Lack of progress inhibits a nation's potentials for improvement and advancement needed to succeed. Filipinos have the capacity to fulfill their potentials but without the means, they plateau and ends up poor. High Birth Rate is not to blame and RH or Abortion is not the solution, but on the contrary the more Babies born the better for a country because it's the population that makes for the Supply and Demand system work. I blame corruption. Make the people your priority not your fat bank accoun
Before Jesus Christ is born... Catholic church did so many crimes / lies / corruptions / child abuse / selfishness just to get their own interest... And bully... the priest don't understant that having a lot of childs are not good for the family especially if your poor
I am pro RH bill, the senate should stop delaying and start enforcing this bill already. If the Philippines want to be on the same league with Malaysia and Thailand they should start working on it now
TRAYDOR KA PNOY!!!!!! MAG RESIGN KA NA LANG!!!!! HINDI NA KAMI MAKAKATAGAL NG APAT NA TAON PA SA BALUKTOT NA LIDER!!!!! NAMIMIGAY KA NG MILYONES NA PERA SA KALABAN !!!!!!! HABANG ANG MGA NASALANTA NG KALAMIDAD AY HINDI MO MAN LANG MABIGYAN KAHIT ISANG KILONG BIGAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WALA KANG KWENTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nakakatawa makipagdebate sa mga NARROW MINDED RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS. you'll never win with them. always bringing up their god or their holy literature in the arguments. FUCKING IDIOTS.
weirdos with imaginary friends (i.e. jesus, allah, etc.) loose your mental virginity, please.
@lonasjd Your language itself betrays your utter arrogance, even without considering religious foundation. Simply observe, use your five senses or common sense if you have, look, read and stay in these countries with RH BILL, abortion, divorce and see the results, are they heading to be truly human or degenerating back into brutes?
I can't believe in the light of advancements in science, medicine, technology and moral philosophy that some parts of the world are still utterly cloaked in the darkness of this medieval superstition, and the fact that it has this much control over the government is just pitiful.
@apablo its you who should read, review your "moral" philiosophy? I doubt my friend if you thoroughly understand the foundation of your moral point of view, your understanding of medieval history "superstition", and your so called advancements in science without direction?
How's this for moral philosophy: Advancements in science and medicine that effectively reduces human suffering and poverty, and gives women the right over their own bodies and remove them from the animal cycle of breeding, should be promoted.
Catholic Church: "Nope, this is the devil's work" - this is stupidity of the highest degree, and might I add, EVIL. YOU, my friend, are the one who needs to understand the foundation of your moral point of view
@apablo If Catholic Church to you is plain superstition, and a devil's work, then your understanding of the teachings your church, if you have any against the Catholic Church must be totally misplaced and /or contradictory. But, wonder where and from whom you got the definition of the "devil's work", when religion are for YOU idiots? You tend to disagree the religious idiots, but accept that its religion that define the devil and place the demarcation line of the devils work?
@danserrano100 Obviously you didn't understand what I was writing about in regards to the "devil's work", given the unbelievable stupidity of your reply (I can't believe I need to explain this as I would to a child, sheesh). I was referring to how the catholic church sees some advancements in science/technology as "the devil's work", it was not meant to refer to my belief as I don't actually think the devil exists, this is nothing but superstition, along with any other religion. Now...TRY AGAIN!
@apablo Your illogical arguments betrays your ignorance, claiming to be of an adult intelligence: NO CHURCH OR RELIGION WHO BUILD SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES OFFERING SCIENCES/TECHNOLOGY CLAIM THEY OFFER DEVILS WORK? ; You actually think, religion and now the devil are plain superstition. Review the basis of your illogical thoughts and understanding.
@danserrano100 Although most Filipino universities are started by the church, universities are, by tradition & design, largely secular. It is under constant intellectual growth as it accommodates new discoveries and ideas, some of which are considered heresies by the church. Thankfully, the increasingly scientific world will no longer put up with theocratic bullying and indoctrination, as the church did in the past and apparently still does. Now it just has to sit back and shut its mouth.
@apablo No church will ever shut its mouth, when human greed in the guise of scientific discovery tramples human dignity. Science and technology geared towards inventions of nuclear bombs, chemical warfares, advance technology that steals individual identity and invade privacy are backward scientific world that normal human beings even atheist or humanist have to stop.
@danserrano100 Science is a tool that can be used for either good or evil. To say that science is bad because bad people put it to use for evil is stupid. Nuclear explosives can be useful. Chemicals used for warfare often have medicinal and industrial origins. And don’t speak of greed when your church’s headquarters is a grand palace housed in a castle, decorated by money collected from selling of prayers for souls in purgatory (what a greedy, evil doctrine…)
@apablo Science itself is not good or evil. Who sets the standard of good and evil? It can not be left to man alone? for what is good to one may be bad to the other depending upon which interest is affected. The church has abhorred greed being one of the cardinal sins. If the church headquarters is rich it does not mean it is greedy. In fact the church has plenty of missionaries and assistance to war torn and calamity stricken areas.
@danserrano100 Who sets the standard of good and evil? WE DO. Through ongoing, continual, rational discussion. If there is a conflict of interest, we negotiate/discuss in a hopefully, reasonable and peaceful manner to come up with a solution. Humans decide morality. It is innate in us. Being good to one another, not committing murder, etc. these existed BEFORE Abraham, before Moses and the ten commandments, before Jesus, We came up with it, and that's why we still view them as good to this day
As social animals, it was an evolutionary advantage for us to become helpful to one another to survive. We carry those instincts to this day. Some of us will act according to this principle (good people), some will not (bad people). Good people will act good, Bad people will act bad. But if you want good people to act bad, you need religion/faith. I follow morality, which is doing what's right despite what people tell me, not religion, which is doing what you are told despite of what's right
@danserrano100 Secular humanists also have institutions that assist those in need. Amnesty International, for example. They do not, however, have a lavish palace as headquarters. Also, greed, to a certain degree, is a good thing. The drive to be successful and to be competitive is what drives human industry and economy. Simple survival will not be possible without understanding that acquiring money/goods is necessary. It only gets bad when it reaches a point where it becomes very destructive.
@danserrano100 Show any evidence that the devil, a personal being responsible for all evil, actually does exist. Whatever, I don’t even need tangible evidence, just give a good argument for a reason to believe that the devil exists, and I’ll consider the thought. Until then, yes, I think the devil is nothing but superstition, an imagined character, a fairytale, just like the religion your church is based on.
@apablo War, murder, rape, drugs, trafficking of women and children and man's inhumanity to himself and his fellow human beings, if not a devils work or proof of its existence, then those victims should not cry for a God of peace and justice. Your quest for God or the Devil, if viewed as spiritual beings, may not be satisfied by human reason alone. Because spirits by nature can not be seen by your telescope or found in the microscope. Try to read St. Thomas Aquinas 5 ways to prove God exist!
"War, murder, rape, drugs, trafficking of women and children and man's inhumanity” – all of which are championed by the Catholic Church. War = Crusades. Murder = Inquisition. Rape = molestation of children by priests. Trafficking of women and children = Slavery, of which the church was a strong proponent of. Etc.etc.These are not proof of the Devil, but proof of the miserable state of nature and human condition, the elimination of which, religion, has done nothing but slow down
@apablo You have seen the sins of human beings in the church, but that is not the church itself. The Catholic Church just like any other groups or community of human beings have sinners and saints. She never championed man's inhumanity to his fellowmen. On the contrary, the Church is willing to be crucified like Christ that others may live and see the light.
@danserrano100 Religious babble. You never refuted the points I wrote, you instead ignore it and make claims which you can't support with proof. You don't seem to know the rules of logical argument. I find it very time-consuming and annoying.
@apablo "Proof of miserable state of nature and human condition, the elimination of which, religion has done nothing but slow down"- You admit human reason alone can lead to miserable state of nature. Its human beings that could freely choose to wage war, murder, rape,abuse drugs, molestation of children. Sadly, until now, medical science or human reason, psychology or psychiatry failed to stop and invent a medicine to eliminate miserable state of nature. At least the church can slow down,good!
@danserrano100 I didn't say that human reason leads to a miserable state of nature, the state of nature is innately miserable, it is miserable even without humans, just look at how animals have to starve and suffer. Human reason attempts to get us out of that miserable state. "medical science or human reason...failed to stop and invent a medicine to eliminate miserable state of nature" - Oh, so medicine does not help eliminate the miserable state of nature???
@danserrano100 So getting rid of smallpox, among the uncountable other accomplishments in medicine does not help alleviate the miserable state of nature? If you cannot see the stupidity of your comment, I'm afraid I can't help you and there is no point to this argument. And I said, the church SLOWS DOWN THE ELIMINATION of the miserable state of nature, if not make it worse. Please read my comments more carefully next time.
@danserrano100 Oh, and drugs. Drugs are good. Abusing drugs is bad. Tell that to the clergy involved in the documented involvement of the catholic church with numerous crime syndicates, including the mafia...
@apablo The involvement of some clergy is not involvement of the Church itself. Similarly, the crime of a member of a family is not the crime of the family itself.
@danserrano100 "the crime of a member of a family is not the crime of the family itself" - the only thing you wrote that makes logical sense. Bravo. Unfortunately, this analogy does not work with the church, because it has a member that by DOGMA (Again, I suggest you read them), is INFALLIBLE. Every edict the pope gives ex cathedra is never wrong and is the ruling of the CHURCH herself. You are either misinformed about the dogma of infallibility or you choose to ignore it for your convenience
@danserrano100 Those victims cry for God because they have been infected by religion to think that one exists (what happens to those pleas anyway? NOTHING. Not all of them cry to your god, btw). They cry for justice because humans, as pattern seeking animals, have an innate sense of balance, equality, of which our sense of justice is based on, not because there is a god (Notice, that my arguments are TESTABLE, which is the basis for rational thinking, unlike ANY of your supernatural arguments)
@apablo Only those victims of injustice who survive can attest the strength of their faith. All of those who survive after the concentrations camps of Hitler, never claim their innate sense of balance helped them survived. Its their faith, prayers and their hope despite the hopeless situation facing a mad man claiming to have innate balance, equality; by eliminating the inferior race through gas chambers, in modern times translate to RH Bill eliminate the population of the poor and the dumb.
@danserrano100 Funnily enough, the jewish holocaust started the rise in secularism within the jewish community, because the survivors could not imagine an all-powerful, loving god that would allow such monstrosity. Thank you for pointing that out. And they didn't survive because of their faith, they survived because Hitler lost the war. I'm annoyed by your constant attempts in making dramatic but very inaccurate statements. Please stop this
@danserrano100 Comparing the RH bill to Hitler's holocaust is a wonderful piece of illogic. How many people do you think will be murdered because of this bill's passing? Eliminating the population of the poor and the dumb is a GOOD THING, through education and family planning, not through murder, as you keep implying, What fair-minded individual would come to such a conclusion - ie. what is wrong with you??
@danserrano100 “spiritual beings, may not be satisfied by human reason alone” – exactly what I meant by faith being the surrender of reason. Basing your actions on beliefs that cannot be proven or have no evidence for is STUPID and DANGEROUS, or what we would call DELUSIONAL. And the argument that 'something cannot be observed, therefore it is true' (which seems to be your argument) is the literal, exact manifestation of IRRATIONALITY. Unicorns cannot be observed, does that mean they're true?
@apablo Reason and Faith are co-relatives. One can not exist without the other. Faith not grounded in Reason is fanaticism. Reason not leading to Faith leads to an abyss of doubts. That is delusional, human reason alone is dangerous like Hitler or Mao tse Tung or marx, Nietzche and other atheist and agnostics. Their overweening pride of their intellect carries with them the seed of self destruction and humanity at large,
"Reason and Faith are co-relatives. One can not exist without the other. Faith not grounded in Reason is fanaticism. Reason not leading to Faith leads to an abyss of doubts" - You cannot keep coming up with nonsensical claims and expect me to accept them as reasonable, do you? This is pseudo-logic at its best. Reason and Faith are mutually exclusive. Reason/Logic operates on proof. Faith does not need proof. See the difference? And doubts are good. It keeps us on a constant search for the truth.
@danserrano100 Hitler and Mao, and Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. all rose to power after conquering a population of people who were previously very faithful/religious/superstitious, and managed to use this to their advantage. All of them, under the pretense of secularism, effectively replaced the worship of god with the worship of the state, and the worship and deifying of the state's leader. Those government were not as secular as you think, and definitely not founded on the highlights of human reason
@danserrano100 haha Thomas Aquinas? NONE of his Quinque viae is proof of god’s existence. They are not proofs, or answers, but merely extending the questions already asked, MOST of which, have better explanations accounted for by science, not to mention they are logically unsound to begin with. Prime mover? The Big Bang. What moved that, we don’t know YET. Teological argument for Design?? Our human bodies alone are riddled with uneconomical design, how stupid must the designer be?
@apablo Thank you for the mockery. I still consider St. Thomas Aquinas 5 ways as good starting point for human reason to arrive in understanding God exists. I submit: FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO FAITH NO REASON IS SUFFICIENT; THOSE WHO BELIEVE NO EXPLANATION IS NEEDED.
@danserrano100 If I mocked Aquinas, my apologies. But I maintain my position that Aquinas never gave proof of god, but merely restated the questions already being asked. That's not proof. And if anything, those "proofs" pose the probability that a creator god may exist, but saying that we know its will, ie. how we should dress, eat, who do we marry, love, hate, etc., is skipping a huge portion of the process of arriving to a logical conclusion. I prefer using the word "DELUSIONAL"
@danserrano100 "THOSE WHO BELIEVE NO EXPLANATION IS NEEDED" - this is the essence of religious fanaticism. This is exactly what I meant when I said that Faith is the enemy of Reason. There is no need to think critically, to discuss, to investigate, to discover, etc. because one assumes he has enough understanding already. With this kind of thinking, one can commit terrible atrocities: he does need to explain his actions to anyone, he has faith. Science and the thirst for innovation stops.
@danserrano100 I'm sorry, but unlike you, I want to live with a state of mind in which I will never know everything, I always want to know more. I want to operate under the assumption that I am always in the brink of discovering something better, something more, something closer to the truth, a truth that I always come closer to, but never reach. I will not settle for the claims of delusional people, saying they have the explanation to everything. That is a horrible and pointless way to live.
@apablo Einstein in his scientific discernment recognize the fact that God does not play a dice. Even evolutionist Darwin never claim that God does not necessarily exist. I wonder which branch of sciences, psychology or psychiatry have better explanations? I am thankful for my human body in all its part. A Creator must have greatly designed every human beings equally unique and different. Otherwise monotony may kill us.
@danserrano100 Einstein and Darwin were correct in claiming that science does not necessarily disprove the existence of a god. They do, however, agree with me that people claiming to know the will of this god, if he/she/it exists, are delusional. You and members of your church, and anyone who belongs to an organized religion, fall under this category of people.
Also, as you are responding to a video about an issue in the Philippines, I'm assuming you are filipino. PLEASE respond in tagalog or any other filipino dialect because that I can understand. Your terrible, terrible english, however, is very hard to decipher; it's like reading heiroglyphs. As I'm actually enjoying arguing about this, I think it will be better continued if you can actually understand what I'm saying, which you obviously don't (no worries, I can't understand your writing neither).
@apablo RH Bill ay mali, hindi lang dahil salungat sa utos ng ilang simbahan, kundi walang naidudolot na kabutihan sa isipan ng tao, sa pamilya at kahit pa sa pagpapayaman ng isang bansa. Itoy nasubukan na sa iilang bansa at napatunayang nagbibigay daan sa aborsyon, diborsyo, at kawalang galang sa dangal ng tao. Ngayon lang napatunayan mo, sa iyong ag iisip, at pananalita,gaano ka kulang ang pag iintindi ng mga sumusuporta sa RH Bill.
@danserrano100 Quite the contrary; if there is anything we have learned from other countries that adopted some form of statute similar to the RH bill, it is that IT WORKS in reducing poverty, spread of STDs, and the indignation of women. The UN supports it. It leads to abortion? how? how can there be a child to abort if pregnancy never happened in the first place because of proper education and effective contraceptives?
@apablo Condom, contraceptives enriches the manufacturers, not the poor people. It works yes, in reducing the population of the poor whose real wealth is their children. RH Bill is not a guarantee for safe sex> On the contrary it promotes sexual promiscuity, thereby makes women as mere sex object. The UN support does not make it right. Just as UN supports war, does not necessarily mean a just war. RH Bill would lead to abortion because it does not assure pregnancy would never happen.
@danserrano100 Who do the manufacturers employ to manufacture contraceptives?! THE PEOPLE! Of course they get enriched, they get paid, that's how economies work, we need that! (Man, can you make smarter points, its frustrating typing these long answers for really stupid points). That’s what the R.P. needs right now, stable sources of income. Of course the business owners will get bigger shares, that’s how businesses generally work, I don’t fully agree with it, but that’s another topic...
@apablo Manufacturers can also employ robots, computers and machines, not necessarily human beings. You see why some workers have to occupy the wall street of New York? Human labor has no dignity in a profit oriented economy that promotes the culture of death. In fact, the trend of manufacturer is contractual labor. How can human beings be enriched? In a culture of unbridled greed money is important than human life.
@danserrano100 And who do you think makes/maintains those robots, computers, machines? People, that's who. Businesses creates jobs, that's the bottom line. You cannot deny this (even though you try, laughably). Those protesters in Wall Street and everywhere else in the world are unhappy because of how business is being run, not because those businesses exist. You would rather have a large, poor population with no business to sustain them? Then you're promoting a culture of poverty and suffering.
@danserrano100 Can you present a reasonable argument for saying that the poor’s “real wealth is their children” rather than just stating your opinion? Can you honestly say that reducing the growth of poor, unplanned families will not reduce poverty?? The problem here is you attach a different meaning to "controlling the population", making it sound as if it involves killing already existing people or families, when it simply means reducing the unreasonable number of people to feed per family
@apablo Wealth, for real Christians, is not the abundance of material things that does not translate to real happiness which are transitory. But relationship in a community of human beings with diversified talents, characters, traits and attitudes united in LOVE regardless of economic status or intellectual achievement. Not conformity to the rich by reducing the number of the poor. The church is always against unplanned families.
@danserrano100 "Wealth, for real Christians, is not the abundance of material things that does not translate to real happiness which are transitory. But relationship in a community of human beings with diversified talents, characters, traits and attitudes united in LOVE regardless of economic status or intellectual achievement" - You are describing decent human beings in general, not just christians. What a self-righteous, conceited thing to say.
"Not conformity to the rich by reducing the number of the poor" - You have a very misguided view on the dynamics of wealth and how the RH bill will affect it. It will not reduce the poor by eliminating people in a Hitler-like fashion as you seem to sadly cannot get out of your narrow mind. Rather, it will reduce the poor by making families able to sustain themselves financially by not being so unreasonably big, thus raising them above the poverty line. Why are you against reducing poverty?
@apablo The church adopts natural family planning not necessarily to control the population, but for married couple to be responsible for the number of children they can afford to love and care for.
@danserrano100 Ummm, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but that is exactly what the RH bill is aimed at doing. Do you even know what the RH bill is?? You're church on the other hand, seems to be against family planning, when you hear its proponents saying "well, god told us to multiply so we plan on having 15 kids, even though we can't afford it. God will provide!!"
@danserrano100 “Safe sex” means sexual intercourse with a low risk of contracting diseases or unwanted pregnancy, a medical term, a term promoted by RH bill. It is different from the moral topic of objectification of women (which religion has always been guilty of violating), which is not a result of promiscuity, but a result of men’s attitude towards women (men can be promiscuous, yet it rarely leads to their objectification). This is a fallacious argument against the RH bill.
@apablo Now you admit it RH Bill promotes "Safe sex" in quotation marks. Almost all countries with artificial contraceptives and men or women practicing "safe sex" by reason of artificial contraceptives have the highest rate of contracting disease STD, AIDS, and unwanted pregnancy.
@danserrano100 "Almost all countries with artificial contraceptives and men or women practicing "safe sex" by reason of artificial contraceptives have the highest rate of contracting disease STD, AIDS, and unwanted pregnancy" Again, this proves how you keep making statements despite proof. See, the modern world operates on proof; it cannot take faith in statements like what you make without proof. Stop inventing statistics, please.
@danserrano100 Here's proof contrary to your self-invented statistics:
ww.avert.org/std-statistics.htm
Notice that the highest incidence of STDs are in South/Southeast Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, places where reproductive health education is not prioritized and condoms/contraceptives are not easily accessible. Notice how these places are also afflicted with poverty and overpopulation in concentrated areas. Coincidence??
@danserrano100 And the fact that you hilariously pointed out that it makes "women" promiscuous, without the thought that sex involves men too (ie. it would make men promiscuous also) betrays your personal sexism and objectification of women. Did it ever occur to you that men can be sex objects too? Of course not. Not surprising, since you are a christian...are wives supposed to submit to the will of their husbands too in your point of view? haha what a croc
@apablo I have always look at women as equal partner of men. In fact I always viewed all men are born equal. Yes, men can be sex objects too, are we going to allow this practice of using the weak for the pleasure of the strong?
@danserrano100 "are we going to allow this practice of using the weak for the pleasure of the strong?" - Haha isn't that Christianity in a nutshell? Weak, worthless humanity created for the praise and glory of an almighty god?
@apablo God will never allow the world to be overcrowded. Because God has come up with natural ways to control the population. God uses women as instruments of population control in the form of:
1.) Vaginismus -involuntary tightening of vaginal muscles, making intercourse painful for a woman.
2.) Dry Vagina
3.) Thick Hymen
4.) Infertility
Those physical conditions PROVE that God is indeed a MALE and dislikes artificial forms of birth control. Let's put our trust in God.
@maypakialam See, I have come across enough religious nutcases that I have lost the ability to tell if someone is being serious or being humorous in a sarcastic way. If you are joking, then you're f***ing brilliant. Although I doubt the dryness of a vagina would keep men away from it.
If you are being serious, then I'm afraid you can't be helped, not by me at least. Only God can help you. You can ask danserrano100 to pray to Him on your behalf, they're good friends apparently.
@apablo I am serious. God is indeed a male because:
1.) If God is a female, she would never inflict women with painful intercourse. She would merely inflict them with infertility. Her empathy towards women's feelings will always prevail.
2.) It is known in history that men treat women as property. If God inflicts a woman with primary vaginismus, thick hymen or dry vagina, then she is meant to control the population. Her vagina is God's property.
@maypakialam Ah ok. So God is a male. Can you please enlighten me on the question of whether he has a penis and testicles? As you may know, there is a staggeringly wide variety of forms of penis in the animal kingdom; is His mammalian? Does it resemble a human penis? If it does, did he use it to impregnate Mary? In this case, can you still refer to Jesus' birth as a virgin birth? Please enlighten me oh wise one.
@FiIipinoUnggoy That video you showed me will not stop overpopulation. People always have the option to not watch it. God will never allow the world to be overcrowded. Vaginismus is one of God's ways of controlling the population. God is anti-RH Bill.
@FiIipinoUnggoy God is NOT a virgin. He gave birth to his only begotten son named Jesus Christ by impregnating Mary. God used his own penis. It is called the HOLY SPIRIT.
HOLY SPIRIT = God's Penis.
By the way, do yo believe in God and Jesus? Don't let the Evolution Theory fool you.
@maypakialam yes indeed, i recall an art show at the ccp where there was a holy spirit sticking out of jesus's head LOL.. it was very controversial indeed
@apablo Submit to the will of the husband? Are you taking it literally from the Bible? Wives are equal partners of their husband. In fact, oftentimes I observed most Filipino husbands submit to their wives.
@danserrano100 Yes, I'm taking it literally from the Bible, both from old and new testaments. Are you saying that the Catholic Church does not follow the tenets of the Bible??
@danserrano100 I would listen to the UN if I were you. It is not perfect, and they never claimed to be, NOT LIKE YOUR CHURCH, but it is the best form of international governance we have for now, and would definitely give you better advice than any religious organization. “RH Bill would lead to abortion because it does not assure pregnancy would never happen” - You just love making illogical arguments, don't you? Please review that statement, because it's not worthy of a reply, seriously...
@apablo RH Bill whose intention is to control population through accessible artificial contraceptives would lead to sexual promiscuity for men and women alike this can lead to unwanted pregnancy, when contraceptives sometimes fail. This abortion happens even in industrialized countries advocating widespread artificial contraceptives.
@danserrano100 There are many causes of divorce but promoting reproductive health is not one of them, if anything it will reduce divorce, because it will reduce the number of marriages performed solely because of social pressure after someone got impregnated by accident, which eventually leads to unhappy marriages. And why is divorce bad anyway? if you are unhappy with the person you're with, should you stay with them?
@apablo several couples have separated after the wife underwent tubal ligation. Confident they won't get pregnant some indulges illicit sex. RH Bill would all the more promote it.
@danserrano100 How does it violate human dignity? Is there anything dignified about a family of 13 cramped up in a small house in the squalor of the slums because mom n dad aren't educated enough in family planning and does not have the means to invest in it? Seriously, besides religious nonsense, I have yet to hear a truly good argument against the RH bill (other than increased taxes, then again, this is greatly outweighed by the the benefits and will pay itself back in the end).
@apablo Natural family planning is good education, but pro RH would not encourage it because no medical laboratories makes money or spend money to lobby for it. There are poor families more than 15 and they are happy with their dignity intact. They don't consider poverty of money a hindrance to love each other, but an opportunity to share the little they have and the opportunity to sacrifice for the good of the other.
@danserrano100 I had the misfortune of growing up in a poor family of six. I can only imagine 15. It was a miserable childhood. Of course, there were many moments of happiness and love shared between my family, but DO NOT INSULT US by saying we would never have loved and sacrificed for the good of the other if we were not suffering. This is a sick, disgusting and sadistic idea you are promoting, saying it's ok for people to suffer otherwise they will be less loving and empathic, shame on you!
@apablo i do consider you very lucky with the opportunity of being in a family of six. You achieve an education by your own effort, so excellent to the point that you may not have relied in a God our church always believe to have given us the grace of everything we are. A family of one or two though materially rich does not always translate to fortune, but their wealth may be source of misery. I HAVE NO INTENTION TO INSULT ANYONE! BUT YOUR LANGUAGE INSULTED OUR CHURCH bec. it is against RH
@danserrano100 I have no intention of directly insulting you, except perhaps your reliance on faith over reason, and your inability to grasp that you can't just simply make statements and not offer any evidence or simple logical proof. Other than that, I have nothing against you. I have something against you church though, as I think it is an insult to humanity
@apablo Thank you for your keen observation of "terrible, terrible english". Congratulation to your self serving claim that this anti RH Bill could not understand. But you and your self proclaimed intellectual minions failed to persuade the anti-RH Bill advocates, because of your overweening intelligence that you failed to see the SIMPLE TRUTH among the ignorant and the dumb!
@danserrano100 "advancement in science without direction"
how about reducing human misery and suffering? eradicating diseases? how's that for dierection? religious idiots these days enjoy all the benefits of the advancements in science and medicine such as simple knowledge in proper nutrition to viral vaccinations and cures for deadly diseases, then condemn the advancements that go against the teachings of their backward, misogynist, cruel, sadomasochistic superstition. Enough of this!
@apablo You are so unique, I have never read or heard the Catholic church or any religion preaches or teaches against science, medicine and even technology that promotes and eradicates human misery? How can the church teachings be so backward, misogynist, cruel, sadomasochistic superstition? When the Catholic church and other churches build schools and universities offering courses of all branches of sciences? Review your history and current events?
@danserrano100 Are you kidding me??! This cannot be a serious question. You havent heard or read of any religion that preaches against science/technology/medicine that alleviates human misery? Really?! I'm not answering that question...
Well for starters: misogynist: Women cannot be priests, wives must submit to their husbands
cruel/sadomasochistic: For a very long time, was PRO slavery; without suffering, there cannot be atonement for sins; we MUST fear and love some divine boss simultaneously
@apablo am not kidding, its your lack or misguided understanding of the church practices and tradition, the FAITH AND REASON for its being, that's kidding you.
@danserrano100 Funny how you put those two words together; FAITH and REASON, two concepts that are almost entirely antonymic. Faith is the enemy, and the surrender, of Reason. It is conviction of something that at the very foundation, not only has no proof, but at times, is contrary to the proof and evidence. There can be no room for intellectual, reasonable, and logical debate if faith is included in the equation (which sadly, seems to be the discussion we're having now thanks to you)
@danserrano100 If by ‘reason’ you meant ‘purpose’, not ‘the faculties of a rational mind’ like I assumed, then it’s much simpler. At the very start of it, the church was established by the roman emperor Constantine as the state religion to garner approval and political control over the empire, which by the way, marked the beginning of the Dark Ages. It's not a coincidence that the stupidest era in human thinking next to the Stone Ages came about after the rise of this church.
@apablo If history lies the reason Constantine established the church as state religion, PURELY for approval and political control over empire, then you are correct. But history books coined the words IN HOC SIGNO VINCI, BY THE SIGN OF THE CROSS YOU SHALL CONQUER. If this is not a miracle , but plain coincidence. Then who invented those historical statements? It is not the church that cause the dark ages, its human pride and narcissistic tendency to forget God in times of prosperity.
@danserrano100 The history books say BY THE SIGN OF THE CROSS YOU SHALL CONQUER because either some historians lied to promote his story, or Constantine himself claimed he saw this vision. That does not prove the vision to be true. He might have lied about it and used this story as propaganda to boost morale, or he was hallucinating...I tend to go with the first
@danserrano100 Europe plunged into the dark ages exactly because it adopted Roman Catholicism, because they submitted their will and reason to this ideology that they lost the thirst for innovation and discovery, because instead of looking for better explanations, they were content with "God willed it"; instead of looking for real solutions, they were content with "pray for it". It is with the rise in HUMANISM during the Enlightenment that the west began to climb out of this dark hole
Galileo: "Evidence shows that the earth is round and that it revolves around the sun, not the other way around..."
Catholic Church: "Nope, you're wrong, it is clearly flat, and is the center of the universe, as it says so in the bible. you, Galileo, are a servant of the devil and is excommunicated. Be thankful we won't burn you at the stake. have fun in Hell."
@apablo Galileo with his discovery never claim, there is no God or the Catholic Church itself is wrong! Does the error of one or two priest or bishop and error of the Catholic church itself?
@danserrano100 Galileo, never did denounce God's existence with the discovery of the heliocentric solar system, yet the church still condemned him and his discoveries. Most of his work were not published under the church's command for hundreds of years after his death, and only til 1800s did it fully accept the truth of his discoveries, offering an apology for this fiasco only within the last decade or so, admitting they were in error.
This was the official verdict of the church as a whole, supported by the "infallible" pope of his time. DO NOT LIE saying that this was an error of a couple of bishops; YES, this was an error of the Catholic Church itself, among many other errors it has committed and has apologized for centuries later. Given that evidence from all over the globe indicate that passing the RH bill does help alleviate poverty, must Filipinos suffer another 200 years before the church apologizes for another mistake?
@apablo Review the authors of your history books they must be atheist or protestants staunch anti-catholics, designed to destroy the indestructible Catholic Church. This Catholic church i admit are made up of human beings its history is written with the saints and sinners alike in this temporal world. But the infallibility of the Pope of his time does not necessarily follow THE COLLEGE OF ALL CARDINALS AND THEOLOGIANS HAVE PRAYED, ARGUED AND ADOPTED IT.
@danserrano100 Haha of course not all the cardinals bought into the pope’s whim, the evidence was staring them in the face, seems like human reason prevails in some religious nutcases afterall. So does that mean the infallible pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth, is not infallible? Hmm what does that say about all the religious dogma approved by these fallible popes over the centuries, on which your church stands, maybe they’re not the edict of a “perfect, immutable God” after all…
@apablo Your making fun, not of the church itself or the human being administering her, but misguided understanding of the infallibility of the Pope. I have not read a Catholic Church Dogma designed to destroy human life and human dignity. But the Church designed for human wholeness may defy human law or the law of the King of England. That is why the Catholic Church have Saints, because it follows the Law God than the self claimed intelligent conceited human being.
Then your really need to read your Church dogmas. For starters, the dogma of Original Sin, that the "sin" (apparently eating fruits is a sin) of a couple who NEVER existed (as admitted by majority of pro-evolution bishops; Adam/Eve are just symbolic. BTW, it is another dogma that all humans came from this couple, literally. How stupid) is passed down to us, born and doomed with it not by our choice, then demanded to be better by becoming a slave to a wretched cult; where is the dignity in that?
@danserrano100 it almost, just barely, sounds like you are saying the church can be wrong at times (I understand you are nervous in actually admitting it). Understandable, if you are referring to some priest, or even cardinals, it would be ok to say they are in error. But if the pope, who is not only the highest authority, but under dogma, also supposed to be infallible, is repeatedly in error, and apologizes for it centuries later, what does that say about the truth of your church?
@apablo the church itself can not be wrong, human beings running it can be wrong. even a pope as a human being can be wrong, but not necessarily the church itself.
ITALY, where the catholic church started, had their RH Bill approved in 1970. Spain, France and Ireland all have their Universal RH approved decades ago.
@hsuson What's got to do with Italy. Philippine is not like Italy. USA is not like the Philippines. Japan is not like China. South Korea is not like North Korea. Get a clue my friend, turn off your television and start exercising your mind. If 82% of Pinoys wanted the RH Bill to pass, so the rest should shut up and take this RH Bill into their head as a legitimate and lawful law? Get a clue, if that's what you think. Then, remain to be allegiance to the State, and not to the Republic we stand!
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The RH Bill is still a hotly debated topic in the Philippines. Is it necessary? And is Henry Kissinger a mass murderer because of the UN population contral agenda as Eric Manalang claims.
Eric Manalang of pro Life once attempted to exorcise Satan from Filipino Freethinker Red Tani. Naturally their perspectives are opposed.
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Two clowns talking about the RH Bill. The RH Bill is just part of the UN Agenda 21. The Philippine mainstream medias are just a bunch of corporations trying to promote their brands, not products. I am very disappointed about this woman, Mrs. Winnie Monsod. I thought she's an expert, not only that she's a former professor If Im not mistaken. We all know this is not about roman catholic religion, and the RH Bill. This is about lifting Mother Earth first than humanbeings, the means of depopulation.
@Archraveful Mass genocide? Edi para sa'yo tulad pala ni hitler ang mga Americans, Europeans, at lahat ng mga tao mauunlad na bansa? Bulag. Blind follower.
@12todd1 Modern ways of killing the population, I would say lowering it to where it supposed to be, sa kanilang agenda for the 21st. Nanalo si Hitler sa democratic na paraan, so he was elected by the people. But he changed the entire Germans sa kanyang pamamahala, by means of protecting the nation from the communists. Ibig sabihin, centralized power of the German governments. By using such clever words, so people demand protection and safety from Fuhrer/Hitler. Hitler made sure they got it good!
@Archraveful You got it. Its quite odd, that the United Nations pushing such Bill. All of it, are all just part of this huge massive cabal running the entire world. I would say, silent population genocide in the name of empowering women. The main goal is to depopulate the earth, at first focusing the goal to a developing countries, where personal freedom, and of the press is nothing to be found. That's why the lower and middle class has no voice at all. For they are the class that must be slain.
@Archraveful There is no doubt the RH Bill is part of the Agenda 21 by our local and national leaders, run and managed by the United Nations. When our government signed the Agenda 21. The country is in contract with the United Nations. Many of our politicians has no clue what so ever of signing this RH Bill. Many of our people also believe, that government will help the people through RH Bill. If anyone criticizes this Bill, many politicians and citizens smeared. It is how they'll divide us all!
@Archraveful It looks like the future Philippines will still remain third country. But with what Nonoy's doing under the banner of Private-Public Partnership. It looks like we're moving forward for a new millenia of outsourcing our very own resources, education, governance, energy, in the name of global consensus towards greater good. If there's more to come, then. I would say, "sold out to global governance." The country's broke, that's why our gov't & corps working together like fascist state.
@gearzone2611 DEPOPULATION? more like stabilizing the population growth! do not focus on the thirs world countries my friend. kung gusto talaga nilang kitilin ang buhay ng mga nasa third worls, eh di dapat bagbagin na nila ang RH ng mayayamang bansa di ba?
@giocelino2 Depopulation is now called population stability? Well, that's new! Philippine is a third world country. Ginawa na nila po yan, at hanggang ngayon. When it comes to depopulation, experts and people in-charge of it ay hindi lang naman ibig sabihin lower the birth rate. It also meant social-engineering my friend. Maraming terms ang population control like, sensual freedom, women's rights, sexual revolution, equal rights, environment preserve etc.. Ginawa na 'to sa rich at poor nations.
@giocelino2 How do you define stabilized population growth? How many millions under your "stabilized population growth?" Get your facts straight, the country is a third world country! The reasons: poor governance, lack of economic freedom, unemployment, human capitals, no political will and economic power, education, energy, no freedom of the press, and the results with all these failed policies, "corruption" and many other dirty works. Tapos, you are prioritizing of controlling the population?
OPEN COMMON SENSE The outrageous desecration of God by an art extremist with sycophantic manifestations at the Philippine Cultural Center must be destroyed immediately.
@mannyandra that art in ccp was the representation of the priest acting as god, to claim everything that all should be under their so called morality!!!
The law and constitution were primarily created for people to establish RESPECT for peace and order. WE DO NOT NEED THE ART OF PROVOKING ANGER AND ANARCHY – WHAT WE NEED IS THE ART OF ENHANCING WISDOM TO SAVE OTHERS FROM IGNORANCE AND DAMNATION. It is therefore implored to immediately destroy the obnoxious garbage of art However, if no one could save the Lord again from the cross of insults then I would be the one to destroy the wooden penis of the abnormal artist and let him eat it.
SAVE OUR COUNTRY FROM DUMB EVIL SPIRIT SEEKING TO STIFLE RELIGIONS AND UNDERMINE OUR FAITH IN LORD JESUS CHRIST AS GOD. ONLY DUMB SPIRITS CANNOT RECOGNIZE THE LORD CHRIST AS GOD BECAUSE DEMONS ARE SO DUMB NOT TO KNOW HOW TO SET THEMSELVES FREE FROM THEIR INHERENT ABNORMABLITY.
In case you don’t know me, I was the one who set free all the political detainees last EDSA 1 thru wisdom. Also won a case against Ninoy’s prosecutor / persecutor (Judge Paño / Acorda) to prove wisdom is for greater than knowledge. LET GOD’S WISDOM SET YOU FREE!!!
PRES. NOYNOY AQUINO The outrageous desecration of God by an art extremist with sycophantic paranoia at the Philippine Cultural Center must be destroyed immediately.
The face of the Lord Jesus Christ was lasciviously painted with a male organ hanging beside his face. Another blasphemous exhibit was the Holy Family with a used condom highlighted with them.
The law and constitution were primarily created for people to establish RESPECT for peace and order. WE DO NOT NEED THE ART OF PROVOKING ANGER AND ANARCHY – WHAT WE ONLY NEED IS THE ART OF ENHANCING WISDOM TO SAVE OTHERS FROM IGNORANCE AND BARBARISM.
P.S. In case you don’t know me, I was the one who set free all the political detainees including myself last EDSA 1 thru wisdom. Also won a case against your Dad’s prosecutor / persecutor (Judge Paño / Acorda) to prove Wisdom is for greater than knowledge.
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Stupid religious bigots!
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Lack of progress inhibits a nation's potentials for improvement and advancement needed to succeed. Filipinos have the capacity to fulfill their potentials but without the means, they plateau and ends up poor. High Birth Rate is not to blame and RH or Abortion is not the solution, but on the contrary the more Babies born the better for a country because it's the population that makes for the Supply and Demand system work. I blame corruption. Make the people your priority not your fat bank accoun
JusticeForPinoys 5 days ago
no to rh bill!!!! pro life!!!
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Before Jesus Christ is born... Catholic church did so many crimes / lies / corruptions / child abuse / selfishness just to get their own interest... And bully... the priest don't understant that having a lot of childs are not good for the family especially if your poor
511ronald 2 months ago
I am pro RH bill, the senate should stop delaying and start enforcing this bill already. If the Philippines want to be on the same league with Malaysia and Thailand they should start working on it now
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pinoyfutbol 4 months ago
nakakatawa makipagdebate sa mga NARROW MINDED RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS. you'll never win with them. always bringing up their god or their holy literature in the arguments. FUCKING IDIOTS.
weirdos with imaginary friends (i.e. jesus, allah, etc.) loose your mental virginity, please.
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@lonasjd Your language itself betrays your utter arrogance, even without considering religious foundation. Simply observe, use your five senses or common sense if you have, look, read and stay in these countries with RH BILL, abortion, divorce and see the results, are they heading to be truly human or degenerating back into brutes?
danserrano100 4 months ago
Interesting discussion. I'm Filipino, married with kids and is a Catholic my entire life, but I'm 100% pro-RH bill.
Saicos76 4 months ago
Roman Catholicism = Slavery
I can't believe in the light of advancements in science, medicine, technology and moral philosophy that some parts of the world are still utterly cloaked in the darkness of this medieval superstition, and the fact that it has this much control over the government is just pitiful.
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo its you who should read, review your "moral" philiosophy? I doubt my friend if you thoroughly understand the foundation of your moral point of view, your understanding of medieval history "superstition", and your so called advancements in science without direction?
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 - typical religious babble.
How's this for moral philosophy: Advancements in science and medicine that effectively reduces human suffering and poverty, and gives women the right over their own bodies and remove them from the animal cycle of breeding, should be promoted.
Catholic Church: "Nope, this is the devil's work" - this is stupidity of the highest degree, and might I add, EVIL. YOU, my friend, are the one who needs to understand the foundation of your moral point of view
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo If Catholic Church to you is plain superstition, and a devil's work, then your understanding of the teachings your church, if you have any against the Catholic Church must be totally misplaced and /or contradictory. But, wonder where and from whom you got the definition of the "devil's work", when religion are for YOU idiots? You tend to disagree the religious idiots, but accept that its religion that define the devil and place the demarcation line of the devils work?
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Obviously you didn't understand what I was writing about in regards to the "devil's work", given the unbelievable stupidity of your reply (I can't believe I need to explain this as I would to a child, sheesh). I was referring to how the catholic church sees some advancements in science/technology as "the devil's work", it was not meant to refer to my belief as I don't actually think the devil exists, this is nothing but superstition, along with any other religion. Now...TRY AGAIN!
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Your illogical arguments betrays your ignorance, claiming to be of an adult intelligence: NO CHURCH OR RELIGION WHO BUILD SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES OFFERING SCIENCES/TECHNOLOGY CLAIM THEY OFFER DEVILS WORK? ; You actually think, religion and now the devil are plain superstition. Review the basis of your illogical thoughts and understanding.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Although most Filipino universities are started by the church, universities are, by tradition & design, largely secular. It is under constant intellectual growth as it accommodates new discoveries and ideas, some of which are considered heresies by the church. Thankfully, the increasingly scientific world will no longer put up with theocratic bullying and indoctrination, as the church did in the past and apparently still does. Now it just has to sit back and shut its mouth.
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo No church will ever shut its mouth, when human greed in the guise of scientific discovery tramples human dignity. Science and technology geared towards inventions of nuclear bombs, chemical warfares, advance technology that steals individual identity and invade privacy are backward scientific world that normal human beings even atheist or humanist have to stop.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Science is a tool that can be used for either good or evil. To say that science is bad because bad people put it to use for evil is stupid. Nuclear explosives can be useful. Chemicals used for warfare often have medicinal and industrial origins. And don’t speak of greed when your church’s headquarters is a grand palace housed in a castle, decorated by money collected from selling of prayers for souls in purgatory (what a greedy, evil doctrine…)
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Science itself is not good or evil. Who sets the standard of good and evil? It can not be left to man alone? for what is good to one may be bad to the other depending upon which interest is affected. The church has abhorred greed being one of the cardinal sins. If the church headquarters is rich it does not mean it is greedy. In fact the church has plenty of missionaries and assistance to war torn and calamity stricken areas.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Who sets the standard of good and evil? WE DO. Through ongoing, continual, rational discussion. If there is a conflict of interest, we negotiate/discuss in a hopefully, reasonable and peaceful manner to come up with a solution. Humans decide morality. It is innate in us. Being good to one another, not committing murder, etc. these existed BEFORE Abraham, before Moses and the ten commandments, before Jesus, We came up with it, and that's why we still view them as good to this day
apablo 4 months ago
As social animals, it was an evolutionary advantage for us to become helpful to one another to survive. We carry those instincts to this day. Some of us will act according to this principle (good people), some will not (bad people). Good people will act good, Bad people will act bad. But if you want good people to act bad, you need religion/faith. I follow morality, which is doing what's right despite what people tell me, not religion, which is doing what you are told despite of what's right
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Secular humanists also have institutions that assist those in need. Amnesty International, for example. They do not, however, have a lavish palace as headquarters. Also, greed, to a certain degree, is a good thing. The drive to be successful and to be competitive is what drives human industry and economy. Simple survival will not be possible without understanding that acquiring money/goods is necessary. It only gets bad when it reaches a point where it becomes very destructive.
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Show any evidence that the devil, a personal being responsible for all evil, actually does exist. Whatever, I don’t even need tangible evidence, just give a good argument for a reason to believe that the devil exists, and I’ll consider the thought. Until then, yes, I think the devil is nothing but superstition, an imagined character, a fairytale, just like the religion your church is based on.
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo War, murder, rape, drugs, trafficking of women and children and man's inhumanity to himself and his fellow human beings, if not a devils work or proof of its existence, then those victims should not cry for a God of peace and justice. Your quest for God or the Devil, if viewed as spiritual beings, may not be satisfied by human reason alone. Because spirits by nature can not be seen by your telescope or found in the microscope. Try to read St. Thomas Aquinas 5 ways to prove God exist!
danserrano100 4 months ago
"War, murder, rape, drugs, trafficking of women and children and man's inhumanity” – all of which are championed by the Catholic Church. War = Crusades. Murder = Inquisition. Rape = molestation of children by priests. Trafficking of women and children = Slavery, of which the church was a strong proponent of. Etc.etc.These are not proof of the Devil, but proof of the miserable state of nature and human condition, the elimination of which, religion, has done nothing but slow down
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo You have seen the sins of human beings in the church, but that is not the church itself. The Catholic Church just like any other groups or community of human beings have sinners and saints. She never championed man's inhumanity to his fellowmen. On the contrary, the Church is willing to be crucified like Christ that others may live and see the light.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Religious babble. You never refuted the points I wrote, you instead ignore it and make claims which you can't support with proof. You don't seem to know the rules of logical argument. I find it very time-consuming and annoying.
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo "Proof of miserable state of nature and human condition, the elimination of which, religion has done nothing but slow down"- You admit human reason alone can lead to miserable state of nature. Its human beings that could freely choose to wage war, murder, rape,abuse drugs, molestation of children. Sadly, until now, medical science or human reason, psychology or psychiatry failed to stop and invent a medicine to eliminate miserable state of nature. At least the church can slow down,good!
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 I didn't say that human reason leads to a miserable state of nature, the state of nature is innately miserable, it is miserable even without humans, just look at how animals have to starve and suffer. Human reason attempts to get us out of that miserable state. "medical science or human reason...failed to stop and invent a medicine to eliminate miserable state of nature" - Oh, so medicine does not help eliminate the miserable state of nature???
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 So getting rid of smallpox, among the uncountable other accomplishments in medicine does not help alleviate the miserable state of nature? If you cannot see the stupidity of your comment, I'm afraid I can't help you and there is no point to this argument. And I said, the church SLOWS DOWN THE ELIMINATION of the miserable state of nature, if not make it worse. Please read my comments more carefully next time.
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Oh, and drugs. Drugs are good. Abusing drugs is bad. Tell that to the clergy involved in the documented involvement of the catholic church with numerous crime syndicates, including the mafia...
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo The involvement of some clergy is not involvement of the Church itself. Similarly, the crime of a member of a family is not the crime of the family itself.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 "the crime of a member of a family is not the crime of the family itself" - the only thing you wrote that makes logical sense. Bravo. Unfortunately, this analogy does not work with the church, because it has a member that by DOGMA (Again, I suggest you read them), is INFALLIBLE. Every edict the pope gives ex cathedra is never wrong and is the ruling of the CHURCH herself. You are either misinformed about the dogma of infallibility or you choose to ignore it for your convenience
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Those victims cry for God because they have been infected by religion to think that one exists (what happens to those pleas anyway? NOTHING. Not all of them cry to your god, btw). They cry for justice because humans, as pattern seeking animals, have an innate sense of balance, equality, of which our sense of justice is based on, not because there is a god (Notice, that my arguments are TESTABLE, which is the basis for rational thinking, unlike ANY of your supernatural arguments)
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Only those victims of injustice who survive can attest the strength of their faith. All of those who survive after the concentrations camps of Hitler, never claim their innate sense of balance helped them survived. Its their faith, prayers and their hope despite the hopeless situation facing a mad man claiming to have innate balance, equality; by eliminating the inferior race through gas chambers, in modern times translate to RH Bill eliminate the population of the poor and the dumb.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Funnily enough, the jewish holocaust started the rise in secularism within the jewish community, because the survivors could not imagine an all-powerful, loving god that would allow such monstrosity. Thank you for pointing that out. And they didn't survive because of their faith, they survived because Hitler lost the war. I'm annoyed by your constant attempts in making dramatic but very inaccurate statements. Please stop this
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Comparing the RH bill to Hitler's holocaust is a wonderful piece of illogic. How many people do you think will be murdered because of this bill's passing? Eliminating the population of the poor and the dumb is a GOOD THING, through education and family planning, not through murder, as you keep implying, What fair-minded individual would come to such a conclusion - ie. what is wrong with you??
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 “spiritual beings, may not be satisfied by human reason alone” – exactly what I meant by faith being the surrender of reason. Basing your actions on beliefs that cannot be proven or have no evidence for is STUPID and DANGEROUS, or what we would call DELUSIONAL. And the argument that 'something cannot be observed, therefore it is true' (which seems to be your argument) is the literal, exact manifestation of IRRATIONALITY. Unicorns cannot be observed, does that mean they're true?
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Reason and Faith are co-relatives. One can not exist without the other. Faith not grounded in Reason is fanaticism. Reason not leading to Faith leads to an abyss of doubts. That is delusional, human reason alone is dangerous like Hitler or Mao tse Tung or marx, Nietzche and other atheist and agnostics. Their overweening pride of their intellect carries with them the seed of self destruction and humanity at large,
danserrano100 4 months ago
"Reason and Faith are co-relatives. One can not exist without the other. Faith not grounded in Reason is fanaticism. Reason not leading to Faith leads to an abyss of doubts" - You cannot keep coming up with nonsensical claims and expect me to accept them as reasonable, do you? This is pseudo-logic at its best. Reason and Faith are mutually exclusive. Reason/Logic operates on proof. Faith does not need proof. See the difference? And doubts are good. It keeps us on a constant search for the truth.
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Hitler and Mao, and Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. all rose to power after conquering a population of people who were previously very faithful/religious/superstitious, and managed to use this to their advantage. All of them, under the pretense of secularism, effectively replaced the worship of god with the worship of the state, and the worship and deifying of the state's leader. Those government were not as secular as you think, and definitely not founded on the highlights of human reason
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 haha Thomas Aquinas? NONE of his Quinque viae is proof of god’s existence. They are not proofs, or answers, but merely extending the questions already asked, MOST of which, have better explanations accounted for by science, not to mention they are logically unsound to begin with. Prime mover? The Big Bang. What moved that, we don’t know YET. Teological argument for Design?? Our human bodies alone are riddled with uneconomical design, how stupid must the designer be?
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Thank you for the mockery. I still consider St. Thomas Aquinas 5 ways as good starting point for human reason to arrive in understanding God exists. I submit: FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO FAITH NO REASON IS SUFFICIENT; THOSE WHO BELIEVE NO EXPLANATION IS NEEDED.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 If I mocked Aquinas, my apologies. But I maintain my position that Aquinas never gave proof of god, but merely restated the questions already being asked. That's not proof. And if anything, those "proofs" pose the probability that a creator god may exist, but saying that we know its will, ie. how we should dress, eat, who do we marry, love, hate, etc., is skipping a huge portion of the process of arriving to a logical conclusion. I prefer using the word "DELUSIONAL"
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 "THOSE WHO BELIEVE NO EXPLANATION IS NEEDED" - this is the essence of religious fanaticism. This is exactly what I meant when I said that Faith is the enemy of Reason. There is no need to think critically, to discuss, to investigate, to discover, etc. because one assumes he has enough understanding already. With this kind of thinking, one can commit terrible atrocities: he does need to explain his actions to anyone, he has faith. Science and the thirst for innovation stops.
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 I'm sorry, but unlike you, I want to live with a state of mind in which I will never know everything, I always want to know more. I want to operate under the assumption that I am always in the brink of discovering something better, something more, something closer to the truth, a truth that I always come closer to, but never reach. I will not settle for the claims of delusional people, saying they have the explanation to everything. That is a horrible and pointless way to live.
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Einstein in his scientific discernment recognize the fact that God does not play a dice. Even evolutionist Darwin never claim that God does not necessarily exist. I wonder which branch of sciences, psychology or psychiatry have better explanations? I am thankful for my human body in all its part. A Creator must have greatly designed every human beings equally unique and different. Otherwise monotony may kill us.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Einstein and Darwin were correct in claiming that science does not necessarily disprove the existence of a god. They do, however, agree with me that people claiming to know the will of this god, if he/she/it exists, are delusional. You and members of your church, and anyone who belongs to an organized religion, fall under this category of people.
apablo 4 months ago
Also, as you are responding to a video about an issue in the Philippines, I'm assuming you are filipino. PLEASE respond in tagalog or any other filipino dialect because that I can understand. Your terrible, terrible english, however, is very hard to decipher; it's like reading heiroglyphs. As I'm actually enjoying arguing about this, I think it will be better continued if you can actually understand what I'm saying, which you obviously don't (no worries, I can't understand your writing neither).
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo RH Bill ay mali, hindi lang dahil salungat sa utos ng ilang simbahan, kundi walang naidudolot na kabutihan sa isipan ng tao, sa pamilya at kahit pa sa pagpapayaman ng isang bansa. Itoy nasubukan na sa iilang bansa at napatunayang nagbibigay daan sa aborsyon, diborsyo, at kawalang galang sa dangal ng tao. Ngayon lang napatunayan mo, sa iyong ag iisip, at pananalita,gaano ka kulang ang pag iintindi ng mga sumusuporta sa RH Bill.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Quite the contrary; if there is anything we have learned from other countries that adopted some form of statute similar to the RH bill, it is that IT WORKS in reducing poverty, spread of STDs, and the indignation of women. The UN supports it. It leads to abortion? how? how can there be a child to abort if pregnancy never happened in the first place because of proper education and effective contraceptives?
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Condom, contraceptives enriches the manufacturers, not the poor people. It works yes, in reducing the population of the poor whose real wealth is their children. RH Bill is not a guarantee for safe sex> On the contrary it promotes sexual promiscuity, thereby makes women as mere sex object. The UN support does not make it right. Just as UN supports war, does not necessarily mean a just war. RH Bill would lead to abortion because it does not assure pregnancy would never happen.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Who do the manufacturers employ to manufacture contraceptives?! THE PEOPLE! Of course they get enriched, they get paid, that's how economies work, we need that! (Man, can you make smarter points, its frustrating typing these long answers for really stupid points). That’s what the R.P. needs right now, stable sources of income. Of course the business owners will get bigger shares, that’s how businesses generally work, I don’t fully agree with it, but that’s another topic...
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Manufacturers can also employ robots, computers and machines, not necessarily human beings. You see why some workers have to occupy the wall street of New York? Human labor has no dignity in a profit oriented economy that promotes the culture of death. In fact, the trend of manufacturer is contractual labor. How can human beings be enriched? In a culture of unbridled greed money is important than human life.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 And who do you think makes/maintains those robots, computers, machines? People, that's who. Businesses creates jobs, that's the bottom line. You cannot deny this (even though you try, laughably). Those protesters in Wall Street and everywhere else in the world are unhappy because of how business is being run, not because those businesses exist. You would rather have a large, poor population with no business to sustain them? Then you're promoting a culture of poverty and suffering.
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Can you present a reasonable argument for saying that the poor’s “real wealth is their children” rather than just stating your opinion? Can you honestly say that reducing the growth of poor, unplanned families will not reduce poverty?? The problem here is you attach a different meaning to "controlling the population", making it sound as if it involves killing already existing people or families, when it simply means reducing the unreasonable number of people to feed per family
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Wealth, for real Christians, is not the abundance of material things that does not translate to real happiness which are transitory. But relationship in a community of human beings with diversified talents, characters, traits and attitudes united in LOVE regardless of economic status or intellectual achievement. Not conformity to the rich by reducing the number of the poor. The church is always against unplanned families.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 "Wealth, for real Christians, is not the abundance of material things that does not translate to real happiness which are transitory. But relationship in a community of human beings with diversified talents, characters, traits and attitudes united in LOVE regardless of economic status or intellectual achievement" - You are describing decent human beings in general, not just christians. What a self-righteous, conceited thing to say.
apablo 4 months ago
"Not conformity to the rich by reducing the number of the poor" - You have a very misguided view on the dynamics of wealth and how the RH bill will affect it. It will not reduce the poor by eliminating people in a Hitler-like fashion as you seem to sadly cannot get out of your narrow mind. Rather, it will reduce the poor by making families able to sustain themselves financially by not being so unreasonably big, thus raising them above the poverty line. Why are you against reducing poverty?
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo The church adopts natural family planning not necessarily to control the population, but for married couple to be responsible for the number of children they can afford to love and care for.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Ummm, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but that is exactly what the RH bill is aimed at doing. Do you even know what the RH bill is?? You're church on the other hand, seems to be against family planning, when you hear its proponents saying "well, god told us to multiply so we plan on having 15 kids, even though we can't afford it. God will provide!!"
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 “Safe sex” means sexual intercourse with a low risk of contracting diseases or unwanted pregnancy, a medical term, a term promoted by RH bill. It is different from the moral topic of objectification of women (which religion has always been guilty of violating), which is not a result of promiscuity, but a result of men’s attitude towards women (men can be promiscuous, yet it rarely leads to their objectification). This is a fallacious argument against the RH bill.
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Now you admit it RH Bill promotes "Safe sex" in quotation marks. Almost all countries with artificial contraceptives and men or women practicing "safe sex" by reason of artificial contraceptives have the highest rate of contracting disease STD, AIDS, and unwanted pregnancy.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 "Almost all countries with artificial contraceptives and men or women practicing "safe sex" by reason of artificial contraceptives have the highest rate of contracting disease STD, AIDS, and unwanted pregnancy" Again, this proves how you keep making statements despite proof. See, the modern world operates on proof; it cannot take faith in statements like what you make without proof. Stop inventing statistics, please.
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Here's proof contrary to your self-invented statistics:
ww.avert.org/std-statistics.htm
Notice that the highest incidence of STDs are in South/Southeast Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, places where reproductive health education is not prioritized and condoms/contraceptives are not easily accessible. Notice how these places are also afflicted with poverty and overpopulation in concentrated areas. Coincidence??
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 And the fact that you hilariously pointed out that it makes "women" promiscuous, without the thought that sex involves men too (ie. it would make men promiscuous also) betrays your personal sexism and objectification of women. Did it ever occur to you that men can be sex objects too? Of course not. Not surprising, since you are a christian...are wives supposed to submit to the will of their husbands too in your point of view? haha what a croc
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo I have always look at women as equal partner of men. In fact I always viewed all men are born equal. Yes, men can be sex objects too, are we going to allow this practice of using the weak for the pleasure of the strong?
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 "are we going to allow this practice of using the weak for the pleasure of the strong?" - Haha isn't that Christianity in a nutshell? Weak, worthless humanity created for the praise and glory of an almighty god?
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo God will never allow the world to be overcrowded. Because God has come up with natural ways to control the population. God uses women as instruments of population control in the form of:
1.) Vaginismus -involuntary tightening of vaginal muscles, making intercourse painful for a woman.
2.) Dry Vagina
3.) Thick Hymen
4.) Infertility
Those physical conditions PROVE that God is indeed a MALE and dislikes artificial forms of birth control. Let's put our trust in God.
maypakialam 3 months ago
@maypakialam See, I have come across enough religious nutcases that I have lost the ability to tell if someone is being serious or being humorous in a sarcastic way. If you are joking, then you're f***ing brilliant. Although I doubt the dryness of a vagina would keep men away from it.
If you are being serious, then I'm afraid you can't be helped, not by me at least. Only God can help you. You can ask danserrano100 to pray to Him on your behalf, they're good friends apparently.
apablo 3 months ago
@apablo I am serious. God is indeed a male because:
1.) If God is a female, she would never inflict women with painful intercourse. She would merely inflict them with infertility. Her empathy towards women's feelings will always prevail.
2.) It is known in history that men treat women as property. If God inflicts a woman with primary vaginismus, thick hymen or dry vagina, then she is meant to control the population. Her vagina is God's property.
I am now an enlightened man.
maypakialam 3 months ago
@maypakialam Ah ok. So God is a male. Can you please enlighten me on the question of whether he has a penis and testicles? As you may know, there is a staggeringly wide variety of forms of penis in the animal kingdom; is His mammalian? Does it resemble a human penis? If it does, did he use it to impregnate Mary? In this case, can you still refer to Jesus' birth as a virgin birth? Please enlighten me oh wise one.
apablo 3 months ago
@apablo Yes. God has a penis. It is called the HOLY SPIRIT.
HOLY SPIRIT = God's penis.
maypakialam 3 months ago
@maypakialam this video will stop overpopuation
watch?v=L8MZaOX_7Oo&feature=related
FiIipinoUnggoy 3 months ago
@FiIipinoUnggoy That video you showed me will not stop overpopulation. People always have the option to not watch it. God will never allow the world to be overcrowded. Vaginismus is one of God's ways of controlling the population. God is anti-RH Bill.
maypakialam 3 months ago
@maypakialam i have to disagree..GOD is a virgin
FiIipinoUnggoy 3 months ago
@FiIipinoUnggoy God is NOT a virgin. He gave birth to his only begotten son named Jesus Christ by impregnating Mary. God used his own penis. It is called the HOLY SPIRIT.
HOLY SPIRIT = God's Penis.
By the way, do yo believe in God and Jesus? Don't let the Evolution Theory fool you.
maypakialam 3 months ago
@maypakialam yes indeed, i recall an art show at the ccp where there was a holy spirit sticking out of jesus's head LOL.. it was very controversial indeed
FiIipinoUnggoy 3 months ago
@maypakialam That's World culture, very patriarchal!
karelin11 1 month ago
@apablo Submit to the will of the husband? Are you taking it literally from the Bible? Wives are equal partners of their husband. In fact, oftentimes I observed most Filipino husbands submit to their wives.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Yes, I'm taking it literally from the Bible, both from old and new testaments. Are you saying that the Catholic Church does not follow the tenets of the Bible??
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 I would listen to the UN if I were you. It is not perfect, and they never claimed to be, NOT LIKE YOUR CHURCH, but it is the best form of international governance we have for now, and would definitely give you better advice than any religious organization. “RH Bill would lead to abortion because it does not assure pregnancy would never happen” - You just love making illogical arguments, don't you? Please review that statement, because it's not worthy of a reply, seriously...
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo I listen to UN when it promotes the cultural of life not death, when it pursue peace not war.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@apablo RH Bill whose intention is to control population through accessible artificial contraceptives would lead to sexual promiscuity for men and women alike this can lead to unwanted pregnancy, when contraceptives sometimes fail. This abortion happens even in industrialized countries advocating widespread artificial contraceptives.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 There are many causes of divorce but promoting reproductive health is not one of them, if anything it will reduce divorce, because it will reduce the number of marriages performed solely because of social pressure after someone got impregnated by accident, which eventually leads to unhappy marriages. And why is divorce bad anyway? if you are unhappy with the person you're with, should you stay with them?
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo several couples have separated after the wife underwent tubal ligation. Confident they won't get pregnant some indulges illicit sex. RH Bill would all the more promote it.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 How does it violate human dignity? Is there anything dignified about a family of 13 cramped up in a small house in the squalor of the slums because mom n dad aren't educated enough in family planning and does not have the means to invest in it? Seriously, besides religious nonsense, I have yet to hear a truly good argument against the RH bill (other than increased taxes, then again, this is greatly outweighed by the the benefits and will pay itself back in the end).
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Natural family planning is good education, but pro RH would not encourage it because no medical laboratories makes money or spend money to lobby for it. There are poor families more than 15 and they are happy with their dignity intact. They don't consider poverty of money a hindrance to love each other, but an opportunity to share the little they have and the opportunity to sacrifice for the good of the other.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 I had the misfortune of growing up in a poor family of six. I can only imagine 15. It was a miserable childhood. Of course, there were many moments of happiness and love shared between my family, but DO NOT INSULT US by saying we would never have loved and sacrificed for the good of the other if we were not suffering. This is a sick, disgusting and sadistic idea you are promoting, saying it's ok for people to suffer otherwise they will be less loving and empathic, shame on you!
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo i do consider you very lucky with the opportunity of being in a family of six. You achieve an education by your own effort, so excellent to the point that you may not have relied in a God our church always believe to have given us the grace of everything we are. A family of one or two though materially rich does not always translate to fortune, but their wealth may be source of misery. I HAVE NO INTENTION TO INSULT ANYONE! BUT YOUR LANGUAGE INSULTED OUR CHURCH bec. it is against RH
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 I have no intention of directly insulting you, except perhaps your reliance on faith over reason, and your inability to grasp that you can't just simply make statements and not offer any evidence or simple logical proof. Other than that, I have nothing against you. I have something against you church though, as I think it is an insult to humanity
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Congratulation for your self serving claim of excellent English! I admit I am not and will never be expert in English language.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@apablo Thank you for your keen observation of "terrible, terrible english". Congratulation to your self serving claim that this anti RH Bill could not understand. But you and your self proclaimed intellectual minions failed to persuade the anti-RH Bill advocates, because of your overweening intelligence that you failed to see the SIMPLE TRUTH among the ignorant and the dumb!
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 "advancement in science without direction"
how about reducing human misery and suffering? eradicating diseases? how's that for dierection? religious idiots these days enjoy all the benefits of the advancements in science and medicine such as simple knowledge in proper nutrition to viral vaccinations and cures for deadly diseases, then condemn the advancements that go against the teachings of their backward, misogynist, cruel, sadomasochistic superstition. Enough of this!
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo You are so unique, I have never read or heard the Catholic church or any religion preaches or teaches against science, medicine and even technology that promotes and eradicates human misery? How can the church teachings be so backward, misogynist, cruel, sadomasochistic superstition? When the Catholic church and other churches build schools and universities offering courses of all branches of sciences? Review your history and current events?
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Are you kidding me??! This cannot be a serious question. You havent heard or read of any religion that preaches against science/technology/medicine that alleviates human misery? Really?! I'm not answering that question...
Well for starters: misogynist: Women cannot be priests, wives must submit to their husbands
cruel/sadomasochistic: For a very long time, was PRO slavery; without suffering, there cannot be atonement for sins; we MUST fear and love some divine boss simultaneously
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo am not kidding, its your lack or misguided understanding of the church practices and tradition, the FAITH AND REASON for its being, that's kidding you.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Funny how you put those two words together; FAITH and REASON, two concepts that are almost entirely antonymic. Faith is the enemy, and the surrender, of Reason. It is conviction of something that at the very foundation, not only has no proof, but at times, is contrary to the proof and evidence. There can be no room for intellectual, reasonable, and logical debate if faith is included in the equation (which sadly, seems to be the discussion we're having now thanks to you)
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 If by ‘reason’ you meant ‘purpose’, not ‘the faculties of a rational mind’ like I assumed, then it’s much simpler. At the very start of it, the church was established by the roman emperor Constantine as the state religion to garner approval and political control over the empire, which by the way, marked the beginning of the Dark Ages. It's not a coincidence that the stupidest era in human thinking next to the Stone Ages came about after the rise of this church.
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo If history lies the reason Constantine established the church as state religion, PURELY for approval and political control over empire, then you are correct. But history books coined the words IN HOC SIGNO VINCI, BY THE SIGN OF THE CROSS YOU SHALL CONQUER. If this is not a miracle , but plain coincidence. Then who invented those historical statements? It is not the church that cause the dark ages, its human pride and narcissistic tendency to forget God in times of prosperity.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 The history books say BY THE SIGN OF THE CROSS YOU SHALL CONQUER because either some historians lied to promote his story, or Constantine himself claimed he saw this vision. That does not prove the vision to be true. He might have lied about it and used this story as propaganda to boost morale, or he was hallucinating...I tend to go with the first
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Europe plunged into the dark ages exactly because it adopted Roman Catholicism, because they submitted their will and reason to this ideology that they lost the thirst for innovation and discovery, because instead of looking for better explanations, they were content with "God willed it"; instead of looking for real solutions, they were content with "pray for it". It is with the rise in HUMANISM during the Enlightenment that the west began to climb out of this dark hole
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 - How's this for medieval superstition?
Galileo: "Evidence shows that the earth is round and that it revolves around the sun, not the other way around..."
Catholic Church: "Nope, you're wrong, it is clearly flat, and is the center of the universe, as it says so in the bible. you, Galileo, are a servant of the devil and is excommunicated. Be thankful we won't burn you at the stake. have fun in Hell."
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Galileo with his discovery never claim, there is no God or the Catholic Church itself is wrong! Does the error of one or two priest or bishop and error of the Catholic church itself?
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Galileo, never did denounce God's existence with the discovery of the heliocentric solar system, yet the church still condemned him and his discoveries. Most of his work were not published under the church's command for hundreds of years after his death, and only til 1800s did it fully accept the truth of his discoveries, offering an apology for this fiasco only within the last decade or so, admitting they were in error.
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Something is wrong with the authors of your history books!
danserrano100 4 months ago
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apablo 4 months ago
This was the official verdict of the church as a whole, supported by the "infallible" pope of his time. DO NOT LIE saying that this was an error of a couple of bishops; YES, this was an error of the Catholic Church itself, among many other errors it has committed and has apologized for centuries later. Given that evidence from all over the globe indicate that passing the RH bill does help alleviate poverty, must Filipinos suffer another 200 years before the church apologizes for another mistake?
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Review the authors of your history books they must be atheist or protestants staunch anti-catholics, designed to destroy the indestructible Catholic Church. This Catholic church i admit are made up of human beings its history is written with the saints and sinners alike in this temporal world. But the infallibility of the Pope of his time does not necessarily follow THE COLLEGE OF ALL CARDINALS AND THEOLOGIANS HAVE PRAYED, ARGUED AND ADOPTED IT.
danserrano100 4 months ago
@danserrano100 Haha of course not all the cardinals bought into the pope’s whim, the evidence was staring them in the face, seems like human reason prevails in some religious nutcases afterall. So does that mean the infallible pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth, is not infallible? Hmm what does that say about all the religious dogma approved by these fallible popes over the centuries, on which your church stands, maybe they’re not the edict of a “perfect, immutable God” after all…
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo Your making fun, not of the church itself or the human being administering her, but misguided understanding of the infallibility of the Pope. I have not read a Catholic Church Dogma designed to destroy human life and human dignity. But the Church designed for human wholeness may defy human law or the law of the King of England. That is why the Catholic Church have Saints, because it follows the Law God than the self claimed intelligent conceited human being.
danserrano100 4 months ago
Then your really need to read your Church dogmas. For starters, the dogma of Original Sin, that the "sin" (apparently eating fruits is a sin) of a couple who NEVER existed (as admitted by majority of pro-evolution bishops; Adam/Eve are just symbolic. BTW, it is another dogma that all humans came from this couple, literally. How stupid) is passed down to us, born and doomed with it not by our choice, then demanded to be better by becoming a slave to a wretched cult; where is the dignity in that?
apablo 4 months ago
@danserrano100 it almost, just barely, sounds like you are saying the church can be wrong at times (I understand you are nervous in actually admitting it). Understandable, if you are referring to some priest, or even cardinals, it would be ok to say they are in error. But if the pope, who is not only the highest authority, but under dogma, also supposed to be infallible, is repeatedly in error, and apologizes for it centuries later, what does that say about the truth of your church?
apablo 4 months ago
@apablo the church itself can not be wrong, human beings running it can be wrong. even a pope as a human being can be wrong, but not necessarily the church itself.
danserrano100 4 months ago
82% of Pinoys want RH Bill to pass!!!
ITALY, where the catholic church started, had their RH Bill approved in 1970. Spain, France and Ireland all have their Universal RH approved decades ago.
Wag tayo TRYING HARD catholics.
hsuson 5 months ago
@hsuson What's got to do with Italy. Philippine is not like Italy. USA is not like the Philippines. Japan is not like China. South Korea is not like North Korea. Get a clue my friend, turn off your television and start exercising your mind. If 82% of Pinoys wanted the RH Bill to pass, so the rest should shut up and take this RH Bill into their head as a legitimate and lawful law? Get a clue, if that's what you think. Then, remain to be allegiance to the State, and not to the Republic we stand!
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@serracross Disaster relief doesn't stop the disaster IMO. Think about it.
12todd1 5 months ago
VERY CLEAR ITO..BAGO MAGTBIGAY NG CONTRACEPTIVE ANG MGA DOCTOR PINAG-PREGNANCY TEST MUNA ANG PASYENTE,AT KUNG PREGNANT ANG BABAE WALANG CONTRASEPTIVE IBIBIGAY MALIWANAG BA SA INYO MGA NAUULOL NA PARI,BAKIT IYON IBANG RELIGION NAKAKAINTINDI TAGING BUKOD ANG ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGION LAMANG ANG NAGMAANG MAAGAN NA HINDI NILA NAINTINDIHAN KUNG ANO ANG KONTRASEPTIVE MGA ULOL
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The RH Bill is still a hotly debated topic in the Philippines. Is it necessary? And is Henry Kissinger a mass murderer because of the UN population contral agenda as Eric Manalang claims.
Eric Manalang of pro Life once attempted to exorcise Satan from Filipino Freethinker Red Tani. Naturally their perspectives are opposed.
Learn more about the pors and cons of the RH bill and click on the link below
reproductivebill 5 months ago
@serracross
adoption i think will apply mostly to those who got "rapped" and don't want to keep the baby
libetta 5 months ago
bakit kase nakikialam pa ng church sa business ng state.....
jhelvillaruel 6 months ago
@jhelvillaruel
business ng state= pondo na galing sa taumbayan. sige, pigilan nyo ang pakikialam ng simbahan. malaking pera ang ilagagay sa batas na yan.
libetta 5 months ago
Two clowns talking about the RH Bill. The RH Bill is just part of the UN Agenda 21. The Philippine mainstream medias are just a bunch of corporations trying to promote their brands, not products. I am very disappointed about this woman, Mrs. Winnie Monsod. I thought she's an expert, not only that she's a former professor If Im not mistaken. We all know this is not about roman catholic religion, and the RH Bill. This is about lifting Mother Earth first than humanbeings, the means of depopulation.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 RH BILL = MASS DEPOPULATION. SILENT GENOCIDE.
Archraveful 5 months ago
@Archraveful Mass genocide? Edi para sa'yo tulad pala ni hitler ang mga Americans, Europeans, at lahat ng mga tao mauunlad na bansa? Bulag. Blind follower.
12todd1 5 months ago
@12todd1 Modern ways of killing the population, I would say lowering it to where it supposed to be, sa kanilang agenda for the 21st. Nanalo si Hitler sa democratic na paraan, so he was elected by the people. But he changed the entire Germans sa kanyang pamamahala, by means of protecting the nation from the communists. Ibig sabihin, centralized power of the German governments. By using such clever words, so people demand protection and safety from Fuhrer/Hitler. Hitler made sure they got it good!
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 Non sequitur.
12todd1 3 weeks ago
@Archraveful You got it. Its quite odd, that the United Nations pushing such Bill. All of it, are all just part of this huge massive cabal running the entire world. I would say, silent population genocide in the name of empowering women. The main goal is to depopulate the earth, at first focusing the goal to a developing countries, where personal freedom, and of the press is nothing to be found. That's why the lower and middle class has no voice at all. For they are the class that must be slain.
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 they planned it from the very beginning. :(
Archraveful 5 months ago
@Archraveful There is no doubt the RH Bill is part of the Agenda 21 by our local and national leaders, run and managed by the United Nations. When our government signed the Agenda 21. The country is in contract with the United Nations. Many of our politicians has no clue what so ever of signing this RH Bill. Many of our people also believe, that government will help the people through RH Bill. If anyone criticizes this Bill, many politicians and citizens smeared. It is how they'll divide us all!
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 agree with you. if we attempt to stop this. we will be called terrorist and against the public. how's that beautiful... :(
Archraveful 5 months ago
@Archraveful It looks like the future Philippines will still remain third country. But with what Nonoy's doing under the banner of Private-Public Partnership. It looks like we're moving forward for a new millenia of outsourcing our very own resources, education, governance, energy, in the name of global consensus towards greater good. If there's more to come, then. I would say, "sold out to global governance." The country's broke, that's why our gov't & corps working together like fascist state.
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 God will be with us always... he will never leave us.
Archraveful 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 DEPOPULATION? more like stabilizing the population growth! do not focus on the thirs world countries my friend. kung gusto talaga nilang kitilin ang buhay ng mga nasa third worls, eh di dapat bagbagin na nila ang RH ng mayayamang bansa di ba?
giocelino2 5 months ago
@giocelino2 Depopulation is now called population stability? Well, that's new! Philippine is a third world country. Ginawa na nila po yan, at hanggang ngayon. When it comes to depopulation, experts and people in-charge of it ay hindi lang naman ibig sabihin lower the birth rate. It also meant social-engineering my friend. Maraming terms ang population control like, sensual freedom, women's rights, sexual revolution, equal rights, environment preserve etc.. Ginawa na 'to sa rich at poor nations.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@giocelino2 How do you define stabilized population growth? How many millions under your "stabilized population growth?" Get your facts straight, the country is a third world country! The reasons: poor governance, lack of economic freedom, unemployment, human capitals, no political will and economic power, education, energy, no freedom of the press, and the results with all these failed policies, "corruption" and many other dirty works. Tapos, you are prioritizing of controlling the population?
gearzone2611 3 weeks ago
OK lng namn ibasura nila yung RH-bill basta sila na ang mgpakain sa lahat ng bata sa kalsada....particularly the greedy priest of the philippines
carloslarazabal 6 months ago
@carloslarazabal
tungkulin nga ng gobyerno yun kaso puro pangongorap lang ginagawa nila. KUNG WALANG CORRUPT WALANG MAHIRAP. panindigan natin yan!
libetta 5 months ago
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MrNaitx22 6 months ago
AN OPEN LETTER TO
OPEN COMMON SENSE The outrageous desecration of God by an art extremist with sycophantic manifestations at the Philippine Cultural Center must be destroyed immediately.
mannyandra 6 months ago
@mannyandra that art in ccp was the representation of the priest acting as god, to claim everything that all should be under their so called morality!!!
melancholic6619 5 months ago
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mannyandra 6 months ago
The law and constitution were primarily created for people to establish RESPECT for peace and order. WE DO NOT NEED THE ART OF PROVOKING ANGER AND ANARCHY – WHAT WE NEED IS THE ART OF ENHANCING WISDOM TO SAVE OTHERS FROM IGNORANCE AND DAMNATION. It is therefore implored to immediately destroy the obnoxious garbage of art However, if no one could save the Lord again from the cross of insults then I would be the one to destroy the wooden penis of the abnormal artist and let him eat it.
mannyandra 6 months ago
SAVE OUR COUNTRY FROM DUMB EVIL SPIRIT SEEKING TO STIFLE RELIGIONS AND UNDERMINE OUR FAITH IN LORD JESUS CHRIST AS GOD. ONLY DUMB SPIRITS CANNOT RECOGNIZE THE LORD CHRIST AS GOD BECAUSE DEMONS ARE SO DUMB NOT TO KNOW HOW TO SET THEMSELVES FREE FROM THEIR INHERENT ABNORMABLITY.
mannyandra 6 months ago
In case you don’t know me, I was the one who set free all the political detainees last EDSA 1 thru wisdom. Also won a case against Ninoy’s prosecutor / persecutor (Judge Paño / Acorda) to prove wisdom is for greater than knowledge. LET GOD’S WISDOM SET YOU FREE!!!
MANNY ANDRADA
Save the Philippines Movement
National Chairman
mannyandra 6 months ago
AN OPEN LETTER TO
PRES. NOYNOY AQUINO The outrageous desecration of God by an art extremist with sycophantic paranoia at the Philippine Cultural Center must be destroyed immediately.
mannyandra 6 months ago
The face of the Lord Jesus Christ was lasciviously painted with a male organ hanging beside his face. Another blasphemous exhibit was the Holy Family with a used condom highlighted with them.
mannyandra 6 months ago
Such atrocious sexual/obsession should not be allowed just to push the RH Bill which is nothing but a RIDICULOUSLY HIDEOUS (R.H.) BILL OF CORRUPTION.
mannyandra 6 months ago
The law and constitution were primarily created for people to establish RESPECT for peace and order. WE DO NOT NEED THE ART OF PROVOKING ANGER AND ANARCHY – WHAT WE ONLY NEED IS THE ART OF ENHANCING WISDOM TO SAVE OTHERS FROM IGNORANCE AND BARBARISM.
mannyandra 6 months ago
It is therefore requested to immediately discard the obnoxious garbage of art if we are indeed your `boss’, as you have always impressed upon us.
SAVE OUR COUNTRY FROM DUMB EVIL SPIRIT SEEKING TO STIFLE RELIGIONS AND UNDERMINE OUR FAITH IN LORD JESUS CHRIST AS GOD.
mannyandra 6 months ago
Respectfully yours,
MANUEL LIM ANDRADA
Former C.A.P.M./BANDILA MEMBER
Save The Philippines Movement, National Chairman
July 30, 2011
P.S. In case you don’t know me, I was the one who set free all the political detainees including myself last EDSA 1 thru wisdom. Also won a case against your Dad’s prosecutor / persecutor (Judge Paño / Acorda) to prove Wisdom is for greater than knowledge.
mannyandra 6 months ago
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mannyandra 6 months ago
hay naku!!!ewan q sa knila... nkikipagdebate ni mukahang d nga nila alam angkaibahan ng abortion sa contraception... dpat pinag.aralan muna nila khit ang definition at kaibahan nga mga terms n yan bago sila ngsalita sa publiko... naturingang mga nasa authority, mas mbuti p yung mga bata, mukhang mas nauunawaan pa....
karnimkaye05 6 months ago
@karnimkaye05 NA LASON ANG UTAK NANG MGA BATA DAHIL SA MGA KA GAGOHAN NYO. RH BILL RH BILL NA WALA NAMAMNG CONNECTION SA CORRUPTION..
Archraveful 5 months ago