Biber - Rosary Sonata #1: The Annunciation

[tsunamiplayer3]

this is so hard to play well so credit to the musician

[jiimbow]

what a mystery that biber isnt as known as bach a true titanic genius ..the absolute state of the art of violin composition.. this music nothing but the voice of god himself talking to biber

[sszorin]

please list the names of principal artists when posting a piece of music.

[TheArthuralves]

Who is playing this? Whom else is a great musician, in fact great musicians, For this is very well played. I didn´t know this, Magnificent music by Biber.

[zoroas7]

metafisica

[berCarBel]

@zoroas7 ?????????????

[classic01101238]

wow!...que final... me encanta esta sonata pero ese final me deja una sensación de no se que

[Death2Green]

Beautiful piece.

[DAKPLAT]

sencillamente maravilloso

[IraMikhaylova]

Сердце вылетает из груди и порхает в небе!

My heart flyes out from body and dissolves in heaven

[NihilNominis]

Played organ continuo on this to-day with a friend. Just a marvellous piece, and a joy to play.

I don't know what else to say...I love this stuff.

[voxhunden]

The baroque was surely on of the most fruitful periods in Eu in terms of music. Great composer, Herr Von Biber.

[MyZenzero]

Semplicemente meraviglioso!

[AuldViolin]

Didn't Biber and also Tartini influence Bach?

[usafwings09]

With regards to Bach's Six Sonatas and Partitas, J.P. v. Westhoff influenced Bach greatly. They closely worked together.

[DAKPLAT]

yes of course

[AlteZakhen]

well, personally i have much respect for biber, but in my opinion bach is the pinnacle of creation, he has the most perfect combination of mind and spirit.

[HARMONICO101]

I personally believe that Bach is perhaps the greatest composer of all time, however I do not view him as mountain above a flat plane. Bach is everest and the other great composers are his Himayalan brethren.

I feel that generally speaking, Bach is a perfect combination of melody and counterpoint. However, I don't think everything he wrote achieves this delicate balance, and therefore he is not my favorite composer.

[mavericklebia]

the fact is that bach is OFTEN tedious because his music is mechanical, and people that do not think so it's because they were indoctrinated to think differently.bach is not a composer, he is an engineer. when music becomes too intellectual, it stops to be music and becames a mind game.music should not (only) be understood by mind,but felt by body.maybe biber is less than bach, but try to compare bach to buxtehude.. only ignorant people could say that bach is clearly better.

[mavericklebia]

maybe bach has more complex counterpoint, but buxtehude has better melody. for each quality you can find in bach works, you can find another (maybe different) in buxtehude.he does not sound tedious at all, in my opinion. and buxtehude comes first, chronologically, so bach could have learned something from bux (it seem so), but the viceversa is impossible.

[HARMONICO101]

"but buxtehude has better melody."

I don't agree. There are maybe a couple of buxtehude melodies I can sing from melody. As for Bach, I can remember and hum a huge selection of his pieces. And I have listened to alot of Buxtehude.

[mavericklebia]

I can accept the idea that bach and buxtehude are different and not comparable, but I really can't accept that someone say there is a big gap between the two. I find the idea of comparing the composers to say which is the best very idiotic: who said that more complex is better? psychoacustics studies proved that bach was wrong, history proved that bach was wrong,

[mavericklebia]

since most of the people can't appreciate more than two voices that plays together. counterpoint is a great intellectual device,but people can't appreciate it over a certain limit. it's a bandwidth problem.. that's why the 8 voices reinassance music reduced to 2 indipendent voices in the classical era and to 1 in romantic era (and popular music also).

[mavericklebia]

and what about zelenka? zelenka has great melody and he's a countepoint genius.. so why zelenka is considered less than bach?! what zelenka has less than bach, in terms of tecnique?! sometimes I think that the genius of bach is a common OPINION, not a FACT, because most of the people can't explain what bach has more than other composers.

[AlteZakhen]

it clearly shows you are projecting some personal issues with music on bach here. if you cant feel bach, if you cant enjoy more than two voices at once, and cant understand the value in counterpoint... if you think zelenka or buxtehude have better melodies than bach (rising and falling scalles are mellodies?!), and if you are this passionate about it to write 5 replies about it, then my friend, you have a real musical problem.

bach is the best imo. and i heard em all.

[mavericklebia]

on what basis you say that bach is better? it is your opinion. where are the facts? on what basis you can say bach is better? complexity? no, because it's proven that people can't receive more that a certain quantity of information per time.

[mavericklebia]

putting too much complexity in music means you know anything about music. there are many psychoacustics studies who tell you what ears can collect or not . please read them.

so, what basis? I really would like to know ..

You CAN'T prove bach is better, as I can't prove it is buxtehude biber or my ass.

[AlteZakhen]

go study music dear chap, and by the way,

look at my post it clearly sais "imo" which means in my opinion.

[mavericklebia]

go study psychoacustics!

[mavericklebia]

music is not a science: psychoacustics is. the latter's theories are objective, the former's not.

so, before suggesting other people to go study music, is better you understand that music theories and musical analysis based on them are only goofy and cultural dependant attempts to approximate what psychoacoustics directly tells you. this means that half of the analist's essays is GARBAGE (as some smart people can tell by the fact many of them are contradictory).

[HARMONICO101]

"music is not a science"

My conversation with you ends here. You are clearly talking out of your ass. To make a statement like that clearly means that you don't have any real knowledge of music, and your other statements show that you have only a single, narrow perspective of Bach, which is from one psychoacustic study.

[HARMONICO101]

Besides, the emotions Bach stirs in me are unique to him and no matter what you say about him being crappy or tedious means nothing in comparison. I know what I feel. You do not. I think the vast majority of classical musicians would agree with me.

[mavericklebia]

if you are saying you like bach the most, it's OK.

IMHO opinions are OK. but facts are another thing.

you were saying that bach is CLEARLY the best. this is cr*p.

[HARMONICO101]

"because it's proven that people can't receive more that a certain quantity of information per time."

Even if that is true, has does that degradate the complexity of Bach's music?

[HARMONICO101]

"psychoacustics studies proved that bach was wrong, history proved that bach was wrong"

In what way?

Again, you can't just ignore the musical legacy left by Bach.

[HARMONICO101]

I never said I found him OFTEN tedious. I often find his music a most rewarding musical experiance.

[AlteZakhen]

so i gather you have not....

[HARMONICO101]

I have not tried writing it becuase I personally have no creative ability in music composition. I have studied it though to a certain degree.

[AlteZakhen]

have you ever tried to write some counterpoint?

[HARMONICO101]

Ah, so, without counterpoint, music is meaningless, empty and frivolous.

The curse of the pseudo-intellectual! It is easy to see counterpuntal genius on a musical score, especially those who actually know nothing about it, but not so the sublime melody, the purest and most evocative form of music, composition of which requires nothing but pure creativety. This is, therefore, the root of true musical genius.

[mavericklebia]

are you both deaf? the counterpoint is implied by violin melodies.. I'm tired of hearing that cr*p about how bach is big.. bach maybe it's a counterpoint genius etc etc, but many of his works are not able to communicate a single emotion. how can you compare the cr*ppy partita for violin solo to mystery sonatas?

someone should teach you the difference between emotion and technique, the same problem some people who listen to rock music.

[HARMONICO101]

"how can you compare the cr*ppy partita for violin solo to mystery sonatas"

Which one? Have you ever played them? Have you ever looked at the manuscript facsimile? Do you even play violin? Have you studied music theory, composition, of history?

[HARMONICO101]

The sonatas and partitas are by no means crappy. The Ciaconna, a movement that contains nearly all the violin techniques of the period and remains one of the most challenging pieces technically and musically in the entire repertoire, is not "crappy".

[AlteZakhen]

I can appreciate and understand it, but it dwarfs when compared to bach. i'm sorry to say that...

[HARMONICO101]

Why?

[pelumli]

ME ENCANTA

[OnAMushkin73]

The Mystery Sonatas, for me, are perhaps the pinnacle of Baroque music. They have (once again, in my opinion) the most emotion of any Baroque composition, with a surprising complexity that rivals Bach. And who doesn't love scordatura tuning?!?!

[AlteZakhen]

rivals Bach ?!

you make me laugh.

personally i find the music very frilly and rather dull in substance.

[HARMONICO101]

Not everyone has the capacity to understand or appreciate music this sublime.

[PeriodinstrumentfaN]

Manze's version is introspective ... meditative ... :>

[HARMONICO101]

Indeed. In the liner notes, Manze specifically says that he wanted a to create a more introspective interpretation, which is why they decided to keep the continuo to one and sometimes two instruments.

[PeriodinstrumentfaN]

Yes indeed. Only one extra continuo with Miss McGillivray and her baroque cello in the Ascension's intrada... :>

[PeriodinstrumentfaN]

...intimate i say...

[Bruxellensis]

Where is a Biber.. there is allways a Ron. :)

[PeriodinstrumentfaN]

Hello Bruxellensis ... tis d first tym a got a comment from u ... :>

Happy Holidays !!! :>