Isn't 15% tax alot of money? Can't this 15% be used to somehow fix the agricultural problems? Besides, who says the 85% wasn't reinvested? As far as i know, goldcorp didn't give any dividends for that whole duration so has it really enriched shareholders? The only money i see being made in goldcorp come from those who bought and sold at the right moment, not from the actual income of the company.
I wish people would debate this more in depth rather than try to make us feel bad about something.
@ExquisiteDoom 15% of total revenues from the Marlin Mine might be a lot of money in our minds, but given the huge amount of money Gold Corp. makes from this mine, 15% is surely far too little.
@mikecorbeil "given the huge amount of money Gold Corp. makes from this mine, 15% is surely far too little." But that's just horrendeously subjective, i'm sorry but i can't take a moral position on that.
Also there is no telling whether increasing those taxes would not hamper production.
I don't guess i'm going to get the answers i would like to see on youtube. Thanks for trying anyway.
as a gold investor I am ANGRY at the constant pollution from gold miners. The market has PROVEN that buyers understand the NEED for gold and are willing to buy into a rising market. RAISE THE PRICE to cover the REAL COST - keeping people safe who live near gold mines. There is NO reason to exploit someone's safety or death to make "cheaper gold". Gold will be bought NO MATTER WHAT. I am absolutely certain of that.
@2leet2cheet it's disgustingly retarded, brainless mongoloids like you who'll be first against the wall. you'll go on a rampage the day a corporation is no longer allowed to exploit the third world? it was their 'risk' of a few million dollars of precious investment capital, thus giving them the right of exploitation?
you're the same kind of scum that thinks the rich are those that 'worked hard' and 'succeeded in life' - fucking hang yourself, a bullet would be wasted on you.
This is fucking retarded. You're lucky to be getting 15% of the profits and should be happy for it. If it weren't for Gold Corp. You'd be getting 0%, because the mine wouldn't be there.
"Conversation about a fair share" FUCK OFF.....I'll go on a fucking bloody rampage killing hundreds of innocent children the day a company is allowed to not keep their profits. It was their risk, why shouldn't they keep the majority of the profits.
Fallacies of Neoliberalism: Peter Munk in his own words, a speech at the Barrick Gold AGM 2010
tactic:
intersperse the speech with captioned photos that belie the words strikingly and starkly ... go read my intro to this unwellian evil .. but it ends well:
"cue / enter poetpiet .. soon to be voted greatest problem solver in rapidly failiving memory." .. if you excuse me for clamping quote marks on myself
@fallenempireoverdrve if they're competent enough to do so, what good are they if they (resources) sit idle because some governement says no? Protect the country , but screw the rest of the world? I think it's a little more complicated than that.
they are trying to do the same in Romania. now you might ask: in European Union?!! well..yeah. money, money, money..what is the significance of the lifes of a few thousand people or environemental damage? who is strong, who has the power just grabs from the others. that is it. and of course the local corrupt governement is involved. same old story.
This is an example where people have zero representation in their own country.
Normally if a company wanted a resource like that they would have to make a continuing deal with the local people there (not the far removed government). If the people there were happy and continued to be, the company could stay, if they were not, they would have the ability (backed up by the gov) to kick them out.
Even if there was pollution downstream others would be able to sue.
@sirellyn wrote : "Normally if a company wanted a resource like that they would have to make a continuing deal with the local people there (not the far removed government)."
I think GC would need to deal fairly with both the local population as well as the govt of the country, and that would especially be true if that govt is to back up the locals. Since all working Guatemalans earning enough income to pay inc. taxes, all of these Guatemalans need to be fairly dealt with as well.
The Canadian govt has a critical responsibility that it's NEGLECTING, or blatantly, tho silently, refusing to apply. Canada has a Human Rights Charter and is co-signatory to the international one, so the Cdn govt has an ethical responsibility or duty to make sure that all Cdn businesses very strongly or strictly abide by these charters. The Cdn govt hardly ever does that in any case that it needs to be done for, but is still responsible for doing it, so is ROGUE for not doing so.
@mikecorbeil Although I wouldn't argue that any Canadian, even abroad should face prosecution for accused crimes abroad, the Charter of Rights and freedoms is being ignored on a far more important level currently.
I would be more concerned with incidents like protests at the G20 and the C10 bill. As bad as any corp may be, if you can't even protest it, nothing is going to change.
@sirellyn Anyone guilty of crime abroad and proven to be guilty deserves fair process, but that's the way our laws are supposed to be applied and it hardly happens; because, we have corrupt, complacent, et cetera, political leadership(s). It should be international law, but US law would suffice, if it was ever applied in a really sane sense, which is an open-ended pipe dream.
And the UN also a critical or crucial responsibility that it's NEGLECTING, or blatantly, tho silently, refusing to apply; just as the Cdn govt is doing. There's the critically important international or UN Human Rights Charter that's hardly ever applied or respected by the UN, due to the UNSC always ending up countering UNGA votes.
Isn't 15% tax alot of money? Can't this 15% be used to somehow fix the agricultural problems? Besides, who says the 85% wasn't reinvested? As far as i know, goldcorp didn't give any dividends for that whole duration so has it really enriched shareholders? The only money i see being made in goldcorp come from those who bought and sold at the right moment, not from the actual income of the company.
I wish people would debate this more in depth rather than try to make us feel bad about something.
ExquisiteDoom 1 month ago
@ExquisiteDoom 15% of total revenues from the Marlin Mine might be a lot of money in our minds, but given the huge amount of money Gold Corp. makes from this mine, 15% is surely far too little.
mikecorbeil 1 month ago
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@mikecorbeil "given the huge amount of money Gold Corp. makes from this mine, 15% is surely far too little." But that's just horrendeously subjective, i'm sorry but i can't take a moral position on that.
Also there is no telling whether increasing those taxes would not hamper production.
I don't guess i'm going to get the answers i would like to see on youtube. Thanks for trying anyway.
ExquisiteDoom 1 month ago
as a gold investor I am ANGRY at the constant pollution from gold miners. The market has PROVEN that buyers understand the NEED for gold and are willing to buy into a rising market. RAISE THE PRICE to cover the REAL COST - keeping people safe who live near gold mines. There is NO reason to exploit someone's safety or death to make "cheaper gold". Gold will be bought NO MATTER WHAT. I am absolutely certain of that.
ytgv3fc7 3 months ago 2
@2leet2cheet it's disgustingly retarded, brainless mongoloids like you who'll be first against the wall. you'll go on a rampage the day a corporation is no longer allowed to exploit the third world? it was their 'risk' of a few million dollars of precious investment capital, thus giving them the right of exploitation?
you're the same kind of scum that thinks the rich are those that 'worked hard' and 'succeeded in life' - fucking hang yourself, a bullet would be wasted on you.
Karlosmovies 3 months ago
This is fucking retarded. You're lucky to be getting 15% of the profits and should be happy for it. If it weren't for Gold Corp. You'd be getting 0%, because the mine wouldn't be there.
"Conversation about a fair share" FUCK OFF.....I'll go on a fucking bloody rampage killing hundreds of innocent children the day a company is allowed to not keep their profits. It was their risk, why shouldn't they keep the majority of the profits.
2leet2cheet 3 months ago
original title:
Fallacies of Neoliberalism: Peter Munk in his own words, a speech at the Barrick Gold AGM 2010
tactic:
intersperse the speech with captioned photos that belie the words strikingly and starkly ... go read my intro to this unwellian evil .. but it ends well:
"cue / enter poetpiet .. soon to be voted greatest problem solver in rapidly failiving memory." .. if you excuse me for clamping quote marks on myself
poetpiet 3 months ago
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Derelusion of Neolibservice - Barrick Gold AGM 2010
mirroring an indybay item by Sakura Saunders
poetpiet 3 months ago
countries should own there own natural resources
fallenempireoverdrve 3 months ago
@fallenempireoverdrve if they're competent enough to do so, what good are they if they (resources) sit idle because some governement says no? Protect the country , but screw the rest of the world? I think it's a little more complicated than that.
ExquisiteDoom 1 month ago
something (little) like Costa Rica-Infinito GOld (Crucitas litis)
MrOgeidAzip1 3 months ago
they are trying to do the same in Romania. now you might ask: in European Union?!! well..yeah. money, money, money..what is the significance of the lifes of a few thousand people or environemental damage? who is strong, who has the power just grabs from the others. that is it. and of course the local corrupt governement is involved. same old story.
cattplayer 3 months ago
This is an example where people have zero representation in their own country.
Normally if a company wanted a resource like that they would have to make a continuing deal with the local people there (not the far removed government). If the people there were happy and continued to be, the company could stay, if they were not, they would have the ability (backed up by the gov) to kick them out.
Even if there was pollution downstream others would be able to sue.
This is corrupt government.
sirellyn 3 months ago 7
@sirellyn wrote : "Normally if a company wanted a resource like that they would have to make a continuing deal with the local people there (not the far removed government)."
I think GC would need to deal fairly with both the local population as well as the govt of the country, and that would especially be true if that govt is to back up the locals. Since all working Guatemalans earning enough income to pay inc. taxes, all of these Guatemalans need to be fairly dealt with as well.
mikecorbeil 1 month ago
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mikecorbeil 1 month ago
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The Canadian govt has a critical responsibility that it's NEGLECTING, or blatantly, tho silently, refusing to apply. Canada has a Human Rights Charter and is co-signatory to the international one, so the Cdn govt has an ethical responsibility or duty to make sure that all Cdn businesses very strongly or strictly abide by these charters. The Cdn govt hardly ever does that in any case that it needs to be done for, but is still responsible for doing it, so is ROGUE for not doing so.
Also the UN!
mikecorbeil 1 month ago
@mikecorbeil Although I wouldn't argue that any Canadian, even abroad should face prosecution for accused crimes abroad, the Charter of Rights and freedoms is being ignored on a far more important level currently.
I would be more concerned with incidents like protests at the G20 and the C10 bill. As bad as any corp may be, if you can't even protest it, nothing is going to change.
sirellyn 1 month ago
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mikecorbeil 4 weeks ago
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@sirellyn Anyone guilty of crime abroad and proven to be guilty deserves fair process, but that's the way our laws are supposed to be applied and it hardly happens; because, we have corrupt, complacent, et cetera, political leadership(s). It should be international law, but US law would suffice, if it was ever applied in a really sane sense, which is an open-ended pipe dream.
mikecorbeil 4 weeks ago
And the UN also a critical or crucial responsibility that it's NEGLECTING, or blatantly, tho silently, refusing to apply; just as the Cdn govt is doing. There's the critically important international or UN Human Rights Charter that's hardly ever applied or respected by the UN, due to the UNSC always ending up countering UNGA votes.
mikecorbeil 1 month ago
Same old capitalist story.
cityguyusa 3 months ago 6
@peymaania that is sick, and funny! I shouldnt be laughing but it made me laugh!
jdocks777 3 months ago
@peymaania
No, nor is it good to use as a comment. Idiot
Eraser7622 3 months ago