING darwinism. Everyone knows a little about darwinism, as we are all FORCED to learn it at school, no? Btw, why do you keep attacking me? (U trollin', brosef?, good job making assumptions ect) Why not simply discuss the issues at hand? And quit taking everything I say out of context, it only makes you look stupid. I'm sure your not, just giving you a friendly tip.
Defensive. When you say that you haven't taken the time to research a topic, then you are implying that you don't know much about that topic. You can't know about something without researching it. I never attacked you. You're just not making much of an argument for yourself.
@TheSeventhSon "And quit taking everything I say out of context, it only makes you look stupid. I'm sure your not, just giving you a friendly tip." Ok, I'll admit it, in high school I "researched" darwinism. Good enough for you?
You're pretty foolish to think that a high school class means that you know an entire subject. An undergraduate degree hardly provides you with enough knowledge about a given topic. A high school class certainly will not. So, as I said, you admit to not knowing much about evolution and then jump around to abiogenesis topics.
@TheSeventhSon evolution is flawed because there are too many missing links and no proof of any transition species between primates and humans. plus there is no explanation for the origin of human intelligence or the huge loss of muscle mass from primates to humans. humans are not physically suited to live in the wild, therefore, they could not have evolved from the wild. see Lloyd Pye's intervention theory on YouTube. it points out many faults and missing links in darwinism.
dont pick side, dont let the goverment and the system set you up against another human beeing. we are all wrong, all thing we beliewe are thrue now is wrong soon. so look in forward dont look back.
@vizion24 oh, you've restored my faith in Jesus! Thank you! I'll add the virgin mary to my vishnu and shiva shrine in the corner. They also have superpowers!
The only way to take away religion is to kill millions of people. And from the hatred these pigs have, I wouldn't be surprised if they do. They refuse intelligent design but say aliens exist and life exists on other worlds who could have easily advanced to higher levels than we are aware of. I believe that God hides from them so he can let them find him later and be ashamed. LOL
@TheLaunchingPad The funny thing is, there is no evidence for alien visitation to this world, and there is no evidence that we were genetically created by aliens. Dawkins wants to say that intelligent design could be true if aliens did it, but not God? This is pure confusion. Dawkins has about as much evidence for alien designers as he does for God. It is clear he just hates God. That is a curse on your soul. He who wrongs God, wrongs his own soul.
@GutsBrandedSwordsman ---We have evidence brutha, it's just suppressed. The Mayan God pictograph clearly depicts a spaceship. There are pilots on record discussing vehicles flying at astronomical speeds. The problem is that birds, meteors, bugs and fraud gets popularity. I saw a UFO hovering silently over Tecktronix, a huge 23 building microchip company in Beaverton, OR. It hovered silently and had wings like an x-mas tree and was lighted so it was probably military. I almost crashed my car.
@TheLaunchingPad Your UFO was a fallen angel. They can shape shift to. I e see "things" in the sky appear and disappear all the time. In any case your mayan calandar pictographs are B.S. propaganda, and those pilots never saw , any "vehicles". I suggest you drive safe and watch the road.
@TheLaunchingPad I already told you, they may have thought they saw vehicles, but the ufo vehicles they thought they saw were in reality fallen angels. I do not intend to say that the piolets and their flight logs lie, just that what they percieve as "ufo's" or "vehicles" are not actually those things, but fallen angels working lying signs and wonders. I recommend you watch a video regarding this topic. Watch these vids.. Pt 1 The real story behind Aliens, Ufos, Demons, Illuminati & Satanism
@GutsBrandedSwordsman -Not all Angels are fallen. This is your blind-spot. There is a vast possibilty that many of these angels/aliens are good in nature. You cannot discern between them so don't act like you know everything about them. I happen to know that Angels often do things that are out of character in order to help mankind. Is the Angel of Death a bad angel? You get what I am saying? I have seen your videos on this and it's the same crap...they say all angels/aliens are Satan. Prove it!
They do not say ALL angels are fallen, only the ones causing the bizarre occerences in the sky. It leads to deception, which is not of God. I respect that you have watched the videos regarding this topic. What people are seeing are lying signs and wonders. The angel of death good? Well, I know that in the new heaven and new earth there will be no more death, for death itself shall pass away. I understand your question, and I do not claim all angels are bad. Just 1/3 of them...
@GutsBrandedSwordsman -You are right in fearing the possibility of these lights being part of a deception, even if they do not "say" anything, but there is also the possibility that in space their are different technologies and beings, much like we have luminescent creatures at great depths in the sea and we cannot believe how they survive the pressure and cold but they do. You think God makes animals and he wouldn't make aliens... laughable. Is he not the creator of All Things? Look around you.
@GutsBrandedSwordsman -I also wish to address the 1/3 fallen angel remark. It is not biblical. I think you get this from Rev 12:4. However, this story is describing stars, NOT Angels. If you read further in verses 7-9 you will see that Michael kicks out the devil and his angels at a later time so this is not the writer being redundant, the stars are just that.. stars. This is a common error with Christians and biblical metaphor. the Dragon is a destroyer of Stars cast down by Michael. Solid.
@TheLaunchingPad Even if there were aliens, does it really matter to us? If God wished us to know of such things, why wouldn't He reveal them? This also applys to the number of angels who fell. Does it matter? Satan rules over them and the amount of demons numbers, at the very least, well into the many thousands. You should read the book of enoch.
@MartinLuther444 -It ALL matters. When we understand the universe we live in, we understand God better. His handiwork becomes apparent and the deception of the darkside is revealed to us so we can resist. Of course, It is better to dwell on God than the universe but how can you ignore the universe? We are destined to meet angels as well as God and there is a vast world around us that we can't even see because of dogma and human filters... remove your rose-colored lenses and live!
@TheLaunchingPad I understand the world all to well. The earth is doomed. Thousands of years of sin has a very negative effect on the people and the planet. I'm not denying that there could be aliens out there, I'm just saying it should not be in our top ten of concerns right now. Your personal salvation is much more important.
Oh my G-d PLEASE DON'T.... oh that hurt, when he said he was Jewish I was mortified.... I am a Jew, we are NOT insane and MOST of us are ATHEISTS! FUCK YOU BEN STEIN YOU FUCKING MORON! You are not smart enough to understand Judaism, do NOT represent us as if we were stuck in the bronze age, for fuck's sake. THERE IS NO G-D, now go home you bloody moron! And yes, my entire family were in the camps during the Holocaust. We are not a stupid people, Ben Stein is one of the few exceptions. Fuck!
Apparently you, VeritasTruthEmet, are another 'exception' and dwell on the 'stupid' side. But anyway, I like your post here...your inclusion of qualifiers, 'I'm one-of-the-crowd' claim, and expletives really won me over!
jews need to stop takling about nazi germany
IzaFaqat 4 days ago
I thought this movie was well done. I've seen it three times.
4444Werty 3 weeks ago
Like Berlinski said: "It's not a sufficient reason, but a necessary one". Not that I'm mirroring, but I think it's well put. What Hitler was doing was selective breeding in human to have a race of "perfection". It seems to take some, if not a lot, from evolution - were evolution implies black people are a progression from apes, etc. And yes, it is human intervened evolution - someone might call it barbaric, social darwinism. But, I see how it could annoy a humane evolutionist.
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4444Werty 3 weeks ago
Yes, Hitler got his ideas from reading about nihilism and justifying his actions with some conspiracy theory about the Jews and a "master race".
Even IF he used Darwin to justify his actions, it doesn't mean evolution is invalid. FAIL
AceofDlamonds 2 months ago
@AceofDlamonds Well, Hitler was trying to use the evolutional theory to weed out the handy cap. And if you do sum research on the backing of Hitler you'll find he was guided by the Vatican. 'Cause the pope wanted Israel for part of its domain. True, to some extent, but this was made by a jew so hes making a connection.
4444Werty 1 month ago
@4444Werty
A bad connection at that.
AceofDlamonds 1 month ago
How do religion and science go together??
haleygoeswhoohoo 3 months ago
@haleygoeswhoohoo They don't need to, but if one tries to explain life came in to existence by an intelligent designer, it's not acceptable in modern science.
4444Werty 1 month ago
God is imaginary. You're welcome.
gabbababble 5 months ago
Okay, now it's getting nasty...
FreakmundZoid 5 months ago
There could very well be life after death, but how does one do scientific experiments to test for it? Science can only work with the physic realm, what can be weighed, measured, and tested. Science explains how the physical world works. The existence of God or the after-life can not be tested for, or proved or disproved. Even if those things existed, it's outside the realm of the physical sciences. We are not out to prove there's no God. We only do science, and that's it! Grow up!
BigFatHeretic 7 months ago
@BigFatHeretic There is a good deal of research on consciousness after death. NDE's and the like. Search google
Lisztman88 4 months ago
. . . continued from previous . . . It was religious fanatics like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Michael Pearl who advocates beating children, even 2 year old infants with a length of quarter-inch plumbing supply line just for crying! It was fanatics like Fred Phelps and all these television evangelists. It was these low-life scum-bags that eroded my faith in God, and NOT evolution!
BigFatHeretic 7 months ago
@BigFatHeretic Sir, all you have done is point out people that misrepresent God. If that is the foundation of your argument, you have no argument. That's like saying you don't want to be German because of Hitler and the Natzis. You need to understand, people are IMPERFECT, and so you shy away from the God because of certain people that misrepresent him? How about you represent Him PROPERLY instead of running away from the issue?
XImRealToTheGameX 2 months ago
I have been reading books on science such as , astronomy, biology, paleontology ,and evolution since I was just a kid in grade school. My mother taught me how to read before I even started going to school and by the time I was only in the 3rd grade I could already read at adult level. I was raised a Christian, and it was not studying science that eroded my faith in God, it was organized religion itself that eroded my faith. It was religious fanatics like . . . . . to be continued . . .
BigFatHeretic 7 months ago
He isn't sure that rational debate can be had? Yeah and one of the greatest dividers is RELIGION!
No one's going to war over the nature vs. nurture debate or the universal grammar argument. Science FTW
Kruezoraxe 7 months ago
Where does he get the connection between evolution and the lack of free will. There is a massive step missing there. I honestly don't have any idea how he came to that conclusion.
27CDruid 7 months ago
free will? the guy hasn't read or understood his bible classes very well his he? Religion and free will oppose each other.!!!!!!!!!!!!
trailerfitter2 7 months ago
religion as a side dish? if i was in a world like that i'd shoot myself. all these evil ppl who dont believe in morality therefore free to do any evil thing they want expecting there to be no consequences... what a horrible world to live in. even worse than now. sad ppl were clapping for that man who wanted to get rid of religion. sadly their souls will perish as his...
nikitty020 7 months ago
Christianity is historically reliable? Are you serious?
toffanful 10 months ago 10
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@toffanful Atheists represent! We need state atheism! Enforced Atheism. Let the rivers flow with the blood of many millions, without which state atheism has never occured!!!! viva REVOLUTION, RELIGION IS CHILD ABuSE
fashklash 6 months ago
@toffanful sounds rational to me!!
piusvapor 6 months ago
@toffanful There are many documents talking about a man named Jesus. Evidence of his miracles, some documents even against him. Archaological and scientific proof.
robert33182 1 month ago
@toffanful Are you speaking of Catholicism or Christianity?
4444Werty 4 weeks ago
Also I would like to point out that given the human race's natural tendency to have religion. They/We will replace it with something else (like communism or adherence to something Oligarchical).
gnomesrule19 10 months ago
If humans are biased against God, a belief that most religions hold, then there would inevitably be a bias for evolution. It isn't the existence of evidence for ID that creationist necessarily find motivating (though it can be), it is that the theory of evolution is so broken that absolute belief in it, or allowing it to form your world view is equivalent to religion, more so than religions that are at least spiritual, or, like Christianity are historically reliable.
gnomesrule19 10 months ago
Actually understanding science does have an amazing effect on religious belief... But the fact that people leave your cult because they become educated says a lot about your cult and not about the people leaving. Just means they'd rather learn about the various abiogenesis hypotheses and not about a talking snake and magical fruit.
mymatryoshka 10 months ago
There is no bias towards evolution. There simply is no evidence for Intelligent Design. The fact that Ben spends the whole documentary repeating this lie makes me feel like he's really dishonest.
mymatryoshka 10 months ago
Malthus was a Christian btw
ZbocheneZviriatko 10 months ago
@Bill4Banco I really hate to burst your little bubble of hope but humans aren't perfect, to the advanced intelligent mindset, I think we are far from it. Even if it can be "attained", most likely humanity isn't going to get it anytime soon. Most likely candidate for the "perfect intelligence" would be a self-evolving artificial intelligence, similar to HAL9000.
lulz4KoKane 10 months ago
@Bill4Banco
When you get good, you also get bad/evil. In my opinion, having a sense of neutrality is just boring.
lulz4KoKane 11 months ago
And people would do well to distinguish between natural selection, a process which determines life based on survival in a given environment, and eugenics, a process which determines life through the actions of a group with a set of beliefs of what makes the ideal organism--a practice that goes so very much further back than the Nazis (you might remember it as the only historical fact at the beginning of the movie "300").
TaimaDjinn 11 months ago
Ben Stein's trolling of how Darwinism is synonymous with atheism shows that he's not concerned with science, he's alarmist about the evils of liberalism to which
science allegedly adduces people. That Ben Stein appears on Fox News surprises me far less.
TaimaDjinn 11 months ago
i feel very sorry for the man who has lost all hope and life in this documentary... You can clearly see that he feels a great emptiness in his heart and soul... I really hope he finds Jesus again...Please save him Jesus
heightboosting 11 months ago
Awful, dishonest film. I found the assertion that Darwinism is necessary to create Nazism deeply offensive. Putting aside the obvious 'Hitler was a confirmed Catholic' and the fact that most major religions preach that other peoples are inferior, something no scientist would ever say, the Spartans rolled babies down hills to weed out the weak - so it's belief in Zeus that led to Nazi death camps.
lozman67 11 months ago
What is interesting is that former religious believers who are scientist; when they came into contact with evolution or learned about it - they abandon their faith.
autobahn101driversed 1 year ago
@autobahn101driversed you then have to look at former atheist scientist who when observed how little real scientific eviidence for evolution became believers in a creator... Evolution claims do not uphold the scientific method.... They want you to believe that micro evolution became in to macro evolution, which has never been observed... Therefore its not scientifc and just pure speculation... to claim it to be a fact is a big fat lie
heightboosting 11 months ago
@heightboosting - I agree. Evolution is a lie.
autobahn101driversed 11 months ago
3:55 you can say religius wars are the majority of conflicks whale true. most cnflickts are started by extremest groups that are lead by people who have twisted and streached the core of there beliefe so they will go to war over it. only when everyone gose buy the originle docterain do we have peace and understanding even the koran. witch i do not read but am useing as an exsample only sais to declare a holy war if foriegners invade you it says nothing about starting wars in the name of alla.
sixwingproductions 1 year ago
This documentary is not awful as I thought it would be so far. Ben is showing both sides I guess.
jackbliss 1 year ago
@jackbliss How? His voice is dripping with sarcasm.
They're talking about evolution and its "bad philosophy". It's an attack through emotion. "I don't believe because I don't like it". That is ridiculous. Most of the atheists I know are actually quite happy and feel blessed for life.
What the hell does the last 1/2 of the movie have to do with evolution, biology, or science? The Holocaust analogy is heinous. Hitler got his ideas from a criminally superficial reading of Nietzsche not Darwin
Kruezoraxe 1 year ago 7
@Kruezoraxe Blessed with luck?
tonestar100 8 months ago
@tonestar100 Yes.
To quote Dawkins himself "You and I are quite grotesquely lucky to be alive. If you think about the different ways our genes could be permuted and all the things that had to happen in order for us to exist, we privileged to alive. And we should make the most of our time on this world."
And this includes me.
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
@Kruezoraxe What is there to be happy about knowing life has no meaning or purpose?
14sJakeB190 7 months ago
@14sJakeB190 When you come to the realization that your entire life is not owed to you, you see it as a gift in the truest sense of the word. Not a gift that god gave you, but a true gift. One you didn't earn and don't feel the need to pay anyone back. Add in the lack of any kind of afterlife, one begins to feel a true sense of awe and joy at having THIS life. When one truly understands how grotesquely lucky we are to be alive at all, life becomes indescribably beautiful.
Kruezoraxe 7 months ago
@Kruezoraxe Just an opinion. The facts remain that it is still meaningless, without inherent purpose.
I could care less about God one way or another. It's just not very happy to know that once we die it will be like we never lived at all. All our work, everything we have learned, loved, and experienced will all ultimately be for nothing. It isn't very exciting news. Once you die all reality and everything that ever existed ceases to exist for you. Sadly it's just another hard cold fact.
14sJakeB190 7 months ago
@14sJakeB190 And that's just fine for me and so many other atheists I know. For us, one life is more than good enough. I don't feel I am owed an afterlife and thus I do my best to put my personal meaning into this one. This life is yours. If you don't think life has a meaning, then it's time to make one.
And all your work will not be meaningless. If you worked to leave the world better than you found it, then those results will stay behind in the people whom you helped be better
Kruezoraxe 7 months ago
@Kruezoraxe But do you truly realize that once you die, it will be as if you never lived even once? I don't know if many people can even fathom it. It only will have meaning for you. It won't actually exist outside of your own mind. You might as well believe in a "god" because both would only be in your head.
It will only be temporary. Human civilization is bound to die out one day. We will all be forgotten, and humanity itself might as well have never existed. We're only biological computers.
14sJakeB190 7 months ago
@Kruezoraxe Yeah, but, even if there is no afterlife would it be better to live as there were. We do not know all things - just what if there was something after all.
4444Werty 1 month ago
@Kruezoraxe I sorta like his sarcasm. Evolution is just an effort to explain how we got to where we are, not how life started. But as you can see even Dawkins says we were probably seeded here.
Most of the movie has to do with freedom of thought wich is threatening science and (more pertinently near the end of the movie) is revealed through interviews with prominent scientists and philosophers. Also, did you forget in the second half he interviews a very staunch atheist Richard Dawkins?
4444Werty 4 weeks ago
@Kruezoraxe Evolution is just an effort to explain how we got to where we are, not how life started. But as you can see even Dawkins says we were probably seeded here.
Most of the movie has to do with freedom of thought wich is threatening science and (more pertinently near the end of the movie) is revealed through interviews with prominent scientists and philosophers. Also, did you forget in the second half he interviews a very staunch atheist Richard Dawkins? Hitler's method was eugenics!
4444Werty 4 weeks ago
@4444Werty No. This movie is pure propaganda. Many of the scientists he interviewed accused him of quote-mining and misrepresenting them. The problems that occurred with that famous ID paper occurred because the person responsible pushed the paper through to publication without peer review which is despicable.
The interview with Dawkins was as rife with quote-mining and misrepresentation as it gets. Dawkins actually thought it was so terribly done that he was amused by the cheap editing.
Kruezoraxe 4 weeks ago
@4444Werty And the Hitler analogy is just so terribly done it's sad. The idea that evolution leads to Nazism is fallacious to the nth degree. And even if evolution did lead to believing other people were inferior, that would mean nothing to an academic. Either evolution did happen or it didn't. It did by the way.
The name says it all. No intelligence allowed. For the film makers and the audience.
Kruezoraxe 4 weeks ago
@Kruezoraxe Never heard these problems. The ID paper author may have done so to prevent tampering - I don't know. But it was clearly an arbitrary action on the university's part. Only a few clips are out of context. There appears to be no editing on the interviews and yes, evolutionary thought could lead to a rapid out come of survival of the fittest.
4444Werty 4 weeks ago
@4444Werty The ID paper had nothing to do with academic suppression of ID. It had to do with not following the rules of peer-review which is the foundation for science.
Quote mining
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Kruezoraxe 4 weeks ago
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@Kruezoraxe I still think it may have been because the ID paper threatened some evolutionary principle and it was a reaction by some intolerant faculty member. I don't know much about peer reviewing, but I don't see if the paper was logical and made no assumptions - it should have been fine if the author chose not to have it peer reviewed, for some reason that was not mentioned.
4444Werty 3 weeks ago
@Kruezoraxe And about the quote mining all the clips in the film are all conclusive except a few. Btw I looked at the quote mining video by Dawkins and it is pretty much the same format as was in the film. I don't see the inconsistency.
4444Werty 3 weeks ago
@4444Werty Expelled made the argument that Dawkins considered ID a real possibility. He doesn't.
They make him sound inconsistent. He isn't.
They make the argument that Darwin was a racist. He wasn't.
Finally, this movie can lay siege to evolution all it wants (albeit pathetically) but at the end of the day, it has to prove that ID is worth pursuing. But it's not. I would like to see ONE biologist, not motivated by religion, who has looked at the evidence and believes in ID.
Kruezoraxe 3 weeks ago
@4444Werty And I can't stress this enough. The social darwinism idea is so fallacious it is insulting to human reason.
Nazism is social evolution.
You believe in evolution? Then you must think the Nazis were right.
There is a reason only scientists are allowed to do science.
Kruezoraxe 3 weeks ago
@jackbliss Yes saying that Darwinism leads to Nazism is very fair....
trippinlikegod 1 year ago
False religion is an enemy of God and the Bible. Jesus said: "...the truth will set you free." John 8:32
People do not know this truth. Humans are created to live forever on earth. - Psalm 37:29
zprodigalson 1 year ago 2
@zprodigalson Biblical quotes will get you Nowhere.
The Bible... LIKE ALL HOLY BOOKS was written by people. Your faith is not in a god, it is in the people who wrote that book. You're hoping that they're telling the truth and that they actually heard from something supernatural. Just like Muslims have faith in those who wrote the Koran etc.
All "holy" books are written by people.
I put my trust in facts and evidence that modern day people find through science,
I don't trust ancient men.
AaronHubler 1 year ago
@AaronHubler Yes. The Bible was indeed "written" by men, but it was also "inspired" by God. People have to really study it to come to this realization: Any intelligent human can write a book that only other intelligent human could understand (such as a legal doc or medical doc), but to write a book that only humble-hearted people could understand, requires the work of God, and the Bible is such a book! Everlasting life is a precious gift open to everyone, but not forced on everyone.
zprodigalson 1 year ago
EUGENICS AND DARWINISM ARE NOT THE SAME ,EUGENICS IS THE ABSENCE OF NATURAL SELECTION ITS NOT NATURAL IF IT IS MAN-MADE GENOCIDE
sllimthg 1 year ago
@sllimthg Hitler used social darwinism which is the process of selecting certain traits to improve the selected subject.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 1 year ago
NAZIS SHOULD OF KNOWN ALWAYS LEADS TO HITLER....FOR FUCKS SAKE
sllimthg 1 year ago
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Hence today that I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the almighty creator by defending myself against the Jew I am fighting for the work of the lord"
Adulf Hitler
Mein Kampf, Chapter II
iamterryfc1 1 year ago
It's interesting that the guy who thinks that ID is "boring", also believes that there is no meaning in life.
Jesrael1986M 1 year ago
@onemarilynfan I agree with you totally... i've had many debates on this subject. I believe i live a very moral life. I am a vegetarian, I do good deeds and help people but i did not get my morals from the bible. I am not sure why christians seem to think that morality would suffer if everyone was atheist.
Stevil3113 1 year ago
Religious people are not always moral... AT ALL. Some of the most nasty people ever were and are extremely religious.
Stevil3113 1 year ago
@Stevil3113 I just watched a debate on cspan,with some moron and Christopher Hitchens. The other guy was saying atheism is immoral and poisons everything.WTF!? Like you have to believe in god, to have morals?I know A LOT of 'christians' who are mean and nasty ppl, and they always start their judgmental comments off by saying 'I'm a christian" like its ok to say whatever shit you want, as long as you are a christian! Arent they NOT supposed to judge others? (con't)
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
@Stevil3113 The shit that pisses me off the most is this, they treat religion like a buffet, picking and choosing the stuff they WANT to follow,and ignoring the others.I'll bet ya that 99.9% of the 'christians' here all do some form of work on Sunday,they look at men or women with lust,do they pluck out their eye when doing so? Do u think god(if he WAS real) would respect them more than I b/c they are hypocrites, and I stand behind my beliefs. At least I have the guts to say so!
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
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What a boring voice.
dirtydonki 1 year ago
useless eating...oh boy sign me up.
hoenengh 1 year ago
Heh, heh, there you go...Stalin waiving.
hoenengh 1 year ago
POOR CREATIONIST VICTIMS. Galileo was found guilty of heresy, having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions. He was sentenced to imprisonment by Inquisition and was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.
INTOTHEGRINDER 1 year ago
Survival of the fittest is a concept that evolution relies on... Hitler sought to enforce that among people.... Religion does not cause death.... Is religion alive and it kills people by itself? is a knife evil because it is sharp and can cause harm? or is it people who foolish and selfish who maybe influenced by ideas or reilgions but in the end it is still a man's choice to kill, if you can't survive the attack then you aren't the fittest and you deserve to die... Welcome to evolution(hitler)
StarRonKid 1 year ago
@StarRonKid YOU MORON!!! Hitler was a devout catholic! Stop trying to mix evolution and hitler together! Youre probably that asshole at the teabag rally holding the obama with a hitler mustache sign!
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
@onemarilynfan have you not heard hitlers speech ?! and calling me names isn't going to help it just shows how narrow minded you are! hitler clearly speaks about making the ultimate people aka the survival of the fittest which is why hitler killed disabled people and mentally challenged people! No one truly knows how this world began so therefore Macro evolution is a reiligion because it requires faith. If this is truly how you are going to act why should i listen?
StarRonKid 1 year ago
@StarRonKid I can usually have conversations with ppl that I dont agree with. I love to debate,but when someone doesnt even listen to anything,it makes it hard.I am an atheist but I have read the bible and I studied many religions before coming to a decision. I don;t think that makes me closed minded. I dont run on blind faith. I like things that make sense,not things that are irrational.
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
@onemarilynfan That's what makes sense to YOU. And that is fine; everyone is allowed their own opinion. But the problem comes from people who are so intollerant that they can't allow someone else to believe something other than what they believe. If believing in a certain thing or idea gives a person hope (and as long as they aren't slaughtering millions in the process) what does it hurt to let them believe it?
theGoob713 1 year ago
@theGoob713 Thats exactly how I FEEL! The problem I'm speaking of is when I am berated for MY beliefs! I hear everything,like "When you are on your death bed, you will be calling for god" and I hear a lot worse too. My point here is this,I HAVE read the bible,and studied, and still do,the history of Jesus and his time. I like to learn about history,I am pretty much a nerd when it comes to this subject,but ppl think Im some devil worshiper b/c science makes more sense to ME.
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
@onemarilynfan I don't have a problem with that. I don't think that you should judge someone because of their chosen Faith, be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Athiest, Shinto, or any other faith. The only problem I have with 'religion' is when people use their religion as an excuse to cause harm. Then I believe that they have strayed from their faith and chosen to twist it into something toxic to achieve their own ends. THAT is when I have a problem with it.
theGoob713 1 year ago
@theGoob713 And I CAN understand that if someone, lets say is in jail for life, and they turn to god,b/c they have nothing else to believe in,I GET IT, if it makes you feel good, fine. I am happy that ppl can follow something, and have faith in it,if it doesnt hurt anyone else! The problem is that a lot of times, it DOES hurt ppl. So many wars (most) are b/c of opposing religious views, I dont get it,isnt the rule, you cant judge anyone,only god can, right. They follow only what they want to!
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
@onemarilynfan Basically what I'm saying is that I think it would be very nice if people would stop trying to get me to change my belief in God by saying that it is stupid or illogical. I don't go around telling people that my doctrine of faith says that if you aren't saved you're going to hell. It would just be nice if they'd show me the same personal courtesy.
theGoob713 1 year ago
@theGoob713 Man, I am not trying to get you to change ur mind,you got me confused w/other ppl here! I have no problem w/ur beliefs! I have read the bible, used to go to church,just had a problem w/all the ?'s I had unanswered. I found my answers in science,when they tried to tell me the earth was 6000 yrs old,that was it for me!I would ask why do u pray if everything happens the way god wants it to,the 'everything happens for a reason'thing,then why ask god for things or help?But thats ME,not U!
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
@onemarilynfan Woah, totally not what I was saying. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I thought you were trying to change my beliefs. I was just stating that I've encountered some intolerant ass-hats who've tried to get me to do just that and it irritates me. I was NOT making that comment about you, but about the contingent(sp) of people who cannot sleep at night without knowing that EVERYONE believes what they believe. Sorry again.
theGoob713 1 year ago
@theGoob713 Good, I feel better! Yes, I feel the world would be a much better place if there were no religion, BUT I dont try to make ppl feel bad or stupid b/c they believe. I recently watched a debate on cspan,with C.Hitchens and some other guy,he said atheism was the root of all evil,and Hitchens said religion was,it was VERY interesting!THAT does make me angry,when ppl say atheist are like Hitler,even tho Hitler was not an atheist! Its ignorance about subjects that angers me!
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
@onemarilynfan :) Glad we cleared up that little (or not so little) misunderstanding. Personally, I believe that you should be able to believe whatever you want as long as it doesn't endanger the lives of others. If you're an athiest that's fine with me; I can easily carry on a conversation with you without resorting to telling you that 'you're wrong'. I don't think that that is the way a Christian should talk to other people; it's rude. And I've NEVER said that atheists are like Hitler.
theGoob713 1 year ago
@theGoob713 I made some comments somewhere about Obama,being as I am a liberal,and to speak about the ignorance thing,some person made a fake channel with my pic all over it,saying where I lived,all my info,putting on there I was a racist and hated Obama,my kids are mixed,this pisses me off. But it just goes to show,some ppl are IGNORANT,cant debate b/c they dont get it! I guess I am too old for this shit, I am an ancient 35 years!
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
@onemarilynfan WTF???? That's messed up?! I guess that just goes to show how ignorant and petty people can be. I'm sorry that happened to you. :( Lol, yeah, I guess you don't have time for that kind of petty crap, being that old, lol jk!
theGoob713 1 year ago
@theGoob713 I thought this would interest you. My 17 yo did her last high school paper. The teacher always quotes the bible in class. My kid has chosen her beliefs on her own,truly b/c my 11yo has chosen to believe in god. I let them choose.But anyway,the topic was 'should religion be taught in school,why or why not?' well obviously she chose the latter. She has made straight a's in english for many years,she did a good job. Well, this teacher gave her a D! Now I cant prove it, but I (con't)
onemarilynfan 9 months ago
@theGoob713 really believe it is because of the teachers beliefs. And this is one of my problems w/ religion. If a TEACHER cant keep her feelings out of it,what hope is there for ppl to ever agree or debate with some common sense? She made the points about there being way too many religions to properly teach one or the other in a public school,and many other valid points.No mistakes, nothing,and a D!? This is her senior year,it goes w/o saying, I'm pretty pissed.What are your thoughts?
onemarilynfan 9 months ago
@onemarilynfan I'm sorry; what happened to your kid??!!!
theGoob713 5 months ago
what a load a shit. What about the crusades? The nazi never shouted FOR ATHIESTISM when they killed people most WHERE religous. So shut the fuck up Stien Hitler is crazy to say that an Athiest soceity is like that, why dont you take a look at Denmak 83% athiest or something like that. They dont seem to be killing large amounts of people weird right?
615Deathdealer 1 year ago
Here we go... Fuck you Ben Stein, comparing Darwinism with Nazism. Racial superiority as a basis for evolution and Darwin's scientific research?? That's about as low a blow as you can take.
Leveler0636 1 year ago
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@Leveler0636
"Fuck you Ben Stein, comparing Darwinism with Nazism. Racial superiority as a basis for evolution and Darwin's scientific research?? That's about as low a blow as you can take."
Ugly, but if Bradford and Hill have any respectability, the causal association between the two is undeniably true.
Calenfeyn41 1 year ago
@Leveler0636 it's about what's being done to other alternatives to evolution you fuck
Burninatorxzy2443 1 year ago
@Burninatorxzy2443 Could you reword that with punctuation and proper grammar and stuff? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. They give you like, 400 characters to use to put your opinions across. Feel free to use them.
Leveler0636 1 year ago
@Leveler0636 Listen to the words of Bill ''Don't regulate guns or drugs. Regulate religion.'' how exactly do you''regulate religion'' ? What about the people who have faith and don't want to ''regulate''? MAKE them do it? Force them? Send them to prison like you would a gunman or a drug dealer? Kill them perhaps?
Don't you see how this philosophy is destructive? Do a little research on Hitler's ''ethnic cleansing''.
emnity33 1 year ago
@emnity33 "Regulate" religion means to keep its influence out of politics, law, education and medicine, it has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing.
Annulable 1 year ago
@emnity33 I'll tell you how you regulate religion - if your religion teaches; murder in the name of your god, rape, infanticide, intollerance of other races, certain genders or lifestyles or anything completely debunked by science (like the Earth is 6000 - 10000 years old) it should be amended. Take away their tax exemption status if they don't. That would work for pretty much everyone, wouldn't it?
Leveler0636 1 year ago
@emnity33 Also, concerning ethnic cleasning - Darwin referenced a pure form of Eugenics, which is basically quality control of a species. The reason humans with disabilities can survive comfortably is because of our technology. Darwin was simply stating that in the natural world, these would be the slower and weaker animals that would become food for predators. That's it. If Hitler took it the next step by trying to wipe out a race or religion, it's because he was a bigot, not an evolutionist.
Leveler0636 1 year ago
@Leveler0636 Thank YOU!!! You said it much better than I could! Is this person confusing evolution with racism?
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
@emnity33 I'm sorry, but I'm having a difficult time understanding exactly what you are trying to say here. The man who said that we needed to regulate religion was not Bill Stein. If you could explain (without getting agitated, as I am not challenging your opinion) I would greatly appreciate it.
theGoob713 1 year ago
@Leveler0636 ITS NOT COMPARING, ITS A RECOGNITION OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT THEORY AND HISTORICAL EVENT TO NOT SEE AND ACCEPT THAT IS TO REMAIN IGNORANT.
StarRonKid 1 year ago
@StarRonKid See response to emnity33. The comparison being made has a false pretense. It's logically flawed to accept that comparison.
Leveler0636 1 year ago
Hear me now. God is lying to you. He doesn't want you to know about evolution, because then you would be like him, with your eyes open, knowing of good and evil.
philnoll 1 year ago
@philnoll You sound like the serpent in the garden of eden ;)
Popz1992 1 year ago
@Popz1992 That's exactly right. Some would argue the serpent was telling the truth. In fact this idea is not uncommon. Google "medical symbol." It is two snakes in a double helix formation ascending to Godhood. The implications are profound.
philnoll 1 year ago
@Popz1992 lets apply your theory to our world. Do we become like God after our childhood innocence dissipates? I seemed much happier when i was a kid when i didn't know how evil and horrid our world actually is. As a parent, i would protect my child's innocent mind as long as i could. Adam and eve likewise had this same childhood innocence, their heavenly father wanted to keep the knowledge of evil away from them so they can live a better life.
Popz1992 1 year ago
Dawkings is the most evil man I have ever heard speak I hear the hissing of the devil in his words.
thesteroidbeast 1 year ago
@thesteroidbeast and i hear the hiss of the devil in your voice..... see how ridiculously unprovable both statements are??
keep making subjective, irrational judgments on strangers if it makes you happy tho....
scottpastry 1 year ago
Not all evolutionists are Atheists. Here are some scientists who believe that God made evolution......
Bob Baaker
Keith Miller
Kenneth Miller
Theodosius Dobshansky
oldblubblub 1 year ago
Ya the nazis were fucking catholic primary
darkdragonsoul99 1 year ago
Bill Mayer's observation is true back centuries ago. Not today. What is the biggest promoter today of death & destruction? Greedy corporations. Greed is the motivator for war. "No one ever got rich by working hard, but, U can get rich by getting a lot of ppl to work hard for you. Peonage is against the law, but, not against the law to volunteer into it. You volunteered into the tax system but you can't get out of it, they tell you. BullScat! George Gordon got out of it. And so can you.
ElShadaiLives 1 year ago
this is the worst thing i have ever watched! give me my hour back Ben Stein!!
111steven 1 year ago
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible qualities have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, both His everlasting power and Mightiness, for them to be without excuse,
ChrisnStarry 1 year ago
Shame that Ben Stein didn't explore the massacre of tens of millions of Christians by the Bolsheviks.
belwaters 1 year ago
i love how all atheist think religion cases the most deaths, when Stalin, Mao, and Khmer Rouge killed more people than all the religious wars combined. the thing is religion does kill. but you kill more people if you are atheist and believe all humans are animals. abortion was legalized because evolution said fetus' are no more than underdeveloped monkeys and fish.
atheism kills.
theREALiceveela 1 year ago
@theREALiceveela
You assume that all atheists are identical. The only thing that you can absolutely conclude atheists have in common is the fact that they don't believe in god. This is different than a religion where I can read the holy text and conclude what that religious group is forced to follow. So, good job generalizing all of us.
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
@TheSeventhSon Atheists don't believe in God. Something like that is easy to generalize. Feel free to read the new testament, that which I am "forced" to follow. I believe you would find it a very good guideline to follow, but, oh wait. You don't believe in God so you couldn't even consider it. Sigh* Oh well, so much for openminded people.
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
@MartinLuther444
That's one characteristic. Assuming that all atheists are totalitarian dictators is completely different. Oh, you believe it's a good guideline? Too bad it stems from the Old Testament which is a book full of murder, slavery, and homophobia. I have read the New Testament. According to you, I'm not open minded because I don't agree with it. Yes, that makes sense. I'm not open minded because I don't agree with you. High five for that logic.
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
@TheSeventhSon You know, I hear that all the time from Darwinists. They read the bible with from a severely prejudice standpoint, excepting only what they view as negative and completely ignoring blatant positives. Secondly, if you believe in Darwinism, you cannot believe in God, which is the entire goal of satan. (A Trip into the Supernatural, good documentry) If you truly want to discuss the specific issues in question (murder, slavery and homophobia), email me at martinluther444@gmail.com
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
@MartinLuther444
I used to be a Christian. I used to blindly reject evolution like every other Christian. So, good job making assumptions.
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
@TheSeventhSon But now you're a Darwinist, so you don't believe in God. I don't have to assume, everyone knows that a Darwinist does not believe in a God, or at least thinks that God is just some being out there in the universe that doesn't do anything. Btw, if you had actually watched this video, you can see that we don't "blindly reject evolution" (talk about assumptions!), that evolution is severely flawed in several points, points that you "blindly" ignore. Btw, plz email on issues in ques.
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
@MartinLuther444
I'm not a "Darwinist". There are plenty of biologists that believe in god. This video doesn't once analyze anything factual about evolution. Please tell me how evolution is severely flawed.
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
@TheSeventhSon First of all, I am not a biologist and do not waste my time researching darwinism. With that said, from what I have learned from this video, the complexity of the cell is far to great than coincidence could ever produce. Everything about the cell points to intelligent design. Not only that, but if it were possible for life to form randomly, the chances of that happening are billions to one. The video points you to the core of darwinism. Where did the first cell come from? Factual.
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
@MartinLuther444
You openly admit to knowing nothing about "Darwinism" and then claim that it's wrong? U trollin', brosef?
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
@TheSeventhSon Lol. "openly admit to knowing nothing about 'Darwinism". I said I do not waste my time RESEARCHING darwinism. Everyone knows a little about darwinism, as we are all FORCED to learn it at school, no? Btw, why do you keep attacking me? (U trollin', brosef?, good job making assumptions ect) Why not simply discuss the issues at hand? And quit taking everything I say out of context, it only makes you look stupid. I'm sure your not, just giving you a friendly tip.
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
@MartinLuther444
Defensive. When you say that you haven't taken the time to research a topic, then you are implying that you don't know much about that topic. You can't know about something without researching it. I never attacked you. You're just not making much of an argument for yourself.
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
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@TheSeventhSon "And quit taking everything I say out of context, it only makes you look stupid. I'm sure your not, just giving you a friendly tip." Ok, I'll admit it, in high school I "researched" darwinism. Good enough for you?
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
@TheSeventhSon Btw, the I-N-G inflection indicates present tense.
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
@MartinLuther444
And it still implies that you haven't researched the topic.
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
Never get between a fool and his folly.
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
@MartinLuther444
You're pretty foolish to think that a high school class means that you know an entire subject. An undergraduate degree hardly provides you with enough knowledge about a given topic. A high school class certainly will not. So, as I said, you admit to not knowing much about evolution and then jump around to abiogenesis topics.
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
@TheSeventhSon evolution is flawed because there are too many missing links and no proof of any transition species between primates and humans. plus there is no explanation for the origin of human intelligence or the huge loss of muscle mass from primates to humans. humans are not physically suited to live in the wild, therefore, they could not have evolved from the wild. see Lloyd Pye's intervention theory on YouTube. it points out many faults and missing links in darwinism.
stefanmuth 1 year ago
@stefanmuth
Your claim about missing links is flawed. The rest of your argument relies on god of the gapes and a lot of poor information. Keep it up!
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
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@stefanmuth "evolution is flawed because there are too many missing links"
wow that always makes me laugh. you do realise that if we fill 100 of your 'gaps' that 100 new gaps form???
"no proof of any transition species between primates and humans"
you wont find any transition from primates to humans because humans ARE primates!!
"plus there is no explanation for the origin of human intelligence"
its called the brain.
scottpastry 1 year ago
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@stefanmuth "humans are not physically suited to live in the wild, therefore, they could not have evolved from the wild."
tell that to the many tribes around the world that STILL live in the wild.
i hope the video you reference is half as entertaining as your comments here.....
scottpastry 1 year ago
dont pick side, dont let the goverment and the system set you up against another human beeing. we are all wrong, all thing we beliewe are thrue now is wrong soon. so look in forward dont look back.
TheNorgood 1 year ago
Absolutely agree with the bearded scientist on his knitting needle/weekend activity analogy
Mister0Alexi 1 year ago
Provine has to be the most nihilistic, somber professor I've seen. I would become emo if I took his class.
He's right if evolution is true there is no free will, so that mean Darwinist have no choice to believe there theory.
vizion24 1 year ago
It seems that science to these people is there god.
There is only one God and that's Jesus. Science can't give you eternal life and save you from your sins.
vizion24 1 year ago
@vizion24 oh, you've restored my faith in Jesus! Thank you! I'll add the virgin mary to my vishnu and shiva shrine in the corner. They also have superpowers!
VeritasTruthEmet 1 year ago
The only way to take away religion is to kill millions of people. And from the hatred these pigs have, I wouldn't be surprised if they do. They refuse intelligent design but say aliens exist and life exists on other worlds who could have easily advanced to higher levels than we are aware of. I believe that God hides from them so he can let them find him later and be ashamed. LOL
TheLaunchingPad 1 year ago
@TheLaunchingPad The funny thing is, there is no evidence for alien visitation to this world, and there is no evidence that we were genetically created by aliens. Dawkins wants to say that intelligent design could be true if aliens did it, but not God? This is pure confusion. Dawkins has about as much evidence for alien designers as he does for God. It is clear he just hates God. That is a curse on your soul. He who wrongs God, wrongs his own soul.
GutsBrandedSwordsman 1 year ago
@GutsBrandedSwordsman ---We have evidence brutha, it's just suppressed. The Mayan God pictograph clearly depicts a spaceship. There are pilots on record discussing vehicles flying at astronomical speeds. The problem is that birds, meteors, bugs and fraud gets popularity. I saw a UFO hovering silently over Tecktronix, a huge 23 building microchip company in Beaverton, OR. It hovered silently and had wings like an x-mas tree and was lighted so it was probably military. I almost crashed my car.
TheLaunchingPad 1 year ago
@TheLaunchingPad Your UFO was a fallen angel. They can shape shift to. I e see "things" in the sky appear and disappear all the time. In any case your mayan calandar pictographs are B.S. propaganda, and those pilots never saw , any "vehicles". I suggest you drive safe and watch the road.
GutsBrandedSwordsman 1 year ago
@GutsBrandedSwordsman -You're so smart! I would take your word over the pilots and documented flight logs throughout history in several countries.
TheLaunchingPad 1 year ago
@TheLaunchingPad I already told you, they may have thought they saw vehicles, but the ufo vehicles they thought they saw were in reality fallen angels. I do not intend to say that the piolets and their flight logs lie, just that what they percieve as "ufo's" or "vehicles" are not actually those things, but fallen angels working lying signs and wonders. I recommend you watch a video regarding this topic. Watch these vids.. Pt 1 The real story behind Aliens, Ufos, Demons, Illuminati & Satanism
GutsBrandedSwordsman 1 year ago
@GutsBrandedSwordsman -Not all Angels are fallen. This is your blind-spot. There is a vast possibilty that many of these angels/aliens are good in nature. You cannot discern between them so don't act like you know everything about them. I happen to know that Angels often do things that are out of character in order to help mankind. Is the Angel of Death a bad angel? You get what I am saying? I have seen your videos on this and it's the same crap...they say all angels/aliens are Satan. Prove it!
TheLaunchingPad 1 year ago
They do not say ALL angels are fallen, only the ones causing the bizarre occerences in the sky. It leads to deception, which is not of God. I respect that you have watched the videos regarding this topic. What people are seeing are lying signs and wonders. The angel of death good? Well, I know that in the new heaven and new earth there will be no more death, for death itself shall pass away. I understand your question, and I do not claim all angels are bad. Just 1/3 of them...
GutsBrandedSwordsman 1 year ago
@GutsBrandedSwordsman -You are right in fearing the possibility of these lights being part of a deception, even if they do not "say" anything, but there is also the possibility that in space their are different technologies and beings, much like we have luminescent creatures at great depths in the sea and we cannot believe how they survive the pressure and cold but they do. You think God makes animals and he wouldn't make aliens... laughable. Is he not the creator of All Things? Look around you.
TheLaunchingPad 1 year ago
@GutsBrandedSwordsman -I also wish to address the 1/3 fallen angel remark. It is not biblical. I think you get this from Rev 12:4. However, this story is describing stars, NOT Angels. If you read further in verses 7-9 you will see that Michael kicks out the devil and his angels at a later time so this is not the writer being redundant, the stars are just that.. stars. This is a common error with Christians and biblical metaphor. the Dragon is a destroyer of Stars cast down by Michael. Solid.
TheLaunchingPad 1 year ago
@TheLaunchingPad Even if there were aliens, does it really matter to us? If God wished us to know of such things, why wouldn't He reveal them? This also applys to the number of angels who fell. Does it matter? Satan rules over them and the amount of demons numbers, at the very least, well into the many thousands. You should read the book of enoch.
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
@MartinLuther444 -It ALL matters. When we understand the universe we live in, we understand God better. His handiwork becomes apparent and the deception of the darkside is revealed to us so we can resist. Of course, It is better to dwell on God than the universe but how can you ignore the universe? We are destined to meet angels as well as God and there is a vast world around us that we can't even see because of dogma and human filters... remove your rose-colored lenses and live!
TheLaunchingPad 1 year ago
@TheLaunchingPad I understand the world all to well. The earth is doomed. Thousands of years of sin has a very negative effect on the people and the planet. I'm not denying that there could be aliens out there, I'm just saying it should not be in our top ten of concerns right now. Your personal salvation is much more important.
MartinLuther444 1 year ago
Oh my G-d PLEASE DON'T.... oh that hurt, when he said he was Jewish I was mortified.... I am a Jew, we are NOT insane and MOST of us are ATHEISTS! FUCK YOU BEN STEIN YOU FUCKING MORON! You are not smart enough to understand Judaism, do NOT represent us as if we were stuck in the bronze age, for fuck's sake. THERE IS NO G-D, now go home you bloody moron! And yes, my entire family were in the camps during the Holocaust. We are not a stupid people, Ben Stein is one of the few exceptions. Fuck!
VeritasTruthEmet 1 year ago
@VeritasTruthEmet
Apparently you, VeritasTruthEmet, are another 'exception' and dwell on the 'stupid' side. But anyway, I like your post here...your inclusion of qualifiers, 'I'm one-of-the-crowd' claim, and expletives really won me over!
camp44mag 1 year ago
@camp44mag I'm glad to have pleased you ;) Have a nice day!
VeritasTruthEmet 1 year ago