I am neither spanish neither Italian. I am proudly Argentinean born from proudly Argentinean born parents. As Argentinean i dont have to give anything back since we didn't conquer america. We rebelled against the conquerors and we created a free countrie to welcome everybody(including brits) and thats since our 1810 constitution. If i were spanish or italian i would intend to live in italy or spain. If the islanders are so proudly brits they should do the same and go to uk.
@simeagarran You are not a native American - you are descended from European colonists. You are ethnically European. Go home! Get out of America! Give the natives their land back!
@betasick To us what seems weird is being part of a south american countrie and have to border with a north eropean countrie because they have fancy words such as "overseas territory" for what is the old imperial practice of the Birtish empire of going around the world taking land. Those ¨little ice-cold bunch of land down there" as you quoted Mr, Reagan are part of our territory, our homeland, forgeting it would be as easy as for UK to change the union jack colours to brown, green and yellow.
@rupertbrooks0 In 1982 was an express order to avoid any civilian casualties even to the cost of the own argentinian military personnel. As far as i known there was no civilian casualties during the invasion. But there was unfortunately some civilian casualties at the end when british shoot them by mistake. What we know is that 1833 yes there was argentine people living in the island who were expeled by the british.
@rupertbrooks Here you are wayyyyyy out. You think we treat the islanders like palestinians????? please!!!!!! of course there is nothing argentinian there because was WHIPED OUT. Thats what you do when uk takes land either if there is to many people you make them slaves, like india if not, kick them out. I wonder why the islands had a spanish name if they never had anything to do with argentina. You know even obama called them malvinas?
UN Decolonisation Committee Resolution - June 2004: "Recalling General Assembly resolutions 1514, 2065, 3160, 31/49, 37/9, 38/12, 39/6, 40/21, 41/40, 42/19 and 43/25, Aware that the maintenance of colonial situations is incompatible with the UN ideal of universal peace, Reiterates that the way to put an end to the special and particular colonial situation is the peaceful and negotiated settlement of the dispute over sovereignty."
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Of course these people are colonists. The country is run by a woman with a Spanish and German name, Menem came from Syria, Galitieri from Italy and did not even speak Spanish at home. 98.4% of the population of Argentina is not native American. They come from somewhere else. I am not seriously suggesting they go back to where their parents or grandparents came from but they have no right seizing land from other people - which includes also Chile, Bolivia and Paraguay!
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Lets take this argument further. Britain was part of the Roman Empire. Therefore maybe we ought to invade Sicily because that was also part of the Roman Empire.
I say Sicily because I rather fancy living there myself. However some Greek islands - also part of the Roman Empire - would do nicely as well.
If we can't invade Italy or Greece, there are some nice places in Turkey - great food too - maybe we could invade that as well as part of the ex Roman Empire.
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Lets take this argument further. Britain was part of the Roman Empire. Therefore maybe we ought to invade Sicily because that was also part of the Roman Empire.
I say Sicily because I rather fancy living there myself. However some Greek islands - also part of the Roman Empire - would do nicely as well.
If we can't invade Italy or Greece, there are some nice places in Turkey - great food too - maybe we could invade that as well as part of the ex Roman Empire.
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Lets take this argument further. Britain was part of the Roman Empire. Therefore maybe we ought to invade Sicily because that was also part of the Roman Empire.
I say Sicily because I rather fancy living there myself. However some Greek islands - also part of the Roman Empire - would do nicely as well.
If we can't invade Italy or Greece, there are some nice places in Turkey - great food too - maybe we could invade that as well as part of the ex Roman Empire.
even if at some point the falklands belonged 2 the Argies, nowadays thanks to the british they have a growin economy, great education n medical services, why would u wanna go back 2 misery? argies and their big egos...
In 1910, a 17,000-word memo was commissioned by the British Foreign Office to look at the historical dispute over sovereignty. The study highlighted many weaknesses in the British case. The head of the Foreign Office's American department, Gerald Spicer, wrote: "From a perusal of this memo it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the Argentine government's attitude is not altogether unjustified and that our action has been somewhat high-handed."
The UN Decolonization Committee adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in Malvinas is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadnt been implemented by the UK
@MarkChapeau all spanish territores became argentine including the islands. and the argentine goverment rightfuly had sovereignity there until 1833 when the british illegaly invaded. since then the argentine goverment made formal complains.
@111jasy111 we had them before spain, left them, then took them back. They are ours bud. And in reality britain established the settlement, it was empty when spain had it. the people of the island are british. Your idiot president acting like poor old argentina had its lands taken, silly cow. you will have to take us to war if you want them :-).
@MarkChapeau thats right you left them. so el que se fue a sevilla perdio su silla. that settlement you mention, it was illegal and rightfuly destroyed by spanish forces. there's no need for war. argentina will win this case within this frame of the united nations.
@TheStandofTheLastGuy declaramos la independencia de españa, pero estan unidas por la plataforma submarina del continente, es como que los ingleses quieran tomar buenos aires por que nos independizamos de españa, no tiene sentido lo que decis
Any claim the Argies thought they had was forfeited when they illegally invaded the islands, they should move on. If Thatcher ans Raegan taught the world anything, its that you have to look forward, nbot backward, if you have any chance fo progress.
Hey, maybe the Argentines need the Falklands to hide more of the bodies that are still sitting waiting to be "dissapeared". To be fair most Latin Americans don't like Argentina anyway and were happy that the sound beating they got managed to get rid of a murdering dictator.
@TrentVenture Hi I'm from El salvador British the falklands islands are argentinian territory give back to them ,falklands malvinas are argentian territory.
@TrentVenture@TrentVenture All countries has its mistakes, rights and wrongs. When argentina invaded (which i think was a mistake by an ilegal goverment) argentina didnt touch one single islander. What we can say about england when it invaded let me see, every single continent in the wolrd? We dond t bitch. We fought good and we did the most damage to the royal navy since WW2 till today. Argentine learned the lesson and leaft this issue to the diplomacy. Every bull has its butcher, wont be us
@fergalmcardle Thats just stupid. Britain didn't behave any differently from any other European country in the C19th. Without European imperialism Argentina wouldn't even exist. Argentina herself grabbed land from Paraguay and Chile. Are you going to give Formosa (for example) back? And what about the "war of the desert" when Argentina grabbed Patagonia from the Indians with acts of genocide, the 'Napalpí massacre' for example. the Falklands are no more Argentinian than Scotland is.
@rupertbrooks0 Your historical data I have to said is mostly true but incomplete. You should read a litle bit more perhaps about the british role in the paraguay war which was not a war for land but to stop the well developed paraguayian industrie. But we can be with this historical nonsense for hours. If not because the level of the ocean malvinas would be in the patagonia like escotland would be stick to england. You are far away and that is colonialism and the wolrd consensus is to stop it.
@simeagarran Geography has nothing to do with colonialism. The Faroe islands are North of Scotland but are administered by Denmark; but the people of Scotland don't claim that because the're in "Scottish" waters they must therefore be Scottish. Equally the British Channel Island of Jersey is 100 miles from England but only 20 miles from France but France doesn't that therefore this makes them French. Alaska is 500 miles from the USA, it doesn't make them Canadian.
@rupertbrooks0 I would like you to read your own examples. All of them are in the same continent and hemisphere......so yeah streching the uk border far away from the north europe all the way down to the south hemisphere and the south american continent, yup thats exactly colonialism.
@simeagarran Actually the UK border does not stretch to the South Atlantic. The Falklands are not part of the UK, neither are the Channel Islands. The Falklands are a Self-Governing British Overseas Territory. They have their own elected Government, their own tax system (they receive no funds from the UK) print their own bank-notes and postage stamps and determine their own policies on fishing, agriculture, education etc. The UK is responsible for their defense anmd foreign affairs only.
@rupertbrooks0 Once again i would like you to read what you are writing. Its full of contradiction. First you said malvinas are not part of the uk and then you said they are a self governing BRITISH overseas territory. All this game of names and definitions may be look ok to british but for the rest of the world its just pure and plane cynicism. We all know that UK is responsable for the defense as well as responsable for taking a piece of the economic value and juicy natural resources.
@simeagarran No you are wrong. This is not a form of words. Being British is NOT the same as being part of the UK. They do not send MP's to Westminster, they Govern themselves through their elected assembly. Their constitutional arrangement is the same as other British Overseas Territories such as Bermuda, The Caymen Islands etc. The Channel Islands have a different constitutional arrangement; namely British Overseas dependancies. I suggest to look at the Falklands Isalnd Government Website.
@rupertbrooks0 Interesting they organize in whatever ways they want. That does not change the fact that the island were invaded and argentinians were kicked out since then. And argentina never recognized that action since 1833 has claiming peacefully the islands. Uk has being playing since then the go around and around game since then. Here is were you need to take responsabilitie for the past action of your countrie and if you had good will find a solution.
@simeagarran Since the Islands are Internationally recognised as Crown British territory the oil and fish actually belong to the Islanders. May I remind you that the islands are 400 miles from Argentina and therefore nowhere near your territorial waters. I am not mistaken about war propaganda. I remember the invasion and the deep shock it had on the country. Argentina has never apologised for the war or offered compensation to the Islanders. It is Argentina who is still the agressor.
@rupertbrooks0 Internationally Who?????? the only ones to recognize what you are saying are your european buddies, which by the way they are falling apart. INTNERNATIONALLY WHICH IS THE UNITED NATION RECOGNIZES THA ISLANDS AS AREA IN DISPUTE AND YEARLY PRODUCES A RESOLUTION ASKING UK TO R E S U M E NEGOTIATION WITH ARGENTINA (sorry about the capital letters but i thought you might have a problem reading that). Even your best buddies (the americans) remain neutral on the issue.
@rupertbrooks0 The goverment that did that war was not legal. And we argentinians lost 30.000 civilians because of the political persecucion of the dictatorship who kill way more inocent argentinian civilians than the casualties for both sides together in that war. Also argentina was punish with military and economic embargo after the war. That military goverment was a puppet of the americans who trained them at the "school of the americas". Research about the school of americas youll undestand.
@rupertbrooks0 you are still behaving like in the C19Th. The world is still waiting for the mass destruction weapons which Irak was full of. Good job guys you keep doing it!
@simeagarran Thanks. The world is a better place now Saddam is gone, or would you prefer he was still in power? It was also good to see Britain and France play a part in removing Gaddaffi. It was also good to see NATO (on Tony Blair's instigation) bomb Milosvic's Serbia in order to stop Serb attacks on Kosovo civilians.
@rupertbrooks0 Probably you are right, Saddam was a bad a guy and all that. But you see the logic behind the way its being done? First is this guy, then the other guy is just not like that. UN was created to avoid another World War and is not being respected and working properly. Uk went after Irak because of the mass destruction weapon which it turns to be a mass bullshit. If countries just decides by themself to go on war with a few buddies al human kind is doomed.
@simeagarran The British Prime Minister was correct when he recently said that no democracy could ever agree to the Argentine demands. If the Falklands were administered by the USA, or Canada, or France or the Dutch their position would be the same; namely that any change in the constitutional status of the Islands must have the approval of the citizens who actually live on the islands and who are the people most affected. This is simply self evident and needs no further exp[lanation.
@rupertbrooks0 Our true and common enemy is ignorance. First a lot of democracies are suporting argentina´s claim. I would said all south and central america 's countries. You can find this on CELACS, UNASUR and MERCOSUR resolution's on the matter. Also the UN is producing a yearly resolution asking UK to negotiate with argentina which of course its being just its ignore by UK because the UN is just usefull to punish countries outside the security council. Or china is a democracy?
@simeagarran The world is changing and the UK is not, and the uk is needing more the world than the world needs the uk. Thanks for metioning Canada. Canada has Quebec, they have their language, laws, inmigration policies, authorities, all kind of freedoms are respected to them, yet they are canadians. To finish argentina is a democracy, young but a democracie. We are not demanding and we are not in position to demand. We are just using "the international democracie" like UN to find a solution.
@simeagarran But what are we supposed to be negotiating about? Its like asking someone to negotiate the price of a second-hand car when they don't want to buy a car? The Islanders have made it clear they do not wish to become a part of Argentina. The British Govt. can hardly be expected to effectively expell them from the country of their birth. You just cannot redraw the map of the world according to how it was centuries ago and ignore the wishes of the people involved.
@rupertbrooks0 Well you ask a question so ill try to answer it. See the way you said it? ¨the islanders dont want to be part of argentina"? We dont clain the islanders we claim our heritage, our territorie and a apoligie from UK for invading Buenos Aires TWICE (1806-1807) and the invasion of the islands (1833). Negotiation is posible taking in consideration the freedom and way of life of the islanders. Example Quebec in Canada. There are british living in the mainland and they are respected too.
@simeagarran Islands didn't belong to anyone in 1833, having been abandoned by Spain in 1811 and been declared "a land without Government by the USA" Since Britain had an outstanding claim dating to 25th January 1765 the re-occupation of 1833 needs no apology. How can you claim to respect the wishes and interests of the islanders when you wish to force them to accept laws which are not theirs. In the UK and in the Falklands the police are unarmed, we don't have ID cards. This will all change.
@rupertbrooks0 Nobodie wants to steal, change their lifes or do anything bad to the islanders. UK and argentina being exelent trade partners for years. We have more common ground than diferences. We share the same occidental values and political sistems. If our politicians can not work out this out so then just forget about politics as a way of fixing problems peacefully. What you blame us you did worst 1833 yes there were argentians there and they were expeled by force and never aloud toreturn
@simeagarran And will the Islanders be allowed to maintain their own tax system or be forced to pay Argentine taxes. Will they be allowed to use their own currency (Falklands pound) or will they be forced to use Argentine money. Will they be allowed to use their own Falklands postage stamps or be forced to use Argentine stamps. Will they be allowed to police themselves or see armed Argentine police on their streets. Will they be permitted to maintain their own education system.....
@rupertbrooks0 For start i would said they wont be forced to anything. Defense could be share with argentina not because argentina is significant as fire power but its logistics will reduce the uk budget a lot. Thats just one litle expample of the benefits of an agreement. But none of this has any oportunity if talkings are not resume. After that innovative, open minded and creatives political solutions will be posible. Argentina and uk has more to win together than separated.
@simeagarran ..or will they be forced to accept an Argentine curriculum. Will their justice system be based on English common law or will they be forced to accept Argentine legal system. Will they be able to maintain their loyalty to the Queen or will they be forced to worship the Argentine flag and swear loyalty to the "Fatherland" (like Nazi Germany). Will they be permitted to maintain their mature, pragmatic political outlook or will they be governed by cults like "Peronism"
@rupertbrooks0 Your are too influenced by the past. Since Peron died not even peronist agrees on what peronist means. Todays peronist is more a political style than a clear ideologie. There is left and right win of peronism but none of them are close to fascism anymore as before. Actually we have a current peronist goverment which is working hard on human rights and minority rights issues. In our countrie we dont force anybody anymore.
@simeagarran The simple solution will be for Argentina to accept the rights of the islanders to be governed by the Government of their choice. Once Argentina drops their claim on the islands the dispute will disappear. Any negotiations must include a delegation from the Falklands Island Government (the FIG). Since the FIG has no doubts about their sovereignty there will be no talks. The British Government will not negotiate without the consent of the Islanders.
@rupertbrooks0 May look simple from outside. But If you think a minute about this you ll realize even if it might looks simple it is not. More than 150 years of claiming you think is going to stop just like that? Without UK not compromising anything and not taking any responsability for coming all the way to here and expell the argentinians? Yes the dispute can be over but argentina can not do it alone.
@rupertbrooks0I will not just let them maintain their mature pragmatic political outlook i will also would like to learn from it. Again i would not think to force them on anything that you mention. I rather would like to see a diplomatic agreement able to mix the best of our cultures which are not very diferent. True confrontation i can see with iran, north korea or maybe china. We can be a friendly backyard while the NATO deals with more serius problems like the ones i mentioned above.
@simeagarran Argentina did NOT have sovereignty in 1833. There was NO Argentine customs house, Parliament building, law courts, post office. There where no schools, churches, farms, hospitals. In March 1833 Charles Darwin in his book "The Voyage of the Beagle" described it as a "collection of squalid huts" There where no more than 40 people, most not even Argentine citizens, who were criminal and vagabonds who scratched a living robbing American Sailors. .............
@rupertbrooks0 I dont think that is about how many or how good or how developed people were there. They were there and they deserved respect they didn t go all the way up to take land from scotland lets say. I doubt anybody can steal anything from americans, they are very well known about how good the defend themselves. Eitherway we can not change the past but we can chose our future. Where there is a problem there is an oportunity is to us decide what we want.
@simeagarran May I also remind you that Argentina is politically unstable. It has had 6-7 military coups since 1930. as recently as the early 1980's Argentine governments murdered 1000's of their own people. Argentina supported the axis powers in WW2. The main political power; Peronism is derived from Fascist Mussolini of Italy. Your only been a democracy for a mere 28 years. This is very worrying for the islanders who distrust Argentina and even some people hate Argentina for the invasion.
@rupertbrooks0 Is very interesting everything you said and as soon as UK start talking with argentina under the UN resolution everything of this should be address and find multilateral ways and mechanism to warrantie the population that the end of the dispute with uk wont affect them whatsoever. The hate is going to wash of as soon as they return to hour hospitals and warm beaches like they used to do before the war. Argentina always gave them free hospital since always consider them argentinian
@simeagarranYou have this weird believe that the UN is some higher moral authority. It isn't. It's no better than the nations which make it up. The annual UN resolutions are issued by the UN De-colonisation committee; whose members include Syria, Russia, Iran and China. Exactly. The dispute is purely the fault of Argentina. It is Argentina who invaded the islands, is bullying and threatening the islanders, blocking their ships, violating WTO laws, harassing their fishing boats.
@rupertbrooks0I think UN is the best try till today for some kind of global political solution for international political probelms. Even some of the countries of the de-colonisation committee they are not democracies they are under UN. I disagree when you said the UN is not better than the countries that make it up. The same way you behave better in public I think UN make every countrie better, We dont block we just execise our freedom on what was left to us.
@rupertbrooks0 We dont violate the WTO since we dont conider malvinas as international waters we are just controlling our internal ships traffic. And of course we dont threat. Everything is done under diplimatic means. Stating clear that argentina will address this peacefully. Which is clearly stated in our 1994 constitution.
@simeagarran It isn't really up to the UK. It's up to the FIG and the islanders. The Parliament in London will never pass laws transferring sovereignty without the agreement of the islanders. The ships sailing from Port Stanley are entitled to fly the Falklands flag if they wish. The seas around the island are theirs not Argentina's, which is 400 miles away. There very obviously is no solution which will satisfy both Argentina and the islanders.
@rupertbrooks0 You can-not said is not up to uk since uk has decided to submit its decision on the mather to the islanders. With this decision and the inflexibilitie of the islanders the benefits of resolving this are clearly not well apreciated. There is also a lack of understanding on the fact that the same way a controversy needs two at least two to delope there also needs at least two to be fixed. This two are Uk and argentina. Of course taking in cosideration the interest of the locals.
@simeagarran It has been UK policy for decades that the wishes of the islanders are paramount. This is simply self-evident. They live there. If the islanders were US or Canadian, French, Dutch or Swedish citizens then their Governments would naturally adopt the same policy. No change without the support of the islanders. Argentina claims to take into account the interests of the islanders but ignores their wishes totally. It is the islanders themselves who best know where their intersts are.
@simeagarran People in the UK are shocked when they learn that the Argentine Olympic team will wear a logo claiming the islands as theirs. After all the map is a map of a British island where British citizens live. We don't understand Argentine objection to Prince William being stationed on the islands for 6 weeks. He is a search and rescue helicopter pilot who was co-pilot in a helicopter which recently saved the lives of Russian sailors who's ship sank in storms in the Irish sea.
@rupertbrooksAbout the prince i dont have too much to said.There was no need to make oublic his deploymient.Of course if you make it public you know is going to be in the media and argentina will see another oportunity to bring up the subject.Regarding the logo (even if is true or not) you can spec more of this to happen.The same as the sanction against the ships using the falklands flags since this flag is not recognized by the southamericans countries.This kind of things are going to increase
@simeagarran I don't see an answer to this dispute. It was British policy before the war to persuade the islanders to better co-operation with Argentina. The war changed everything. It was a traumatizing experience for the islanders. If the islands were worth fighting for they are worth keeping. Maybe in many years to come the attitude of the islanders will soften. Until then the islanders and the FIG will refuse to talk with Argentina and there is nothing the UK government can do.
@rupertbrooks0 War is traumatizing. But this war if you compare it with WW2 was a bitch slap. UK got over way more sooner with germany than with us. Why? Because UK and the islanders can not see any benefits on recognazing anything to argentina because they rely on tis military superiority and thats the end of the story. From here looks like that there more things that uk goverment dont want to do than things that the uk goverment can not do.
@simeagarran No. The difference is that the Islands were under enemy occupation, with the legitamite Government overthrown by an Argentine military coup. The same Country which still wishes to take over the Islands. The UK was never under German occupation and today doesn't claim sovereignty over the UK. The UK military is only there to defend the islands. Prior to 1982 the islands were undefended and we all know what happened.
@rupertbrooks0 That war was a late reaction to the invasion on 1833. I think we should go on war at that very moment. Like we did in 1806 and 1807 and expelled the colonialist. Malvinas is a rare case of colonialism because the local were not made slaves they just were kicked out. Unfortunately argentina relied on the diplomacy to adreess this issue and mistakenly trusted in Uk. The comparison with WW2 was in the sense of the traumatizing of war that you mentioned.
@simeagarran But the UK doesn't regard the re-occupation of 1833 as an invasion. It is clear that the UK had an outstanding claim, had made protests to the new republic at the time, and it is also the case that the United Provinces did not exercise meaningful sovereignty over the islands. It is untrue for Argentina to claim that the islands were an integral part of the United Provinces and fell underb the rule of Argentine law. The islands were "a land without Government".
@betasick The islands were "a land without Government". Not true. What you call aoccupation is invasion. Stay within your borders an will be no problems. Going around the world and taking land is call imperialism, colonialism and everything else is bullcrap.
@simeagarran There was NO invasion just a re-occupation to remove criminals and pirates, some of whom had been arrested earlier by the USA after they attacked their sailors. Since the whole of South America is a result of Spainish and Portugese colonialism your attitude is rank hypocracy. Are you going to give land back to the South American Indians?
@betasick Yeah all the people your empire kills and everything your empire steals is for the "good" of human kind. Your "humanitarian" wars they keep going on till today. So your theory is that UK went there to "clean" the islands for the americans, how sweet. If yuo want to see rank hipocrecy look youself in the mirrow.
@simeagarran Your ridiculous. There is no empire. It's long gone with all the other European empires. There is no theory. The islands were the haven of pirates FACT! They were never an integral part of the Republic of Argentina. The British had peacefully administered them for nearly 2 centuries. Compare that to the last 2 centuries in the rerst of South America!
@rupertbrooks0 NO empire no overseas territorie. Argentineans were expelled and discriminated. They were not allowed to stablish in the islands. You dont find weird that those islands being so close to argentina there are no significant number of argentineans there? Pirat heaven? May be thats why you guys are there.
@simeagarran I suggest you check your facts. Even Luis Vernet submits his land grant to the British Consul, requesting British approval. This is counter-signed by Vice Consul Charles Griffiths on the same day (30th Jan 1828). Captain Duncan of USS Lexington, acting on instructions from President Jackson Vernet, “… having been guilty of piracy and robbery, be delivered up to The United States to be tried or that he be arrested, and punished by the Laws of Buenos Ayres.”
@rupertbrooks0 Vernet later admitted British sovereignity by claiming and receiving compensation from British courts. In any case Vernet was from Hamburg which I believe the imperialists in Buenos Aires are not claiming as their territory yet.
@simeagarran Captain Clio persuaded most of the settlers, about 12 Gauchos to stay. He even paid their wages. The mutinous garrison was taken off the Island by The Argentine ship "Sarandi" The Argentine prisoners from the illegal penal colony were taken back to Argentina on the "Rapid". There are few Frenchmen on Jersey and few British citizens living on the Faroes islands. Thats because the islands are British and Danish. So what. The world is full of different countries living peacefully.
@simeagarran Why is it that Argentina is so far from Europe but it is full of Europeans and not full of native Americans. The reason is that the Europeans (your grandparents) murdered them and stole their land.
@simeagarran Why is it that Argentina is so far from Europe but it is full of Europeans and not full of native Americans. The reason is that the Europeans (your grandparents) murdered them and stole their land.
@simeagarran The UK doesn't conduct its foreign affairs any different from other European countries. We certainly don't kill thousands of our own people or have 7 military coups in the last 80 years. It's difficult to see why Argentina would even want to colonise 3,000 British people who would rebel against you. If Argentina ever got their hands on the islands the people would leave en mass, burning and destroying their homes and farms. Argentina would inherit nothing but smouldering ruins.
@simeagarran The bottom line is that the Islanders don't wish to discuss sovereignty. As Prime Minister Cameron “We must make sure our defences are strong, and that’s exactly what we’re doing. There’s no question of negotiating; there is no question of the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. We are permanently vigilant about the protection of the Falkland Islands and their defence, and I’ve spent a serious amount of time making sure that’s the case.”
@simeagarran Argentina is of course entitled to take a different view; but for the Islanders and therefore the UK there is no question of sovereignty to discuss. As former Foreign Secretary Lord Hurd has said " We have no doubts about our title to these islands. You cannot change sovereignty like moving pieces on a board, you ask the peopel concerned what they want". Very clearly the islanders wish to remain British. So that is that. The Govt is more concerned over Iran than the Falklands.
@simeagarran I see to have forgotten. Who came from Italy and Spain, murdered the native Americans in what is today Argentina? Who invaded the Falkland Islands? Who still has not paid a penny in compensation to the victims of 1982?
Your view of history is extremely biased. You are the victim of brain washing.
Get out of America and go back to Italy or Spain or wherever it is you come from. Give the native Americans their home back!
@alanheath3 Who are you to tell me im brain washed and you are not? You have that racist kind thinking path that beyond your belly botton everything is more or less the same. We are not spanish we are not italian and we didnt invaded any countrie. UK being EVERYWHERE shit disturbing and you have the nerve to call other people biased. You guys here are so self-indulgent.
@simeagarran Well you did invade the Falklands in 1982. I hear your President has ordered all schools to name a class-room in "honour" of a fallen Argentine soldier from the war. Why? It wouldn't happen in England. The Prime Minister can't just issue orders like this, schools would just ignore him. What are they celebrating exactly? The failure of the Argentine military to impose a military dictatorship on 2,000 British citizens. I'm afraid Argentinas human rights record will haunt you for years
@rupertbrooks Do some homework. First research what was the "school of the americas" and how the cold war afected south america and the decision of USA to no let happen another cuba. The talk about with a little bit more of respect about our civilian casualties.
Secund give any proof that the islanders at the time of the war were british. The were not as the gurkas were not british either at that time. Nothing is hunting we are full of self-criticism, learning and change.(all that is gone in UK)
@simeagarran I would like to add that I have nothing personal against Argentina or Argentinians. I'm convinced that Argentina and it's people are keen to deepen their young democracy and I have no reason to doubt that you are for the most part civilised people. I just think your totally wrong about the Falklands.
@rupertbrooks0 I dont have anything against the Brits either as long as they dont want to come back to the old days. Argentina has pretty good reasons to claim the islands (geographical, historical, a long consistent diplamatic work on the issue for almost two centuries and a wide international support). UK has some other reasons ( people living there, military superiority and the european support). Argentina accepted another diferent point of view and thats why we call for negotiation.
@rupertbrooks0 UK just accepted one side of the story.I think we can make something from this diferences when UK accept that there is not just one way or ONE truth. Argentina lost the war but won democracy. UK won the war but lost common sense. If UK one day accept another view on this i think we could make something good from all these differences.
@simeagarran In Parliament today the British Prime Minister stated that...“What the Argentines have been saying recently, I would argue, is far more like colonialism because these people want to remain British and the Argentines want them to do something else. The absolutely vital point is that we are clear that the future of the Falkland Islands is a matter for the people themselves. As long as they want to remain part of the United Kingdom and be British, they should be able to do so”.
@rupertbrooks0 Yup, we are aware of that. He also acused argentina of being more colonialist than UK, at least he is somehow admitting that colonialism is a bad thing and that UK its colonialist. We are happy to see that somehow UK is advancing on self-awareness but its not quite there yet cause we have no colonies when the history of UK is the history of colonialism itself. That they want to remain british is not compatible with our claim is UKs radical & political decision to block negotiation
@simeagarran Er No. He is not saying that the UK is colonialist. Since the UK has no colonies it cannot be colonialist. He is saying that Argentina's wish to occupy the Islands in complete disregard for the wishes of the islanders (some of whom have lived thewre for 6 generations) and to impose Argentine rule is a colonialist ambition. Which is self evidently is. Hector Timerman wrote in the Times on Saturday "these Islands that lie just off the coast of Argentina" Wrong again They're 700Km away
@rupertbrooks0 He said Argentina is more colonialist than UK therefore he is implying that uk is colonialist.As wikipedia says the minimum distance from the islands to argentina is480 km.Also is part of the south american continental plataform (geologically is part of the same block of land as argentina)(also wikipedia).As far as i know the UN decolonisation committe is working on 15 cases of remaining colonies in which 10 are related to UK.Looks like we are not the only ones to link UK&colonies
@simeagarran He was comparing the position of the two countries; the UK's position is to ask the people what they want. Argentinas is to ignore their wishes. It's ludicrous to talk about continental shelfs. This would mean the UK should be a part of France because it is on the European shelf. As for the other "colonies" again the UK has asked them what they want. The largest: Bermuda; (one of the riches countries in the world) had a recent referendum on independance and CHOSE to remain British
@rupertbrooks0 Lets see if i can explain my self better. To delimit border with chile was a nightmare. Its full of tiny lakes, big mountains, islands and rocks and we did it peacefully though was not easy. But we were neighbors. For you to understand is not like you should be part of france. It would be like if Japan invaded Scotland since 1833 then they have 2500 people who were not born in japan but they self-claim japanese so therefore UKs almost 200 hundred years claim wouldbe garbage.
@simeagarran Any of the other British Overseas Territories could choose to have independance if they wish. It's bonkers to talk of these as colonies. They are self governing democracies living under the rule of law. The Parliament in Bermuda is the oldest in the Americas and one of the oldest in the world. (3 centuries older than yours)The UK is only responsible for their defense and foreign affairs. They even have their own currencies; the e.g. Bermudan Dollar.
@rupertbrooks0 Might bonker but i think the concensus of colonie goes around the extension of a countrie beyond its border and its close area not if the people of that extended territorie likes UK or not.
@simeagarran The de-colonisation commitee includes countries such as the tyrannies of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Russia and China. Given China's barbarous record in Tibet and Russia's record in Chechnya they are hardly in a position to complain about the UK's relationship with the British Overseas territories like The Caymen Islands, The British Virgin Islands, and the Falkland Islands (free, prosperous, democratic).
@simeagarran Simple. Hong Kong was never a Colony. It was leased in a treaty (Treaty of Nanking 1898) from China for a period of 99 years. The UK had no choice but to hand it back to China in 1997. The remaining bit (the island of Victoria) was included in the handover as it would not have been a viable on its own. In other words the UK and the Hong Kong citizens had no choice. Given a choice the people of Hong Kong would have remained British.
@simeagarran Hong Kong was leased (rented) from China for 99 years. The Falkland Islands are a self-Governing British Overseas Territory. They are free, liberal, prosperous, financially independant and democratic. If it is a colony than where are the colonised?
@rupertbrooks0 The colonised? They were kicked out. Still is a colony beacuse is the extension of a countries territory beyonds its border an its close area. They can be all that but they are living in a disputed territory, FACT.
@rupertbrooks0 Already said to you. If this controversy went for so long its obvious that both sides has strong points. My view is to be pragmatical and find a middle point to make the south atlantic a safe zone and a worldwide example of internation coexistence and cooperation. But has to be done together not as an imposition of UKs view on the matter. Has to be a mutual compromise and shown of interest to solve this together.
@simeagarran I can only repeat that the UK's position is to support the wishes of the Islanders. The UK cannot negotiate over the heads of the people who actually live on the islands. Since they have their own elected Government Argentina has no choice but to deal directly with them. The Parliament in London would never vote for a deal that is contrary to the wishes of the Falklands Island Government. That's democracy for you.
@rupertbrooks0 Well i was happy to see that not everybody in uk has this point of view. I am aware that was written in some newspaper a more open minded view on the matter. You can do all you want with the islanders wishes but thats not a hard physics law of democracie what you are doing its just a deliberate decision on how to address this controversy.
@simeagarran I think you are referring to an article by Times journalist Simon Winchester. He was comparing the Falklands to the Hong Kong solution. Unfortunately he (oddly for a Times journalist) was unaware that Hong Kong was Leased from China and would have to be handed back in 1997 in any event. He also seemed to ignore the wishes of the islanders who already rejected s similar proposal in 1980.
@rupertbrooks0 Probably yes i think i was talking about him. I also hear a broadcaster, Mr Gallaway. I dont think that a journalist from a major nespaper would be anaware I think he was trying to show that agreement is always posible.
Argentina claim back Falklands from UK FAGS
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I am neither spanish neither Italian. I am proudly Argentinean born from proudly Argentinean born parents. As Argentinean i dont have to give anything back since we didn't conquer america. We rebelled against the conquerors and we created a free countrie to welcome everybody(including brits) and thats since our 1810 constitution. If i were spanish or italian i would intend to live in italy or spain. If the islanders are so proudly brits they should do the same and go to uk.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran You are not a native American - you are descended from European colonists. You are ethnically European. Go home! Get out of America! Give the natives their land back!
alanheath3 1 week ago
@alanheath3 you dont read what i said, you show no respect, you are a jackass.
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@betasick To us what seems weird is being part of a south american countrie and have to border with a north eropean countrie because they have fancy words such as "overseas territory" for what is the old imperial practice of the Birtish empire of going around the world taking land. Those ¨little ice-cold bunch of land down there" as you quoted Mr, Reagan are part of our territory, our homeland, forgeting it would be as easy as for UK to change the union jack colours to brown, green and yellow.
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@rupertbrooks0 In 1982 was an express order to avoid any civilian casualties even to the cost of the own argentinian military personnel. As far as i known there was no civilian casualties during the invasion. But there was unfortunately some civilian casualties at the end when british shoot them by mistake. What we know is that 1833 yes there was argentine people living in the island who were expeled by the british.
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lol you are such a funny ignorant.......jajajajaj
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@rupertbrooks Here you are wayyyyyy out. You think we treat the islanders like palestinians????? please!!!!!! of course there is nothing argentinian there because was WHIPED OUT. Thats what you do when uk takes land either if there is to many people you make them slaves, like india if not, kick them out. I wonder why the islands had a spanish name if they never had anything to do with argentina. You know even obama called them malvinas?
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The video poster needs to provide more context. Why exactly was this program considered one-sided? It's not obvious to me from the video.
nojyt 1 month ago
Fuck you all british!
GDC93LP 1 month ago
@GDC93LP That sounds good to me - provided that the person in charge is a good looking female in her thirties.
alanheath3 1 week ago
Any chance you can put the rest of this programme up?
james80pk 2 months ago
Crush the Argies!
publicanimal9 2 months ago
@TheStandofTheLastGuy piratas, la argentina no uk, aqui somos democraticos alli no,
joslou 2 months ago
UN Decolonisation Committee Resolution - June 2004: "Recalling General Assembly resolutions 1514, 2065, 3160, 31/49, 37/9, 38/12, 39/6, 40/21, 41/40, 42/19 and 43/25, Aware that the maintenance of colonial situations is incompatible with the UN ideal of universal peace, Reiterates that the way to put an end to the special and particular colonial situation is the peaceful and negotiated settlement of the dispute over sovereignty."
111jasy111 3 months ago
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Of course these people are colonists. The country is run by a woman with a Spanish and German name, Menem came from Syria, Galitieri from Italy and did not even speak Spanish at home. 98.4% of the population of Argentina is not native American. They come from somewhere else. I am not seriously suggesting they go back to where their parents or grandparents came from but they have no right seizing land from other people - which includes also Chile, Bolivia and Paraguay!
alanheath3 4 months ago 2
The folklands will kick off in weeks to come, we will here about this in the media within a few weeks
666FOOTSOLDIER 4 months ago
United Nations.
Lol.
Just as effective back then as they are now.
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@TheStandofTheLastGuy Lets take this argument further. Britain was part of the Roman Empire. Therefore maybe we ought to invade Sicily because that was also part of the Roman Empire.
I say Sicily because I rather fancy living there myself. However some Greek islands - also part of the Roman Empire - would do nicely as well.
If we can't invade Italy or Greece, there are some nice places in Turkey - great food too - maybe we could invade that as well as part of the ex Roman Empire.
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@TheStandofTheLastGuy Lets take this argument further. Britain was part of the Roman Empire. Therefore maybe we ought to invade Sicily because that was also part of the Roman Empire.
I say Sicily because I rather fancy living there myself. However some Greek islands - also part of the Roman Empire - would do nicely as well.
If we can't invade Italy or Greece, there are some nice places in Turkey - great food too - maybe we could invade that as well as part of the ex Roman Empire.
alanheath3 4 months ago
@TheStandofTheLastGuy Lets take this argument further. Britain was part of the Roman Empire. Therefore maybe we ought to invade Sicily because that was also part of the Roman Empire.
I say Sicily because I rather fancy living there myself. However some Greek islands - also part of the Roman Empire - would do nicely as well.
If we can't invade Italy or Greece, there are some nice places in Turkey - great food too - maybe we could invade that as well as part of the ex Roman Empire.
alanheath3 4 months ago
even if at some point the falklands belonged 2 the Argies, nowadays thanks to the british they have a growin economy, great education n medical services, why would u wanna go back 2 misery? argies and their big egos...
tatidel87 5 months ago
3:23 "lets not forget who started all this."
End of.
Can't imagine the "wet BBC" saying something like this now.
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In 1910, a 17,000-word memo was commissioned by the British Foreign Office to look at the historical dispute over sovereignty. The study highlighted many weaknesses in the British case. The head of the Foreign Office's American department, Gerald Spicer, wrote: "From a perusal of this memo it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the Argentine government's attitude is not altogether unjustified and that our action has been somewhat high-handed."
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The UN Decolonization Committee adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in Malvinas is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadnt been implemented by the UK
111jasy111 7 months ago
The Malvinas are Argentine, you English should remove its imperialism, set aside pride.
Islanders were nationalized and 6 Argentinos ... As discussed and many of them had thought of doing but are afraid of what might cause your decision.
Do not be mediocre Malvinas are Argentine, so the story goes, says the people acclaimed him a nation of 40 million ...
They admit it and return it costs but it is reality.
Greetings.
Santiago Pucciarelli
MrSantiagor10 7 months ago
@MrSantiagor10 When were the islands ever Argentine? You have never owned them. Spain has a claim, but Argentina has nothing.
MarkChapeau 7 months ago
@MarkChapeau begining of 19th century after argentina became an independent country
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 For how many days was that?
MarkChapeau 7 months ago
@111jasy111 And it was SPAIN who claimed the islands dickhead. SPAIN.
MarkChapeau 7 months ago
@MarkChapeau all spanish territores became argentine including the islands. and the argentine goverment rightfuly had sovereignity there until 1833 when the british illegaly invaded. since then the argentine goverment made formal complains.
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 we had them before spain, left them, then took them back. They are ours bud. And in reality britain established the settlement, it was empty when spain had it. the people of the island are british. Your idiot president acting like poor old argentina had its lands taken, silly cow. you will have to take us to war if you want them :-).
MarkChapeau 7 months ago
@MarkChapeau thats right you left them. so el que se fue a sevilla perdio su silla. that settlement you mention, it was illegal and rightfuly destroyed by spanish forces. there's no need for war. argentina will win this case within this frame of the united nations.
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 Impossible. You aren't important enough.
MarkChapeau 7 months ago
@MarkChapeau nice response. thank you.
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 el que se fue a sevilla perdio su silla?
August 1833 to January 1834 no-one was in de facto control of the islands, and where was argentina then?
Your arguments fail, the only true deep argument is pride, nationalism and envy.
foroparapente 3 weeks ago
@111jasy111 Spanish territory did not become Argentinian. I can't remember the Costa del Sol being in Argentina the last time I was there.
alanheath3 4 months ago
@alanheath3 i am talking about virreinato del rio de la plata.
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111jasy111 9 months ago
@111jasy111 Billy Goat says "Eat shit and die".
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@111jasy111 Fuck me, William Shakespeare, is that you?!
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@111jasy111 i vote we invade Argentina
Saxonandproud 8 months ago
@TheStandofTheLastGuy declaramos la independencia de españa, pero estan unidas por la plataforma submarina del continente, es como que los ingleses quieran tomar buenos aires por que nos independizamos de españa, no tiene sentido lo que decis
Brandondel96 10 months ago
@TheStandofTheLastGuy las tierras colonizadas por españa ,al desvincularnos, nos pasó a pertener a nosotros los Argentinos.
mauricio198891 10 months ago
Any claim the Argies thought they had was forfeited when they illegally invaded the islands, they should move on. If Thatcher ans Raegan taught the world anything, its that you have to look forward, nbot backward, if you have any chance fo progress.
Burnzi2 10 months ago
Sorry,Argentina was LESS than democratic than UK. Falkland Islanders WANT to be British......No brainer
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111jasy111 9 months ago
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Hey, maybe the Argentines need the Falklands to hide more of the bodies that are still sitting waiting to be "dissapeared". To be fair most Latin Americans don't like Argentina anyway and were happy that the sound beating they got managed to get rid of a murdering dictator.
u107261 9 months ago
@u107261 wtf u talking about. Argentina gave the dictators a life sentence.
111jasy111 9 months ago
@111jasy111 You are all Spanish colonists yourselves my friend. Spanish and Italians. Argentina is part of 'evil' colonialism also.
MarkChapeau 7 months ago
@MarkChapeau don't forget hebrews (second biggest after USA) and germans, jews, poles, japanese, chinese, korean, turkish, arabs, whatev
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 Yeah so everyone is evil colonist. You also highjacked planes in 1960s didn't you? So terrorism is also your hobby,
MarkChapeau 7 months ago
I love the way Argentina cry's foul when it suits them.
You start a illegal war & then get your arse KICKED
Don't cry like you are the victims.
There's a saying " If you play with a Bull don't Bitch when you get the Horns!"
No one lisens to your incoherent ramblings about the 1800's and
you will never take into account the rights of the Islander.
So Britain must do what is best for the Islanders because the Argentina will not..
Develop Any resourses & ignore Argentina's claims.
TrentVenture 10 months ago 12
@TrentVenture i wish that your entire family die
patriargentina92 10 months ago
@patriargentina92 Woo little bitter are we."Don't Cry for Mr Argentina".
TrentVenture 10 months ago
@TrentVenture Hi I'm from El salvador British the falklands islands are argentinian territory give back to them ,falklands malvinas are argentian territory.
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@elargentinounico1982 Sorry we are a democracy.
The Islanders whom live there do not want be Argentine.
They have voted to stay British.It is their home for the last 250 years.
So what our citizens who live there say is what will happen.
As long as they say this,nothing can change.
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@TrentVenture@TrentVenture All countries has its mistakes, rights and wrongs. When argentina invaded (which i think was a mistake by an ilegal goverment) argentina didnt touch one single islander. What we can say about england when it invaded let me see, every single continent in the wolrd? We dond t bitch. We fought good and we did the most damage to the royal navy since WW2 till today. Argentine learned the lesson and leaft this issue to the diplomacy. Every bull has its butcher, wont be us
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
just because islington is full of pakistanis doesnt mean its part of pakistan.good old imperial britian
fergalmcardle 11 months ago
@fergalmcardle Thats just stupid. Britain didn't behave any differently from any other European country in the C19th. Without European imperialism Argentina wouldn't even exist. Argentina herself grabbed land from Paraguay and Chile. Are you going to give Formosa (for example) back? And what about the "war of the desert" when Argentina grabbed Patagonia from the Indians with acts of genocide, the 'Napalpí massacre' for example. the Falklands are no more Argentinian than Scotland is.
rupertbrooks0 10 months ago 3
@rupertbrooks0 Your historical data I have to said is mostly true but incomplete. You should read a litle bit more perhaps about the british role in the paraguay war which was not a war for land but to stop the well developed paraguayian industrie. But we can be with this historical nonsense for hours. If not because the level of the ocean malvinas would be in the patagonia like escotland would be stick to england. You are far away and that is colonialism and the wolrd consensus is to stop it.
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran Geography has nothing to do with colonialism. The Faroe islands are North of Scotland but are administered by Denmark; but the people of Scotland don't claim that because the're in "Scottish" waters they must therefore be Scottish. Equally the British Channel Island of Jersey is 100 miles from England but only 20 miles from France but France doesn't that therefore this makes them French. Alaska is 500 miles from the USA, it doesn't make them Canadian.
rupertbrooks0 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 I would like you to read your own examples. All of them are in the same continent and hemisphere......so yeah streching the uk border far away from the north europe all the way down to the south hemisphere and the south american continent, yup thats exactly colonialism.
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran Actually the UK border does not stretch to the South Atlantic. The Falklands are not part of the UK, neither are the Channel Islands. The Falklands are a Self-Governing British Overseas Territory. They have their own elected Government, their own tax system (they receive no funds from the UK) print their own bank-notes and postage stamps and determine their own policies on fishing, agriculture, education etc. The UK is responsible for their defense anmd foreign affairs only.
rupertbrooks0 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 Once again i would like you to read what you are writing. Its full of contradiction. First you said malvinas are not part of the uk and then you said they are a self governing BRITISH overseas territory. All this game of names and definitions may be look ok to british but for the rest of the world its just pure and plane cynicism. We all know that UK is responsable for the defense as well as responsable for taking a piece of the economic value and juicy natural resources.
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran No you are wrong. This is not a form of words. Being British is NOT the same as being part of the UK. They do not send MP's to Westminster, they Govern themselves through their elected assembly. Their constitutional arrangement is the same as other British Overseas Territories such as Bermuda, The Caymen Islands etc. The Channel Islands have a different constitutional arrangement; namely British Overseas dependancies. I suggest to look at the Falklands Isalnd Government Website.
rupertbrooks0 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 Interesting they organize in whatever ways they want. That does not change the fact that the island were invaded and argentinians were kicked out since then. And argentina never recognized that action since 1833 has claiming peacefully the islands. Uk has being playing since then the go around and around game since then. Here is were you need to take responsabilitie for the past action of your countrie and if you had good will find a solution.
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran Since the Islands are Internationally recognised as Crown British territory the oil and fish actually belong to the Islanders. May I remind you that the islands are 400 miles from Argentina and therefore nowhere near your territorial waters. I am not mistaken about war propaganda. I remember the invasion and the deep shock it had on the country. Argentina has never apologised for the war or offered compensation to the Islanders. It is Argentina who is still the agressor.
rupertbrooks0 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 Internationally Who?????? the only ones to recognize what you are saying are your european buddies, which by the way they are falling apart. INTNERNATIONALLY WHICH IS THE UNITED NATION RECOGNIZES THA ISLANDS AS AREA IN DISPUTE AND YEARLY PRODUCES A RESOLUTION ASKING UK TO R E S U M E NEGOTIATION WITH ARGENTINA (sorry about the capital letters but i thought you might have a problem reading that). Even your best buddies (the americans) remain neutral on the issue.
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 The goverment that did that war was not legal. And we argentinians lost 30.000 civilians because of the political persecucion of the dictatorship who kill way more inocent argentinian civilians than the casualties for both sides together in that war. Also argentina was punish with military and economic embargo after the war. That military goverment was a puppet of the americans who trained them at the "school of the americas". Research about the school of americas youll undestand.
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 you are still behaving like in the C19Th. The world is still waiting for the mass destruction weapons which Irak was full of. Good job guys you keep doing it!
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran Thanks. The world is a better place now Saddam is gone, or would you prefer he was still in power? It was also good to see Britain and France play a part in removing Gaddaffi. It was also good to see NATO (on Tony Blair's instigation) bomb Milosvic's Serbia in order to stop Serb attacks on Kosovo civilians.
rupertbrooks0 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 Probably you are right, Saddam was a bad a guy and all that. But you see the logic behind the way its being done? First is this guy, then the other guy is just not like that. UN was created to avoid another World War and is not being respected and working properly. Uk went after Irak because of the mass destruction weapon which it turns to be a mass bullshit. If countries just decides by themself to go on war with a few buddies al human kind is doomed.
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran The British Prime Minister was correct when he recently said that no democracy could ever agree to the Argentine demands. If the Falklands were administered by the USA, or Canada, or France or the Dutch their position would be the same; namely that any change in the constitutional status of the Islands must have the approval of the citizens who actually live on the islands and who are the people most affected. This is simply self evident and needs no further exp[lanation.
rupertbrooks0 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 Our true and common enemy is ignorance. First a lot of democracies are suporting argentina´s claim. I would said all south and central america 's countries. You can find this on CELACS, UNASUR and MERCOSUR resolution's on the matter. Also the UN is producing a yearly resolution asking UK to negotiate with argentina which of course its being just its ignore by UK because the UN is just usefull to punish countries outside the security council. Or china is a democracy?
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran The world is changing and the UK is not, and the uk is needing more the world than the world needs the uk. Thanks for metioning Canada. Canada has Quebec, they have their language, laws, inmigration policies, authorities, all kind of freedoms are respected to them, yet they are canadians. To finish argentina is a democracy, young but a democracie. We are not demanding and we are not in position to demand. We are just using "the international democracie" like UN to find a solution.
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran But what are we supposed to be negotiating about? Its like asking someone to negotiate the price of a second-hand car when they don't want to buy a car? The Islanders have made it clear they do not wish to become a part of Argentina. The British Govt. can hardly be expected to effectively expell them from the country of their birth. You just cannot redraw the map of the world according to how it was centuries ago and ignore the wishes of the people involved.
rupertbrooks0 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 Well you ask a question so ill try to answer it. See the way you said it? ¨the islanders dont want to be part of argentina"? We dont clain the islanders we claim our heritage, our territorie and a apoligie from UK for invading Buenos Aires TWICE (1806-1807) and the invasion of the islands (1833). Negotiation is posible taking in consideration the freedom and way of life of the islanders. Example Quebec in Canada. There are british living in the mainland and they are respected too.
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran Islands didn't belong to anyone in 1833, having been abandoned by Spain in 1811 and been declared "a land without Government by the USA" Since Britain had an outstanding claim dating to 25th January 1765 the re-occupation of 1833 needs no apology. How can you claim to respect the wishes and interests of the islanders when you wish to force them to accept laws which are not theirs. In the UK and in the Falklands the police are unarmed, we don't have ID cards. This will all change.
rupertbrooks0 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 Nobodie wants to steal, change their lifes or do anything bad to the islanders. UK and argentina being exelent trade partners for years. We have more common ground than diferences. We share the same occidental values and political sistems. If our politicians can not work out this out so then just forget about politics as a way of fixing problems peacefully. What you blame us you did worst 1833 yes there were argentians there and they were expeled by force and never aloud toreturn
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarran And will the Islanders be allowed to maintain their own tax system or be forced to pay Argentine taxes. Will they be allowed to use their own currency (Falklands pound) or will they be forced to use Argentine money. Will they be allowed to use their own Falklands postage stamps or be forced to use Argentine stamps. Will they be allowed to police themselves or see armed Argentine police on their streets. Will they be permitted to maintain their own education system.....
rupertbrooks0 2 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 For start i would said they wont be forced to anything. Defense could be share with argentina not because argentina is significant as fire power but its logistics will reduce the uk budget a lot. Thats just one litle expample of the benefits of an agreement. But none of this has any oportunity if talkings are not resume. After that innovative, open minded and creatives political solutions will be posible. Argentina and uk has more to win together than separated.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran ..or will they be forced to accept an Argentine curriculum. Will their justice system be based on English common law or will they be forced to accept Argentine legal system. Will they be able to maintain their loyalty to the Queen or will they be forced to worship the Argentine flag and swear loyalty to the "Fatherland" (like Nazi Germany). Will they be permitted to maintain their mature, pragmatic political outlook or will they be governed by cults like "Peronism"
rupertbrooks0 2 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 Your are too influenced by the past. Since Peron died not even peronist agrees on what peronist means. Todays peronist is more a political style than a clear ideologie. There is left and right win of peronism but none of them are close to fascism anymore as before. Actually we have a current peronist goverment which is working hard on human rights and minority rights issues. In our countrie we dont force anybody anymore.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran The simple solution will be for Argentina to accept the rights of the islanders to be governed by the Government of their choice. Once Argentina drops their claim on the islands the dispute will disappear. Any negotiations must include a delegation from the Falklands Island Government (the FIG). Since the FIG has no doubts about their sovereignty there will be no talks. The British Government will not negotiate without the consent of the Islanders.
rupertbrooks0 2 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 May look simple from outside. But If you think a minute about this you ll realize even if it might looks simple it is not. More than 150 years of claiming you think is going to stop just like that? Without UK not compromising anything and not taking any responsability for coming all the way to here and expell the argentinians? Yes the dispute can be over but argentina can not do it alone.
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@rupertbrooks0I will not just let them maintain their mature pragmatic political outlook i will also would like to learn from it. Again i would not think to force them on anything that you mention. I rather would like to see a diplomatic agreement able to mix the best of our cultures which are not very diferent. True confrontation i can see with iran, north korea or maybe china. We can be a friendly backyard while the NATO deals with more serius problems like the ones i mentioned above.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran Argentina did NOT have sovereignty in 1833. There was NO Argentine customs house, Parliament building, law courts, post office. There where no schools, churches, farms, hospitals. In March 1833 Charles Darwin in his book "The Voyage of the Beagle" described it as a "collection of squalid huts" There where no more than 40 people, most not even Argentine citizens, who were criminal and vagabonds who scratched a living robbing American Sailors. .............
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@rupertbrooks0 I dont think that is about how many or how good or how developed people were there. They were there and they deserved respect they didn t go all the way up to take land from scotland lets say. I doubt anybody can steal anything from americans, they are very well known about how good the defend themselves. Eitherway we can not change the past but we can chose our future. Where there is a problem there is an oportunity is to us decide what we want.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran May I also remind you that Argentina is politically unstable. It has had 6-7 military coups since 1930. as recently as the early 1980's Argentine governments murdered 1000's of their own people. Argentina supported the axis powers in WW2. The main political power; Peronism is derived from Fascist Mussolini of Italy. Your only been a democracy for a mere 28 years. This is very worrying for the islanders who distrust Argentina and even some people hate Argentina for the invasion.
rupertbrooks0 3 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 Is very interesting everything you said and as soon as UK start talking with argentina under the UN resolution everything of this should be address and find multilateral ways and mechanism to warrantie the population that the end of the dispute with uk wont affect them whatsoever. The hate is going to wash of as soon as they return to hour hospitals and warm beaches like they used to do before the war. Argentina always gave them free hospital since always consider them argentinian
simeagarran 3 weeks ago
@simeagarranYou have this weird believe that the UN is some higher moral authority. It isn't. It's no better than the nations which make it up. The annual UN resolutions are issued by the UN De-colonisation committee; whose members include Syria, Russia, Iran and China. Exactly. The dispute is purely the fault of Argentina. It is Argentina who invaded the islands, is bullying and threatening the islanders, blocking their ships, violating WTO laws, harassing their fishing boats.
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@rupertbrooks0I think UN is the best try till today for some kind of global political solution for international political probelms. Even some of the countries of the de-colonisation committee they are not democracies they are under UN. I disagree when you said the UN is not better than the countries that make it up. The same way you behave better in public I think UN make every countrie better, We dont block we just execise our freedom on what was left to us.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 We dont violate the WTO since we dont conider malvinas as international waters we are just controlling our internal ships traffic. And of course we dont threat. Everything is done under diplimatic means. Stating clear that argentina will address this peacefully. Which is clearly stated in our 1994 constitution.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran It isn't really up to the UK. It's up to the FIG and the islanders. The Parliament in London will never pass laws transferring sovereignty without the agreement of the islanders. The ships sailing from Port Stanley are entitled to fly the Falklands flag if they wish. The seas around the island are theirs not Argentina's, which is 400 miles away. There very obviously is no solution which will satisfy both Argentina and the islanders.
rupertbrooks0 2 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 You can-not said is not up to uk since uk has decided to submit its decision on the mather to the islanders. With this decision and the inflexibilitie of the islanders the benefits of resolving this are clearly not well apreciated. There is also a lack of understanding on the fact that the same way a controversy needs two at least two to delope there also needs at least two to be fixed. This two are Uk and argentina. Of course taking in cosideration the interest of the locals.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran It has been UK policy for decades that the wishes of the islanders are paramount. This is simply self-evident. They live there. If the islanders were US or Canadian, French, Dutch or Swedish citizens then their Governments would naturally adopt the same policy. No change without the support of the islanders. Argentina claims to take into account the interests of the islanders but ignores their wishes totally. It is the islanders themselves who best know where their intersts are.
rupertbrooks0 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran People in the UK are shocked when they learn that the Argentine Olympic team will wear a logo claiming the islands as theirs. After all the map is a map of a British island where British citizens live. We don't understand Argentine objection to Prince William being stationed on the islands for 6 weeks. He is a search and rescue helicopter pilot who was co-pilot in a helicopter which recently saved the lives of Russian sailors who's ship sank in storms in the Irish sea.
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@rupertbrooksAbout the prince i dont have too much to said.There was no need to make oublic his deploymient.Of course if you make it public you know is going to be in the media and argentina will see another oportunity to bring up the subject.Regarding the logo (even if is true or not) you can spec more of this to happen.The same as the sanction against the ships using the falklands flags since this flag is not recognized by the southamericans countries.This kind of things are going to increase
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran I don't see an answer to this dispute. It was British policy before the war to persuade the islanders to better co-operation with Argentina. The war changed everything. It was a traumatizing experience for the islanders. If the islands were worth fighting for they are worth keeping. Maybe in many years to come the attitude of the islanders will soften. Until then the islanders and the FIG will refuse to talk with Argentina and there is nothing the UK government can do.
rupertbrooks0 2 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 War is traumatizing. But this war if you compare it with WW2 was a bitch slap. UK got over way more sooner with germany than with us. Why? Because UK and the islanders can not see any benefits on recognazing anything to argentina because they rely on tis military superiority and thats the end of the story. From here looks like that there more things that uk goverment dont want to do than things that the uk goverment can not do.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran No. The difference is that the Islands were under enemy occupation, with the legitamite Government overthrown by an Argentine military coup. The same Country which still wishes to take over the Islands. The UK was never under German occupation and today doesn't claim sovereignty over the UK. The UK military is only there to defend the islands. Prior to 1982 the islands were undefended and we all know what happened.
rupertbrooks0 2 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 That war was a late reaction to the invasion on 1833. I think we should go on war at that very moment. Like we did in 1806 and 1807 and expelled the colonialist. Malvinas is a rare case of colonialism because the local were not made slaves they just were kicked out. Unfortunately argentina relied on the diplomacy to adreess this issue and mistakenly trusted in Uk. The comparison with WW2 was in the sense of the traumatizing of war that you mentioned.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran But the UK doesn't regard the re-occupation of 1833 as an invasion. It is clear that the UK had an outstanding claim, had made protests to the new republic at the time, and it is also the case that the United Provinces did not exercise meaningful sovereignty over the islands. It is untrue for Argentina to claim that the islands were an integral part of the United Provinces and fell underb the rule of Argentine law. The islands were "a land without Government".
betasick 2 weeks ago
@betasick The islands were "a land without Government". Not true. What you call aoccupation is invasion. Stay within your borders an will be no problems. Going around the world and taking land is call imperialism, colonialism and everything else is bullcrap.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran There was NO invasion just a re-occupation to remove criminals and pirates, some of whom had been arrested earlier by the USA after they attacked their sailors. Since the whole of South America is a result of Spainish and Portugese colonialism your attitude is rank hypocracy. Are you going to give land back to the South American Indians?
betasick 2 weeks ago
@betasick Yeah all the people your empire kills and everything your empire steals is for the "good" of human kind. Your "humanitarian" wars they keep going on till today. So your theory is that UK went there to "clean" the islands for the americans, how sweet. If yuo want to see rank hipocrecy look youself in the mirrow.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
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@simeagarran Your ridiculous. There is no empire. It's long gone with all the other European empires. There is no theory. The islands were the haven of pirates FACT! They were never an integral part of the Republic of Argentina. The British had peacefully administered them for nearly 2 centuries. Compare that to the last 2 centuries in the rerst of South America!
rupertbrooks0 2 weeks ago
@rupertbrooks0 NO empire no overseas territorie. Argentineans were expelled and discriminated. They were not allowed to stablish in the islands. You dont find weird that those islands being so close to argentina there are no significant number of argentineans there? Pirat heaven? May be thats why you guys are there.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran I suggest you check your facts. Even Luis Vernet submits his land grant to the British Consul, requesting British approval. This is counter-signed by Vice Consul Charles Griffiths on the same day (30th Jan 1828). Captain Duncan of USS Lexington, acting on instructions from President Jackson Vernet, “… having been guilty of piracy and robbery, be delivered up to The United States to be tried or that he be arrested, and punished by the Laws of Buenos Ayres.”
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 Vernet later admitted British sovereignity by claiming and receiving compensation from British courts. In any case Vernet was from Hamburg which I believe the imperialists in Buenos Aires are not claiming as their territory yet.
alanheath3 1 week ago
@simeagarran Captain Clio persuaded most of the settlers, about 12 Gauchos to stay. He even paid their wages. The mutinous garrison was taken off the Island by The Argentine ship "Sarandi" The Argentine prisoners from the illegal penal colony were taken back to Argentina on the "Rapid". There are few Frenchmen on Jersey and few British citizens living on the Faroes islands. Thats because the islands are British and Danish. So what. The world is full of different countries living peacefully.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@simeagarran Why is it that Argentina is so far from Europe but it is full of Europeans and not full of native Americans. The reason is that the Europeans (your grandparents) murdered them and stole their land.
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@simeagarran Why is it that Argentina is so far from Europe but it is full of Europeans and not full of native Americans. The reason is that the Europeans (your grandparents) murdered them and stole their land.
alanheath3 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 Maybe we are a mess but we dont go around the world stealing, killing and producing wars.
simeagarran 2 weeks ago
@simeagarran The UK doesn't conduct its foreign affairs any different from other European countries. We certainly don't kill thousands of our own people or have 7 military coups in the last 80 years. It's difficult to see why Argentina would even want to colonise 3,000 British people who would rebel against you. If Argentina ever got their hands on the islands the people would leave en mass, burning and destroying their homes and farms. Argentina would inherit nothing but smouldering ruins.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@simeagarran The bottom line is that the Islanders don't wish to discuss sovereignty. As Prime Minister Cameron “We must make sure our defences are strong, and that’s exactly what we’re doing. There’s no question of negotiating; there is no question of the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. We are permanently vigilant about the protection of the Falkland Islands and their defence, and I’ve spent a serious amount of time making sure that’s the case.”
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@simeagarran Argentina is of course entitled to take a different view; but for the Islanders and therefore the UK there is no question of sovereignty to discuss. As former Foreign Secretary Lord Hurd has said " We have no doubts about our title to these islands. You cannot change sovereignty like moving pieces on a board, you ask the peopel concerned what they want". Very clearly the islanders wish to remain British. So that is that. The Govt is more concerned over Iran than the Falklands.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@simeagarran I see to have forgotten. Who came from Italy and Spain, murdered the native Americans in what is today Argentina? Who invaded the Falkland Islands? Who still has not paid a penny in compensation to the victims of 1982?
Your view of history is extremely biased. You are the victim of brain washing.
Get out of America and go back to Italy or Spain or wherever it is you come from. Give the native Americans their home back!
alanheath3 1 week ago
@alanheath3 Who are you to tell me im brain washed and you are not? You have that racist kind thinking path that beyond your belly botton everything is more or less the same. We are not spanish we are not italian and we didnt invaded any countrie. UK being EVERYWHERE shit disturbing and you have the nerve to call other people biased. You guys here are so self-indulgent.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran Well you did invade the Falklands in 1982. I hear your President has ordered all schools to name a class-room in "honour" of a fallen Argentine soldier from the war. Why? It wouldn't happen in England. The Prime Minister can't just issue orders like this, schools would just ignore him. What are they celebrating exactly? The failure of the Argentine military to impose a military dictatorship on 2,000 British citizens. I'm afraid Argentinas human rights record will haunt you for years
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks Do some homework. First research what was the "school of the americas" and how the cold war afected south america and the decision of USA to no let happen another cuba. The talk about with a little bit more of respect about our civilian casualties.
Secund give any proof that the islanders at the time of the war were british. The were not as the gurkas were not british either at that time. Nothing is hunting we are full of self-criticism, learning and change.(all that is gone in UK)
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran I would like to add that I have nothing personal against Argentina or Argentinians. I'm convinced that Argentina and it's people are keen to deepen their young democracy and I have no reason to doubt that you are for the most part civilised people. I just think your totally wrong about the Falklands.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 I dont have anything against the Brits either as long as they dont want to come back to the old days. Argentina has pretty good reasons to claim the islands (geographical, historical, a long consistent diplamatic work on the issue for almost two centuries and a wide international support). UK has some other reasons ( people living there, military superiority and the european support). Argentina accepted another diferent point of view and thats why we call for negotiation.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 UK just accepted one side of the story.I think we can make something from this diferences when UK accept that there is not just one way or ONE truth. Argentina lost the war but won democracy. UK won the war but lost common sense. If UK one day accept another view on this i think we could make something good from all these differences.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran In Parliament today the British Prime Minister stated that...“What the Argentines have been saying recently, I would argue, is far more like colonialism because these people want to remain British and the Argentines want them to do something else. The absolutely vital point is that we are clear that the future of the Falkland Islands is a matter for the people themselves. As long as they want to remain part of the United Kingdom and be British, they should be able to do so”.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 Yup, we are aware of that. He also acused argentina of being more colonialist than UK, at least he is somehow admitting that colonialism is a bad thing and that UK its colonialist. We are happy to see that somehow UK is advancing on self-awareness but its not quite there yet cause we have no colonies when the history of UK is the history of colonialism itself. That they want to remain british is not compatible with our claim is UKs radical & political decision to block negotiation
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran Er No. He is not saying that the UK is colonialist. Since the UK has no colonies it cannot be colonialist. He is saying that Argentina's wish to occupy the Islands in complete disregard for the wishes of the islanders (some of whom have lived thewre for 6 generations) and to impose Argentine rule is a colonialist ambition. Which is self evidently is. Hector Timerman wrote in the Times on Saturday "these Islands that lie just off the coast of Argentina" Wrong again They're 700Km away
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 He said Argentina is more colonialist than UK therefore he is implying that uk is colonialist.As wikipedia says the minimum distance from the islands to argentina is480 km.Also is part of the south american continental plataform (geologically is part of the same block of land as argentina)(also wikipedia).As far as i know the UN decolonisation committe is working on 15 cases of remaining colonies in which 10 are related to UK.Looks like we are not the only ones to link UK&colonies
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran He was comparing the position of the two countries; the UK's position is to ask the people what they want. Argentinas is to ignore their wishes. It's ludicrous to talk about continental shelfs. This would mean the UK should be a part of France because it is on the European shelf. As for the other "colonies" again the UK has asked them what they want. The largest: Bermuda; (one of the riches countries in the world) had a recent referendum on independance and CHOSE to remain British
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 Lets see if i can explain my self better. To delimit border with chile was a nightmare. Its full of tiny lakes, big mountains, islands and rocks and we did it peacefully though was not easy. But we were neighbors. For you to understand is not like you should be part of france. It would be like if Japan invaded Scotland since 1833 then they have 2500 people who were not born in japan but they self-claim japanese so therefore UKs almost 200 hundred years claim wouldbe garbage.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran Any of the other British Overseas Territories could choose to have independance if they wish. It's bonkers to talk of these as colonies. They are self governing democracies living under the rule of law. The Parliament in Bermuda is the oldest in the Americas and one of the oldest in the world. (3 centuries older than yours)The UK is only responsible for their defense and foreign affairs. They even have their own currencies; the e.g. Bermudan Dollar.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 Might bonker but i think the concensus of colonie goes around the extension of a countrie beyond its border and its close area not if the people of that extended territorie likes UK or not.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran The de-colonisation commitee includes countries such as the tyrannies of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Russia and China. Given China's barbarous record in Tibet and Russia's record in Chechnya they are hardly in a position to complain about the UK's relationship with the British Overseas territories like The Caymen Islands, The British Virgin Islands, and the Falkland Islands (free, prosperous, democratic).
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simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran Simple. Hong Kong was never a Colony. It was leased in a treaty (Treaty of Nanking 1898) from China for a period of 99 years. The UK had no choice but to hand it back to China in 1997. The remaining bit (the island of Victoria) was included in the handover as it would not have been a viable on its own. In other words the UK and the Hong Kong citizens had no choice. Given a choice the people of Hong Kong would have remained British.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks So Hong Kong was never a colony so malvinas is?
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran Hong Kong was leased (rented) from China for 99 years. The Falkland Islands are a self-Governing British Overseas Territory. They are free, liberal, prosperous, financially independant and democratic. If it is a colony than where are the colonised?
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 The colonised? They were kicked out. Still is a colony beacuse is the extension of a countries territory beyonds its border an its close area. They can be all that but they are living in a disputed territory, FACT.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran Thats highly questionable. Nobody was kicked out. The fact that Argentina disputes their sovereignty doesn't make it a colony.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 Already said to you. If this controversy went for so long its obvious that both sides has strong points. My view is to be pragmatical and find a middle point to make the south atlantic a safe zone and a worldwide example of internation coexistence and cooperation. But has to be done together not as an imposition of UKs view on the matter. Has to be a mutual compromise and shown of interest to solve this together.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran Perhaps. Will reply later as it's 3.30am here in London. I bid you a restful evening.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 you too.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran I can only repeat that the UK's position is to support the wishes of the Islanders. The UK cannot negotiate over the heads of the people who actually live on the islands. Since they have their own elected Government Argentina has no choice but to deal directly with them. The Parliament in London would never vote for a deal that is contrary to the wishes of the Falklands Island Government. That's democracy for you.
rupertbrooks0 1 week ago
@rupertbrooks0 Well i was happy to see that not everybody in uk has this point of view. I am aware that was written in some newspaper a more open minded view on the matter. You can do all you want with the islanders wishes but thats not a hard physics law of democracie what you are doing its just a deliberate decision on how to address this controversy.
simeagarran 1 week ago
@simeagarran I think you are referring to an article by Times journalist Simon Winchester. He was comparing the Falklands to the Hong Kong solution. Unfortunately he (oddly for a Times journalist) was unaware that Hong Kong was Leased from China and would have to be handed back in 1997 in any event. He also seemed to ignore the wishes of the islanders who already rejected s similar proposal in 1980.
rupertbrooks0 6 days ago
@rupertbrooks0 Probably yes i think i was talking about him. I also hear a broadcaster, Mr Gallaway. I dont think that a journalist from a major nespaper would be anaware I think he was trying to show that agreement is always posible.
simeagarran 6 days ago