The German boats HAD to go deeper because they were all being depth-charged to hell and back by British and American escorts. The German Uboat fleet suffered terrible losses.
While the American boats couldn't dive as deep, they could go as far, and had better systems - especially the TDC - and habitibility than any German U-boat. Only the torpedoes let the American skippers down for the first couple of years, the Mk14 torpedo had major faults with its detonator, but that was fixed by '43.
The US submarine force did not have far better systems at all. All winning nations copied German uboat technollogy after the war, like the snorkel and the streamlined shape. The American TDC was perhaps more "advanced" but ask yourself; why did the Americans have to fire all their torpedoes at one ship, while the Germans invented the motto: "one shot one kill"?
Well, the Americans did not have to fire ALL their torpedoes carried at one ship but all six front tubes just to be sure :)
The US fleet boats are good at their stuff and the German uboats are good at their stuff. A totally different theater. I love both the German and the US submarines :)
As stated in the first post, the reliability of American torpedoes was poor, a problem that wasn't properly addressed by BuOrd until 1943. Read about it.
Initially, American skippers were experiencing up to 80%, and at times even 100% failure rates with the Mk-14 torpedo. Torps either floundered, circled, ran too deep, exploded early, or were duds.
Skippers compensated for this by firing a full spread (4 torps for the S class and pre-modified Propoises, 6 for the later boats.)
The Germans had torpedo issues too at the beginning of the war. I think the US TDC, bathythermograph, and gyrocompas technology were superior at least when comparing the Balao to the Type VII.
@drummer78 The Germans had torpedo issues but most of them were fixed in the middle of 1940. The US had torpedo issues until middle 1943. Their first electrical torpedo was a British copy from the German G7e. It made it possible for them to sink huge amount of Japanese shipping. The Japanese was never any good at anti submarine warfare. Last, the Germans had a far better hit rating than US subs. When it comes to the bathythermograph, I agree with you.
its nice but think... these submarines were capable to go 130-200 meters deep max... nazi submarines could go 250-300 (depending in the class of sub)... nazi submarines were 10 times better, besides the crew was more experimented
WOW, I'm impressed treetop64, vey good info
mibayaua 1 year ago
The German boats HAD to go deeper because they were all being depth-charged to hell and back by British and American escorts. The German Uboat fleet suffered terrible losses.
While the American boats couldn't dive as deep, they could go as far, and had better systems - especially the TDC - and habitibility than any German U-boat. Only the torpedoes let the American skippers down for the first couple of years, the Mk14 torpedo had major faults with its detonator, but that was fixed by '43.
Treetop64 1 year ago
The US submarine force did not have far better systems at all. All winning nations copied German uboat technollogy after the war, like the snorkel and the streamlined shape. The American TDC was perhaps more "advanced" but ask yourself; why did the Americans have to fire all their torpedoes at one ship, while the Germans invented the motto: "one shot one kill"?
Watchyourselvez 1 year ago
Well, the Americans did not have to fire ALL their torpedoes carried at one ship but all six front tubes just to be sure :)
The US fleet boats are good at their stuff and the German uboats are good at their stuff. A totally different theater. I love both the German and the US submarines :)
Watchyourselvez 1 year ago
As stated in the first post, the reliability of American torpedoes was poor, a problem that wasn't properly addressed by BuOrd until 1943. Read about it.
Initially, American skippers were experiencing up to 80%, and at times even 100% failure rates with the Mk-14 torpedo. Torps either floundered, circled, ran too deep, exploded early, or were duds.
Skippers compensated for this by firing a full spread (4 torps for the S class and pre-modified Propoises, 6 for the later boats.)
Treetop64 1 year ago
@Watchyourselvez
Snorkel was dutch invention what germans copied.
"Americans have to fire all their torpedoes at one ship,"
Not true.
MokomaSusi 1 year ago
@MokomaSusi Snorkel was a dutch invention perfected by the Germans. Why do you think the allies and soviets copied German snorkel technology?
Watchyourselvez 1 year ago
The Germans had torpedo issues too at the beginning of the war. I think the US TDC, bathythermograph, and gyrocompas technology were superior at least when comparing the Balao to the Type VII.
drummer78 1 year ago
@drummer78 The Germans had torpedo issues but most of them were fixed in the middle of 1940. The US had torpedo issues until middle 1943. Their first electrical torpedo was a British copy from the German G7e. It made it possible for them to sink huge amount of Japanese shipping. The Japanese was never any good at anti submarine warfare. Last, the Germans had a far better hit rating than US subs. When it comes to the bathythermograph, I agree with you.
Watchyourselvez 1 year ago
its nice but think... these submarines were capable to go 130-200 meters deep max... nazi submarines could go 250-300 (depending in the class of sub)... nazi submarines were 10 times better, besides the crew was more experimented
santicapo10 2 years ago
I think it is a BALAO or GATO class.
MassachusettsMollusk 2 years ago
uss pampanito (ss-838) bilbao class fleet submarine keel was laid down on 15 march 1943 she earned six BATTLE STARS for WW II service
alexflap 2 years ago
Looks like the Porpoise-class
Cognovit 2 years ago
Any idea what class the submarine is
EnigmaNZ1 2 years ago
good vid wouldnt get me on this tin can
statment777 4 years ago