i think its both. we should all have the right to see a doctor whether it be our yearly physical or we need emergency room care or have a life threatening illness. its also a responsibility because we have to make sure our own bodies are healthy and that our hospitals are economic to visit.
Push back... your politicians has staffers that answer the phone and record and Track call-ins.
They even agree to note your issues and log the calls to show there boss who and how many issues there dealing with and if your a voting from their district.
Low to no complaints allows them to vote with the money... voter HEAT count puts them into a survival mod .
If they commit to the money in a HIGH HEAT count, bet your last dollar they go into the next election wearing a parachute .
To claim that health care is a right is to claim that one person owes another person their labor simply because the person receiving the benefit of that labor exists. That is an absurd notion on its face. For one person to claim such a right, another person must necessarily be indebted to him from the start - by default - because the service being demanded has value, and that service will not have to be compensated for by the recipient due to a proclaimed birthright. How is that not slavery?
How am I looking at this question the wrong way? It's a pretty straightforward question, and the answer is inarguable. One cannot justifiably claim another person's labor as a right. Health care amounts to the labor of doctors and nurses. No one has a right to their services.
@DarcPrynce I agree with this. If we were to follow the original principles of the American constitution, which overall limits the power and scope of government, then we would follow a principle of individual rights, rather than making needs into rights. People certainly need health care, as well as food, water, and shelter, but that does not make them rights.
a nurse from california who writes on the huffington post agrees with obama, shocker! what people don't understand is the argument isn't about "giving people healthcare or letting them fend for themselves" It is about what will be better for people. Government healthcare= poor quality. Instead of judging these programs by their intentions we should judge them by their results and the results around the world show that private healthcare is better for people.
Medicare is not successful. Where did that dumb bitch get that from. Social Security is in a huge hole but Medicare is in a hole about 5 times greater. There simply is not enough wage earners in America to cover the baby boomers in 2040.
Currently, our government shells out over $7000.00 per capita per year for healthcare which is twice what Canada allots for its nationalized healthcare program.
What's stopping us from going forward with this idea is the corrupt insurance companies who are not about to give up the enormous profits they are making without a fight.
Obama is going to bankrupt Coal business. If it is eliminated (50% of USA power is from coal), the price will inevitable go up big time. I am not sure either if other sources can cope with USA power demand (Obama is not a fan of Nuclear either). If the price of power goes up, HOW can OBAMA ENSURE that those that need power to heat up their house (DURING WINTER TIME) can afford it. I think before he categorize HEALTH CARE as our RIGHT, we should include WATER,FOOD,POWER as our RIGHT as well.
Obama will merely be a face plastered over the bankruptcy of the coal industry & all other businesses bankrupted by the global financial crisis created by the corruption and greed driving our economy for the past 30 years.
Until & unless the corporate monopolies sitting above our industries & economy are busted up & true competition with nonpartisan regulation are reintroduced into our systems we can expect 80-95% of our population will continue suffer loss of resources & financial security.
bergadangtidakbaik: if you want real change, concentrate your efforts at the local & state levels of government. Insist that your representatives do everything in their power to undo unconstitutional laws which have slowly but surely allowed criminal corporations to wedge themselves between you and your human rights.
Without basic food, shelter, fuel, medicine & education human beings cannot prosper. These components must be removed from the greed machine & closely regulated.
bergadangtidabaik: there is no reason to believe that we will become a communist state in order to meet the fundamental needs of our people. There is plenty of other stuff to capitalize big time on besides food, water, small apartments, basic utilities (electric, gas, phone), medicine (especially birth control)& and a primary education with a couple of years technical job training if you're not high school or college material. Money can & will be made on these things- just not windfall profits.
Funny it's twice that of Canada and yet Canada is going broke !! We have the BEST health care that's why people come from all over the world to get treatment here. Don't conflate health Care with Health Care ins. The ins companies have problems that's for sure we want to fix this it's just that this obamanation plan is going to cost us money we DON'T have.
Actually, no. By any measure you want, Canada has a sounder financial system, whether in banking, government, or international trade. The Canadian government has reserves to cover our entitlements and future economic downturns. We carry less debt as a percentage of our GDP than the United States, and have done so since well before the Obama Administration took office. Our medical system costs less than that of the United States and delivers better results.
Yes your HC is broke.(canadian health care system euthanasia) search see why.. you should read before you comment. and second ok so you can afford it? why do you bother coming here IF you HC is so good? I mean "better" I wouldn't go to another country to pay more for inferior HC ..??? DOH!! so easy to shoot down you guys.. you ALWAYS have contradictory or hypocritical arguments better luck next time
All I said Canada is not going broke. Also I never said Canada has better healthcare. There are facilities that are better in States in certain areas that is true.With that said What exactly did you shoot down?Like your system our system needs to be tweeked. I donth think a complete overall would be necessary in either. I think thereare better ways to fix your system, similar thing can be done to ours, but as long as it is controlled. Its not contradictory, its thoughtful
@hylo1111 It is... why is Canada considering euthanasia ( death panels)? The whole world except you acknowledges that our system is the best!! An example of your system that you claim needs "tweeking" "
The median clinically reasonable wait time before receiving neurosurgery is 5.8 weeks. In Canada in 2008 it was 31.7 weeks" Yeah right.!! You like the rest of the "i wanna someone to take care of me generation " You are in denial and are intellectually dishonest!!!
@carlindelco worke for a farmer from 12 to 14, worked at gas station till 18, worked on rigs till 20, pulpmill till 33, treatment plant till 36,Paid more income tax than some gross in a year, paid for my own schooling, no bailouts from mommy or daddy, no Unemployment, welfare or compensation. I take care of me bro.I have retirements saved up I have investments, what do you have?Canada Sucths.Yeah find where Canada is Deficient and ad private care to fill the holes.Restructure where needed.
@carlindelco then just say you don't want health care like Canada because Universal healthcare would be bad for the US economy, creates big government, its inefficient, slows down progress and there are better ways to fix the US healthcare system.You are bashing another country as way for justifying why US is better than Canada. Also instead of complaining offer some real solutions to your problems instead of blaming others, and government.
? You make no sense and have no idea of what the concept of "evidence" is When we state that their will be problems, us conservatives ALWAYS have what's called proof and evidence. That would be Canada and the uk, and virtually any other communist country in the world. The rest of the world is turning away from this Gov HC nonsense because they have found out the hard way. When you libs argue for something it's always without any facts,and coupled with hate speech. I am using Canada as a example
@kubush LOL I misspoke in conjugating the UK , Canada and communist countries.. I meant that anywhere else that these "socialist ideas" were implemented. In ALL of these countries, there HC IS referred to as "socialized medicine" They are horrible in quality and extremely expensive.
@carlindelco A number of things you got wrong in your post. One, healthcare in Canada is of equal quality to the U.S., with health outcomes being the same or better in many cases. Second, American for profit, insurance run healthcare is the highest on the planet.
@MadHabber93 What?? are you joking.. no body and I mean NO BODY believe that but you angry socialist posters..in many cases?? lol yeah that's why people all over the world including Canadians come here IF they can for quality care and excellence. We create all the drugs and equipment and have the best specialist.. don't confuse "best" with "free" as you guys always do..
@carlindelco Your ignorance is typical. THe U.S. consumes 55% of all drugs, yet only produce 50% of them. Do some research on R&D in Canada and Europe before spouting off what you CLEARLY know nothing about.
I never said our care was the best, I said of equal quality, and many times better. You want the links?? And you do realize that Americans who can't afford the cost of healthcare in the U.S. travel to other countries including CANADA. Again, do some research.
@MadHabber93 Better? is that not quality? hah ahh top ten pharmaceutical companies in the world the U.S. has 7/10 spots... and the top 2 positions.. so I am not ignorant ur.. don't use generic production with patent and research.. But thanks for trying. Canada is better in what field? please tell me? God Bless..
@carlindelco Almost all major drug companies in the world have research facilities in Canada. Why? Highly educated workforce, great facilities and excellent researches responsible for creating more discoveries than what we consume as a country.What field? I'll quote from a 2007 review: :We identified 38 studies comparing populations of patients in Canada and the United States. Cont'd
@carlindelco Studies addressed diverse problems, including cancer, coronary artery disease, chronic medical illnesses and surgical procedures. Of 10 studies that included extensive statistical adjustment and enrolled broad populations, 5 favoured Canada, 2 favoured the United States, and 3 showed equivalent or mixed results.con'td
@carlindelco Of 28 studies that failed one of these criteria, 9 favoured Canada, 3 favoured the United States, and 16 showed equivalent or mixed results. Overall, results for mortality favoured Canada (relative risk 0.95, 95% confidence interval 0.92-0.98, p= 0.002)
@MadHabber93 Ahh we have a significantly higher population that factors in on life span.. The more complex a society is the greater the risk. Look at auto insurance for correlative support. geez you guys crack me up. The whole world knows we have the best in treatment and specialist.
@carlindelco What's auto insurance have to do with it??? You guys crack me up. You think you have a monopoly on having the best treatment and specialists. You have SOME of the best, not ALL of the best. Get overselves already. And really, even if you did have all the best treatments, it means nothing when millions can't access it due to cost or denial.
@MadHabber93 lol you have to use my lines haha so funny such a typical foreigner can't invent anything on your own. Stop hating America we have created EVERYTHING in the world.. we are responsible for every major invention and innovation.. The computer you are on, the web, the phone, ac current, and your modern car.. what has Canada done.. ahh hockey and a couple actors... wow! Capitalism, God and freedom are responsible for all the things you use and take for granted so stop knocking us.
@carlindelco Where, in any of my posts, have I "hated" on the States. That's right. I DIDN"T. I'm not knocking you, I'm proving your opinions wrong. Just like believing the phone was an AMerican invention. Or the fact that more modern cars are produced in the province of Ontario than any other U.S. state, including Michigan. Why? Because its costs up to $1500 less to produce a car here because of Universal healthcare. Its called research, try it.
@carlindelco And before you go inflating your head anymore than you already have, just google Canadian inventions and learn a bit about your neighbour before making yourself look like a fool.
@MadHabber93 Ok sure.. wow did you have to mention so may here.. lol.. did you just have to google it to find out what you guys have done.. lol I don't We are the best and the best are always envied. Stop trying to tell us we should be inferior like most of the rest of the world ok?
@carlindelco No my dear ignorant boy, I know what we've done. Its time for you to learn, instead of being a typical ignorant ass American who 'thinks' they are the best. That's why your country is going to hell in a hand basket. Ignorance little one, ignorance. Ha ha ha.
@MadHabber93 LOl again you waste 2 posts and say nothing..lol You have nothing think about that. There isn't 1 thing that you use in your house or through your day that was invented in you country.. I would feel pretty shitty too if I were you. You subscribe to a philosophy of hate and spite, while we believe in God and right. Jeez George Washington Carver come up with over 300 things to do with a peanut !! while all you guys can do is... is... wait what do you guys do? lol
panoramic pictures and camera,standard time, telephone, transceiver (walkie-talkie), the zipper, insulin, pablum, Blackberry, robertson screw, washing machine, pulp newsprint, sewage recycling system, baseball, basketball,air-conditioned vehicle, Canadarm, electric car Just to name a few.
@MadHabber93 I wouldn't know why don't your share.. lol this is too easy.. u guys have absolutely nothing.. aside from personal insults and misdirected rage..
@carlindelco Nothing but personal insults?? I guess you saying Canadians haven't provided anything to the world isn't insulting?? That's right, its just ignorance. You seem to be an expert at that. There you go, a complement for you. Bam.
@MadHabber93 Ahh you need to look up the definitions of "facts" and "insults" copy and paste them.. then read them outloud and tyr to tell if they sound different. ok?
This is your 3rd "rebuttal"? and you still haven't come back with anything that the great northern socialist/progressive country of Canada has contributed to the world??? So to you I say thanks for playin I win again 3rd time lmao..
@carlindelco I guess you can't read. Good for you. You started this by saying the U.S. healthcare system had better quality and results than the Canadian one. That's called opinion. I countered with studies showing the opposite. THose are called facts. Then I provided a long, partial list of Canadian contributions to the world. Then you come back garbage??? Ha ha ha ha. It's fun whipping you everytime. Move along little one. YOu are out of your league.
@carlindelco So I guess you don't switch on your lightbulb in the morning. I guess you don't use a telephone. I guess you never played basketball, hockey or baseball. I guess you've never used a Blackberry or watched television. And I guess you don't appreciate unzipping your boyfriend's zipper everyday for his daily BJ. All Canadian contributions to the world. I know your boy friend appreciates his zipper that you work so well.
@MadHabber93 Are smoking crack?? All that invented here IN America pal..continuous Clothing Closure, was patented in the United States by Elias Howe in 1851. " Lightbulb first incandescent light bulb that would be Edison.Blackberry" ahh that's not an invention you dofus it's a development LOL you guys really smoke it up there ay? lol nah just your socialist revisionist history.. sad.. so very sad and pathetic.. need to re write history..America is the greatest ever!!!
@carlindelco Howe never patented his design. Gideon Sundbeck (Canadian) is credited for the modern zipper in 1913 while patenting the 'Separable Fastener' in 1917. He also created the manufacturing machine for the zipper. For the lightbulb, Canadian Henry Woodward invented the electric lightbulb and sold his patent to Edison in 1874. Our smoke is fine, but I think you just pissed off your boyfriend with your lack of correct history.
@MadHabber93 Yes he did...you better read this ideafinder/com/history/inventions/lightbulb/htm Woody didn't have the first idea on the lightbulb.. neither did he have a commercially viable one...That's why Edison is credited with the "modern Incandescent light bulb" Again Everything that is anything of "real" importance or value was invented or as I said before made better in America...The world already knows and accepts this why do you even bother ?
@carlindelco Your 'view' of things doesn't change real history sunshine. Your boyfriend accepts your talent in using the Sundbeck zipper. Your over inflated view of America's contributions to the world is also funny. Thanks for the nice laugh before the work week.
@carlindelco Whatever dickhead. Canada was fighting and dying years before the States finally got their heads out of the sand to fight in both World Wars.
@carlindelco Wow, ignorance is bliss dickhead. We are 1/10 your size, so we sacrificed way more per population. Way to prove my point loser. No wonder your single. ANd last time I checked, we are on the same team. Grow up already.
@MadHabber93 ahhh my point was now pay attention.."you would be speaking German if NOT for America" I didn't say it was BECAUSE more of us died. God !do they teach reading for comprehension up there or do you graduate based on age? We are, all I am doing is stating we are the greatest because of our belief in God and freedom that comes from him., rather than claiming credit as a matter of social programs. Capitalism = freedom socialism = tyranny
@carlindelco I know what you meant Einstein. I'm pointing out that Canadians DIED in WWI and II, just like Americans. We liberated many parts of Europe, just like Americans. The difference is, we don't sing to the heavens praising how great our country is, nor pretend we were the only country fighting and dieing in those wars. Get off your high horse, you pompous, ignorant, neo-conservative, Christian fundamentalist asshole!!!
@MadHabber93 I didn't say we were "the only" one's it's just because of our capitalistic free enterprise that enabled us to manufacture so much of what the war effort required that NO other country could come close to producing along with our men and women who fought and died. You seem to have lost track of the dispute. I am for capitalism = success in everything you are for big gov dependency. Socialism is a dead weight on a people.
@carlindelco You said, we should thank you that we aren't speaking German, and you think that doesn't come off just a wee bit arrogant?? Or that doesn't give the impression that the whole world should be on their knees kissing every Americans feet for WWI & II?? Please. You are one that can't keep track of a discussion. And for the record, I am for Universal Healthcare in MY country, which doesn't mean I am for big gov't.
@MadHabber93 Ahh if were were socialist we would NOT have had the abundant resources to win the war. My whole statement is logical and right. We all helped in wining the war however europe would have been conquered if NOT for the US . Japan would have continued to conquer if NOT for the US that just historical fact that's all. That' why all of europe celebrated Americans when they rolled in..
@MadHabber93 PS However, taken as a percentage of the population, Canada's enlistment of 1.1 million military personnel represents a proportionately smaller mobilization than that which occurred in Great Britain, Australia, or New Zealand. Approximately half of Canada's army and three-quarters of its air-force personnel never left the country, compared to the overseas deployment of approximately three-quarters of the forces of Australia, New Zealand, and the United States. ahh just more
@carlindelco And as far as your "capitalistic free enterprise" claim, you do realize that Canada has been rated more economically free than the States by the Heritage Foundation? I am sure you are familiar with that group.
@MadHabber93 yeah just THIS year... u guys always using fact out of context.. That's why we are complaining , we are losing our freedom, that's what this whole convo has been about don't or can't you read for comprehension?
@carlindelco Carlin, you are all over the map. You respond like 6 days later. Do you think you make any sense?? My reading comprehension is fine. Your ability to carry on a whole conversation is a joke. And tell me. And please get back to me before the oil stops flowing in the gulf, how are you less free today then 2 years ago??
@MadHabber93 Oh sorry about the delay between posts I WORK for a living and do NOT live in my parents basement.. I am less free every time o-man and the crazy socialist pass legislation.. The idea that now HAVE to obtain HI is insane.. it is a good.. a right can NOT be given to you by government read bill of rights..That's 1 of the things that makes this country unique God help you you have no idea what you are subscribing to and what you have here that needs to be protected from gov.
@carlindelco Dude, I got two kids, two incomes, two new cars every 3 years and a big ass house. Paid for. So spare the basement comment. And your last sentence is so run on it makes zero sense. Good for you. ANd answer my question instead of skirting it.
@MadHabber93 no one in America should be forced to BUY a machination of man AKA a good or service provided by a commercial enterprise.. that's how I am less free ok.?
@MadHabber93 Excuse me you reply is called doing drugs... I answered you.. IC you don't reply with your original question... only that accusation.. "And please get back to me before the oil stops flowing in the gulf, how are you less free today then 2 years ago?? " I answered with the fact that I am now in a position to be forced to buy something. I have lost my freedom in that decision ..HC is a good or service.. not a right to be given by the Gov and paid for by tax payers.
@MadHabber93 U see u mocker. just like your spiritual father. You guys like to be the one who get to "justify" everything.. that's the typical lib/prog. needing to control everything.You asked a simple question "how am I less free than a year ago?" I answered with a fact of reality and you reply with that.. It shows your immaturity. You guys NEVER have facts when debating so I guess I understand how frustrated you are when you debate someone with facts and knowledge lol better luck next time!
@carlindelco Mocker??? Carlin, you're an amateur, period. Show me in any one of my statements where I am trying to "control" you. Give me a break. Are you not mandated to have car insurance? Thought so. If mandated health insurance is the best you got, then God help your debating skills.
@MadHabber93 lol wow are you deliberately tossing a lob ball at me!..I mean really " car insurance argument"? wow!! ok lets see Ok ( conservative ans here) Buying car ins is a cogent to an act of volition under autonomous control ( Madhabber reply here) You only have to buy car ins. if you FREELY decide to buy a car. You also HAVE to get it inspected and purchase a registration IF you and only IF you buy a car. NOW hc you have absolutely NO choice in the matter at ALL!
so you are against a public police force, fire department, education board, etc.
There was a time when these were all privately run, which was obviously superior. Do you want regular police service that covers solving a capital offense against you? Or the premium package police coverage includes assault, theft case resolution. What kind of sick society would FORCE people to pay into a service like police. Disgusting communists.
@lubermanl ahh again you liberal demonstrate your illiteracy to the issues. The police force and fire are provided for in the general welfare, they are NOT a per diem cost controlled by a commercial for profit enterprise. Plus and this is a big one , in regards to police there needs to be uniform enforcement of laws and a central integration of criminal data and process. Also individual towns already in effect have their OWN police force? They have there own Fire dept. Doh!!! I win thanks
So you are in favour of police and fire because they are socially beneficial. Interesting. When you get sick, where did that come from? Do you think if other people are sick you are more likely to get sick? Is public healthcare not socially beneficial? If the free market is so much better for healthcare, why not privatize police and fire again? Should people sick or property on fire have the right to not buy insurance, even though the fire/sickness could spread? Or is it their prob
@lubermanl Look I can see you have no intellect for this debate. The fire and police are benefiting all people in a community that hires the police force. If there is a crime or a fire, hundreds of people can be affected. If someone gets sick it's 1 person. NOT the whole community. People WANT safety.. people have a CHOICE on HC some people who earn $50,000 don't have HC by choice! I can see you want everyone else to pay for YOUR personal health, housing , cars etc. but that would be socialism
"if there is a crime or a fire, hundreds of people can be affected. If someone gets sick it's 1 person. NOT the whole community"
Are you familiar with germ theory?
Sorry, I'm unclear as to why you support police and fire for their social benefits. But think that healthcare doesn't have any. Do you believe that healthcare has no social benefits? or do you think police and fire should be privatized? or can you explain your inconsistency. Do you not understand how illness can spread?
If you believe that people should be allowed to gamble with healthcare, despite the benefits. IE you acknowledge that healthcare is socially beneficial, but not worth making mandatory. Then shouldn't you be able to gamble with regards to fire and police as well? The fire dept will prevent fire from spreading to those with insurance, and police will protect people with police insurance.
@lubermanl Listen I don't know how clearer I can be. The police and firemen prevent the propagation of crime and or fire destroying the cities and people. They are NOT a for profit operation. HC is It is for personal health which may be affected by personal choices, drinking smoking, anal sex, etc It is a for profit operation. Despite your desires we the taxpayers can not afford to pay for everything that people WANT. socialized HC is a failure see Canada and England!
@bbensted That's why I have fire insurance.. that I BUY NOT someone else.. that's why... and the fire dept protects the public safety by preventing it from spreading say like the Chicago fire of 1871. Man do you guys even ever try to think? The fire and police is an example of the Public welfare it protects everyone EQUALLY.. HC is PERSONAL welfare that is different for everyone. A broken leg for 1 person is not the same cost as brain surgery..like you would get if u had one. I win again ! thnx
@carlindelco but its not that simple. Yes HC is personal, but a person's risk of needing HC is largely random and predetermined (genetics, income bracket).
@bbensted that's NOT true at all! Do you know what the 1# contributor to most prevalent diseases are 1) Obesity : Blood pressure , Diabetes, stroke and heart diseases That's not MY or anyone else's fault or responsibility that's all.. welcome to the universe. It's that simple.. we could spend all day about all the things that happen in this world that do not happen to other people and trying to equal everything out in our existence is a absurd endeavor!
@carlindelco Death panels? thats an american term isn't it? Never heard of Canada doing this. State your sources please cause all I find is American references.
@hylo1111 oops found it, created by right wing jack asses to debunk canadian healthcare that makes the rest of us conservatives look bad, rather than using real Constitutional or Economic arguements against Universal healthcare
Any time any politician talks about healthcare, ask 2 questions: "will this increase access?" and "will this reduce cost inflation?". McCain's MIGHT do both, Obama's will do the first but will exacerbate our cost inflation. Neither plan is worth supporting.
Someone point out to me where the Constitution says that the government can "provide health care," regulate the medical industry, or evinces a 'right' to health insurance.
No points for "general welfare" living-document bullshit, nor trying to interpret 'pursuit of happiness' to mean whatever suits you today (it means 'property').
If you want to tell me we have free-market medicine in this country, I urge you to go get a M.D. and try to open your own practice.
You are correct. It says in the constitution that treaty do not take precedence over the Constitution; however, medical care for all is not forbidden, or even mentioned, by the constitution, so there is no conflict.
The Constitution specifically states what powers are granted to Congress in Article I, Section 8. The 10th Amendment reserves anything else to the states or the people.
Banning bubble gum isn't mentioned in the Constitution either. That doesn't mean the federal government can outlaw bubble gum.
ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll: Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent sould support a nationalized healthcare system. There are countless other polls that show the same general felings toward nationalized health care.
The overwhelming public support is there. Act on it.
We are still bound by international treaties,so long as they do not supercede the consitution.
I'm sure that by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent would support government sponsored Steak Day every Monday, or that they would support everyone getting a yacht. Doesn't mean its smart, right, or permissible without Constitutional amendment.
Government doing something the Constitution does not ALLOW it to do IS a violation. I don't care what your treaty says.
I find your lack of faith in the people of the United States slightly disturbing. People realize that health care is something they need. I'm doubtful that most Americans would even want a government sponsored yacht. You're comparing trivial desires and consumerism with actual needs and devaluing the intelligence and agency, an interesting yet transparent tactic.
What's your spin on the "general welfare" clause or "domestic tranquility" in the preamble, or is that just "bullshit" as you state?
It isn't a lack of faith in the ppl of the US, it's a lack of faith in the government. And healthcare is not a need...the vast majority of medical expenses are not urgent needs, they are life-extending. There is a huge difference. There's no limit to how much we could spend trying to extend everyone's life as much as possible. That is not the same thing as guaranteeing basic necessities (emergency care, food, housing, etc).
its the people's job to make sure the gov't serves them you asshat. WE haven't done it because we stopped caring and became apathetic and selfish . We don't deserve nationalized healthcare. We deserve a third world hell hole nation beacuse of this shit. I think we are third world. A really advanced third world, but we have not developed any of our social structures within this country. We neglect and destroy them. Then vote in more idiots to do the same.
Part of keeping the Gov in check IS lacking faith in their abilities. I think it's tough to argue that we are apathetic. Since 9/11 we've been a hyper-political country...clearly apathy isn't the problem. Don't confuse the lack of progress that results from opposing interest groups with the lack of progress from apathy.
Every single country with universal healthcare has a small military, a small government, they don't have bases world wide, they aren't fighting in war after war around the world and they live within their means. The sad truth is, America can't afford universal healthcare, and we won't anytime soon, unless of course we start cutting back. For instance, we spend 10x more on defense than the UK and about 40x more than Canada. If we don't start cutting back, you can kiss our empire goodbye.
Afford it or not, the U.S. pays a lot more for healthcare than any other country. But we give the money to insurance & pharmaceutical profiteers. So, while we pay more than any other country for healthcare, we get less. Universal healthcare is much cheaper than the way we do it now.
The health care that illegal immigrants tend to get for free is emergency services, which no hospital can legally deny to any person, citizen or otherwise, anywhere in this country for any reason.
and it isn't realy health care. I'm someone who has gone through the ER with no insurance. It sucks. I got misdiagnoised also. Its all one big cluster fuck. Also only Public hospitals are forced. Private ones can kick your ass to the curve. And many do so.
In order for any body to live longer than the expectancy of any of the individual parts, all the parts must work together for the survival of the body as a whole.
Though health care is not a "right", it is a responsibility of leader to make sure the best is available to all. Business and Government fail when there are no workers or citizens healthy enough to produce the products or defend the country.
Daniel Kingery, President of the United States --Apprentice
ShiekYerbooty, wake up, its the government that screwing this country over right now and messing up the economy, its the private industry with politicians in their back pocket that has our economy in ruins right now.
Less government and less regulations is the reason we had to spend $850 billion dollars to bailout wall street.
I meant to say its NOT he government that screwing this country over right now and messing up the economy, its the private industry with politicians in their back pocket that has our economy in ruins right now.
Less government and less regulations is the reason we had to spend $850 billion dollars to bailout wall street.
Thanks for the reply. The Government IS the politicians who " put themselves " in the pockets of banking and industry, they have a choice. The sad fact is that these politicians have not worked for us since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, even worse , the Emergency Banking Act of 1933 made the privately owned " Federal Reserve " the defacto shadow government. They work for the central bankers and have for quite some time. Remeber Walter Reed ? Bed sores, black mold, rat infestations, patients..
patients lying in their own feces and waste, that is what government run health care looks like. I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said " The government that is powerfull enough to give you everything, is also powerfull enough to take it away "
The government " helps " a lot, or they say they do, but it never really seems to Help, it only seems to make people more dependant on Government and less able to take care of themselves
Thanks for the response, and the invite. You bring up a valid point, they voted on it because they think they are getting something... they are getting is fleeced. Canadians pay up to 50% of their income to their government through income taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes,etc,etc..... now ask them whether they'd rather have Government Health care or 30% of their wages back and I'll bet the vote would have been different.
Here's something ......they also voted to re-elect Harper, yikes
The names will change but the globalist agenda will continue. Did you not find it odd that a " republican " president supported the bailout bill, but it was the republicans in congress that voted it down the first time and it was the " democrats " who supported it ? The left vs right is simply theater to keep us divided and conquered.
No, I'm not surprised that the GOP voted against it the first time. They had meant to pass it by a slim margin, but then their "feelings" were hurt and they ended up defeating the bill, making them look foolish. The GOP screwed up and they knew it, so they made sure not to make the same mistake on the second pass of the bill...
The GOP is a divisive party. I believe that we build by addition, not division. The GOP seems to be against everyone and everything so Americans have had enough...
Replacing Bush will do nothing to slow the Government down, you do realize that Bush could not have done any of this without the Congress and Senate approving and funding it all, right ? After all, the democrats have had a majority in both houses for almost three years, and they still give King George everything he's asked for.
The Democrats have barely had control over Congress for less than 2 years. During that time, the GOP has used the Filibuster far more than it has ever been used to obstruct Congress's ability to do anything. The GOP controlled Congress for over 12 years and GW controlled it for 7+. This economic disaster was created by the GOP. Phil Graham and Enron lobbyists wrote the deregulation accord that was slipped into an emergency budget bill at the last minute in 2000. The GOP owns this disaster..
Thanks for the reply. You mean the bill that Bill Clinton signed and defends to this day ? FISA, Continued funding for both wars, Bailout. Which bills did the repubs fillibuster ? I don't remember them. And the bailout....The media created the Myth that it was voted down because opf Pelosi's speech, when interviewed most republicans and constitutional loving democrats like Kucinich and Kaptur said they voted against it because of the broad unaccountable powers it would give Paulson.....cont.
Look. I'm not trying to defend the republicans, they're all crooks, I'm just trying to help you see through the media spin, and realize they are all on the same team and it's not ours
Just because GW and the GOP have created such a huge mess in less than 8 years doesn't mean that all politicians from both parties are bad. There have been some politicians that have fought tooth and nail but were powerless to prevent the utter destruction of the country by the GOP...
Your view of the world is pretty dark. What do you think life would be like without laws and leaders? Look around you. Most of what you enjoy and take for granted was brought to you by Liberal politicians...
Clinton did sign the emergency appropriations bill because his hands were tied. If he had vetoed it, the government would have shut down and millions of people would have been without work and pay until another bill was passed. The accord that Graham slipped in was only a small part of the overall emergency bill and few people had even read it. It had nothing to do with appropriations and had no business being a part of it. Unfortunately, Clinton didn't have a line item veto to remove it...
If you want general healthcare, you have the goverment pay hospitals for that healthcare as well as take care of the money collecting. Hospitals can still be privatized, and non basic services can still be bought from hospitals.
Why do it that way? Because a regulated insurance company that can't "discriminate" is no more efficent than the goverment. It is the same bullshit as subprime loans. The american goverment trying to regulate the market in the wrong way instead of working with it.
It is a person's responsibility to maintain good health. However,if the same individual is afflicted with cancer or some other disease,then I believe it is a person's right to receive medical care. Health care shouldn't bankrupt families.
What kind of society only cares for those who have wealth? It's especially hypocritical when this attitude comes mostly from the "Christian" right!
I was not as impressed with Obama's answer to this question. Neither candidate seemed to regard health care as a right or to have ever thought of it in those terms. Brokaw rephrased the question in a way that helped them to duck it.
lowered medical standards creates lawsuits which creates high insurance premiums which has inflated the quality of medical service thereby raising it's prices which the insurance companies refuse to pay because it eats profits.
Answer: Take Health Insurance Companies out the stock market make them non-profit the way they were supposed to be. also Raise the standards on medical practitioners.
health care is a scam. when you go to the doctor they try to treat you with tons of prescriptions. it's not surprising that this con man is pushing it. easy to focus on health care when the economy is in deep water. dumbed down americans like that. duh... pull the screw out of your head dummies.
Billyboob18 , wow you're a self-conceded hypocrite.
Ever hear of a story about a 20 year old woman being told she isn't covered by her insurance cuz she's too young to have cancer. Consider yourself lucky you are in good health. Knock on wood buddy. Stop being an ignorant moron please...
The one that floored me was the woman who had a yeast infection [it happens] *20 years before* and was refused treatment for breast cancer because she had a "pre-existing condition" and was turned down, not by a doctor--but a desk monkey.
You are what you eat. Health care is a responsibility. If you care enough about what you eat, and take action to eat correctly, then you wont need health care. I eat oats everyday as well as staying away from fast food. Look at America. I see a bunch of fat asses who don't are about their health, therefore they are unhealthy. Should I pay money to people who don't give a damn about health? They demand I pay for their care. Am I missing something here? Get off your ass and take care of yourself.
I don't need a piece of paper telling me that I'm qualified as an authority on the issue. And yes, since switching to a natural, healthy diet, I can hang around as many sick people I want and not catch it. And if I happen to catch something, the I'll treat myself. I don't expect others to fork over wealth on my behalf for treatments that treat the symptom and not the cause.
a little bit of cayenne pepper actually cures alot of things as does garlic. most americans are all drugged out so they don't care if their getting it from the big pharma or off the street. dope = american.
Get a bunch of spices in bulk and you can treat a whole bunch of stuff yourself cheaper than over-the-counter drugs. Things like headache, heartburn, nausea, travel sickness, bad breath etc you could simply take some spices for. Just look them up.
*You* are more medically advanced than people who spend upwards of 7 years in medical universities and devote their lives to improving health and curing disease. All because you read a few best selling books shilling some idiot notion or other with little/no research to back up the claims.
Fine. You believe that. It's your body.
However, when it comes to people *I* care about--you're not qualified to express a professional opinion.
Good, then can you explain why there are more doctors in this country as well as more sickness. Why is the general health of this country hitting rock bottom? "Doctors" do not help based on previous experience. You can choose what to do with your body, but don't take the fruit of my labor to pay for your doctor visits.
"More doctors"--can you find that statistic for me? Do you mean per capita? Coming out of university? Not retiring and adding to the workforce? Since what date?
On WHAT statistics or research are you basing that blanket statement?
The "general health" of America is *down* on all international scales due to the amount of Americans that *do not* get receive proper healthcare due to your crappy HMO insurance.
Right. "Fruits of your labours" well billybbob--if you have a work related accident you are going to be completely screwed and may go bankrupt like 50% of the people that happens to.
I'm perfectly happy to pay my tax dollars so you can let your health fall completely apart before you realize that oats don't cure illnesses.
If you care that much about everyone else's diet--work to outlaw fast food.
I try to spread awareness about the toxins that people keep filling their bodies with willingly and unknowingly. Aspartame, MSG, fluoride, mercury, HFCS, GMO's, nearly all medications, "enriched" white flour, pesticides, ec. The doctors will rarely inform you about the real cause of ailment which put you in the hospital in the first place. They're only interested in treatment, not cures. You can make fun of my healthy diet all you want,I KNOW that foods cure better than pills.Industry=Corruption
By your own words, you were poisoned and went to the hospital.
You're slagging the medical profession, however--they obviously know more than you do.
Do you have ANY idea what the average lifespan was before antibiotics and vaccinations? Try less than 50 years and half of all children died before age 5.
When you can PROVE through *scientific* research that much improvement, I'll start listening.
i think its both. we should all have the right to see a doctor whether it be our yearly physical or we need emergency room care or have a life threatening illness. its also a responsibility because we have to make sure our own bodies are healthy and that our hospitals are economic to visit.
evb4mvp 1 year ago
Push back... your politicians has staffers that answer the phone and record and Track call-ins.
They even agree to note your issues and log the calls to show there boss who and how many issues there dealing with and if your a voting from their district.
Low to no complaints allows them to vote with the money... voter HEAT count puts them into a survival mod .
If they commit to the money in a HIGH HEAT count, bet your last dollar they go into the next election wearing a parachute .
ubuibiok 2 years ago
To claim that health care is a right is to claim that one person owes another person their labor simply because the person receiving the benefit of that labor exists. That is an absurd notion on its face. For one person to claim such a right, another person must necessarily be indebted to him from the start - by default - because the service being demanded has value, and that service will not have to be compensated for by the recipient due to a proclaimed birthright. How is that not slavery?
DarcPrynce 2 years ago
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Psychosmurf547 2 years ago
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hylo1111 2 years ago
How am I looking at this question the wrong way? It's a pretty straightforward question, and the answer is inarguable. One cannot justifiably claim another person's labor as a right. Health care amounts to the labor of doctors and nurses. No one has a right to their services.
DarcPrynce 2 years ago
Actually your right, I miss read your statement sorry. Removing my old comment.
hylo1111 2 years ago
Alrighty then. ;o)
DarcPrynce 2 years ago
@DarcPrynce I agree with this. If we were to follow the original principles of the American constitution, which overall limits the power and scope of government, then we would follow a principle of individual rights, rather than making needs into rights. People certainly need health care, as well as food, water, and shelter, but that does not make them rights.
duke1duke1 1 year ago
Bingo!
DarcPrynce 1 year ago
a nurse from california who writes on the huffington post agrees with obama, shocker! what people don't understand is the argument isn't about "giving people healthcare or letting them fend for themselves" It is about what will be better for people. Government healthcare= poor quality. Instead of judging these programs by their intentions we should judge them by their results and the results around the world show that private healthcare is better for people.
jackieblum14 2 years ago
Medicare is not successful. Where did that dumb bitch get that from. Social Security is in a huge hole but Medicare is in a hole about 5 times greater. There simply is not enough wage earners in America to cover the baby boomers in 2040.
careylehmann 3 years ago
THE BUDGET IS ALREADY THERE!
Currently, our government shells out over $7000.00 per capita per year for healthcare which is twice what Canada allots for its nationalized healthcare program.
What's stopping us from going forward with this idea is the corrupt insurance companies who are not about to give up the enormous profits they are making without a fight.
HalcyonRain321 3 years ago
Obama is going to bankrupt Coal business. If it is eliminated (50% of USA power is from coal), the price will inevitable go up big time. I am not sure either if other sources can cope with USA power demand (Obama is not a fan of Nuclear either). If the price of power goes up, HOW can OBAMA ENSURE that those that need power to heat up their house (DURING WINTER TIME) can afford it. I think before he categorize HEALTH CARE as our RIGHT, we should include WATER,FOOD,POWER as our RIGHT as well.
bergadangtidakbaik 3 years ago
Obama will merely be a face plastered over the bankruptcy of the coal industry & all other businesses bankrupted by the global financial crisis created by the corruption and greed driving our economy for the past 30 years.
Until & unless the corporate monopolies sitting above our industries & economy are busted up & true competition with nonpartisan regulation are reintroduced into our systems we can expect 80-95% of our population will continue suffer loss of resources & financial security.
HalcyonRain321 3 years ago
bergadangtidakbaik: if you want real change, concentrate your efforts at the local & state levels of government. Insist that your representatives do everything in their power to undo unconstitutional laws which have slowly but surely allowed criminal corporations to wedge themselves between you and your human rights.
Without basic food, shelter, fuel, medicine & education human beings cannot prosper. These components must be removed from the greed machine & closely regulated.
HalcyonRain321 3 years ago
Yes, this has been done successfully in CHINA.
bergadangtidakbaik 3 years ago
bergadangtidabaik: there is no reason to believe that we will become a communist state in order to meet the fundamental needs of our people. There is plenty of other stuff to capitalize big time on besides food, water, small apartments, basic utilities (electric, gas, phone), medicine (especially birth control)& and a primary education with a couple of years technical job training if you're not high school or college material. Money can & will be made on these things- just not windfall profits.
HalcyonRain321 3 years ago
Funny it's twice that of Canada and yet Canada is going broke !! We have the BEST health care that's why people come from all over the world to get treatment here. Don't conflate health Care with Health Care ins. The ins companies have problems that's for sure we want to fix this it's just that this obamanation plan is going to cost us money we DON'T have.
carlindelco 2 years ago
Actually, no. By any measure you want, Canada has a sounder financial system, whether in banking, government, or international trade. The Canadian government has reserves to cover our entitlements and future economic downturns. We carry less debt as a percentage of our GDP than the United States, and have done so since well before the Obama Administration took office. Our medical system costs less than that of the United States and delivers better results.
locutas1024 2 years ago
@carlindelco Canada is not broke our imports and exports are fairly equal. and if we go to the states for care it just means we can afford it got it?
hylo1111 2 years ago
Yes your HC is broke.(canadian health care system euthanasia) search see why.. you should read before you comment. and second ok so you can afford it? why do you bother coming here IF you HC is so good? I mean "better" I wouldn't go to another country to pay more for inferior HC ..??? DOH!! so easy to shoot down you guys.. you ALWAYS have contradictory or hypocritical arguments better luck next time
carlindelco 2 years ago
All I said Canada is not going broke. Also I never said Canada has better healthcare. There are facilities that are better in States in certain areas that is true.With that said What exactly did you shoot down?Like your system our system needs to be tweeked. I donth think a complete overall would be necessary in either. I think thereare better ways to fix your system, similar thing can be done to ours, but as long as it is controlled. Its not contradictory, its thoughtful
hylo1111 2 years ago
@hylo1111 It is... why is Canada considering euthanasia ( death panels)? The whole world except you acknowledges that our system is the best!! An example of your system that you claim needs "tweeking" "
The median clinically reasonable wait time before receiving neurosurgery is 5.8 weeks. In Canada in 2008 it was 31.7 weeks" Yeah right.!! You like the rest of the "i wanna someone to take care of me generation " You are in denial and are intellectually dishonest!!!
carlindelco 2 years ago
@carlindelco worke for a farmer from 12 to 14, worked at gas station till 18, worked on rigs till 20, pulpmill till 33, treatment plant till 36,Paid more income tax than some gross in a year, paid for my own schooling, no bailouts from mommy or daddy, no Unemployment, welfare or compensation. I take care of me bro.I have retirements saved up I have investments, what do you have?Canada Sucths.Yeah find where Canada is Deficient and ad private care to fill the holes.Restructure where needed.
hylo1111 2 years ago
Why are you arguing with me? I agree with self reliance.. Not Gov/nanny state..
carlindelco 2 years ago
@carlindelco then just say you don't want health care like Canada because Universal healthcare would be bad for the US economy, creates big government, its inefficient, slows down progress and there are better ways to fix the US healthcare system.You are bashing another country as way for justifying why US is better than Canada. Also instead of complaining offer some real solutions to your problems instead of blaming others, and government.
hylo1111 2 years ago
? You make no sense and have no idea of what the concept of "evidence" is When we state that their will be problems, us conservatives ALWAYS have what's called proof and evidence. That would be Canada and the uk, and virtually any other communist country in the world. The rest of the world is turning away from this Gov HC nonsense because they have found out the hard way. When you libs argue for something it's always without any facts,and coupled with hate speech. I am using Canada as a example
carlindelco 2 years ago
Right, because the UK and Canada are communist....lol.
kubush 1 year ago
@kubush LOL I misspoke in conjugating the UK , Canada and communist countries.. I meant that anywhere else that these "socialist ideas" were implemented. In ALL of these countries, there HC IS referred to as "socialized medicine" They are horrible in quality and extremely expensive.
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco A number of things you got wrong in your post. One, healthcare in Canada is of equal quality to the U.S., with health outcomes being the same or better in many cases. Second, American for profit, insurance run healthcare is the highest on the planet.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 What?? are you joking.. no body and I mean NO BODY believe that but you angry socialist posters..in many cases?? lol yeah that's why people all over the world including Canadians come here IF they can for quality care and excellence. We create all the drugs and equipment and have the best specialist.. don't confuse "best" with "free" as you guys always do..
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Your ignorance is typical. THe U.S. consumes 55% of all drugs, yet only produce 50% of them. Do some research on R&D in Canada and Europe before spouting off what you CLEARLY know nothing about.
I never said our care was the best, I said of equal quality, and many times better. You want the links?? And you do realize that Americans who can't afford the cost of healthcare in the U.S. travel to other countries including CANADA. Again, do some research.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Better? is that not quality? hah ahh top ten pharmaceutical companies in the world the U.S. has 7/10 spots... and the top 2 positions.. so I am not ignorant ur.. don't use generic production with patent and research.. But thanks for trying. Canada is better in what field? please tell me? God Bless..
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Almost all major drug companies in the world have research facilities in Canada. Why? Highly educated workforce, great facilities and excellent researches responsible for creating more discoveries than what we consume as a country.What field? I'll quote from a 2007 review: :We identified 38 studies comparing populations of patients in Canada and the United States. Cont'd
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@carlindelco Studies addressed diverse problems, including cancer, coronary artery disease, chronic medical illnesses and surgical procedures. Of 10 studies that included extensive statistical adjustment and enrolled broad populations, 5 favoured Canada, 2 favoured the United States, and 3 showed equivalent or mixed results.con'td
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@carlindelco Of 28 studies that failed one of these criteria, 9 favoured Canada, 3 favoured the United States, and 16 showed equivalent or mixed results. Overall, results for mortality favoured Canada (relative risk 0.95, 95% confidence interval 0.92-0.98, p= 0.002)
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Ahh we have a significantly higher population that factors in on life span.. The more complex a society is the greater the risk. Look at auto insurance for correlative support. geez you guys crack me up. The whole world knows we have the best in treatment and specialist.
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco What's auto insurance have to do with it??? You guys crack me up. You think you have a monopoly on having the best treatment and specialists. You have SOME of the best, not ALL of the best. Get overselves already. And really, even if you did have all the best treatments, it means nothing when millions can't access it due to cost or denial.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 lol you have to use my lines haha so funny such a typical foreigner can't invent anything on your own. Stop hating America we have created EVERYTHING in the world.. we are responsible for every major invention and innovation.. The computer you are on, the web, the phone, ac current, and your modern car.. what has Canada done.. ahh hockey and a couple actors... wow! Capitalism, God and freedom are responsible for all the things you use and take for granted so stop knocking us.
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Where, in any of my posts, have I "hated" on the States. That's right. I DIDN"T. I'm not knocking you, I'm proving your opinions wrong. Just like believing the phone was an AMerican invention. Or the fact that more modern cars are produced in the province of Ontario than any other U.S. state, including Michigan. Why? Because its costs up to $1500 less to produce a car here because of Universal healthcare. Its called research, try it.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@carlindelco And before you go inflating your head anymore than you already have, just google Canadian inventions and learn a bit about your neighbour before making yourself look like a fool.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Ok sure.. wow did you have to mention so may here.. lol.. did you just have to google it to find out what you guys have done.. lol I don't We are the best and the best are always envied. Stop trying to tell us we should be inferior like most of the rest of the world ok?
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco No my dear ignorant boy, I know what we've done. Its time for you to learn, instead of being a typical ignorant ass American who 'thinks' they are the best. That's why your country is going to hell in a hand basket. Ignorance little one, ignorance. Ha ha ha.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 LOl again you waste 2 posts and say nothing..lol You have nothing think about that. There isn't 1 thing that you use in your house or through your day that was invented in you country.. I would feel pretty shitty too if I were you. You subscribe to a philosophy of hate and spite, while we believe in God and right. Jeez George Washington Carver come up with over 300 things to do with a peanut !! while all you guys can do is... is... wait what do you guys do? lol
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Here ya go dickwad:
AM radio, IMAX projector and system,
panoramic pictures and camera,standard time, telephone, transceiver (walkie-talkie), the zipper, insulin, pablum, Blackberry, robertson screw, washing machine, pulp newsprint, sewage recycling system, baseball, basketball,air-conditioned vehicle, Canadarm, electric car Just to name a few.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@carlindelco Ignornace is bliss sunshine.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
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MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 I wouldn't know why don't your share.. lol this is too easy.. u guys have absolutely nothing.. aside from personal insults and misdirected rage..
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Nothing but personal insults?? I guess you saying Canadians haven't provided anything to the world isn't insulting?? That's right, its just ignorance. You seem to be an expert at that. There you go, a complement for you. Bam.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Ahh you need to look up the definitions of "facts" and "insults" copy and paste them.. then read them outloud and tyr to tell if they sound different. ok?
This is your 3rd "rebuttal"? and you still haven't come back with anything that the great northern socialist/progressive country of Canada has contributed to the world??? So to you I say thanks for playin I win again 3rd time lmao..
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco I guess you can't read. Good for you. You started this by saying the U.S. healthcare system had better quality and results than the Canadian one. That's called opinion. I countered with studies showing the opposite. THose are called facts. Then I provided a long, partial list of Canadian contributions to the world. Then you come back garbage??? Ha ha ha ha. It's fun whipping you everytime. Move along little one. YOu are out of your league.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@carlindelco So I guess you don't switch on your lightbulb in the morning. I guess you don't use a telephone. I guess you never played basketball, hockey or baseball. I guess you've never used a Blackberry or watched television. And I guess you don't appreciate unzipping your boyfriend's zipper everyday for his daily BJ. All Canadian contributions to the world. I know your boy friend appreciates his zipper that you work so well.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Are smoking crack?? All that invented here IN America pal..continuous Clothing Closure, was patented in the United States by Elias Howe in 1851. " Lightbulb first incandescent light bulb that would be Edison.Blackberry" ahh that's not an invention you dofus it's a development LOL you guys really smoke it up there ay? lol nah just your socialist revisionist history.. sad.. so very sad and pathetic.. need to re write history..America is the greatest ever!!!
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Howe never patented his design. Gideon Sundbeck (Canadian) is credited for the modern zipper in 1913 while patenting the 'Separable Fastener' in 1917. He also created the manufacturing machine for the zipper. For the lightbulb, Canadian Henry Woodward invented the electric lightbulb and sold his patent to Edison in 1874. Our smoke is fine, but I think you just pissed off your boyfriend with your lack of correct history.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Yes he did...you better read this ideafinder/com/history/inventions/lightbulb/htm Woody didn't have the first idea on the lightbulb.. neither did he have a commercially viable one...That's why Edison is credited with the "modern Incandescent light bulb" Again Everything that is anything of "real" importance or value was invented or as I said before made better in America...The world already knows and accepts this why do you even bother ?
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Your 'view' of things doesn't change real history sunshine. Your boyfriend accepts your talent in using the Sundbeck zipper. Your over inflated view of America's contributions to the world is also funny. Thanks for the nice laugh before the work week.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Just a insult huh? typical... If it wasn't for us you would be speaking German now.. God Bless America
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Whatever dickhead. Canada was fighting and dying years before the States finally got their heads out of the sand to fight in both World Wars.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Canada fighting? what? lol what they send 200 troops or something.. we lost hundreds of thousands ww1 Cans 64,944 USA 116,708
now here is a complete joke WW2 Cans 45,300 USA 416,800 + 1,700 civilians so go away.. ok or rather just stay up there if ur really up there...
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Wow, ignorance is bliss dickhead. We are 1/10 your size, so we sacrificed way more per population. Way to prove my point loser. No wonder your single. ANd last time I checked, we are on the same team. Grow up already.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 ahhh my point was now pay attention.."you would be speaking German if NOT for America" I didn't say it was BECAUSE more of us died. God !do they teach reading for comprehension up there or do you graduate based on age? We are, all I am doing is stating we are the greatest because of our belief in God and freedom that comes from him., rather than claiming credit as a matter of social programs. Capitalism = freedom socialism = tyranny
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco I know what you meant Einstein. I'm pointing out that Canadians DIED in WWI and II, just like Americans. We liberated many parts of Europe, just like Americans. The difference is, we don't sing to the heavens praising how great our country is, nor pretend we were the only country fighting and dieing in those wars. Get off your high horse, you pompous, ignorant, neo-conservative, Christian fundamentalist asshole!!!
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 I didn't say we were "the only" one's it's just because of our capitalistic free enterprise that enabled us to manufacture so much of what the war effort required that NO other country could come close to producing along with our men and women who fought and died. You seem to have lost track of the dispute. I am for capitalism = success in everything you are for big gov dependency. Socialism is a dead weight on a people.
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco You said, we should thank you that we aren't speaking German, and you think that doesn't come off just a wee bit arrogant?? Or that doesn't give the impression that the whole world should be on their knees kissing every Americans feet for WWI & II?? Please. You are one that can't keep track of a discussion. And for the record, I am for Universal Healthcare in MY country, which doesn't mean I am for big gov't.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Ahh if were were socialist we would NOT have had the abundant resources to win the war. My whole statement is logical and right. We all helped in wining the war however europe would have been conquered if NOT for the US . Japan would have continued to conquer if NOT for the US that just historical fact that's all. That' why all of europe celebrated Americans when they rolled in..
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Ask a Belgian or Dutchman what they think of Canadians. You do realize that MOST Euro's make fun of you...right?? Who am I kidding.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 PS However, taken as a percentage of the population, Canada's enlistment of 1.1 million military personnel represents a proportionately smaller mobilization than that which occurred in Great Britain, Australia, or New Zealand. Approximately half of Canada's army and three-quarters of its air-force personnel never left the country, compared to the overseas deployment of approximately three-quarters of the forces of Australia, New Zealand, and the United States. ahh just more
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco And as far as your "capitalistic free enterprise" claim, you do realize that Canada has been rated more economically free than the States by the Heritage Foundation? I am sure you are familiar with that group.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 yeah just THIS year... u guys always using fact out of context.. That's why we are complaining , we are losing our freedom, that's what this whole convo has been about don't or can't you read for comprehension?
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Carlin, you are all over the map. You respond like 6 days later. Do you think you make any sense?? My reading comprehension is fine. Your ability to carry on a whole conversation is a joke. And tell me. And please get back to me before the oil stops flowing in the gulf, how are you less free today then 2 years ago??
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Oh sorry about the delay between posts I WORK for a living and do NOT live in my parents basement.. I am less free every time o-man and the crazy socialist pass legislation.. The idea that now HAVE to obtain HI is insane.. it is a good.. a right can NOT be given to you by government read bill of rights..That's 1 of the things that makes this country unique God help you you have no idea what you are subscribing to and what you have here that needs to be protected from gov.
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Dude, I got two kids, two incomes, two new cars every 3 years and a big ass house. Paid for. So spare the basement comment. And your last sentence is so run on it makes zero sense. Good for you. ANd answer my question instead of skirting it.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 no one in America should be forced to BUY a machination of man AKA a good or service provided by a commercial enterprise.. that's how I am less free ok.?
carlindelco 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 I did, can't you read.
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco That is what you call skirting the answer.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 Excuse me you reply is called doing drugs... I answered you.. IC you don't reply with your original question... only that accusation.. "And please get back to me before the oil stops flowing in the gulf, how are you less free today then 2 years ago?? " I answered with the fact that I am now in a position to be forced to buy something. I have lost my freedom in that decision ..HC is a good or service.. not a right to be given by the Gov and paid for by tax payers.
Put down the pipe
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Wow, how can you go on with life with such a terrible burden. God help you now. Eyes rolling.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 U see u mocker. just like your spiritual father. You guys like to be the one who get to "justify" everything.. that's the typical lib/prog. needing to control everything.You asked a simple question "how am I less free than a year ago?" I answered with a fact of reality and you reply with that.. It shows your immaturity. You guys NEVER have facts when debating so I guess I understand how frustrated you are when you debate someone with facts and knowledge lol better luck next time!
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Mocker??? Carlin, you're an amateur, period. Show me in any one of my statements where I am trying to "control" you. Give me a break. Are you not mandated to have car insurance? Thought so. If mandated health insurance is the best you got, then God help your debating skills.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
@MadHabber93 lol wow are you deliberately tossing a lob ball at me!..I mean really " car insurance argument"? wow!! ok lets see Ok ( conservative ans here) Buying car ins is a cogent to an act of volition under autonomous control ( Madhabber reply here) You only have to buy car ins. if you FREELY decide to buy a car. You also HAVE to get it inspected and purchase a registration IF you and only IF you buy a car. NOW hc you have absolutely NO choice in the matter at ALL!
Do you get it?
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco
so you are against a public police force, fire department, education board, etc.
There was a time when these were all privately run, which was obviously superior. Do you want regular police service that covers solving a capital offense against you? Or the premium package police coverage includes assault, theft case resolution. What kind of sick society would FORCE people to pay into a service like police. Disgusting communists.
lubermanl 1 year ago
@lubermanl ahh again you liberal demonstrate your illiteracy to the issues. The police force and fire are provided for in the general welfare, they are NOT a per diem cost controlled by a commercial for profit enterprise. Plus and this is a big one , in regards to police there needs to be uniform enforcement of laws and a central integration of criminal data and process. Also individual towns already in effect have their OWN police force? They have there own Fire dept. Doh!!! I win thanks
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco
So you are in favour of police and fire because they are socially beneficial. Interesting. When you get sick, where did that come from? Do you think if other people are sick you are more likely to get sick? Is public healthcare not socially beneficial? If the free market is so much better for healthcare, why not privatize police and fire again? Should people sick or property on fire have the right to not buy insurance, even though the fire/sickness could spread? Or is it their prob
lubermanl 1 year ago
@lubermanl Look I can see you have no intellect for this debate. The fire and police are benefiting all people in a community that hires the police force. If there is a crime or a fire, hundreds of people can be affected. If someone gets sick it's 1 person. NOT the whole community. People WANT safety.. people have a CHOICE on HC some people who earn $50,000 don't have HC by choice! I can see you want everyone else to pay for YOUR personal health, housing , cars etc. but that would be socialism
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco
"if there is a crime or a fire, hundreds of people can be affected. If someone gets sick it's 1 person. NOT the whole community"
Are you familiar with germ theory?
Sorry, I'm unclear as to why you support police and fire for their social benefits. But think that healthcare doesn't have any. Do you believe that healthcare has no social benefits? or do you think police and fire should be privatized? or can you explain your inconsistency. Do you not understand how illness can spread?
lubermanl 1 year ago
@carlindelco
If you believe that people should be allowed to gamble with healthcare, despite the benefits. IE you acknowledge that healthcare is socially beneficial, but not worth making mandatory. Then shouldn't you be able to gamble with regards to fire and police as well? The fire dept will prevent fire from spreading to those with insurance, and police will protect people with police insurance.
lubermanl 1 year ago
@lubermanl Listen I don't know how clearer I can be. The police and firemen prevent the propagation of crime and or fire destroying the cities and people. They are NOT a for profit operation. HC is It is for personal health which may be affected by personal choices, drinking smoking, anal sex, etc It is a for profit operation. Despite your desires we the taxpayers can not afford to pay for everything that people WANT. socialized HC is a failure see Canada and England!
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco personal choice affects the chances of you're house catching fire too. Why not privatize the fire dept?
bbensted 1 year ago
@bbensted That's why I have fire insurance.. that I BUY NOT someone else.. that's why... and the fire dept protects the public safety by preventing it from spreading say like the Chicago fire of 1871. Man do you guys even ever try to think? The fire and police is an example of the Public welfare it protects everyone EQUALLY.. HC is PERSONAL welfare that is different for everyone. A broken leg for 1 person is not the same cost as brain surgery..like you would get if u had one. I win again ! thnx
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco but its not that simple. Yes HC is personal, but a person's risk of needing HC is largely random and predetermined (genetics, income bracket).
bbensted 1 year ago
@bbensted that's NOT true at all! Do you know what the 1# contributor to most prevalent diseases are 1) Obesity : Blood pressure , Diabetes, stroke and heart diseases That's not MY or anyone else's fault or responsibility that's all.. welcome to the universe. It's that simple.. we could spend all day about all the things that happen in this world that do not happen to other people and trying to equal everything out in our existence is a absurd endeavor!
carlindelco 1 year ago
@carlindelco Death panels? thats an american term isn't it? Never heard of Canada doing this. State your sources please cause all I find is American references.
hylo1111 2 years ago
@hylo1111 oops found it, created by right wing jack asses to debunk canadian healthcare that makes the rest of us conservatives look bad, rather than using real Constitutional or Economic arguements against Universal healthcare
hylo1111 2 years ago
Any time any politician talks about healthcare, ask 2 questions: "will this increase access?" and "will this reduce cost inflation?". McCain's MIGHT do both, Obama's will do the first but will exacerbate our cost inflation. Neither plan is worth supporting.
random63x 3 years ago
Someone point out to me where the Constitution says that the government can "provide health care," regulate the medical industry, or evinces a 'right' to health insurance.
No points for "general welfare" living-document bullshit, nor trying to interpret 'pursuit of happiness' to mean whatever suits you today (it means 'property').
If you want to tell me we have free-market medicine in this country, I urge you to go get a M.D. and try to open your own practice.
immanent 3 years ago
The right to medical care is illustrated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, an international treaty of which the U.S. is a signatory.
anarchrisis 3 years ago
A treaty cannot, or rather SHOULD not, violate the letter of the supreme law of the land, the Constitution.
immanent 3 years ago
You are correct. It says in the constitution that treaty do not take precedence over the Constitution; however, medical care for all is not forbidden, or even mentioned, by the constitution, so there is no conflict.
anarchrisis 3 years ago
The Constitution specifically states what powers are granted to Congress in Article I, Section 8. The 10th Amendment reserves anything else to the states or the people.
Banning bubble gum isn't mentioned in the Constitution either. That doesn't mean the federal government can outlaw bubble gum.
immanent 3 years ago
ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll: Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent sould support a nationalized healthcare system. There are countless other polls that show the same general felings toward nationalized health care.
The overwhelming public support is there. Act on it.
We are still bound by international treaties,so long as they do not supercede the consitution.
anarchrisis 3 years ago
I'm sure that by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent would support government sponsored Steak Day every Monday, or that they would support everyone getting a yacht. Doesn't mean its smart, right, or permissible without Constitutional amendment.
Government doing something the Constitution does not ALLOW it to do IS a violation. I don't care what your treaty says.
immanent 3 years ago
I find your lack of faith in the people of the United States slightly disturbing. People realize that health care is something they need. I'm doubtful that most Americans would even want a government sponsored yacht. You're comparing trivial desires and consumerism with actual needs and devaluing the intelligence and agency, an interesting yet transparent tactic.
What's your spin on the "general welfare" clause or "domestic tranquility" in the preamble, or is that just "bullshit" as you state?
anarchrisis 3 years ago
It isn't a lack of faith in the ppl of the US, it's a lack of faith in the government. And healthcare is not a need...the vast majority of medical expenses are not urgent needs, they are life-extending. There is a huge difference. There's no limit to how much we could spend trying to extend everyone's life as much as possible. That is not the same thing as guaranteeing basic necessities (emergency care, food, housing, etc).
random63x 3 years ago
its the people's job to make sure the gov't serves them you asshat. WE haven't done it because we stopped caring and became apathetic and selfish . We don't deserve nationalized healthcare. We deserve a third world hell hole nation beacuse of this shit. I think we are third world. A really advanced third world, but we have not developed any of our social structures within this country. We neglect and destroy them. Then vote in more idiots to do the same.
lordblazer 3 years ago
Part of keeping the Gov in check IS lacking faith in their abilities. I think it's tough to argue that we are apathetic. Since 9/11 we've been a hyper-political country...clearly apathy isn't the problem. Don't confuse the lack of progress that results from opposing interest groups with the lack of progress from apathy.
random63x 3 years ago
we can't afford be sick anymore.
underthebox 3 years ago 3
Down with NWO, corruption and fraud, Up with unity, peace,, equality, health, environment and technology!!!
danoking69 3 years ago
Every single country with universal healthcare has a small military, a small government, they don't have bases world wide, they aren't fighting in war after war around the world and they live within their means. The sad truth is, America can't afford universal healthcare, and we won't anytime soon, unless of course we start cutting back. For instance, we spend 10x more on defense than the UK and about 40x more than Canada. If we don't start cutting back, you can kiss our empire goodbye.
argyle684 3 years ago
Afford it or not, the U.S. pays a lot more for healthcare than any other country. But we give the money to insurance & pharmaceutical profiteers. So, while we pay more than any other country for healthcare, we get less. Universal healthcare is much cheaper than the way we do it now.
medicinesocks 3 years ago
I don't understand this issue all that well.
How are these plans in relationship to Mediaid and Medicare?
Webins 3 years ago
i know! if we all became mexican citizens and then illegally snuck back into the usa we could get health care for free!
santasxgirlfriend 3 years ago
The health care that illegal immigrants tend to get for free is emergency services, which no hospital can legally deny to any person, citizen or otherwise, anywhere in this country for any reason.
anarchrisis 3 years ago
and it isn't realy health care. I'm someone who has gone through the ER with no insurance. It sucks. I got misdiagnoised also. Its all one big cluster fuck. Also only Public hospitals are forced. Private ones can kick your ass to the curve. And many do so.
lordblazer 3 years ago
In order for any body to live longer than the expectancy of any of the individual parts, all the parts must work together for the survival of the body as a whole.
Though health care is not a "right", it is a responsibility of leader to make sure the best is available to all. Business and Government fail when there are no workers or citizens healthy enough to produce the products or defend the country.
Daniel Kingery, President of the United States --Apprentice
Kingery4President 3 years ago
Haha, Burger. I'm Tommy Taco.
bleunt 3 years ago
People should be responsible for themselves, the last thing this horrible government needs is more of our money and more power
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
ShiekYerbooty, wake up, its the government that screwing this country over right now and messing up the economy, its the private industry with politicians in their back pocket that has our economy in ruins right now.
Less government and less regulations is the reason we had to spend $850 billion dollars to bailout wall street.
rydar1978 3 years ago
I meant to say its NOT he government that screwing this country over right now and messing up the economy, its the private industry with politicians in their back pocket that has our economy in ruins right now.
Less government and less regulations is the reason we had to spend $850 billion dollars to bailout wall street.
rydar1978 3 years ago
more like 5 trillion and dont forget the foreign banks
bertmarx 3 years ago
Thanks for the reply. The Government IS the politicians who " put themselves " in the pockets of banking and industry, they have a choice. The sad fact is that these politicians have not worked for us since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, even worse , the Emergency Banking Act of 1933 made the privately owned " Federal Reserve " the defacto shadow government. They work for the central bankers and have for quite some time. Remeber Walter Reed ? Bed sores, black mold, rat infestations, patients..
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
patients lying in their own feces and waste, that is what government run health care looks like. I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said " The government that is powerfull enough to give you everything, is also powerfull enough to take it away "
The government " helps " a lot, or they say they do, but it never really seems to Help, it only seems to make people more dependant on Government and less able to take care of themselves
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
RealNews also did a story on Canada health care. They(Canadian people) voted to keep it government ran.
Think about it
rydar1978 3 years ago
Thanks for the response, and the invite. You bring up a valid point, they voted on it because they think they are getting something... they are getting is fleeced. Canadians pay up to 50% of their income to their government through income taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes,etc,etc..... now ask them whether they'd rather have Government Health care or 30% of their wages back and I'll bet the vote would have been different.
Here's something ......they also voted to re-elect Harper, yikes
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
Your assessment of Canada's tax system is a little off.
I will send you a link comparing our 2 economies.
rydar1978 3 years ago
I thought I had replied to your response, but it showed up in the wrong spot, please check it out
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
This horrible government will finally be replaced in January. Just be patient. Our future looks bright...
NightriderXP1 3 years ago
The names will change but the globalist agenda will continue. Did you not find it odd that a " republican " president supported the bailout bill, but it was the republicans in congress that voted it down the first time and it was the " democrats " who supported it ? The left vs right is simply theater to keep us divided and conquered.
American1stN4most 3 years ago 4
No, I'm not surprised that the GOP voted against it the first time. They had meant to pass it by a slim margin, but then their "feelings" were hurt and they ended up defeating the bill, making them look foolish. The GOP screwed up and they knew it, so they made sure not to make the same mistake on the second pass of the bill...
The GOP is a divisive party. I believe that we build by addition, not division. The GOP seems to be against everyone and everything so Americans have had enough...
NightriderXP1 3 years ago
Replacing Bush will do nothing to slow the Government down, you do realize that Bush could not have done any of this without the Congress and Senate approving and funding it all, right ? After all, the democrats have had a majority in both houses for almost three years, and they still give King George everything he's asked for.
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
The Democrats have barely had control over Congress for less than 2 years. During that time, the GOP has used the Filibuster far more than it has ever been used to obstruct Congress's ability to do anything. The GOP controlled Congress for over 12 years and GW controlled it for 7+. This economic disaster was created by the GOP. Phil Graham and Enron lobbyists wrote the deregulation accord that was slipped into an emergency budget bill at the last minute in 2000. The GOP owns this disaster..
NightriderXP1 3 years ago 2
Thanks for the reply. You mean the bill that Bill Clinton signed and defends to this day ? FISA, Continued funding for both wars, Bailout. Which bills did the repubs fillibuster ? I don't remember them. And the bailout....The media created the Myth that it was voted down because opf Pelosi's speech, when interviewed most republicans and constitutional loving democrats like Kucinich and Kaptur said they voted against it because of the broad unaccountable powers it would give Paulson.....cont.
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
Look. I'm not trying to defend the republicans, they're all crooks, I'm just trying to help you see through the media spin, and realize they are all on the same team and it's not ours
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
Just because GW and the GOP have created such a huge mess in less than 8 years doesn't mean that all politicians from both parties are bad. There have been some politicians that have fought tooth and nail but were powerless to prevent the utter destruction of the country by the GOP...
Your view of the world is pretty dark. What do you think life would be like without laws and leaders? Look around you. Most of what you enjoy and take for granted was brought to you by Liberal politicians...
NightriderXP1 3 years ago
Thanks for the reply, I'm on my way to work, I'll get back with you this afternoon.
ShiekYerbooty 3 years ago
Clinton did sign the emergency appropriations bill because his hands were tied. If he had vetoed it, the government would have shut down and millions of people would have been without work and pay until another bill was passed. The accord that Graham slipped in was only a small part of the overall emergency bill and few people had even read it. It had nothing to do with appropriations and had no business being a part of it. Unfortunately, Clinton didn't have a line item veto to remove it...
NightriderXP1 3 years ago
If you want general healthcare, you have the goverment pay hospitals for that healthcare as well as take care of the money collecting. Hospitals can still be privatized, and non basic services can still be bought from hospitals.
Why do it that way? Because a regulated insurance company that can't "discriminate" is no more efficent than the goverment. It is the same bullshit as subprime loans. The american goverment trying to regulate the market in the wrong way instead of working with it.
wildclaw2 3 years ago
It is a person's responsibility to maintain good health. However,if the same individual is afflicted with cancer or some other disease,then I believe it is a person's right to receive medical care. Health care shouldn't bankrupt families.
What kind of society only cares for those who have wealth? It's especially hypocritical when this attitude comes mostly from the "Christian" right!
wervasdeferens 3 years ago 3
I was not as impressed with Obama's answer to this question. Neither candidate seemed to regard health care as a right or to have ever thought of it in those terms. Brokaw rephrased the question in a way that helped them to duck it.
gamoonbat 3 years ago
The cycle in health care as it exist today;
lowered medical standards creates lawsuits which creates high insurance premiums which has inflated the quality of medical service thereby raising it's prices which the insurance companies refuse to pay because it eats profits.
Answer: Take Health Insurance Companies out the stock market make them non-profit the way they were supposed to be. also Raise the standards on medical practitioners.
Pleblian 3 years ago 2
You are absolutely right; human health must not be a stock market commodity. Profiteers are gambling with human health...
abilityoflove 3 years ago
I don't want insurance! I want health care.
prisha91755 3 years ago
richest country in the world, lol. good joke.. ;) see here: watch?v=OS2fI2p9iVs
awaken69 3 years ago
Why doesn't the government make socialized health care instead of spending trillions of dollars to bailout banks and companies?
knighthawk2277 3 years ago
Responsibility, duh.
We don't need the government for this, alot of good they've done.
Social Security
Department of Education
Federal Reserve
Welfare (Bailout anyone?)
VOTE 3RD PARTY, tell a friend.
Take that one step and do it, tell your friends and family.
All my family is voting 3rd party.
chewbaca1989 3 years ago
Good. Vote for the Populist party.
Although, I think you're a bit misguided. Thank goodness for social programs. The more the better.
mistaspot1 3 years ago
health care is a scam. when you go to the doctor they try to treat you with tons of prescriptions. it's not surprising that this con man is pushing it. easy to focus on health care when the economy is in deep water. dumbed down americans like that. duh... pull the screw out of your head dummies.
x11115 3 years ago
health care is not a right! To do so you have to delegate plunder to the govt. and the govt has no right to steal.
ferrozm 3 years ago
is both
american 3 years ago
Billyboob18 , wow you're a self-conceded hypocrite.
Ever hear of a story about a 20 year old woman being told she isn't covered by her insurance cuz she's too young to have cancer. Consider yourself lucky you are in good health. Knock on wood buddy. Stop being an ignorant moron please...
TheAuspicious 3 years ago
TheAuspicious:
The one that floored me was the woman who had a yeast infection [it happens] *20 years before* and was refused treatment for breast cancer because she had a "pre-existing condition" and was turned down, not by a doctor--but a desk monkey.
That's just medically ludicrous.
TVParkdale 3 years ago
You are what you eat. Health care is a responsibility. If you care enough about what you eat, and take action to eat correctly, then you wont need health care. I eat oats everyday as well as staying away from fast food. Look at America. I see a bunch of fat asses who don't are about their health, therefore they are unhealthy. Should I pay money to people who don't give a damn about health? They demand I pay for their care. Am I missing something here? Get off your ass and take care of yourself.
billybbob18 3 years ago
billybbob18:
You eat oats and you think that's going to stop you from getting sick from anything, ever?
At what university dear sir, did you receive your medical license?
TVParkdale 3 years ago
I do my own research about how to cure ailments.
I don't need a piece of paper telling me that I'm qualified as an authority on the issue. And yes, since switching to a natural, healthy diet, I can hang around as many sick people I want and not catch it. And if I happen to catch something, the I'll treat myself. I don't expect others to fork over wealth on my behalf for treatments that treat the symptom and not the cause.
billybbob18 3 years ago
a little bit of cayenne pepper actually cures alot of things as does garlic. most americans are all drugged out so they don't care if their getting it from the big pharma or off the street. dope = american.
x11115 3 years ago
Get a bunch of spices in bulk and you can treat a whole bunch of stuff yourself cheaper than over-the-counter drugs. Things like headache, heartburn, nausea, travel sickness, bad breath etc you could simply take some spices for. Just look them up.
Reproductivist 3 years ago 2
billybbob18:
Exactly.
*You* are more medically advanced than people who spend upwards of 7 years in medical universities and devote their lives to improving health and curing disease. All because you read a few best selling books shilling some idiot notion or other with little/no research to back up the claims.
Fine. You believe that. It's your body.
However, when it comes to people *I* care about--you're not qualified to express a professional opinion.
Period.
TVParkdale 3 years ago
TVParkdale,
Good, then can you explain why there are more doctors in this country as well as more sickness. Why is the general health of this country hitting rock bottom? "Doctors" do not help based on previous experience. You can choose what to do with your body, but don't take the fruit of my labor to pay for your doctor visits.
billybbob18 3 years ago
billybbob18:
"More doctors"--can you find that statistic for me? Do you mean per capita? Coming out of university? Not retiring and adding to the workforce? Since what date?
On WHAT statistics or research are you basing that blanket statement?
The "general health" of America is *down* on all international scales due to the amount of Americans that *do not* get receive proper healthcare due to your crappy HMO insurance.
TVParkdale 3 years ago
billybbob18:
Right. "Fruits of your labours" well billybbob--if you have a work related accident you are going to be completely screwed and may go bankrupt like 50% of the people that happens to.
I'm perfectly happy to pay my tax dollars so you can let your health fall completely apart before you realize that oats don't cure illnesses.
If you care that much about everyone else's diet--work to outlaw fast food.
TVParkdale 3 years ago
I try to spread awareness about the toxins that people keep filling their bodies with willingly and unknowingly. Aspartame, MSG, fluoride, mercury, HFCS, GMO's, nearly all medications, "enriched" white flour, pesticides, ec. The doctors will rarely inform you about the real cause of ailment which put you in the hospital in the first place. They're only interested in treatment, not cures. You can make fun of my healthy diet all you want,I KNOW that foods cure better than pills.Industry=Corruption
billybbob18 3 years ago
billybbob18:
By your own words, you were poisoned and went to the hospital.
You're slagging the medical profession, however--they obviously know more than you do.
Do you have ANY idea what the average lifespan was before antibiotics and vaccinations? Try less than 50 years and half of all children died before age 5.
When you can PROVE through *scientific* research that much improvement, I'll start listening.
Until then, you are talking scientific rubbish.
TVParkdale 3 years ago