From Armchair Psychologist; The dissension is the way inadequate dilletante musiciains claim the power they lack as artists to criticize the real ones. Rather than make the sacrifices necessary to achieve artistic competence they satifsy themselves to be able to find the faults and limitations of levels they will never achieve.
I want to put a word in about Art Farmer. Farmer arose as a contemporary of Morgan, Donald Byrd, Blue Mitchell, and Brownie, and in his early career he did make recording in the HrdBop genre, but he went on to record with Gerry Mulligan, George Russell, Jim Hall, etc., and he is remembered as a guy whose mastery of ballad playing is beyond categorization. In other words, to merely plug him into the list of top hard bop trumpets doesn't do the man justice.
Discussing whether X, Y, or Z is good/better/best has nothing to with the fact that this is a truly enlivened solo by Hubbard, and it's a joy to have it captured on film. Yes, I would like it even better if it continued and captured Golson's solo also. Golson is a jazz hero. And regarding whether it's Cables or Williams on piano: For those who say it's Cables -- have you ever seen a photo of the man? Compare that to this clip -- the pianist is NOT George Cables.
I see so much dissension in these posts-like "who's better." Jeezus. Anybody who can play to this kind of level gets my vote, be it Freddie, Miles, Fats, Pops, Eldridge, Birks, Brownie, Maynard, Harrell, Jack Sheldon, Chet Baker, Terell Stafford, Ingrid Jensen, Jay Thomas, Willie Thomas, Floyd Standifer, Blue Mitchell, Lee Morgan, Dorham, the list goes on and on. On THIS video, it's Freddie Hubbard, Playing his ass off. Shut up and transcribe the solo, all you no-playin'-mf-ers!!!!
I think you need to put Booker Little in there alongside Brownie. IMHO he was his equal and certainly "better" than Art Farmer. Besides which you can't compare these guys this way since it's different music, Lee and Freddie are hardboppers and Brownie and Booker never had the chance to evolve to that. Maybe they would have and maybe not. Kenny Dorham never quite made the transition comfortably.
Have you ever heard a Kenny Dorham tune? He was one of the most original and prolific composers of the hard bob era. A lot people struggle with his tunes to this day.
WTF?? What about Dizzy? He created bop trumpet and we're leaving off Kenny Dorham and Booker Little. All those people are great but Dizzy INVENTED the way they play the trumpet. I'm not saying they don't have their own stlye or didn't make their own personal contribution but it all started with Dizzy and Bird.
You saying that is as narrow minded as someone saying everything comes from a later guy. It all started with Dizzy and Bird? You need to listen to some 30's and 40's small group jazz - Dizzy came out of Roy Eldridge, and Lester Young was playing what we would call bebop more than a decade before Bird. They're great, but don't create a cutoff point where there isn't one.
Sorry, I have learned a lot since then and I don't believe what I said back then about it all coming from Bird and Dizzy. However, he does need to be on that list as he did directly inspire all of those guys.
@eatsleeptrumpet -- Having seen both live and up close a few decades ago, I too was caught up for a minute thinking it was Cables, so I'm sympathetic to Markbra.
You know Freddie himself says that Lee had something that he didn't have. However, Freddie's technique, his harmonic acuity, his ability to play in any context and formulate complete sentences of the utmost breadth, his Tranelike lines, are just so vastly beyond where Lee went. I think Lee might have been a better composer and bandleader had he lived, but listen to Freddie with Art and Lee with Art--no comparison!
I don't know what you're trying to prove. Lee Morgan was far superior playing with Art Blakey than Freddie Hubbard ever was. Lee gelled with this group better than anyone, and he was the ultimate soul trumpeter of the late 1950's to 1960's. He endlessly flowed soul lines that fit what Art Blakey wanted to prove. Listen to Roots and Herbs, The Witch Doctor, The Freedom Rider, and you'll realize the incredible jazz vocabulary pumped into Lee's solos. There will never be a more fitting Messenger.
Hard to disagree, but Lee Morgan wasn't any slouch either, and some consider him the badder of the two. IMHO both were touched by the hand of the master, Art Blakey, and both could burn. If it's a race, I rate them neck and neck, but Jazz is so profound an art form that it's really impossible to treat it like a contest and limit greatness to only one player.
Man put down that gin glass, no one can ever come close to LEE.I recently revised :"seach for the new land : by LEE and it put me a coma for 45 minutes.Lee is is Lee.
@eatsleeptrumpet Forgot about that Woody Shaw guy? haha. In all seriousness your right as Mike Brecker said when working with Lovano and Liebman "It's not a battle a peaceful meeting of souls making music."
@eatsleeptrumpet yeah but were are ranking them, putting coke on your lips could be considered cheating...lol like steroids in baseball. But im with you guys, theres no competition... just a lot of good music made and being made.
James was my mentor, I met him when I was 14. that is def James.
benflint 1 month ago
ｺﾞﾙｿﾝの"ｽﾃｲﾌﾟﾙ･ﾒｲﾂ"～ﾌﾚﾃﾞｨｰ･ﾊﾊﾞｰﾄﾞがたくましく吹き上げる!常に我々を熱くしてくれた､ｽｰﾊﾟｰﾄﾗﾝﾍﾟｯﾀｰだった!感謝・・#jazzm
blackandtanful 7 months ago
FabFreddie.
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TLC
PapaLuvTLC 10 months ago
absolutely sick!
whowouldveknown 1 year ago
From Armchair Psychologist; The dissension is the way inadequate dilletante musiciains claim the power they lack as artists to criticize the real ones. Rather than make the sacrifices necessary to achieve artistic competence they satifsy themselves to be able to find the faults and limitations of levels they will never achieve.
babinm 1 year ago
the pianist looks so much like elvin jones.
marche111 1 year ago
Would love to hear Benny or James solo as well!
brewermfnyc 1 year ago
Wew! Go Freddy go!
MrModernswing 2 years ago
haha i love what benny does at 1:10
TyedSoul 2 years ago 23
@TyedSoul it's all about the elbow
SeriousPieEnthusiast 1 year ago
Hubbard--waw always brimming with ideas.
joeb434 2 years ago
best stablemates I heard,and I love freddie, is from the miles davis quintet with john ,paul,philly,miles and red
dreadtodred 2 years ago 2
The brother is killing!!!!
jazz1bro 2 years ago
Now Freddie and Tony are reunited with James Williams... Love to all of you!
JeniseGrice 2 years ago
Wow!!!! Freddie we will miss you. R.I.P
martinplayer4u 3 years ago
Freddie Hubbard has inspired me for 40 years and he still inspires me. Freddie Lives!!!
meirrose 3 years ago
You were either trying to be funny and didn't quite pull it off, or you're incredibly unhip.
conguera 3 years ago
This is the reason why there isn´t anything more beautiful,deep,and soulful than JAZZ ,thank heaven and africa/american people for JAZZ.
bossanova64 3 years ago
I want to put a word in about Art Farmer. Farmer arose as a contemporary of Morgan, Donald Byrd, Blue Mitchell, and Brownie, and in his early career he did make recording in the HrdBop genre, but he went on to record with Gerry Mulligan, George Russell, Jim Hall, etc., and he is remembered as a guy whose mastery of ballad playing is beyond categorization. In other words, to merely plug him into the list of top hard bop trumpets doesn't do the man justice.
bminorscales 3 years ago
Discussing whether X, Y, or Z is good/better/best has nothing to with the fact that this is a truly enlivened solo by Hubbard, and it's a joy to have it captured on film. Yes, I would like it even better if it continued and captured Golson's solo also. Golson is a jazz hero. And regarding whether it's Cables or Williams on piano: For those who say it's Cables -- have you ever seen a photo of the man? Compare that to this clip -- the pianist is NOT George Cables.
bminorscales 3 years ago
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LMAO!!! Died at 70??? Maybe shouldn't have eaten so much Kentucky Fried Chicken
DarsowGolf 3 years ago
R I P Freddie 12/29/2008
famw 3 years ago
Bone THIS,Mr. "Smooth Jazz". You're kidding,right? God,I hope so-for your sake and the sake of your off-spring!
holdemjoe 3 years ago 2
Funny man
user3222 3 years ago
I see so much dissension in these posts-like "who's better." Jeezus. Anybody who can play to this kind of level gets my vote, be it Freddie, Miles, Fats, Pops, Eldridge, Birks, Brownie, Maynard, Harrell, Jack Sheldon, Chet Baker, Terell Stafford, Ingrid Jensen, Jay Thomas, Willie Thomas, Floyd Standifer, Blue Mitchell, Lee Morgan, Dorham, the list goes on and on. On THIS video, it's Freddie Hubbard, Playing his ass off. Shut up and transcribe the solo, all you no-playin'-mf-ers!!!!
saxforth 3 years ago 16
@saxforth you forgot bix
lennietristanojazz 5 months ago
lol at Benny 1:10-1:12!!! great music!!!
HoustonMills 3 years ago 5
i know benny golson is awesome for that move lol. everytime i play this i'm gonna do that.
altosaxbeboper09 3 years ago
that's beautiful...cat is just feelin it !
Benny's one of the coolest and his MELODIES.
Yeah Benny.
stillphil 3 years ago
that was awesome and Freddie Hubbard is a beautiful player, but why don't we get to see Benny Golson solo on his own tune??
joebandana 4 years ago 3
damn, let golson solo.
i absolutely just fell in love with this song, if anyone has the lead sheet, could you please PM me?
kylegeee 4 years ago
Thanks for representing Freddie!
soul1axe 4 years ago
Damn Brian, you denied me "The Memphis Madman's" solo, but Freddie's romp sure put a smile on my face! R.I.P, J.W.
Fusionhead 4 years ago
Why does everyone always forget about Fats Navarro?
gerdex 4 years ago
Freddie is off the chain....
KBeaswax 4 years ago
Affirmative ... James Williams. I miss him, really. James was such a kindly person as well as a moving composer.
fulster2 5 years ago
There's a really cool version of this song on the Miles Davis album "The New Miles Davis Quintet" with his first great quintet with Coltrane
MilesTrane21 5 years ago
When comparing each player down through the generations etc you have to take into account the equipment / instruments
WELLBRAN 5 years ago
Best bop trumpeters..
Clifford brown
Lee Morgan
Freddie hubbard
Art farmer
Blue mitchell
shire2005 5 years ago
I think you need to put Booker Little in there alongside Brownie. IMHO he was his equal and certainly "better" than Art Farmer. Besides which you can't compare these guys this way since it's different music, Lee and Freddie are hardboppers and Brownie and Booker never had the chance to evolve to that. Maybe they would have and maybe not. Kenny Dorham never quite made the transition comfortably.
kingpleasure 5 years ago
Have you ever heard a Kenny Dorham tune? He was one of the most original and prolific composers of the hard bob era. A lot people struggle with his tunes to this day.
bassdomb 5 years ago
WTF?? What about Dizzy? He created bop trumpet and we're leaving off Kenny Dorham and Booker Little. All those people are great but Dizzy INVENTED the way they play the trumpet. I'm not saying they don't have their own stlye or didn't make their own personal contribution but it all started with Dizzy and Bird.
MilesTrane21 4 years ago
You saying that is as narrow minded as someone saying everything comes from a later guy. It all started with Dizzy and Bird? You need to listen to some 30's and 40's small group jazz - Dizzy came out of Roy Eldridge, and Lester Young was playing what we would call bebop more than a decade before Bird. They're great, but don't create a cutoff point where there isn't one.
skarz67 4 years ago
Sorry, I have learned a lot since then and I don't believe what I said back then about it all coming from Bird and Dizzy. However, he does need to be on that list as he did directly inspire all of those guys.
MilesTrane21 4 years ago
what an amazing rhythm section.. my god...
lininho 5 years ago
freddie's absolutely killin'. but you can't just say he's the baddest and drop somethin' like that. ever heard of louis armstrong? clifford brown?
ourmanritter 5 years ago
james williams on keys - i list all the personell in the video description
eatsleeptrumpet 5 years ago
I absolutley positive thats George Cables on piano
markbra 5 years ago
haha alright man, think what you may - i watched this video WITH freddie the other day. its james williams.
eatsleeptrumpet 5 years ago 7
@eatsleeptrumpet can't beat a guy who actually watched with freddie! ha!
randomlightningman 1 year ago
@eatsleeptrumpet -- Having seen both live and up close a few decades ago, I too was caught up for a minute thinking it was Cables, so I'm sympathetic to Markbra.
latebop 1 year ago
You're absolutely wrong - it's James Williams.
EricScottReed 4 years ago
i think thats George Cables on piano
markbra 5 years ago
You know Freddie himself says that Lee had something that he didn't have. However, Freddie's technique, his harmonic acuity, his ability to play in any context and formulate complete sentences of the utmost breadth, his Tranelike lines, are just so vastly beyond where Lee went. I think Lee might have been a better composer and bandleader had he lived, but listen to Freddie with Art and Lee with Art--no comparison!
jlevinson6 5 years ago
I don't know what you're trying to prove. Lee Morgan was far superior playing with Art Blakey than Freddie Hubbard ever was. Lee gelled with this group better than anyone, and he was the ultimate soul trumpeter of the late 1950's to 1960's. He endlessly flowed soul lines that fit what Art Blakey wanted to prove. Listen to Roots and Herbs, The Witch Doctor, The Freedom Rider, and you'll realize the incredible jazz vocabulary pumped into Lee's solos. There will never be a more fitting Messenger.
GMan5589 3 years ago
Lee Morgan a superior player????
This is music GMan5589.
Everyone is an individual
"Lee Morgan was far superior playing with Art Blakey than Freddie Hubbard ever was."
Freddie Hubbard, Clifford Brown, Randy Brecker, Chris Botti, and Fats Navaro all have something in common.
jmotz3 3 years ago
Hard to disagree, but Lee Morgan wasn't any slouch either, and some consider him the badder of the two. IMHO both were touched by the hand of the master, Art Blakey, and both could burn. If it's a race, I rate them neck and neck, but Jazz is so profound an art form that it's really impossible to treat it like a contest and limit greatness to only one player.
kingpleasure 5 years ago
yeah... its a tough one. lee may have had more heart at times, but freddie could get around the horn like nobodys business.
eatsleeptrumpet 5 years ago
Man put down that gin glass, no one can ever come close to LEE.I recently revised :"seach for the new land : by LEE and it put me a coma for 45 minutes.Lee is is Lee.
zeemann 5 years ago
@eatsleeptrumpet Forgot about that Woody Shaw guy? haha. In all seriousness your right as Mike Brecker said when working with Lovano and Liebman "It's not a battle a peaceful meeting of souls making music."
littlebones18 1 year ago
@eatsleeptrumpet yeah but were are ranking them, putting coke on your lips could be considered cheating...lol like steroids in baseball. But im with you guys, theres no competition... just a lot of good music made and being made.
dankeewolnir4042 1 year ago
Freddie Hubbard is a best bebop trumpeter EVER
ZHeN1984 5 years ago