Tony Cecchine's American Catch Wrestling: Standing Double Wrist Lock (Kimura)

[aquareason]

Fk you Tony Ceccine, you don't fking care how your helper feels when you twist or do anything to his arm, you just do it like you don't give a Fk, I myself here seeing you doing this kind of act to him, I myself will cover my eyes and don't dare to watch, I don't care whether you've got break his arm or what, I just want you to know, you push his arm a little, he feels the fking pain, why not ask him or someone to try on you.... You're like doing on him like a boss.... Fking think how people fe

[williambbertram]

I'd love to train some catch. Nice video.

[DanteSoto8610]

he sai "AH!" lmao "thats not a deminstration" lmao

[phattybmc]

long before kimura was born?--wow!--typical american egotistical idiot

[HanzzzCZECH]

@phattybmc Well, thing is, double wrist lock has been known long before Kimura was born, but its origins are in Judo. The term "Kimura" is used in BJJ for reverse ude-garami, because Kimura Masahiko used it to submit Hélio Gracie in their famous fight.

[Mider999]

@phattybmc How is he an idiot? Henry the 8th was a catch wrestler you dont even know what your talking about friend :)

[koalicija1]

animal...

[theguyi26]

There's something I don't understand. You're putting your own forearm against their forearm. You stress both your and your opponent's forearm at the middle place. What's to make sure that your forearm doesn't break first?

[myloveforMMA]

@theguyi26 Your fore-arm has the support your body.

[thejokerrm]

For some reason every time i try this lock my opponent only feels wrist pain but i never get pressure on the forearm...does anybody know what im doing wrong?

[TheBigCheech1120]

your grip on his wrist differs from a kimura because in a kimura you use a monkey grip where your thumb as actually not around his wrist at all, but its over the top.

[najee786]

Anyone else think he's off his fucking marbels? LOL

[bugatti264]

man boobs

[Rapist87]

Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu........when are people going to get over the idea that it is the system and not the man? You are just as unconcious if you get decked by a right cross from a boxer, kick boxer, muay thai boxer or a san shou fighter. Submission is the same - a good grappler is a good grappler is a good grappler.

[madbadJim]

the double wrist lock is AWSOME, its the first thing I learned... its good for self defense, good for reactions.... Its all about some guy trying to grab you... twist that rist

[antegradnja]

cecchine is the fuckin man baby

[NForcerSA]

Tony,

Would you be willing to help out with correctional officers in the showing of CACC?

[pussyeater6669]

thanks to this vids.. it helps me a lot to prepare on the tournament tomorrow..

[nHautamaki]

Just a question about the wrist lock... it seems to me that if the opponent is about as strong as you or stronger there's no way you're going to be able to twist his arm by grabbing his wrist there. It isn't even arm strength against arm strength, it's grip strength against arm strength. If he is resisting, I think your hand is going to slide around his wrist while his arm stays still. That's why you often see kimuras applied with less than ideal arm position imo.

[cecchinecatch]

@nHautamaki You don't really twist his arm, you use your entire body -- hip movement, turn, etc., -- and the "twist" is enacted merely by having grabbed the hand in the proper way. You aren't giving an Indian burn here. This is a timing move -- much like an arm drag (and deployed in a similar way, incidentally).

[nHautamaki]

@cecchinecatch thanks for the response, after trying it out myself I found I was able to get it to work against most guys in my gym but the truly beefy ones, once they got sweaty, I just couldn't budge them. But then I can't budge them with most anything I try so you can't really blame the move for that haha =p

[Mider999]

@cecchinecatch What other martial arts have you trained, or train in? 

[bud123]

@nHautamaki From practise it can be done but I do agree with your point.

[kaindrg]

@nHautamaki the point in catch wrestling si that even if its not initially successful the attemped ends up serving a a distraction, it works fairly well since each failed lock is a transition into ur next one

[m0nk3yb0ydj]

@tpie33 he's a fighter not a presentator

[TheG1NGAN1NJA]

He looks like Tom Berenger.

[pcjudosambo]

Brutal Lock!!!!

[MasterHatfield]

Thanks Tony I teach this both ways thanks for sharring

[unicyclehoopster]

that was awsome. very informative. checkout unicyclehoopster on youtube. it's funny

[hedges1]

whats the difference between this and the lost art of hooking? im thinking of purchasing this but is it the same stuff as the lost art of hooking?

[cecchinecatch]

@hedges1 This series takes you all the way from stand-up to takedowns and throws to the ground. LAOH, for how great it is, is a compendium of hooks / submission holds, along with some very valuable info on ground control. Snap, No Tap! is the best thing Tony's ever done. You can spend the next 10 years training off of it. My kid even uses it to augment his amateur wrestling training.

[Mider999]

@cecchinecatch Do you reccommend Snap No Tap or the other videos you have?

[jbravo41]

@Mider999 SnT is a cool DVD set. I use BJJ as a main engine so to speak, but some of the stuff in SnT is really effective. If u know grappling already there is a lot of stuff in there to think about and give you new ideas. I cant understand why some people trash the Catch stuff so much. Must be the TAPOUT T shirt faction......

[khalsasikh]

I've only seen Sakuraba and Josh Barnett using Catch in MMA. I wish more catch wrestlers would go into MMA.

[bangermccrusher]

I wish there was a single intrusctor in my country of CACC....I've learned a few tricks by watching tony and they are devastating techniques....elite nonetheless

[oldsgtmajusmc]

excellent  vidio oldsgtmajusmc

[pollywogA1]

In my (began in 1968) Judo and Hakko Ryu jiu-jitsu courses, we used green tree branches to break with our kensetsu waza's (breaking techniques) because a 'green tree branch' had the same consistency as a human arm or leg, and did not *snap* like a kiln dried dowel or stick. This is a good film. Thank you!

[TatarAmir]

keep your hand open :D:D

[bosszeroboss]

Whoa, that's cool. Tony snapped that stick!

And it sounds like he also issued a challenge to Mark Hatmaker!!

[piker3000]

great stuff! any way to upload this from closed guard?

[JCanmor]

The BEST clip I have seen in a long time!

[tyebo87]

wasnt catch wrestling invented in the UK?

[republocrat90]

@tyebo87 Yes, catch originated in the UK. Glad to see it making a comeback here.

Does anyone know of any footage of a catch match they can direct me to? One that is not worked? I've seen a real grainy one from early 1900s on Grapple Arts.com.

[1988Tofer]

this guy is a fucking tool

[pocketfullofstones]

This move is awesome. Took me a while to learn it, but now I got it. And once you get it properly you can just feel the power you have, and how easily you can break the arm.

[S2JCREW]

What video is better, Snap, No Tap! or Lost art of hooking?

[pocketfullofstones]

@S2JCREW They are a great compliment to each other. LAOH is primarily a ground series, while Snap no Tap covers standup grappling and striking as well as a little bit of the ground game. Once you get one you'll want the other not just because of the moves shown, but because Tony is such a great teacher and explains things so well.

[Dshed1967]

I'd love to learn this.That hurt just looking at it.

[Dante655321]

that looked nasty. question, what are the chances of breaking My own arm trying to put that lock?

[chileno189]

so to do the double wristlock, should i be touching his thumb with my middle finger and index finger? im used to doing it the bjj way (monkey grip)

[TheStonedMind]

lol wtf?

[GoldenGhost42]

question: how you grab the wrist from under. Everytime in this demonstration the opponent give his hands to explainer(don't know what the word is) and then the explainer grabs his wrist from under. but in a real situation he is not gonna give you his hands.

[bajanwrestling]

thanks. this was educational. I believed that kimura's technique was the first of its kind. I have used youtube as a library for 3 years and never new this info. I am involved in Greco, No-Gi and MMA. I will certainly have to appologise to my group and send them to your page.

Continue the good work.

[JFDF69]

Thanks-Tony, love your material,plan on addding the snap-no-tap to my laoh.keep the good work up.

[JFDF69]

Which dvd is this off of.

[cecchinecatch]

@JFDF69 From the Snap, No Tap! set from Paladin. This technique is on the standing submission volume.

[CaptainStern2]

Thanks for the reply. I've been doing BJJ for a year and a half and have always been uneasy about how it would help me if I was attacked by an opponent with a blade.

[CaptainStern2]

So that stick has the same tensile/breaking strength (not sure what the correct term is) as a human's wrist bones?

[cecchinecatch]

@CaptainStern2 Well, I can't say with scientific precision, but the stick used was a dowel, so that should give you some idea of the power you can generate even without adding in momentum, etc. The bone in the forearm you are going after is not as thick. And from personal experience I can tell you that the pain from having it even bowed a bit is tremendous.

[petealk12]

@cecchinecatch..tony first of great techniques man..u show real applications in your techniques..i reside in brooklyn NY and ive been looking for a place that teaches authentic Catch.. do u have any suggestions please..

[m0nk3yb0ydj]

@cecchinecatch i had an oak dowel in my room that i wasnt using and im severly out of shape im 6'0 254 ibs. never worked out a day in my life and i easily broke the dowel so that should show just how amazing this technique is

[JFDF69]

Probably close enough.Similar to the pine board theory 3 boards = a broken rib.Anyhow its a good confidence booster. That should be the next theoty tested on the Fighting Science show

[tyebo87]

@CaptainStern2 no bone has a higher density than wood and concrete therefore it is stronger. thats why joint locks focus on damaging joints as there easier to break than bones.

[j2dhyphen]

snap no tap!

[MrYousuck25]

I GOTTA LEARN IT

[dennisservaes]

I like the intelligent way Tony explains and shows what other people only claimed to know the answers to a few years ago. I like his videos and DVDs.  Can you post some simple counters to guillotine in guard, and naked choke in guard, and counter to Boston Crab? Thank you thank you thank you.

[nightvisionmonocular]

Please open a school in Exton or King of Prussia PA.

[MattitudeSupporter]

Wow good instructional video. Using props like the wood stick was good.

[cecchinecatch]

First, this is a street fighting series, so the entry could be off a grab, a punch, a chop, etc. Second, the shoulder is secured very tightly, and the second attack-the shoulder lock-is affected without any additional "lifting" of the arm (a strength move). Third, wrestlers are used to grabbing arm drags with the palm up, so the grip is natural. Fourth, the "twist" is enacted using body weight and position, not strength. Other than that, the guy's critique is dead on /sarcasm.

[Zwerchhau]

Does anybody know anywhere in Montana where you can train Catch wrestling?

[cecchinecatch]

@Zwerchhau Not sure you can. There are others teaching catch wrestling, but most of those aren't teaching hooks. Always ask where a potential teacher learned his catch. Most people claiming a catch background are tape trained -- usually from The Lost Art of Hooking. My advice? Use the url at the end of each clip we have here and contact Tony directly.

[hoghash78]

I wrestled catch for a few years, i won´t go into details.

But this small intro fits into what I learned while on the road.

In amateur wrestling I would attempt to transition smoothly from move to move.

However, long story short...I was showed and told how to make all my transitions extremeley painfull to my opponent.

the pain in the process of achieving my will was the most important.

In short, you should always afflict pain on your opponent

[quezzie13]

Tony Cecchine does the best job at breaking down submissions, and explaining proper mechanics of moves. Catch wrestling shoud seriously be taken a look at by FILA.

[doc0ses8ttt]

thank u for making these vids, these r helping me with my high skool wrestling

[palindabomb]

I see where some Canadian "catch" guy on lockflow is claiming Tony isn't applying the hold correctly -- and that he's basically using a pain compliance move. He then links to some videos of pro-wrestlers applying the lock poorly. This tells me two things: 1) he has never felt this applied properly, and 2) he erroneously believes it inherently easier to grab the lock without the underhand grip. Try both. Decide for yourselves. Until you've felt this, you have NO idea the difference.

[alfredtink]

i find this hard to pull off in a grappling match. even against unskilled grappler. first of all, to twist his wrist like that, takes along time. opponent can see it coming. as if your going to get palm to palm.l what happens if you don't get palm to palm. what happens if youi can't get the twist, if it is against a strong guy.

[cecchinecatch]

@alfredtink So don't use it in a grappling match. The grab is very easy if someone is pushing against your or grabbing at your belt, etc. And the "twist" is applied, essentially, by the palm grip. It doesn't take any extra time; it happens when you grab correctly and then use your body weight to step outside. On Snap, No Tap!, we demonstrate these moves with a 190 lb guy pulling them off on a 300lb power-lifting record holder. Not about strength. It's about technique.

[cecchinecatch]

@cecchinecatch I should add that if you are prepared and practiced at grabbing for the wrist this way, you'll find this available to you in a number of situations. Essentially, the guy's hand is in the typical finish position for a straight punch. As we discuss in the series, if his hand is above his elbow, you'd want to either chop him and break the arm down first, or go a different route. But people try to tie you up by grabbing clothes all the time. No magic bullets here. Practice.

[mdub2000]

thanks for talking about this grab....i practice chin na grappling and my teacher grabs the same way you describe..we even practice drills to sneak into the position...when i was first learning it i didnt know how practical it could be since it was an unusual position...but it works really well....i had never seen many people really explain this thanks for putting this up and giving us all some insight.

[nunchukus]

Could I use this without breaking someones bones. Such as a law enforcement technique?

[cecchinecatch]

@nunchukus Yes. It's actually a nice come along, because the pressure on the forearm can be applied at any time. You don't have to break the forearm; the pain alone is good for compliance.

[SirFightsalot]

this is a perfect example of not fuckin around in a fight if u dont need to fight...like this is pretty brutal...lookin at this...id only wanna fight as self defence or if im in a lock tap out quick in an mma match...and most of the time hes not puttin that much pressure which leads us to believe that anyone with proper form could break a forearm.

[DARKxPROFFICY]

CHUCK NORRIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dontcutcircles]

just checking out your you tube videos and to say hi. i am enjoying your snap dont tap series that i bought last month.

[sallah098]

You have to post more videos man! this stuff is to good not too. You can destroy a bjj guy with this kind of stuff instantly. I appreciate the fact that you posting something so simple yet effective.

[jukido987]

Why do people call Tony Fake? This guy is as real as it gets! I'm glad that people like him are out there teaching real Martial Arts. Thanks Tony..Even though it's hard to train under You. LOL!

[cecchinecatch]

The few people who do just coincidentally have gone on to start "catch wrestling" businesses. So you tell me.

Their stuff is available here on youtube. Compare and contrast, I say.

[mikereis77]

Great stuff! I like it and I'm glad to see someone else twisting the wrist.

[thejokerrm]

thank you tony for the tips!

[sallah098]

keep em coming cecchinecatch because love these techniques. They are so vicious, quick, and simple. These moves almost require no strength rather the proper structure and pressure. I hate the fact that today these BJJ guy continuely say that catch wrestling is strength on strength but rather it's BJJ that does that. BJJ also does not emphises on the swisting the opponent's body in unatural position, blade on blade, the pintching of the arms, or snap no tap. Also Catch does not rely on position.

[wrestler50000]

People still refering Catch as a 'strength on strength' type of art?

I think Sakuraba demonstrates it best when studying Catch (in the mma area) - do you see him using strength on his opponents? He's more like a calm, collective, strategic kind of fighter/grappler to me, who also uses Catch very effectively.

For me, I refer myself as a wrestler. Catch has played a role in skills, along with Sombo and BJJ. Catch helped me think outside the norm, and is NOT a strength only art.

[AmazingDevilChild]

Absolutely the best wrestling techniques around!

[cooltobejoe]

completely changes how i do the Kimura