Landmark, please be honest with your students and yourselves. Honest about the people who have been harmed by the organisation. Honest about the unethical treatment of people who have attended. Be honest about why people are pushed and pushed to recruit more people - not for personal transformation, but to improve the company profits (people are told that by recruiting others it will help us transform).
LE uses a highly dangerous psychology approach, which should be done only by qualified registered psychiatrist. LE is taking advantage of the ignorance of public, and law enforcements about the dangerous psychological breakdown it causes to its participants, and going on doing damages.
I was engaged in it, became a coach, and opted to discontinue, as realized, it is not delivering what it promised to deliver and rather were exploiting participants, for profit.
I was a part of LE as well. I went as far as the Advanced Forum, and was done. I told my mother, who brought me to it, that I felt as though I was brain washed. She looked at me and said it was a good brain washing. I was shocked! Well since then LE has taken over my mother's life, she's abandoned my brother who is only 14, and left him with my father in another town to work for LE. I am completely against them, and trry to discourage anyone from attending.
You have spend over $1000 on LE; You know what you got out of it: LE is bad!
I invite you to consider taking on that you are committed to the possibility of "Making nobody in this world going to sign up for Landmark."
What have you done lately other than just a few comments on youtube?
I request you to make a video or start a blog to form a community for all people who share the same view and passion as you do. Make a difference to people's lives.
You weren't stupid. No one is immune to brainwashing. I'm just glad you caught on to it and extracted yourself from it. I was given the pitch, signed up but never went to the Forum itself. I was lucky to have had a family member who was once in a religious cult and was successfully deprogrammed. I recognized the tactics and withdrew. Find comfort that you're not involved any longer.
lanmark exists to suck every last penny it can from it's victims, and destroy them in the process.
I know of one person who has been permanently damaged by it. He is friendless and grates people, walking around telling them things like "Landmark teaches us we are responsible for our own experiences." And that a friend was 'responsible' for her brother's suicide and another was 'responsible' for his father's death from cancer.
It's the worst kind of psychobable and insult therapy.
i care... i completed the landmark forum yesterday in an elated manner even having signed up for the next course. fortunatly i attained some pespective which snapped me out of the euphoria within 3 hours. this is a deceiving organisation which preys on our desire to be better people. I never in my wildest dreams realised when i signed up for 'education' that i would be brainwashed ...and then your hooked - yes there were some positive impacts but at some decidedly dangerous and suspect cost.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I had alarm bells in my head when I first heard about the forum. You have confirmed my suspicions. Thank you. Take care.
My best friend is a devoted landmark participant and this worries me because I am a born again christian and the fact that they teach that we are empty and meaningless without them...well...just worries me. Jesus is the only one who can fulfill our lives and make them whole. I worry that she has been brainwashed ..... what can I do?
oh michelle dear,you need not worryith over her,because it is You who are Brainwashed.The forum -debrainwashes Us.Jesus loves her Equally to you.get rid of that Ego hey?
My ex - a damaged individual with anger and neurotic problems - is a LF follower. After two seminars she became much more aggressive and angry at my Christian faith. I expected her problems to lessen but that didn't happen.
Some of their staff may work just like any self-improvement activity works. But the deception that lies around the money and the brainwashing system within Landmark speaks more about the sick needs of modern man/woman than it does for this cult itself.
A friend of mine is paying four or five thousand EUROS every year to those people. I have been to the intro as well and it is simply using the weak parts of the people and finally the participants become depending on that 'thing' for their mental stability...
Landmark Forum is an aggressive money grubbing scam. The people at the meetings are so superficially happy. When they leave the safety of their center, they transform back to their miserable selves.
i believe landmark forum is sagnsdhsdvjks horrible.. i did it.. 3 days w.e and my introduction day after everyone was done talking and time was up everyone left i waited outside and heard them screaming about some crap...
I had a job like that one restroom break every two hours
[5 min] you ran -it was a large building restroom was to far away to walk at leasure.
No speaking to one another on anything to do with God, informants sat amongst us/ reported anything that sounds spiritual... note 2 Satanist; weres free to speak of Satan all they wanted: no problem to the Co.
My sister talked me into the Forum. I walked away a skeptic. My Sis'll probably raise her kids on the Forum and believ every breakthrough in her life is due to the Forum. She admitted that there's weirdness in the Forum, but that she's savvy enough to draw on the positive teachings and ignore the crap. Well, it's her life. I think the Forum is a dangerous for profit outfit. Before there ever was a Forum, many people still found success and happiness. It's not for me
Thank you so much for your posting !!! I was wondering what was happening to my friend and why she couldn't think for herself and kept fooling herself into these " breakthroughs" with no actual changes in her life
Here's what you all need to know: I was posting on someone's promotional clip and after a couple of back and forths, she blocked me. Other promo videos only allow you to post comments pending approval. There's no room for debate. There's no room for critical questioning. Notice how there are hardly ever any non-stellar reviews? Notice how all the stellar reviews are almost identical, practically scripted? Wake up people. LM is not the answer. It actually becomes part of the problem.
This woman is brave, and she knows what she's talking about. So many people have been messed up by this company's so called education. What they do is using an effective mind control technique to break people down, without taking any responsibility for the consequences. In result, those who fail to become devotees/salesmen for the Forum often end up depressed and/or experience psychotic episodes. Many of them take their own lives. While Landmark "Education" makes some more money.
A few years ago my friend invited me to go to some sort of friends and family night at LM. I saw through the BS immediately and decided to "F" around with them. When they split us up into little groups I kept asking questions they didn't like. Also, I kept texting with my husband the whole time. I got up and walked out in the middle of one presentation. I'm sure they have me on some blacklist somewhere. My poor friend, however, still hasn't really gotten her life together after all that. LM=BS.
Mmmm....amazing. Reminds me of a friend of mine who is now a zombie because she was brainwashed by the HERBALIFE cult. She lost everything- money, friends, LIFE, and still thinks she's saving the world from all illnesses with those shitty overpriced vitamins. All non- Herbalifers are unenlightened and to be won over or avoided (including family) to her.
Not only mind control but CROWD CONTROL. They want to stop you from using critical judgment and they say that your very criticism of the program is the behavior that needs to be fixed. Right wingers and fascists!
They are sales people that like us are having trouble living on "unliveable wages" in the US.
The United States is brainwashed not only by Landmark Education type groups but most media as well.
My whole dad's family is in this cult, thank you for exposing the treacheries of this (and without exaggeration) CULT. I am only thirteen and they tried to make me join many times...but i refues because i saw videos like this, so thank you.
KVblowYouDown Sorry your family is caught up in Landmark...they want to start taking kids as young as 8 yrs old...they target schools, from private grade schools to colleges.
sablechicken, the Chinese government just invited Landmark Education to do a pilot program for grade schools students. I don't have the details of this but Landmark is becoming more and more widely recognised for having a valuable, valid and useful product and to be a trustworthy company that stands behind what it promises. That has been my experience of purchasing it's courses as well. AND like anything in life...it is not for everyone.
I was almost alluded into this cult enterprise and I must herald your bravery in posting this video, otherwise I could've ended up in places I can't begin to fathom. From the bottom of my heart, thank-you and no matter who scutinises you just remember that this video is for a just cause fighting a threat against societal and individual values, attitudes and beliefs. There is no way I can think of repaying you except saying thank-you and keep fighting.
Landmark is a cult. Order and read the book Outrageous Betrayal to understand it fully. It is dangerous, and is supposed to "help" in some ways, or else no one would go back or recommend it. But it is shady and disgusting. I pray for the families of those involved. BE CAREFUL and STAY AWAY!!!!!!!!
I bailed out on the third day of their Forum. It was an insult to my Christian faith and person. It took me weeks to shake off their pseud-scientology aggression. I commend your strength Sable.... you are a survivor.
I never heard of Land Mark before, but I am so sorry you had to go through what you did. I know what brain washing is like.. the Mormon church tried to get to me, and they almost succeeded.
my dad joined this cult a few years ago, and ruined my life with his unrelenting pressure. i worked for him at the family business for 6 years. after attending the intro session, which i thought was condescending and horrible, i did tons of research. after years of dedication, i lost my job and transportation, because of my refusal to join. fuck landmark
My Dad Joined this cult about a year ago because of some woman he was dating and her daughter. Now his favorite thing to do is use the word INTEGRITY as a cruch to lean on for the things that he think will benefit him in life, not everything in life just things that better himself. He has tried making me and my brother go on numerous occasions by trying to use guilt and reverse phycology. Anyways Pardon My French But FUCK LAND MARK
I'd like to say for your forum leader, i'm sorry you were screamed with a "shut up". I honestly am. I don't know if anyone every told you that. I do wonder why you posted this though. You said it was to "share a tidbit of your life" to anyone that cared. It seems like that is related. That no one every took but the "shut up" so you are still trying to find out if anyone cares what happened to you. we all do.
i hope you find happiness in whatever to do in life sable.
rideofthepalehorse Thanks for the nice comment. About 90% of the comment I receive on this video are from REALLY hateful LM devotees, that I never approve.
I got post-tramdic stress out LM. I have not told my whole story about what happened, because I am still sorting it out.
I took the course, (and the advanced, before I dropped out) it definitely has some shadier aspects, but it also has some valid educational points. Maintaining your identity throughout the process is paramount. There was some scarier aspects though. Landmark for better or worse changed my life, but I dont think you should be traumatized. Haha, yeah, integrity does get drilled in. They do teach some good stuff, and its not all a cult, but there is some wierdness, and some financial schemery.
hey sable i think you have a lot of courage dealing with these assholes trying to take peoples money. try to find truth in god....he doesnt charge a dime. :) remember he loves us all and we are all in his mercy.
I just got invited by a friend of mine to a Landmark Education introductory course, and when they said "Bring your cheque book" the little alarm bells started ringing in my head right then. I might just pop in and see, but with no cheque book, and armed with research!
Fuzing I have some links in the discription box, just try and get her to take a look at what other people are saying about Landmark. I know if I would have thought to check them out before I would have never signed up.
Thank you for sharing. You are not stupid, you are brave and smart. Good luck with your recovery and continue to speak out and educate us about totalist groups/cults such as Landmark.
You are not stupid. You are smart and brave. Good luck with your recovery, and for educating all of us. You did suffer abuse and trauma. Landmark and other totalist groups are NEVER going to be off the cult list. Using these techniques is NEVER ethical or safe, no matter who conducts it.
Landmark is on a list of cults and mind control entities. This training technique is abusive in so many ways, no matter who conducts it. Many of us make the mistake of signing a contract and then hand over our hard-earned money, and totalist groups like this know how to hoodwink the best of us. You are not stupid. You are smart and brave. I wish you luck with your recovery and keep speaking out.
Thank you for your comments. Your alarms going off in your head are being heard loud and clear here with this sister ("Ding, ding ding!) The combination of a hotel room, chairs, bad lighting, a binding contract (signed with pencil, pen, magic marker, crayon, blood), hard-earned money exchanging hands, promises for a cure, can be very enticing. I found out the hard way, with a different totalist/cult "life changing" opportunity. Keep talking about it. I think you are pretty smart.
This "education" has many cult-like attributes, use of jargon, group pressure, intimidation, high pressure sales, blaming critics for the failure of the program, excessive rules and humiliation= brain washing.
Oh my. I hear the pain in her voice and it's terrible that corporate cults are allowed to operate business anywhere especially in the United States. She is obviously traumatized by this. People should not subject themselves to mind control. These people make you feel like you're deficient until you take all their courses.
great video, well done, experience well described and lets hope it saves at least one person from being turned into a 'transformation' droid. This crap is so popular but is so much like cocaine in the 70's and crack or meth now, its deadly, costly and guaranteed to strip its partakers of all dignity..even though they may never realize it has happened.
Thank you Geekode, I think it has already helped a lot of people. YouTube give a voice to the little person like me that has no other way to fight a big EVIL company like Landmark Education.
She was convinced that she wouldn't be good enough until she did the next course.... always 'the next course' and of course she was always trying to sell the forum like some amway fuckhead. Anyway.. landmarks doesn't belong in the clinical setting, that's obvious...what an interesting day it's been.
Afterwards the student asked me if I wanted to come on Tuesday night for one of these sessions! I politely replied, 'tonight I will be doing a lot of reading and talking with others on this landmarks thing'.
It wasn't until I looked it up that I found out it was "THE FORUM" something that seriously fucked up a friend of mine.
By now I'm quietly fuming. I redirect the conversation back to my agenda and that is trying to work out some decent supports for the clients imminent discharge. He kept on bringing it up though. I managed to keep her attention thank fuck and get some kind of useful dialogue happening.
You don't have to get up and tell everyone your problems, others might get up who you will in some way identify with" (or words to that effect) "it costs $500!"
The client was a young vulnerable woman, a single parent trying to get of the grog. I recommended a number of clinically proven forms of psychotherapy that would suit her and her spiritual perspective. Well I tell you she was the perfect victim. This student then says, "I maybe shouldn't say this " (and I'm thinking 'famous last words!') "but, there's these classes that I take called Landmarks, they help improve you.
I work in an alcohol and drug detox centre working with some of the most vulnerable folk in society. Today this student sat in on a case management/ brief therapy session. He is a very confident social work student. It's very hard to make the right kind of connection with a 3rd person there, but a connection was made.
I met someone who invited us to a sort of celebration meeting for her. I told her on the telephone that I saw through the whole thing, that we did not need this. If something is too good to be true, it mostly is. It was a special meeting for people who'd make more from life. But we had love, a roof over our head, enough money to live, so why go? Her response that we had to live up to our fullest potential raised goosebumps in my neck. I decide what that is, and not someone who barely knows me.
I hope this cult becomes subjected to more exposure such as this video, nothing else will give people pause before foolishly rushing off with their brainwashed friends and family (people they trust, used to 'hook' them)to a forum.
I went to a Landmark Introduction last night. I felt this brainwashing in the intro night! I left the "seminar" with the person that invited me and i was scared to death! strangest part was that only two guests left without signing up AND THAT WAS ME AND ONE OTHER. We were the only two that left during the sign up time. these people are powerful and convincing they are also evil. Thank you for posting this vlog people MUST know about this CULT Landmark. Tell your friends I sure am.
Thanks sablechicken for posting this vlog. I'm intrigued with topics like this, I've been researching $cientology, and I'm a big critic of that cult. From what you've said, and i believe you, LM souds like a cult. Interesting tidbit a man by the name of Darren Mack murdered his ex wife, and shot a judge. He sniped the judge from a rooftop in downtown Reno NV. This happened in '06 the story made national headlines. Both Darren Mack and his ex wife had worked for LM at one time.
Vominator, the LE Leader didn't touch me, but he was so up in my face. Only a inch from my nose, I have never had anyone so up in my face like that in my whole life. $395. to be abused.
I experienced THEM in Australia....it is a brainwashing cult I did all the courses they offered only to end up physically, mentally and nervously breaking down it runined my life for a while.....
You should also look into the business structure behind the organization, and the history of the organization itself. CEO is Harry Rosenberg, Werner Erhard's brother, and his sister Joan Rosenberg sits on the Board of Directors, Erhard's attorney Art Schreiber is General Counsel and Chairman of the Board. For more info on this and more background, I highly recommend the book OUTRAGEOUS BETRAYAL, by Steven Pressman.
This Bitch is confused! I took Landmark and I didn't end up fucked in the head! I just learned to be "Fully self Expressed" and become a heartless, productive Robot! Oh.......... I guess I am fucked in the head :(
Has anyone ever noticed that the circles that they draw on the chalkboard strangely resemble Scientology's symbol in the desert to attract the reincarnated alien Scientologists? Please don't give these people any more money. Shame on Landmark Education and the Forum!
Why are only 400 employees paid and the other 8,000 volunteers? Could it be brainwashing? Why don't they have manuals, real brochures or marketing material? How about because it's not a real product. Why couldn't they just tell me to read Dianetics, Psycho-Cybernetics or The Secret? It's the same BS.
Thank you for sharing this. I have never experience this kind of emotional rollercoaster before in a seminar. I was floored when I finally realized on Sunday at 4:15pm that it was all "smoke and mirrors". Thank you to Rick Ross for giving me the background on this scam. I want my weekend back!
I'm sorry to hear that Bonedaddy21. I think what struck me real hard about Landmark Education and left the strongest impression on me was how much they really don't care about people, to the point it becoming evil.
It's not evil, I took Landmark And now I'm a super productive robot, and robots don't know evil unless they're PROGRAMMED.................................
I know people who have taken Landmark. Not all of them have pressured me to take the course, but most of them have. When I ask them for specifics, they just tell me that it contains tool for building relationships. When I ask them to give me a tool, they dance around the issue and simply tell me I need to take the Landmark course. I've been to the website and, so far, I haven't seen any actual principles or tools on dispay, just sales language about taking their course.
Two long time friends of mine got sucked into this bullsh!t cult.
Needless to say, I have very little to no contact with them anymore, and NOT because I don't want to. When you use the "C" word and tell them that NO, you do not want to attend the Landmark Forum event, they suddenly decide they don't want to be your friend anymore.
Landmark Education is VERY similar to Scientology.
I had fraternity "brothers" in college trying to talk me into attending a Landmark forum. After doing some research, I discovered how much of a cult it was, and talked a few friends out of doing it as well.
this is weird because i went to this a few weeks ago and i dunno. some of what youre saying i believe. i didnt feel like i had to drag my parents into it, and i walked on the evening session since i didnt like being pressured to take the next course. i definitley have used some of the things they taught me, but i do agree that the pressure to continue and the money involved is sick.
I lost my wife, my marriage, my unborn child and my two daughters to this desperate, depraved CULT. I nearly lost my wife as the CULT used her to try to get me to commit suicide. They...everyone was sure I was going to kill myself. I was vilified the second I quit this purely evil CULT and it got much worse from there.
Landmark Education has been investigated by the Federal Department of Labor in the United States. They have been investigated by the Federal Department of Labor in France. They have been investigated and classified in lists of "cults" or "sects" by the Federal Governments of Austria, France, and Germany. There is LOADS more information in written format, as well as audio, video, etc. on the internet. Just look. And right here on Youtube, search for "eff landmark forum".
They are very sneaky in their approach.When someone tried to talk me into going it was a friend of a friend, who just happened to pop by!The fact that it starts off at a low price and the further u go with the course(The more they suck u in)the more expensive it becomes. I remember the figure she said she had to pay was just ridiculous.She was oblivious to how pathetic and desperate she sounded for me to go.Thats a sure sign of brainwashing, trying to talk your friends out of money.
Hi Sable, I was recruited into LM in 2005 and got out just few months ago. I'm with you. I'm trying to get my friend out too, maybe i'll show him this video. All the best.
Also, in that report, a psychologist who specializes in brainwash and cults pointed out the similarities in the Landmark system, and cults and brainwashing. It is available by torrent, on btjunkie..com Search "landmark"
Jybedard, thanks for the information. At one point I had alot of links about LM, but my computer crashed and I lost all that research. I need to look all that stuff up again and put it in the side bar to help others. . I have heard about LM sueing magazines for writing articals exposing them. Thank God for YouTube because before this there was no real way for me to speak out about them.
I have put a deposit on the first course called "forum" and am seriously thinking of letting them keep the 100$ and not showing up. It's weird. They charge 500-1000$ per course, but it's almost all volunteer operated, and it was these same volunteers that used pressure sales tactics to get me to sign up. A volunteer using pressure sales...hmm..brainwash??
Not many people get a refund. I hope you can get your $100 back, but if you can't don't give them any more. You are so right about the volunteers. What ever personal thing you think you would be working on, will be replaced by a new goal of working on helping LM get more people signed up. PS they are going to call you all the time, DON'T GIVE IN.
After posting my comment, I downloaded a special that was aired in France in 2004 (I think) where a reporter infiltrated Landmark from Forum all the way up to being asked to be trained as recruiter... 6 MONTHS of training on how to effectively recruit people. When you consider what they accomplish in a weeknd...imagine 6 months.
Watching this i realise that I made the right decision not to attend a landmark group which a so-called friend of a friend was trying to sign me up to... I am so glad that even in my vulnerable state at the time, the alarm bells rang and I was spared an experience like yours...Good on u for speaking out.. Its a dangerous place!
The sad thing is when you're in it, they try to pound in your head to stop listening to the "alarm bells" and make you question what you naturally believe to be right or wrong. I'm glad you didn't go.
I'm not doing any Landmark now, and I did for five years and loved it. That said, I can see where you're coming from, SC.
I think that helping the company change is where I most want to help. Like a person with a bad temper, Landmark is mostly made of good people, and sometimes, they say things that they shouldn't.
The thing they lack the most is Compassion during transitions. Sorry that you had a bad time, and thanks for posting this video. :-)
Thank you so much for posting this video. As you can see over 2000+ people found it worth watching.
I have a lifelong friend who has just recently joined the CULT. She has shut me out of her life and become hateful. I have no idea how to get through to her & pull her out of this crap. Perhaps I will forward your video to her.- Thanks again!
Roxy, I'm sorry that your friend is into it so deep.
Thank you for the encouragement on this video, Rickross dot com has more information on LM as well. It is amazing how many of the stories parallel one another. I wish you the best of luck with your friend.
It's nice that you thought that you got something out of Landmark, but could you just been brainwashed to believe that you really got what you think you got out of it, see the distinction?
Others I talked to at the time of my exit said they just signed up again not out of what they got out of it, but what they "thought" others got out of it.
Ok. You get to be right. Now what? Consider that you're holding onto your position and being right about it is killing off possibility. What would become possible for you if you got authentically interested in what Landmark can make possible for you? To answer that question requires giving up being right about your point of view that Landmark brainwashed you (and others).
The way Landmark uses the word "Possibility" is like some kind of Landmark language. Becareful changing the meanings of words is a hallmark of cults. Go look up RickRoss (dot) com And ask yourself why it is important for you to put the hard sell on me NOW. (because that is their goals more than yours) I truely wish you the best.
If creating new meanings of words makes something a cult, I guess medical school, auto mechanics, politics, law school, mathematics, science, and virtually any specialized field are cults. So be it. If that's what a cult is, then I don't see cults as bad.
Arron, Come on, there is more to it then just language. If you went for an education work shop for medical school, auto mechanics, politics, law school, mathematics, science..etc...you would take NOTES! Landmark will not let you take notes. You have to ask yourself, what kind of education is this?
I can see that you're not open to being contributed to, so I'll say good bye at this point because I can only make a difference with someone who is open to contribution.
My parting advice to you is to call the Landmark Education office where you took the Landmark Forum and talk to a staff member to resolve your complaints. I promise that person's context will be making a contribution to you but you'll have to actually listen for that to hear it.
I want nothing to do with Landmark, I am one of the few that got my money back, but that didn't even begin to cover the cost (not mentioned in this video) To fight them would be like fighting big tobacco. So my advice to all is to never even go to the introductory meeting...if forced to, leave your Visa and check book at home. Good luck to you Arron.
I completed the LF, and one thing I got out of it was how to stand up for myself and say no. I told them not to call again, and they didn't. That's all it takes--you are a lot more powerful than you think. Your friends and family love you and shared this with you. Think about it.
I invite you to re-look at your experience of the Landmark Forum from the distinction of separating out What Happened from your Story or Interpretation about What Happened. You're video has NO DISTINCTION between the two. If you practiced that one distinction you'd have a lot more freedom in your life. What do you get out of having your Story Collapsed with What Happened?
I'm sorry your comment doesn't make sence to me. I know what happened, and even if it was unpleasant and I would like to expose LM for the cult it is. All things work out for the good in God's plan. What happened IS part of my story.
you make a complete fool of yourself reciting this fool-making jibberish. Take a good look at what you've just said, you've just said NOTHING at all. You've attempted to get SC to doubt the reality of what she experienced. Well, newsflash...she's obviously NOT silly enough to doubt just because you're trying to program a bullshit reason into her to cause her to doubt. Get a grip, you are communicating outside the fold here.
This type of speak is what landmark teaches you. If you need an example of someone grappling with their identity and someone that desperately needs something to believe in...atardos is the one. A blathering zombie...who accepts common sense packaged by esoteric coating.
sad thing is, this atardos character likely had a perfectly acceptable and adequate identity before a cult got its hooks in to him/her and redefined their identity until the original was erased. That is so sad and so evil an act to commit against someone.
What you said didn't make sense to SC. "I invite you" and "the distinction of separating out" and "What Happened from your Story..." are mumbo jumbo.
What's So is that Landmark created that experience for her. And the company isn't accountable for that, owning that, and apologizing for the experience she had.
That's a huge problem in their company policy and procedures! Where's their responsibility in that?!!
Landmark is a scam. they stole most of thier ideas from scientology. changed a few words around. but its all the same. "get clear", "share yourself". I took the "cirriculum for living" and a few other course and when I wanted to quit, they hounded me and hounded me. "don't you see an opportunity to live your life more fully?- but your whole and complete already" what a joke.
Ouch chick...thats hardcore. I did the course about a year or so back but never had that shit goin on. I found it pretty cheesy but never evil. What a horrid experience. Hmmm...very dark and morbid footage you made though. And you ended with sharing your story...'with whoever cares?" Sure ur not looking at the world through a pair of really dark sunglasses? No wot i mean??
To talk about it does take me to a very dark place, I have not even revealed the worst of it. Landmark is not nice to people that throw a wrench in their little money making plan...They do have a plan B just for anyone that butt heads with them.
they had my sister, who they turnend into a zombie, just ignorded her kids in a target store, so just get them on the phone and go OFFFF on them they ask me are u in fear for her life, I saiad FUCK yeh, thios guy wanted to come over to gE OWNER SAYS HES NOT IN CONTROL HE IS WERNER...............cya and i really hope your kids are patty hearst kids
SC, You seem to be speaking the truth, by my estimation. I was taken by a friend to a short meeting tonight. Various people who'd taken the advanced course spoke about the part of themselves of which they'd disposed and the new person they'd become. I actually credit most of the people I saw with trying to work on themselves. After the 35 minutes or so, we visitors were led out. I bolted after saying a civil bye to the instructor. It smacked of cultism. I was so glad to get out of that building!
I did the Forum weekend about 12 years ago, followed by a 10 week workshop. The weekend is intense but the tactics are designed to get your attention. What I got from it was that nobody was ever going to care as much about my life as I did. The 10 week course was more about how Landmark makes its money, as you say. I'd say it's primarily a business built around personal growth. It's not for everyone. The world is full of things that aren't for everyone. You mustn't take it personally.
I do take it personally, brain washing people is a serious, and evil violation on a person's mind. If only a small percentage of people have a strong negative reaction to it like myself...LM should be held responsible, what they are doing should be considered a crime.
She's not taking it "personally." It's a cult, a manipulative money-making racket designed to make you dependent on LM. And SC is telling iot like it is. People need to hear her voice, and the voices of others like her. Thank you, SC. I have a friend who is disappearing down the tubes...and almost nothing is left but a slogan-slinging Pod Person who--when he feels doubts about LM--then hates himself and blames himself for his deficiencies. So sad!
PS. how do you know that the Hotel disallows LM from holding Forums/Seminars there, u think the hotel is on your side? In business like that, money talks.. They need somewhere to host it. Thats probably where some of your money goes.
If you are in the 6% of people who don't like or dont accept the change that you want for your life, then thats ok, leave it, it didnt work for you, but please refrain from putting others off from creating an amazing possibility for themselves.
djade76,I went to the Hotel afterwards to complain, but before I could even say much they had gotten wind of LM's reputation, and told me that they were no longer a welcome guest. Look around the internet, start with "Rickross".....com.
If I can help just one person it's worth it for me...they burned me bad.
LOL!! Funny stuff. I have done and completed the Landmark forum, Family and friends have done it, and none have had any experiences like you have mentioned,you shouldnt lie about what goes on in the landmark forum.There are a lot of sceptics that will not open themselves to change, and therefore junk the forum before even completing it, go and think for yourself. You say Stupid american? Yes, you can't think for yourself, let your government continue to brainwash you.
djade76, How long have you and your family been in Landmark Education? How much money have you given them? Why do you say that I lied? I was in there, I know what happened. That hotel no longer welcomes LE either. Look over your notes, tell me what you learned...I bet you didn't take notes, because it is not allowed.
Thats right, you dont need notes to change your life, Landmark helps you see what parts you can change if you wish, Its not about money, its about the transformation of your own life, which can be priceless, I did the forum in March 2005, My sister and her Fiance did it in late 2005, father 2004, his partner before that. We have given the fee to do it, and nothing more, You make it sound a lot more sinister than it is. Remember, I was there too..
"creating an amazing possibility" Well isn't that vague! It's like snake oil, it can fix anything. That is as long as you pay them and get all your friends and family to sign up for another $400 or $600 a weekend to sit around for 3 days from 7am to midnight and have someone yelling at you "YOU'RE A JERK!" It didn't work for me.
well my interpretation of it was very clear...they use brain washing technics to make you think that you are getting something for the big loot that took you for.
Having taken the forum, it is hard for me to understand your viewpoint. Did you actually complete the course? I admit, it is not easy and is often compared to an emotional/mental rollercoaster, but what do you expect from a course that brings you through more maturation in a few days than most people experience in a lifetime. Its intense, but awsome! I'm sorry you had a rough time sable.
Yet what I got was that it was possible to step out of my usual patterns and create new possibilities for ME! No longer was my life just about a choice between "a rock" and a "hard place", which was where I existed for 32 yrs.
The "devotees" are only sharing their experiences as you are doing.
i have a friend who keeps inviting me to these "Introduction meetings" at his house. and i finally said i would go. and now im watching all this stuff online and im so scared. he's been acting weird since he did this landmark education thing. i said to him just now, before i got off the phone, that it sounded like a cult or a pyramid scheme. and he said he Promises its not a cult. or a pyramid scheme. should i run screaming? i feel bad, i already made a commitment to go.
Landmark, please be honest with your students and yourselves. Honest about the people who have been harmed by the organisation. Honest about the unethical treatment of people who have attended. Be honest about why people are pushed and pushed to recruit more people - not for personal transformation, but to improve the company profits (people are told that by recruiting others it will help us transform).
bastion0700 1 year ago
LE uses a highly dangerous psychology approach, which should be done only by qualified registered psychiatrist. LE is taking advantage of the ignorance of public, and law enforcements about the dangerous psychological breakdown it causes to its participants, and going on doing damages.
I was engaged in it, became a coach, and opted to discontinue, as realized, it is not delivering what it promised to deliver and rather were exploiting participants, for profit.
SmrutiR 2 years ago
I was a part of LE as well. I went as far as the Advanced Forum, and was done. I told my mother, who brought me to it, that I felt as though I was brain washed. She looked at me and said it was a good brain washing. I was shocked! Well since then LE has taken over my mother's life, she's abandoned my brother who is only 14, and left him with my father in another town to work for LE. I am completely against them, and trry to discourage anyone from attending.
blueyedlullaby 2 years ago
You have spend over $1000 on LE; You know what you got out of it: LE is bad!
I invite you to consider taking on that you are committed to the possibility of "Making nobody in this world going to sign up for Landmark."
What have you done lately other than just a few comments on youtube?
I request you to make a video or start a blog to form a community for all people who share the same view and passion as you do. Make a difference to people's lives.
PukuRock 1 year ago
Thank you for being brave enough to post this. Take care.
ResearchingTruth 2 years ago
You weren't stupid. No one is immune to brainwashing. I'm just glad you caught on to it and extracted yourself from it. I was given the pitch, signed up but never went to the Forum itself. I was lucky to have had a family member who was once in a religious cult and was successfully deprogrammed. I recognized the tactics and withdrew. Find comfort that you're not involved any longer.
willslabach 2 years ago
lanmark exists to suck every last penny it can from it's victims, and destroy them in the process.
I know of one person who has been permanently damaged by it. He is friendless and grates people, walking around telling them things like "Landmark teaches us we are responsible for our own experiences." And that a friend was 'responsible' for her brother's suicide and another was 'responsible' for his father's death from cancer.
It's the worst kind of psychobable and insult therapy.
MentalBadger 2 years ago
i care... i completed the landmark forum yesterday in an elated manner even having signed up for the next course. fortunatly i attained some pespective which snapped me out of the euphoria within 3 hours. this is a deceiving organisation which preys on our desire to be better people. I never in my wildest dreams realised when i signed up for 'education' that i would be brainwashed ...and then your hooked - yes there were some positive impacts but at some decidedly dangerous and suspect cost.
nickfossy 2 years ago
I had an (entertainment related) agent who was practically stalking me to join.
He wouldn't tell me what it was about, be just kept trying to recruit me. The reasons he claimed I should attend made ZERO sense.
It was NOTHING but pure sales pressure.
I am SO GLAD I disassociated myself from him.
Lengsel7 2 years ago
Thank you for sharing your experience. I had alarm bells in my head when I first heard about the forum. You have confirmed my suspicions. Thank you. Take care.
alad61 2 years ago
I like how you describe some of the exercises and the treatment whereas no other videos about LM do that. Please reveal more!!!
Anonymous9104 2 years ago
My best friend is a devoted landmark participant and this worries me because I am a born again christian and the fact that they teach that we are empty and meaningless without them...well...just worries me. Jesus is the only one who can fulfill our lives and make them whole. I worry that she has been brainwashed ..... what can I do?
michellebowlden 2 years ago
oh michelle dear,you need not worryith over her,because it is You who are Brainwashed.The forum -debrainwashes Us.Jesus loves her Equally to you.get rid of that Ego hey?
usvioletswan 2 years ago
right on, its sad how all the devotees commenting on anti Landmark vids get so offended when you speak the truth.
vagisil4eva 2 years ago
This is so true! Thanks for telling the truth. These guys use mickey mouse cult techniques to grab otherwise smart and capable people into zombies.
mmac2021 3 years ago
My ex - a damaged individual with anger and neurotic problems - is a LF follower. After two seminars she became much more aggressive and angry at my Christian faith. I expected her problems to lessen but that didn't happen.
Some of their staff may work just like any self-improvement activity works. But the deception that lies around the money and the brainwashing system within Landmark speaks more about the sick needs of modern man/woman than it does for this cult itself.
rockster71 3 years ago
A friend of mine is paying four or five thousand EUROS every year to those people. I have been to the intro as well and it is simply using the weak parts of the people and finally the participants become depending on that 'thing' for their mental stability...
oadam 3 years ago
thnx for sharing.
hawlemnyair 3 years ago
Landmark Forum is an aggressive money grubbing scam. The people at the meetings are so superficially happy. When they leave the safety of their center, they transform back to their miserable selves.
radicals88 3 years ago
i believe landmark forum is sagnsdhsdvjks horrible.. i did it.. 3 days w.e and my introduction day after everyone was done talking and time was up everyone left i waited outside and heard them screaming about some crap...
alxalexle 3 years ago
I had a job like that one restroom break every two hours
[5 min] you ran -it was a large building restroom was to far away to walk at leasure.
No speaking to one another on anything to do with God, informants sat amongst us/ reported anything that sounds spiritual... note 2 Satanist; weres free to speak of Satan all they wanted: no problem to the Co.
Terri3210 3 years ago
My sister talked me into the Forum. I walked away a skeptic. My Sis'll probably raise her kids on the Forum and believ every breakthrough in her life is due to the Forum. She admitted that there's weirdness in the Forum, but that she's savvy enough to draw on the positive teachings and ignore the crap. Well, it's her life. I think the Forum is a dangerous for profit outfit. Before there ever was a Forum, many people still found success and happiness. It's not for me
That's my racket, lulz
sydbernice 3 years ago
wat were u supose to look for in the landmark forum?.. wat key points are suspicious in the forum?..
alxalexle 3 years ago
Isn't Landmark basically Scientology without the aliens etc?
neocoders 3 years ago
Yes, It's closer to EST.
sablechicken 3 years ago
Thank you so much for your posting !!! I was wondering what was happening to my friend and why she couldn't think for herself and kept fooling herself into these " breakthroughs" with no actual changes in her life
rightclicksave 3 years ago
Thank you for sharing this!
angieskidney 3 years ago
Here's what you all need to know: I was posting on someone's promotional clip and after a couple of back and forths, she blocked me. Other promo videos only allow you to post comments pending approval. There's no room for debate. There's no room for critical questioning. Notice how there are hardly ever any non-stellar reviews? Notice how all the stellar reviews are almost identical, practically scripted? Wake up people. LM is not the answer. It actually becomes part of the problem.
Sulalee 3 years ago
This woman is brave, and she knows what she's talking about. So many people have been messed up by this company's so called education. What they do is using an effective mind control technique to break people down, without taking any responsibility for the consequences. In result, those who fail to become devotees/salesmen for the Forum often end up depressed and/or experience psychotic episodes. Many of them take their own lives. While Landmark "Education" makes some more money.
emmaludmilla 3 years ago
A few years ago my friend invited me to go to some sort of friends and family night at LM. I saw through the BS immediately and decided to "F" around with them. When they split us up into little groups I kept asking questions they didn't like. Also, I kept texting with my husband the whole time. I got up and walked out in the middle of one presentation. I'm sure they have me on some blacklist somewhere. My poor friend, however, still hasn't really gotten her life together after all that. LM=BS.
Sulalee 3 years ago
Mmmm....amazing. Reminds me of a friend of mine who is now a zombie because she was brainwashed by the HERBALIFE cult. She lost everything- money, friends, LIFE, and still thinks she's saving the world from all illnesses with those shitty overpriced vitamins. All non- Herbalifers are unenlightened and to be won over or avoided (including family) to her.
Sad.
LumierexCosmic 3 years ago
Not only mind control but CROWD CONTROL. They want to stop you from using critical judgment and they say that your very criticism of the program is the behavior that needs to be fixed. Right wingers and fascists!
They are sales people that like us are having trouble living on "unliveable wages" in the US.
The United States is brainwashed not only by Landmark Education type groups but most media as well.
obbligato123 3 years ago
obbligato123 You are so right!
sablechicken 3 years ago
right on the money..brainwashing money making CULT.
nanobot81 3 years ago
My whole dad's family is in this cult, thank you for exposing the treacheries of this (and without exaggeration) CULT. I am only thirteen and they tried to make me join many times...but i refues because i saw videos like this, so thank you.
KVblowYouDown 3 years ago
KVblowYouDown Sorry your family is caught up in Landmark...they want to start taking kids as young as 8 yrs old...they target schools, from private grade schools to colleges.
sablechicken 3 years ago
sablechicken, the Chinese government just invited Landmark Education to do a pilot program for grade schools students. I don't have the details of this but Landmark is becoming more and more widely recognised for having a valuable, valid and useful product and to be a trustworthy company that stands behind what it promises. That has been my experience of purchasing it's courses as well. AND like anything in life...it is not for everyone.
zigzagidiot 3 years ago
Nice vid.
You felt like, "the whole world was under some kinda spell, some brainwashing?" You are right.
Check out the videos "There is a Policeman Inside All Our Heads" and the works of Michael Tsarion.
kjdyatta 3 years ago
thank you.
I'll show this to a friend who was into this cult 2 years ago (and ofcourse they still call her to attend more courses) and she still doesn't get it.
Landmark is just like Scientology, except they admit it is a business.
You are right, it's a corporate cult.
thanks for sharing.
NaNlolz 4 years ago
this woman is certifiable. god bless her soul
blkdykegoddess 4 years ago
I was almost alluded into this cult enterprise and I must herald your bravery in posting this video, otherwise I could've ended up in places I can't begin to fathom. From the bottom of my heart, thank-you and no matter who scutinises you just remember that this video is for a just cause fighting a threat against societal and individual values, attitudes and beliefs. There is no way I can think of repaying you except saying thank-you and keep fighting.
Ta,
Chris.
chihiro873 4 years ago
Thank you, I am glad that my video helped. I have not even told the whole story about LM. It's bad.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Landmark is a cult. Order and read the book Outrageous Betrayal to understand it fully. It is dangerous, and is supposed to "help" in some ways, or else no one would go back or recommend it. But it is shady and disgusting. I pray for the families of those involved. BE CAREFUL and STAY AWAY!!!!!!!!
brianfritz2006 4 years ago
Brianfritz2006 Thank you for the book recommendation and your comment.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I bailed out on the third day of their Forum. It was an insult to my Christian faith and person. It took me weeks to shake off their pseud-scientology aggression. I commend your strength Sable.... you are a survivor.
kalitexnis10 4 years ago
I never heard of Land Mark before, but I am so sorry you had to go through what you did. I know what brain washing is like.. the Mormon church tried to get to me, and they almost succeeded.
EmoSaga 4 years ago
my dad joined this cult a few years ago, and ruined my life with his unrelenting pressure. i worked for him at the family business for 6 years. after attending the intro session, which i thought was condescending and horrible, i did tons of research. after years of dedication, i lost my job and transportation, because of my refusal to join. fuck landmark
1111johnson 4 years ago
I lost $500 and a job and only gained anger after my horrible weekend Forum. I feel you sister
gimmeXpain 4 years ago
My Dad Joined this cult about a year ago because of some woman he was dating and her daughter. Now his favorite thing to do is use the word INTEGRITY as a cruch to lean on for the things that he think will benefit him in life, not everything in life just things that better himself. He has tried making me and my brother go on numerous occasions by trying to use guilt and reverse phycology. Anyways Pardon My French But FUCK LAND MARK
Drewpz 4 years ago
Your Dad is going to spend thousands dollars to use the word INTEGRITY. Sorry Drewpz I hope he comes to see the scam.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I'd like to say for your forum leader, i'm sorry you were screamed with a "shut up". I honestly am. I don't know if anyone every told you that. I do wonder why you posted this though. You said it was to "share a tidbit of your life" to anyone that cared. It seems like that is related. That no one every took but the "shut up" so you are still trying to find out if anyone cares what happened to you. we all do.
i hope you find happiness in whatever to do in life sable.
rideofthepalehorse 4 years ago
rideofthepalehorse Thanks for the nice comment. About 90% of the comment I receive on this video are from REALLY hateful LM devotees, that I never approve.
I got post-tramdic stress out LM. I have not told my whole story about what happened, because I am still sorting it out.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I took the course, (and the advanced, before I dropped out) it definitely has some shadier aspects, but it also has some valid educational points. Maintaining your identity throughout the process is paramount. There was some scarier aspects though. Landmark for better or worse changed my life, but I dont think you should be traumatized. Haha, yeah, integrity does get drilled in. They do teach some good stuff, and its not all a cult, but there is some wierdness, and some financial schemery.
zeustriassico 4 years ago
hey sable i think you have a lot of courage dealing with these assholes trying to take peoples money. try to find truth in god....he doesnt charge a dime. :) remember he loves us all and we are all in his mercy.
nanobot81 3 years ago
I just got invited by a friend of mine to a Landmark Education introductory course, and when they said "Bring your cheque book" the little alarm bells started ringing in my head right then. I might just pop in and see, but with no cheque book, and armed with research!
Good on you, and best wishes for the future.
3Point141 4 years ago
There are plenty of predators in government, business and religion.
Tbey all have one thing in common- they want control of your mind and money.
dakfeld 4 years ago
This really scary. My friend is in this. Does anyone have advice on what I should say to her?
fuzmiq 4 years ago
Fuzing I have some links in the discription box, just try and get her to take a look at what other people are saying about Landmark. I know if I would have thought to check them out before I would have never signed up.
I wish you the best of luck
sablechicken 4 years ago
Apologies for the series of comments from me....I meant only one and all were posted.
MarthaMartian 4 years ago
MarthaMartian, that's ok I have no problem with your comments.
Thank you
sablechicken 4 years ago
Thank you for sharing. You are not stupid, you are brave and smart. Good luck with your recovery and continue to speak out and educate us about totalist groups/cults such as Landmark.
MarthaMartian 4 years ago
You are not stupid. You are smart and brave. Good luck with your recovery, and for educating all of us. You did suffer abuse and trauma. Landmark and other totalist groups are NEVER going to be off the cult list. Using these techniques is NEVER ethical or safe, no matter who conducts it.
MarthaMartian 4 years ago
Landmark is on a list of cults and mind control entities. This training technique is abusive in so many ways, no matter who conducts it. Many of us make the mistake of signing a contract and then hand over our hard-earned money, and totalist groups like this know how to hoodwink the best of us. You are not stupid. You are smart and brave. I wish you luck with your recovery and keep speaking out.
MarthaMartian 4 years ago
Thank you for your comments. Your alarms going off in your head are being heard loud and clear here with this sister ("Ding, ding ding!) The combination of a hotel room, chairs, bad lighting, a binding contract (signed with pencil, pen, magic marker, crayon, blood), hard-earned money exchanging hands, promises for a cure, can be very enticing. I found out the hard way, with a different totalist/cult "life changing" opportunity. Keep talking about it. I think you are pretty smart.
MarthaMartian 4 years ago
This "education" has many cult-like attributes, use of jargon, group pressure, intimidation, high pressure sales, blaming critics for the failure of the program, excessive rules and humiliation= brain washing.
alexoidztube 4 years ago
Oh my. I hear the pain in her voice and it's terrible that corporate cults are allowed to operate business anywhere especially in the United States. She is obviously traumatized by this. People should not subject themselves to mind control. These people make you feel like you're deficient until you take all their courses.
shauny2206 4 years ago
great video, well done, experience well described and lets hope it saves at least one person from being turned into a 'transformation' droid. This crap is so popular but is so much like cocaine in the 70's and crack or meth now, its deadly, costly and guaranteed to strip its partakers of all dignity..even though they may never realize it has happened.
Good job sablechicken.
geekode 4 years ago
Thank you Geekode, I think it has already helped a lot of people. YouTube give a voice to the little person like me that has no other way to fight a big EVIL company like Landmark Education.
sablechicken 4 years ago
right on the money geek. landmark is a very powerful drug and people will do and pay anything to maintain that high.
nanobot81 3 years ago
part 6
She was convinced that she wouldn't be good enough until she did the next course.... always 'the next course' and of course she was always trying to sell the forum like some amway fuckhead. Anyway.. landmarks doesn't belong in the clinical setting, that's obvious...what an interesting day it's been.
kolonelklunt 4 years ago
part 5
Afterwards the student asked me if I wanted to come on Tuesday night for one of these sessions! I politely replied, 'tonight I will be doing a lot of reading and talking with others on this landmarks thing'.
It wasn't until I looked it up that I found out it was "THE FORUM" something that seriously fucked up a friend of mine.
kolonelklunt 4 years ago
part 4
By now I'm quietly fuming. I redirect the conversation back to my agenda and that is trying to work out some decent supports for the clients imminent discharge. He kept on bringing it up though. I managed to keep her attention thank fuck and get some kind of useful dialogue happening.
kolonelklunt 4 years ago
part 3
You don't have to get up and tell everyone your problems, others might get up who you will in some way identify with" (or words to that effect) "it costs $500!"
kolonelklunt 4 years ago
part 2
The client was a young vulnerable woman, a single parent trying to get of the grog. I recommended a number of clinically proven forms of psychotherapy that would suit her and her spiritual perspective. Well I tell you she was the perfect victim. This student then says, "I maybe shouldn't say this " (and I'm thinking 'famous last words!') "but, there's these classes that I take called Landmarks, they help improve you.
kolonelklunt 4 years ago
part 1
Well done Sablechicken,
I work in an alcohol and drug detox centre working with some of the most vulnerable folk in society. Today this student sat in on a case management/ brief therapy session. He is a very confident social work student. It's very hard to make the right kind of connection with a 3rd person there, but a connection was made.
kolonelklunt 4 years ago
Thanks for the info sablechicken.
This is a scary and real situation. Cults are out there and will take advantage of you.
boganmonkey 4 years ago
I met someone who invited us to a sort of celebration meeting for her. I told her on the telephone that I saw through the whole thing, that we did not need this. If something is too good to be true, it mostly is. It was a special meeting for people who'd make more from life. But we had love, a roof over our head, enough money to live, so why go? Her response that we had to live up to our fullest potential raised goosebumps in my neck. I decide what that is, and not someone who barely knows me.
Josefini 4 years ago
I hope this cult becomes subjected to more exposure such as this video, nothing else will give people pause before foolishly rushing off with their brainwashed friends and family (people they trust, used to 'hook' them)to a forum.
gurusnotmyfriends 4 years ago
"I hope this cult becomes subjected to more exposure such as this video..."
Me too. I have 2 formerly close friends in this cult. Read "Outrageous Betrayal" for an in depth look at the criminal who engineered Landmark Forum.
PhilMcKrakken 4 years ago
I went to a Landmark Introduction last night. I felt this brainwashing in the intro night! I left the "seminar" with the person that invited me and i was scared to death! strangest part was that only two guests left without signing up AND THAT WAS ME AND ONE OTHER. We were the only two that left during the sign up time. these people are powerful and convincing they are also evil. Thank you for posting this vlog people MUST know about this CULT Landmark. Tell your friends I sure am.
RixFire 4 years ago
RixFire,
I'm glad you could see it. The people that love Landmark and think it is doing something for them, get very mean it you are not thinking like they do.
sablechicken 4 years ago
The only thing I know of that works with them is to say, " I am not interested."
Supposedly, those are the only "code" words to get them to leave you alone.
Darlin', you weren't stupid. You were LIED to and tricked, as were thousands of others of us.
frithar 4 years ago
Thanks for that information.
davidchenard 4 years ago
Your welcome Davidchenard
sablechicken 4 years ago
This is a great video. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Homestarrior 4 years ago
Thanks sablechicken for posting this vlog. I'm intrigued with topics like this, I've been researching $cientology, and I'm a big critic of that cult. From what you've said, and i believe you, LM souds like a cult. Interesting tidbit a man by the name of Darren Mack murdered his ex wife, and shot a judge. He sniped the judge from a rooftop in downtown Reno NV. This happened in '06 the story made national headlines. Both Darren Mack and his ex wife had worked for LM at one time.
sk8mike 4 years ago
Thank you for your comment sk8mike
sablechicken 4 years ago
A Landmark Forum Leader grabbed and pulled and hurt my neck in 1988
vominator 4 years ago
Vominator, the LE Leader didn't touch me, but he was so up in my face. Only a inch from my nose, I have never had anyone so up in my face like that in my whole life. $395. to be abused.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I experienced THEM in Australia....it is a brainwashing cult I did all the courses they offered only to end up physically, mentally and nervously breaking down it runined my life for a while.....
Clevared 4 years ago
Thanks for this posting. Recently lost some friends to Landmark, just have to write them off.
lookbackinbanter 4 years ago
I second that! I imagine it will happen soon, slowly, as youtube and video blogging becomes as ubiquitous as message board posting.
gurutruth 4 years ago
You should also look into the business structure behind the organization, and the history of the organization itself. CEO is Harry Rosenberg, Werner Erhard's brother, and his sister Joan Rosenberg sits on the Board of Directors, Erhard's attorney Art Schreiber is General Counsel and Chairman of the Board. For more info on this and more background, I highly recommend the book OUTRAGEOUS BETRAYAL, by Steven Pressman.
gurutruth 4 years ago
Thanks for the information Guruthuth. More videos need to be done about what Landmark Education is really about.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I agree with her. Total cult/brainwash.
mcboxer 4 years ago
Thanks for taking the time to post this!
goto: myspace dot com slash findjamesrowe
shirteesdotnet 4 years ago
I'm so sorry, I pray you find your bother again. I posted a link on the side bar to your page.
sablechicken 4 years ago
This Bitch is confused! I took Landmark and I didn't end up fucked in the head! I just learned to be "Fully self Expressed" and become a heartless, productive Robot! Oh.......... I guess I am fucked in the head :(
phildpain 4 years ago
Philpain, Thanks for the laugh!
;)
sablechicken 4 years ago
Has anyone ever noticed that the circles that they draw on the chalkboard strangely resemble Scientology's symbol in the desert to attract the reincarnated alien Scientologists? Please don't give these people any more money. Shame on Landmark Education and the Forum!
banditxyz123 4 years ago
Yes Benditxyz123
Shame on Landmark Education and the Forum!
sablechicken 4 years ago
Why are only 400 employees paid and the other 8,000 volunteers? Could it be brainwashing? Why don't they have manuals, real brochures or marketing material? How about because it's not a real product. Why couldn't they just tell me to read Dianetics, Psycho-Cybernetics or The Secret? It's the same BS.
banditxyz123 4 years ago
Thank you for sharing this. I have never experience this kind of emotional rollercoaster before in a seminar. I was floored when I finally realized on Sunday at 4:15pm that it was all "smoke and mirrors". Thank you to Rick Ross for giving me the background on this scam. I want my weekend back!
banditxyz123 4 years ago
this cult destroyed my marriage and they came very close to getting me to commit suicide using my wife against me.
bonedaddy21 4 years ago
I'm sorry to hear that Bonedaddy21. I think what struck me real hard about Landmark Education and left the strongest impression on me was how much they really don't care about people, to the point it becoming evil.
Landmark Education is a CULT.
sablechicken 4 years ago
It's not evil, I took Landmark And now I'm a super productive robot, and robots don't know evil unless they're PROGRAMMED.................................
phildpain 4 years ago
You are too funny! Phildpain
sablechicken 4 years ago
I know people who have taken Landmark. Not all of them have pressured me to take the course, but most of them have. When I ask them for specifics, they just tell me that it contains tool for building relationships. When I ask them to give me a tool, they dance around the issue and simply tell me I need to take the Landmark course. I've been to the website and, so far, I haven't seen any actual principles or tools on dispay, just sales language about taking their course.
bilavideo 4 years ago
It's snake oil, it can be anything to anyone...but really you will be come a sales person for Landmark Education.
Don't go save yourself hunderds of dollars.
sablechicken 4 years ago
you must visit rickrossdotcom and search landmark particularly the french video
bonedaddy21 4 years ago
Two long time friends of mine got sucked into this bullsh!t cult.
Needless to say, I have very little to no contact with them anymore, and NOT because I don't want to. When you use the "C" word and tell them that NO, you do not want to attend the Landmark Forum event, they suddenly decide they don't want to be your friend anymore.
Landmark Education is VERY similar to Scientology.
w w w DOT cultnews DOT com/?cat=81
VioletClub 4 years ago
I had fraternity "brothers" in college trying to talk me into attending a Landmark forum. After doing some research, I discovered how much of a cult it was, and talked a few friends out of doing it as well.
ranmaniac1 4 years ago
What is the name of the cult ?
BlowUpTheEarth 4 years ago
Landmark Education or Landmark Forum
There are alot of differant names
sablechicken 4 years ago
this is weird because i went to this a few weeks ago and i dunno. some of what youre saying i believe. i didnt feel like i had to drag my parents into it, and i walked on the evening session since i didnt like being pressured to take the next course. i definitley have used some of the things they taught me, but i do agree that the pressure to continue and the money involved is sick.
stephatrc 4 years ago
check out rickross dot com for
for information on cults.
onepatrickone 4 years ago
I lost my wife, my marriage, my unborn child and my two daughters to this desperate, depraved CULT. I nearly lost my wife as the CULT used her to try to get me to commit suicide. They...everyone was sure I was going to kill myself. I was vilified the second I quit this purely evil CULT and it got much worse from there.
bonedaddy21 4 years ago
Also, a great book to read to see some of the backstory is OUTRAGEOUS BETRAYAL: THE DARK JOURNEY OF WERNER ERHARD FROM EST TO EXHILE
gurutruth 4 years ago
Landmark Education has been investigated by the Federal Department of Labor in the United States. They have been investigated by the Federal Department of Labor in France. They have been investigated and classified in lists of "cults" or "sects" by the Federal Governments of Austria, France, and Germany. There is LOADS more information in written format, as well as audio, video, etc. on the internet. Just look. And right here on Youtube, search for "eff landmark forum".
gurutruth 4 years ago
They are very sneaky in their approach.When someone tried to talk me into going it was a friend of a friend, who just happened to pop by!The fact that it starts off at a low price and the further u go with the course(The more they suck u in)the more expensive it becomes. I remember the figure she said she had to pay was just ridiculous.She was oblivious to how pathetic and desperate she sounded for me to go.Thats a sure sign of brainwashing, trying to talk your friends out of money.
heresorah 4 years ago
Hi Sable, I was recruited into LM in 2005 and got out just few months ago. I'm with you. I'm trying to get my friend out too, maybe i'll show him this video. All the best.
momodiesel2006 4 years ago
Good for you, I hope you get your friend out too.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Also, in that report, a psychologist who specializes in brainwash and cults pointed out the similarities in the Landmark system, and cults and brainwashing. It is available by torrent, on btjunkie..com Search "landmark"
jybedard 4 years ago
Jybedard, thanks for the information. At one point I had alot of links about LM, but my computer crashed and I lost all that research. I need to look all that stuff up again and put it in the side bar to help others. . I have heard about LM sueing magazines for writing articals exposing them. Thank God for YouTube because before this there was no real way for me to speak out about them.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I have put a deposit on the first course called "forum" and am seriously thinking of letting them keep the 100$ and not showing up. It's weird. They charge 500-1000$ per course, but it's almost all volunteer operated, and it was these same volunteers that used pressure sales tactics to get me to sign up. A volunteer using pressure sales...hmm..brainwash??
jybedard 4 years ago
Not many people get a refund. I hope you can get your $100 back, but if you can't don't give them any more. You are so right about the volunteers. What ever personal thing you think you would be working on, will be replaced by a new goal of working on helping LM get more people signed up. PS they are going to call you all the time, DON'T GIVE IN.
sablechicken 4 years ago
After posting my comment, I downloaded a special that was aired in France in 2004 (I think) where a reporter infiltrated Landmark from Forum all the way up to being asked to be trained as recruiter... 6 MONTHS of training on how to effectively recruit people. When you consider what they accomplish in a weeknd...imagine 6 months.
jybedard 4 years ago 2
I glad you saw it and got out of there, Prokreation.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Watching this i realise that I made the right decision not to attend a landmark group which a so-called friend of a friend was trying to sign me up to... I am so glad that even in my vulnerable state at the time, the alarm bells rang and I was spared an experience like yours...Good on u for speaking out.. Its a dangerous place!
heresorah 4 years ago
The sad thing is when you're in it, they try to pound in your head to stop listening to the "alarm bells" and make you question what you naturally believe to be right or wrong. I'm glad you didn't go.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I'm not doing any Landmark now, and I did for five years and loved it. That said, I can see where you're coming from, SC.
I think that helping the company change is where I most want to help. Like a person with a bad temper, Landmark is mostly made of good people, and sometimes, they say things that they shouldn't.
The thing they lack the most is Compassion during transitions. Sorry that you had a bad time, and thanks for posting this video. :-)
Mark
markberry555 4 years ago
Thank you so much for posting this video. As you can see over 2000+ people found it worth watching.
I have a lifelong friend who has just recently joined the CULT. She has shut me out of her life and become hateful. I have no idea how to get through to her & pull her out of this crap. Perhaps I will forward your video to her.- Thanks again!
roxybox68 4 years ago 2
Roxy, I'm sorry that your friend is into it so deep.
Thank you for the encouragement on this video, Rickross dot com has more information on LM as well. It is amazing how many of the stories parallel one another. I wish you the best of luck with your friend.
sablechicken 4 years ago
You live life and then you die. What else is there to life except being there for others and making the most of it.
rivet001 4 years ago
It's nice that you thought that you got something out of Landmark, but could you just been brainwashed to believe that you really got what you think you got out of it, see the distinction?
Others I talked to at the time of my exit said they just signed up again not out of what they got out of it, but what they "thought" others got out of it.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Ok. You get to be right. Now what? Consider that you're holding onto your position and being right about it is killing off possibility. What would become possible for you if you got authentically interested in what Landmark can make possible for you? To answer that question requires giving up being right about your point of view that Landmark brainwashed you (and others).
atardos 4 years ago
The way Landmark uses the word "Possibility" is like some kind of Landmark language. Becareful changing the meanings of words is a hallmark of cults. Go look up RickRoss (dot) com And ask yourself why it is important for you to put the hard sell on me NOW. (because that is their goals more than yours) I truely wish you the best.
sablechicken 4 years ago
If creating new meanings of words makes something a cult, I guess medical school, auto mechanics, politics, law school, mathematics, science, and virtually any specialized field are cults. So be it. If that's what a cult is, then I don't see cults as bad.
atardos 4 years ago
Arron, Come on, there is more to it then just language. If you went for an education work shop for medical school, auto mechanics, politics, law school, mathematics, science..etc...you would take NOTES! Landmark will not let you take notes. You have to ask yourself, what kind of education is this?
sablechicken 4 years ago
I can see that you're not open to being contributed to, so I'll say good bye at this point because I can only make a difference with someone who is open to contribution.
My parting advice to you is to call the Landmark Education office where you took the Landmark Forum and talk to a staff member to resolve your complaints. I promise that person's context will be making a contribution to you but you'll have to actually listen for that to hear it.
atardos 4 years ago
I want nothing to do with Landmark, I am one of the few that got my money back, but that didn't even begin to cover the cost (not mentioned in this video) To fight them would be like fighting big tobacco. So my advice to all is to never even go to the introductory meeting...if forced to, leave your Visa and check book at home. Good luck to you Arron.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I completed the LF, and one thing I got out of it was how to stand up for myself and say no. I told them not to call again, and they didn't. That's all it takes--you are a lot more powerful than you think. Your friends and family love you and shared this with you. Think about it.
memerider 4 years ago
Memerider, $400 to learn how to say "No"!?! ...what a deal, BTW my husband had to tell them they would be sued if they kept calling.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I invite you to re-look at your experience of the Landmark Forum from the distinction of separating out What Happened from your Story or Interpretation about What Happened. You're video has NO DISTINCTION between the two. If you practiced that one distinction you'd have a lot more freedom in your life. What do you get out of having your Story Collapsed with What Happened?
atardos 4 years ago
I'm sorry your comment doesn't make sence to me. I know what happened, and even if it was unpleasant and I would like to expose LM for the cult it is. All things work out for the good in God's plan. What happened IS part of my story.
sablechicken 4 years ago
you make a complete fool of yourself reciting this fool-making jibberish. Take a good look at what you've just said, you've just said NOTHING at all. You've attempted to get SC to doubt the reality of what she experienced. Well, newsflash...she's obviously NOT silly enough to doubt just because you're trying to program a bullshit reason into her to cause her to doubt. Get a grip, you are communicating outside the fold here.
gurusnotmyfriends 4 years ago
just to clarify: the last statement was a reply to 'atardos' from a post about 6 months ago. Not addressing the last post from 'geekode'.
gurusnotmyfriends 4 years ago
This type of speak is what landmark teaches you. If you need an example of someone grappling with their identity and someone that desperately needs something to believe in...atardos is the one. A blathering zombie...who accepts common sense packaged by esoteric coating.
shauny2206 4 years ago
sad thing is, this atardos character likely had a perfectly acceptable and adequate identity before a cult got its hooks in to him/her and redefined their identity until the original was erased. That is so sad and so evil an act to commit against someone.
gurusnotmyfriends 4 years ago
Atardos,
What you said didn't make sense to SC. "I invite you" and "the distinction of separating out" and "What Happened from your Story..." are mumbo jumbo.
What's So is that Landmark created that experience for her. And the company isn't accountable for that, owning that, and apologizing for the experience she had.
That's a huge problem in their company policy and procedures! Where's their responsibility in that?!!
markberry555 4 years ago
Landmark is a scam. they stole most of thier ideas from scientology. changed a few words around. but its all the same. "get clear", "share yourself". I took the "cirriculum for living" and a few other course and when I wanted to quit, they hounded me and hounded me. "don't you see an opportunity to live your life more fully?- but your whole and complete already" what a joke.
hunterochoa 4 years ago 2
Ouch chick...thats hardcore. I did the course about a year or so back but never had that shit goin on. I found it pretty cheesy but never evil. What a horrid experience. Hmmm...very dark and morbid footage you made though. And you ended with sharing your story...'with whoever cares?" Sure ur not looking at the world through a pair of really dark sunglasses? No wot i mean??
pacerman265 4 years ago
To talk about it does take me to a very dark place, I have not even revealed the worst of it. Landmark is not nice to people that throw a wrench in their little money making plan...They do have a plan B just for anyone that butt heads with them.
sablechicken 4 years ago
they had my sister, who they turnend into a zombie, just ignorded her kids in a target store, so just get them on the phone and go OFFFF on them they ask me are u in fear for her life, I saiad FUCK yeh, thios guy wanted to come over to gE OWNER SAYS HES NOT IN CONTROL HE IS WERNER...............cya and i really hope your kids are patty hearst kids
stox500 4 years ago
Yikes! I took the Landmark and had a totally different experience. Mine was uplifting.
To each their own, I suppose.
I hope you're livin' an awesome life!
J.
Janessashae 4 years ago 2
Thank Janessahae, I hope you are living a good life too.
sablechicken 4 years ago
SC, You seem to be speaking the truth, by my estimation. I was taken by a friend to a short meeting tonight. Various people who'd taken the advanced course spoke about the part of themselves of which they'd disposed and the new person they'd become. I actually credit most of the people I saw with trying to work on themselves. After the 35 minutes or so, we visitors were led out. I bolted after saying a civil bye to the instructor. It smacked of cultism. I was so glad to get out of that building!
felliniesque2000 4 years ago 3
I think you made the right choice to get out as fast as you could.
sablechicken 4 years ago
I did the Forum weekend about 12 years ago, followed by a 10 week workshop. The weekend is intense but the tactics are designed to get your attention. What I got from it was that nobody was ever going to care as much about my life as I did. The 10 week course was more about how Landmark makes its money, as you say. I'd say it's primarily a business built around personal growth. It's not for everyone. The world is full of things that aren't for everyone. You mustn't take it personally.
liz1060 4 years ago
I do take it personally, brain washing people is a serious, and evil violation on a person's mind. If only a small percentage of people have a strong negative reaction to it like myself...LM should be held responsible, what they are doing should be considered a crime.
sablechicken 4 years ago
She's not taking it "personally." It's a cult, a manipulative money-making racket designed to make you dependent on LM. And SC is telling iot like it is. People need to hear her voice, and the voices of others like her. Thank you, SC. I have a friend who is disappearing down the tubes...and almost nothing is left but a slogan-slinging Pod Person who--when he feels doubts about LM--then hates himself and blames himself for his deficiencies. So sad!
limeginger 4 years ago
PS. how do you know that the Hotel disallows LM from holding Forums/Seminars there, u think the hotel is on your side? In business like that, money talks.. They need somewhere to host it. Thats probably where some of your money goes.
If you are in the 6% of people who don't like or dont accept the change that you want for your life, then thats ok, leave it, it didnt work for you, but please refrain from putting others off from creating an amazing possibility for themselves.
djade76 4 years ago
djade76,I went to the Hotel afterwards to complain, but before I could even say much they had gotten wind of LM's reputation, and told me that they were no longer a welcome guest. Look around the internet, start with "Rickross".....com.
If I can help just one person it's worth it for me...they burned me bad.
sablechicken 4 years ago
LOL!! Funny stuff. I have done and completed the Landmark forum, Family and friends have done it, and none have had any experiences like you have mentioned,you shouldnt lie about what goes on in the landmark forum.There are a lot of sceptics that will not open themselves to change, and therefore junk the forum before even completing it, go and think for yourself. You say Stupid american? Yes, you can't think for yourself, let your government continue to brainwash you.
djade76 4 years ago
djade76, How long have you and your family been in Landmark Education? How much money have you given them? Why do you say that I lied? I was in there, I know what happened. That hotel no longer welcomes LE either. Look over your notes, tell me what you learned...I bet you didn't take notes, because it is not allowed.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Thats right, you dont need notes to change your life, Landmark helps you see what parts you can change if you wish, Its not about money, its about the transformation of your own life, which can be priceless, I did the forum in March 2005, My sister and her Fiance did it in late 2005, father 2004, his partner before that. We have given the fee to do it, and nothing more, You make it sound a lot more sinister than it is. Remember, I was there too..
djade76 4 years ago
djade76,
"creating an amazing possibility" Well isn't that vague! It's like snake oil, it can fix anything. That is as long as you pay them and get all your friends and family to sign up for another $400 or $600 a weekend to sit around for 3 days from 7am to midnight and have someone yelling at you "YOU'RE A JERK!" It didn't work for me.
sablechicken 4 years ago
its only as vague or clear as you interpretation allows.
djade76 4 years ago
well my interpretation of it was very clear...they use brain washing technics to make you think that you are getting something for the big loot that took you for.
sablechicken 4 years ago
Sable,
Thanks! I'm sorry that happened to you.
Also, thanks for posting this video.
When did you take this class? What year?
markberry555 4 years ago
Having taken the forum, it is hard for me to understand your viewpoint. Did you actually complete the course? I admit, it is not easy and is often compared to an emotional/mental rollercoaster, but what do you expect from a course that brings you through more maturation in a few days than most people experience in a lifetime. Its intense, but awsome! I'm sorry you had a rough time sable.
ohyeaross 4 years ago
I did mine 3 weeks ago. I had the same reactions.
Yet what I got was that it was possible to step out of my usual patterns and create new possibilities for ME! No longer was my life just about a choice between "a rock" and a "hard place", which was where I existed for 32 yrs.
The "devotees" are only sharing their experiences as you are doing.
SentiUganda 4 years ago
i have a friend who keeps inviting me to these "Introduction meetings" at his house. and i finally said i would go. and now im watching all this stuff online and im so scared. he's been acting weird since he did this landmark education thing. i said to him just now, before i got off the phone, that it sounded like a cult or a pyramid scheme. and he said he Promises its not a cult. or a pyramid scheme. should i run screaming? i feel bad, i already made a commitment to go.
Salimakm 4 years ago