did the church release this video? this is inaccurate. i don't get why they didn't give a completely accurate account of joseph's murder... or of him translating? would it not be alright for people to see how it really happened? it shouldn't affect anyone's faith...
Joseph Smith: Today we have two bookend posts that mark the beginning and end of Joseph Smith's life. First is a gorgeous photo of "Joseph's Birthplace Memorial At Dusk." And secondly is a blog memorial of Joseph Smith's death that includes recent photos of Carthage Jail: "O Give Me Back My Prophet Dear."
Readers can tell which writer is living a life most in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ by observing how much love and respect they show to those with whom they disagree. If someone is calling other people names, using hateful language, or showing other signs of a heart full of negativity, you know not to trust what they say as truth. If you want real information, speak to someone who is respectful and reasonable.
The man has not died in vain. The Standard of Truth has been erected, and miracles will never cease to happen until that day when Christ himself will descend from the Heavens. I commit to serving God as much as I can and preparing the World as much as possible before my death for that day.
I commit to worthily serve the Lord as of this year hence; I promise to be a molester and agitator of the dominion of Satan; helping to loosen his grip that he has on many innocent souls.
The trial of public opinion regarding Joseph Smith continues today without ceasing... only the faithless and godless rise up against his testimony; the one that was sealed in his own blood. Death can not conquer the hero ever again!
If I could witness any five moments in history they would be the following (Not in order of the event I would see first):
-Christ risen from the sepulcrhe
-Christ's visitation to the americas
-Joseph Smith translating
-Christ in the manger
-Moses parting the red seas OH YEAH!
To see one of those would be the experience of a life time, yet something even more priceless, and it would be more meaningful than all the scripture on Earth, would be just one minute beyond the veil. Miracles happen!
What they don't acknowledge is that Satan is the common denominator. If Satan was behind our church, why would there be strenuous efforts to destroy it? Jesus Christ himself said, "A kingdom divided amongst itself can not stand."
Many of us were raised in the gospel, but every man has come to his own decision about the church and its teachings. Everyone who believes in the gospel is, in his own way, a convert.
Why suppress the testimony of faithful seekers regardless if they grew up in the gospel or not? all must come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ whether it be by conversion apart from family ties or through faithful parents that raise their children unto the Lord?
To tell you the truth Ive considered it from time to time, Comming back that is but right now would obviously be a bad time. Like ive said I just have a hard time believing some of the teachings when many of them "at least in my opinion" have been proven false. Ive also heard many racial accusations against the church and although I haven't came to any conclusion on those I will be looking into them with an open mind as well. But I will keep praying although right now im not going to church.
If you have trouble with any of the teachings, I'd encourage you to talk to someone about them. Send me a message sometime. The DNA thing is a perfect example--it is very easy to construe the "evidence" to make something appear false. However, with the right context, that is an easy concern to make logical sense out of.
Anyway, keep praying, stay open, and keep the possibilities open. There will be lots of people to welcome you back when you're ready for that decision.
I appreciate you putting that into perspective for me because that was one of the main reasons I left the church. But there seems to be alot of competition among church members about those kind of things. But I'll be honest I went into the church with an open mind But I don't think my heart was where it should have been or I could never have accepted the prophets that lead the church. But Some of the nicest people I meant were within the church while some were distant. But I am not here to judge
None of the members of the Church are perfect. If the Church was for pefect people, the pews would certainly be empty on Sunday! :)
I understand that there can be circumstances where people can say things or imply things that are hurtful. Have I ever been offended by another church member? You bet, just like I've been offended by people at school, work, and essentially any group in which I've spent a lot of time. It's inevitable at some point because of our imperfections.
I know many of you won't believe me but the doctrine where Joseph Smith says Native Americans were direct descendents of isreal have been proven by DNA evidence to be false.
I know I'm gonna get all of the same messeges from all of you saying that I know this church is true and Joseph smith and Thomas Monson are true prophets of God. But don't bother because I know theyve been making you say that since you were 2.
Actually there were more reasons I left the church. I don't agree with the family proclamation because it doesn't and shouldn't apply to every member of the church. I don't believe that if someone doesn't get married and be fruitful and multiply that the are undeserving of going to a higher level of heaven. My Bible says that Those who believe in me meaning "Jesus Christ" shall not persish but have everlasting life. Christ didn't come to fullfill the law meaning we don't have to earn our way.
"While this family unit is the ideal, many Church members find themselves in a variety of other circumstances. Some are not married, but have good support from their parents or siblings. Others may not have support from an extended family. The gospel of Jesus Christ was given by God to bless all His children, without exception, regardless of the family situations in which they find themselves. The gospel provides a brotherhood and sisterhood to strengthen and help all God's children.
That quote is from lds*org and I believe answers your concern. The Church recognizes that not every person will have the opportunity to be married in this life.
mormons: 1. Deify "man", 2. Humanize GOD, 3. Deify/Exalt satan, the (mormon) Spirit Bother of Jesus, 4: Reject the Deity of JESUS CHRIST, 5: Minimize SIN, 6: Discount HELL, 7: REJECT, and Don't Preach The CROSS, 8: ATTACK the DVINE AUTHORITY of the BIBLE, 9: TWIST The SCRIPTURES, to make them SAY what they WANT them to say, & DENY the HOLY TRINITY, etc THATs MORE Important than ALL Joe Smiths FALSE Prophecies & EVIL DEEDS, combined. The REAL JESUS said "SEARCH The SCRPTURES". THEY TESTIFY TO HIM
reverendluke, I think you win the award for being able to fit more lies and half-truths into one 500-character comment than any I've seen before. Congratulations.
Too bad you tried to spam it on to lots of my videos. Classy as well.
I know the Book of Mormon the Holy Bible to be the word of God. I've completely read both several times. They compliment each other. They both contain God's words for us!
I have a grandfather who was imprisoned for something he didn't do. He knew Joseph Smith personally. While in jail he was offered a large bag of money if he would betray Joseph Smith. He would not, though he was very poor, denounce the Prophet. Nor will I!
Pratt and McConkie were not alone, however, in their classification of the Roman church as the great abominable church. In 1882, for instance, an article in the Contributor claimed that many scriptures (including ones from Revelation) point to the Roman Catholic power as that great and abominable church. (Inconsistencies of Modern Christianity, Contributor, [November 1882], 4:2, 65.)
dozen years before McConkie published his book, President J. Reuben Clark made some remarks in a Conference address about that great and abominable church, the whore of all the earth.... I am not going to say what that church is, he said cryptically, though I have a very definite and clear idea. (President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, April 1946, p.156.)
It is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable church. Nephi saw this church which is the most abominable above all other churches in vision. He saw the devil that he was the foundation of it and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that historically have been a part of this satanic organization.(McConkie [1958], 130.)
Then speaking of harlots in the figurative sense, he [Nephi] designated the Catholic Church as the mother of harlots... (Ibid., 314-315.)
[Under the heading, Church of the Devil] The Roman Catholic Church specifically singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being most abominable above all other churches (I Ne. 13:5). (Ibid., 129.)
The effects of greed and entitlement are evident in the multimillion-dollar bonuses of some corporate executives. But the examples are more widespread than that. Greed and ideas of entitlement have also fueled the careless and widespread borrowing and excessive consumerism behind the financial crises that threaten to engulf the world.
" Only True Church" yet they all 3 live by different teachings in the BOM, and disagree on Mormon truth? Yet we should go to You for Truth? Why? All 3 can't be "True"
Hey this is a dishonest account. Wheres the part where Joseph shoots & kills 2 of the 'mobsters'? & the part where Joseph & the gang are all drinking alcohol beforehand? & the part where he gives the MASONIC distress call "Oh Lord my god [is there no help for the widows son"]? as documented by J.Taylor in (Hist.of the Church Vol. 7 pg 100-103)
Im sick of being lied at by the Church. A lie of omission is the worst lie of all.
If I cant trust the Church for the truth about JS then who??
After the mob (of 200+ men) began firing shots into the room and had killed Hyrum, Joseph fired 3 shots. For me, this doesn't change the story-he acted in defense of his brethren.
He then rushed to the window, not for any escape, but again in hopes of saving his brethren. He knew that he would die regardless, but by doing so, saved the lives of the others in the room.
You imply that the Church is trying to hide these facts, yet your quoted source is the official History of the Church?
These romantisized movies are part of a deceptive scheme. The members are enclined to believe that thats the way it really happened.
If JS knew he was going down & wanted to protect his brethren why didnt he come out BEFORE the shooting started? Why didnt he die saying "Father dont hold this sin against them" like real martyrs for Christ did?
He wasnt even killed for Christ, it was because he had a printing press destroyed. He went out dragging as many souls with him as he could.
I don't think Joseph knew for sure that he would die until the mob started shooting and killed Hyrum.
I find it interesting that you put so much pressure on the man to find the "right words" in his dying moment. If you were put in that situation, do you think you could find the exact right words that would please generations?
He absolutely was killed because of his beliefs. If it was about a printing press, that could have been solved in the courtroom. These men were out for blood.
in 1823, Joseph Smith said he was also visited by an angel named Moroni, who told him of an ancient record containing God's dealings with the former inhabitants of the American continent.
Joseph Smith was truly a Prophet of God. SIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a liar. lds9999 Acts 7:55-56 the key statement was that Stephen saw the GLORY of God. It is not figuratively speaking. It is like when Moses ask to see GOD and God told him that his glory will pass him. No man can see God's face and live.
"Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."
Scripture does reference the glory of God but clearly says TWICE that he saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God. If Stephen couldn't see God, what then was Jesus standing on the right hand of?
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Colossians 1:15&16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
"But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens bopened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."
the only reason why you are LDS is cause you grew up that way you never had a choice your religion was put in front of you without any other options trust me I know i live in salt lake
Unbelievable how you claim to know the minds, hearts and experiences of every Latter-day Saint. To make such a generalization is unfortunately ignorant.
Yes you notice that the darker side of human nature is to attack with overwhelming numbers especially those who were not actively seeking harm to them in any way. Mob mentality, the Salem witch trials come to mind. It also reminds me of the Pharisees and Saducees who had to illegally try during the night and execute Jesus Christ breaking even many of their own laws to do so. The truth is the truth and always will be the gospel of Jesus Christ is the most important thing we have period.
....Man is made of two parts,his spirit and his body....Adam's body was made of the dust of this earth...his spirit was made in heaven. Look at it this way...our good and decent Protestant brothers offer the world the Gospel of Jesus Christ at the elementary school level...and that is good and necessary in order to move on to the University...That's where we come in,The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints offers teachings at the "University" level.
what the heck lds9999 ha ha are you nuts . . . . ? :) No . . . You are the man who does not conform to what is easy to conform too! Thanks for standing strong! The Book of Mormon is the word of God, and the Backyardprofessor is doing a great work openning eyes to the EMPERICAL audience, which will never prevail, the spirit reveals, not bones in the ground
Satan was NOT Gods son. He was an ANGEL! Lucifer was created by God, as were all other angels (Ephesians 3:9). Lucifer was a "covering" cherub, or angel
Cory, I don't disagree with the Biblical story or the scriptures you have quoted. In fact, I agree with it! We believe that Satan (Lucifer) is a fallen angel who was cast out of heaven with 1/3 of the host of heaven.
The remaining 2/3 were those who were given the opportunity to come to earth and receive a physical body.
The difference is that we believe that we are all the offspring of God and that He is the Father of ALL because as you said, Lucifer was created by God.
WHAT? And where does it say this in the bible It doesn't. We were NOT once angels. The 2/3rd remained in heaven, remained worshipping Jesus. We weren't angels and given human bodies. What the heck? Are you nuts?
Haha, I like how you end every response with a question like "Are you crazy?" Focus on the issues, not the personal attacks Cory.
Let me copy and paste something since you like to do that as well. :)
Latter-day scripture greatly expands our understanding of the events that took place in heaven prior to man's physical creation described in Genesis. Although these events are hinted at in the Bible, they are generally difficult to understand without additional help.
Some Bible scholars have discovered that the earliest Christians understood these teachings about the pre-existence of man and shared this knowledge until it was condemned by the Council of Constantinople in 553 A.D. Many early Christian writers such as Just Martyr, Augustine, Cyril of Jerusalem, Clement of Rome, Origen, Peierius, John of Jerusalem, Rufinus and Nemesis believed these doctrines.
The writer of Clementine Recognitions affirmed this view teaching, "For this reason the world has existed through the ages, so that the spirits destined to come here might fulfill their number, and here make their choice between the upper and the lower worlds.
This principle was also taught by Origen in 220 A.D. in his essay "On First Principles." He there described an initial spiritual creation of Heaven and Earth and the spirits of all the later inhabitants of the physical creation.
The doctrine of pre-existence, Cory, is not only in the Bible but it is all over early Christianity. Have you ever researched early Christianity?
In fact, I'm really glad you brought this up. This is actually great insight into the pre-existence. I thought you didn't believe that we existed before this earth; in fact, you said that ONLY Christ pre-existed. Well, what about all of these other players in the story?
I'm glad that you are coming to understand the pre-existence, that we existed before this earth.
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and HIS ANGELS were cast out with him. " ANGELS were cast out! Satan was an ANGEL. Jeswus is GOD! According to the bible which you don't believe.
According to the bible. Satan is an ANGEL, Jesus is GOD, and YOU are a SOUL! "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:7-9
The Bible states that all of King Zedekiah's sons were killed.
Jeremiah 39:6 "Then the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah in Riblah before his eyes."
Contrary to the Bible, the Book of Mormon claims that one son of King Zedekiah escaped destruction and came to the Americas.
Heleman 6:10 "the land north was called Mulek, which was after the son of Zedekiah; for the Lord did bring Mulek into the land north" (See also Heleman 8:21).
The first clue of the existence and escape of Mulek, son of Zedekiah, can be found in 2 Kings 25:1-10, which reports that Nebuchadrezzar and "all his host" scattered "all the men" and "all [the king's] army" and burnt "all the houses of Jerusalem," and with "all the army" they destroyed the walls. In the midst of all this, however, 2 Kings 25:7 omits the word all when it reports only that "the sons" of Zedekiah were killed, leaving open the question whether all of his sons were slain.
"Recently, an ancient seal was discovered in Jerusalmen bearing the title, "Malkiyahu the son of the king." This may very well be a seal from the Mulek, the son of King Zedekiah. This is entirely plausible based on what we know of ancient Israel and the information in the Book of Mormon and the Bible." - Jeff Lindsay
I can give you the link if you'd like to study this topic. Based on your track record though, I am disappointed to say that you will probably not follow up & research
Satan was the lead worshipper in heaven in charge of all the worship. He wanted to become like God and told all the angels to worship him. A third of the angels worahiupped Satan. God cried when he found iniquity in Satan. he made him the most beautiful angel. That is why he was called Lucifer..the light angel. God then cast down to earth Satan and the 1/3rd of angels that worshipped him and they fell to earth becoming demons.
First of all, GOD cast Satan out of heaven. It's plainly written in the Bible, GOD's holy word. Look in Revelation ch.12 vers.7-12. It points straight out that there was a war in heaven between Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels. Michael and his angels defeated Satan and his angels easily.
we and everyone should be directing our every question to Him in prayer. "What does this scripture mean? Should I just believe what I interpret it as, or should I 'ask of God'? Will He really give unto me liberally, and not upbraid?" With faith in prayer, we can know all things that are expedient for our welfare. "Is the Book of Mormon true? Was it really written by ancient prophets and translated by a modern? Should I just believe what I interpret it as, or should I 'ask of God'?
THIS, after having read, is what makes the difference. Joseph didn't ever receive visions or revelations without first praying for knowledge. He trusted in the scripture in James 1:5 which says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
It is something that the whole world and even most of us Mormons forgets to do in faith. With all of the questioning of what the Bible really says on its pages,
I don't know if you ever got to the end of the book, but someone named Moroni, who was a Prophet, invites all people who read the book to ponder its message--to not be closed-minded about it, but to ponder what it says. And then to "ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true. And if ye will ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, He will manifest the truth of it unto you by the power of the Holy Ghost."
As a response to this need, we believe that the Lord called a man to be a Prophet, like in ancient times. Now understand me. A man. Not any more special than any other man. Actually, a man less-educated than most men at the time. Joseph Smith did the will of the Father and the Son.
But on to my point. Like I said, you need to read the Book of Mormon in its entirety, because you will never understand what it really says without it. But that is not the end of it. It still won't be enough.
Thus, it is up to the reader to determine in what manner the Lord was baptized. And though to you and me it may not seem like an important factor, it has created a lot of controversy. Why do you think there are so many Christian religions, sects and cults in the world today? Because of that simple fact. The Bible can be interpreted in SO many different ways, and each of us individually chooses what to believe or not to believe. Ultimately, we all need to know what is the TRUTH.
Yet still, it gets a point across. But only vaguely. For instance: the baptism of Jesus. Matthew 3:15-16- And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him.
This is a very vague scripture. Not specific in the manner fo baptism
If you aren't going to believe the bible and the whole bible than you are truly lost. Jesus says blessed are those that hear the word of God and obey it. If you are not going to believe the bible fully but follow your false doctrine as warned buy Jesus Christ himself than you are lost.
Mormon beliefs contradict the word of God that is how we know it to be false. We are souls. We will NEVER become a God. God was NEVER a soul.
You MUST understand each word of the Book of Mormon to understand what it really teaches. For yourself. I have heard countless--COUNTLESS, Cory--citations of Book of Mormon scriptures that are either incomplete or distorted. That is the way people are able to contradict what it says with what the Bible says. The Bible, a Book I love and revere, speaks of Christ and His teachings--but after the death of Christ, parts were removed either partially or entirely. It is incomplete.
The bible is incomplete. Excuse me? Jesus said to add or take away a word from his book is worthy of eternal condemnation. Mormon beliefs are especially false because they contradict the word of of GOd 100%. You believe you will become a God...That is totally against the bible! Not only that but Jesus even warned of an angel (Moroni) preaching a false gosepel . Wake up!
Cory. Cory, Cory, Cory. I have been among the most stone-hard catholic Christians for the last two years. I have heard just about every little thing you have listed here. Something that people that try to convince us don't understand is that they're not coming up with new stuff. Most of us have heard these things over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER.........let me tell you why you need to read the Book of Mormon IN ITS ENTIRETY before you say one thing more:
One cannot hear, believe, repent or confess on behalf of another person. Neither can one be baptized on behalf of another (Mark 16:16; Acts 8:12). When one has died, it is too late for him to obey the Lord (Hebrews 9:27). There is no second chance after death.
. The Mormon Church is not the true church of the Bible! It is a cult founded by a man. It teaches false doctrines which will cause one to be lost (Galatians 1:6-9; Matthew 7:15-23).
Cory, please explain how Mark 16:16 and Acts 8:12 can be effectively used to make your point here? I've read them and don't see how this forbids being baptized on behalf of another person? (We are in agreement that one cannot hear, believe or repent for someone else.)
You say "There is no second chance after death." Again, what about those people who never got the FIRST chance, who never even heard about Jesus Christ in this life? What then Cory?
The Mormon teachings do line up with the word of God. If they did not, I would have left a long time ago.
You did not answer my questions Cory. What about the millions/billions of people who never heard of Jesus Christ? Are they all damned to hell in your belief?
Doesn't such a belief arise doubt within you about your beliefs? How could a loving and just God never even GIVE millions, or even billions, or people the CHANCE to accept Jesus Christ and His gospel?
That does not make sense to me. A loving and just God would not damn billions of people to hell without even giving them the opportunity to accept Jesus.
Mormons also practice "baptism for the dead." They believe one can be baptized on behalf of another person who has died. The Bible teaches man must obey for himself. Each one must hear the Gospel for himself (Romans 10:17; Acts 18:8). Each one must believe for himself (John 8:24). Each must repent of his own sins before he can be baptized (Acts 2:38). Each person must confess Christ for himself to be saved (Matthew 10:32,33).
I support all the scriptures you use here. We do not deny that everyone is responsible for their own actions. However, John 3:5 says that men must be baptized to be saved.
What then of the millions (even billions) of people who have died NEVER even hearing about Jesus Christ? We believe that a just God provides the opportunity to everyone to accept Jesus.
What do you believe? Do you believe that God damns all of those people to hell who never even had the chance? Please answer this Cory
Mormons believe one man can have many wives. They do not practice polygamy publicly any longer because it is against the law in many nations. While God permitted polygamy and divorce in the Old Testament, it was not a part of His original plan (Matthew 19:3-9). Jesus restored God's original plan which is "one man, one wife - for life!" God's plan for marriage today is for "each man to have his own wife" (1 Corinthians 7:2).
You say "Mormons do not practice polygamy publicly any longer." Actually, Mormons do not practice polygamy at all--publicly or privately.
If polygamy was "not a part of His original plan" as you have said, then why did prophets in the Old Testament practice it? Why would God allow such a thing?
The answer is because God can direct His prophets and people to do certain things at certain times. I agree that God's plan for marriage today is one man and one wife.
Mormons believe the priesthood of Aaron continues to this day. The Bible teaches that the priesthood has been changed (Hebrews 7:12). Today, Jesus Christ is the Christians' high priest (Hebrews 4:14-16). Jesus is "a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 7:14-21). Mormons believe men can become priests "after the order of Melchizedek."According to the Bible, only Jesus Christ can be such a priest.
Hebrews speaks of Jesus as the High Priest, and explains that Jesus is called "the Apostle and High Priest of our profession" (Hebrews 3:1). He is certainly THE Apostle and THE High Priest, but that does not mean that He is the only one. There were other Apostles, and there could also be other high priests. In fact, the New Testament indicates that Christians held the priesthood (1 Peter 2:5,9; Rev 1:6; 5:10; 20:6).
Cory, answer the questions I've posed. Instead you simply try to change the subject to something like the Davinci Code.
It's okay to admit that you in fact know little about our faith and have simply repeated the criticisms of others, without doing any research. I'd invite you to read the Book of Mormon.
Jesus is the ONLY God. There are NO other Gods besides him. He is from the eternal past. He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is GOD. God manifest into flesh. There is no one like him nor will there ever be. And the saved will marry him and worship him for ALL eternity in the New Jerusalem onthis World. That is what the bible teaches and this you don't believe.
I believe that Jesus Christ is God, manifest in the flesh. That He is the Alpha and Omega, that we are saved by Him, that we will worship Him for all eternity. I see no problems with these statements.
Yes I obey ALL of Jesus's commands. I have lustful thoughts just like everyone else. I am not perfect but I do rebuke the thoughts in the name of Jesus. I have already given you many contradictions from the two books. You obviously didn't read what I sent you.
You have copied and pasted what you found on a website were "contradictions." I've read them all and have responded to most. Thus far, you are silent to almost all of my questions and responses.
Cory, here's a challenge for you. Get a copy of the Book of Mormon, get a copy of the Bible. Read them both for yourself, and try to find some contradictions. You'll read them cover to cover and still be searching! :)
The Mormon Church has a wrong understanding of God. We must believe in the true God in order to be saved (Ephesians 4:4-6; Hebrews 11:6). The Bible teaches there is only one true God (1 Timothy 2:5; James 2:19). Mormons, however, believe in many gods. They believe Adam was the god who created the earth. They believe every man can become a god. This is contrary to the teaching of the Bible that "God is Spirit" (John 4:24).
Mormons do not believe that Adam "was the god who created the earth."
We believe the earth was created just as described in John 1 - by Jesus Christ.
Where are your sources about these things? Oh wait...you wouldn't be able to give them because just copied and pasted from somewhere and aren't really familiar with the topics. :)
Again, the Biblical writers would not have known about the Christians on the other side of the world. Therefore it is not surprising that they would note what they knew about. There is no discrepancy here.
The writer of Acts would not have known about the Christians on the other side of the world. Thus, it is not surprising that he would record the first instance that he knew of that disciples were called Christians. There is no discrepancy here.
This is one of the silliest ones and actually one that has fallen out of favor with most critics. First, if you believe that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon and that it wasn't inspired, don't you find it ABSURD to think that he would know so many details about Middle Eastern culture and even the exact place where Jesus was baptized, but not know the most basic fact about the birth of Jesus Christ?
It has been shown that this style of reference is consistent with usage in the Middle East.
It is important to note what Alma's words were. He did not claim Jesus would be born in the city of Jerusalem, but "at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers."
The town of Bethlehem is in the "land of Jerusalem." In fact, Bethlehem is only 5 miles south of Jerusalem: definitely "in the land," especially from the perspective of Alma, a continent away. Even locals considered Hebron, twenty five miles from Bethlehem, to be in the "land of Jerusalem
Cory, I've seen the video. A rebuttal has been done of it. Can I send it to you?
Are you depending on evidence for your faith? So far, I know of no archaeological evidence to prove the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Yet, that is the most fundamental part of Christianity and I believe in it whole-heartedly. God requires faith on our part
What research has "proved" the Book of Mormon to be false? Specifics, and it would be great if you'd use your own thoughts instead of using the copy/paste
****LDS - believe God, as a resurrected, physical man, is literal Father of Jesus - same manner in which men are conceived on earth - believe Matt 1:18 in error.
****Bible - says Mary was ". . . with child of the Holy Ghost." (Matt 1:18)
I don't mean to be rude Cory, but you're sounding like a broken record. You have not responded to my comments below. Why not?
My guess would be that it takes real research to understand these concepts and that you are satisfied with your one-liner. If that is the case, fine--but don't try to deceive others about something you know very little, or nothing, about.
Everything I need to know is written in the bible. We need to test the prohpets to see if they are of God. Since joes book contradicts the word of God we know him to be false. You are resisting the truth by following a book that goes against what the bible says.
Cory, I've responded to almost all of the (many) comments that you copied from elsewhere about the supposed contradictions. Have you read my responses yet? I urge you to answer the questions.
You don't know that the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible because (for the umpteenth time)--you've never read it!
I have read enough of the book to see all the contradictions. OBVIOUSLY, you see the contradictions if of course you have read the New Testament which I hope you will read through it with a highlighter. I know you are not dumb but you are totally ignoring the contradictions. You seem not to care that the mormon book is prooven by the bible to be wrong.
Cory, be completely honest. How many pages of the Book of Mormon have you read? Full pages. 1? 3? 10?
I have studied the New Testament (yes, even with a highlighter--actually a red pencil to highlight). The contradictions aren't there Cory--read them both in their entirety and come back with your own research. I am confident you will change your mind. You may not think that the Mormon religion is correct for whatever reason, but you won't find the contradictions you think you will.
****LDS - Is a separate God from Father and Son - different from Holy Spirit - Holy Ghost is a person - Holy Spirit is influence from Father and not personal
****Bible - Same Greek word used for Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit (I Cor 3:16 and 6:19).
****LDS - Means Celestial Kingdom - only those in Celestial Kingdom are in God's presence. Those in Terrestrial or Telestial Kingdoms aren't in presence of Father.
****Bible - All redeemed will be in God's presence. (Rev. 21:1-3). All believers are part of Kingdom. (Matt. 13:41-43)
Cory, could you please give me your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:40-42
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.
Along those same lines, what then was Paul referring to in 2 Corinthians 12:2:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Cory, what does Paul mean when he talks about the "third heaven?" Look at this in correlation with 1 Corinthians 15:40-42.
The words Moroni spoke to Joseph are as true today as they ever were, that his name would be had for good an evil throughout the whole world.
They will one day see that Joseph was God's prophet.
JackNimble61 7 months ago
did the church release this video? this is inaccurate. i don't get why they didn't give a completely accurate account of joseph's murder... or of him translating? would it not be alright for people to see how it really happened? it shouldn't affect anyone's faith...
tamasandy 1 year ago
Joseph Smith: Today we have two bookend posts that mark the beginning and end of Joseph Smith's life. First is a gorgeous photo of "Joseph's Birthplace Memorial At Dusk." And secondly is a blog memorial of Joseph Smith's death that includes recent photos of Carthage Jail: "O Give Me Back My Prophet Dear."
omiolo 1 year ago
y it be as god reveals in th name of krishna
thuggie1 1 year ago
Readers can tell which writer is living a life most in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ by observing how much love and respect they show to those with whom they disagree. If someone is calling other people names, using hateful language, or showing other signs of a heart full of negativity, you know not to trust what they say as truth. If you want real information, speak to someone who is respectful and reasonable.
jamgord 1 year ago 8
'tis true. Those negative things are a sign of the lack of controling ones emotions. A manifestation of a wild and lawless mind...or to some degree.
battlerosesx 1 year ago
The gospel is true !!!
skyaglow 2 years ago 3
The man has not died in vain. The Standard of Truth has been erected, and miracles will never cease to happen until that day when Christ himself will descend from the Heavens. I commit to serving God as much as I can and preparing the World as much as possible before my death for that day.
LDSseminaryStudent 2 years ago
I commit to worthily serve the Lord as of this year hence; I promise to be a molester and agitator of the dominion of Satan; helping to loosen his grip that he has on many innocent souls.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
The trial of public opinion regarding Joseph Smith continues today without ceasing... only the faithless and godless rise up against his testimony; the one that was sealed in his own blood. Death can not conquer the hero ever again!
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
If I could witness any five moments in history they would be the following (Not in order of the event I would see first):
-Christ risen from the sepulcrhe
-Christ's visitation to the americas
-Joseph Smith translating
-Christ in the manger
-Moses parting the red seas OH YEAH!
To see one of those would be the experience of a life time, yet something even more priceless, and it would be more meaningful than all the scripture on Earth, would be just one minute beyond the veil. Miracles happen!
LDSseminaryStudent 2 years ago
This testimony made the Christians feared Joseph Smith ever since, even to this very day.
leSavaii 2 years ago 3
What they don't acknowledge is that Satan is the common denominator. If Satan was behind our church, why would there be strenuous efforts to destroy it? Jesus Christ himself said, "A kingdom divided amongst itself can not stand."
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
FALSE!!!!!
5va 2 years ago
TRUE!!!!!
lds9999 2 years ago 8
WHAT IS MORMON SEMINARY?
Seminary is a four-year rotation of classes where Mormons ages 14-18 study the four books considered the foundation of the Mormon faith
omiolo 2 years ago
heh heh heh heh heh
5UCCUBU55 2 years ago
wow powerful testimony and I know its true !
skyaglow 2 years ago
You were raised to believe it to be true!!! There's a difference!!!
5va 2 years ago
Many of us were raised in the gospel, but every man has come to his own decision about the church and its teachings. Everyone who believes in the gospel is, in his own way, a convert.
EbonyShadow07 2 years ago 4
Why suppress the testimony of faithful seekers regardless if they grew up in the gospel or not? all must come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ whether it be by conversion apart from family ties or through faithful parents that raise their children unto the Lord?
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago 2
To tell you the truth Ive considered it from time to time, Comming back that is but right now would obviously be a bad time. Like ive said I just have a hard time believing some of the teachings when many of them "at least in my opinion" have been proven false. Ive also heard many racial accusations against the church and although I haven't came to any conclusion on those I will be looking into them with an open mind as well. But I will keep praying although right now im not going to church.
bobmood1985 2 years ago
If you have trouble with any of the teachings, I'd encourage you to talk to someone about them. Send me a message sometime. The DNA thing is a perfect example--it is very easy to construe the "evidence" to make something appear false. However, with the right context, that is an easy concern to make logical sense out of.
Anyway, keep praying, stay open, and keep the possibilities open. There will be lots of people to welcome you back when you're ready for that decision.
lds9999 2 years ago
hey good luck on your quest sir! I pray God answers your questions and prayers. I know he will.
MrJaybart 2 years ago
How do you know he will? how do you know he even exists? what would the world been if there wasn't a God?
(A: No difference because God don't exists.)
AndrasAnders 2 years ago
I appreciate you putting that into perspective for me because that was one of the main reasons I left the church. But there seems to be alot of competition among church members about those kind of things. But I'll be honest I went into the church with an open mind But I don't think my heart was where it should have been or I could never have accepted the prophets that lead the church. But Some of the nicest people I meant were within the church while some were distant. But I am not here to judge
bobmood1985 2 years ago
None of the members of the Church are perfect. If the Church was for pefect people, the pews would certainly be empty on Sunday! :)
I understand that there can be circumstances where people can say things or imply things that are hurtful. Have I ever been offended by another church member? You bet, just like I've been offended by people at school, work, and essentially any group in which I've spent a lot of time. It's inevitable at some point because of our imperfections.
lds9999 2 years ago
I'm glad you brought an open mind when you joined the Church. You mentioned that you don't think your heart was where it should have been.
Have you considered coming back, with an open mind and open heart? No need to give me an answer, but I hope you would consider it in prayer.
lds9999 2 years ago 2
I know many of you won't believe me but the doctrine where Joseph Smith says Native Americans were direct descendents of isreal have been proven by DNA evidence to be false.
I know I'm gonna get all of the same messeges from all of you saying that I know this church is true and Joseph smith and Thomas Monson are true prophets of God. But don't bother because I know theyve been making you say that since you were 2.
bobmood1985 2 years ago
I hope the DNA issue is not the reason you really left the Church.
Do you believe that there were no inhabitants on the American continent before the Book of Mormon people arrived? Of course there were!
And how many people came with Lehi, for example? 15-20? Imagine joining a continent where there could potentially be millions of people here before.
2500 years later, how diluted would the DNA of 15 people be among millions?
lds9999 2 years ago
Actually there were more reasons I left the church. I don't agree with the family proclamation because it doesn't and shouldn't apply to every member of the church. I don't believe that if someone doesn't get married and be fruitful and multiply that the are undeserving of going to a higher level of heaven. My Bible says that Those who believe in me meaning "Jesus Christ" shall not persish but have everlasting life. Christ didn't come to fullfill the law meaning we don't have to earn our way.
bobmood1985 2 years ago
"While this family unit is the ideal, many Church members find themselves in a variety of other circumstances. Some are not married, but have good support from their parents or siblings. Others may not have support from an extended family. The gospel of Jesus Christ was given by God to bless all His children, without exception, regardless of the family situations in which they find themselves. The gospel provides a brotherhood and sisterhood to strengthen and help all God's children.
lds9999 2 years ago
That quote is from lds*org and I believe answers your concern. The Church recognizes that not every person will have the opportunity to be married in this life.
lds9999 2 years ago
Given the very limited geographical area they could have lived, it's not hard to fathom. God will reveal His truths in His due time.
JackNimble61 2 years ago
Noah and Moses did less?
mattsmoski3737 2 years ago
mormons: 1. Deify "man", 2. Humanize GOD, 3. Deify/Exalt satan, the (mormon) Spirit Bother of Jesus, 4: Reject the Deity of JESUS CHRIST, 5: Minimize SIN, 6: Discount HELL, 7: REJECT, and Don't Preach The CROSS, 8: ATTACK the DVINE AUTHORITY of the BIBLE, 9: TWIST The SCRIPTURES, to make them SAY what they WANT them to say, & DENY the HOLY TRINITY, etc THATs MORE Important than ALL Joe Smiths FALSE Prophecies & EVIL DEEDS, combined. The REAL JESUS said "SEARCH The SCRPTURES". THEY TESTIFY TO HIM
reverendluke 2 years ago
reverendluke, I think you win the award for being able to fit more lies and half-truths into one 500-character comment than any I've seen before. Congratulations.
Too bad you tried to spam it on to lots of my videos. Classy as well.
lds9999 2 years ago
I know the Book of Mormon the Holy Bible to be the word of God. I've completely read both several times. They compliment each other. They both contain God's words for us!
I have a grandfather who was imprisoned for something he didn't do. He knew Joseph Smith personally. While in jail he was offered a large bag of money if he would betray Joseph Smith. He would not, though he was very poor, denounce the Prophet. Nor will I!
Rockwellflats 2 years ago
Pratt and McConkie were not alone, however, in their classification of the Roman church as the great abominable church. In 1882, for instance, an article in the Contributor claimed that many scriptures (including ones from Revelation) point to the Roman Catholic power as that great and abominable church. (Inconsistencies of Modern Christianity, Contributor, [November 1882], 4:2, 65.)
cont.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
dozen years before McConkie published his book, President J. Reuben Clark made some remarks in a Conference address about that great and abominable church, the whore of all the earth.... I am not going to say what that church is, he said cryptically, though I have a very definite and clear idea. (President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, April 1946, p.156.)
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
It is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable church. Nephi saw this church which is the most abominable above all other churches in vision. He saw the devil that he was the foundation of it and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that historically have been a part of this satanic organization.(McConkie [1958], 130.)
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
Then speaking of harlots in the figurative sense, he [Nephi] designated the Catholic Church as the mother of harlots... (Ibid., 314-315.)
[Under the heading, Church of the Devil] The Roman Catholic Church specifically singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being most abominable above all other churches (I Ne. 13:5). (Ibid., 129.)
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
The effects of greed and entitlement are evident in the multimillion-dollar bonuses of some corporate executives. But the examples are more widespread than that. Greed and ideas of entitlement have also fueled the careless and widespread borrowing and excessive consumerism behind the financial crises that threaten to engulf the world.
omiolo 2 years ago 2
LDS, FLDS, RLDS all say they are the
" Only True Church" yet they all 3 live by different teachings in the BOM, and disagree on Mormon truth? Yet we should go to You for Truth? Why? All 3 can't be "True"
Someone is Lying?
godstruthislove 2 years ago
you are SPAMMING this on videos.
Why do ANTImormons like to spam?
omiolo 2 years ago
I'M SPAMMING this on videos?
ha ha ha ! Yeah sure thing!
No it is YOU who is SPAMMING on the video , and EVERY VIDEO about Mormons on youtube!!
You and the guy " LDSTrueChurch" have a post on all most all of the Mormon Videos!
I bet you are the same guy!
godstruthislove 2 years ago
The fact is you did spam it on this and other videos.
As far as I've seen, omiolo responds to comments on many LDS videos, but he does not copy and paste comments onto multiple videos.
That is what you did. That is why it is spam.
lds9999 2 years ago
Hey this is a dishonest account. Wheres the part where Joseph shoots & kills 2 of the 'mobsters'? & the part where Joseph & the gang are all drinking alcohol beforehand? & the part where he gives the MASONIC distress call "Oh Lord my god [is there no help for the widows son"]? as documented by J.Taylor in (Hist.of the Church Vol. 7 pg 100-103)
Im sick of being lied at by the Church. A lie of omission is the worst lie of all.
If I cant trust the Church for the truth about JS then who??
blackblade789 2 years ago
After the mob (of 200+ men) began firing shots into the room and had killed Hyrum, Joseph fired 3 shots. For me, this doesn't change the story-he acted in defense of his brethren.
He then rushed to the window, not for any escape, but again in hopes of saving his brethren. He knew that he would die regardless, but by doing so, saved the lives of the others in the room.
You imply that the Church is trying to hide these facts, yet your quoted source is the official History of the Church?
lds9999 2 years ago
These romantisized movies are part of a deceptive scheme. The members are enclined to believe that thats the way it really happened.
If JS knew he was going down & wanted to protect his brethren why didnt he come out BEFORE the shooting started? Why didnt he die saying "Father dont hold this sin against them" like real martyrs for Christ did?
He wasnt even killed for Christ, it was because he had a printing press destroyed. He went out dragging as many souls with him as he could.
blackblade789 2 years ago
I don't think Joseph knew for sure that he would die until the mob started shooting and killed Hyrum.
I find it interesting that you put so much pressure on the man to find the "right words" in his dying moment. If you were put in that situation, do you think you could find the exact right words that would please generations?
He absolutely was killed because of his beliefs. If it was about a printing press, that could have been solved in the courtroom. These men were out for blood.
lds9999 2 years ago
It sounds like you are stating that Joseph's murder was justified?
Joseph was a great prophet of God.
djwright44 2 years ago
Oh NO! I have been Block but the Faith that has the keys to God,s Kingdom!
PLEASE LET ME POST! PLEASE!!!!!!!
Ha ha ha ha!
The Truth is the last thing you want getting out!
godstruthislove 2 years ago
What are you talking about? You haven't been blocked.
lds9999 2 years ago
in 1823, Joseph Smith said he was also visited by an angel named Moroni, who told him of an ancient record containing God's dealings with the former inhabitants of the American continent.
omiolo 2 years ago 4
While working in Harmony, Pennsylvania, in 1825, Joseph Smith met Emma Hale. On January 18, 1827, Joseph and Emma were married
omiolo 2 years ago 4
Joseph Smith was truly a Prophet of God. SIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a liar. lds9999 Acts 7:55-56 the key statement was that Stephen saw the GLORY of God. It is not figuratively speaking. It is like when Moses ask to see GOD and God told him that his glory will pass him. No man can see God's face and live.
breezwonder 2 years ago
"Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."
Scripture does reference the glory of God but clearly says TWICE that he saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God. If Stephen couldn't see God, what then was Jesus standing on the right hand of?
lds9999 2 years ago
The glory of God. The scriptures also says he is a spirit. Do you agree with that?
caprison 2 years ago
"The scriptures also says he is a spirit. Do you agree with that? "
clearly God has a Spirit.
omiolo 2 years ago
omiolo - "clearly God has a Spirit."
Clearly God is Spirit.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The context of the verse does not change the meaning of that verse in anyway as well. Please read it and let me know what you think.
What do you define as Spirit omiolo? Do we disagree on what a Spirit is?
caprison 2 years ago
Joseph Smith's vision is a LIE because nobody can see God.
God is a spirit, invisible and NOT a man !
anoifromlondon 2 years ago
How do you know God is invisible?
lds9999 2 years ago
God is invisible because the bible says so !
It proves that Joseph Smith's vision is a BIG LIE !!!
Anyway the true church was restored by God in the Philippines in 1914 called the IGLESIA NI CRISTO.
anoifromlondon 2 years ago
Please share scriptures.
lds9999 2 years ago
John 4:23-24
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
caprison 2 years ago
Does not say God is "invisible."
lds9999 2 years ago
Can you see spirits lds9999?
How about these then.
Colossians 1:15&16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
caprison 2 years ago
Can Got not show himself to man?
Remember Stephen's experience (Acts 7:55-56)
"But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens bopened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."
The Bible supports a vision like Joseph Smith's.
lds9999 2 years ago
Galatians 1:8: But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you another gospel, let him be accursed.
That finished my faith in the church of LDS
DANEo2o2 2 years ago
What is your definition of the gospel?
Better yet, what is Paul's definition of the gospel? (Hint: 1 Corinthians 15)
lds9999 2 years ago
the only reason why you are LDS is cause you grew up that way you never had a choice your religion was put in front of you without any other options trust me I know i live in salt lake
ridethespiral23 2 years ago 2
Unbelievable how you claim to know the minds, hearts and experiences of every Latter-day Saint. To make such a generalization is unfortunately ignorant.
lds9999 2 years ago
All religions are batty, but the mormons are the craziest of all of them, without a doubt.
mikester76 2 years ago
"but the mormons are the craziest of all of them"
typically the IGNORANT criticize and mock things they can NOT or will NOT understand. All the rest of us can do is help those IGNORANT get educated.
omiolo 2 years ago
Now fast forward to 2009!
Would Mormon people do this today?
Ahh, No, they would not,
yet LDS can't understand why people think their faith is very wrong.
godstruthislove 2 years ago
Yes you notice that the darker side of human nature is to attack with overwhelming numbers especially those who were not actively seeking harm to them in any way. Mob mentality, the Salem witch trials come to mind. It also reminds me of the Pharisees and Saducees who had to illegally try during the night and execute Jesus Christ breaking even many of their own laws to do so. The truth is the truth and always will be the gospel of Jesus Christ is the most important thing we have period.
pangeanet 2 years ago
Thank you very much Joseph and Hyrum. You are an insperation to us all
gbthecoach 2 years ago 2
This video never fails to give me the chills when he looks through that window when he is pulled from underneath the bed.
ConnorUFO 2 years ago 2
Wow, how brave was that? Like shooting fish in a barrel, only it was humans. Those guys must have felt very manly after doing this.
mjhanagan 3 years ago
....Man is made of two parts,his spirit and his body....Adam's body was made of the dust of this earth...his spirit was made in heaven. Look at it this way...our good and decent Protestant brothers offer the world the Gospel of Jesus Christ at the elementary school level...and that is good and necessary in order to move on to the University...That's where we come in,The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints offers teachings at the "University" level.
lenopalmer 3 years ago
I think it's even more crazy then what normal christians claim
6The6Beast6 3 years ago
what the heck lds9999 ha ha are you nuts . . . . ? :) No . . . You are the man who does not conform to what is easy to conform too! Thanks for standing strong! The Book of Mormon is the word of God, and the Backyardprofessor is doing a great work openning eyes to the EMPERICAL audience, which will never prevail, the spirit reveals, not bones in the ground
jacecrawford 3 years ago
Haha, thanks! :)
lds9999 3 years ago
and you are a crazy and nuts man!
jacecrawford 3 years ago
lds9999 you are the man!
jacecrawford 3 years ago
Satan was NOT Gods son. He was an ANGEL! Lucifer was created by God, as were all other angels (Ephesians 3:9). Lucifer was a "covering" cherub, or angel
coryhello 3 years ago
Cory, I don't disagree with the Biblical story or the scriptures you have quoted. In fact, I agree with it! We believe that Satan (Lucifer) is a fallen angel who was cast out of heaven with 1/3 of the host of heaven.
The remaining 2/3 were those who were given the opportunity to come to earth and receive a physical body.
lds9999 3 years ago
The difference is that we believe that we are all the offspring of God and that He is the Father of ALL because as you said, Lucifer was created by God.
lds9999 3 years ago
We were NOT in heaven once. Adam was created form the dust of the ground. He ws NOT in heaven before that. Are you crazy?
coryhello 3 years ago
WHAT? And where does it say this in the bible It doesn't. We were NOT once angels. The 2/3rd remained in heaven, remained worshipping Jesus. We weren't angels and given human bodies. What the heck? Are you nuts?
coryhello 3 years ago
Haha, I like how you end every response with a question like "Are you crazy?" Focus on the issues, not the personal attacks Cory.
Let me copy and paste something since you like to do that as well. :)
Latter-day scripture greatly expands our understanding of the events that took place in heaven prior to man's physical creation described in Genesis. Although these events are hinted at in the Bible, they are generally difficult to understand without additional help.
lds9999 3 years ago
Some Bible scholars have discovered that the earliest Christians understood these teachings about the pre-existence of man and shared this knowledge until it was condemned by the Council of Constantinople in 553 A.D. Many early Christian writers such as Just Martyr, Augustine, Cyril of Jerusalem, Clement of Rome, Origen, Peierius, John of Jerusalem, Rufinus and Nemesis believed these doctrines.
lds9999 3 years ago
The writer of Clementine Recognitions affirmed this view teaching, "For this reason the world has existed through the ages, so that the spirits destined to come here might fulfill their number, and here make their choice between the upper and the lower worlds.
lds9999 3 years ago
This principle was also taught by Origen in 220 A.D. in his essay "On First Principles." He there described an initial spiritual creation of Heaven and Earth and the spirits of all the later inhabitants of the physical creation.
The doctrine of pre-existence, Cory, is not only in the Bible but it is all over early Christianity. Have you ever researched early Christianity?
lds9999 3 years ago
In fact, I'm really glad you brought this up. This is actually great insight into the pre-existence. I thought you didn't believe that we existed before this earth; in fact, you said that ONLY Christ pre-existed. Well, what about all of these other players in the story?
I'm glad that you are coming to understand the pre-existence, that we existed before this earth.
lds9999 3 years ago
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and HIS ANGELS were cast out with him. " ANGELS were cast out! Satan was an ANGEL. Jeswus is GOD! According to the bible which you don't believe.
coryhello 3 years ago
According to the bible. Satan is an ANGEL, Jesus is GOD, and YOU are a SOUL! "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:7-9
coryhello 3 years ago
The Bible states that all of King Zedekiah's sons were killed.
Jeremiah 39:6 "Then the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah in Riblah before his eyes."
Contrary to the Bible, the Book of Mormon claims that one son of King Zedekiah escaped destruction and came to the Americas.
Heleman 6:10 "the land north was called Mulek, which was after the son of Zedekiah; for the Lord did bring Mulek into the land north" (See also Heleman 8:21).
coryhello 3 years ago
The first clue of the existence and escape of Mulek, son of Zedekiah, can be found in 2 Kings 25:1-10, which reports that Nebuchadrezzar and "all his host" scattered "all the men" and "all [the king's] army" and burnt "all the houses of Jerusalem," and with "all the army" they destroyed the walls. In the midst of all this, however, 2 Kings 25:7 omits the word all when it reports only that "the sons" of Zedekiah were killed, leaving open the question whether all of his sons were slain.
lds9999 3 years ago
"Recently, an ancient seal was discovered in Jerusalmen bearing the title, "Malkiyahu the son of the king." This may very well be a seal from the Mulek, the son of King Zedekiah. This is entirely plausible based on what we know of ancient Israel and the information in the Book of Mormon and the Bible." - Jeff Lindsay
I can give you the link if you'd like to study this topic. Based on your track record though, I am disappointed to say that you will probably not follow up & research
lds9999 3 years ago
Satan was the lead worshipper in heaven in charge of all the worship. He wanted to become like God and told all the angels to worship him. A third of the angels worahiupped Satan. God cried when he found iniquity in Satan. he made him the most beautiful angel. That is why he was called Lucifer..the light angel. God then cast down to earth Satan and the 1/3rd of angels that worshipped him and they fell to earth becoming demons.
coryhello 3 years ago
First of all, GOD cast Satan out of heaven. It's plainly written in the Bible, GOD's holy word. Look in Revelation ch.12 vers.7-12. It points straight out that there was a war in heaven between Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels. Michael and his angels defeated Satan and his angels easily.
coryhello 3 years ago
we and everyone should be directing our every question to Him in prayer. "What does this scripture mean? Should I just believe what I interpret it as, or should I 'ask of God'? Will He really give unto me liberally, and not upbraid?" With faith in prayer, we can know all things that are expedient for our welfare. "Is the Book of Mormon true? Was it really written by ancient prophets and translated by a modern? Should I just believe what I interpret it as, or should I 'ask of God'?
pianomano68 3 years ago
THIS, after having read, is what makes the difference. Joseph didn't ever receive visions or revelations without first praying for knowledge. He trusted in the scripture in James 1:5 which says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
It is something that the whole world and even most of us Mormons forgets to do in faith. With all of the questioning of what the Bible really says on its pages,
pianomano68 3 years ago
I don't know if you ever got to the end of the book, but someone named Moroni, who was a Prophet, invites all people who read the book to ponder its message--to not be closed-minded about it, but to ponder what it says. And then to "ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true. And if ye will ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, He will manifest the truth of it unto you by the power of the Holy Ghost."
pianomano68 3 years ago
As a response to this need, we believe that the Lord called a man to be a Prophet, like in ancient times. Now understand me. A man. Not any more special than any other man. Actually, a man less-educated than most men at the time. Joseph Smith did the will of the Father and the Son.
But on to my point. Like I said, you need to read the Book of Mormon in its entirety, because you will never understand what it really says without it. But that is not the end of it. It still won't be enough.
pianomano68 3 years ago
Thus, it is up to the reader to determine in what manner the Lord was baptized. And though to you and me it may not seem like an important factor, it has created a lot of controversy. Why do you think there are so many Christian religions, sects and cults in the world today? Because of that simple fact. The Bible can be interpreted in SO many different ways, and each of us individually chooses what to believe or not to believe. Ultimately, we all need to know what is the TRUTH.
pianomano68 3 years ago
Yet still, it gets a point across. But only vaguely. For instance: the baptism of Jesus. Matthew 3:15-16- And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him.
This is a very vague scripture. Not specific in the manner fo baptism
pianomano68 3 years ago
If you aren't going to believe the bible and the whole bible than you are truly lost. Jesus says blessed are those that hear the word of God and obey it. If you are not going to believe the bible fully but follow your false doctrine as warned buy Jesus Christ himself than you are lost.
Mormon beliefs contradict the word of God that is how we know it to be false. We are souls. We will NEVER become a God. God was NEVER a soul.
coryhello 3 years ago
We do believe the Bible and the whole Bible.
lds9999 3 years ago
Nobody ever claimed not believing in the bible.
shampoobx 1 year ago
You MUST understand each word of the Book of Mormon to understand what it really teaches. For yourself. I have heard countless--COUNTLESS, Cory--citations of Book of Mormon scriptures that are either incomplete or distorted. That is the way people are able to contradict what it says with what the Bible says. The Bible, a Book I love and revere, speaks of Christ and His teachings--but after the death of Christ, parts were removed either partially or entirely. It is incomplete.
pianomano68 3 years ago
Thanks pianoman! I hope he listens to the counsel.
lds9999 3 years ago
The bible is incomplete. Excuse me? Jesus said to add or take away a word from his book is worthy of eternal condemnation. Mormon beliefs are especially false because they contradict the word of of GOd 100%. You believe you will become a God...That is totally against the bible! Not only that but Jesus even warned of an angel (Moroni) preaching a false gosepel . Wake up!
coryhello 3 years ago
Cory. Cory, Cory, Cory. I have been among the most stone-hard catholic Christians for the last two years. I have heard just about every little thing you have listed here. Something that people that try to convince us don't understand is that they're not coming up with new stuff. Most of us have heard these things over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER.........let me tell you why you need to read the Book of Mormon IN ITS ENTIRETY before you say one thing more:
pianomano68 3 years ago
Dude, I have to get to bed. It is 3:20 am and I cannot keep my eyes open. I will finish responding tommorow.
coryhello 3 years ago
Fair enough. Goodnight.
lds9999 3 years ago
One cannot hear, believe, repent or confess on behalf of another person. Neither can one be baptized on behalf of another (Mark 16:16; Acts 8:12). When one has died, it is too late for him to obey the Lord (Hebrews 9:27). There is no second chance after death.
. The Mormon Church is not the true church of the Bible! It is a cult founded by a man. It teaches false doctrines which will cause one to be lost (Galatians 1:6-9; Matthew 7:15-23).
coryhello 3 years ago
Cory, please explain how Mark 16:16 and Acts 8:12 can be effectively used to make your point here? I've read them and don't see how this forbids being baptized on behalf of another person? (We are in agreement that one cannot hear, believe or repent for someone else.)
You say "There is no second chance after death." Again, what about those people who never got the FIRST chance, who never even heard about Jesus Christ in this life? What then Cory?
lds9999 3 years ago
Look at the message I just sent you. The MORMON teachings do NOT line up with the word of God. Doesn't that arise doubt within you?
coryhello 3 years ago
Which message? You just sent about 50. :)
The Mormon teachings do line up with the word of God. If they did not, I would have left a long time ago.
You did not answer my questions Cory. What about the millions/billions of people who never heard of Jesus Christ? Are they all damned to hell in your belief?
lds9999 3 years ago
Doesn't such a belief arise doubt within you about your beliefs? How could a loving and just God never even GIVE millions, or even billions, or people the CHANCE to accept Jesus Christ and His gospel?
That does not make sense to me. A loving and just God would not damn billions of people to hell without even giving them the opportunity to accept Jesus.
lds9999 3 years ago
Mormons also practice "baptism for the dead." They believe one can be baptized on behalf of another person who has died. The Bible teaches man must obey for himself. Each one must hear the Gospel for himself (Romans 10:17; Acts 18:8). Each one must believe for himself (John 8:24). Each must repent of his own sins before he can be baptized (Acts 2:38). Each person must confess Christ for himself to be saved (Matthew 10:32,33).
coryhello 3 years ago
I support all the scriptures you use here. We do not deny that everyone is responsible for their own actions. However, John 3:5 says that men must be baptized to be saved.
What then of the millions (even billions) of people who have died NEVER even hearing about Jesus Christ? We believe that a just God provides the opportunity to everyone to accept Jesus.
What do you believe? Do you believe that God damns all of those people to hell who never even had the chance? Please answer this Cory
lds9999 3 years ago
Mormons believe one man can have many wives. They do not practice polygamy publicly any longer because it is against the law in many nations. While God permitted polygamy and divorce in the Old Testament, it was not a part of His original plan (Matthew 19:3-9). Jesus restored God's original plan which is "one man, one wife - for life!" God's plan for marriage today is for "each man to have his own wife" (1 Corinthians 7:2).
coryhello 3 years ago
You say "Mormons do not practice polygamy publicly any longer." Actually, Mormons do not practice polygamy at all--publicly or privately.
If polygamy was "not a part of His original plan" as you have said, then why did prophets in the Old Testament practice it? Why would God allow such a thing?
The answer is because God can direct His prophets and people to do certain things at certain times. I agree that God's plan for marriage today is one man and one wife.
lds9999 3 years ago
Mormons believe the priesthood of Aaron continues to this day. The Bible teaches that the priesthood has been changed (Hebrews 7:12). Today, Jesus Christ is the Christians' high priest (Hebrews 4:14-16). Jesus is "a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek" (Hebrews 7:14-21). Mormons believe men can become priests "after the order of Melchizedek."According to the Bible, only Jesus Christ can be such a priest.
coryhello 3 years ago
Hebrews speaks of Jesus as the High Priest, and explains that Jesus is called "the Apostle and High Priest of our profession" (Hebrews 3:1). He is certainly THE Apostle and THE High Priest, but that does not mean that He is the only one. There were other Apostles, and there could also be other high priests. In fact, the New Testament indicates that Christians held the priesthood (1 Peter 2:5,9; Rev 1:6; 5:10; 20:6).
lds9999 3 years ago
Why don't you believe in the Davinci Code? It is a book that contradicts the bible just like the Mormon book.
coryhello 3 years ago
Cory, answer the questions I've posed. Instead you simply try to change the subject to something like the Davinci Code.
It's okay to admit that you in fact know little about our faith and have simply repeated the criticisms of others, without doing any research. I'd invite you to read the Book of Mormon.
lds9999 3 years ago
Jesus is the ONLY God. There are NO other Gods besides him. He is from the eternal past. He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is GOD. God manifest into flesh. There is no one like him nor will there ever be. And the saved will marry him and worship him for ALL eternity in the New Jerusalem onthis World. That is what the bible teaches and this you don't believe.
coryhello 3 years ago
I believe that Jesus Christ is God, manifest in the flesh. That He is the Alpha and Omega, that we are saved by Him, that we will worship Him for all eternity. I see no problems with these statements.
lds9999 3 years ago
No, you believe you will become a God and rule over your own world.
coryhello 3 years ago
I believe that God is our Eternal Father and that we are His children. Just as every parent, He wants us to become more like Him.
I believe that I can progress and become more like my Heavenly Father. Whatever He desires me to do, I will do. Everything else is speculative.
lds9999 3 years ago
Your Heavenly Father REALLY wants you to read and ober his Tew Testament and not another New Testament that contradicts it.
coryhello 3 years ago
I do read the New Testament and I am trying my best to obey it--I'm not perfect on all the commandments yet. Are you?
You've yet to show how the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible. Sorry man.
lds9999 3 years ago
Yes I obey ALL of Jesus's commands. I have lustful thoughts just like everyone else. I am not perfect but I do rebuke the thoughts in the name of Jesus. I have already given you many contradictions from the two books. You obviously didn't read what I sent you.
coryhello 3 years ago
You have copied and pasted what you found on a website were "contradictions." I've read them all and have responded to most. Thus far, you are silent to almost all of my questions and responses.
Cory, here's a challenge for you. Get a copy of the Book of Mormon, get a copy of the Bible. Read them both for yourself, and try to find some contradictions. You'll read them cover to cover and still be searching! :)
lds9999 3 years ago
The Mormon Church has a wrong understanding of God. We must believe in the true God in order to be saved (Ephesians 4:4-6; Hebrews 11:6). The Bible teaches there is only one true God (1 Timothy 2:5; James 2:19). Mormons, however, believe in many gods. They believe Adam was the god who created the earth. They believe every man can become a god. This is contrary to the teaching of the Bible that "God is Spirit" (John 4:24).
coryhello 3 years ago
Mormons do not believe that Adam "was the god who created the earth."
We believe the earth was created just as described in John 1 - by Jesus Christ.
Where are your sources about these things? Oh wait...you wouldn't be able to give them because just copied and pasted from somewhere and aren't really familiar with the topics. :)
lds9999 3 years ago
When did I say this?
coryhello 3 years ago
Click all comment and look at the comment I was replying to.
lds9999 3 years ago
Bible ***Church began in 33 AD Mt 16:18 Acts
mormon book ***church began in 147BC, Mosiah 18:17
coryhello 3 years ago
Again, the Biblical writers would not have known about the Christians on the other side of the world. Therefore it is not surprising that they would note what they knew about. There is no discrepancy here.
lds9999 3 years ago
bible***"disciples were first called Christians in Antioch" 40AD, Acts 11:26
Mormon book***Alma 46:13-16 supposedly written in 73BC refers to Nephites as Christians.
coryhello 3 years ago
The writer of Acts would not have known about the Christians on the other side of the world. Thus, it is not surprising that he would record the first instance that he knew of that disciples were called Christians. There is no discrepancy here.
lds9999 3 years ago
bible***Jesus was born in Bethlehem" Mt 2:1 + Mt 21:17
***"He shall be born of Mary at Jerusalem" Alma 7:10
coryhello 3 years ago
This is one of the silliest ones and actually one that has fallen out of favor with most critics. First, if you believe that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon and that it wasn't inspired, don't you find it ABSURD to think that he would know so many details about Middle Eastern culture and even the exact place where Jesus was baptized, but not know the most basic fact about the birth of Jesus Christ?
It has been shown that this style of reference is consistent with usage in the Middle East.
lds9999 3 years ago
It is important to note what Alma's words were. He did not claim Jesus would be born in the city of Jerusalem, but "at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers."
The town of Bethlehem is in the "land of Jerusalem." In fact, Bethlehem is only 5 miles south of Jerusalem: definitely "in the land," especially from the perspective of Alma, a continent away. Even locals considered Hebron, twenty five miles from Bethlehem, to be in the "land of Jerusalem
--FAIR
lds9999 3 years ago
Research has been done on the bible and they have found archaeological proof to support the bible.
Research on the book of Mormon however prooved it to be false. The places mentioned in the Mormon book are places that never existed!
I have a video of this. Can I send it to you?
coryhello 3 years ago
Cory, I've seen the video. A rebuttal has been done of it. Can I send it to you?
Are you depending on evidence for your faith? So far, I know of no archaeological evidence to prove the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Yet, that is the most fundamental part of Christianity and I believe in it whole-heartedly. God requires faith on our part
What research has "proved" the Book of Mormon to be false? Specifics, and it would be great if you'd use your own thoughts instead of using the copy/paste
lds9999 3 years ago
****LDS - believe God, as a resurrected, physical man, is literal Father of Jesus - same manner in which men are conceived on earth - believe Matt 1:18 in error.
****Bible - says Mary was ". . . with child of the Holy Ghost." (Matt 1:18)
coryhello 3 years ago
This is not Mormon doctrine and you are what is in error here, not Matthew 1:18.
We believe what is contained in the Holy Scriptures.
lds9999 3 years ago
You can't possibly. Your Mormon book contradicts the word of God.
coryhello 3 years ago
I don't mean to be rude Cory, but you're sounding like a broken record. You have not responded to my comments below. Why not?
My guess would be that it takes real research to understand these concepts and that you are satisfied with your one-liner. If that is the case, fine--but don't try to deceive others about something you know very little, or nothing, about.
lds9999 3 years ago
Everything I need to know is written in the bible. We need to test the prohpets to see if they are of God. Since joes book contradicts the word of God we know him to be false. You are resisting the truth by following a book that goes against what the bible says.
coryhello 3 years ago
Cory, I've responded to almost all of the (many) comments that you copied from elsewhere about the supposed contradictions. Have you read my responses yet? I urge you to answer the questions.
You don't know that the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible because (for the umpteenth time)--you've never read it!
lds9999 3 years ago
I have read enough of the book to see all the contradictions. OBVIOUSLY, you see the contradictions if of course you have read the New Testament which I hope you will read through it with a highlighter. I know you are not dumb but you are totally ignoring the contradictions. You seem not to care that the mormon book is prooven by the bible to be wrong.
coryhello 3 years ago
Cory, be completely honest. How many pages of the Book of Mormon have you read? Full pages. 1? 3? 10?
I have studied the New Testament (yes, even with a highlighter--actually a red pencil to highlight). The contradictions aren't there Cory--read them both in their entirety and come back with your own research. I am confident you will change your mind. You may not think that the Mormon religion is correct for whatever reason, but you won't find the contradictions you think you will.
lds9999 3 years ago
****LDS - Is a separate God from Father and Son - different from Holy Spirit - Holy Ghost is a person - Holy Spirit is influence from Father and not personal
****Bible - Same Greek word used for Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit (I Cor 3:16 and 6:19).
coryhello 3 years ago
I am familiar with Greek (fluent actually, haha), and am not sure of your point here. We believe that the Holy Ghost is a spirit.
lds9999 3 years ago
****LDS - Hell as an institution is eternal - inmates come and go as in jail - don't spend eternity there - stay until one has paid debt to God.
****Bible - No mention of people getting out of Hell. (Rev. 21:8; Matt 13:24-43 and 47-50; Luke 16:26)
coryhello 3 years ago
inmates come and go? Haha. I have never heard anything like this, not even from critics.
Again Cory, I ask--where are your sources for what we supposedly believe about this?
Inmates come and go....haha.
lds9999 3 years ago
You seem to think you can get your deceased relatives out of hell...so you think you can override Jesus's Judgements upon them...Very unbiblical.
coryhello 3 years ago
I don't believe anything I can do can "get someone out of hell." It is only through the grace of Christ that men can be saved.
And what was your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:29 when Paul talks about "baptism for the dead"?
lds9999 3 years ago
YOu believe you can get baptized for you dead relatives. This is unbiblical.
coryhello 3 years ago
You never responded about Paul's scripture? Interesting that Paul talked about this ordinance, isn't it?
lds9999 3 years ago
****LDS - Means Celestial Kingdom - only those in Celestial Kingdom are in God's presence. Those in Terrestrial or Telestial Kingdoms aren't in presence of Father.
****Bible - All redeemed will be in God's presence. (Rev. 21:1-3). All believers are part of Kingdom. (Matt. 13:41-43)
coryhello 3 years ago
Cory, could you please give me your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:40-42
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.
lds9999 3 years ago
Along those same lines, what then was Paul referring to in 2 Corinthians 12:2:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Cory, what does Paul mean when he talks about the "third heaven?" Look at this in correlation with 1 Corinthians 15:40-42.
lds9999 3 years ago
*****LDS - Universal gift - ability to live forever but not Eternal Life.
****Bible - Makes no distinction between immortality