@aetherix01 Here's a suggestion to make your idea practical. Fire a ball passed one magnet such that it bends and hits a turbine. Just one magnet, no circular path. The energy gained could be used to reload and fire again. Here's a question, does the ball actually speed up after passing a magnet? Have you checked this is the real world? A simple way would be to get a video camera and record a ball bearing rolling passed a magnet.
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just one problem with the design. we will use the space ship example: when a space ship passes near a planet it trajectory is changed yes but that is looking at a single point in space, if we use a real planet or in the case of your design a circle the space ship also get closer to the planet. the process continues untill the space ship either crashes into the planet or is launched out of orbit. in the case of your design the ball hits a magnet and stops or just goes flying.
I assume this idiot means "in magnetic fields." The answer is "Yes and no." Magnetic fields are static forces, and thus do not contain any energy. One can use magnetic fields to impart one form of energy from one system to another system with the same or different form of energy. For a magnetic field to perform work, a source of energy must also be added.
The simple experiment is wrong because "In the same way a space ship speed increase when passes near a planet" is wrong. A space ship only picks up kinetic energy by robbing the moving planet of an equivalent (tiny) amount. Since his magnet isn't moving the ball bearing wont gain any energy.
I thought of this idea before but it doesn't work. Magnets have a field surronding them, this would make it impossible for the ball to rotate around the magnet though. Sorry but free energy doesn't exist...
This is impossible as the ball passes by one magnet, try to leave its field but will not be able to at a certain point as it gets stuck between any of the two magnets.
first tell me..how this kinda shit is ossible....when the velocity is implies in forward direction it will attract the ball bearing its wont.... followa constant radius path
Wrong! very WRong..afirmaton:"the ball bering passes near magnet [..] ,and it speed increase to.." is false and is refer to annother tipe of movemnt..without friction.
Lol, he's got the wrong idea of magnets having energy. Einstein did indeed say matter has energy E=MC², This means that the metal that makes up the magnet can be converted into energy. Proven when they split the atom, evident when an nuclear bomb is detonated. As for the magnetism being a source of energy, that is not true. This guy needs to do some serious research and educate himself over the differences of what he's trying to say.
You are aware that turning the generator imposes a force against the direction of movement of the ball, right? You are aware that, for most intensive purposes, there's little difference between placing a permanent magnet on a table and building a little hill, right? Permanent magnets only really create potential energy, much like gravity. If the magnets are indeed providing some sort of force driving the ball, there must exist some theoretical bottom of the hill.
What makes you think the ball can roll around that, without losing energy? You even propose that it will gain energy, since it also has to release energy to the blade and still keep going. You're nuts.
The myth about free energy.. Energy is in the need of "fuel" for it to be energy, fuel is something that energy consumes.. if fuel runs out, energy = zero.. Energy is ALWAYS in the need of the base of fuel... If theres no fuel, theres no energy and you cant produce energy out of absolute nothingness..
@Decnet01 where im at is all matter has energy(unless its dark matter). there has to be a way we can keep ripping it from some where it naturally and easily can replenish or re use over and over for it cant be destroyed. i was looking at magnets but it seems to be a good idea with no water held.
This is dumb. You fail to understand that each magnet would need to be stronger then the last. Cant be done since its a circle. at it's core you are proposing a ramp that will always spiral downwards. Just like the computer graphic this is only possible as an illusion.
If this was true, the Earth would be continually accelerating as it orbits the sun. Because you have shaped it into a circle, this means that it doesn't actually have a change in speed, the magnets change it's velocity. A key part about spaceships accelerating or retarding is that they go around the planet, not just pass it.
Your question already supposes that the ball bearing somehow "gets" or "retains" limitless energy which it doesn't. Congratulations you have illustrated "circular reasoning" fallacy.
If you want to get a bit more complicated imagine that your logic is the ball bearing moving through a closed path, which is why the integral force of your reasoning, fails to produce output above zero, & the ball bearing (your logic) eventually rests tied to the false premise (or 1 of the magnets for illustration).
If the magnet travels past the magnet, it will have a highest speed if the ball is at the nearest point to the magnet, and then the speed will decrease again by the magnetic force, until it's at the same speed as it was at the start. The energy that it got by approaching the magnet, gets lost again by moving away from the magnet, so net energy = 0
@TomWesstein2 lol you just shot you own foot there :) if there WAS friction you d get "free energy" in form of temperature. the entire concept is bullshit anyways... why would the ball move passt the mill and not slow down from it. the magnets are not pushing it along.
although friction is not taken into account in this prsentation, she be a harsh mistress, slowing the ball at every oppertunity with her friend wind resistance. although these may be neglagable, they still exist. and thats why we dont have free energy.
why everybody think they get free energy from magnets, magnets need to be magnetized first whit some amount of energy and will eventually fade off in power after constant use in few years, and you need to buy them in one way or another
The ball will revolve around the magnets, like the earth revolves around the sun. this much is true.
however;
each time the ball hits the blade it will decrease in velocity, which it will not gain from the magnets - if it would, that would mean the ball would speed up indefinetly if the blade were not there.
it's like throwing a rock infront of the earth: when they collide, the earth WILL change its trajectory, even if infinitesimally little. perpetuality turns this into a full stop.
the problem with magnets is that magnets loose there magnetism over time, plus more energy is needed to create the magnets in the first place that outweighs the energy it outputs
@Jamac007 Actually that's not the problem. The problem is that while magnetic fields can store energy, the fields themselves are not a source of energy.
Take a car, put a metal plate on the front, and then put a crane on top of the car which hangs and magnet on the front that pulls the car. By your hypothesis it should work.
see laws of magnetism for how magnets work not relativity unless u have anti matter and a can shoot materials at the speed of light upon destruction through fission x amt of joules is released based on the atomic number of the 1kg or what ever has .111 so 90,000,000,000,000,000 joules max energy can be harvest in different ways relativity is huge in what is it but can be simplified to nuking(causing fission) what ever it is u are nuking
The existing comments cover your flaws adequately, but I think your description deserves some criticism (in the lightest of terms). Any object with mass m does indeed have a rest energy given by E=mc^2, and yes magnets have a rest energy proportional to their mass, just like everything else in the universe, but using the rest mass of an object for energy is the function behind fusion bombs, not magnets, in order to use this energy, mass must be annihilated, which has nothing to do with magnetism
indeed we are trying to use rest mass for energy production, but this involves sustaining and containing fusion reactions of hydrogen, basically what's going on in the sun, and we're not nearly there yet. Unless you happen to have a stockpile of antimatter sitting around somewhere, annihilation isn't trivial, and the presence of a magnetic field on your matter to be annihilated is inconsequential.
This is basic physics: magnets can change the direction of an object passing through it's field (flux), not speed. If you're referring to the "slingshot" maneuver from Armageddon, the implication was that the shuttle went from a high orbit of the moon, to a low orbit. Our B field equations show an inverse relationship to the radius (just like our G field equations), but if the radius does not change then the ball will not increase in velocity, and thus you will not get extra energy.
Needless to say, there is stored energy inside of magnets. Ok, that is a simple answer. Except you then have to then understand that energy from magnets are put there, either by way of electricity(manmade) or bigboom(nature made). If you want another variation of energy from nature(bigboom) then look up at the sun and marvel at your blindness...
@Shadowkuta speed will only increase as radius decreases, which will only happen (in an ideal set-up) with friction present or an kinetic energy drain via the generator, the prior of which is assumed negligible. Still, this idea is so dumb I could cry.
@eddieyu80 ...field of any kind will give you a net gain. it doesnt even matter if there are several "static" fields moving relative to eachother, the result is the same. thousands of rearrangements of magnets and bearings and bells and whistles will not change that fact.
@eddieyu80 as do I...specifically Aerospace engineering at embry-riddle univ and cal poly slo. That said- such an education does not guarantee intelligence as there are many who can regurgitate well enough to pass a test yet fail to grasp foundational principles well enough to make any application very far beyond the "example problems". if you had said "non-static" in place of "non-uniform" you may have been onto something (think electric motor). Unfortunately, no closed path around a static...
ever heard of "conservative force"? like gravity, or magnetic force fields. it means that the integral of the force*motion through any closed path equals ZERO. and that integral is the energy produced by the field... im sorry but it can not be anything but ZERO. no free energy. just as you cant get energy from gravity.
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@BiggerThinking1 Tidal is not the effect of "the energy" of the gravity. Just the force of it.
The energy itself is the kinetic energy of the moon, and yes it decreases as the mass of water of the oceans move (thereby absorbing energy), and yes it has a effect: the moon is getting further away from the earth...
Why it can not be noticed with naked eye is because the kinetic energy of the moon is incredibly huge, even compared to the energy transfered to the earth through gravitational force.
@antipoti Well there's also nuclear power plants which reduce mass in exchange for energy. But those aren't bombs, they're just glorified steam engines using nuclear piles instead of hot coals.
But otherwise you're absolutely right. And what's always amused me is that the number which represents the amount of energy you can get out of magnets in a closed loop is shaped like a closed loop... 0 is so poetic...
Is mass not "reduced" in Uranium by adding electrons or stripping protons in order to "enrich" it? My understanding of physics is admittedly limited but isn't all energy pre-existing & therefore potentially interchangable?
The only way the marble could gain any kinetic energy from the magnets is if it moved closer to them. If it were to maintain a stable orbit however, (like in the animation) then no energy would be gained. If you take out friction what you have here is a perpetual motion machine, not an overunity machine.
This won't work with permanent magnets, only electromagnets with alternating polarity. Therefore the energy is not "in the magnets", the magnets are simply transforming electrical energy into kinetic.
I don't know if anyone pointed this out, BUT you are not considering the slowing effect as the ball leaves the vicinity of one magnet. In effect, the energy gained by entering the magnetic field is lost as it leaves, regardless of whether or not there is another field nearby.
You're using a finite ammount of energy, and you're transforming it to use it on something else (powering your lightbulb or whatever).But you're loosing energy through heat (friction causes heat), sound etc.And as a common law of physics energy can only be transformed.So youre spending more energy than actually gaining on the light bulb.So your system doesn't work as free energy.
if you dont consider friction, perpetual motion is possible. The speed gained by the pull of the magnet is less than the friction between the table and the ball.
@Slierm there are other forces besides friction to stop perpetual motion, but even if you did achieve perpetual motion it could only mean 100% energy conversion efficiency. Not free energy.
@mattymuck no, i was indirectly implying no loss of energy, or as you said it "100% energy conversion". But thanks for the help, i always love an experts opinion...
Indeed it would if the magnets are permanent, to avoid this you need to use electromagnets powered by an alternating current. Because you need to power the magnets, you could never get over or even near 100% efficiency with this.
@sypher113 yes uou cannot go over 100% but like an car engine where 40 of the energie is covertet in to heat we need technolegy that converts the hole 100 in to 100 . en most scientist say that a self powerd machien cannot excisist with 110% i think there wrong because we can make use of energie like grafity magnetisme geothermal
The practical problems with making something truly 100% efficient make if effectively impossible to achieve. You still can't get 110% efficiency because that implies that you get 10% more energy out than you put in. if you're using other energy sources you're increasing the energy in too so it's still less than 100% efficient after energy wasted in the process of converting it. We already use gravitation and geothermal, and magnetism isn't an inherent energy source in itself.
Is your formula right in stating this? I doubt it. can you tell me what goes faster then the speed of light? Nothing? Well have you ever heard of a black hole? A singularity so dense that not even light can escape. Well, myth busted, there's a void where light can't even go. So there's gotta be something there. Just because your books can't explain it doesn't mean it's not so. It just means no one's figured out how to make it into a weapon yet. Just look how we've use the power of the atom....
Black holes don't cause speeds greater than the speed of light. The gravitation is simply so intense that not even photons are able to travel away from it, they are still traveling at the speed of light, their direction of travel is just limited by extreme gravitation.
I NEVER said magnets were MAGIC, don't put words in my mouth. They do have energy in them or they would never respond to energy to begin with. That's like saying gravity has no energy, but we all know it dose. Other wise, the entire universe wouldn't be here. Thus we wouldn't be having this conversation. Take your head out of the text book. They are full of covenant truths, and look at what science is really trying to tells us. Open your mind, try looking at things from a different point of view
Not to stand on the ivory pedestal, but I'm an electrical engineer and I can tell you for a fact magnets do not have "energy in them". They have a polarity in which one side is lacking of free electrons and is therefore positively charged where the other has more electrons and is therefore negative. They don't have any inherent ability to perform work unless the polarity can change, in the case of electromagnets.
well i belive that we can creat free energy but not in the way shown in this video which would most likly fail because if it lost momentum as it hits the wind mill thing its orbit woud decay and eventually stop , although i think a first step would be a way to creat a perfect machine(a mchine that outputs the same amount of energy put into it)to be able to at least prove the point of perpetual motion which is virtually imposible because of all the yhings that affect it like Gravity Friction Etc.
Your ring of magnets is analogous to Earth and it's gravity, with a satellite (BB) orbiting. As it moves forward, it "falls" toward Earth, but the Earth is round, so the curvature of the satellite path and Earth's shape match, and orbit is achieved. Your BB is "orbiting" magnets.
You wouldn't expect a satellite orbiting Earth to keep smacking into a paddle wheel (resistance) and keep orbiting. Duh.
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When will "Clear Thinking 101" become a prerequisite to passing high school?
Twaddle. A BB rolling past a stationary magnet gains speed as it approaches, then LOSES the exact same speed rolling away. The reason planets accelerate a passing satellite is because the PLANET IS MOVING! It then imparts SOME of that directional momentum to the passing satellite. If the satellite passes in the opposite direction to the planet's movement, it SLOWS DOWN!
THAT's why your idea (w/ stationary magnets) does not work. Prove it to yourself by building it.
But to respond to your primary question : is there free energy in magnet ?
The response is probably YES, because with other configurations, it gives really free energy (see the Minato motor). Playing with the potential energy seems to allow to create some free energy.
Personally, I think that without the generator, the ball velocity wouldn't increase with time. I think it would stabilize and become constant. Like a satellite with a circular orbit has a constant velocity.
So, the generator should take a bit of the ball's energy and event without friction, the ball should stop after several turns (the contact with the wheel can be consider like friction).
free energy works on the principle that if you convolute the discussion you can confuse the issue to the point that most people can't find the violation of thermodynamics. this one however is easy. first pass the ball has exactly the velogity needed to match the magnetic forces. then the ball hits the blade and energy is lost. on the next pass the ball is going slower so it sticks to a magnet. game over.
just simply wouldnt work :P the ball would slow down after hitting the generator blade, even the slightest change in speed would eventually if not immediately change the course of the ball and it would end up going into the magnets or be thrown off course.
The magnet can pull and accelerate the ball, however the exact opposite occurs as the ball passes the magnet, negating the initial acceleration. In other words you gain some energy, but then you have to use that energy to get past the magnet.
@crazynutzzz yes, it's a good demonstration why the work of forces of any potential field at any closed path will always be zero. If some body accelerates while it approaches some point of field (because the force vector has the same direction as velocity vector), then this body must decelerate leaving that point, because the force vector is opposite to velocity vector now.
The design is absolutely wrong. The only way to get full energy of magnet by formula E=mc2, you must take 1/2 of usual magnet and 1/2 of magnet made of antimatter, then let them contact each other. After that you will have the full energy of mass of 1 magnet, and no one material magnet.
The design is absolutely wrong. To get full energy of magnet by formula E=mc2, you must take 1/2 of usual magnet and 1/2 of magnet made of antimatter, then let them contact each other. After that you will have the full energy of mass of 1 magnet, and no one material magnet.
The only valid objection that can be made to your model is that 'permanent' magnets may actually demagnetize for some reason. Otherwise your point is valid.
@tincho81 never.The model is built on the assumption that the ball in magnetic field always moves along the arc of a circle.It's wrong.It would always move along the arc of a conic,but it's also an ellipse, a parabola and hyperbola besides the circle (which is the special case of ellipse).It's easy to understand that if the ball moves along the arc of a circle,then the whole system of magnets is equivalent to single magnet in the center of circle.Does the ball accelerate orbiting one magnet?
@controledmind that's not even the point in the video. Whatever non-linear shape you can construct that closes on itself will cause the ball to accelerate. Be it a circle, a more general conic or whatever. The important thing is to have any closed orbit where the ball reaches its original point at a higher speed than originally. Then you can convert that extra kinetic energy into any other type. And yes, _if_ you could make the ball go around one magnet in a circle, the ball would accelerate.
@tincho81 I have said not exactly what i meant - that's my fault.Saying "accelerate" i meant angular acceleration (and therefore increasing instantaneous velocity and kinetic energy),not a centripetal one,because it does not change the energy of the ball. Whatever closed path the ball go,total work of magnetic forces on that path will be zero, because the magnetic field is potential field.So, where must come additional energy from? Sorry, i have never discussed physics in english before..
@controledmind maybe I should do the math, because I'm not 100% certain on this. When a car turns on a corner it will increase its linear speed after the turn. Where does the extra energy come from?from the friction with the street that caused the car to turn, it will come out with greater linear speed. I claim (without having done the math) that the ball will come with greater speed and that the 'extra energy' would come from the demagnetization of the magnet. But you have a point I'll check.
this is actually a little like th iss space station. well, so does my physics teacher say. the station actually "falls" next to the planet all the time at just the right horizontal speed to maintain a circular (maybe cured) orbit.
The video is dead wrong. The total energy of the system is constant. If you extract power from putting a generator, the ball will lose momentum and kinetic energy until it is 0, at which point it will just stick to one of the magnets.
Also the mass energy equivalence does not work that way.
Go take physics in university before you make this moronic videos. Fucking idiots.
Here's the problem. When you start going in a circle the pull of the magnet as the ball moves away from it will equal the pull of the magnet as the ball moves towards the magnet and therefore net 0 speed (given no friction as you say).
There is no literally free energy that's the scientific fact. However any energy coming from an external system may be considered "free" in the context of the current system(earth). So science DOESN'T say NO, stupid people do. Any system channeling energy from external(to earth for example) sources does give you free energy similar to air conditioning. Same as with thermal machines effectiveness is not necessarily equal and varies with each case.
its not free energy. as the ball slows down, it will have less tangential velocity and this results with a lower angular velocity. i assume ratio of v square : r is constant. the ball will move in a smaller radius to keep moving in circular motion. then it will hit the magnet eventually.(i think its potential energy thats used to convert to kinetic). and its not free. want free energy? search tesla's inventions. it uses some solar ion wind to generate energy(from what i understand)...
you' ll need to provide external input power to counter the friction, or you could do it in vacuum, but still you may need some form of lsight input power to keep it going.
@ThibautVDP There is no energy in magnets, because then they would all disappear as they would consume that energy constantly, and as there is no such thing as energy from nothing said energy would come from some form of breakdown of matter, and thus the magnet would constantly turn matter into magnetic energy...
@JakobiaP energy is in all sorts of formes. is, i say that a lump of charcoal is lying on the table it has already 2 kinds of enrgy: potential energy: it COULD fall of. and chemical energy: it can fuel fire
You can't take friction out of consideration, thats what makes all the difference. On top of that, when hitting the wheel, you'll lose huge amounts of energy.
Smatter people than you and me have thought of this, keep that in mind.
You have velocity change confused with acceleration change. The acceleration change will provide the direction change, but there is no velocity increase.
the ball woudent continue for long because of the friction caused by the generator, and eve if you could make a genertor that dosent impose that muh friction the energy transfered to the genarator will be even less, this mechanism is: kool too watch in video? yes, possible in reality?no. Ho and by the way the energy comes from the initial push that you give to the ball.
i really dont think that the ball would hit the fan every time. also while the ball is gaining speed, the fan is losing energy, so the loss in the fans energy is made up for by the gain in the magnets velocity.
that would not work. not considering friction there is only a stable orbit where it does not get any faster. the increased speed comes from the ball getting closer to the magnet. if you wanted to harness that energy it would have to keep on getting closer to the magnet. of coarse, the limit to that is when they touch.
A quick study of orbital mechanics will reveal the flaw in your assumptions. You get nothing for nothing. Hint: start with conservation of angular momentum.
your fundamental hypothesis that the ball increases in velocity as it passes a magnet is not true, and is why this wouldn't work. When it passes thru a magnetic field it simply changes the direction of it's velocity, so doesn't actually increase. At the very least here, your setup is a perfect analogy to how gravity works on objects in orbit. The ball, if it had an initial velocity and no friction would orbit the magnet-ring forever, but if you removed energy it would fall to the center and stop
@Ash243x Acceleration through centripetal movement, basic physics, the producer of this movie probably believes that acceleration has to involve a change in speed (observe, velocity is a vector, speed, a magnitude, in a direction, thus acceleration involves either a change in speed or direction or both)
Since you're at the same "altitude" with the bearing ball, and you have the same potential energy related to magnets, so you have the same final kinetic energy also ... how in the Hell's name you gain energy from this?
Of course, im the one guy that always mantain an open mind, and i want to show me that i'm wrong ;) !!! ???
"because you spent much more resources to magnetize an alloy than you can get from it back!"
Well that's a monument of stupidity, no comment. I don't thing is so hard to produce Fe3O4 magnetic. You have Fe all over the planet, and O also, and of course all the unextracted minerals based on Fe. The problem is in gravity, that a ball comes back in the same place around the magnets also Sf=So. Because you're at the same "altitude" from the "gravity field generators (magnetic here).
if Tesla created a way to send energy wireless then we could have a "frictionless" environment for generators of all sorts in the forms of satellite type vehicles ... just a thought
how is this arrangement any different from a satellite orbiting the earth. the attractive force is always toward the center, yet the angular rate of the satellite does not accelerate as it goes around. the initial premise is flawed because the velocity component added to the ball bearing is assumed to be in a constant direction, rather than always toward the magnet. so as the ball approaches the magnet it is accelerated, and as it passes away, it is decelerated.
Traditionally, angular or circular movement due to gravity does not change energy of the orbiting object. i.e. the angular momentum is constant. While, an iron ball circulating magnet field may be different. The non-uniform centripetal force of magnet field induce push-pull force while ball circling.
First of all, you HAVE to take friction into account. Plus the blades of the generator would stop the ball bearing totally. Magnets do not contain any energy at all. The production of kinetic energy in the ball bearing by the magnet is due to the magnetic field of force. To remove the ball bearing takes the same amount of energy as it took to attract it. You can't get more out of any machine than you put in. Always under unity devices.
@dsavetark No, if the ball bearing is being pulled by the magnets, it will quickly stick to the magnet. You can't discount friction. That's the flaw in every free energy design. They don't take into account frictional forces. All systems will come to equilibrium eventually, and pretty quickly.
If these people have found the holy grail of free energy, why is it not published anywhere, except on their own youtube accounts?
@aetherix01 Here's a suggestion to make your idea practical. Fire a ball passed one magnet such that it bends and hits a turbine. Just one magnet, no circular path. The energy gained could be used to reload and fire again. Here's a question, does the ball actually speed up after passing a magnet? Have you checked this is the real world? A simple way would be to get a video camera and record a ball bearing rolling passed a magnet.
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MartinClark2012 2 weeks ago
just one problem with the design. we will use the space ship example: when a space ship passes near a planet it trajectory is changed yes but that is looking at a single point in space, if we use a real planet or in the case of your design a circle the space ship also get closer to the planet. the process continues untill the space ship either crashes into the planet or is launched out of orbit. in the case of your design the ball hits a magnet and stops or just goes flying.
LILOEVERYTHING 2 weeks ago
"Is there free energy in magnets?"
I assume this idiot means "in magnetic fields." The answer is "Yes and no." Magnetic fields are static forces, and thus do not contain any energy. One can use magnetic fields to impart one form of energy from one system to another system with the same or different form of energy. For a magnetic field to perform work, a source of energy must also be added.
Desertphile 3 weeks ago
The simple experiment is wrong because "In the same way a space ship speed increase when passes near a planet" is wrong. A space ship only picks up kinetic energy by robbing the moving planet of an equivalent (tiny) amount. Since his magnet isn't moving the ball bearing wont gain any energy.
sambo7734 3 weeks ago 2
I thought of this idea before but it doesn't work. Magnets have a field surronding them, this would make it impossible for the ball to rotate around the magnet though. Sorry but free energy doesn't exist...
Zzarillo 4 weeks ago
This is impossible as the ball passes by one magnet, try to leave its field but will not be able to at a certain point as it gets stuck between any of the two magnets.
ashwinkumar525 1 month ago
first tell me..how this kinda shit is ossible....when the velocity is implies in forward direction it will attract the ball bearing its wont.... followa constant radius path
neha1992cool 1 month ago
the energy in the magnets it's not free it costs ! how much? depends were u buy them from
cris23dumi 1 month ago
"Is there free energy in magnets?"
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
asteroceras 1 month ago 2
Yes! E = mc2. Now make that ball achieve the speed of c and then we'll talk.
CattleCluj 1 month ago
It works only with spiral orbit.
Zsakf0s 1 month ago
@aetherix01
"let's not consider friction"
Good luck with that in the real world.
chibraxial 1 month ago 7
Wrong! very WRong..afirmaton:"the ball bering passes near magnet [..] ,and it speed increase to.." is false and is refer to annother tipe of movemnt..without friction.
TheAdmiston 2 months ago
I "SAIS" no way...
luiseduardo586 2 months ago
e=mc2 means nothing,or bs...
it`s only an imitation of kinetic energy formula,E=mv*2/2...
you just suppose that will move alike...so,keep supposing the results as well...
2009solaris 2 months ago
e=mc2 means nothing,or bs...
it`s only an imitation of kinetic energy formula,E=mv*2/2...
2009solaris 2 months ago
Lol, he's got the wrong idea of magnets having energy. Einstein did indeed say matter has energy E=MC², This means that the metal that makes up the magnet can be converted into energy. Proven when they split the atom, evident when an nuclear bomb is detonated. As for the magnetism being a source of energy, that is not true. This guy needs to do some serious research and educate himself over the differences of what he's trying to say.
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snathanmax 2 months ago
idiot,yr waist of enery
hardo58 2 months ago
nonsense
Dieg0Rafael 3 months ago
stupid
TheMrSpam 3 months ago
You are aware that turning the generator imposes a force against the direction of movement of the ball, right? You are aware that, for most intensive purposes, there's little difference between placing a permanent magnet on a table and building a little hill, right? Permanent magnets only really create potential energy, much like gravity. If the magnets are indeed providing some sort of force driving the ball, there must exist some theoretical bottom of the hill.
DarksporkLeader 3 months ago
What makes you think the ball can roll around that, without losing energy? You even propose that it will gain energy, since it also has to release energy to the blade and still keep going. You're nuts.
realisticHomeboy 3 months ago
If you provide me Free Energy,
I will provide Free Lunch for your lifetime.
MucusFelidae 3 months ago
The myth about free energy.. Energy is in the need of "fuel" for it to be energy, fuel is something that energy consumes.. if fuel runs out, energy = zero.. Energy is ALWAYS in the need of the base of fuel... If theres no fuel, theres no energy and you cant produce energy out of absolute nothingness..
Decnet01 3 months ago
@Decnet01 where im at is all matter has energy(unless its dark matter). there has to be a way we can keep ripping it from some where it naturally and easily can replenish or re use over and over for it cant be destroyed. i was looking at magnets but it seems to be a good idea with no water held.
muaythaijunky 3 months ago
This is dumb. You fail to understand that each magnet would need to be stronger then the last. Cant be done since its a circle. at it's core you are proposing a ramp that will always spiral downwards. Just like the computer graphic this is only possible as an illusion.
TheArchwolf 3 months ago
If this was true, the Earth would be continually accelerating as it orbits the sun. Because you have shaped it into a circle, this means that it doesn't actually have a change in speed, the magnets change it's velocity. A key part about spaceships accelerating or retarding is that they go around the planet, not just pass it.
blackjeffrey1 4 months ago
dont get your head down if you read some of these dumbass comment ok its great idea you just need to work on it more and improve you'll get it ;)
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kimkim1199 4 months ago
talking about perpetual motion omitting friction for "simplicity" XD really ? I rest my case ...
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spyphonebluetooth 4 months ago
Your question already supposes that the ball bearing somehow "gets" or "retains" limitless energy which it doesn't. Congratulations you have illustrated "circular reasoning" fallacy.
If you want to get a bit more complicated imagine that your logic is the ball bearing moving through a closed path, which is why the integral force of your reasoning, fails to produce output above zero, & the ball bearing (your logic) eventually rests tied to the false premise (or 1 of the magnets for illustration).
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gmesthermax 4 months ago 2
Nice dream.
Wake up!
May it work in your head.
But it is a reality with gravity, mass, skin friction and so on.
Your idea works in ideally. The real physics is a complex system without free energy.
For example: this modell can't work without propeller too.
Why do you think it can be work with it?
ErniefromhCanada 4 months ago
E = m * c ^2 is true, but dude, that's an equality, you just cannot "take" energy from there without modifying the mass.
armioca 5 months ago
would lose kinetic energy when striking the propeller and the ball would fall to the magnets
nilssongabriel 5 months ago
i think that if the ball floats it will work, because the earth is also spinning around the sun for a long time...
thegozer100 5 months ago
clever, but it wont work. Eventually the ball would stop due to friction and the loss of energy when moving the paddle.
finkployd4658 5 months ago
If the magnet travels past the magnet, it will have a highest speed if the ball is at the nearest point to the magnet, and then the speed will decrease again by the magnetic force, until it's at the same speed as it was at the start. The energy that it got by approaching the magnet, gets lost again by moving away from the magnet, so net energy = 0
chsxtian 5 months ago
We allready have the answer at 0:33 : ''friction is not considered here''
thats the whole point! Because there always IS friction, It wouldnt work!
TomWesstein2 5 months ago
@TomWesstein2 lol you just shot you own foot there :) if there WAS friction you d get "free energy" in form of temperature. the entire concept is bullshit anyways... why would the ball move passt the mill and not slow down from it. the magnets are not pushing it along.
GetTheGr33n 5 months ago
Magnetism is a force, not an energy generator. Do you consider energy a rope polling a car?
viavairoma 5 months ago
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tyuiwas 6 months ago
THIS CAN WORK!
snipergoose22 6 months ago
according to my calculations: Qh+p/force X Tc -p = energy....
this machine working non stop for 8 months, would power your wifes vibrator for roughly 1 minute
gooman989898 6 months ago 9
if u did it in space there would be less friction i guess non apart from the ball hitting the blade
joeschmo10155 6 months ago
although friction is not taken into account in this prsentation, she be a harsh mistress, slowing the ball at every oppertunity with her friend wind resistance. although these may be neglagable, they still exist. and thats why we dont have free energy.
tetrasa1 6 months ago
why everybody think they get free energy from magnets, magnets need to be magnetized first whit some amount of energy and will eventually fade off in power after constant use in few years, and you need to buy them in one way or another
tomislavlac 6 months ago
nice try!
gsawiris 6 months ago
Flawed;
The ball will revolve around the magnets, like the earth revolves around the sun. this much is true.
however;
each time the ball hits the blade it will decrease in velocity, which it will not gain from the magnets - if it would, that would mean the ball would speed up indefinetly if the blade were not there.
it's like throwing a rock infront of the earth: when they collide, the earth WILL change its trajectory, even if infinitesimally little. perpetuality turns this into a full stop.
Rocksolid88 6 months ago
the problem with magnets is that magnets loose there magnetism over time, plus more energy is needed to create the magnets in the first place that outweighs the energy it outputs
Jamac007 6 months ago
@Jamac007 Actually that's not the problem. The problem is that while magnetic fields can store energy, the fields themselves are not a source of energy.
coasterpro 6 months ago
Take a car, put a metal plate on the front, and then put a crane on top of the car which hangs and magnet on the front that pulls the car. By your hypothesis it should work.
u jelly BP?
Razgrits 7 months ago 3
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tyuiwas 7 months ago
see laws of magnetism for how magnets work not relativity unless u have anti matter and a can shoot materials at the speed of light upon destruction through fission x amt of joules is released based on the atomic number of the 1kg or what ever has .111 so 90,000,000,000,000,000 joules max energy can be harvest in different ways relativity is huge in what is it but can be simplified to nuking(causing fission) what ever it is u are nuking
tvaughanx 7 months ago
error in your theory... but Ash243x already pointed out
vaispatu2006 7 months ago
The existing comments cover your flaws adequately, but I think your description deserves some criticism (in the lightest of terms). Any object with mass m does indeed have a rest energy given by E=mc^2, and yes magnets have a rest energy proportional to their mass, just like everything else in the universe, but using the rest mass of an object for energy is the function behind fusion bombs, not magnets, in order to use this energy, mass must be annihilated, which has nothing to do with magnetism
rjswolfman 7 months ago
indeed we are trying to use rest mass for energy production, but this involves sustaining and containing fusion reactions of hydrogen, basically what's going on in the sun, and we're not nearly there yet. Unless you happen to have a stockpile of antimatter sitting around somewhere, annihilation isn't trivial, and the presence of a magnetic field on your matter to be annihilated is inconsequential.
rjswolfman 7 months ago
Learn to science please.
TheIncredibleD1701 7 months ago
This is basic physics: magnets can change the direction of an object passing through it's field (flux), not speed. If you're referring to the "slingshot" maneuver from Armageddon, the implication was that the shuttle went from a high orbit of the moon, to a low orbit. Our B field equations show an inverse relationship to the radius (just like our G field equations), but if the radius does not change then the ball will not increase in velocity, and thus you will not get extra energy.
edwinrohweller 7 months ago
Needless to say, there is stored energy inside of magnets. Ok, that is a simple answer. Except you then have to then understand that energy from magnets are put there, either by way of electricity(manmade) or bigboom(nature made). If you want another variation of energy from nature(bigboom) then look up at the sun and marvel at your blindness...
lwblack64 7 months ago
The speed of the ball bearing DOES increase, but because of the consistent magnetic pull as it rolls around would eventually draw it into the centre.
Shadowkuta 7 months ago
@Shadowkuta speed will only increase as radius decreases, which will only happen (in an ideal set-up) with friction present or an kinetic energy drain via the generator, the prior of which is assumed negligible. Still, this idea is so dumb I could cry.
rjswolfman 7 months ago
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tyuiwas 7 months ago
@eddieyu80 ...field of any kind will give you a net gain. it doesnt even matter if there are several "static" fields moving relative to eachother, the result is the same. thousands of rearrangements of magnets and bearings and bells and whistles will not change that fact.
amkramar 7 months ago
@eddieyu80 as do I...specifically Aerospace engineering at embry-riddle univ and cal poly slo. That said- such an education does not guarantee intelligence as there are many who can regurgitate well enough to pass a test yet fail to grasp foundational principles well enough to make any application very far beyond the "example problems". if you had said "non-static" in place of "non-uniform" you may have been onto something (think electric motor). Unfortunately, no closed path around a static...
amkramar 7 months ago
..no, but there is in sunlight, wind, water flow, and geothermal heat.
zRev1983 7 months ago
ever heard of "conservative force"? like gravity, or magnetic force fields. it means that the integral of the force*motion through any closed path equals ZERO. and that integral is the energy produced by the field... im sorry but it can not be anything but ZERO. no free energy. just as you cant get energy from gravity.
mass is energy but you cant REDUCE the mass of a magnet. unless you put it into NUCLEAR BOMB <- only thing produced by humans (so far) that reduces mass (in exchange for energy)
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chutu1985 5 months ago
@antipoti cant get energy from gravity? Um... tidal!
BiggerThinking1 4 months ago
@BiggerThinking1 Tidal is not the effect of "the energy" of the gravity. Just the force of it.
The energy itself is the kinetic energy of the moon, and yes it decreases as the mass of water of the oceans move (thereby absorbing energy), and yes it has a effect: the moon is getting further away from the earth...
Why it can not be noticed with naked eye is because the kinetic energy of the moon is incredibly huge, even compared to the energy transfered to the earth through gravitational force.
antipoti 4 months ago
@antipoti Well there's also nuclear power plants which reduce mass in exchange for energy. But those aren't bombs, they're just glorified steam engines using nuclear piles instead of hot coals.
But otherwise you're absolutely right. And what's always amused me is that the number which represents the amount of energy you can get out of magnets in a closed loop is shaped like a closed loop... 0 is so poetic...
luccaskunk 4 months ago
@antipoti E=mc2 whatever we get energy from reduces its mass right? because mass is energy and energy is mass.
DevilGTP97 3 months ago
@antipoti Have you heard of the Dirac Sea of Quantum Energy?
MrOllie86 2 months ago
@antipoti
Is mass not "reduced" in Uranium by adding electrons or stripping protons in order to "enrich" it? My understanding of physics is admittedly limited but isn't all energy pre-existing & therefore potentially interchangable?
TheoreticalArtifex 1 month ago
fuck sake.... the speed of the ball isnt increasing as it goes past, it is changing direction.... that is all...sigh
ChristopherMussett 8 months ago
@ChristopherMussett thing's do not change direction without energy,
ajbauto 7 months ago
@ajbauto yes they do, your mistaking force with energy...
ChristopherMussett 7 months ago
The only way the marble could gain any kinetic energy from the magnets is if it moved closer to them. If it were to maintain a stable orbit however, (like in the animation) then no energy would be gained. If you take out friction what you have here is a perpetual motion machine, not an overunity machine.
brianpv1 8 months ago
This won't work with permanent magnets, only electromagnets with alternating polarity. Therefore the energy is not "in the magnets", the magnets are simply transforming electrical energy into kinetic.
sypher113 8 months ago
I don't know if anyone pointed this out, BUT you are not considering the slowing effect as the ball leaves the vicinity of one magnet. In effect, the energy gained by entering the magnetic field is lost as it leaves, regardless of whether or not there is another field nearby.
TheCopaceticMan 8 months ago
You're using a finite ammount of energy, and you're transforming it to use it on something else (powering your lightbulb or whatever).But you're loosing energy through heat (friction causes heat), sound etc.And as a common law of physics energy can only be transformed.So youre spending more energy than actually gaining on the light bulb.So your system doesn't work as free energy.
VladChe 8 months ago
if you dont consider friction, perpetual motion is possible. The speed gained by the pull of the magnet is less than the friction between the table and the ball.
Slierm 8 months ago
@Slierm there are other forces besides friction to stop perpetual motion, but even if you did achieve perpetual motion it could only mean 100% energy conversion efficiency. Not free energy.
mattymuck 8 months ago
@mattymuck did i mention anything about free energy?
Slierm 8 months ago
@Slierm Indirectly, yes... ignoring only friction in perpetual motion implies the system is obtaining free energy.
mattymuck 8 months ago
@mattymuck no, i was indirectly implying no loss of energy, or as you said it "100% energy conversion". But thanks for the help, i always love an experts opinion...
Slierm 8 months ago
correct me if i'm wrong but wont the ball get stuck in between 2 magnets ??
Dg2811live 8 months ago
@Dg2811live
Indeed it would if the magnets are permanent, to avoid this you need to use electromagnets powered by an alternating current. Because you need to power the magnets, you could never get over or even near 100% efficiency with this.
sypher113 8 months ago
@sypher113 yes uou cannot go over 100% but like an car engine where 40 of the energie is covertet in to heat we need technolegy that converts the hole 100 in to 100 . en most scientist say that a self powerd machien cannot excisist with 110% i think there wrong because we can make use of energie like grafity magnetisme geothermal
Dg2811live 8 months ago
@Dg2811live
The practical problems with making something truly 100% efficient make if effectively impossible to achieve. You still can't get 110% efficiency because that implies that you get 10% more energy out than you put in. if you're using other energy sources you're increasing the energy in too so it's still less than 100% efficient after energy wasted in the process of converting it. We already use gravitation and geothermal, and magnetism isn't an inherent energy source in itself.
sypher113 7 months ago
Is your formula right in stating this? I doubt it. can you tell me what goes faster then the speed of light? Nothing? Well have you ever heard of a black hole? A singularity so dense that not even light can escape. Well, myth busted, there's a void where light can't even go. So there's gotta be something there. Just because your books can't explain it doesn't mean it's not so. It just means no one's figured out how to make it into a weapon yet. Just look how we've use the power of the atom....
xerox165 8 months ago
@xerox165
Black holes don't cause speeds greater than the speed of light. The gravitation is simply so intense that not even photons are able to travel away from it, they are still traveling at the speed of light, their direction of travel is just limited by extreme gravitation.
sypher113 8 months ago
@sypher113
Which raises the obvious question, exactly how does one influence the direction of a point particle of zero mass?
What black holes do, is bend space.
saint7412369 8 months ago
I NEVER said magnets were MAGIC, don't put words in my mouth. They do have energy in them or they would never respond to energy to begin with. That's like saying gravity has no energy, but we all know it dose. Other wise, the entire universe wouldn't be here. Thus we wouldn't be having this conversation. Take your head out of the text book. They are full of covenant truths, and look at what science is really trying to tells us. Open your mind, try looking at things from a different point of view
xerox165 8 months ago
@xerox165
Not to stand on the ivory pedestal, but I'm an electrical engineer and I can tell you for a fact magnets do not have "energy in them". They have a polarity in which one side is lacking of free electrons and is therefore positively charged where the other has more electrons and is therefore negative. They don't have any inherent ability to perform work unless the polarity can change, in the case of electromagnets.
sypher113 8 months ago
It's not that simple, magnetism is a real bitch :D
wyrrox 8 months ago
well i belive that we can creat free energy but not in the way shown in this video which would most likly fail because if it lost momentum as it hits the wind mill thing its orbit woud decay and eventually stop , although i think a first step would be a way to creat a perfect machine(a mchine that outputs the same amount of energy put into it)to be able to at least prove the point of perpetual motion which is virtually imposible because of all the yhings that affect it like Gravity Friction Etc.
KiteFlyingGuy 8 months ago
@KiteFlyingGuy i had to shorten it beacause it was to long
KiteFlyingGuy 8 months ago
Your ring of magnets is analogous to Earth and it's gravity, with a satellite (BB) orbiting. As it moves forward, it "falls" toward Earth, but the Earth is round, so the curvature of the satellite path and Earth's shape match, and orbit is achieved. Your BB is "orbiting" magnets.
You wouldn't expect a satellite orbiting Earth to keep smacking into a paddle wheel (resistance) and keep orbiting. Duh.
***Sigh...***
When will "Clear Thinking 101" become a prerequisite to passing high school?
YorkLumsey 8 months ago
Twaddle. A BB rolling past a stationary magnet gains speed as it approaches, then LOSES the exact same speed rolling away. The reason planets accelerate a passing satellite is because the PLANET IS MOVING! It then imparts SOME of that directional momentum to the passing satellite. If the satellite passes in the opposite direction to the planet's movement, it SLOWS DOWN!
THAT's why your idea (w/ stationary magnets) does not work. Prove it to yourself by building it.
YorkLumsey 8 months ago
But to respond to your primary question : is there free energy in magnet ?
The response is probably YES, because with other configurations, it gives really free energy (see the Minato motor). Playing with the potential energy seems to allow to create some free energy.
Or, if not free, very cheap energy. :)
tougerw 8 months ago
Hello,
Did you do such an experiment ?
Personally, I think that without the generator, the ball velocity wouldn't increase with time. I think it would stabilize and become constant. Like a satellite with a circular orbit has a constant velocity.
So, the generator should take a bit of the ball's energy and event without friction, the ball should stop after several turns (the contact with the wheel can be consider like friction).
tougerw 8 months ago
free energy works on the principle that if you convolute the discussion you can confuse the issue to the point that most people can't find the violation of thermodynamics. this one however is easy. first pass the ball has exactly the velogity needed to match the magnetic forces. then the ball hits the blade and energy is lost. on the next pass the ball is going slower so it sticks to a magnet. game over.
opinionspewer 8 months ago
just simply wouldnt work :P the ball would slow down after hitting the generator blade, even the slightest change in speed would eventually if not immediately change the course of the ball and it would end up going into the magnets or be thrown off course.
SikSemper 8 months ago
I read your video explanation. I suggest reading a book on relativity. Or find a source of antimatter (which then wouldn't be free energy).
genericmember1 8 months ago
The magnet can pull and accelerate the ball, however the exact opposite occurs as the ball passes the magnet, negating the initial acceleration. In other words you gain some energy, but then you have to use that energy to get past the magnet.
crazynutzzz 8 months ago
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controledmind 8 months ago
@crazynutzzz yes, it's a good demonstration why the work of forces of any potential field at any closed path will always be zero. If some body accelerates while it approaches some point of field (because the force vector has the same direction as velocity vector), then this body must decelerate leaving that point, because the force vector is opposite to velocity vector now.
controledmind 8 months ago
The design is absolutely wrong. The only way to get full energy of magnet by formula E=mc2, you must take 1/2 of usual magnet and 1/2 of magnet made of antimatter, then let them contact each other. After that you will have the full energy of mass of 1 magnet, and no one material magnet.
controledmind 8 months ago
The design is absolutely wrong. To get full energy of magnet by formula E=mc2, you must take 1/2 of usual magnet and 1/2 of magnet made of antimatter, then let them contact each other. After that you will have the full energy of mass of 1 magnet, and no one material magnet.
controledmind 8 months ago
is this a troll?
stevenkDE 8 months ago
The only valid objection that can be made to your model is that 'permanent' magnets may actually demagnetize for some reason. Otherwise your point is valid.
tincho81 8 months ago
@tincho81 never.The model is built on the assumption that the ball in magnetic field always moves along the arc of a circle.It's wrong.It would always move along the arc of a conic,but it's also an ellipse, a parabola and hyperbola besides the circle (which is the special case of ellipse).It's easy to understand that if the ball moves along the arc of a circle,then the whole system of magnets is equivalent to single magnet in the center of circle.Does the ball accelerate orbiting one magnet?
controledmind 8 months ago
@controledmind that's not even the point in the video. Whatever non-linear shape you can construct that closes on itself will cause the ball to accelerate. Be it a circle, a more general conic or whatever. The important thing is to have any closed orbit where the ball reaches its original point at a higher speed than originally. Then you can convert that extra kinetic energy into any other type. And yes, _if_ you could make the ball go around one magnet in a circle, the ball would accelerate.
tincho81 8 months ago
@tincho81 I have said not exactly what i meant - that's my fault.Saying "accelerate" i meant angular acceleration (and therefore increasing instantaneous velocity and kinetic energy),not a centripetal one,because it does not change the energy of the ball. Whatever closed path the ball go,total work of magnetic forces on that path will be zero, because the magnetic field is potential field.So, where must come additional energy from? Sorry, i have never discussed physics in english before..
controledmind 8 months ago
@controledmind maybe I should do the math, because I'm not 100% certain on this. When a car turns on a corner it will increase its linear speed after the turn. Where does the extra energy come from?from the friction with the street that caused the car to turn, it will come out with greater linear speed. I claim (without having done the math) that the ball will come with greater speed and that the 'extra energy' would come from the demagnetization of the magnet. But you have a point I'll check.
tincho81 8 months ago
this is actually a little like th iss space station. well, so does my physics teacher say. the station actually "falls" next to the planet all the time at just the right horizontal speed to maintain a circular (maybe cured) orbit.
ThibautVDP 8 months ago
men this is imposible caus if too mutch magnet atracte the ball it will stay on on of them but i have an ida
secret642 8 months ago
The video is dead wrong. The total energy of the system is constant. If you extract power from putting a generator, the ball will lose momentum and kinetic energy until it is 0, at which point it will just stick to one of the magnets.
Also the mass energy equivalence does not work that way.
Go take physics in university before you make this moronic videos. Fucking idiots.
Gunner3210 8 months ago
Here's the problem. When you start going in a circle the pull of the magnet as the ball moves away from it will equal the pull of the magnet as the ball moves towards the magnet and therefore net 0 speed (given no friction as you say).
nexus1g 8 months ago
And in that way all satellites likes moon n earth should have increased velocities on their paths but they dont.. so this is fail!!
th3h3llblax 8 months ago
without friction..... u cannot rotate the blades!!!!.. u should say there is no friction between ball n table..
th3h3llblax 8 months ago
you dont understand einstein, do you?
nik64534231 8 months ago
NEEDS MORE BALLS TO ROTATE QUICKER!!!!1
prieto87ss 9 months ago
There is no literally free energy that's the scientific fact. However any energy coming from an external system may be considered "free" in the context of the current system(earth). So science DOESN'T say NO, stupid people do. Any system channeling energy from external(to earth for example) sources does give you free energy similar to air conditioning. Same as with thermal machines effectiveness is not necessarily equal and varies with each case.
nikoladd 9 months ago
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nikoladd 9 months ago
its not free energy. as the ball slows down, it will have less tangential velocity and this results with a lower angular velocity. i assume ratio of v square : r is constant. the ball will move in a smaller radius to keep moving in circular motion. then it will hit the magnet eventually.(i think its potential energy thats used to convert to kinetic). and its not free. want free energy? search tesla's inventions. it uses some solar ion wind to generate energy(from what i understand)...
de0509 9 months ago
I thought that you were really smart.... until i saw that you spelled "process" wrong
kenpreiser 9 months ago
you' ll need to provide external input power to counter the friction, or you could do it in vacuum, but still you may need some form of lsight input power to keep it going.
6SpAr6TAN69 9 months ago
magnets can eventually (altough after a really really... really long time) run out of energy. but magnets can be the future
ThibautVDP 9 months ago
@ThibautVDP There is no energy in magnets, because then they would all disappear as they would consume that energy constantly, and as there is no such thing as energy from nothing said energy would come from some form of breakdown of matter, and thus the magnet would constantly turn matter into magnetic energy...
JakobiaP 9 months ago
@JakobiaP energy is in all sorts of formes. is, i say that a lump of charcoal is lying on the table it has already 2 kinds of enrgy: potential energy: it COULD fall of. and chemical energy: it can fuel fire
ThibautVDP 8 months ago
@ThibautVDP But neither of these energies is released constantly, right?
JakobiaP 8 months ago
You can't take friction out of consideration, thats what makes all the difference. On top of that, when hitting the wheel, you'll lose huge amounts of energy.
Smatter people than you and me have thought of this, keep that in mind.
TheMattgician 9 months ago
It's the kinetic energy you clever. When you push the ball. So the energy comes from you.
vasgeorge 9 months ago
You have velocity change confused with acceleration change. The acceleration change will provide the direction change, but there is no velocity increase.
Lawlbunnies 9 months ago
the ball woudent continue for long because of the friction caused by the generator, and eve if you could make a genertor that dosent impose that muh friction the energy transfered to the genarator will be even less, this mechanism is: kool too watch in video? yes, possible in reality?no. Ho and by the way the energy comes from the initial push that you give to the ball.
rodriasser 9 months ago
i really dont think that the ball would hit the fan every time. also while the ball is gaining speed, the fan is losing energy, so the loss in the fans energy is made up for by the gain in the magnets velocity.
theperformingguy112 9 months ago
that would not work. not considering friction there is only a stable orbit where it does not get any faster. the increased speed comes from the ball getting closer to the magnet. if you wanted to harness that energy it would have to keep on getting closer to the magnet. of coarse, the limit to that is when they touch.
mathscirocks 9 months ago
@mathscirocks it's the same reason that the moon hasn't reached the speed of light yet...
JakobiaP 9 months ago
excactly
mathscirocks 8 months ago
A quick study of orbital mechanics will reveal the flaw in your assumptions. You get nothing for nothing. Hint: start with conservation of angular momentum.
Huttate1 9 months ago
man, are you sick? and what about the centripetal force?
the little ball goes flying because of the centripetal force¡
TheSupertecnology 9 months ago
your fundamental hypothesis that the ball increases in velocity as it passes a magnet is not true, and is why this wouldn't work. When it passes thru a magnetic field it simply changes the direction of it's velocity, so doesn't actually increase. At the very least here, your setup is a perfect analogy to how gravity works on objects in orbit. The ball, if it had an initial velocity and no friction would orbit the magnet-ring forever, but if you removed energy it would fall to the center and stop
Ash243x 9 months ago 18
@Ash243x Acceleration through centripetal movement, basic physics, the producer of this movie probably believes that acceleration has to involve a change in speed (observe, velocity is a vector, speed, a magnitude, in a direction, thus acceleration involves either a change in speed or direction or both)
JakobiaP 9 months ago
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Since you're at the same "altitude" with the bearing ball, and you have the same potential energy related to magnets, so you have the same final kinetic energy also ... how in the Hell's name you gain energy from this?
Of course, im the one guy that always mantain an open mind, and i want to show me that i'm wrong ;) !!! ???
Scavitza 9 months ago
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Scavitza 9 months ago
"because you spent much more resources to magnetize an alloy than you can get from it back!"
Well that's a monument of stupidity, no comment. I don't thing is so hard to produce Fe3O4 magnetic. You have Fe all over the planet, and O also, and of course all the unextracted minerals based on Fe. The problem is in gravity, that a ball comes back in the same place around the magnets also Sf=So. Because you're at the same "altitude" from the "gravity field generators (magnetic here).
Scavitza 9 months ago
you sir, obviously no little about the workings of magnetic fields
jobriq5 10 months ago
Add more magnets in rotation and magnet on helice and you kick ass
0TANNAT0 10 months ago
if Tesla created a way to send energy wireless then we could have a "frictionless" environment for generators of all sorts in the forms of satellite type vehicles ... just a thought
fawkUtube 10 months ago
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fawkUtube 10 months ago
ну и брееед
alexxxxxboy 10 months ago
too bad that doesnt work even without friction.
Vermin298 10 months ago
how is this arrangement any different from a satellite orbiting the earth. the attractive force is always toward the center, yet the angular rate of the satellite does not accelerate as it goes around. the initial premise is flawed because the velocity component added to the ball bearing is assumed to be in a constant direction, rather than always toward the magnet. so as the ball approaches the magnet it is accelerated, and as it passes away, it is decelerated.
amkramar 10 months ago 4
@amkramar
I have physics background.
Traditionally, angular or circular movement due to gravity does not change energy of the orbiting object. i.e. the angular momentum is constant. While, an iron ball circulating magnet field may be different. The non-uniform centripetal force of magnet field induce push-pull force while ball circling.
eddieyu80 7 months ago
First of all, you HAVE to take friction into account. Plus the blades of the generator would stop the ball bearing totally. Magnets do not contain any energy at all. The production of kinetic energy in the ball bearing by the magnet is due to the magnetic field of force. To remove the ball bearing takes the same amount of energy as it took to attract it. You can't get more out of any machine than you put in. Always under unity devices.
Maybe learn about magnets and magnetism.
UnderManlac 10 months ago
wow nice..but wont the ball bearing..go out of course like fly off the table..??
dsavetark 10 months ago
@dsavetark No, if the ball bearing is being pulled by the magnets, it will quickly stick to the magnet. You can't discount friction. That's the flaw in every free energy design. They don't take into account frictional forces. All systems will come to equilibrium eventually, and pretty quickly.
If these people have found the holy grail of free energy, why is it not published anywhere, except on their own youtube accounts?
UnderManlac 10 months ago