I'm a conservetive my heart. I have some liberalist ideas. But my foundations are conservetive. Humans have a natural ability faint but a natural ability they develope further in growing up. It's right and wrong aka choice.
I will admit that this paints a fairly negative but accurate picture of liberals and conservatives. There have been many studies which back up his claims. But at the end of the day we need both liberals and conservatives to prevent the world from going crazy
What a socialist claptrap this is. Basically a liberal dolt standing on stage insulting the majority of the American people for being conservative and religious. Conservatives are not closed to change. In fact we stand for the liberty that allows people to invent and create. We do not stand for an "enlightened" government that force change on anyone. People like this man and ignorant liberals in general would gladly give up their rights to the state as long as the government is run by them.
I like the talk, but the ending leaves me cold. There is no real recommendation or upshot here. We already know that cooperation requires us to try to understand each other. A more detailed recommendation about how to do this would have been nice.
It's an admirable idea. But from a practical standpoint, when one side says, "We're opposite sides of the same coin and we both have important things to contribute to the conversation and we need to listen to one another" and the other side says, "We have no interest in listening to you because you're a bunch of evil traitors who are trying to destroy everything good about our culture", the first side diminishes and the second side grows and, seeing their success, escalates the rhetoric.
Thumb's up if you're abe to understands contractions, LOL. They are, they're. You are, you're. It's its own dilemma. (chuckle.) Someone please link to the amygdala study already.
No, the irony is that TED is by invitation only - meaning conservatives aren't invited, yet Jonathan Haidt is preaching more openness ... send the invitations and stop shutting us out.
People want to believe that they are morally superior AND superior. We invest our ego in our conclusions. Both Liberals and conservatives loose that when they enter the group mentality in order to in force the superiority that belongs to people of those precepts. Open and closed-mindedness are labels that bring out emotion due to negative moral connotations. But technically speaking conservatives seek comfort from conserving the familiar whilst liberals embrace influence and change from anywher
@thesparitan What makes you think I'm here to argue? Are the comment sections of videos debate forums for you? It wasn't an 'argument'. It was an observation and is not open for discussion or debate. If I wanted a debate, I'd go somewhere else and find someone who was capable of debating; not here where clods like yourself are bored and actually think that other people will value their opinion.
@aivilik Fair enough, you made you point well sir. All thing being equal I don't actually know what clod is. Still I empathize with what you said, and understand why you said.
Have a interesting day, and enjoy yourself out there.
@aivilik Deep - and very revealing - just like your profile! TED videos don't usually attract neanderthal's like you - do you have some evidence for your assessment of the presenter or did you just want to mix with your betters for a few moments? Perhaps it gave you a break from saying "Paper or Plastic" all day.
What I see here, is the neurosciences have accomplished more in the past 50 years in describing the human condition (politics in this case), than thousands of years of study by the humanities. These are truly beautiful revelations.
I love this talk but his conclusion still leaves me with a few questions. What exactly is the advantage that evolution gave us to have these differing & ingrained political beliefs? Why exactly SHOULD we continue to fight for what is 'right' if what is right is psychologically arbitrary? I understand that people's beliefs are pretty much given & hardly developed; but does this knowledge really change anyone's perception about their beliefs other than that they're natural?
Does anyone else think this presentation is pointless? He basically made a bunch of arbitrary traits and somehow calls it a revelation that people hold on to different ones.
It's akin to finding out that people have different scores on a personality test.
@AndroidPolitician The important part, in general, is the fact that people hold these values intrinsically, which is why when "morality" is brought up it's laughable to expect the same standards to apply. Morality isn't a question of logic, it's a question of visceral responses to stimuli, and the fact that different people have different things that lead to those responses (and the fact that major political groups can be tied to different value sets) is pretty noteworthy.
I actually don't think some of the traits are inherent and that the author has a habit of changing them up arbitrarily.
To give an example, recently he added "liberty" in a study of libertarians because suddenly liberty is discovered to be relevant as opposed to the other 5 Really Important Things.
Compare the crime rates in counties that voted for Gore to the ones that went for Bush.
Compare how filthy the ground is after a Liberal rally like Jon Stewart's to a tea-party rally.
Like ultra religious people, libs are faith based thinkers. They want desperately to believe in things that are demonstrably wrong like AGW and communism.
@esnap 1. Liberals don't believe in Communism - while I realize it is much easier to "win" a debate against opponents (in this case "libs") if you fabricate their 'beliefs', the practice exposes you as a dullard. 2. Your point is not better supported simply by using silly phrases like "demonstrably wrong" - where is your evidence? Where are your arguments? Where is your 'proof' that this or that is "wrong" - and what do you mean by "wrong"?
The general difference is that authoritarians view human beings as inherently evil, corrupt, stupid, greedy so people need to be disciplined by dogma and government, and the "disciplined" need to rule over the "non-disciplined" because they can't rule themselves. Libertarians are the opposite and view people as inherently good and able to rule themselves.
What makes people left or right is whether they believe humans are cooperative or competitive.
This is perhaps one of my favorite ted talks along with steven pinker. I love this concept, but I wonder if the five moral foundations are because of genetic disposition as jonathan haidt purpose instead of a product of social construction or surrounding. The moral foundation could be the symptom of being a conservative or liberal instead of conservative or liberal being a symptom of moral foundation.
Very interesting talk. One thing I've often found is that both sides (lib/con) tend to not only automatically disregard the other's points, but also stereotype based on certain issues. For example, I consider myself fairly liberal, but I'm often stereotyped as conservative for my support of gun rights and nuclear power. Then there are the ad hominem attacks, that because another person (or myself) believes in one side of an issue, they are evil/stupid and wrong about everything.
Both liberals and conservatives would benefit from not instantly ruling out the other side, and accepting the fact that both sides have merit (both sides also have problems). If you really want to practice being open-minded, you'll eschew general insults towards groups you don't align with, and focus rather on specific issues, policies, and morals. This is what his talk is about.
This is about as bipartisan and neutral a Liberal/Conservative talk I've ever seen. The man gives points for each, he seeks to pinpoint the differences between two ideologies and even provides multiple disclaimers throughout the talk because he KNOWS people will misconstrue his words.
And yet 90% of the conservative users here STILL call "liberal bullshit" and it's not even a political debate! He uses Lib/Con in a strictly philosophical context, yet the kneejerk reactions here. WTF.
@Strand0410 I noticed that too - I think 'lack of introspection" is a very strong trait in conservatives - thus if you produce scientific evidence that conservatives are X, and they don't like it, they jump for the "lib-tard" default option - If I had the time, I'd research this material, but I find dealing with conservatives in person very disturbing - e.g. "this is liberal bullshit" comments - they're monkeys with computers!
@2001Horatio People are fucking stupid. America is becoming a country of superstitious, belligerent, xenophobic hillbillies. It's not going to change even if the Democrats win the next 10 elections because the Right's paranoia and rhetoric will be even more insane and hate-filled.
Any Americans left with a drop of reason and decency should jump that sinking ship while they can. I wonder how long the country would function if all the liberals conservatives purport to hate, left en masse.
This video is almost childish in how ignorant it is. This man is a true simpleton disguised as an intellectual. Brought up with a psychological barrier. He thinks he is awesome, but this is straight from the playbook, how to create a "I think I'm better than everyone" liberal.
@SarAein1 Your post didn't have a single point that held water, other than ranting on about how he thinks he's superior. Guess what, everyone invited to TED is usually at the apex of their field, are highly intelligent and ambitious.
Goes to show how anti-intellectual the conservative movement is. "Hey guys, let's ignore the content and intent of this speech, but rather simply attack the speaker because he's smart! Derp!"
@Strand0410 That's my point, genius. He is not smart...based on the content of his speech. It is not random. And, yes he does think he is totally awesome/superior. Furthermore, He just does what you assume I'm doing. Attack the other side with no basis. I mean you can't possibly believe...Oh why bother.
Conservatives can't play well with others, they're always trying to fuck up our shit, always tryign to force the world into their specific, narrow mold. Until they can learn to live and let live, until their way of life doesn't include conformity of ALL, they make themselves into the enemy.
Living my own life my own way hurts nobody against their will; if conservatives can't be okay with that...FUCK' EM.
I found this interesting and all but I'm not sure in the end what he's trying to imply. Like conservatives according to this help maintain the balance but he says it as if liberals= anarchists.
@TheEthanwashere It's not anarchy. It's the eternal balance between change and stability and societies need both. Without liberals championing social change, your society will stagnate. Without conservatives holding the fort, your society may implode.
When he uses "destroyer", he means it in the sense that every time there's change, something else must be lost or rendered less significant. This is the crux of conservative paranoia, the imagined erosion of white privelage.
I took the quiz and scored extremely high on Fairness and extremely low on Authority. The more I think about it, a lot of the tenets of the Authority foundation - emphasis on order/structure, deference to powerful leaders or ruling classes, conformity to tradition and orthodoxy - are drastically at odds with Fairness. Conformism is repressive to social misfits. Too much deference is a recipe for absolute corruption. Excessive structure can be a barrier to the pursuit of happiness.
To secure a better future is to stop and realize it will totally depend on the momends we spend instilling our values in our youth and watch them spring as the buds on the trees have and now it spring time in the cosmos with youth having been schooled while eye, retreated in my world of wonder as to how long it take. .and just realize, the enormous wisdom of the collective TedTalk audience who're getting schooled by TT's rivers of Babble On is about to realize the body of wisdom arms the legEnds
@ritter89 and as such, to difficult to decipher for you ? as in having to think ? ah, how upsetting to have some one who dares deviate from the academic path. . . just kept slipping through the cracks
@HamOnCan No, my English professor would roll in his grave if he read that. Brevity is the soul of wit. Your utter disregard of grammatical norms is counter-intuitive, precisely because there's no differentiation between concepts and ideas, thus making it even LESS intelligible. That and yourrampant misspellings. "Babble On" = Babylon?
@Strand0410 eye ought be concerned 'bout what U'r prof thinks? wasn't this talk about how different people view life diffferently? if there is any eye have learned in life, it is about the literate, schooled to proper ENGlish) take offense, are invariably upset with those of us whose missTaken views in their eyes are an ABombINation to all they learned in school. Big Bang on head transported us to LaLaLand wHEre love N laughter ignite the light, while yes, slipping through the cracks. smiles
@2001Horatio what a pity eh? pray tell why did you take us serious nuff to comment yet again. we are still, naturally, distinctively and playfully yours with yes an ABunDance of MISSpelligs to pick and choose from
What an excellent talk, I shall watch more. Also it makes me more positive about the current Liberal & Conservative coalition government we have in the UK :-)
@stewartford00 I wouldn't be, we are in for a kicking. The money they are spending on nuclear weapons and the tax cuts is how so many nations in history have colapsed
The worst idea ever is that humans are born as blank slates!! Yes-- this is the foundation of our failing school system-- hey, children-- sit still while I dump information into your empty little heads. As a child psychologist, I have been terribly discouraged about how many children with great potential are being harmed by the current schools. This is why I lhave fallen in love with Maria Montessori's teachings and the schools that faithfully implement them.
@gtrierweiler It is such a pernicious idea, I agree. And I think its motives are not noble either; I believe it comes from the desire to form the idea "perfect" humans (starting from 'scratch' and building perfection). It's amazing that it has taken so long to recognize the self-evident fact of human nature.
The irony is that most conservatives, by his own definition, are closed to listening to what he has to say. Just look at the lack of conservatives at TED talks.
@iglooville It's more to with humans being social animals! When your media and academia perpetually promote liberal ideas (the conservatives in America are merely centre left liberals), it then cements those ideas into the mainstream, which inevitably leads people to conform. The fact is, if the American media and academia became radically conservative, within a few years time you'd see many more conservatives. My point is that many of those so called liberals are merely conformists.
@csno1 You realise that the US the most conservative developed country in the world, precisely because of its 'born again' population? Media promotes liberal ideas? Fox News.This paranoia in the right that the world is controlled by liberals is laughable. The bulk of the top 2% wealth vote republican, are the ruling class, and being the captains of industry precisely because of conservatives' hard-on for institutions (church, military, corporation)
yes, fox news is right-wing. it is the ONLY right-wing station. the others MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC are hard-line leftists. It is a well known fact that about 85% of media is democrat. it is not disputable. i am nore sure america is the most conservaitve developed country in the world. maybe in the west. do you consider chile, japan, singapore or hong kong part of the developed world? they are certainly more to the right than the u.s. ;
@iglooville The irony is that your comment is an example of how liberals can also be close-minded. Being open-minded doesn't just mean being interested in foreign food or advocating gay rights; it means being able to listen to the "other side" and honestly and objectively evaluate it. When a conversative friend of mine tells me their reasons for being conservative, if I were being open-minded I would fairly evaluate those reasons. Many liberals hear "conservative" and instantly rule them out.
@iglooville The point of this talk is to realize that both sides have fundamental strengths and weaknesses, and our modern society could not have existed without both. It's foolish to criticize either side for being close-minded because both exhibit difficulty seeing the other side's perspective.
Another important thing to keep in mind, is that political and ideological orientation isn't always black and white (or red and blue in this case). The media tends to popularize certain political issues because they are controversial; but every year tens of thousands of policies (some of which affect us far more than the popular ones) are enacted. And one would be astonished to find out how much cross-over there is. It's much more grey than everyone thinks it is.
@iglooville Just because someone identifies him/herself as a liberal doesn't mean they are. A conservative person might say that he/she was liberal to avoid the nuisance of having to deal with a close-minded 'liberal' shmuck who's got it in his head that all conservatives are close-minded.
@westeightyone -You should have said "not all conservatives are close minded" since the majority certainly are. I see conservatives as a group whose motto should be "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts".Of course I'm speaking of the conservative masses and not the pied pipers of these small minded individuals who use them to preserve the status quo.Consider conserves who still defend the Iraq invasion, believe the CRA caused the fin. meltdown etc. etc etc
Pardon the late response. Cons avoid TED for the same reason libs avoid con events. As Haidt explained, the "psychology of teams shuts down open mindedness". Therefore, libs may be more open to new things but they're NOT more open to con ideas b/c it goes against the "team". For years, I've done what Haidt suggests by attending events from the other side. I understand their positions better than they do & have even modified an opinion or two. But not often. Btw, I'm a conservative.
This liberal tried to prove that liberals and conservatives need each other to balance things out in the society. Maybe his argumentation is not very convincing but it's a nice idea in principle. I don't know why so many people are upset with this guy
@tr342s People love the delusion. When your doctor says you have cancer, you don't pummel your doctor. Yet every time someone even mentions the problems in the US, they're tarred, feathered and slandered as being defeatist, unpatriotic and that new buzzword 'socialist.' It keeps them from actually solving problems and actually opening political discourse between parties.
This is just another case of liberals trying to understand and compromise with conservatives when conservatives never try to understand liberals. The result is constant drift of politics to the right.
@lsucowboys99 And yet, when I lived in the US (until recently) I found it disconcertingly conservative - especially the young men! A very disappointing trait in young men.
Extremely interesting video! Makes me think of all the bickering that goes on in the youtube world and the struggle to be right and subordinate those that you don't agree with. Liberals versus conservative is just another good versus evil battle, why do we need to be right or wrong? One thing Haidt seems to omit is the will of the ego and its role in moral authority. All of these struggles essentially come from the will to power and domination! The question is should we submit or struggle?
U wld fall into the category called 'error' (not a derogatory term). Ie, ur somewhat atypical of the pertinent group u identify with, in regard to this issue. Just like the occasional liberal who opposes abortion is statistical 'error'.
Sorry if this comes across as patronising! I don't know how much knowledge you have of psych research. But trust me, Haidt is a very, very intelligent man, who has made some truly groundbreaking findings in Moral/Social Psychology.
There's a statistical issue here, which he assumes the TED audience is aware of. Specifically, when we generalise about something in psych (eg, conservatives are 'closed'), it's understood that not ALL conservatives are closed, but that openness/closedness is a reliable (consistently meaningful) way to distinguish MOST (or at least, a decent proportion of) libs/cons...
I'm conservative but I consider myself open to experiences, travel, open to diversity, welcoming and I have no problem with eating at Applebees. But I also don't have any problem eating at a small french cafe. So what is his point? This guy is an idiot. I'm more worldly than he is.
@dancesilly2 He's not using 'conservative' politically. He uses liberal/conservative as an ideological difference. You may have 'traditional values' but vote Democrat, just as there are plenty of Republicans who are very socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. John McCain is a great example of this.
He's using 'closed' as a relative statement that MOST conservatives are LESS open than MOST liberals in experiencing new things. And looking at the GOP voting base, would you disagree?
seems disingenuous to say 'everybody agrees that harm and fairness matter, moral arguments within cultures are especially about issues of in group authority'.
The tables he presents clearly show almost identical negative gradients on issues of harm and fairness as there are positive gradients on in group authority, except in the middle east, where the data would indicate that conservatives find fairness just as important as liberals.
this guy is a mouthpiece for globalization and new world order. he wants to live like a zombie inside of a hive ruled by a queen, besides being completely gay all of this shit is bad for freedom and bad for economy. this is what we are up against this is where we fight
@TheAntiFascist2010 Really? The guy who gave the benefits of individuality over institutions is a zombie in a hive? "Gay" as a pejorative? What are you, 12? I guess you also think the NWO is run by lizard people working in concept with the NWO and aliens right?
@Strand0410 I have certain viewpoints that change, I'll admit that my original comment was brash, I was going through a bad time then. On the flip-side, corporate America is kind of like a hive if you think about it. Small business are drying up. So I will reduce myself. But not everyone is meant for PHD's and institutionalized behaviors. That is my final thought.
Both the labels of conservative and liberal are contrived. ALL of us share some of these traits described in this vid.... Don't be steered into some party line DIVISION.
Think: If we had a true democracy and all people were represented, we'd have over 5000 parties.
1% of the population is getting what they want out of our govt, and the other 99% are debt slaves while we are DIVIDED by these two elitist contrived parties.
True liberalism is a conservative value. Modern liberalism is a form of socialism. For real liberalism you have to research classical liberalism. Screw the Dalai Lama, he's a deposed dictator.
@beholdfateknocks He believed in some weird form of homemade Germanic Pantheism. He hated christianity because of its pacifism & planned on phasing it out. Since the catholic church was his most outspoken critic, I have to believe that if he never renounced his catholicism it was for propaganda purposes. Not that I'm a fan of the catholic church, what they did in Croatia during WWII is horrifying. In this case though, in Germany, most priests were doing the right thing.
@KenMacMillan No we don't. That you suggest so proves that you don't understand the word, the world, nor history. All three are Conservative ideas with the last two being authoritarian. Liberals abhor authoritarian thinking.
@KenMacMillan What does being a liberal have to do with any of these things. Indeed, communism and Nazism are opposite sides of the same coin of dictatorship, yet you're trying to lay your crimes at the door of an ideology that is inherently opposed to it. Stop using buzzwords and drinking the kool-aid.
at first i though you were just trolling around, but now i only realize the you fail to grasp certain things all along! not to mention YOU explaining anything to anyone! that would require you to understand the subject you would want to explain, and seeing how you have no idea yourself what you're talking about, i can hardly imagine you being more than a politically enganged troll who found in youtube just the right platform to facelessly propagate shit you know nothing about! yay
yeah i'm pretty sure that that someone yelling at others for their political views and trolling around, shouting to kill everyone associated with a certain group, surely represents a person of incredible intelligence and insight into the subject! and maybe, just maybe you should actually try to learn something about politics and social behavior in general before bragging about being on "page 1000" of the subject ... unless you're talking about the bible of course
you seriously and without trolling can say that you never lie? see. that is a technical impossibility for a human, not to lie, unless you consider some neural disfunctions ... but you get the point! does that mean we can kill and to advance that thought must kill you too? and people can be proud as much as they like, so long as they have the capability to correct themselves when in error, that's OK with me! you on the other hand don't sound like the self-reflecting guy anyway to me
Compared to other species, we humans are still in diapers. We are the youngest species on Earth. We are like the teenagers, so prideful over our own existence and so ego-driven thinking that we are above all other species. The cockroach is older then we are and they know how to survive through the hardest of environments.
evil is a human construct, that was created to help people disassociate from a certain action, thing or person they can't/won't understand and tolerate ... PLUS: it is entirely contextual, as you will always find a number of people who will undoubtetly thing that something you perceive as evil, is actually good!
so technically we're talking about what YOU think is bad/evil ...! in what sense is there any more truth to your definition of evil than, say mine?
putting your posts on this and a few other videos in consideration, i'd say you have some serious issues buddy ^_^ why the hate talk? why do you want to kill everyone? and why this constant meandering around left/liberal views?
i dunno if this is entirely true. i am extremely open and this openness has led me to believe in libertarianism (traditional conservatism) and to deplore liberalism
This is what I hate about psychology; constantly creating people who don't exist. If you support a liberal ideology, that is what people will call you. What do people think are NEOCONS? Former liberals who became disgusted, for some reason or other, with liberal policies of the 1960s. They later became identified as RINOs, Republicans in name only. This is all bull
16: 30: "Our righetous minds were designed by Evolution to..."
I agree with all the points in the video, especially the parts on talking an attitude of discussion for many issues instead of seeking to take a stance
But, evolution is not end oriented. It has no goal and it thus cannot design something for a specific purpose...that is not evolution at all...evolution is a process that happens, without an end goal
@unim88 "designed by evolution" is an idiom of speech used to shortcut an explanation of the mechanics of evolution by anthropomorphizing it. It's not typically evidence of a belief that evolution works in any specific direction.
@efaek oh kk i did not know about this idiom, thanks for the reply! i just wanted to make sure people did not get the wrong conception that evolution is an end oriented process...is it fair to call Evolution a stochastic process by the way?
I've always had an enormous amount of animosity towards conservative values, but watching this helps me understand where they're coming from, and was overall one of the only intelligent, fair and neutral discussions I've ever seen on the difference between what we perceive as the two major mindsets. It occurs to me now that when it comes to government and economy, I'm more conservative myself. I'm only liberal socially.
Went to Applebees one time and hated it. Conservatives are close minded and hold society back, Liberals are open minded but can let the wrong ideas flurish, both have their set backs.
It's very simple-minded to think that being "open" translates to greater societal progress, and being scared of change translates to being an obstructionist of progress. The greatest progress actually happens in a conservative framework. Utopian experiments keep society back.
...pretty bold
Eeba3215 5 days ago in playlist Favorite videos
I'm a conservetive my heart. I have some liberalist ideas. But my foundations are conservetive. Humans have a natural ability faint but a natural ability they develope further in growing up. It's right and wrong aka choice.
Aundrich 6 days ago
@Aundrich Please spell conservative right, come on!
MolochJests 4 days ago
I will admit that this paints a fairly negative but accurate picture of liberals and conservatives. There have been many studies which back up his claims. But at the end of the day we need both liberals and conservatives to prevent the world from going crazy
vistarox 1 week ago
@vistarox In 2010 ----20 MILLION--- men, women and children died of starvation.
In the same year "Sex & the City" grossed ----288 MILLION----
Dont you think that is "crazy" enough already?
arhabersham 3 days ago
What a socialist claptrap this is. Basically a liberal dolt standing on stage insulting the majority of the American people for being conservative and religious. Conservatives are not closed to change. In fact we stand for the liberty that allows people to invent and create. We do not stand for an "enlightened" government that force change on anyone. People like this man and ignorant liberals in general would gladly give up their rights to the state as long as the government is run by them.
Obscuros8 1 week ago
Thumbs up if my Liberal is what?
FaLLeNAn9eL 2 weeks ago
In this comments thread: a bunch of liberals trying to make themselves feel better for being inherently flawed.
defcon00000 3 weeks ago
I like the talk, but the ending leaves me cold. There is no real recommendation or upshot here. We already know that cooperation requires us to try to understand each other. A more detailed recommendation about how to do this would have been nice.
tlcambell 1 month ago 3
"WE must be the change we wish to see in the world"- M. Ghandi
ZephyrsSong 1 month ago
@enkelin32
Haidt is not a liberal.
paindivine1 1 month ago
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@paindivine1 "Haidt is not a liberal." do you have a source?
michalchik 1 month ago
five moral values that form the basis of our political choices
HARM/CARE
FAIRNESS
LOYALTY
AUTHORITY
PURITY
Naveed123abc 2 months ago
I wish wish wish wish this guys mouth made less nasty noise when he speaks. Ughhhhh..
rootscientist 2 months ago
It's an admirable idea. But from a practical standpoint, when one side says, "We're opposite sides of the same coin and we both have important things to contribute to the conversation and we need to listen to one another" and the other side says, "We have no interest in listening to you because you're a bunch of evil traitors who are trying to destroy everything good about our culture", the first side diminishes and the second side grows and, seeing their success, escalates the rhetoric.
sterling7 2 months ago 4
So what about us people who are very open minded but think liberal are dumb asses? Where do we rank in your BS value system.
TheWeav70 2 months ago
Only a liberal would say what this man does. Could you see a Televangelist or a Repblican Senator saying this? Not on your life.
enkelin32 2 months ago
@enkelin32 Rand Paul might say something like this.
Madfoot713 1 month ago
Best 19:14 minutes of the day.
waran4 2 months ago 3
He's giving the right a bad name. They just dont want to be destroyed. Stay safe. It's not a bad idea. Why risk someting good to be destroyed?
chrstilen5 3 months ago
@chrstilen5 The difference is: You say don't want it to be destroyed. We think it already IS destroyed.
Sharangir 3 months ago
@Sharangir Then let's fix it up agen. :D Sounds good right?
chrstilen5 3 months ago
Thumb's up if you're abe to understands contractions, LOL. They are, they're. You are, you're. It's its own dilemma. (chuckle.) Someone please link to the amygdala study already.
Motorodhead 3 months ago
No, the irony is that TED is by invitation only - meaning conservatives aren't invited, yet Jonathan Haidt is preaching more openness ... send the invitations and stop shutting us out.
gackcat1 3 months ago
Thumbs up if for one reason or another you thumbs upped that you're a liberal AND a conservative.
rudygetsplenty 3 months ago 6
Thumbs up if your a Liberal
DDTphoenix 3 months ago 25
@DDTphoenix You're making us look bad. (you're, not your)
sgtovey 3 months ago
@DDTphoenix you're
dddddssssssddd 3 weeks ago 3
Thumbs up if your a Conservative
AoDPhoenix 3 months ago
People want to believe that they are morally superior AND superior. We invest our ego in our conclusions. Both Liberals and conservatives loose that when they enter the group mentality in order to in force the superiority that belongs to people of those precepts. Open and closed-mindedness are labels that bring out emotion due to negative moral connotations. But technically speaking conservatives seek comfort from conserving the familiar whilst liberals embrace influence and change from anywher
pimpleburger 4 months ago
Conservatives are close minded, that's something to think about conservative people
DDTphoenix 5 months ago
@DDTphoenix
Wow! You just revealed how close minded you are with that sweeping generalization.
westeightyone 4 months ago
@westeightyone I dident fucking say it, the guy did.
DDTphoenix 4 months ago
@DDTphoenix
You accepted what he said and you quoted it as if it was an indisputable fact.
westeightyone 4 months ago
@westeightyone it is an indisputable fact, most liberals tend to be smarter and more open minded. FACT
DDTphoenix 4 months ago
@DDTphoenix
Judging by the stupidity of your comment you're obviously one of the liberals who isn't.
westeightyone 4 months ago
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This guy is a hack.
aivilik 6 months ago
@aivilik Wow amazing argument.
thesparitan 6 months ago
@thesparitan What makes you think I'm here to argue? Are the comment sections of videos debate forums for you? It wasn't an 'argument'. It was an observation and is not open for discussion or debate. If I wanted a debate, I'd go somewhere else and find someone who was capable of debating; not here where clods like yourself are bored and actually think that other people will value their opinion.
aivilik 6 months ago
@aivilik Fair enough, you made you point well sir. All thing being equal I don't actually know what clod is. Still I empathize with what you said, and understand why you said.
Have a interesting day, and enjoy yourself out there.
thesparitan 6 months ago
@aivilik What an angry little boy you are aiviiiik - wonder why? LOL
2001Horatio 5 months ago
@aivilik Deep - and very revealing - just like your profile! TED videos don't usually attract neanderthal's like you - do you have some evidence for your assessment of the presenter or did you just want to mix with your betters for a few moments? Perhaps it gave you a break from saying "Paper or Plastic" all day.
2001Horatio 5 months ago
What I see here, is the neurosciences have accomplished more in the past 50 years in describing the human condition (politics in this case), than thousands of years of study by the humanities. These are truly beautiful revelations.
Ariccio123 6 months ago
I love this talk but his conclusion still leaves me with a few questions. What exactly is the advantage that evolution gave us to have these differing & ingrained political beliefs? Why exactly SHOULD we continue to fight for what is 'right' if what is right is psychologically arbitrary? I understand that people's beliefs are pretty much given & hardly developed; but does this knowledge really change anyone's perception about their beliefs other than that they're natural?
brettygood 6 months ago
@brettygood great comment, I happen to feel the same way.
thesparitan 6 months ago
Does anyone else think this presentation is pointless? He basically made a bunch of arbitrary traits and somehow calls it a revelation that people hold on to different ones.
It's akin to finding out that people have different scores on a personality test.
AndroidPolitician 6 months ago
@AndroidPolitician The important part, in general, is the fact that people hold these values intrinsically, which is why when "morality" is brought up it's laughable to expect the same standards to apply. Morality isn't a question of logic, it's a question of visceral responses to stimuli, and the fact that different people have different things that lead to those responses (and the fact that major political groups can be tied to different value sets) is pretty noteworthy.
Kirbyoto2098 6 months ago
@Kirbyoto2098
I actually don't think some of the traits are inherent and that the author has a habit of changing them up arbitrarily.
To give an example, recently he added "liberty" in a study of libertarians because suddenly liberty is discovered to be relevant as opposed to the other 5 Really Important Things.
AndroidPolitician 6 months ago
Compare the crime rates in counties that voted for Gore to the ones that went for Bush.
Compare how filthy the ground is after a Liberal rally like Jon Stewart's to a tea-party rally.
Like ultra religious people, libs are faith based thinkers. They want desperately to believe in things that are demonstrably wrong like AGW and communism.
esnap 6 months ago
@esnap
Global warming is so wrong that only 98% of climate scientists believe in it.
AndroidPolitician 6 months ago
@esnap 1. Liberals don't believe in Communism - while I realize it is much easier to "win" a debate against opponents (in this case "libs") if you fabricate their 'beliefs', the practice exposes you as a dullard. 2. Your point is not better supported simply by using silly phrases like "demonstrably wrong" - where is your evidence? Where are your arguments? Where is your 'proof' that this or that is "wrong" - and what do you mean by "wrong"?
2001Horatio 5 months ago
The general difference is that authoritarians view human beings as inherently evil, corrupt, stupid, greedy so people need to be disciplined by dogma and government, and the "disciplined" need to rule over the "non-disciplined" because they can't rule themselves. Libertarians are the opposite and view people as inherently good and able to rule themselves.
What makes people left or right is whether they believe humans are cooperative or competitive.
AndroidPolitician 7 months ago
This is perhaps one of my favorite ted talks along with steven pinker. I love this concept, but I wonder if the five moral foundations are because of genetic disposition as jonathan haidt purpose instead of a product of social construction or surrounding. The moral foundation could be the symptom of being a conservative or liberal instead of conservative or liberal being a symptom of moral foundation.
please help me comprehend :)
deathlogic1 7 months ago
Very interesting talk. One thing I've often found is that both sides (lib/con) tend to not only automatically disregard the other's points, but also stereotype based on certain issues. For example, I consider myself fairly liberal, but I'm often stereotyped as conservative for my support of gun rights and nuclear power. Then there are the ad hominem attacks, that because another person (or myself) believes in one side of an issue, they are evil/stupid and wrong about everything.
CobaltX07 7 months ago
Both liberals and conservatives would benefit from not instantly ruling out the other side, and accepting the fact that both sides have merit (both sides also have problems). If you really want to practice being open-minded, you'll eschew general insults towards groups you don't align with, and focus rather on specific issues, policies, and morals. This is what his talk is about.
ericlechounde 9 months ago 33
This is about as bipartisan and neutral a Liberal/Conservative talk I've ever seen. The man gives points for each, he seeks to pinpoint the differences between two ideologies and even provides multiple disclaimers throughout the talk because he KNOWS people will misconstrue his words.
And yet 90% of the conservative users here STILL call "liberal bullshit" and it's not even a political debate! He uses Lib/Con in a strictly philosophical context, yet the kneejerk reactions here. WTF.
Strand0410 9 months ago
@Strand0410 I noticed that too - I think 'lack of introspection" is a very strong trait in conservatives - thus if you produce scientific evidence that conservatives are X, and they don't like it, they jump for the "lib-tard" default option - If I had the time, I'd research this material, but I find dealing with conservatives in person very disturbing - e.g. "this is liberal bullshit" comments - they're monkeys with computers!
2001Horatio 5 months ago
@2001Horatio People are fucking stupid. America is becoming a country of superstitious, belligerent, xenophobic hillbillies. It's not going to change even if the Democrats win the next 10 elections because the Right's paranoia and rhetoric will be even more insane and hate-filled.
Any Americans left with a drop of reason and decency should jump that sinking ship while they can. I wonder how long the country would function if all the liberals conservatives purport to hate, left en masse.
Strand0410 5 months ago
@Strand0410 True... and there would be a huge shortage of intellectuals and scientists too!
2001Horatio 5 months ago
It's like none of you calling this "liberal bullshit" actually watched the video.
I don't understand how you could say or think that if you'd taken 19 minutes from your day to watch this video without a kneejerk reaction.
Glexarn 9 months ago
liberals are fucking stupid
lrhang 9 months ago
this is liberal bullshit
LoryLandskipper 9 months ago
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JeffPDX1 10 months ago
"islam is the way", as they say...
kalmius7 10 months ago
This video is almost childish in how ignorant it is. This man is a true simpleton disguised as an intellectual. Brought up with a psychological barrier. He thinks he is awesome, but this is straight from the playbook, how to create a "I think I'm better than everyone" liberal.
SarAein1 10 months ago
@SarAein1 liberals are better than everyone =)
MsEmz24 10 months ago
@SarAein1 Your post didn't have a single point that held water, other than ranting on about how he thinks he's superior. Guess what, everyone invited to TED is usually at the apex of their field, are highly intelligent and ambitious.
Goes to show how anti-intellectual the conservative movement is. "Hey guys, let's ignore the content and intent of this speech, but rather simply attack the speaker because he's smart! Derp!"
Strand0410 9 months ago
@Strand0410 That's my point, genius. He is not smart...based on the content of his speech. It is not random. And, yes he does think he is totally awesome/superior. Furthermore, He just does what you assume I'm doing. Attack the other side with no basis. I mean you can't possibly believe...Oh why bother.
SarAein1 9 months ago
I took the test and scored highest on harm, but authority was .3 out of 5 and purity was .0 out of 5. XD
satanicwatermelon 10 months ago
Dumbfuckistan is a real place, I live in it unfortunately =\
planeshaperman 11 months ago 2
The dalai lama is morally humble? He claims he is a GOD ... how is that humble?
ptolemi 11 months ago
@ptolemi He does? Source?
Wollff85 11 months ago
If you want to in your mind live in dumfuckistan, do so at your own discretion without pushing your shit on me, and I'll do the same.
Plasmon19 11 months ago
No, sorry...I can't be on board, here.
Conservatives can't play well with others, they're always trying to fuck up our shit, always tryign to force the world into their specific, narrow mold. Until they can learn to live and let live, until their way of life doesn't include conformity of ALL, they make themselves into the enemy.
Living my own life my own way hurts nobody against their will; if conservatives can't be okay with that...FUCK' EM.
BionicDance 11 months ago
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Yetanotherytuser 11 months ago
I found this interesting and all but I'm not sure in the end what he's trying to imply. Like conservatives according to this help maintain the balance but he says it as if liberals= anarchists.
TheEthanwashere 11 months ago
@TheEthanwashere It's not anarchy. It's the eternal balance between change and stability and societies need both. Without liberals championing social change, your society will stagnate. Without conservatives holding the fort, your society may implode.
When he uses "destroyer", he means it in the sense that every time there's change, something else must be lost or rendered less significant. This is the crux of conservative paranoia, the imagined erosion of white privelage.
Strand0410 9 months ago
@Strand0410 For instance, how would giving gays' rights cause instability? Just finished reading brave new world by the way lol.
TheEthanwashere 9 months ago
I took the quiz and scored extremely high on Fairness and extremely low on Authority. The more I think about it, a lot of the tenets of the Authority foundation - emphasis on order/structure, deference to powerful leaders or ruling classes, conformity to tradition and orthodoxy - are drastically at odds with Fairness. Conformism is repressive to social misfits. Too much deference is a recipe for absolute corruption. Excessive structure can be a barrier to the pursuit of happiness.
KarlBonner1982 11 months ago 2
so it was allright for the us goverment to cause 911 cuz theirs a yin and yang, its normal
ihateslideshows 11 months ago
Rome was build through a slave trade and invasion of other nations!
Mikeofdundee1987 11 months ago
To secure a better future is to stop and realize it will totally depend on the momends we spend instilling our values in our youth and watch them spring as the buds on the trees have and now it spring time in the cosmos with youth having been schooled while eye, retreated in my world of wonder as to how long it take. .and just realize, the enormous wisdom of the collective TedTalk audience who're getting schooled by TT's rivers of Babble On is about to realize the body of wisdom arms the legEnds
HamOnCan 1 year ago
@HamOnCan A period would have been nice. Your "paragraph" consists of a single run on sentence.
ritter89 11 months ago
@ritter89 and as such, to difficult to decipher for you ? as in having to think ? ah, how upsetting to have some one who dares deviate from the academic path. . . just kept slipping through the cracks
HamOnCan 11 months ago
@HamOnCan No, my English professor would roll in his grave if he read that. Brevity is the soul of wit. Your utter disregard of grammatical norms is counter-intuitive, precisely because there's no differentiation between concepts and ideas, thus making it even LESS intelligible. That and yourrampant misspellings. "Babble On" = Babylon?
Strand0410 9 months ago
@Strand0410 eye ought be concerned 'bout what U'r prof thinks? wasn't this talk about how different people view life diffferently? if there is any eye have learned in life, it is about the literate, schooled to proper ENGlish) take offense, are invariably upset with those of us whose missTaken views in their eyes are an ABombINation to all they learned in school. Big Bang on head transported us to LaLaLand wHEre love N laughter ignite the light, while yes, slipping through the cracks. smiles
HamOnCan 9 months ago
@HamOnCan I very much doubt that someone who writes as badly as you do could have done anything else BUT "slip through the cracks" LOL
2001Horatio 5 months ago
@2001Horatio what a pity eh? pray tell why did you take us serious nuff to comment yet again. we are still, naturally, distinctively and playfully yours with yes an ABunDance of MISSpelligs to pick and choose from
HamOnCan 5 months ago
@HamOnCan Yes
2001Horatio 5 months ago
What an excellent talk, I shall watch more. Also it makes me more positive about the current Liberal & Conservative coalition government we have in the UK :-)
stewartford00 1 year ago
@stewartford00 I wouldn't be, we are in for a kicking. The money they are spending on nuclear weapons and the tax cuts is how so many nations in history have colapsed
Mikeofdundee1987 11 months ago
The worst idea ever is that humans are born as blank slates!! Yes-- this is the foundation of our failing school system-- hey, children-- sit still while I dump information into your empty little heads. As a child psychologist, I have been terribly discouraged about how many children with great potential are being harmed by the current schools. This is why I lhave fallen in love with Maria Montessori's teachings and the schools that faithfully implement them.
gtrierweiler 1 year ago 29
It goes something like this
Competitive-Authoritarian - Conservative (Pinochet, Bill O'rielly)
Cooperative-Authoritarian - State socialist (Stalin etc.)
Competitive-Libertarian - "Libertarian" (American meaning) (Ayn Rand, Ron Paul)
Cooperative-Libertarian - Liberal to Liberatrain-Socialist (Chomsky, Nader)
AndroidPolitician 7 months ago
@gtrierweiler It is such a pernicious idea, I agree. And I think its motives are not noble either; I believe it comes from the desire to form the idea "perfect" humans (starting from 'scratch' and building perfection). It's amazing that it has taken so long to recognize the self-evident fact of human nature.
ZachRose88 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I don't think any if you are real.
nycrackhead 1 year ago
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marvy1118 1 year ago
One of the best videos I have seen this year.
bigdaddyfilmmaker 1 year ago
1. Jesusland and Dumbfuckistan lol
2. I can't believe I forgot the words I've even told myself. *Quote TED's theme*
Sombomombo 1 year ago
The irony is that most conservatives, by his own definition, are closed to listening to what he has to say. Just look at the lack of conservatives at TED talks.
iglooville 1 year ago 49
@iglooville It's more to with humans being social animals! When your media and academia perpetually promote liberal ideas (the conservatives in America are merely centre left liberals), it then cements those ideas into the mainstream, which inevitably leads people to conform. The fact is, if the American media and academia became radically conservative, within a few years time you'd see many more conservatives. My point is that many of those so called liberals are merely conformists.
csno1 1 year ago
@csno1 the conservatives in America are merely centre left liberals, are you joking?
Mikeofdundee1987 11 months ago
@Mikeofdundee1987 There are no ideological conservative parties, only parties that are conservative by name.
csno1 11 months ago
@csno1 and you think the pro war, mixed economy desiring a free market party is left of centre?
Mikeofdundee1987 11 months ago
@csno1 The U.S, when compared with other similarly developed countries, is conservative, especially with regards to economic policies.
wangsta25 10 months ago 3
@csno1 You realise that the US the most conservative developed country in the world, precisely because of its 'born again' population? Media promotes liberal ideas? Fox News.This paranoia in the right that the world is controlled by liberals is laughable. The bulk of the top 2% wealth vote republican, are the ruling class, and being the captains of industry precisely because of conservatives' hard-on for institutions (church, military, corporation)
Strand0410 9 months ago
@Strand0410
yes, fox news is right-wing. it is the ONLY right-wing station. the others MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC are hard-line leftists. It is a well known fact that about 85% of media is democrat. it is not disputable. i am nore sure america is the most conservaitve developed country in the world. maybe in the west. do you consider chile, japan, singapore or hong kong part of the developed world? they are certainly more to the right than the u.s. ;
lsucowboys99 5 months ago
@iglooville Not irony, he explained that actually and his whole talk is an attempt to open up the TED audience to "closed" conservatives.
MEpianist 11 months ago
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JeffPDX1 10 months ago
@iglooville The irony is that your comment is an example of how liberals can also be close-minded. Being open-minded doesn't just mean being interested in foreign food or advocating gay rights; it means being able to listen to the "other side" and honestly and objectively evaluate it. When a conversative friend of mine tells me their reasons for being conservative, if I were being open-minded I would fairly evaluate those reasons. Many liberals hear "conservative" and instantly rule them out.
ericlechounde 9 months ago
@iglooville The point of this talk is to realize that both sides have fundamental strengths and weaknesses, and our modern society could not have existed without both. It's foolish to criticize either side for being close-minded because both exhibit difficulty seeing the other side's perspective.
ericlechounde 9 months ago
Another important thing to keep in mind, is that political and ideological orientation isn't always black and white (or red and blue in this case). The media tends to popularize certain political issues because they are controversial; but every year tens of thousands of policies (some of which affect us far more than the popular ones) are enacted. And one would be astonished to find out how much cross-over there is. It's much more grey than everyone thinks it is.
ericlechounde 9 months ago 2
@iglooville Just because someone identifies him/herself as a liberal doesn't mean they are. A conservative person might say that he/she was liberal to avoid the nuisance of having to deal with a close-minded 'liberal' shmuck who's got it in his head that all conservatives are close-minded.
westeightyone 4 months ago 2
@westeightyone -You should have said "not all conservatives are close minded" since the majority certainly are. I see conservatives as a group whose motto should be "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts".Of course I'm speaking of the conservative masses and not the pied pipers of these small minded individuals who use them to preserve the status quo.Consider conserves who still defend the Iraq invasion, believe the CRA caused the fin. meltdown etc. etc etc
urparanoia 1 month ago
@iglooville
Pardon the late response. Cons avoid TED for the same reason libs avoid con events. As Haidt explained, the "psychology of teams shuts down open mindedness". Therefore, libs may be more open to new things but they're NOT more open to con ideas b/c it goes against the "team". For years, I've done what Haidt suggests by attending events from the other side. I understand their positions better than they do & have even modified an opinion or two. But not often. Btw, I'm a conservative.
aphyd23 3 months ago 2
Maybe evolving with a left brain and a right brain has convinced people that there are only two sides.
derman077 1 year ago
This liberal tried to prove that liberals and conservatives need each other to balance things out in the society. Maybe his argumentation is not very convincing but it's a nice idea in principle. I don't know why so many people are upset with this guy
tr342s 1 year ago
@tr342s People love the delusion. When your doctor says you have cancer, you don't pummel your doctor. Yet every time someone even mentions the problems in the US, they're tarred, feathered and slandered as being defeatist, unpatriotic and that new buzzword 'socialist.' It keeps them from actually solving problems and actually opening political discourse between parties.
Strand0410 9 months ago
This is just another case of liberals trying to understand and compromise with conservatives when conservatives never try to understand liberals. The result is constant drift of politics to the right.
zefvor 1 year ago
@zefvor
are you serious? the country has steadily moved to the Left since 1933? is this a joke? please tell me this is a joke!
lsucowboys99 5 months ago
@lsucowboys99 And yet, when I lived in the US (until recently) I found it disconcertingly conservative - especially the young men! A very disappointing trait in young men.
2001Horatio 5 months ago
Extremely interesting video! Makes me think of all the bickering that goes on in the youtube world and the struggle to be right and subordinate those that you don't agree with. Liberals versus conservative is just another good versus evil battle, why do we need to be right or wrong? One thing Haidt seems to omit is the will of the ego and its role in moral authority. All of these struggles essentially come from the will to power and domination! The question is should we submit or struggle?
jemmre 1 year ago
@dancesilly2 (cont.)
U wld fall into the category called 'error' (not a derogatory term). Ie, ur somewhat atypical of the pertinent group u identify with, in regard to this issue. Just like the occasional liberal who opposes abortion is statistical 'error'.
Sorry if this comes across as patronising! I don't know how much knowledge you have of psych research. But trust me, Haidt is a very, very intelligent man, who has made some truly groundbreaking findings in Moral/Social Psychology.
9Simmo 1 year ago
@dancesilly2
There's a statistical issue here, which he assumes the TED audience is aware of. Specifically, when we generalise about something in psych (eg, conservatives are 'closed'), it's understood that not ALL conservatives are closed, but that openness/closedness is a reliable (consistently meaningful) way to distinguish MOST (or at least, a decent proportion of) libs/cons...
9Simmo 1 year ago
I'm conservative but I consider myself open to experiences, travel, open to diversity, welcoming and I have no problem with eating at Applebees. But I also don't have any problem eating at a small french cafe. So what is his point? This guy is an idiot. I'm more worldly than he is.
dancesilly2 1 year ago
@dancesilly2 He's not using 'conservative' politically. He uses liberal/conservative as an ideological difference. You may have 'traditional values' but vote Democrat, just as there are plenty of Republicans who are very socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. John McCain is a great example of this.
He's using 'closed' as a relative statement that MOST conservatives are LESS open than MOST liberals in experiencing new things. And looking at the GOP voting base, would you disagree?
Strand0410 9 months ago
I hate the TED Talks intro music. It is so loud and irritating. Can't they change that?
99xxxxxxxx 1 year ago
This is a well known, intelligent, and respected psychologist giving a good speech.
60 dislikes MUST be coming from "Bill".
maxymyllyon 1 year ago
@King100Joe you seriously need to check yourself into a mental health facility. Get some help. And for petes sake stop watching FOX .
PaineLover 1 year ago
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Yoyothemighty 1 year ago
pretty easy to draw parallels between 'conservative morals' and the nuremberg defense here if you were so inclined.
Yoyothemighty 1 year ago
seems disingenuous to say 'everybody agrees that harm and fairness matter, moral arguments within cultures are especially about issues of in group authority'.
The tables he presents clearly show almost identical negative gradients on issues of harm and fairness as there are positive gradients on in group authority, except in the middle east, where the data would indicate that conservatives find fairness just as important as liberals.
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Yoyothemighty 1 year ago
this man is being used by the Illuminati and we must expose him
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
individuality is infinitely more powerful than connectivity, always will be.
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
this guy is a mouthpiece for globalization and new world order. he wants to live like a zombie inside of a hive ruled by a queen, besides being completely gay all of this shit is bad for freedom and bad for economy. this is what we are up against this is where we fight
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
@TheAntiFascist2010
you're not living in the real world, you're living in a fantasty. wake up
kekemankek 1 year ago
@kekemankek I am living daily in the real world. What exactly would you like me to wake up to mister?
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
@TheAntiFascist2010 Really? The guy who gave the benefits of individuality over institutions is a zombie in a hive? "Gay" as a pejorative? What are you, 12? I guess you also think the NWO is run by lizard people working in concept with the NWO and aliens right?
Strand0410 9 months ago
@Strand0410 what are you? a professor?
TheAntiFascist2010 9 months ago
@TheAntiFascist2010 To someone like you, I might as well be.
Strand0410 9 months ago
@Strand0410 I have certain viewpoints that change, I'll admit that my original comment was brash, I was going through a bad time then. On the flip-side, corporate America is kind of like a hive if you think about it. Small business are drying up. So I will reduce myself. But not everyone is meant for PHD's and institutionalized behaviors. That is my final thought.
TheAntiFascist2010 8 months ago
How could he miss Owning/Sharing as one of the innate moral imprints?
daimonmagus 1 year ago
@daimonmagus Good question.
BeardedBill86 11 months ago
Interesting with a bit of humor.
sunnyld1 1 year ago
Both the labels of conservative and liberal are contrived. ALL of us share some of these traits described in this vid.... Don't be steered into some party line DIVISION.
Think: If we had a true democracy and all people were represented, we'd have over 5000 parties.
1% of the population is getting what they want out of our govt, and the other 99% are debt slaves while we are DIVIDED by these two elitist contrived parties.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
True liberalism is a conservative value. Modern liberalism is a form of socialism. For real liberalism you have to research classical liberalism. Screw the Dalai Lama, he's a deposed dictator.
KenMacMillan 1 year ago
@KenMacMillan Fucking idiot. You went straight to Godwin's didn't you.
Strand0410 9 months ago
@Strand0410 What are you talking about?
KenMacMillan 9 months ago
When liberals call people stupid for being religious they need to explain eugenics, communism, & nazism.
KenMacMillan 1 year ago
@KenMacMillan your an idiot
moss824 1 year ago
@moss824 care to explain eugenics, communism, & nazism?
KenMacMillan 1 year ago
@KenMacMillan I'm not gonna argue on youtube with an idiot
moss824 1 year ago
@KenMacMillan you are aware that hitler was a roman catholic right?
beholdfateknocks 1 year ago
@beholdfateknocks He believed in some weird form of homemade Germanic Pantheism. He hated christianity because of its pacifism & planned on phasing it out. Since the catholic church was his most outspoken critic, I have to believe that if he never renounced his catholicism it was for propaganda purposes. Not that I'm a fan of the catholic church, what they did in Croatia during WWII is horrifying. In this case though, in Germany, most priests were doing the right thing.
KenMacMillan 1 year ago
@KenMacMillan No we don't. That you suggest so proves that you don't understand the word, the world, nor history. All three are Conservative ideas with the last two being authoritarian. Liberals abhor authoritarian thinking.
apostate001 1 year ago
@KenMacMillan What does being a liberal have to do with any of these things. Indeed, communism and Nazism are opposite sides of the same coin of dictatorship, yet you're trying to lay your crimes at the door of an ideology that is inherently opposed to it. Stop using buzzwords and drinking the kool-aid.
Strand0410 9 months ago
@King100Joe
are you by any chance a bible-belt religious nut?
Medhiv83 1 year ago
@King100Joe
at first i though you were just trolling around, but now i only realize the you fail to grasp certain things all along! not to mention YOU explaining anything to anyone! that would require you to understand the subject you would want to explain, and seeing how you have no idea yourself what you're talking about, i can hardly imagine you being more than a politically enganged troll who found in youtube just the right platform to facelessly propagate shit you know nothing about! yay
Medhiv83 1 year ago
@Medhiv83
yeah i'm pretty sure that that someone yelling at others for their political views and trolling around, shouting to kill everyone associated with a certain group, surely represents a person of incredible intelligence and insight into the subject! and maybe, just maybe you should actually try to learn something about politics and social behavior in general before bragging about being on "page 1000" of the subject ... unless you're talking about the bible of course
Medhiv83 1 year ago
@King100Joe
you seriously and without trolling can say that you never lie? see. that is a technical impossibility for a human, not to lie, unless you consider some neural disfunctions ... but you get the point! does that mean we can kill and to advance that thought must kill you too? and people can be proud as much as they like, so long as they have the capability to correct themselves when in error, that's OK with me! you on the other hand don't sound like the self-reflecting guy anyway to me
Medhiv83 1 year ago
Compared to other species, we humans are still in diapers. We are the youngest species on Earth. We are like the teenagers, so prideful over our own existence and so ego-driven thinking that we are above all other species. The cockroach is older then we are and they know how to survive through the hardest of environments.
AstroMen2911 1 year ago
@King100Joe
evil is a human construct, that was created to help people disassociate from a certain action, thing or person they can't/won't understand and tolerate ... PLUS: it is entirely contextual, as you will always find a number of people who will undoubtetly thing that something you perceive as evil, is actually good!
so technically we're talking about what YOU think is bad/evil ...! in what sense is there any more truth to your definition of evil than, say mine?
Medhiv83 1 year ago
@King100Joe
putting your posts on this and a few other videos in consideration, i'd say you have some serious issues buddy ^_^ why the hate talk? why do you want to kill everyone? and why this constant meandering around left/liberal views?
Medhiv83 1 year ago
i dunno if this is entirely true. i am extremely open and this openness has led me to believe in libertarianism (traditional conservatism) and to deplore liberalism
caq9461 1 year ago
@King100Joe Start by killing yourself, you rambling imbicile.
avatarmn 1 year ago
This is what I hate about psychology; constantly creating people who don't exist. If you support a liberal ideology, that is what people will call you. What do people think are NEOCONS? Former liberals who became disgusted, for some reason or other, with liberal policies of the 1960s. They later became identified as RINOs, Republicans in name only. This is all bull
motelcalifornia 1 year ago
16: 30: "Our righetous minds were designed by Evolution to..."
I agree with all the points in the video, especially the parts on talking an attitude of discussion for many issues instead of seeking to take a stance
But, evolution is not end oriented. It has no goal and it thus cannot design something for a specific purpose...that is not evolution at all...evolution is a process that happens, without an end goal
unim88 1 year ago 2
@unim88 "designed by evolution" is an idiom of speech used to shortcut an explanation of the mechanics of evolution by anthropomorphizing it. It's not typically evidence of a belief that evolution works in any specific direction.
efaek 1 year ago
@efaek oh kk i did not know about this idiom, thanks for the reply! i just wanted to make sure people did not get the wrong conception that evolution is an end oriented process...is it fair to call Evolution a stochastic process by the way?
unim88 1 year ago
I've always had an enormous amount of animosity towards conservative values, but watching this helps me understand where they're coming from, and was overall one of the only intelligent, fair and neutral discussions I've ever seen on the difference between what we perceive as the two major mindsets. It occurs to me now that when it comes to government and economy, I'm more conservative myself. I'm only liberal socially.
Scythemantis 1 year ago
Went to Applebees one time and hated it. Conservatives are close minded and hold society back, Liberals are open minded but can let the wrong ideas flurish, both have their set backs.
HybridD91 1 year ago
It's very simple-minded to think that being "open" translates to greater societal progress, and being scared of change translates to being an obstructionist of progress. The greatest progress actually happens in a conservative framework. Utopian experiments keep society back.
CIAagent11 1 year ago