3 Concerns for the West on Russia's Invasion of Georgia

[gazakind]

why does the us take as shit of that conflict?

russia dont care too that us is massmurering people in irak for oil

i say you why.. they want more rockets nearer to the russian broder

same shit with cuba crisis..

us got angry as russia placed nuclear weapons at cuba

but nobody cares about that fact that us had placed nukes in turkey before...

and they still have the nukes there

[gazakind]

it is immoral and illegal to save people from genocide..

georgian troops were trained and supportet with vehicles and weapons by the us

2 days before georgia attacked the separatists in south ossetia, us troops were pulled back from the nearer area

i can swear.. every bullet which hit a south ossetian civilist was "made in usa"

read the background of that conflict

and read WHY the peacekeepers were stationed at the border between south ossetia and georgia

[efg36]

test

[EmperorofTerra]

EU reaction was as I forseen, Pussylike and assgiving as the European slut nations ( not all ) are to survive Russia.

[dx379598]

i hope to soon see the Georgia into NATO!

[EmperorofTerra]

Russia's only reason why it's supports two criminal regimes in two Georgian enclaves is the constant destabilization of the entire country. The goal is to cut off Georgia from order, independence and foreign assistance, since the Russian government fears to have intensified Nato build up in that region.

[MrRezz0]

Georgia must join NATO as much it can be. but to day European leaders as Sarkozy , Merkel and Berlusconi are Puppets of Russian Gaz-prom. only one brave european ledar Lech Kaczynski was man who standed strong against Russian barbarism and he is not anymore. to day europe and usa is weak against russia.

[MrRezz0]

Russia is occupier dictatorship country under Siege of Vladimir Putin.

[investortownhall]

More HeritagePropaganda to generate fear to get more money for the military establishment and War for profit arms dealers. The USA taxpayer is paying to keep Military bases in over 150 countries and occupy and rebuild a country that never attacked the USA. Just another Vietnam, waste of life and a money pit for arms dealers to profit off.

[3684541]

Sally's hot!

[efg36]

Abcasia is not part of Georgia, it was the Georgian Stalin who put Abchasia to Georgia. And the Georgians see Stalin as national Hero.

[EmperorofTerra]

@efg36 Desinformation and Propaganda. Read history. Abkhazia is Georgian land since 1300 BC.

[EmperorofTerra]

@efg36 You only know post 1990 history and pathetic propaganda nothing else. Your brain is filled with all the shit, the FSB wants you to have.

[efg36]

@EmperorofTerra

Your Country if full of museums and memorials for Stalin. Shut up. Your Country love Stalin.

[EmperorofTerra]

@efg36 You are in deep shit, when you think that, my dear little brainwashed stig

[Das3Auge]

Russia did self-defence, bacause it was attacked. The EU-Report, coming up next week, will say, that the georgians began the war. But why the hell, the russians killed american soldiers in georgia. What DID they do there. World are you that blind? Peace.

[Das3Auge]

Russian invasion? What about the 250 concerns of american invasion of iraque, afghanistan, the 911 false flag operation, the making up of war with georgia and the orange revolution in the ukraine? USA, shut the fuck up! YOU are the evil one, causing nothing than war, fear and infiltration.

[efg36]

Who made Georgias Borders? Georgia was a part of the CCCP before 1990. Than it split up. But who made the Borders in the CCCP? Who made Georgia so big.

The answer is: A Georgian.

His Name: Joseph Stalin

Is it a task of the west to defense stalins borders.

Stalin was the seccond evilst human beeng ever lived on this earth.

[EmperorofTerra]

@efg36 Georgia as one nation is one of the oldest countries in the world. Stalin destabilzed it by mass genocide. Georgia was much larger. The Bolcheviks stole Sochi, the Ottomans stole southern parts with Black Sea ports, the Armenians stole the Lori district and now even want to have the Javakh region. Georgia had all these lands, when Russia didn't even exis a few thousand years agot. All what you are thought somewhere by idiot brainwashed people, are lies.

[efg36]

@EmperorofTerra

Stalin was a Georgian.

[EmperorofTerra]

@efg36 I don't fucking care. He murdered tens of millions

[efg36]

@EmperorofTerra In Georgia he is a hero. And he made this borders witch include south ossetia and abchasia. i dont care if they want be part of russia. it is not a european problem. by the way, georgia is an asian country.

[EmperorofTerra]

@efg36 Georgia is not an Asian country you idiot. It is the definition of Caucasia and the brink bwteen Europe and Asia. From this spot, the first true developed humanoids spread all over through Europe and Asia.

[EmperorofTerra]

@efg36 Stalin is no hero in Georgia. Georgia has hundred thousands of heroes.

[efg36]

@EmperorofTerra

Stalin is a hero in georgia.

There are museums for him.

There are big statues for him.

There is a big monument for him in gori.

The georgians love stalin.

And the borders he made.

[EmperorofTerra]

@efg36 Georgian borders ? Georgian borders ended in Sochi, Lori and parts of Turkey, Georgia got massively minimized under sovjet rule.

[efg36]

@EmperorofTerra Thats not the problem of the western world. I dont care about Georgie. They dont matter. I dont pay one cent for them. But Russia matters. Russia is a relevant partner for enegy and econemy. That the yenks want that europes relacionship to russia is worse is clear. and that the heritages want that is clear too. and that the georgians are ignorant and think that all others in this universe and all neighbours are unfair to them is clear too.

[gvinianidze]

@efg36 omfg you are shitting wisdom from every whole of your body o.O first of all stallin is NOT a hero in Georga, hes mostly recognized for giving out Georgian lands to other countrys and for genocide of hundreds of thouthands people by sending them to Siberian concentration camps where most of them died, second Georgia is part of Eastern Europe and not Asia look it up dumass...

[efg36]

@gvinianidze Of course Stalin is not a hero.

But for the Gerorgiens he is a hero.

And he dont killed houndreds of thousands, he killed millions.

[gvinianidze]

@efg36 dude u really are stupid arent u ? I know Stallin killed Millions... I was talking about Georgians he killed and for a small country like Georgia houndreds of thousands is ALOT! plus, where the fuck you get your information about Georgians loving Stalin?? P.S. Georgia Was much bigger and its territories were given away to Turkey, Armenia , Azerbajan and Russia under Stalins rule. get your facts straight and after open your mouth so you dont look stupid....

[efg36]

@gvinianidze

1. In Europe and the near east EVERY country had a time he was bigger.

2. Its not a secret that the georgians love Stalin. And since the last war all can know it. In Gory, stalins birthplace is a big stalin monument in front of the town hall. You dont want to accept that? It was in all news chanells. Maybe not on FoxTV. Look at Wikipedia/Gory, there is a foto of the monument.

Search in the web, there are many documantaries about the stalin cult in georgia.

[efg36]

@gvinianidze

@gvinianidze

1. In Europe and the near east EVERY country had a time it was bigger.

2. Its not a secret that the georgians love Stalin. And since the last war all can know it. In Gory, stalins birthplace is a big stalin monument in front of the town hall. You dont want to accept that? It was in all news chanells. Maybe not on FoxTV. Look at Wikipedia/Gory, there is a foto of the monument.

Search in the web, there are many documantaries about the stalin cult in georgia.

[efg36]

@gvinianidze @gvinianidze

1. In Europe and the near east EVERY country had a time it was bigger.

2. Its not a secret that the georgians love Stalin. And since the last war all can know it. In Gory, stalins birthplace is a big stalin monument in front of the town hall. You dont want to accept that? It was in all news chanells. Maybe not on FoxTV. Look at Wikipedia/Gory, there is a foto of the monument.

Search in the web, there are many documantaries about the stalin cult in georgia.

[efg36]

@gvinianidze

@gvinianidze

1. Its not a secret that the georgians love Stalin. And since the last war all can know it. In Gory, stalins birthplace is a big stalin monument in front of the town hall. You dont want to accept that? It was in all news chanells. Maybe not on FoxTV. Look at Wikipedia/Gory, there is a foto of the monument.

Search in the web, there are many documantaries about the stalin cult in georgia.

[efg36]

@gvinianidze @gvinianidze

1. Its not a secret that the georgians love Stalin. And since the last war all can know it. In Gory, stalins birthplace is a big stalin monument in front of the town hall. You dont want to accept that? It was in all news chanells. Maybe not on FoxTV. Look at Wikipedia/Gory, there is a foto of the monument.

Search in the web, there are many documantaries about the stalin cult in georgia.

[EmperorofTerra]

@Mavlik 1. On Georgian Territory, 2. where Russians troops do not belong, 3. Russia started the war with Georgia, Georgia fought seperatists, not Russians.

[Mavlik]

@EmperorofTerra

Russians belonged in S.Ossetia according to the agreement Georgia signed and which was broken when Georgians started their little US backed blitzkrieg on Tskhinval.

Georgia started the war when it's troops crossed the border and killed their first Russian peace keeper in S.O, a clear act of war.

To rape Saakashvili's army after this was a rightful thing to do to send a message to any future "beacons of freedom" that like bombing sleeping cities along with peace keepers.

[EmperorofTerra]

@Mavlik tell those fairy tales to your mom you zombie

[Mavlik]

@EmperorofTerra Tell that to the residents of Tskhinval and the EU after you are finished jerking at the Tie Eater portrait.

[fummelhakan]

well - the thing is : the west didn't respect serbias territorial integrety. kosovo became a state of its own against the russian's will.

an overwhelming majority in southossetia wants to be seperatet from georga.

so aren't you meassuring with two cups here?

[ChickenhawkMaxBoot]

How many times do I need to say it? Kill the Russians and rejoice!

As I wrote in the LA Times, Washington policy should be to kill everyone born in Moscow with Javelins (except me). I especially hope that any children I was friends with as a young boy in Moscow before I went to America are killed en masse, as they are instruments of the Putin regime.

[karlmahlmann]

Lets not forget, it was our pals in Georgia who started it and then asked US if we wouldnt mind getting involved in World War III. Well, actually, I do mind. This is one war I think we can sit out. We were terrible winners of the Cold War and now we are facing Cold War II (history repeats). Instead, we need to stop the hysterical Russia bashing and double standards and work with our Russian friends to defeat Islamic Terrorism.

[skrillavilla]

I still CANNOT see how Europeans can be SO critical of the least imperialistic power in HISTORY, when they owe almost everything to the Yanks(including Russia/Germany)

As a Canadian I KNOW we would NOT exist if it werent for our neighbours. Why cant Europe see this?

For having the most powerful arsenal in history, Im hard-pressed to critisize America when we know what SO many other "powers" would do with such power. Iraq is not even a TASTE of what America COULD do. Yet they dont. AWFUL!

[skrillavilla]

I think Communism, Nazism, European Imperialism, Colonialism and Fascism (ALL European innovations) have had a FAR more profound impact on the world than Chile, Afghanistan or Iran's relationship with America. Tell me ONE thing that America is doing right now that Europe hasn't done in the past? Also, don't take "Heritage Foundation" TOO seriously, aside for a FEW, they are living in 1776. Russia is NOT innocent, as a German I'm sure you know. And Putin is slowly turning Russia back to the CCCP.

[skrillavilla]

It's called a counterpoint. If you use the point of America's "grim" past(first), then mentioning Europe's countless/worse crimes in the past 100 years is more than valid. Its hypocrisy to critisize America, when youre defending a continent with a FAR bloodier past. And most Americans dont even know about American action in Chile, Iran or Afghanistan. They dont "overwhelmingly" take pride in them. They take pride in their nation, just like Europeans, but not about "covert-action in Chile".

[skrillavilla]

btw, "sweet" Michael Moore quote.

I think Chile, Iran and Afghanistan have no "useful" purpose in this argument. Its about Russia, and Europe. Not all over the Mid-east, S.America and Asia.

Its interesting that Europe has conquered/infiltrated/invaded EVERY one of those nations in the past...some centuries before America existed as a nation, but as an Imperial European Colony (of Britain)

[13otany13ay]

Sure, what happened in Chile, Iran and Afghanistan in the past 50 years is irrelevant. But what Europe di in the past hundred years counts.

See, skrillavilla, I dont argue about Europes crimes of the past, not one bit. And I also dont try to weigh Europes against Americas crimes.

The difference is, the overwhelming majority of europeans do not take pride in their crimes.

[skrillavilla]

1, 1492 onward - European empires kill tens of MILLIONS of native peoples in the Americas,Asia and Africa.

2,1933-45 - Nazi Germany begins a program of destruction killing 10 million Jews, Slavs, Homosexuals and other "undesirables". America steps in and saves MILLIONS of Europeans from Nazi tyranny at the cost of hundreds of thousands. America spares Germany.

4. 1945- 1991 Soviet Russia brutally occupies Eastern/Central Europe. American opens her borders, allowing millions of refuges in.

[skrillavilla]

I just feel, not as an American, but as a Canadian, that the "free" world should show more thanks for what America has done for us.

Get over yourselves Europe. If it were'nt for Americans you would all be speaking German. End of story.

[ChickenhawkMaxBoot]

As I wrote in the LA Times, Washington policy should be to kill everyone born in Moscow with Javelins, except me. I especially hope that any children I was friends with as a young boy in Moscow before I went to America are killed en masse, as they are instruments of the Putin regime.

[Politicsson]

Nothing moral in superpower behavior . Moralities and ideology used as mask to veil the essence of imperialism throughout history.

[13otany13ay]

Another anti-european attempt of the heritage foundation to split europe and put us in harms way. Its people as you that contsantly provoke russia, destabilize the world and endanger me and my familly.

It was the "inadequat" response of europe that solved the crisis, while Putin laughed about Condi Rice and John McCain and the neo-imperialist heritage foundation knows that. Stop endangering europe!

[skrillavilla]

500,000 Americans DIED saving Europe/Asia just over 60 years ago. Instead of critisizing America DAILY,Europe should wonder whether her nations would even exist if it were'nt for "evil America". America COULD have dismantled Germany, and left it for the vicious Soviets. It COULD have NOT given DECADES of financial aid to bring Germany from her kness following your European tour of 39-45.

[skrillavilla]

I think nearly a MILLION American lives in the past century show that the US is NOT anti-European. Its the EUROPEANS who should stop being anti-American. Imperialistic? Last time I checked America is the ONLY super power to never "invade" and "occupy" just for expansion. While Britain, France, Spain, Germany, Beligium, Netherlands, Russia, and MORE conquered and imperially expanded for CENTURIES. In fact, America is a product of European imperialism! Hypocrites.

[13otany13ay]

9/11 1973 - the CIA overthrows the democratically elected President of Chile, Salvador Allende, and installs a facsist regime under Pinochet. Thousands get murdered by him.

1953 MI5 and CIA overthrow Irans democraticaly elected President Motasadeq and install the tyrant Pahlavi, whos troops torture political opposition.

The U.S. supported the Mudshahedin in Aghanistan, that became the Taliban. They supported Saddam Hussein in his agression against Iran, hundreds of thousands of people die.

[getplaning]

For the people living in the reality based community, this video raises these 3 concerns about the motives of the Heritage Foundation:

1)The invasion was legal and moral. Russia responded to an attack on it's citizens by Georgia.

2)Europe's response has been completely correct. The Heritage Foundation should not expect Europe to fight its wars for them.

3)The West should stop trying to start another Cold War by breaking its promise not to encircle Russia with NATO countries.

[EmperorofTerra]

@getplaning On it's citizens !? That's the point where your unseriousness and dumbiness starts. That's how Russia showed the world how pathetic and unreasonable it behaves in front of your eyes.

[getplaning]

@EmperorofTerra Wow, your sophisticated and detailed reply completely debunks my entire premise. I am humbled by your depth of intellect.

[gvinianidze]

@getplaning Germany attacked Poland under a reson of protecting its sittizens in WW2 .....

[efg36]

@gvinianidze

how many nations the us attaced with this reason?

[efg36]

@gvinianidze

How many countries the US attacted with this reason?

[Tralgit]

Ok lets see; Hungary, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Katyn, Georgia, is there something wrong in this lineup? No, its normal Russian procedure.

[xctrackbabe]

1) The invasion in Kosovo was illegal and immoral

2) Europe's response to kosovo was inadequate!

3)Russia should stress to America, that actions have consequences!

CCCC

[johnson2324]

where are concerns about Bush btw?

[Georgianflower]

johnson, why don't you switch your nickname to Ivanov?

[johnson2324]

why would I?

[johnson2324]

Looks like a girl who doesn't understand that it was Georgia who started the conflict and killed thousands of people and it was provocated by Suckashvily. But she tells it with a very smart face like she knows something. Get education.

[ryanmoreau]

This is bias news yet again...

[keepshare]

1) Iraq, guess it is a matter of perspective then. 2) Esay to say when you are separated from Russia by a ocean. In Europe, Russia is part of the geopolitical reality, as well a major oil supplier. 3) Yes, but without antagonizing the Russian population, which is nationalistic enough as it is. So yes a firm but balanced reaction is required

[wildbestia]

EU isn't that stupid. Britain pushed for economic sanctions, because this will make EU start buying gas from Britain. US is trying to piss Russia and EU to weaken both. Euro is already much stronger than dollar.

But French and Germans aren't that stupid to fall into this trap. So stop bitching.

US should mind its own business and not mess with Russia's backyard or next we will see Russian missiles on Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua. Russian spies in Mexico.

[Christhepufferfish]

Woo! Amazing. 5/5. Thanks for echoing what I've been saying, and giving me things to think about.

I personally think it was a test for the west's response... we failed.

On a side note... There's nothing hotter than a smart, well-spoken, conservative woman. =)

[dtaijo174]

What is the difference between this and Kosovo?

The US invades Kosovo to aid the ethnic albanians & recognizes their independence. This is moral?

The Russians invade South Ossetia (after being attacked) to aid the ethinic Russians & recognizes their independence.

This is immoral?

What is the difference? Why is it that when the US does something its for good, but if Russia does the same thing it is evil?

[terpis]

well said...it's a problem i think rooted in hawkish 'realism':

advancing distorted, half-true arguments is justified if it advances one's desired ends.

[CRAPCANNONS]

Are you saying that the West doesn't have the right to hypocrisy and double-standards? Only China, Saudi Arabia, etc?

[johnson2324]

Ofcource West has rights for hypocrisy and it fully uses hypocrise like we see it in FOX channel programs. Good job. Go on.

[CRAPCANNONS]

how do you say irony in Russian?

[lizrael]

Ironija (ирония).