LOOOL... and you just dont want to accept the truth that you come from Armenia... according to this video,Roman empire was actualy Albanian empire,Persia was made by Albanians and Mochamed was also a Albanian!LOL... you are realy funny!
@MrHaedshot94 dude the roman empire had 3 illyrian emperors,this doesnt make it illyrian.Only cuz an illyrian(A the Great) invaded it doesnt make it illyrian,what hes sdaying is that we are illyrians
@YAUJTAwarrior i claim even that we serbs arent slavs... we all are mixure... there is no illyrians today... as there is no real egyptians nor real latins... migration of population made it so... claiming that youre illyrians is like that english`s claim that they are brittons(old tribe in britany...)
@MrHaedshot94 yes were all mixtures but what i mean is this'60%-70% of the albanian DNA is Tjillyrian,20%thracian and the rest a mix,serbs DNA is 60% slavic the rest is a mixture.The desceandants of the illyrians are albanians,and i can prove that.But no,there is no country in the world thats 90-100% pure,exept china,russia wich are 80-90%pure
@YAUJTAwarrior Illyrians exist since,lets say 800-900 B.C.(not exact,aproximetly)!In that time on Balkan you had many Celtic(Gaul) tribes,Greeks and Persians... after that Romans came... in time of Romans a tribe called Albanians was transfered from Armenian mountains to Balkan,province Illyria... after that Goths,Vandals,Huns were on Balcan... after them Slavs... and after Slavs,Turks came... as smaller population Germans always existed on Balkan... so after all this nations,you claim
@YAUJTAwarrior that you are 60-70% Illyrian?In russia,you have almost 30% Muslim population... As much as you can claim that you are Illyrians,i can claim that we,Serbs are latins,we have some latin names,gramatic rules,letters,words... i would like to see any written proof that Illyrians are actualy Albanians... language,religion may be changed and keeped,depends of a people,will they change or no,but a true written proof cant be changed!
@MrHaedshot94 send me an msg so i can reply you,i will give you sites,organisations,linguistic,folcloric and everything you want just msg cuz youtube wont allow me to type the pages
lol albanians are funny first they steal serbian hero djordje kastiotic and then they want to steal greek heroes very funny.maybe is better for albos to go to azerbaija that is yours homeland azeris
looks like albanians were everywhere even before the universe started to built itself.. and btw who was first on the moon? - sooner or later we will hear that they were albanians and of course they will claim that the moon is theirs :))))
albanians are a mix of peoples. otherwise they would not resemble ANY other europeans. All europeans are mixtures of MANY previous cultures & ethnicities. what do you know of Illyrians? There is no documentation of what an Illyrian was! Were they half-Greek, half-German? Instead of being DIVISIVE, perhaps you Balkan people should be merging into 1 nation, you'd be better able to stand against your enemies then.
ah, you make a big mistake at 0:50. There is NO DATA shown in ottoman territory, not a contrast! Look at the index, there is no blank shading except for "no data".
Also the genetic comparison shows that Albanians are more like Greeks than Kosovars.
1) the video shows that there is no data for the ottoman part of europe at 0:50. (this is proved by LOOKING at the diagram. The key doesn't have "white" areas, which means that it isn't part of the data.
2) the genetic comparison shows that Albanians are more like Greeks than Kosovars (this refers to 1:19 where most of Albania is more like Greece than Kosovo. The E3b1 is DEEP RED in Kosovo &most of Albania is more like Greece. LOOK!
@alb0zfinest, of course the video's author is wrong:
1) his conclusions are wrong
2) he uses genetic information that is only part of a much bigger picture of genetics.
3) he pretends the "albanian" costume originated in Albania when the entire balkan peninsula was using it (greatly implying it originates with the Byzantines or earlier).
4) he uses ancient statues that obviously come from the ancient GREEK colonies (Epidamnus, Bothrotum, Apollonia, Lissos, etc).
@muslUnbounded waw exacly the entire balkans was using it because thats how big the illyrian empire was if not bigger. the statues are not from greek colonies there are many of those close to butrint, there are in fier nd many other places. lastly i dont think albanians are more like greeks, i think greeks are more like albanians =)
@alb0zfinest, the costumes used in the balkans are a medieval costume, not an ancient one. Greek-style clothing was worn throughout the mediterranean world, but that style changed when the Byzantine-Orthodox prudery resulted in wearing less revealing clothing.
The Illyrians lived in the mountains, the Greeks lived on the coasts.
There was no Illyrian "empire" because Illyrians (many SEPARATE tribes) were never united under emperors until the Roman ones.
@muslUnbounded thay may be how the name would be stated in greek but that doesnt make it a greek colony. u quite wrong there mate the illyrians setteld in the low lands where they could farm. illyrians only a few setteld in northern greece while others settled in modern day albania and kosovo. there was an illyrian empire u just lack the knowledge of it, the illyrians made an empire there was two kings and they invaded greece and neighboring countries
@alb0zfinest, no it is quite well-known that Bothrotum was a Greek colony. The Greeks colonized many parts of the mediterranean, even Marseilles (Massilia), Naples (Neapolis) and Odessa started as Greek colonies (see Wikipedia "colonies in antiquity").
Ancient Illyrians did not live in southern Albania, they lived in central & northern Albania and farther north along the Adriatic and in the interior. Southern Albania was part of Epirus, as the 2nd map of that article shows.
@muslUnbounded haha do u really receive ur information on wikipedia? were 5 year olds can post as well? very pathetic. i never stated illyrians settled in southern albania i simply said in albania and kosovo. Southern albania and many places in northern greece were both parts of albania.
@alb0zfinest, those maps are the same ones you find in all the regular encyclopedias. The only time the Albanians got into northern Greece and Epirus was when they were Ottoman lapdogs and benefitted from becoming moslems. Their traditional territory excludes northern Greece and Epirus and the ethnic charts show Greeks in southern Albania.
@muslUnbounded haha its funny how u speak of the ottoman era when Greeks were one of the first to loose nd be invaded, u became their prostitutes while albania nd its ppl ressited for over 45 years. nd i would like links to ur statements they seem completely false
@alb0zfinest, that's stupid! When the Ottomans invaded Balkans, there was no one except the Byzantine (Greek) Empire! No one! petty tribes in the mountains are not real nations, they're just someone you pick off when they provoke you enough, or if someone discovers gold in the mountains.
Albanians are the real prostitutes, you sold your "souls" to islam!!! islam is the world's stupidest cult. It's NOT surprising that your country fell for a national pyramid scheme, when you fell for islam!!!
@muslUnbounded When the ottomans inavded the greeks a second invasion took place and serbia was conquered. the only countires that ressited were albania and hungaria, however hungaria after almost 1 year was conquered as well. while albania ressited for over 45 years, to an army that was considerd the best of its time with over 300,000 or more troops
albanians continued to ressst but in the last battle it was 2000 vs 89,000 albanains didnt become sluts to islam they were forced
@alb0zfinest, you try to make it sound like Albania was a prize! Some people don't think it's worth invading a country whose net worth back then was the equivalent of a coupon for free small order of fries at McDonalds. Meanwhile the Byzantine Empire was a wealthy target that attracted 10 nations to try to conquer it.
Albania is "free" now, why are your people still sluts to islam? Freedom cannot exist in a moslem nation, the government exists to beat you on the streets in a moslem nation.
@muslUnbounded ahaha 10nations? ur retarded because it didnt make a difference albania was under byzantine rule u just lack that knowledge so its not like albania was aimed last because it was poorer, ALBANIA WAS PART OF THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE IDIOT. albanians are not a slut to islam the majority of albania is atheist or agnostic u FUCKING IDIOT U DONT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING U DONT EVEN RESEARCH THEN U TRY TO STATE SOMETHING. the albanain regime is democratic and has nothing to do with islam shit head
@alb0zfinest, really? you doubt the number of nations that came against the Byzantines?
1) Slavs 2) Bulgars 3) Alans 4) Huns 5) Arabs (moslems) 6) Ottomans 7) Visigoths 8) Ostrogoths 9) Persians 10) Other "barbarian" hordes i'm not going to bother to look up.
plus all the nations in the 4th Crusade that backstabbed Constantinople.
The CIA Factbook records 70% of Albanians as moslems, I'll take their word over yours ALWAYS. The recent riots are about corruption, crime & lack of democracy.
@muslUnbounded haha u think u know better then me about the protest when i myself witnessed it? waw. the slavs werent against the byzantine empire and nither were the rest that u previsouly listed. the ottoman empire itself invaded the byzantine empire and conquered it, the bulgars were christain themselv y would they wanna become muslim if thats what they were trying to avoid, its just logic that u simply dont have. and actually those werent my listings nd the 70% thing was 2005 idiot
@alb0zfinest, none of your "points" are valid, they are empty statements where you decide, "oh, i'll talk about slavs AFTER they've taken their bite out of the Empire, and i'll talk about the Bulgars AFTER they've become orthodox (and taken their bite out of the Empire)."
2005 is not long ago, have your people burned the mosques down already? i don't think anyone has given up their superstitions in your country.
@muslUnbounded bite? that may be the case but after the ottomans were invading it isnt as if though they were betrying the byzantine and fighting for the turks. its not neccesary to burn down historical things the one ine skanderbeg square is over 400 years old y ruin that? and i never stated none were muslim i said 17% of the population were still followers of islam. in albania it isnt as it is in Greece were muslims and christians do not live in peace together,
@alb0zfinest, if you think your moslems in Albania can live in peace with Christians, you don't know the koran. the koran dictates moslems to take political control and subject the "dimis" into inferior status. When islam becomes the state religion of Albania, christians will have inferior status in courts and on the streets, and atheists will be treated even worse. The FYROMians are quite concerned about the large numbers of Albanian minarets and mosques dominating the west of their country.
@australbanian, have you read AT ALL?!?! The koran disputes Christ's claims (from the bible) and sets the example of committing genocides and atrocities against Jews. Perhaps you have never read it and are gullibly accepting the propaganda of the deceitful extremist imams. If you had read both the bible and koran, you would know that mohammed very badly fails Moses' test for prophets and mohammed denies Christ (making him anti-christ).
@muslUnbounded You are mistaken about the Koran, Greek boy. Christ was considered a prophet. The Koran respects people of the Book (Jews.) Individuals have made false intereptations. Catholic inquisitions, Crusaders, Spanish Inquisition. I have read both.
@australbanian, i'm not Greek, i'm Canadian, dumbass. And when someone who claims to be divine (as Christ did) is told by the koran that he's delusional, well there is obviously a conflict of opinions. the bible states undeniably that Christ was a divine being who, with another divine being called "God", created everything in the universe (John 1). The koran has no authority (neither does the bible) and ignorant shithead mohammed was just repeating bullshit when he disputed Christ's claim.
@muslUnbounded Was he now! Coming from a galvanised yank, that seems remarkable. Your Canadian English doesn't make sense. It's obvious you have read neither book.
@australbanian, "galvanized yank"? you're truly bizarrely bent, but what can be said about an albanian living in ALGERIA! i've probably read more books than you've ever looked at. as for name-brands, no, i'm not a sheep who does what marketing assholes try to make me do, that's for the tiny-minded. And there's no such thing as a non-branded appliance, childling. Hitler's doctrine was retarded racism, all he cared about was blue eyes & blond hair, which he valued above brown-eyed geniuses.
@muslUnbounded Then you should of read Mein Kamf. Chinese appliances flooding the western market. They're considered non-branded items. Then you must be a negative-orientated individual, since you could not percieve wisdom in the Koran or the Bible.
I know the bible and koran better than you (obviously). They are both hate literature and worthy of burning. Anyone who believes in a god, is a delusional fool and delusional fools can be very happy, so can drug addicts (which is very similar to believing in gods) & alcoholics.
A person who knows what is REALLY true, cannot be happy with such a f*cked up world. Just as the Arabs are unhappy with their governments, EVERY sane person is disappointed with the world system.
@australbanian, far better than anything you said. and your comments are truly laughable, until one considers that he shouldn't laugh at mentally retarded people. There is nothing perfect about the world, neither the physical planet (which is racked by earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, hurricanes/typhoons/cyclones, dust storms, droughts, locust, diseases, asteroids/comets, etc), nor the human world (which is racked by despots, religious fanatics, imperialists, and the corporations).
@muslUnbounded Doomsday is coming to you. So you should remain in your snowbound cell for the duration. Spinoza:Liberate yourself from the tyranny of fear.
@alb0zfinest, if you think your moslems in Albania can live in peace with Christians, you don't know the koran. the koran dictates moslems to take political control and subject the "dimis" into inferior status. When islam becomes the state religion of Albania, christians will have inferior status in courts and on the streets, and atheists will be treated even worse. The FYROMians are quite concerned about the large numbers of Albanian minarets & mosques dominating the west of their country.
@muslUnbounded those in macedonia are people from kosovo who attempted to escape the kosovo war in 1999, now because uve never been to albania u cant comment about it, albania has 3times as many churchs as mosques. U dont comprehend one thing albanians are not true muslims, they do not pray 5 times a day, none go to mecca, they just simply consider themselvs muslims and beliv in allah, i dont wanna even start on the kuran because 90% of them dont read it.
@alb0zfinest, i hope you're right about Albanian moslems, because otherwise they will commit a genocide against the non-moslems the next time the world is in flames. that's just what moslems do. if you saw a listing of turkish genocides, you would clearly see that turks have committed genocide after genocide. in fact, hitler got his balls to commit his genocides from the fact that "no one remembers the armenians" (or the Assyrians, Greeks, Kurds).
@muslUnbounded besides even if lets say the albanians were true mulsims and there were many they would never do that because it isnt in their nature, they've seen howmuch they sufferd from war after war, continious ressisting so they wouldnt do that to others. albanians are pretty peaceful people the problem is that many countries like urs dispise albania, why i dont know.
@alb0zfinest, Canada doesn't despise Albania. and NATO helped Kosovo get its independence, even though it was illegally performed.
It is odd to hear an Albanian speaking of being peaceful, when some of the most rabid warlike commentors on youtube are Albanian. If you are peaceful, i applaud you, but many of your people don't seem very much like you at all.
@muslUnbounded not really most of the balkans hate albania, in asia albania has no allies, it use to be very good allies with Russia and china but that was in the past. Canada ok but canada is not even a major power like that, . the only one north america is the u.s and argentina in south america. Its like that because albania was isolated for over 40 years.
its obvious y they would act like that have u seen all the propaganda that is put of albanians
@alb0zfinest, antipathy towards Albania is due to Enver Hoxha's false histories enflaming Albanians to claim territories belonging to other nations (such as Kosovo, Eastern Montenegro, Western Macedonia) or populated by other nations (Epirus). The same logic that causes Kosovars to secede from Serbia, would cost Albania its southern 20-25% to Greece.
Albania was isolated because Hoxha was brainwashing the nation. Hopefully, Albanians will benefit from the info available on the internet.
@muslUnbounded Enver Hoxha ws a great patriot and statesman. He took an impoverished nation and made into fortress Albania. The West never wanted Albania; its only ally was Russia and Yugoslavia.
@alb0zfinest, btw, Brazil is far more powerful than argentina. Brazilians are 201,000,000, while Argentinians are 43,000,000.
Canada is an important power, it is a G7 nation. We are the world's 2nd largest nation (after Russia), and we are developed and wealthy. Our population is only 34,000,000 but we are more important than those numbers imply.
If it wasn't for Hoxha's brainwashing, Albanians would realize that there is no threat against them.
@muslUnbounded exacly im not saying that its the best thing that argentina is albanias allie i simply said its albanias only allie in south america. g7 is good economically speaking, but when it comes to military Canada isint so big. U cant say that he brainwashed them, he was right to tell the people because land was taken away from albania. and what of the kosovo 1999 ethnic cleansing? they said there is no threat no this no that, and resulted in 1.5m displaced and over 10,000 demises
@alb0zfinest, true our military has a lot of territory to protect.
Hoxha did brainwash people, because you have this idea that territories that were never under Albanian control should be ceded to Albania, whether there are Albanians there or not. Take the myth of "Chameria", Albanians only lived in the southern coastal area of that territory but were still outnumbered by the Greeks there. Northern "Chameria" was populated by Greeks and Aromanians (forming majorities in different parts).
@alb0zfinest, regarding ethnic cleansing, it is a terrible thing. historically, the United Nations used to treat EVERY national boundary as inviolable (to prevent "thousands" of potential wars), but at some point very recently, this doctrine changed. Whereas nations were called upon to treat their ethnic minorities well, now nations can lose territory where ethnic minorities predominate, which has very negative implications for allowing immigration and guest workers. This is dangerous.
btw, if you look at the "DNA studies", Kosovans and Albanians appear to be 2 different people. In fact, Kosovo would be shaving pieces out of northern Albania, while the southern and eastern half of Albania look to have more in common with the Greeks than the Kosovans.
@muslUnbounded ur a bit wrong there, land was taken away from albania, as soon as albania recieved independence. just research. about the dna thing, thats prob because the people in kosovo were involved with serbs when yougoslavia was formed. And btw those that u speak of are prob greek and not albanian, because there are over 58,000 greeks who r citizens and consider themselvs albanian
the igenea "project" is just a deceitful project aimed at robbing people of money using pseudo-science.
watch this video:
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btw, are you aware that the ethnic Greeks of southern "Albania" in 1914 proclaimed the Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus? It was recognized by Albania until Albania collapse in WW1. It came under control by Greece until the Italians drove the Greeks out.
@alb0zfinest, the turks were out of the picture in 1914. my understanding is that the albanians were allies because they were both moslems. in fact, the albanians had spread out of their ancestral lands because of the freedom they had as moslems in a moslem empire.
@muslUnbounded haha freedom? im srry to say but ur completely wrong if albania had freedom as u state, albania wouldve been way developed, After the defenses could no longer hold and the ottomans conquerd albania, for the rest of the time, somany women were raped , some of the men were forced to work for the ottomans, and all were forced to turn muslim. it isint like countries such as greece, greece didnt ressit for a long time albania did, so the ottomans had to make them pay somehow
@alb0zfinest, when i talk about albanians' freedom, i'm talking about during the ottoman times when the albanian moslems were able to go about freely. moslems typically will set their eyes on a territory, cull the local population and then infest it. how do you think all those turks filled up the balkans as shown on ethnographic maps of the ottoman period and its aftermath?
The Greeks were the biggest resisters of the ottomans, keeping them out of the balkans for centuries.
@muslUnbounded ahaha biggest ressisters? the greeks fell after the 2nd or 3rd invasion which was 1month, albanains ressisted 25 years with gjergj kastrioti then 12 more years after his demise.
albanian muslems? they were all muslem because they were forced to convert to islam. Albanians never cliamed land that was theirs, besides they wouldnt be permitted by the ottomans even if they wanted to
@alb0zfinest, you seem to be quite ready to forget what i am referring to, which is that it took the ottomans centuries to capture constantinople. the balkans were not threatened until then. so those decades that the Greek Georgios Kastriotis ("Skanderbeg" is an attempt to "Albanianize" him) held out, don't compare to the centuries.
When they converted to islam, they reaped many benefits in an islamic empire. Their children weren't stolen to serve the sultan & their word meant more in court.
@muslUnbounded during that time albania was under byzantine so it isint as if though albania was saved for last, albania and hungary were the only ones that ressisted for a while and bought time for renaissance to grow. albanians word meant nothing in court, they were given no rights and were treated worse then others haha changing his name from Gjergj to georgios does not make him greek u r the ones who r attempting to steal him. all know hes albanain only serbs and greeks deny it. sad very sad
@alb0zfinest, are you not aware that the fall of Constantinople led to the migration of Greek artists, books & thought from Constantinople to the West & BEGAN the Renaissance?
All moslems can persecute a christian in court, because the word of christians has less weight than the word of moslems in moslem courts. When Albanians became moslem, they reaped the benefits of oppressing their neighbors legally.
Perhaps Kastriotis was "albanian" but why was his name "kastriotis" if he wasn't Greek?
@muslUnbounded the renaissance began in italy, look it up anywere nd it will tell u that.
do u not comprehend? no ALBANIANS WERENT PERMITTED TO DO ANYTHING Y WOULD THE TURKS RAPE AND KILL ALBANIANS THEN LET THEM GO TO COURT THATS JUST RIDICILOUS. there was no law in albania during that time, people werent gettig educated, they were slaves and servants to the ottomans.
His name was not Kastriotis his name was Kastrioti he was born in sine, besides y would he fight for albanians if he was grek
@alb0zfinest, the renaissance began in Italy but it was the influx of Byzantine citizens fleeing the turks that started it. The renaissance is the rebirth of the values of the ancient Greeks in art, literature and learning. that is why paintings of classical Greek mythological events and figures are so highly-represented in the works of the renaissance. This is a fact, check it.
the turks raped the christian albanians, not the moslem ones. the albanian moslems also raped christians.
@muslUnbounded lol wtff? albanain muslims did not exist because they were under byzantine afte rthe ottomans invaded all had to convert to muslims, so there were no some muslims and some christians. Kastrioti is albanian if u add the s sounds greek but because there is no s it does not sound greek. HE WAS ALBANIAN it doesnt make sense for him to be greek and fight for albania. its very sad from u greeks, first trying to claim alexander from macedonians then Gjergj from albania
@alb0zfinest, first of all, i'm not greek. 2ndly, alexander was greek even the bible says so, so if you're christian, you can refer to the book of daniel where alexander is called a greek. if you're not christian, then refer to the scads of historical documents that show that not only are macedonians just another tribe of greeks, but alexander claims descent through a spartan line. fyromians are trying to pretend that alexander was a slav (!!!) 1000 years before slavs arrived in the balkans!
@australbanian, your idiotic statement that Alexander hated Greeks and Spartans hated Greeks is beyond the limits of ridiculous. Alexander was a Greek and so were the Spartans. Only a complete moron is ignorant of these facts. If Alexander hated Greeks, why the hell did he spread Greek culture throughout his known world?!?! Why was he educated as a Greek?
Your statement is as absurd as "Hitler hated Jewish people and therefore he spread Jewish culture throughout the world!"
@muslUnbounded Alexander was never a Greek, and neither are you. The Spartans fought many wars against Greeks. There were alliances, but the Spartans stood their ground against the Persians, while the Greeks deserted. Alexander put 20 K Greeks into slavery after he found out that they had become mercanaries for the Persians. Hitler was a statesman. He didn't hate Jews. Hellinic culture was a business venture nothing more.
@australbanian, you're displaying quite blatantly conclusive signs of mental illness--in one paragraph you call me a Greek & the next you say i'm not a Greek--and you call hitler a statesman!!! You have been brainwashed by your silly little communist dictator Hoxha into believing a false history that ONLY your little cult nation believes (and yet you're a fascist!). All international historians know the facts that Spartans were Greeks, & Alexander only punished non-allies, being Greek himself.
@alb0zfinest, lastly, georgios kastriotis (whom the albanians like to call by what is clearly a greek name) doesn't have a name that sounds the least bit albanian. if his name isn't greek, the closest sound to it is ITALIAN. i'm sure the albanians he led called him Gjergj Kastrioti, because they weren't speaking greek. But everything about that name is Greek from the fact that "Georgios" is pure greek & has been imported into MANY nations from them, & that Kastiotis means person from Kastri-.
@muslUnbounded it does sound albanian its just that u dont speak the language, as i said previously it does not make sense for him to be greek and fight for the albanians. and im nither christian or muslim im an atheist
@muslUnbounded kastrioti is very common, the kastrioti family were a noble albanian family in the early 1400 hundreds that ruled middle albania. they hailed from the Diber region. The first member of the kastrioti family was Pal Kastrioti who fought with his albanian knights on the side of the serbs in the battle of kosovo against the ottomans. in 1444 gjergj kastrioti united all the albanian princes and said to the albanians: " I have not brought you liberty, I found it here among you"
@alb0zfinest, interesting history lesson, but you've undermined one of your earlier points. You said Pal fought with serbs against turks, so why wouldn't Georgios lead albanians against the turks too?
Actually I just found some quotes from Kastriotis & Benjamin Disraeli ("The Rise of Iskander"). This ebook is available online for free. Kastriotis calls himself a Greek.
"The despots of Bosnia, Servia, & Bulgaria, & the Grecian princes of Etolia, Macedon, Epirus, Athens, Phocis, Boeotia"
@muslUnbounded lead albanians against the turks? when they were the least developed and had the least amount of people, that would just be stupid of him.
@muslUnbounded quoted? and the author bases that? clearly u are a greek do not try to fool me by stateing ur not, if u actually werent u wouldnt care. Even if a million books say that, the true history is taht he gatherd albanian princes and fought along side with them agains the ottomans. he had nothing to do with greeks. if he was actually greek sources would say so. those who said he was greek were ither stupid, greek themselvs, or they knew nothing about albania. due to isolation of albania
@alb0zfinest, people from all nations tell me that i am this, that, and the other thing, because I "interfere" by expressing the opinions of the unbiased position. Disraeli also was unbiased and wrote the biography of "iskander", quoting Kastriotis identifying himself as a Greek.
Disraeli was not an ignorant person, he researched and wrote what he believed was true in order to report the truth to his people and the parliament of his time.
@muslUnbounded believed was true? is very distinguishable from the actual truth. Gjergj Kastrioti was albanian, changing his name from Gjergj to georgious of how it would b in greek does not make him greek.
@alb0zfinest, you're trying very hard to change historical facts. "Gjergj" is just an Albanian form of a Greek name. If Georgios was Albanian, why doesn't he have an Albanian name? Clearly, as Disraeli proves in his book about "Iskander", Georgios Kastriotis was a Greek, as he often says, a Greek prince. I'm not going to be persuaded by your unfounded claims.
I now am convinced that "Iskander" was Greek, and you have offered no credible evidence to the contrary.
@muslUnbounded gjergj is an albanian name, obviously if u change it to Georgios it sounds Greek, unfourtunately for u its Gjergj. end of discussion. if he actually was Greek, it would say so in international websites,, but it doesnt because hes albanian. what of ur answer that he gatherd the albanian princes and fought with them against the ottomans?
@alb0zfinest, your argument about the name is LESS valid than my statement of what his name is. And we have the testimony of Benjamin Disraeli that he was a Greek prince. Gathering Albanian princes doesn't make him Albanian. You still have not made one salient point.
@muslUnbounded rite so think logically y would he gather albanian princes and fight with them? y wasnt that the least he didnt use those albanian soldiers to help the greek gain independence. 1) his name is Gjergj, 2) even if his name was Gergios WHICH IT WASNT obviously, they were influenced by the greeks, after all the greeks and albanians were all under one empire
@alb0zfinest, he gathered Albanians the same way the US gathered other foreigners to conduct the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, and the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Anciently, Alexander gathered troops from all corners of his empire, as have other empires in the past. What is so unusual about a man using non-kinspeople in an army?!?!
I'm still waiting for ONE valid point.
I think the absence of such from your argument is absolutely telling and definitive.
@muslUnbounded ok but the invasion of Iraq every1 was required to help out. Skanderbeg was albanian he went back and gatherd the albanians. Gjergj was his name, but lets say his name was Georgios that still doesnt make him greek, obviously there was greek influence in albania. if u actually took time to google gjergj kastrioti u would know that in 95% of the websites say hes albanian, even international websites. r u claiming u know better than all those ppl? and actual experts?
@alb0zfinest, the reason that "95%" of websites call him "Gjergj" is because the albanians are obsessed with him and they are referring to him often. Greece has a far richer history and far more to talk about than just one man. The LIBRARIES which contain books that EDUCATE rather than opine or bs, contain books that refer to him as a Greek, such as Benjamin Disraeli's book, which clinches the argument.
@muslUnbounded clinches the argument? who says that his information was from a reliable source? just because he states that doesnt make Gjergj kastrioti Greek. albanians being obbsessd with gjergj kastrioti is not a valid reason for every1 to believe hes albanian, in many ancient artifacts and what has been found he is albanian. mate Mother teresa was albanian, Alexander the great was partly albanian, muhamed ali pasha who ruled the whole egypt, Pope clement XI william g gregory,josephdioguardi
@alb0zfinest, LOL! teresa was a propaganda job. do you know what she did? she had hostels for people to come to die at. she didn't help people who could have been referred to a hospital, she only gave them a place to resign themselves to death. "don't fight to live, just die" was her message. Then the roman catholic propaganda machine tried to pump her up into someone who gave a sh*t. she wasn't.
As for Alexander, Albanians didn't even exist back in his day. moh a.p. committed genocide.
@alb0zfinest, NOTHING GOOD can EVER be said about popes! They're deceitful liars who exist to pat the Emperor's back, while the Emperor pats the pope's back. It's a fascist church/state alliance intended to control the "commoners" & not for the people's good either, just to monopolize power.
Let me show you what Christ said about these disobedient "christians":
Matthew 23:9 "Do not call ANYONE on earth ‘father,’ [pope] for you have one Father, and he is in heaven."
@muslUnbounded lol yea propaganda job thats y she was awarded the noble peace prize by the U.S president himself and India's highest civilian honour the barat ratna. she gave money and gave homes to thousands of poor children. she provided hospitals for those with hiv and aids. and many more things. actually albanians did exist, i dont know if u have knowledge of the illyrians but albanians are their descendants. muhamed ali is consider as the founder of modern egypt
@alb0zfinest, wow, you really don't understand how corrupt american politics are! The US president was simply sucking up to the 50 million catholics that can help destroy his party in an election.
as for giving money, she had none. she distributed donations to CATHOLIC organizations that built the homes and "hospitals". Watch "Hitch vs. Donohue". Christopher Hitchens is the man!
btw, catholicism SIGNIFICANTLY contributed to the SPREAD of AIDS because of their hostility to condoms.
@alb0zfinest, albanians are not ancient. they may have genetic input from illyrians (like others) but they also have genetic input from other europeans like slavs, greeks, alans, romans, italians, turks, celts, huns, etc. To call oneself "illyrian" is to say that they have travelled here from the ancient past in a time machine. "illyrians" are extinct.
Language also proves nothing, as all those English- and French-speaking Africans in Africa, America, and Caribbean proves.
@alb0zfinest, as for kastrioti(s), still sounds like a Greek name, just like Epiroti(s). The people of the Balkans ALL fought against turkish power over them. I don't care to learn his history, but Sine sounds Greek too, we get the famous mathematical "sine" from Greek. Don't be so tribal, Greeks called everyone who was Orthodox a Greek. If his last name was Greek too, then his ancestry was ethnically Greek.
@australbanian well the argument went fine untill u appeard. no1 is saying dont post a comment, but just not 3 pages of comments in 1-2 days all by u
...dreams..., or neverending story
russerbgreek 1 week ago
0:40 are Macedonains .....Albanians steel culture of all Balkan nations shame you
KnezLazarGM 2 weeks ago
it is not great albania it is normal albania,
adhuruesi 1 month ago
@eosforosgrpt We do we export them to you bitches
1AlbaryanSabretigerr 3 months ago
Ethnic Albania
Bardh87 5 months ago
Greater Albania is EVIL
BOGZASV8MA 6 months ago
@BOGZASV8MA EX YOUR MAMA ,MADHER FACKER YOU ARE SRBIAN GIPSY FROM IRAN
lolkosova 5 months ago
@lolkosova YEA IN YOUR FANATASIES - LEARN TO WRITE ENGLISH....
BOGZASV8MA 5 months ago
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LOL
as great as my shit
48thescamp 7 months ago 2
@IbniVehbi real and ethnic Albania forever
dren1111 7 months ago
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GREAT FEKALIA
glodjovicanac 7 months ago
Le se e paske dhi videon me kete muzike
Marubi2 8 months ago
Greater Albania is a fact it may take some time but it is coming.
DASHOSHKRELI 9 months ago
GREATER ALBANIA , FACT , FUCK RUSSIA SERBIA GREECE
lilaborn 9 months ago
@lilaborn fuck you
1Norseth 7 months ago
GREAT FEKALIA
koliodimitrov 9 months ago
LOOOL... and you just dont want to accept the truth that you come from Armenia... according to this video,Roman empire was actualy Albanian empire,Persia was made by Albanians and Mochamed was also a Albanian!LOL... you are realy funny!
MrHaedshot94 10 months ago
@MrHaedshot94 dude the roman empire had 3 illyrian emperors,this doesnt make it illyrian.Only cuz an illyrian(A the Great) invaded it doesnt make it illyrian,what hes sdaying is that we are illyrians
YAUJTAwarrior 9 months ago
@YAUJTAwarrior i claim even that we serbs arent slavs... we all are mixure... there is no illyrians today... as there is no real egyptians nor real latins... migration of population made it so... claiming that youre illyrians is like that english`s claim that they are brittons(old tribe in britany...)
MrHaedshot94 9 months ago
@MrHaedshot94 yes were all mixtures but what i mean is this'60%-70% of the albanian DNA is Tjillyrian,20%thracian and the rest a mix,serbs DNA is 60% slavic the rest is a mixture.The desceandants of the illyrians are albanians,and i can prove that.But no,there is no country in the world thats 90-100% pure,exept china,russia wich are 80-90%pure
YAUJTAwarrior 9 months ago
@YAUJTAwarrior Illyrians exist since,lets say 800-900 B.C.(not exact,aproximetly)!In that time on Balkan you had many Celtic(Gaul) tribes,Greeks and Persians... after that Romans came... in time of Romans a tribe called Albanians was transfered from Armenian mountains to Balkan,province Illyria... after that Goths,Vandals,Huns were on Balcan... after them Slavs... and after Slavs,Turks came... as smaller population Germans always existed on Balkan... so after all this nations,you claim
MrHaedshot94 9 months ago
@YAUJTAwarrior that you are 60-70% Illyrian?In russia,you have almost 30% Muslim population... As much as you can claim that you are Illyrians,i can claim that we,Serbs are latins,we have some latin names,gramatic rules,letters,words... i would like to see any written proof that Illyrians are actualy Albanians... language,religion may be changed and keeped,depends of a people,will they change or no,but a true written proof cant be changed!
MrHaedshot94 9 months ago
@MrHaedshot94 ok then if proof is what you want ill give them to you but ill have 2 msg them
YAUJTAwarrior 9 months ago
@MrHaedshot94 send me an msg so i can reply you,i will give you sites,organisations,linguistic,folcloric and everything you want just msg cuz youtube wont allow me to type the pages
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lol albanians are funny first they steal serbian hero djordje kastiotic and then they want to steal greek heroes very funny.maybe is better for albos to go to azerbaija that is yours homeland azeris
SSSouthSlavic 10 months ago 2
looks like albanians were everywhere even before the universe started to built itself.. and btw who was first on the moon? - sooner or later we will hear that they were albanians and of course they will claim that the moon is theirs :))))
bieletricko 11 months ago
@bieletricko Of course, didn't you know Chuck Norris was Albanian too? :P
andreasb08 10 months ago
damn it guys i get it im awesome u dont hav to constantly say it
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
Why are there no castles in Greece?
australbanian 11 months ago
this is the link expressed differently:
watch?v=VMVVJrWYMzo&feature=related
albanians are a mix of peoples. otherwise they would not resemble ANY other europeans. All europeans are mixtures of MANY previous cultures & ethnicities. what do you know of Illyrians? There is no documentation of what an Illyrian was! Were they half-Greek, half-German? Instead of being DIVISIVE, perhaps you Balkan people should be merging into 1 nation, you'd be better able to stand against your enemies then.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded the illyrians are albanians here go to this link
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded And what would the official language be, Greek?
australbanian 11 months ago
"Gjergj" is the Albanian form for "Georgios" which is derived from Greek words:
Geo (earth) + ergos (worker) = Farmer
Georgios is a very common name in Greek and has spread to most of the Western World:
George (English)
Georges (French)
Gyurgi, Gyurgi
Jorgen, Jurg, Jurgen
Jorge (Spanish & Portuguese)
That Albanians would call Georgios "Gjergj" is not a surprise.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
ah, you make a big mistake at 0:50. There is NO DATA shown in ottoman territory, not a contrast! Look at the index, there is no blank shading except for "no data".
Also the genetic comparison shows that Albanians are more like Greeks than Kosovars.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded i would like to know were u recieved this flase information
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, are you illiterate?
I made 2 statements:
1) the video shows that there is no data for the ottoman part of europe at 0:50. (this is proved by LOOKING at the diagram. The key doesn't have "white" areas, which means that it isn't part of the data.
2) the genetic comparison shows that Albanians are more like Greeks than Kosovars (this refers to 1:19 where most of Albania is more like Greece than Kosovo. The E3b1 is DEEP RED in Kosovo &most of Albania is more like Greece. LOOK!
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded lol nd who says the creator of this video isint wrong?
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, of course the video's author is wrong:
1) his conclusions are wrong
2) he uses genetic information that is only part of a much bigger picture of genetics.
3) he pretends the "albanian" costume originated in Albania when the entire balkan peninsula was using it (greatly implying it originates with the Byzantines or earlier).
4) he uses ancient statues that obviously come from the ancient GREEK colonies (Epidamnus, Bothrotum, Apollonia, Lissos, etc).
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded waw exacly the entire balkans was using it because thats how big the illyrian empire was if not bigger. the statues are not from greek colonies there are many of those close to butrint, there are in fier nd many other places. lastly i dont think albanians are more like greeks, i think greeks are more like albanians =)
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, the costumes used in the balkans are a medieval costume, not an ancient one. Greek-style clothing was worn throughout the mediterranean world, but that style changed when the Byzantine-Orthodox prudery resulted in wearing less revealing clothing.
The Illyrians lived in the mountains, the Greeks lived on the coasts.
There was no Illyrian "empire" because Illyrians (many SEPARATE tribes) were never united under emperors until the Roman ones.
Butrint WAS Bothrotum (Greek colony)
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded thay may be how the name would be stated in greek but that doesnt make it a greek colony. u quite wrong there mate the illyrians setteld in the low lands where they could farm. illyrians only a few setteld in northern greece while others settled in modern day albania and kosovo. there was an illyrian empire u just lack the knowledge of it, the illyrians made an empire there was two kings and they invaded greece and neighboring countries
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, no it is quite well-known that Bothrotum was a Greek colony. The Greeks colonized many parts of the mediterranean, even Marseilles (Massilia), Naples (Neapolis) and Odessa started as Greek colonies (see Wikipedia "colonies in antiquity").
Ancient Illyrians did not live in southern Albania, they lived in central & northern Albania and farther north along the Adriatic and in the interior. Southern Albania was part of Epirus, as the 2nd map of that article shows.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded haha do u really receive ur information on wikipedia? were 5 year olds can post as well? very pathetic. i never stated illyrians settled in southern albania i simply said in albania and kosovo. Southern albania and many places in northern greece were both parts of albania.
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, those maps are the same ones you find in all the regular encyclopedias. The only time the Albanians got into northern Greece and Epirus was when they were Ottoman lapdogs and benefitted from becoming moslems. Their traditional territory excludes northern Greece and Epirus and the ethnic charts show Greeks in southern Albania.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded haha its funny how u speak of the ottoman era when Greeks were one of the first to loose nd be invaded, u became their prostitutes while albania nd its ppl ressited for over 45 years. nd i would like links to ur statements they seem completely false
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, that's stupid! When the Ottomans invaded Balkans, there was no one except the Byzantine (Greek) Empire! No one! petty tribes in the mountains are not real nations, they're just someone you pick off when they provoke you enough, or if someone discovers gold in the mountains.
Albanians are the real prostitutes, you sold your "souls" to islam!!! islam is the world's stupidest cult. It's NOT surprising that your country fell for a national pyramid scheme, when you fell for islam!!!
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded When the ottomans inavded the greeks a second invasion took place and serbia was conquered. the only countires that ressited were albania and hungaria, however hungaria after almost 1 year was conquered as well. while albania ressited for over 45 years, to an army that was considerd the best of its time with over 300,000 or more troops
albanians continued to ressst but in the last battle it was 2000 vs 89,000 albanains didnt become sluts to islam they were forced
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, you try to make it sound like Albania was a prize! Some people don't think it's worth invading a country whose net worth back then was the equivalent of a coupon for free small order of fries at McDonalds. Meanwhile the Byzantine Empire was a wealthy target that attracted 10 nations to try to conquer it.
Albania is "free" now, why are your people still sluts to islam? Freedom cannot exist in a moslem nation, the government exists to beat you on the streets in a moslem nation.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded ahaha 10nations? ur retarded because it didnt make a difference albania was under byzantine rule u just lack that knowledge so its not like albania was aimed last because it was poorer, ALBANIA WAS PART OF THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE IDIOT. albanians are not a slut to islam the majority of albania is atheist or agnostic u FUCKING IDIOT U DONT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING U DONT EVEN RESEARCH THEN U TRY TO STATE SOMETHING. the albanain regime is democratic and has nothing to do with islam shit head
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, really? you doubt the number of nations that came against the Byzantines?
1) Slavs 2) Bulgars 3) Alans 4) Huns 5) Arabs (moslems) 6) Ottomans 7) Visigoths 8) Ostrogoths 9) Persians 10) Other "barbarian" hordes i'm not going to bother to look up.
plus all the nations in the 4th Crusade that backstabbed Constantinople.
The CIA Factbook records 70% of Albanians as moslems, I'll take their word over yours ALWAYS. The recent riots are about corruption, crime & lack of democracy.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded haha u think u know better then me about the protest when i myself witnessed it? waw. the slavs werent against the byzantine empire and nither were the rest that u previsouly listed. the ottoman empire itself invaded the byzantine empire and conquered it, the bulgars were christain themselv y would they wanna become muslim if thats what they were trying to avoid, its just logic that u simply dont have. and actually those werent my listings nd the 70% thing was 2005 idiot
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, none of your "points" are valid, they are empty statements where you decide, "oh, i'll talk about slavs AFTER they've taken their bite out of the Empire, and i'll talk about the Bulgars AFTER they've become orthodox (and taken their bite out of the Empire)."
2005 is not long ago, have your people burned the mosques down already? i don't think anyone has given up their superstitions in your country.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded bite? that may be the case but after the ottomans were invading it isnt as if though they were betrying the byzantine and fighting for the turks. its not neccesary to burn down historical things the one ine skanderbeg square is over 400 years old y ruin that? and i never stated none were muslim i said 17% of the population were still followers of islam. in albania it isnt as it is in Greece were muslims and christians do not live in peace together,
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, if you think your moslems in Albania can live in peace with Christians, you don't know the koran. the koran dictates moslems to take political control and subject the "dimis" into inferior status. When islam becomes the state religion of Albania, christians will have inferior status in courts and on the streets, and atheists will be treated even worse. The FYROMians are quite concerned about the large numbers of Albanian minarets and mosques dominating the west of their country.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded And you have read extensively? The Koran holds Christ and Jews in good stead.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian, have you read AT ALL?!?! The koran disputes Christ's claims (from the bible) and sets the example of committing genocides and atrocities against Jews. Perhaps you have never read it and are gullibly accepting the propaganda of the deceitful extremist imams. If you had read both the bible and koran, you would know that mohammed very badly fails Moses' test for prophets and mohammed denies Christ (making him anti-christ).
your other comments are not worth replying to.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded You are mistaken about the Koran, Greek boy. Christ was considered a prophet. The Koran respects people of the Book (Jews.) Individuals have made false intereptations. Catholic inquisitions, Crusaders, Spanish Inquisition. I have read both.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian, i'm not Greek, i'm Canadian, dumbass. And when someone who claims to be divine (as Christ did) is told by the koran that he's delusional, well there is obviously a conflict of opinions. the bible states undeniably that Christ was a divine being who, with another divine being called "God", created everything in the universe (John 1). The koran has no authority (neither does the bible) and ignorant shithead mohammed was just repeating bullshit when he disputed Christ's claim.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Was he now! Coming from a galvanised yank, that seems remarkable. Your Canadian English doesn't make sense. It's obvious you have read neither book.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian, "galvanized yank"? you're truly bizarrely bent, but what can be said about an albanian living in ALGERIA! i've probably read more books than you've ever looked at. as for name-brands, no, i'm not a sheep who does what marketing assholes try to make me do, that's for the tiny-minded. And there's no such thing as a non-branded appliance, childling. Hitler's doctrine was retarded racism, all he cared about was blue eyes & blond hair, which he valued above brown-eyed geniuses.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Then you should of read Mein Kamf. Chinese appliances flooding the western market. They're considered non-branded items. Then you must be a negative-orientated individual, since you could not percieve wisdom in the Koran or the Bible.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian, lol!
I know the bible and koran better than you (obviously). They are both hate literature and worthy of burning. Anyone who believes in a god, is a delusional fool and delusional fools can be very happy, so can drug addicts (which is very similar to believing in gods) & alcoholics.
A person who knows what is REALLY true, cannot be happy with such a f*cked up world. Just as the Arabs are unhappy with their governments, EVERY sane person is disappointed with the world system.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded With such a pessimistic outlook in life, there is one last thing you should do...
Unlike you, I aspire to the challenge. The world is a perfect entity. You are inferior, and so face extinction.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian, you are truly lost in your tiny-minded delusions.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Is that your best answer?
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian, far better than anything you said. and your comments are truly laughable, until one considers that he shouldn't laugh at mentally retarded people. There is nothing perfect about the world, neither the physical planet (which is racked by earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, hurricanes/typhoons/cyclones, dust storms, droughts, locust, diseases, asteroids/comets, etc), nor the human world (which is racked by despots, religious fanatics, imperialists, and the corporations).
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Doomsday is coming to you. So you should remain in your snowbound cell for the duration. Spinoza:Liberate yourself from the tyranny of fear.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian, big words from a petty, little "mind".
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Man I must congratulate you! You are the first person ever to match my worldview.
Leves79 10 months ago
@alb0zfinest, if you think your moslems in Albania can live in peace with Christians, you don't know the koran. the koran dictates moslems to take political control and subject the "dimis" into inferior status. When islam becomes the state religion of Albania, christians will have inferior status in courts and on the streets, and atheists will be treated even worse. The FYROMians are quite concerned about the large numbers of Albanian minarets & mosques dominating the west of their country.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded those in macedonia are people from kosovo who attempted to escape the kosovo war in 1999, now because uve never been to albania u cant comment about it, albania has 3times as many churchs as mosques. U dont comprehend one thing albanians are not true muslims, they do not pray 5 times a day, none go to mecca, they just simply consider themselvs muslims and beliv in allah, i dont wanna even start on the kuran because 90% of them dont read it.
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, i hope you're right about Albanian moslems, because otherwise they will commit a genocide against the non-moslems the next time the world is in flames. that's just what moslems do. if you saw a listing of turkish genocides, you would clearly see that turks have committed genocide after genocide. in fact, hitler got his balls to commit his genocides from the fact that "no one remembers the armenians" (or the Assyrians, Greeks, Kurds).
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded besides even if lets say the albanians were true mulsims and there were many they would never do that because it isnt in their nature, they've seen howmuch they sufferd from war after war, continious ressisting so they wouldnt do that to others. albanians are pretty peaceful people the problem is that many countries like urs dispise albania, why i dont know.
alb0zfinest 1 year ago
@alb0zfinest, Canada doesn't despise Albania. and NATO helped Kosovo get its independence, even though it was illegally performed.
It is odd to hear an Albanian speaking of being peaceful, when some of the most rabid warlike commentors on youtube are Albanian. If you are peaceful, i applaud you, but many of your people don't seem very much like you at all.
muslUnbounded 1 year ago
@muslUnbounded not really most of the balkans hate albania, in asia albania has no allies, it use to be very good allies with Russia and china but that was in the past. Canada ok but canada is not even a major power like that, . the only one north america is the u.s and argentina in south america. Its like that because albania was isolated for over 40 years.
its obvious y they would act like that have u seen all the propaganda that is put of albanians
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, antipathy towards Albania is due to Enver Hoxha's false histories enflaming Albanians to claim territories belonging to other nations (such as Kosovo, Eastern Montenegro, Western Macedonia) or populated by other nations (Epirus). The same logic that causes Kosovars to secede from Serbia, would cost Albania its southern 20-25% to Greece.
Albania was isolated because Hoxha was brainwashing the nation. Hopefully, Albanians will benefit from the info available on the internet.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Enver Hoxha ws a great patriot and statesman. He took an impoverished nation and made into fortress Albania. The West never wanted Albania; its only ally was Russia and Yugoslavia.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Albania was partitioned in the first Balkan War; hence, so many Albanians live outside its borders.
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, btw, Brazil is far more powerful than argentina. Brazilians are 201,000,000, while Argentinians are 43,000,000.
Canada is an important power, it is a G7 nation. We are the world's 2nd largest nation (after Russia), and we are developed and wealthy. Our population is only 34,000,000 but we are more important than those numbers imply.
If it wasn't for Hoxha's brainwashing, Albanians would realize that there is no threat against them.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded exacly im not saying that its the best thing that argentina is albanias allie i simply said its albanias only allie in south america. g7 is good economically speaking, but when it comes to military Canada isint so big. U cant say that he brainwashed them, he was right to tell the people because land was taken away from albania. and what of the kosovo 1999 ethnic cleansing? they said there is no threat no this no that, and resulted in 1.5m displaced and over 10,000 demises
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, true our military has a lot of territory to protect.
Hoxha did brainwash people, because you have this idea that territories that were never under Albanian control should be ceded to Albania, whether there are Albanians there or not. Take the myth of "Chameria", Albanians only lived in the southern coastal area of that territory but were still outnumbered by the Greeks there. Northern "Chameria" was populated by Greeks and Aromanians (forming majorities in different parts).
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Hoxha disclaimed all territories outside its borders. Epirus was never Greece's to begin with.
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, regarding ethnic cleansing, it is a terrible thing. historically, the United Nations used to treat EVERY national boundary as inviolable (to prevent "thousands" of potential wars), but at some point very recently, this doctrine changed. Whereas nations were called upon to treat their ethnic minorities well, now nations can lose territory where ethnic minorities predominate, which has very negative implications for allowing immigration and guest workers. This is dangerous.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest,
btw, if you look at the "DNA studies", Kosovans and Albanians appear to be 2 different people. In fact, Kosovo would be shaving pieces out of northern Albania, while the southern and eastern half of Albania look to have more in common with the Greeks than the Kosovans.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded ur a bit wrong there, land was taken away from albania, as soon as albania recieved independence. just research. about the dna thing, thats prob because the people in kosovo were involved with serbs when yougoslavia was formed. And btw those that u speak of are prob greek and not albanian, because there are over 58,000 greeks who r citizens and consider themselvs albanian
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest,
the igenea "project" is just a deceitful project aimed at robbing people of money using pseudo-science.
watch this video:
watch?v=faikHm5cF88&feature=related
btw, are you aware that the ethnic Greeks of southern "Albania" in 1914 proclaimed the Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus? It was recognized by Albania until Albania collapse in WW1. It came under control by Greece until the Italians drove the Greeks out.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded i wasnt aware of albania recognising northern epirus? perhaps the turks forced them too, after all they did dispise the albanains.
ps: vid did not work for me i copied then pasted but nothing came out
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, the turks were out of the picture in 1914. my understanding is that the albanians were allies because they were both moslems. in fact, the albanians had spread out of their ancestral lands because of the freedom they had as moslems in a moslem empire.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded haha freedom? im srry to say but ur completely wrong if albania had freedom as u state, albania wouldve been way developed, After the defenses could no longer hold and the ottomans conquerd albania, for the rest of the time, somany women were raped , some of the men were forced to work for the ottomans, and all were forced to turn muslim. it isint like countries such as greece, greece didnt ressit for a long time albania did, so the ottomans had to make them pay somehow
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, when i talk about albanians' freedom, i'm talking about during the ottoman times when the albanian moslems were able to go about freely. moslems typically will set their eyes on a territory, cull the local population and then infest it. how do you think all those turks filled up the balkans as shown on ethnographic maps of the ottoman period and its aftermath?
The Greeks were the biggest resisters of the ottomans, keeping them out of the balkans for centuries.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded ahaha biggest ressisters? the greeks fell after the 2nd or 3rd invasion which was 1month, albanains ressisted 25 years with gjergj kastrioti then 12 more years after his demise.
albanian muslems? they were all muslem because they were forced to convert to islam. Albanians never cliamed land that was theirs, besides they wouldnt be permitted by the ottomans even if they wanted to
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, you seem to be quite ready to forget what i am referring to, which is that it took the ottomans centuries to capture constantinople. the balkans were not threatened until then. so those decades that the Greek Georgios Kastriotis ("Skanderbeg" is an attempt to "Albanianize" him) held out, don't compare to the centuries.
When they converted to islam, they reaped many benefits in an islamic empire. Their children weren't stolen to serve the sultan & their word meant more in court.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded during that time albania was under byzantine so it isint as if though albania was saved for last, albania and hungary were the only ones that ressisted for a while and bought time for renaissance to grow. albanians word meant nothing in court, they were given no rights and were treated worse then others haha changing his name from Gjergj to georgios does not make him greek u r the ones who r attempting to steal him. all know hes albanain only serbs and greeks deny it. sad very sad
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, are you not aware that the fall of Constantinople led to the migration of Greek artists, books & thought from Constantinople to the West & BEGAN the Renaissance?
All moslems can persecute a christian in court, because the word of christians has less weight than the word of moslems in moslem courts. When Albanians became moslem, they reaped the benefits of oppressing their neighbors legally.
Perhaps Kastriotis was "albanian" but why was his name "kastriotis" if he wasn't Greek?
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded the renaissance began in italy, look it up anywere nd it will tell u that.
do u not comprehend? no ALBANIANS WERENT PERMITTED TO DO ANYTHING Y WOULD THE TURKS RAPE AND KILL ALBANIANS THEN LET THEM GO TO COURT THATS JUST RIDICILOUS. there was no law in albania during that time, people werent gettig educated, they were slaves and servants to the ottomans.
His name was not Kastriotis his name was Kastrioti he was born in sine, besides y would he fight for albanians if he was grek
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, the renaissance began in Italy but it was the influx of Byzantine citizens fleeing the turks that started it. The renaissance is the rebirth of the values of the ancient Greeks in art, literature and learning. that is why paintings of classical Greek mythological events and figures are so highly-represented in the works of the renaissance. This is a fact, check it.
the turks raped the christian albanians, not the moslem ones. the albanian moslems also raped christians.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded lol wtff? albanain muslims did not exist because they were under byzantine afte rthe ottomans invaded all had to convert to muslims, so there were no some muslims and some christians. Kastrioti is albanian if u add the s sounds greek but because there is no s it does not sound greek. HE WAS ALBANIAN it doesnt make sense for him to be greek and fight for albania. its very sad from u greeks, first trying to claim alexander from macedonians then Gjergj from albania
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, first of all, i'm not greek. 2ndly, alexander was greek even the bible says so, so if you're christian, you can refer to the book of daniel where alexander is called a greek. if you're not christian, then refer to the scads of historical documents that show that not only are macedonians just another tribe of greeks, but alexander claims descent through a spartan line. fyromians are trying to pretend that alexander was a slav (!!!) 1000 years before slavs arrived in the balkans!
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Alexander hated Greeks. Spartans hated Greeks. Macedonians have a right to claim heritage. Greeks don't.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian, your idiotic statement that Alexander hated Greeks and Spartans hated Greeks is beyond the limits of ridiculous. Alexander was a Greek and so were the Spartans. Only a complete moron is ignorant of these facts. If Alexander hated Greeks, why the hell did he spread Greek culture throughout his known world?!?! Why was he educated as a Greek?
Your statement is as absurd as "Hitler hated Jewish people and therefore he spread Jewish culture throughout the world!"
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Alexander was never a Greek, and neither are you. The Spartans fought many wars against Greeks. There were alliances, but the Spartans stood their ground against the Persians, while the Greeks deserted. Alexander put 20 K Greeks into slavery after he found out that they had become mercanaries for the Persians. Hitler was a statesman. He didn't hate Jews. Hellinic culture was a business venture nothing more.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian, you're displaying quite blatantly conclusive signs of mental illness--in one paragraph you call me a Greek & the next you say i'm not a Greek--and you call hitler a statesman!!! You have been brainwashed by your silly little communist dictator Hoxha into believing a false history that ONLY your little cult nation believes (and yet you're a fascist!). All international historians know the facts that Spartans were Greeks, & Alexander only punished non-allies, being Greek himself.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded And you don't eat name-brand food, or wear name-brand clothes, or buy name-brand appliances. Look who's brainwashed.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded The communist and capitalist were similar since both doctrines exploited the poor. NWO. Hitler's doctrine is global.
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, lastly, georgios kastriotis (whom the albanians like to call by what is clearly a greek name) doesn't have a name that sounds the least bit albanian. if his name isn't greek, the closest sound to it is ITALIAN. i'm sure the albanians he led called him Gjergj Kastrioti, because they weren't speaking greek. But everything about that name is Greek from the fact that "Georgios" is pure greek & has been imported into MANY nations from them, & that Kastiotis means person from Kastri-.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded it does sound albanian its just that u dont speak the language, as i said previously it does not make sense for him to be greek and fight for the albanians. and im nither christian or muslim im an atheist
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, congratulations, we agree on religion. i too am an atheist.
but how albanian does kastrioti sound? what does it mean in albanian?
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded kastrioti is very common, the kastrioti family were a noble albanian family in the early 1400 hundreds that ruled middle albania. they hailed from the Diber region. The first member of the kastrioti family was Pal Kastrioti who fought with his albanian knights on the side of the serbs in the battle of kosovo against the ottomans. in 1444 gjergj kastrioti united all the albanian princes and said to the albanians: " I have not brought you liberty, I found it here among you"
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, interesting history lesson, but you've undermined one of your earlier points. You said Pal fought with serbs against turks, so why wouldn't Georgios lead albanians against the turks too?
Actually I just found some quotes from Kastriotis & Benjamin Disraeli ("The Rise of Iskander"). This ebook is available online for free. Kastriotis calls himself a Greek.
"The despots of Bosnia, Servia, & Bulgaria, & the Grecian princes of Etolia, Macedon, Epirus, Athens, Phocis, Boeotia"
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded lead albanians against the turks? when they were the least developed and had the least amount of people, that would just be stupid of him.
author of the book?
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, as i wrote, the author is the British Earl, Benjamin Disraeli and the book is "The Rise of Iskander".
google that and the first link will get you to an organization called gutenberg.
you will see that i have faithfully copied and pasted the quotes without the slightest alteration.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded 1 book out of a thousand that states that, congratulations u made up my mind
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, so Georgios Kastriotis can be quoted and still you think he is not a Greek. I think the Greeks win the argument.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded quoted? and the author bases that? clearly u are a greek do not try to fool me by stateing ur not, if u actually werent u wouldnt care. Even if a million books say that, the true history is taht he gatherd albanian princes and fought along side with them agains the ottomans. he had nothing to do with greeks. if he was actually greek sources would say so. those who said he was greek were ither stupid, greek themselvs, or they knew nothing about albania. due to isolation of albania
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, people from all nations tell me that i am this, that, and the other thing, because I "interfere" by expressing the opinions of the unbiased position. Disraeli also was unbiased and wrote the biography of "iskander", quoting Kastriotis identifying himself as a Greek.
Disraeli was not an ignorant person, he researched and wrote what he believed was true in order to report the truth to his people and the parliament of his time.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded believed was true? is very distinguishable from the actual truth. Gjergj Kastrioti was albanian, changing his name from Gjergj to georgious of how it would b in greek does not make him greek.
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, you're trying very hard to change historical facts. "Gjergj" is just an Albanian form of a Greek name. If Georgios was Albanian, why doesn't he have an Albanian name? Clearly, as Disraeli proves in his book about "Iskander", Georgios Kastriotis was a Greek, as he often says, a Greek prince. I'm not going to be persuaded by your unfounded claims.
I now am convinced that "Iskander" was Greek, and you have offered no credible evidence to the contrary.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded gjergj is an albanian name, obviously if u change it to Georgios it sounds Greek, unfourtunately for u its Gjergj. end of discussion. if he actually was Greek, it would say so in international websites,, but it doesnt because hes albanian. what of ur answer that he gatherd the albanian princes and fought with them against the ottomans?
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, your argument about the name is LESS valid than my statement of what his name is. And we have the testimony of Benjamin Disraeli that he was a Greek prince. Gathering Albanian princes doesn't make him Albanian. You still have not made one salient point.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded rite so think logically y would he gather albanian princes and fight with them? y wasnt that the least he didnt use those albanian soldiers to help the greek gain independence. 1) his name is Gjergj, 2) even if his name was Gergios WHICH IT WASNT obviously, they were influenced by the greeks, after all the greeks and albanians were all under one empire
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, he gathered Albanians the same way the US gathered other foreigners to conduct the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, and the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Anciently, Alexander gathered troops from all corners of his empire, as have other empires in the past. What is so unusual about a man using non-kinspeople in an army?!?!
I'm still waiting for ONE valid point.
I think the absence of such from your argument is absolutely telling and definitive.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded ok but the invasion of Iraq every1 was required to help out. Skanderbeg was albanian he went back and gatherd the albanians. Gjergj was his name, but lets say his name was Georgios that still doesnt make him greek, obviously there was greek influence in albania. if u actually took time to google gjergj kastrioti u would know that in 95% of the websites say hes albanian, even international websites. r u claiming u know better than all those ppl? and actual experts?
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, the reason that "95%" of websites call him "Gjergj" is because the albanians are obsessed with him and they are referring to him often. Greece has a far richer history and far more to talk about than just one man. The LIBRARIES which contain books that EDUCATE rather than opine or bs, contain books that refer to him as a Greek, such as Benjamin Disraeli's book, which clinches the argument.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded clinches the argument? who says that his information was from a reliable source? just because he states that doesnt make Gjergj kastrioti Greek. albanians being obbsessd with gjergj kastrioti is not a valid reason for every1 to believe hes albanian, in many ancient artifacts and what has been found he is albanian. mate Mother teresa was albanian, Alexander the great was partly albanian, muhamed ali pasha who ruled the whole egypt, Pope clement XI william g gregory,josephdioguardi
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, LOL! teresa was a propaganda job. do you know what she did? she had hostels for people to come to die at. she didn't help people who could have been referred to a hospital, she only gave them a place to resign themselves to death. "don't fight to live, just die" was her message. Then the roman catholic propaganda machine tried to pump her up into someone who gave a sh*t. she wasn't.
As for Alexander, Albanians didn't even exist back in his day. moh a.p. committed genocide.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Mother Teresa helped lepers and the sick. The poor from Calcutta, the ones no one seemed to care.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Albanoi were an Illyrian tribe.
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, NOTHING GOOD can EVER be said about popes! They're deceitful liars who exist to pat the Emperor's back, while the Emperor pats the pope's back. It's a fascist church/state alliance intended to control the "commoners" & not for the people's good either, just to monopolize power.
Let me show you what Christ said about these disobedient "christians":
Matthew 23:9 "Do not call ANYONE on earth ‘father,’ [pope] for you have one Father, and he is in heaven."
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded lol yea propaganda job thats y she was awarded the noble peace prize by the U.S president himself and India's highest civilian honour the barat ratna. she gave money and gave homes to thousands of poor children. she provided hospitals for those with hiv and aids. and many more things. actually albanians did exist, i dont know if u have knowledge of the illyrians but albanians are their descendants. muhamed ali is consider as the founder of modern egypt
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, wow, you really don't understand how corrupt american politics are! The US president was simply sucking up to the 50 million catholics that can help destroy his party in an election.
as for giving money, she had none. she distributed donations to CATHOLIC organizations that built the homes and "hospitals". Watch "Hitch vs. Donohue". Christopher Hitchens is the man!
btw, catholicism SIGNIFICANTLY contributed to the SPREAD of AIDS because of their hostility to condoms.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded But where did AIDS originate from?
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, here's an even better link:
watch?v=p3tUuA7WBRE
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded the illyrians are albanians
just type this in google click the first link it tells u facts and actuall words
The Enigma of Pelasgians and Etruscans
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, albanians are not ancient. they may have genetic input from illyrians (like others) but they also have genetic input from other europeans like slavs, greeks, alans, romans, italians, turks, celts, huns, etc. To call oneself "illyrian" is to say that they have travelled here from the ancient past in a time machine. "illyrians" are extinct.
Language also proves nothing, as all those English- and French-speaking Africans in Africa, America, and Caribbean proves.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded The Basque language is unique.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded And you have faith in the bible?
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded You're talking about ancient Greeks. Bey is similar to Earl, Lord. Someone with large land holdings.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded The Vatican may be of help, since it has been said that he asked for their assistance.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Greeks had Princes?
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Maybe the Greek Princes weren't interested in a revolution.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Why is there no castles in Greece?
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded The book is quoted as fiction.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Why was his castle in Albania?
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded If you watch the film Skanderbey, you will see a symbolic mark on his breastplate.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Politicians are well known for their lack of morality and ethics.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded please man research in real websites not were they have greek propaganda
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded The book is regarded as fiction.
australbanian 11 months ago
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@muslUnbounded Benjamin Disraeli was a British Prime Minister. And he was Jewish.
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, Disraeli quotes him saying,
""I am a Grecian Prince, and a compulsory ally of the Moslemin."
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Could be Christian influences affecting the naming of children.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Ali Pasha of Yannina raped Greek women.
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, as for kastrioti(s), still sounds like a Greek name, just like Epiroti(s). The people of the Balkans ALL fought against turkish power over them. I don't care to learn his history, but Sine sounds Greek too, we get the famous mathematical "sine" from Greek. Don't be so tribal, Greeks called everyone who was Orthodox a Greek. If his last name was Greek too, then his ancestry was ethnically Greek.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded And what did Greeks call other Greeks who became Muslims?
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Maybe you Greeks put a suffix on his surname to make him sound Greek.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Greeks seem to place suffixes on their surnames.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded The Greeks could never aspire to the superlatives of the Albanians during the Ottoman Empire.
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest, the Greeks were defeated by the ottomans because the Byantine Empire was fighting a 3-way civil war at the wrong time.
muslUnbounded 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded The Ottomans filled the void after the collapse of the Byzantine Empire.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Weren't Greeks also in the Ottoman Empire?
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded The Italians were never in Greece in WWI.
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest They're could be a symbolic alliances that connects these countries.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian wat does this hav to do with me, besides my argument is with musunbounded not with u
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest A correction was overdue.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian dude damn is utube ur life or something, u constantly post in this site?
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest This a public forum. Try using the private post.
australbanian 11 months ago
@australbanian well the argument went fine untill u appeard. no1 is saying dont post a comment, but just not 3 pages of comments in 1-2 days all by u
alb0zfinest 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded Canada and Australia are commodity exporting nations.
australbanian 11 months ago
@alb0zfinest Albania had several alliances in the past. Now the West has come knocking.
australbanian 11 months ago
@muslUnbounded No they're not, they're more like me.
australbanian 11 months ago