Nicely doen, but typical in the way all stage fights are choreograped: oen guy is cleraly better, wins four or five times ina row, then the underdog gets one chance and finishes the other one off. Sorry, but realy sword fights do not work that way. Usually, the better man wins first time around.
@LutzBrux1 - Anybody can get lucky or make a critical misstep. The longer a fight goes on, the more chances there are for somebody to make a mistake. A more skillful person is less likely to make these mistakes. The longer a fight goes on, the more skill comes into play. The noob has to win quickly.
Fully agree that skill (and when it takes longer: strength) wins usually a fight. And that the noob has to win as quickly as possible, because he probably won't get a second chance. But he usually doesn't win.
Btw: that is also why most self defense systems depend on the "one hit and it is over" method. "Death by a thousand cuts" is a very dangerous strategy for the one meting it out.
@DutchPetriot it's beautifull but it's at the same time stupid , on the battle ground there is no honour and no rules , taking a life has nothing honorable...
should get some people that actually know how to use swords, especially if this is suppose to depict how they were used in history its misleading and in-accurate . good filming tho.
Well, I'd say that this was a video of true chivalry, and stupidity, but none the less, chivalry is stupid unless used to manipulate someone who likes honour.
@Nickkraw it means live action role play, basically ppl dress up like it is the middle ages and pretend to be in a fantasy world and playing a character of choice. to simulate combat, melee weapons made out of foam and latex coating is used. it sounds awkward but it is a lot of fun. On my channel you find some videos showing parts of a large event of LARP.
This is why, when I am set to kill mode, I kill. The old guy could have killed the younger one many times.
But maybe he was not interested in the kill, but in who is the better fighter ? And this love for the art, and honour brought him to his doom. Yes, even wehn we are following high ideals, we are still selfish.
When the old man prays, it's kinda easy, for some reason, to imagine the sent of the forest, the fresh humidity in the air, the shivers going down his spine, the weight of the armour.
@meierksch da spricht ein Punk mit mir über Intelligenz. Euch Drogenfreaks müsste schon klar sein dass wir hier in einem Linksradikalen Staat leben. Da kann man so viele Lügen über die Wissenschaft der Rasse verbreiten wie man will, er würde trotzdem recht bekommen ganz besonders hier in Deutschland wo Meinungsfreiheit verboten wird. Also krieg mal dein Kopf aus'm Linken Arsch und behaupte hier nicht dass eure Linksversagerideologie die Menschen aufklären würde
@SaviorAgent Das hier ist kein Politischer Blog. Die Szene im Film spielt um 1500 herum, "links, Rechts" hiessen damals die zwei Ochsen vor'm Karren. Trefft Euch doch irgendwo, und diskutiert Die Sache aus unter Männern :)
Awesome! But they are hitting each others swords edge on edge :( It is still tons better than the cheap Hollywood stuff. Here, if they didn't block the attack coming from the opponent, they would be hit, unlike in Hollywood. Awesome!
@NotJustYouNoob - in martial arts, no matter which school or style - everyone develops an own style sooner or later. The ochs stance has many variations, and this is just a fucking movie. I am damn sure, that 600 years ago, the same individual differencies existed - and not everyone was 100% accurant by the schoolbooks. Dont try to be more popy than the pope. Or more german, than a german for that matter. In the end of the day, everyone - also you- meets his master somewhere some day.
@zoolkhan This is basic skills, you need to know them before you even start on your own styles. Now listen up and stop being a fuckwit.
You are supposed to be able to perform a zwerchau from the ochs. I don't recall Dobringer or Ringeck ever saying anything about flat strikes, so I'm going to assume you have to hit them with the edge. If you hold the sword long edge down you end up thwapping the guy across the face with the flat. Holding it edges level means you catch them with the edge instead.
@NotJustYouNoob Verdammter Klugscheisser, will einem langjährigen Kampfkuenstler internetlektionen erteilen. Am besten noch mit pers. Beleidigungen gewuerzt.
Diese Arroganz muss aus den Staaten sein.
Du wirst deinen Meister auch noch mal finden Du spinner :)
@zoolkhan Well then, for all your alleged skill in WMA, you're wrong and can fuck off right back into your own asshole. MS M.I. 29 (Hans von Speyer):
"tem In den och~en schick dich also Stee mit dem lincken fu~ f~r und halt dein swert zu deiner rechten seitten mit dem geh~ltz f~r und halt dein swert zu deiner rechten seitten mit dem gehultz f~r dass haubt da~ die kurtz sneide gegen dir stee und halt Im den ort also gegen dem gesichte etc."
@NotJustYouNoob ...haha.. still trying to criticise a movie? go watch conan the barbar and watch your bloodpressure :-) Youre a child but not a person i could take serioues. The more insults you throw at me , the more the audience sees your desperation.
@zoolkhan Your back pedalling needs work. Maybe next time in the future you'll remember not to claim historical accuracy for a movie then claim it's a fantasy video so historical accuracy doesn't matter. Now bugger off, you annoying 12 year old brat.
Folks, the techniques were real after lichtenauer. But it is also a movie with cineastic elements. Dont take yourself too serious. You should know, that the dreynschlag folks do know their stuff very well. Visit their Website, if you speak German.
Mein kleiner rechter Freund. Du bist dir aber schon im klaren darüber, dass es keine Indogermanen gab, oder?
Das ist ein Begriff aus der Linguistik und hat nichts mit Völkerkunde oder, jetzt kommt dein Lieblingswort, "Rasse" zutun. Es bezieht sich nur auf Sprachen, wie z.B. keltisch, italisch und armenisch.
Es war mir wie immer ein Vergnügen, einen ewig Gestrigen zu belehren. Zum Glück sind die meisten Rechten, so ungebildet und ignorant, wie du es bist.
@AuGeUNDoHr1 mh... kann man das denn überhuapt beurteilen ob die tehcnik nun perfekt oder grottenschlecht ist?? ich mein du siehst ja nur einzelne szenen aus einem ganzen kampf und das auch nicht aus einer perspektive in der du beide kämpfer ganz siehst sondenr oftmals nur einn und von dem auch wiederum nicht den ganzen körper... was die rüstung angeht weiß ich nicht wo du fantasy siehst...
Really great cinematography! Although I must ask why dont people make films where the awesome bearded man wins? Its always the naked face that takes the glory these days... sad days.
@timpiglia even though hed probly have superior technuiqe and experience the younger fighter has more speed strength and stamina also to me the idea of the young lion surpassing the old comes to mind
@timpiglia If you watch Chinese movies, there's a quite a few about a folk hero named Guan Gong who has a crazy nice beard. And he's usually the one winning battles... Except when he dies. :\
I didn't always like the camera work - to much of it was in close up - but the effect over all was very good. The weapons and costumes looking VERY good. I would have loved to see more of the overhead shots but I can see where it would be hard to do.
As an aside I've never worn armor before so how would having a cloak/blanket over a metal suit help keep someone warm?
Also neither were wearing a lot of armor was this normal battle wear or did they strip down a bit for dueling?
The lack of story was the only feature that could possibly be criticized. But it is good to see European martial arts competently re-enacted and filmed in such an artistic and dramatic way.
Not all that realistic. A swordfight would never last that long.
That aside, it's a bit to obvious that the blades are blunt trainers. It would look a lot better if they used a tiny bit of CG to put edge and point on the swords.
Such wit. Such intelligence. Such knowledge. I am speechless. "Idiot"... What ever could I reply to such a well thought out and researched reply? You, sir, win the price as a genuine YouTube debater. Well done!
The average swordfight lasts between 2-5 seconds. The german longsword system for example is optimized to take him at a disadvantage. You can make 4-5 actions per person in 2-3 seconds and believe me one action will do damage to you or your opponent.
@eizehore The only reason battles in Middle Europe lasted so long was because there so many damn soldiers, not because there was somehow clumsiness in their techniques.
Before you set in with the "heavy weapons and armor" argument, lemme tell you something: training does more than make you disciplined, especially if you're going through it with edgeless swords two or three times a day at about three hours a pop with no "break time". Weapon training was considered some serious shit, dude.
@Perilix You speak with the arrogance as though you were there, yet I fail to see any documentation that supports this claim. You seem to model the insult you cast.
@LarS1963 Armored warriors often used blunt weapons, and a fight COULD last this long for sure, probably wouldn't but whatever, watching a 10 second sword fight would get a little boring. These people went through a lot of effort to make a pretty cool video and you just make some lazy uneducated comment about how it's "not all that realistic." And why don't you try spelling "too" correctly next time.
@CrimsonEmpire Oh, I am sorry. I spelled "too" wrong? Maybe it has to with the fact that english is my second language?
I have trained with and studied medieval swords for the past fifteen years. I am rather well educated in medieval combat, thank you very much.
Blunt swords are trainers! No-one fought with blunt swords, armour or not. As they ~are~ armoured, they would be better of using poleaxes instead, and if they insist on swords, they should use halfsword-techniques.
@EvilxMerlin two fully armored knights (these guys arent fully armored, and these guys aren't armored realistically) would have little to no use of a sharpened greatsword. if anything they would prefer a duller blade for half handing techniques. My point was that people are tearing this film apart because they feel some self righteous need to demonstrate their false sense of medieval expertise. Give the historian thing a rest and just enjoy the film for how cool it is. it's better than most.
Do me a favour, get back to us when you know how to use a sword and why sharp swords were used against armour. And no, they wouldn't perfer a duller blade with half swording. My god, where in the world do some people come up with this stuff?
@EvilxMerlin That's not true at all. Have you ever been hit with a warhammer? Have you ever been hit with a warhammer in the head, while wearing a helmet? It doesn't feel good. It is potentially concussive, which can leave an opponent in a stupor...long enough for you to pull out a dagger and stab them, or if your hammer has a spike on the top, or the back peen.
Um, isn't that what I just said? And yes, I've been hit by a warhammer while wearing a helm. A hunskull bascinet to be exact. None the less, swords were not dull.
Yes, the blunt weapons were called hammers. Mace type weapons were typically NOT dull, but rather had edges on each of the foils of the mace head in the late 14th and 15th centuries.
oder mal andersrum gefragt welche techniken aus diesem film waren nicht korrekt? da alles etwas zusammengeschnitten ist um mehr action reinzubringen sieht alles plausibel aus.
@dreamterrormaster der kampf war zwar ungewöhnlich lang für einen normalen schwertkampf - dennoch würde ich die techniken sogar als relativ realistisch einschätzen. Mir hat besonders gut das hämmern mit der parrierstange gefallen (ganz am ende).
Agreed. I loved this video, but the fight was confusing and unrealistic.
There is no way that the winner could have stood on a leg wound like that, let alone fought. It would have given out long before that moment when he was shoved simply because the greatsword requires excellent footwork to use effectively.
And that last maneuver could *easily* have been disrupted by shoving the guy as he pirouetted.
@bsapaka, I didn't think the fighting was at all bad. I'd like it to be more fluid, but obviously the choreographer had studied some fechtbuchs. Certainly better than most Hollywood stuff.
@bsapaka The guard the aggressor took was historically accurate, even if it was a weak version. He was attempting to do the Ochs guard. The bearded man took up the Vom Tag and Tag guards multiple times. The parrying was a bit unrealistic, as they weren't parrying from the guards and weren't uses blocks or parries that would allow follow up strikes. It was nice seeing the guards used, even if they weren't spot on
As for fight realism, it’s a movie. What’s real about lightsabers, or anything necessarily in an imaginary world? The question I would ask; would, how we think they really fought, translate well through the narrow gaze of a camera lens, if it doesn’t make it up, but if it does; why not?
@guerrillaroach The fight realism issue isn't a matter comparable to the imaginary nature of something like the lightsaber. I think people are concerned that the techniques being used by the fellows in the video are unrealistic--meaning that they wouldn't work. It doesn't matter if it's fantasy; the mechanics of fighting are the same. So the issue is never the fact that "lightsabers aren't realistic," it's the fact that "that dude should have caught a lightsaber in the guts with that move."
@ruebuscm: lol. You miss my point re the lightsaber, I simply mean that imaginary is the state of fantasy and therefore fine. I gave a 'how I would do it scenario'. It was just my critique and ideas. About fight mechanics, who cares as long as it looks cool and is appropriate for the context? In real Middle Ages battles a great deal was done to avoid blade on blade contact. But audiences love a kick arse sword fight so who does it properly, authentic tends towards the visually boring?
@guerrillaroach Eh, I see your point. Personally, I think the proper techniques can be made to look very cool. There's something awesome in the fact that a real swordfight might have been more like a gunfight--quick and brutal. Anyway, a fight between masters, i.e. the "boss battle" of the movie, could last for a while, and the real techniques would only serve to make it more visceral and less "fantasy." But, that is just my opinion, and you of course are entitled to your own. Peace!
Didn’t like the fight much, it was the same problem with the close ups in Alexander, I’d have preferred a mix of mid range shots to allow the cool move factor to be fully appreciated. Keep some close ups to build the drama and defiantly keep those cool long shots, but less ‘no character’ shots.
The kill move was pretty cool and I liked the drama between the two combatants. Who will win? Who is the aggressor? Senses of honour and pride, it was a compelling aspect of the scene.
Why on earth bother with beautiful locations, decent costumes and swordplay if you are going to film it in new-jack Hollywood closeup action style? Its like the camera man was in between these two, getting buffeted around by the action. Pull back, show the fight from a bit of a distance so we can benefit from all the effort and time put into the swordplay, costumes and scenery. Show off the skill, show off the effort. Sadly, this is directed so badly that its a waste to watch...
@NvmThemHereIAm I'd say it's just as bad as historical accuracy goes, well, ok guard positions but that's it. The film is still great though, and the scenery is perfect for a killing match. Just silent trees, mist and crush of metal.
@Ranziel1 true and you also don't often see guys in movies do a donnerschlag or what's it called (holding the blade and hitting with the guard) A little accuracy goes a long way in movies nowadays
the choreography is bad because it is not the way people fought back then.
The methods that knights used to kill people were way more complex than any movie comes close to portraying. In fact, trained swordsmen possessed just as much skill, concentration, strength, speed, and reflexes as any of the worlds' greatest warriors (like the samurai, for example). These two knights simply use hack n slash when they fight
@bsapaka : I agree with you to an extent; the technical aspects of medeival sword-fighting were complex and clever, but like any stylised process ('katas') the actual reality of useage might be very different from the theory learned. Fighters in battle would often be hungry, travel-weary, wounded or maybe ill and, to add to all that, carrying padding and armour. Those who have tried free-fighting in historically-correct outfits will admit it's highly strenuous...
Boa, die ganzen Masken sind aber echt mal Hammermässig gut (die Verletzungen sehen echt real aus).
Auch mal ein schöner Kampf ohne zuviel sinnloses gefuchtel. Bin echt begeistert.
Das einzige was mich persönlich ein bisschen gestört hat war die hecktische Kameraführung während des Kampfes, ich hätte lieber eine ruhigere Kameraführung gehabt, damit man die ganzen Aktionen besser sieht. Kämpfen könnt ihr ja, wiso versteckt ihrs dann hinter einer hecktischen Kameraführung?
Wunderschön! Ich liebe das Thema Schwertkampf und die Requisiten im Film! Szenerie und Licht passen! Videoqulität ausgezeichnet! Man erkennt sogar die alten Kampftechniken! Einzig die Musik hätte ich anders gemacht. Etwas episches oder Metal.
who made both the swords ?
wingsoffire55 50 minutes ago
Did not do the research.
57precision 5 days ago
fight looks kinda stupid at begining lol
MrGrofonja 1 week ago
thats so true cameramovements and cuts sux ...
for a good Swordfight u have to see allways both fighters in full...
with this cuts and moves its like hollywood childplay... wer u cant see anything...
SargonvonThule 1 week ago
Congratulation for the great work. Very good, very epic.
Animadellabattaglia 2 weeks ago
the sword play seemed to be rather accurate right on down to the quillion hook and the reverse swing to engage the pommel to strike at the face
crimsonnoble29 4 weeks ago
i didnt like those camera angles changing every 2 seconds
dave997 1 month ago
he didnt have to kill him that prick
393cj 1 month ago
Few questions: Is "Dreynschlag the movie" the movie real title? What does "noob" means?
asturjart1 1 month ago
:-))
asturjart1 1 month ago
Ofcourse the awesome bearded guy dies, and the lame young person is victorious -_-
solame10101 1 month ago
great atmosphere fight.^^
donavonvful 2 months ago
I love the sword fight, but some of the sound effects and the camera spin ruined it for me .
TheLordDz 2 months ago 5
Nicely doen, but typical in the way all stage fights are choreograped: oen guy is cleraly better, wins four or five times ina row, then the underdog gets one chance and finishes the other one off. Sorry, but realy sword fights do not work that way. Usually, the better man wins first time around.
LutzBrux1 2 months ago 2
@LutzBrux1 - Anybody can get lucky or make a critical misstep. The longer a fight goes on, the more chances there are for somebody to make a mistake. A more skillful person is less likely to make these mistakes. The longer a fight goes on, the more skill comes into play. The noob has to win quickly.
Miskat0nicUniversity 1 month ago
@Miskat0nicUniversity
Fully agree that skill (and when it takes longer: strength) wins usually a fight. And that the noob has to win as quickly as possible, because he probably won't get a second chance. But he usually doesn't win.
Btw: that is also why most self defense systems depend on the "one hit and it is over" method. "Death by a thousand cuts" is a very dangerous strategy for the one meting it out.
LutzBrux1 1 month ago
if you watch the video carefully the blond warrior won 4 times
TheAIH16 2 months ago
@TheAIH16 We call that chivalry, honour! This man fought by the rules.
DutchPetriot 1 month ago
@DutchPetriot it's beautifull but it's at the same time stupid , on the battle ground there is no honour and no rules , taking a life has nothing honorable...
TheAIH16 1 month ago
should get some people that actually know how to use swords, especially if this is suppose to depict how they were used in history its misleading and in-accurate . good filming tho.
Jessj85 3 months ago
Nice cinematography, pacing and atmosphere. Very nice, in fact. Narratively, that was a great 10 minutes.
On the other hand, I saw that there were some elements of the true medieval fighting techniques, but it was a halfway attempt at depicting a fight.
MadassAlex 3 months ago
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Der beste reine mittelalterliche Schwertkampf, den ich im Film gesehen habe!
Kay0815chopper 3 months ago
Toll gemacht!Kompliment!
desastermaster2010 3 months ago
I LIKE IT A LOT
balanar4o 4 months ago
Really fucking amazing movie
Brzytwa89 4 months ago
Well, I'd say that this was a video of true chivalry, and stupidity, but none the less, chivalry is stupid unless used to manipulate someone who likes honour.
Nickkraw 4 months ago
HA! SERVES THE BEARDED GUY RIGHT FOR BEING SO HONORABLE IN COMBAT!
Nickkraw 4 months ago 2
sorry, I'm writing these as I watch
Nickkraw 4 months ago
OR WHEN HE BROKE HIS NOSE!?
Nickkraw 4 months ago
ARE YOU KIDDING?! HE DIDN'T KILL HIM WHEN HE FELL OVER!!!
Nickkraw 4 months ago
and why doesn't beardy pursue after he kicks him
Nickkraw 4 months ago
what are these guys randomly doing in the forest, and why didn't the attacker wait till the other one was asleep to attack
Nickkraw 4 months ago
@Nickkraw sounds 100% like LARP to me. :D
Schmidt54 4 months ago
@Schmidt54 I apologize, but I am unaware as the meaning of the acronym LARP, once more, I apologize for any inconvenience.
Nickkraw 4 months ago
@Nickkraw it means live action role play, basically ppl dress up like it is the middle ages and pretend to be in a fantasy world and playing a character of choice. to simulate combat, melee weapons made out of foam and latex coating is used. it sounds awkward but it is a lot of fun. On my channel you find some videos showing parts of a large event of LARP.
Schmidt54 4 months ago
WTF happened to his leg? It looked like his shin had been completely removed. I've seen some nasty battle wounds before but that tops them all.
2bjjones 4 months ago
intense!
ylley 4 months ago
This is why, when I am set to kill mode, I kill. The old guy could have killed the younger one many times.
But maybe he was not interested in the kill, but in who is the better fighter ? And this love for the art, and honour brought him to his doom. Yes, even wehn we are following high ideals, we are still selfish.
HubertTheBeardless 4 months ago
bearded dude was so nice, let him take a nap and everything :3
Techies0 4 months ago 2
Intense, and really well done!
kit40 5 months ago
When the old man prays, it's kinda easy, for some reason, to imagine the sent of the forest, the fresh humidity in the air, the shivers going down his spine, the weight of the armour.
Shmupper 5 months ago
That was quite impressive!
Swordsquire 5 months ago
@meierksch da spricht ein Punk mit mir über Intelligenz. Euch Drogenfreaks müsste schon klar sein dass wir hier in einem Linksradikalen Staat leben. Da kann man so viele Lügen über die Wissenschaft der Rasse verbreiten wie man will, er würde trotzdem recht bekommen ganz besonders hier in Deutschland wo Meinungsfreiheit verboten wird. Also krieg mal dein Kopf aus'm Linken Arsch und behaupte hier nicht dass eure Linksversagerideologie die Menschen aufklären würde
SaviorAgent 5 months ago
@SaviorAgent Das hier ist kein Politischer Blog. Die Szene im Film spielt um 1500 herum, "links, Rechts" hiessen damals die zwei Ochsen vor'm Karren. Trefft Euch doch irgendwo, und diskutiert Die Sache aus unter Männern :)
zoolkhan 5 months ago
Awesome! But they are hitting each others swords edge on edge :( It is still tons better than the cheap Hollywood stuff. Here, if they didn't block the attack coming from the opponent, they would be hit, unlike in Hollywood. Awesome!
Iskall91 5 months ago
This coulda been really cool..... but it's not
CrimsonEmpire 5 months ago
@CrimsonEmpire I think its cooler than no movie. How many have you made?
zoolkhan 5 months ago
Needs better strikes. Also ochs stance has the edges level.
NotJustYouNoob 5 months ago
@NotJustYouNoob - in martial arts, no matter which school or style - everyone develops an own style sooner or later. The ochs stance has many variations, and this is just a fucking movie. I am damn sure, that 600 years ago, the same individual differencies existed - and not everyone was 100% accurant by the schoolbooks. Dont try to be more popy than the pope. Or more german, than a german for that matter. In the end of the day, everyone - also you- meets his master somewhere some day.
zoolkhan 5 months ago
@zoolkhan This is basic skills, you need to know them before you even start on your own styles. Now listen up and stop being a fuckwit.
You are supposed to be able to perform a zwerchau from the ochs. I don't recall Dobringer or Ringeck ever saying anything about flat strikes, so I'm going to assume you have to hit them with the edge. If you hold the sword long edge down you end up thwapping the guy across the face with the flat. Holding it edges level means you catch them with the edge instead.
NotJustYouNoob 5 months ago
@NotJustYouNoob Verdammter Klugscheisser, will einem langjährigen Kampfkuenstler internetlektionen erteilen. Am besten noch mit pers. Beleidigungen gewuerzt.
Diese Arroganz muss aus den Staaten sein.
Du wirst deinen Meister auch noch mal finden Du spinner :)
zoolkhan 5 months ago
@zoolkhan Well then, for all your alleged skill in WMA, you're wrong and can fuck off right back into your own asshole. MS M.I. 29 (Hans von Speyer):
"tem In den och~en schick dich also Stee mit dem lincken fu~ f~r und halt dein swert zu deiner rechten seitten mit dem geh~ltz f~r und halt dein swert zu deiner rechten seitten mit dem gehultz f~r dass haubt da~ die kurtz sneide gegen dir stee und halt Im den ort also gegen dem gesichte etc."
NotJustYouNoob 5 months ago
@NotJustYouNoob ...haha.. still trying to criticise a movie? go watch conan the barbar and watch your bloodpressure :-) Youre a child but not a person i could take serioues. The more insults you throw at me , the more the audience sees your desperation.
zoolkhan 4 months ago
@zoolkhan Your back pedalling needs work. Maybe next time in the future you'll remember not to claim historical accuracy for a movie then claim it's a fantasy video so historical accuracy doesn't matter. Now bugger off, you annoying 12 year old brat.
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zoolkhan 5 months ago
Folks, the techniques were real after lichtenauer. But it is also a movie with cineastic elements. Dont take yourself too serious. You should know, that the dreynschlag folks do know their stuff very well. Visit their Website, if you speak German.
zoolkhan 5 months ago
These costumes are TERRIBLE.
jarlragnar 5 months ago
Very nice. And while not 100%, the technique is obviously drawn from historical manuals.
TwinSteel 5 months ago
Wäre dies ein realistisch gemacht worden dann hätte der Indogermane gewonnen. Und der Film hätte auch nicht so lange gedauert
SaviorAgent 5 months ago
@SaviorAgent
Mein kleiner rechter Freund. Du bist dir aber schon im klaren darüber, dass es keine Indogermanen gab, oder?
Das ist ein Begriff aus der Linguistik und hat nichts mit Völkerkunde oder, jetzt kommt dein Lieblingswort, "Rasse" zutun. Es bezieht sich nur auf Sprachen, wie z.B. keltisch, italisch und armenisch.
Es war mir wie immer ein Vergnügen, einen ewig Gestrigen zu belehren. Zum Glück sind die meisten Rechten, so ungebildet und ignorant, wie du es bist.
meierksch 5 months ago
Esta peleas es 100 veces mejor que cualquiera vista en la ultima pelicula de conan
danimalkun 6 months ago
i fuckn told him to have some armour on his hips but no he wudnt listen
SticksNstones111 6 months ago
Pretty good, but the camera swinging gave me all sorts of headaches.
NotJustYouNoob 6 months ago
Not bad, could of been much worse
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AuGeUNDoHr1 6 months ago
Echt der Hammer... wirklich TOP geil!
adarmade 6 months ago
Cool
radioactiveroach 6 months ago
didnt like
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AuGeUNDoHr1 6 months ago
@AuGeUNDoHr1 mh... kann man das denn überhuapt beurteilen ob die tehcnik nun perfekt oder grottenschlecht ist?? ich mein du siehst ja nur einzelne szenen aus einem ganzen kampf und das auch nicht aus einer perspektive in der du beide kämpfer ganz siehst sondenr oftmals nur einn und von dem auch wiederum nicht den ganzen körper... was die rüstung angeht weiß ich nicht wo du fantasy siehst...
Ph03nix01 6 months ago
Really great cinematography! Although I must ask why dont people make films where the awesome bearded man wins? Its always the naked face that takes the glory these days... sad days.
timpiglia 6 months ago 51
@timpiglia I agree. In a real battle between an ass-face loser and a bearded legend, who would win? Of course the bearded legend.
BurlapElSack 6 months ago 2
@timpiglia I've got f our words for you: Gimli, son of Gloin. Ha!
infectedvector 5 months ago 17
@timpiglia it would be pretty redundant if the epic beard men win lol
CrimsonNasferatu 5 months ago
@timpiglia even though hed probly have superior technuiqe and experience the younger fighter has more speed strength and stamina also to me the idea of the young lion surpassing the old comes to mind
l3054 5 months ago
@timpiglia If you watch Chinese movies, there's a quite a few about a folk hero named Guan Gong who has a crazy nice beard. And he's usually the one winning battles... Except when he dies. :\
jeffdoeskungfu 5 months ago
@timpiglia
Hah ! Because we are awesome.
HubertTheBeardless 4 months ago
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timpiglia 4 months ago
@timpiglia because one day, he'll have a awesome beard, too ...
KingHaggard2006 3 months ago
should definitely make a sequel
l3054 7 months ago
Fairly good one thing is missing though. An accurate sword martial fight. But so far one of the best reconstitution.
jefflemalais 7 months ago
EXCELENTE TRABAJO Y PRODUCCION...
askariot20 8 months ago
Germanstyle! ;)
Training it myself....
naglphar 8 months ago
Europe ur awesome
SoulRipper66 9 months ago
If only the beardy dude had thrown a krumphau or two at the wall of Ox's.
Yerripop 9 months ago
whats with the massively over the top and tinny metal clinking sounds?
renegade94pro 9 months ago
Zoom out so we can see something dammit!
ssviator 10 months ago
I didn't always like the camera work - to much of it was in close up - but the effect over all was very good. The weapons and costumes looking VERY good. I would have loved to see more of the overhead shots but I can see where it would be hard to do.
As an aside I've never worn armor before so how would having a cloak/blanket over a metal suit help keep someone warm?
Also neither were wearing a lot of armor was this normal battle wear or did they strip down a bit for dueling?
colddrake80 10 months ago
Bravo!
The lack of story was the only feature that could possibly be criticized. But it is good to see European martial arts competently re-enacted and filmed in such an artistic and dramatic way.
Arwean144 10 months ago
Not to bad, however the sword fighting made no sense at all, except perhaps for the double disarming at the end.
Jiyukan 10 months ago
Seeehr amerikanisch ... Idee gut, schwaches Ende ...
AkkusticBassT 11 months ago
from 2:00 starefight! die by evil glare, cur!
Tarimoth 11 months ago
I can almost call this a masterpiece! Really well done.
I am going to study for filmmaker in holland soon, and this is what i would really like to make :)
10/10
TheRealTRASHMASTERS 11 months ago
Uh, 9 minutes of the film, 2 actors and SOOO MANY people engaged? Wow.
Maergensargoth 11 months ago
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harrygee1993 1 year ago
WTP was that? fun, but why were they fighting, and it kinda sucks that the one to show mercy died.
Indabaz 1 year ago
@Indabaz
ghehe i agree
TheRealTRASHMASTERS 11 months ago
this movie impressed me. it really shows what is, for me, the true warrior spirit. the joy of the duel and honor to your opponent
pata16 1 year ago
I was totally cheering for the blonde guy the whole time.
CrimsonEmpire 1 year ago
Not all that realistic. A swordfight would never last that long.
That aside, it's a bit to obvious that the blades are blunt trainers. It would look a lot better if they used a tiny bit of CG to put edge and point on the swords.
LarS1963 1 year ago
@LarS1963
A medieval sword fight could have lasted much longer, idiot.
eizehore 1 year ago
@eizehore .... wauw!
Such wit. Such intelligence. Such knowledge. I am speechless. "Idiot"... What ever could I reply to such a well thought out and researched reply? You, sir, win the price as a genuine YouTube debater. Well done!
LarS1963 1 year ago
@eizehore
The average swordfight lasts between 2-5 seconds. The german longsword system for example is optimized to take him at a disadvantage. You can make 4-5 actions per person in 2-3 seconds and believe me one action will do damage to you or your opponent.
Bonkerbomber 1 year ago
@eizehore The only reason battles in Middle Europe lasted so long was because there so many damn soldiers, not because there was somehow clumsiness in their techniques.
Before you set in with the "heavy weapons and armor" argument, lemme tell you something: training does more than make you disciplined, especially if you're going through it with edgeless swords two or three times a day at about three hours a pop with no "break time". Weapon training was considered some serious shit, dude.
MerlinsJester 1 year ago
@eizehore Medieval sword fights, historically, didn't last more than a minute 'idiot'.
Perilix 1 year ago
@Perilix You speak with the arrogance as though you were there, yet I fail to see any documentation that supports this claim. You seem to model the insult you cast.
TheRiflemanDan 11 months ago
@Perilix
Stupid ass, in your imagination, may be.
eizehore 10 months ago
@LarS1963 Armored warriors often used blunt weapons, and a fight COULD last this long for sure, probably wouldn't but whatever, watching a 10 second sword fight would get a little boring. These people went through a lot of effort to make a pretty cool video and you just make some lazy uneducated comment about how it's "not all that realistic." And why don't you try spelling "too" correctly next time.
CrimsonEmpire 1 year ago
@CrimsonEmpire Oh, I am sorry. I spelled "too" wrong? Maybe it has to with the fact that english is my second language?
I have trained with and studied medieval swords for the past fifteen years. I am rather well educated in medieval combat, thank you very much.
Blunt swords are trainers! No-one fought with blunt swords, armour or not. As they ~are~ armoured, they would be better of using poleaxes instead, and if they insist on swords, they should use halfsword-techniques.
LarS1963 1 year ago
@CrimsonEmpire
Um, no. Armoured warriors had no reason to use blunt weapons with the exception of mass weapons.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin two fully armored knights (these guys arent fully armored, and these guys aren't armored realistically) would have little to no use of a sharpened greatsword. if anything they would prefer a duller blade for half handing techniques. My point was that people are tearing this film apart because they feel some self righteous need to demonstrate their false sense of medieval expertise. Give the historian thing a rest and just enjoy the film for how cool it is. it's better than most.
CrimsonEmpire 1 year ago
@CrimsonEmpire
Do me a favour, get back to us when you know how to use a sword and why sharp swords were used against armour. And no, they wouldn't perfer a duller blade with half swording. My god, where in the world do some people come up with this stuff?
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@EvilxMerlin That's not true at all. Have you ever been hit with a warhammer? Have you ever been hit with a warhammer in the head, while wearing a helmet? It doesn't feel good. It is potentially concussive, which can leave an opponent in a stupor...long enough for you to pull out a dagger and stab them, or if your hammer has a spike on the top, or the back peen.
Cstrife234 1 year ago
@Cstrife234
Um, isn't that what I just said? And yes, I've been hit by a warhammer while wearing a helm. A hunskull bascinet to be exact. None the less, swords were not dull.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
@CrimsonEmpire
Yes, the blunt weapons were called hammers. Mace type weapons were typically NOT dull, but rather had edges on each of the foils of the mace head in the late 14th and 15th centuries.
EvilxMerlin 1 year ago
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Cstrife234 1 year ago
Da wird man glatt neidisch, wenn man da so seine eigenen Machwerke anschaut... -.-
Dizzyfinger 1 year ago
Realistic? Fantasy? I don't care. I thought it rocked.
tyjohnston87 1 year ago 3
why is the younger guy taking a guard with his shoulder single plate not facing the enemy?
sushanalone 1 year ago
aber warum bringt er den alten Mann um? Der hätte ihn doch problemlos töten können, als er bewusstlos war und hat ihn trotzdem verschont. ??
Relaludy 1 year ago
sehr cool.
Relaludy 1 year ago
oder mal andersrum gefragt welche techniken aus diesem film waren nicht korrekt? da alles etwas zusammengeschnitten ist um mehr action reinzubringen sieht alles plausibel aus.
Gabbafoo 1 year ago
Filmisch top,
nur der Kampf ist für meinen Geschmack zu showlastig. Besinnt euch auf historische Techniken, auch wenn der Kampf dann nicht so lange dauert :D
Stupides Gedresche gibt's in Hollywoodfilmen schon genug...
dreamterrormaster 1 year ago
@dreamterrormaster der kampf war zwar ungewöhnlich lang für einen normalen schwertkampf - dennoch würde ich die techniken sogar als relativ realistisch einschätzen. Mir hat besonders gut das hämmern mit der parrierstange gefallen (ganz am ende).
ich mags - macht n ganzen film draus ^^
Gabbafoo 1 year ago
remake with historically accurate fighting. then it will be perfect
bsapaka 1 year ago 21
@bsapaka
Agreed. I loved this video, but the fight was confusing and unrealistic.
There is no way that the winner could have stood on a leg wound like that, let alone fought. It would have given out long before that moment when he was shoved simply because the greatsword requires excellent footwork to use effectively.
And that last maneuver could *easily* have been disrupted by shoving the guy as he pirouetted.
grailchaser 1 year ago
@bsapaka, I didn't think the fighting was at all bad. I'd like it to be more fluid, but obviously the choreographer had studied some fechtbuchs. Certainly better than most Hollywood stuff.
Cabochon1360 9 months ago
@bsapaka Besides a half dozen "film" style combat moves. They are.
MageryGuy 8 months ago
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Gonnakillyou 8 months ago
@bsapaka are you fucking stupid? it is accurate, hell, I know all of those movements and use some of them...fcking ignorant
jetzkel 6 months ago
@bsapaka The guard the aggressor took was historically accurate, even if it was a weak version. He was attempting to do the Ochs guard. The bearded man took up the Vom Tag and Tag guards multiple times. The parrying was a bit unrealistic, as they weren't parrying from the guards and weren't uses blocks or parries that would allow follow up strikes. It was nice seeing the guards used, even if they weren't spot on
akanaaz 5 months ago
das war der hammer wunderschöner film lnge nicht mehr sowwas geiles gesehen bitte mehr davon^^
Drummerwalter 1 year ago
Tja, da siehts man mal wieder: Dass man mit so wenig so viel erreichen kann.
Dagegen sehen manche Hollywolld Filme mit ihren übertriebenen Effekten ziemlich alt aus.....
sebbienator 1 year ago
As for fight realism, it’s a movie. What’s real about lightsabers, or anything necessarily in an imaginary world? The question I would ask; would, how we think they really fought, translate well through the narrow gaze of a camera lens, if it doesn’t make it up, but if it does; why not?
guerrillaroach 1 year ago
@guerrillaroach The fight realism issue isn't a matter comparable to the imaginary nature of something like the lightsaber. I think people are concerned that the techniques being used by the fellows in the video are unrealistic--meaning that they wouldn't work. It doesn't matter if it's fantasy; the mechanics of fighting are the same. So the issue is never the fact that "lightsabers aren't realistic," it's the fact that "that dude should have caught a lightsaber in the guts with that move."
ruebuscm 1 year ago
@ruebuscm: lol. You miss my point re the lightsaber, I simply mean that imaginary is the state of fantasy and therefore fine. I gave a 'how I would do it scenario'. It was just my critique and ideas. About fight mechanics, who cares as long as it looks cool and is appropriate for the context? In real Middle Ages battles a great deal was done to avoid blade on blade contact. But audiences love a kick arse sword fight so who does it properly, authentic tends towards the visually boring?
guerrillaroach 1 year ago
@guerrillaroach Eh, I see your point. Personally, I think the proper techniques can be made to look very cool. There's something awesome in the fact that a real swordfight might have been more like a gunfight--quick and brutal. Anyway, a fight between masters, i.e. the "boss battle" of the movie, could last for a while, and the real techniques would only serve to make it more visceral and less "fantasy." But, that is just my opinion, and you of course are entitled to your own. Peace!
ruebuscm 1 year ago
@ruebuscm: Sweet as bro :)
guerrillaroach 1 year ago
Didn’t like the fight much, it was the same problem with the close ups in Alexander, I’d have preferred a mix of mid range shots to allow the cool move factor to be fully appreciated. Keep some close ups to build the drama and defiantly keep those cool long shots, but less ‘no character’ shots.
guerrillaroach 1 year ago
The kill move was pretty cool and I liked the drama between the two combatants. Who will win? Who is the aggressor? Senses of honour and pride, it was a compelling aspect of the scene.
guerrillaroach 1 year ago
This is awesome one of my top fave vids
Setenza4 1 year ago
Es muss einfach einen zweiten teil Geben ..... Bitte ihr habt das so geil gemacht ....
FahrenderRitter 1 year ago
Why on earth bother with beautiful locations, decent costumes and swordplay if you are going to film it in new-jack Hollywood closeup action style? Its like the camera man was in between these two, getting buffeted around by the action. Pull back, show the fight from a bit of a distance so we can benefit from all the effort and time put into the swordplay, costumes and scenery. Show off the skill, show off the effort. Sadly, this is directed so badly that its a waste to watch...
pinworms70 1 year ago
Geile Kammer Führung einfach geil ....
FahrenderRitter 1 year ago
Damn, it's just as good as when I last watched it.
666satanification666 1 year ago
good filming and acting but terrible fight choreography
bsapaka 1 year ago
@bsapaka why bad? At least it's way more historically accurate than most stuff you see in movies.
Great viewing points and camera movement, great sound, no obsolete fancy stuff, just a clean raw fight. Absolutely love it!
NvmThemHereIAm 1 year ago
@NvmThemHereIAm I'd say it's just as bad as historical accuracy goes, well, ok guard positions but that's it. The film is still great though, and the scenery is perfect for a killing match. Just silent trees, mist and crush of metal.
Ranziel1 1 year ago
@Ranziel1 true and you also don't often see guys in movies do a donnerschlag or what's it called (holding the blade and hitting with the guard) A little accuracy goes a long way in movies nowadays
NvmThemHereIAm 1 year ago
@NvmThemHereIAm
the choreography is bad because it is not the way people fought back then.
The methods that knights used to kill people were way more complex than any movie comes close to portraying. In fact, trained swordsmen possessed just as much skill, concentration, strength, speed, and reflexes as any of the worlds' greatest warriors (like the samurai, for example). These two knights simply use hack n slash when they fight
bsapaka 1 year ago
@bsapaka : I agree with you to an extent; the technical aspects of medeival sword-fighting were complex and clever, but like any stylised process ('katas') the actual reality of useage might be very different from the theory learned. Fighters in battle would often be hungry, travel-weary, wounded or maybe ill and, to add to all that, carrying padding and armour. Those who have tried free-fighting in historically-correct outfits will admit it's highly strenuous...
Original50 1 year ago
Boa, die ganzen Masken sind aber echt mal Hammermässig gut (die Verletzungen sehen echt real aus).
Auch mal ein schöner Kampf ohne zuviel sinnloses gefuchtel. Bin echt begeistert.
Das einzige was mich persönlich ein bisschen gestört hat war die hecktische Kameraführung während des Kampfes, ich hätte lieber eine ruhigere Kameraführung gehabt, damit man die ganzen Aktionen besser sieht. Kämpfen könnt ihr ja, wiso versteckt ihrs dann hinter einer hecktischen Kameraführung?
Gruss
ThaStecher 1 year ago
Wirklich wirklich gut...
ein guter Schwertkampfclip mit nicht einem Saumrai drin
Find ich klasse.
Ximmers 1 year ago
Wunderschön! Ich liebe das Thema Schwertkampf und die Requisiten im Film! Szenerie und Licht passen! Videoqulität ausgezeichnet! Man erkennt sogar die alten Kampftechniken! Einzig die Musik hätte ich anders gemacht. Etwas episches oder Metal.
NordicDragon117 1 year ago
Das ist die Art von Kameraführung und Videoqualität wo ich auch mal hin will.
Superkurzfilm
ErikTributsch 1 year ago
tolle filmerische und schauspielerische leistung !
spee34 1 year ago
fantastic, a great effort!!!
TSOAS2008 1 year ago
sprachlos
frekisshadow 1 year ago
i hate it when the hero dies.
stupidnamenoonecares 1 year ago
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Wenigstens mal ein realistischer Kampf. Sieht mir eher nach einem Duell zwischen Vater und Sohn aus.
OdinnsErbe 1 year ago
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OdinnsErbe 1 year ago
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OdinnsErbe 1 year ago
Unglaubliche Leistung, euch sollte man 300 Mio. für einen Dreiteiler geben ;)
Blaineeer 1 year ago
Hammer film 5* leider zu kurz hätte gern mehr gesehn gefällt mit echt gut
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