Wait Cyclonus is with Megatron. And Cyclonus is a reformat of Starscream from Unicron. Yet Megatron and Starscream got reformatted together at the same time, and Megs even became Galvatron... The hell?
Meh, this is alright. I find it kind of hilarious that Optimus Prime has to say the whole plot in just the very beginning of this. And I don't really like his design. Although Bumblebee's is pretty cool. I hate the quality and the dialogue.
I would prefer something like an adaptation of Simon Furmon's comics. That would be awesome :D
Actually, in regards to your comment about Optimus Prime, I noticed that although he has the same colourings as G1 Prime (including blue lower legs with the rear truck wheels) in robot mode, his altmode is entirely red, including the area that his legs should transform from (if we take his usual transformation scheme into account).
And yeah... some of the dialogue was... off, but I don't really think they were aiming for a great script here.
Well, it's not the coloring that bugs me. It's they try to mix the G1 look with the look of his movie counterpart. Too many wires sticking in his joints, in my opinion.
I think the wiring on his torso is a bit too much personally. I mean, even the movie Prime had a few parts of metal plating covering that area. Here (except for the truck grill) it's just all wires.
Still doesn't look that bad to me, just that they could've done a little better.
Baby steps. First establish that the new generation of filmgoers and would-be TF fans can appreciate a more classic plot and visual aesthetic, THEN bring in Furman as the story consultant. *lol*
i would say it looks more like G2 comic book style. (1993) then TFs where drawn with more wires, the alternate modes maybe based on the new movie's BUT G2 laser OPtimus Prime had the same mode!
I've seen images of G2 (never read it) and I can safely say that (in my opinion) there is more of a movie influence here (the fact this was released close to the movie sequel would also support this as well).
It isn't just the alt modes or the more complex look; it's the fact that Bumblebee has 'door wings', Megatron has claws and an aerial mode and that he forms his fusion cannon with both arms.
oh right, i mean the wire look was first seen in G2 so naturally thats the first thing i think off. i see what you mean.
but this is not the first or only animated short they made. ''they always looked real to me'' was one off them, teasing TF fans with a true TF live-action movie.
G2 is a wonderful comic book series, maybe my favorite, i just with the G2 show was something like it. it would have been a perfect TF show for the 1990s
If explosions and fights are all a robot movie needs, how would a fan-friendly storyline impede on that? I seem to recall there being quite a lot of explosions and fights in not only the original cartoon, but every other show to succeed it. ;P
i love the design, more rounded out parts, i was expacting them to look like B$ but they turn into TF/G1 looking TFs amazing.
and no TFs could have been remained mostly the same, perhaps a design update with a bit more detail, and combine the best if the original and Beastwars plus the best animation of today and you would have an good 21 century TF show.
storywise a mix between those shows off the past and great shows of today like Avatar.
ive seen 10 episodes so far of animated. the reason why not every episode is because i have become lazy with DVD box sets :P, i am collecting all shows now. i have 6 of the 13 shows made. but for now i see animated as a typical show of 2009, some parts are done very well and 'cool' but other parts are a little bit to kiddy and simplistic (magic key) plus the animation style its not really what a 2009 TF show should be (can be) it stands in Avatar's shadow. say dint we have a debate once? :)
If you can get past the animation style Animated is one of the strongest Transformers shows ever to be made on virtually all fields and filled to the truckload with nostalgia.
The series is notable in my eyes for having my favourite version of Megatron to date.
well the animation style is a big obstacle for Animated. i showed the first few min to a non-fan -never saw anything TF- we see the G1 intro and she is looking then we see the animated characters and her first reaction is ''what happened?! that first part looked great this is childish (...) i cant take this seriously'' then i off cource explained what that first part was and she was surprised it was from the 80s. (i showed her because she -like me- loves animated shows)
Alot of people did the exact same thing when the first images of Animated were released, but upon viewing Botcon footage, people cheered. And when the series was finally released, most people that complained purely based on first impressions did a complete 180'.
hey i agree here, but not everyone is that open minded. when Beastwars started i was completely sceptical about the hole beastmode and the way they looked. it was the storylines and characters that won me over and BW is now one of my fav shows of all time. im open to Animated as a TF fan but alot of people will not be. just ask the guy that posted this video. (hey Bob :)
but it has to be said, the person i showed the clip found the 25 year old animation look better.
'but it has to be said, the person i showed the clip found the 25 year old animation look better.'
At a glance, G1 is more detailed and realistic, but as a whole, Animated has better animation I feel (with the exception of the 1986 movie). The simplified style allows for a much more consistent show, with less mistakes present on the characters and much more fluid animation.
after just 10 episodes (maybe not fair) i have to say Animated has a number of things that holds it back. the Autobots are more like children. problems are solved with a magic key, the animation look ruins any realism (when say Spike falls of a cliff i can believe he could die or get wounded, but this show is to cartoony for that) the show seems to follow character dynamics of Teen Titans, and next to Beastwars, G1 and Avatar it just feels like a 'little show' but Megatron is a highlight.
How? Bumblebee and Bulkhead are meant to be young bots and Optimus is younger than usually portrayed, but 'children' is stretching it quite a bit (especially when you take Ratchet into account).
'problems are solved with a magic key'
And this key is used less and less as the series goes on.
'the animation look ruins any realism (when say Spike falls of a cliff i can believe he could die or get wounded, but this show is to cartoony for that)'
I'm sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree here. The Humans in G1 were shown in an almost superhuman fashion in what they could do or survive.
And in Animated, the Decepticons are far deadlier in comparison to the Autobots than they have ever been.
I would also like to point out that despite coming back, Optimus dies in the first series parter.
take the way Spike and Sari are animated. Spike looks like an animated human, but Sari looks like an puppet with a baloon head. now because of this i believe Spike could die. and Sari sould just fall off a cliff and hold up a sign that says ''i have a Bo Bo''
its like Batman the animated series Batman and Bug Bunny. if Batman fell down with his Batwing he would die, Bugs would just step on the brake and the plane would stop in mid air.
its a very typical show made in 2009. it looks very 'cartoon network' a pity because in all other TF shows TF had its own animated (ironic) style. more realistic i would say. even a sense of 3disme (made up a word here! :P)
Animated looks like Teen Titans/Dexters Lab. next to G1/BW (to name two) Ani looks very cartoony. and in atmosphere that does hurt the show (RE:10 eps!)
in a 'cartoon' no one dies and is light harted. a ''animated series'' is basically a 2d tv show.
'Except atmosphere is not purely based on appearance'
true, but it does hurt any show if it was used wrong. if Terminator was done with robot-frogs people may pass it up. like they did with Animated.even if that is wrong or not.
'And in Animated you have characters that are killed off and ones with deep backstories'
...if true the animation may indeed be wrong for this show.
Well, yes, you are. You're describing it as a typical kids show would be describing it as having no danger, no plot and one-dimensional chracters. Hell, I'm sorry to say it, but G1 was more guilty of that than Animated has ever been in it's run.
'...if true the animation may indeed be wrong for this show.'
No more so than G1 having more detailed animation and having less serious themes at times.
I know you didn't. But you were close to describing Animated as nothing more than a typical kids show (which would have no decent plot), which it isn't.
'the show seems to follow character dynamics of Teen Titans'
It has some of the same creative staff. So that isn't too surprising. But it also has some of the staff who worked on Beast Wars.
'and next to Beastwars, G1 and Avatar it just feels like a 'little show''
I've honestly heard many people say that Animated exceeds G1 and is second only to Beast Wars in terms of being a strong character based series. And honestly after watching the entire series, I can't argue that.
G1 does have limitations because it was made in the 80s, it tried new things but sometimes it fell into 70s type of simplicity. but for the most part G1 was groundbreaking that it did more that just run around and fight. compared to He-man of the 80s. there Skeletor has a secret weapon, but when he wants to use it (after 15 min) He-man has a secret weapon to counter Skeletors secret weapon. it was never THAT easy for the Autobots. its G1 and shows like it that made the 90s shows possible (B:TAS)
'its G1 and shows like it that made the 90s shows possible (B:TAS)'
Well, no. It isn't. BTAS was finally given grounds for production after the success of the first Tim Burton movie. Plus, many 90's shows (including BTAS), followed a different formula and tone to 80's shows.
indeed i did. sometimes these youtube comments are so restricting.
if you compare G1 to other shows of the 80s that the show did do new things, like giving the villains a change to beat the good guys (how many times did Megatron beat Prime on his knees.)
there are even quiet character driven scenes. in the 90s (B:TAS/BW) these types of scenes would be more used, and unlike G1 even knows to turn the music off now and then. action silliness sure but G1 also took itself serious when needed.
Megatron behaves alot like Beastmachines Megatron-II. but he is sinister and Corey Burton's voice is wonderful, to bad the hero's doent seem as intresting. with the nostalgia factor: they have some fun things, but why not set the show in universe with G1/BW/BM? they could still do what they want (as BW proved) pity for a show that is set 50 years from now. that alone could have been a good excuse to do a new show. even imagine G1 Optimus Prime to appear at some point for new Optimus.
I beg to differ. Ratchet is one of the most interesting characters on the show (again, another incarnation that has become a favourite of mine) and even the new Optimus has a credible backstory with Blackarachnia (who personally had more character in one episode than her BW version had in an entire season (now that is saying something).
Ratchet is based on Kup i would say, and Ani Blackarahnia is really a evil Aleta-1 i believe. BW Blacky is -to me- the best female TF. if what you say is true i sould love Ani.
i love G1 Optimus Prime's backstory, so i wonder about that.
BW proved that you can stay in universe and still make a new show/new take. if ani did the same guessed appearances would have had more impact to long fans.
'and Ani Blackarahnia is really a evil Aleta-1 i believe.'
Well, thats part of her backstory, but she isn't quite 'evil', just misguided through bigotism (she's seen as a 'mutant freak' by other Cybertronians). Personally, I think the new BA is definitely improved from the old one in terms of motivation.
'if ani did the same guessed appearances would have had more impact to long fans.
and the universe would have become more richer.'
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to disagree on that one; mainly because Animated isn't just pulling sources from G1, but from nearly EVERY big TF series/continuity that has ever been (BW/BM, Unicron Trilogy, Movie etc.)
it is also a pitty the show takes place in a city filled with robots, this makes the TFs a little less special. like if every character in Starwars had a light saber then the Jedi would not be as special as they are now. ''its your fathers light saber'' ''cool now i have three, but my uncle has this really nice one'' :P
still i will give Animated the credit of being the best TF show in years. and i will try the full season 1 at some point in DVD form.
'it is also a pitty the show takes place in a city filled with robots, this makes the TFs a little less special.'
Not exactly. The robots in the city are just manual labor drones and by comparison to the giant extra-terrestrial shape-shifting variety than the main characters are; are hardly as impressive. Not to mention that, being drones, they aren't sentient.
sure i get that the TFs are more advanced. but to the minds of the humans in that universe they sould not be as surprised to see TFs as the G1 humans in the 80s. that also makes me think that setting a next TF movie series in the 80s could be a very unique and bold move. show our world of the past with Tech of another world would create an intresting movie. well G1 already proved that. (yeah proved is my word of the day XD)
oh its you...ROFL. yeah i thought it was you. one thing i would like to add to that debate of old, im skipping the next movie, im sorry but i hear there are robots with balls, stereotypical black robots, peeing and barfing robots, the movie again doesn't know what it wants to be, Wheelie is doggie riding someone, and a male body part is mentioned atleast 10 times, but i never had any intention of going in the first place.
that you like Animated i can understand, but not the Bayformers duo
Thats fair enough. I can honestly say that whilst I thought the first was good, I didn't like the second one.
For everything they get right (Megatron/Starscream interaction, Transformer screen-time, better choreographed action scenes etc.) it all gets dragged down by terrible cringe-worthy humor and dialogue.
what i have been able to piece together with some reviews ive seen (sent to me by people) i tempted to think that the second one is even worse than the first.
The second is indeed worse than the first one. The first one was more of a 'your mileage may vary' kinda movie. Some loved it, some hated it. But overall it did quite well.
The second one is just a poor film. And the thing is, if the script was tweaked, the humor severely toned down, it could have been at least halfway decent. But alas..
(Oh, sorry for taking so long to reply to this, I thought I did so already)
well as you know i think both are horrible. (unfair maybe i havnt seen the second one yet so a final opinion is still to be formed but what ive read and seen it sounds even worse than the first...i mean balls? you can have an impression of a movie without seeing it)
the first one did indeed quite well (700 million) however the second one did better (800 million) what someone said sounds right ''everything the first one did right this movie does right 2X better, but everything.....(cont)
Well, my opinion on the first remains the same (which had decent critcal success as well as financial), but yeah, it's essentially true. ROTF improves on the good, but gives more of the bad and makes it WORSE. The humor was terrible in this film and unlike the first, there seemed to be no point to any of it.
Devastator is actually the perfect representaton of what this movie is like; when he shows up he looks great, but stumbles around like there is no point to it and then Bay gives him balls
''critical success''? i really REALLY wanted to like the first movie. i read allot (ALOT) of positive reviews. to see if i was looking at the movie in the wrong way. HOWEVER they where all positive in disguise. most complained about all the stuff i find bad (basicly something wrong with every scene) but still call it a good movie and add that you should turn off your brain. witch means ''bad movie'' to me.
if they can do that with movie 1 then do it with EVERY movie. free pass for Bay? why?
In that case, you were either reading the wrong reviews, or misinterpreting them. I never view movies via 'turning my brain off' and I still very much liked it.
'if they can do that with movie 1 then do it with EVERY movie. free pass for Bay? why? '
Well, no. If that was the case dontcha think ROTF would've gotten the same (or better) treatment?
Fact is, you may not like the first film; but it did do something right. Unlike ROTF.
I already have (and I think I've mentioned it before). And the final verdict suggested that the movie merely could have been BETTER (which is true). Not that it was terrible.
And whilst he does have some very good points, I don't agree with all of them.
And again, many who liked the first didn't like the second (me included). If all it took to make the movie good were the robots then again, shouldn't ROTF have been better? No, of course not.
Wait Cyclonus is with Megatron. And Cyclonus is a reformat of Starscream from Unicron. Yet Megatron and Starscream got reformatted together at the same time, and Megs even became Galvatron... The hell?
Slimshadow457 2 weeks ago
Anyone notice that Optimus is clearly a bad over engine truck in robot mode, but not in alt mode?
MattMatt39 2 years ago
The front part of the truck is probably tucked away somewhere else.
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
Meh, this is alright. I find it kind of hilarious that Optimus Prime has to say the whole plot in just the very beginning of this. And I don't really like his design. Although Bumblebee's is pretty cool. I hate the quality and the dialogue.
I would prefer something like an adaptation of Simon Furmon's comics. That would be awesome :D
TomEP2 2 years ago 5
Actually, in regards to your comment about Optimus Prime, I noticed that although he has the same colourings as G1 Prime (including blue lower legs with the rear truck wheels) in robot mode, his altmode is entirely red, including the area that his legs should transform from (if we take his usual transformation scheme into account).
And yeah... some of the dialogue was... off, but I don't really think they were aiming for a great script here.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
Well, it's not the coloring that bugs me. It's they try to mix the G1 look with the look of his movie counterpart. Too many wires sticking in his joints, in my opinion.
TomEP2 2 years ago 2
I think the wiring on his torso is a bit too much personally. I mean, even the movie Prime had a few parts of metal plating covering that area. Here (except for the truck grill) it's just all wires.
Still doesn't look that bad to me, just that they could've done a little better.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
I forgot to mention the torso.
And I do have to give credit to the designers for doing something different with Prime's look.
TomEP2 2 years ago 2
Baby steps. First establish that the new generation of filmgoers and would-be TF fans can appreciate a more classic plot and visual aesthetic, THEN bring in Furman as the story consultant. *lol*
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
I like the way you think :D
TomEP2 2 years ago
Interesting idea to combine the G1 and movie styles together.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
i would say it looks more like G2 comic book style. (1993) then TFs where drawn with more wires, the alternate modes maybe based on the new movie's BUT G2 laser OPtimus Prime had the same mode!
henkman00 2 years ago
I've seen images of G2 (never read it) and I can safely say that (in my opinion) there is more of a movie influence here (the fact this was released close to the movie sequel would also support this as well).
It isn't just the alt modes or the more complex look; it's the fact that Bumblebee has 'door wings', Megatron has claws and an aerial mode and that he forms his fusion cannon with both arms.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
oh right, i mean the wire look was first seen in G2 so naturally thats the first thing i think off. i see what you mean.
but this is not the first or only animated short they made. ''they always looked real to me'' was one off them, teasing TF fans with a true TF live-action movie.
G2 is a wonderful comic book series, maybe my favorite, i just with the G2 show was something like it. it would have been a perfect TF show for the 1990s
(sorry to take some much comment space Bob XD)
henkman00 2 years ago
I love these designs. Bay really needs to get some sense knocked into him, and us TF fans are the ones to do it.
Voltage2014 2 years ago
its really annoying to hear ''explosions and fights is all a robot movie needs'' if that was all TF was than i would have grown out of it years ago
henkman00 2 years ago
If explosions and fights are all a robot movie needs, how would a fan-friendly storyline impede on that? I seem to recall there being quite a lot of explosions and fights in not only the original cartoon, but every other show to succeed it. ;P
Bobzeaux 2 years ago
i love the design, more rounded out parts, i was expacting them to look like B$ but they turn into TF/G1 looking TFs amazing.
and no TFs could have been remained mostly the same, perhaps a design update with a bit more detail, and combine the best if the original and Beastwars plus the best animation of today and you would have an good 21 century TF show.
storywise a mix between those shows off the past and great shows of today like Avatar.
never tell me it cant be done
henkman00 2 years ago
Have you ever watched Transformers Animated?
Because most of what you said you would like to see is present in that series.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
ive seen 10 episodes so far of animated. the reason why not every episode is because i have become lazy with DVD box sets :P, i am collecting all shows now. i have 6 of the 13 shows made. but for now i see animated as a typical show of 2009, some parts are done very well and 'cool' but other parts are a little bit to kiddy and simplistic (magic key) plus the animation style its not really what a 2009 TF show should be (can be) it stands in Avatar's shadow. say dint we have a debate once? :)
henkman00 2 years ago
If you can get past the animation style Animated is one of the strongest Transformers shows ever to be made on virtually all fields and filled to the truckload with nostalgia.
The series is notable in my eyes for having my favourite version of Megatron to date.
And yes, we have spoken before.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
well the animation style is a big obstacle for Animated. i showed the first few min to a non-fan -never saw anything TF- we see the G1 intro and she is looking then we see the animated characters and her first reaction is ''what happened?! that first part looked great this is childish (...) i cant take this seriously'' then i off cource explained what that first part was and she was surprised it was from the 80s. (i showed her because she -like me- loves animated shows)
henkman00 2 years ago
Now see. That is what you shouldn't do.
Alot of people did the exact same thing when the first images of Animated were released, but upon viewing Botcon footage, people cheered. And when the series was finally released, most people that complained purely based on first impressions did a complete 180'.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
hey i agree here, but not everyone is that open minded. when Beastwars started i was completely sceptical about the hole beastmode and the way they looked. it was the storylines and characters that won me over and BW is now one of my fav shows of all time. im open to Animated as a TF fan but alot of people will not be. just ask the guy that posted this video. (hey Bob :)
but it has to be said, the person i showed the clip found the 25 year old animation look better.
henkman00 2 years ago
'but it has to be said, the person i showed the clip found the 25 year old animation look better.'
At a glance, G1 is more detailed and realistic, but as a whole, Animated has better animation I feel (with the exception of the 1986 movie). The simplified style allows for a much more consistent show, with less mistakes present on the characters and much more fluid animation.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
after just 10 episodes (maybe not fair) i have to say Animated has a number of things that holds it back. the Autobots are more like children. problems are solved with a magic key, the animation look ruins any realism (when say Spike falls of a cliff i can believe he could die or get wounded, but this show is to cartoony for that) the show seems to follow character dynamics of Teen Titans, and next to Beastwars, G1 and Avatar it just feels like a 'little show' but Megatron is a highlight.
henkman00 2 years ago
'the Autobots are more like children.'
How? Bumblebee and Bulkhead are meant to be young bots and Optimus is younger than usually portrayed, but 'children' is stretching it quite a bit (especially when you take Ratchet into account).
'problems are solved with a magic key'
And this key is used less and less as the series goes on.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
'the animation look ruins any realism (when say Spike falls of a cliff i can believe he could die or get wounded, but this show is to cartoony for that)'
I'm sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree here. The Humans in G1 were shown in an almost superhuman fashion in what they could do or survive.
And in Animated, the Decepticons are far deadlier in comparison to the Autobots than they have ever been.
I would also like to point out that despite coming back, Optimus dies in the first series parter.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
take the way Spike and Sari are animated. Spike looks like an animated human, but Sari looks like an puppet with a baloon head. now because of this i believe Spike could die. and Sari sould just fall off a cliff and hold up a sign that says ''i have a Bo Bo''
its like Batman the animated series Batman and Bug Bunny. if Batman fell down with his Batwing he would die, Bugs would just step on the brake and the plane would stop in mid air.
its just a impression of the animation.
henkman00 2 years ago
'its just a impression of the animation.'
And again, that shouldn't hold the show back.
After watching the entire series, Animated seems to be a very maturely written series despite it's animation style.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
'its just a impression of the animation.'
And again, that shouldn't hold the show back''
every show should have its own style and that is something Animated does lack. again Teen Titans.
and again i havnt seen the hole show to see what you mean.
henkman00 2 years ago
'every show should have its own style and that is something Animated does lack. again Teen Titans.'
Animated lacks it's own style? How?
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
its a very typical show made in 2009. it looks very 'cartoon network' a pity because in all other TF shows TF had its own animated (ironic) style. more realistic i would say. even a sense of 3disme (made up a word here! :P)
Animated looks like Teen Titans/Dexters Lab. next to G1/BW (to name two) Ani looks very cartoony. and in atmosphere that does hurt the show (RE:10 eps!)
in a 'cartoon' no one dies and is light harted. a ''animated series'' is basically a 2d tv show.
henkman00 2 years ago
'its a very typical show made in 2009.'
Except it isn't. It only LOOKS like one.
'and in atmosphere'
Except atmosphere is not purely based on appearance.
'in a 'cartoon' no one dies and is light harted.'
And in Animated you have characters that are killed off and ones with deep backstories.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
''Except it isn't. It only LOOKS like one''
then im not really wrong huh? ;P
'Except atmosphere is not purely based on appearance'
true, but it does hurt any show if it was used wrong. if Terminator was done with robot-frogs people may pass it up. like they did with Animated.even if that is wrong or not.
'And in Animated you have characters that are killed off and ones with deep backstories'
...if true the animation may indeed be wrong for this show.
henkman00 2 years ago
'then im not really wrong huh? ;P'
Well, yes, you are. You're describing it as a typical kids show would be describing it as having no danger, no plot and one-dimensional chracters. Hell, I'm sorry to say it, but G1 was more guilty of that than Animated has ever been in it's run.
'...if true the animation may indeed be wrong for this show.'
No more so than G1 having more detailed animation and having less serious themes at times.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
''it only looks like a show from 2009''
your words. so am not completly wrong.
i also never said the other things you said.
i never said Ani has no plot.
''but G1 was more guilty of that than Animated has ever been in it's run.''
not bad for a show once voted 5th best animated show of all time! :)
second not true off cource. G1 was one of the best dramatic shows of its time. even now.
''less serious themes at times. ''
G1 knew when to take it serious and when not to.
henkman00 2 years ago
'your words. so am not completly wrong.'
Yes. Except you are both misquoting and not understanding my point.
'second not true off cource'
I'm sorry, but G1 was incredibly cheesy and typical for an adventure show. Hell, I LIKE G1, but I'm not going to pretend it's something it's not.
Beast Wars was far darker than G1 ever was, but it still had plenty of cheesy moments.
'G1 knew when to take it serious and when not to.'
I never said it didn't. Again, you're misquoting.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
'i also never said the other things you said.
i never said Ani has no plot. '
I know you didn't. But you were close to describing Animated as nothing more than a typical kids show (which would have no decent plot), which it isn't.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
'the show seems to follow character dynamics of Teen Titans'
It has some of the same creative staff. So that isn't too surprising. But it also has some of the staff who worked on Beast Wars.
'and next to Beastwars, G1 and Avatar it just feels like a 'little show''
I've honestly heard many people say that Animated exceeds G1 and is second only to Beast Wars in terms of being a strong character based series. And honestly after watching the entire series, I can't argue that.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
G1 does have limitations because it was made in the 80s, it tried new things but sometimes it fell into 70s type of simplicity. but for the most part G1 was groundbreaking that it did more that just run around and fight. compared to He-man of the 80s. there Skeletor has a secret weapon, but when he wants to use it (after 15 min) He-man has a secret weapon to counter Skeletors secret weapon. it was never THAT easy for the Autobots. its G1 and shows like it that made the 90s shows possible (B:TAS)
henkman00 2 years ago
'its G1 and shows like it that made the 90s shows possible (B:TAS)'
Well, no. It isn't. BTAS was finally given grounds for production after the success of the first Tim Burton movie. Plus, many 90's shows (including BTAS), followed a different formula and tone to 80's shows.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
''Plus, many 90's shows (including BTAS), followed a different formula and tone to 80's shows''
evolution of animation shows, look at 70s 80s and 90s action/adventure animation.
shows LIKE G1 made shows LIKE B:TAS possible.
henkman00 2 years ago
'shows LIKE G1 made shows LIKE B:TAS possible.'
If you mean by striving to improve the formula; then yes.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
indeed i did. sometimes these youtube comments are so restricting.
if you compare G1 to other shows of the 80s that the show did do new things, like giving the villains a change to beat the good guys (how many times did Megatron beat Prime on his knees.)
there are even quiet character driven scenes. in the 90s (B:TAS/BW) these types of scenes would be more used, and unlike G1 even knows to turn the music off now and then. action silliness sure but G1 also took itself serious when needed.
henkman00 2 years ago
Megatron behaves alot like Beastmachines Megatron-II. but he is sinister and Corey Burton's voice is wonderful, to bad the hero's doent seem as intresting. with the nostalgia factor: they have some fun things, but why not set the show in universe with G1/BW/BM? they could still do what they want (as BW proved) pity for a show that is set 50 years from now. that alone could have been a good excuse to do a new show. even imagine G1 Optimus Prime to appear at some point for new Optimus.
henkman00 2 years ago
'to bad the hero's doent seem as intresting.'
I beg to differ. Ratchet is one of the most interesting characters on the show (again, another incarnation that has become a favourite of mine) and even the new Optimus has a credible backstory with Blackarachnia (who personally had more character in one episode than her BW version had in an entire season (now that is saying something).
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
Ratchet is based on Kup i would say, and Ani Blackarahnia is really a evil Aleta-1 i believe. BW Blacky is -to me- the best female TF. if what you say is true i sould love Ani.
i love G1 Optimus Prime's backstory, so i wonder about that.
BW proved that you can stay in universe and still make a new show/new take. if ani did the same guessed appearances would have had more impact to long fans.
and the universe would have become more richer.
henkman00 2 years ago
'Ratchet is based on Kup i would say'
Parts of him, yes.
'and Ani Blackarahnia is really a evil Aleta-1 i believe.'
Well, thats part of her backstory, but she isn't quite 'evil', just misguided through bigotism (she's seen as a 'mutant freak' by other Cybertronians). Personally, I think the new BA is definitely improved from the old one in terms of motivation.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
'if ani did the same guessed appearances would have had more impact to long fans.
and the universe would have become more richer.'
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to disagree on that one; mainly because Animated isn't just pulling sources from G1, but from nearly EVERY big TF series/continuity that has ever been (BW/BM, Unicron Trilogy, Movie etc.)
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
'they have some fun things, but why not set the show in universe with G1/BW/BM?'
Because doing such a thing would limit the shows creativity. And as a franchise, doesn't allow for as much progression.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
it is also a pitty the show takes place in a city filled with robots, this makes the TFs a little less special. like if every character in Starwars had a light saber then the Jedi would not be as special as they are now. ''its your fathers light saber'' ''cool now i have three, but my uncle has this really nice one'' :P
still i will give Animated the credit of being the best TF show in years. and i will try the full season 1 at some point in DVD form.
henkman00 2 years ago
'it is also a pitty the show takes place in a city filled with robots, this makes the TFs a little less special.'
Not exactly. The robots in the city are just manual labor drones and by comparison to the giant extra-terrestrial shape-shifting variety than the main characters are; are hardly as impressive. Not to mention that, being drones, they aren't sentient.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
sure i get that the TFs are more advanced. but to the minds of the humans in that universe they sould not be as surprised to see TFs as the G1 humans in the 80s. that also makes me think that setting a next TF movie series in the 80s could be a very unique and bold move. show our world of the past with Tech of another world would create an intresting movie. well G1 already proved that. (yeah proved is my word of the day XD)
henkman00 2 years ago
oh its you...ROFL. yeah i thought it was you. one thing i would like to add to that debate of old, im skipping the next movie, im sorry but i hear there are robots with balls, stereotypical black robots, peeing and barfing robots, the movie again doesn't know what it wants to be, Wheelie is doggie riding someone, and a male body part is mentioned atleast 10 times, but i never had any intention of going in the first place.
that you like Animated i can understand, but not the Bayformers duo
henkman00 2 years ago
Thats fair enough. I can honestly say that whilst I thought the first was good, I didn't like the second one.
For everything they get right (Megatron/Starscream interaction, Transformer screen-time, better choreographed action scenes etc.) it all gets dragged down by terrible cringe-worthy humor and dialogue.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
coming from you that says something. :)
seeing how you defended the first one.
what i have been able to piece together with some reviews ive seen (sent to me by people) i tempted to think that the second one is even worse than the first.
henkman00 2 years ago
The second is indeed worse than the first one. The first one was more of a 'your mileage may vary' kinda movie. Some loved it, some hated it. But overall it did quite well.
The second one is just a poor film. And the thing is, if the script was tweaked, the humor severely toned down, it could have been at least halfway decent. But alas..
(Oh, sorry for taking so long to reply to this, I thought I did so already)
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
well as you know i think both are horrible. (unfair maybe i havnt seen the second one yet so a final opinion is still to be formed but what ive read and seen it sounds even worse than the first...i mean balls? you can have an impression of a movie without seeing it)
the first one did indeed quite well (700 million) however the second one did better (800 million) what someone said sounds right ''everything the first one did right this movie does right 2X better, but everything.....(cont)
henkman00 2 years ago
(2) the first one did poorly, this movie did 10X worse'' that sounds about right.
Bay dint improve on his original. (and boy was there alot to improve) he just gave us more of the same.
(Youtube sometimes doesnt place a comment. i dont know why. so maybe you did write me a comment)
henkman00 2 years ago
Well, my opinion on the first remains the same (which had decent critcal success as well as financial), but yeah, it's essentially true. ROTF improves on the good, but gives more of the bad and makes it WORSE. The humor was terrible in this film and unlike the first, there seemed to be no point to any of it.
Devastator is actually the perfect representaton of what this movie is like; when he shows up he looks great, but stumbles around like there is no point to it and then Bay gives him balls
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
''critical success''? i really REALLY wanted to like the first movie. i read allot (ALOT) of positive reviews. to see if i was looking at the movie in the wrong way. HOWEVER they where all positive in disguise. most complained about all the stuff i find bad (basicly something wrong with every scene) but still call it a good movie and add that you should turn off your brain. witch means ''bad movie'' to me.
if they can do that with movie 1 then do it with EVERY movie. free pass for Bay? why?
henkman00 2 years ago
'HOWEVER they where all positive in disguise.'
In that case, you were either reading the wrong reviews, or misinterpreting them. I never view movies via 'turning my brain off' and I still very much liked it.
'if they can do that with movie 1 then do it with EVERY movie. free pass for Bay? why? '
Well, no. If that was the case dontcha think ROTF would've gotten the same (or better) treatment?
Fact is, you may not like the first film; but it did do something right. Unlike ROTF.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
Ironically I actually thought the game was far better than the movie. Which is a complete turnaround for me.
First installment; good film, crap game.
Second; crap film, good game.
I mean, there are some things to enjoy in it (the Forest Fight and the scene on The Nemesis) but they are so few and far between.
And yeah, I have noticed the comment thing with YouTube, it does get annoying from time-to-time.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago
LOL.
First movie: crap. first movie/game poor. (but i still had a better time with it than the movie....but i wasnt interested enough to finish it)
about the movie 1 reviews. i want to add. there also where alot of ''it has giant F***ing robots what more do you want?''
type of 'reviews' most intresting was a 15 page review i got about how bad the first movie was.
watch the moviepreviewcritic commentary i agree with him for about 99% (its on youtube)
henkman00 2 years ago
'watch the moviepreviewcritic commentary'
I already have (and I think I've mentioned it before). And the final verdict suggested that the movie merely could have been BETTER (which is true). Not that it was terrible.
And whilst he does have some very good points, I don't agree with all of them.
And again, many who liked the first didn't like the second (me included). If all it took to make the movie good were the robots then again, shouldn't ROTF have been better? No, of course not.
Clifftothemax 2 years ago