@grandmabeatinstick well clearly you have no idea what it's like to be an alcohol because if you did you would know AA is not for numbing pain it's to speak with other alcoholics and learn how to live. AA is better than being drunk. Something you would know if you had almost lost your life to alcohol. What do you care? If it helps people stay sober than that's what's important
"Alcoholism" or indeed any addiction is NOT a disease. It is a series of bad choices. The resolution of course is to make better choices. If the things you do whilst drunk are causing legal/financial/mental/social problems, just don't drink. Really. It is that simple. You don't need the cult of the 12 steps. You aren't powerless.
By the same logic that AA uses, you could call most addictions in the world diseases, including drug addiction. But apparently, only alcoholism is a real disease. :p
It's a self-diagnosis. No wait, I retract that, you never diagnose yourself as an alcoholic, someone else does it for you. Not only that, but they force you to admit it, day after day.
No wonder these people believe they have a disease. They surround themselves with nothing but support for this erroneous conclusion. Could there be genetic predispositions to enjoying alcohol? Absolutely, I believe.
Indulgence is NOT a disease, however, it is a choice, no matter how difficult it is to resist.
@Gngrcpl Kinda like religion core values are to help people , Religious people are not only the victims of mass killings , rape , torture , committed mass atrocities , i bet the hundreds of million of people the were being slaughter didn't want any of religions help . The persecution and often murder of persons , genocide , along religious lines AA religious belief; AA primary role , is a branch off this criminal tree, The association between religion and AA is long-standing ,intertwined
@Gngrcpl so i dont need to show you any prof of Santa so many kids believe in it , Santa must be real too ? If AA was so good they would have books of facts if AA helped so many they would have stats and figures showing this but there are no such reports , AA is a cult and dose not want the truth to be known , And what you call bashing most people call telling the truth . AA has hurt more then its helped , AA is a money making busines that hides in the shadows like a coward AA is not helping
@Gngrcpl show me any thing other then gossip and lies , anything the would make me believe you , stats , facts , anything ? your chasing a lie so dont preach to me about how good AA is because i know that AA is a lie , snake oil and cult like meetings dont save me or anyone , "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
@Gngrcpl they're not actually sober if they use another thing (AA) to numb their responsibility for their own actions. AA makes cowards, just like alcoholism.
AA helps people period. People who were rock bottom. Speaking from personal experience I have been sober without AA and I was a miserable prick. You must have had a bad AA experience to be bashing a program that helps people. Nothing in life is perfect.
@Gngrcpl would you show me any stat or reports , where do you get your number from ? AA fail rate is right up there with doing nothing 98 % , i few it has save are not free , brain wash cult behavior and living life by rules written by a com man , raciest , criminal , believing in witch craft and snake oil , higher powers is going no ware , in fact AA says there is no cure and you have to go to AA for life ,, AA is a money making business , pushing religion in a cult like setting brain washing
Why did you send me email? I'll answer this poorly edited garbage (drunk again?) with a video you will no doubt rip off for your own selfish purposes. If you only knew the true meanings behind some of the songs you rip off. Seriously...go find a REAL home group. At least you didn't ban me from commenting on your page like those idiotic Brit's did...nooooo you came looking for me asking...nooo begging me to comment...well here ya go buddy. Go watch "I get it" from Chevelle loser..
@arizonabay07 dont you have a meeting to go too , you contacted me , yes i used a song from a very good band , i play in band and can play any song out there . i dont know where your going with this but please leave the good people in britis out of it , lol you need to get away from AA your a mess , theres alot of life out there , try something besides TV , you seem to be full of rage and hate , i would never block any one , you make your self look bad with your senseless immature coments ..
@rexxed33 i hate band groupies who are upset their music isn't commercial. i hate ppl who spend five minutes in AA judging the place because they talk about God (of YOUR own understanding) not religion and spend days editing crap videos from bands they wished they had the talent to be in just because they didn't have the nerve to actually read the damn book.
@arizonabay07 you hate alot , and your grasping at straws , judge someone else please this is getting old , i wish you all the best and hope you get the help you need , please if you dont want to get real help , its your life , AA is very weak at best , look around , open your eyes , real help is there when you had enough of AA , i am sorry to see AA has you brainwashed so bad , you seem like a good person , your AA and god trip is very boreing , u have to have a look for yourself ,belive in u
@arizonabay07 "I get it" wow that song sucks bad , your taste in music shows your thought pattern . really do you like that song lol i can tell you dont play any musical instrument . your song is for posers , commercial , boring song zzzzzzzzzzz , i wouldn't use this song for ass wipe , at least you didnt send me a GOD song , what else do you have for me , How was your meeting tonight lots of wining and bitching ? good coffee ? did you hold hands and pray , hugs lol AA sucks as bad as you do
no one is forcing you to join AA but 10 ,000s court oddered cases ,jobs , and others force you to go , your so brainwashed you cant even see what is in front of your eyes..crimes run deep in AA from finical to abuse racketeering tax evaion cover ups and the list goes on..like bottom feeders taken ,lieing , saying anything to hide the fact AA is a cult and dose make billion a year and is worth hundreds of billions , and is involed in hidden accounts off shoe and under false names
@sovietmarxist well i cant say if was fun your right AA sucks bad i hate it dont need it lies lies lies but you go there and tell them how bad i am i would love to talk to your cult leader
I am not bashing i am telling the TRUTH AA cant see the TRUTH At least I came to a point in my life that I was aware and glad that I was alive before I died. There are many people like you in AA that will be never able to see/say that for themselves and are unaware of this beautiful life that is given to us and our connection as (human)beings! To help each other .theres a huge difference between a program that thinks they help and a program that is helping ..look at the truth .
As for the American Psychiatric horrors of psychiatry, of punishing and persecuting of the innocent and promoting untested meds.The he DSM IV and the upcoming DSM V only use is ass wipe. psychiatric are hand in had with pharmaceutical companies making 830 billion a year , mark my words the DSM V will say to put people on meds the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry to expose the insidious ways that illness is used, manipulated, and in some instances created, for capital gains
believing you have a incurable brain disease, that is how people are indoctrinated by the AA faith. AMA used to say smokeing was ok in the 60s too ,or how about Vioxx kill more peole then the veitnam war the AMA , and FDA can not be trusted and are dangerous to the safety of the American people. Simply put, FDA and AMA the Center of Drug Evaluation and Research are broken. playing with the safety of our familys health, Profits Before Patient Safety and AA lies go hand in had with it all
You seem to have a vendetta against AA. I have no feelings one way or the other, except to say that you may be leading people away from 12 step programs who might benefit from them. I am familiar with the 12 steps, and I can tell you that your interpretations of the meaning of the steps are completely wrong. Also, AA were not the ones originally to call alcoholism a disease. The AMA was first, I believe in the sixties, to state so.
You state that the WHO does not maintain the position that alcoholism is a disease. From the WHO's 2004 paper "Neuroscience of Psychoactive Substance Use and Dependence" : "...with recent advances in neuroscience, it is clear that substance dependence is a disorder of the brain as any other neurological or psychiatric illness." "Substance dependence is a chronic, relapsing disorder with a biological and genetic basis, and is not simply due to a lack of will or desire to quit."
The DSM IV and the upcoming DSM V recognize alcoholism and addiction as a disease. From Mental Health America's position statement: "Alcoholism and drug abuse and dependence are recognized as primary, progressive, chronic, relapsing and treatable diseases, with clear diagnostic categories in the American Psychiatric Association' Diagnostic and Statistical Manual-Fourth Edition (DSM-IV) and with evidence-based treatment principles and protocols."
You said it the best the ideal of Alcoholism is a Disease is nothing more then a "good idea" for AA to use decptive recruiting for the AA cult , mind manipulation just lie after lie the AA way.. Keep repeating false information outrageous claims , preaching gossip, abusive treatment of newcomers. AA is in
denial and will not take any Responsibility for all the LIES & FALSE CLAIMS, . AA was never designed to "help" anyone , AA wont be around much longer , people will look back and ask why
Frist step is to say your powerless , No one is powerless over alcohol well just the peole in AA are powerless you dont need you take care of me or the billions of other people who have quite without AA . Your Cult believes that everyone in the world has been "defeated by sin", and and is "insane" again just the peole in AA are . The use of god or a higher power has nothing to do with it . Keep going to your AA meetings for the next 25 years AA says there is no cure for your made up Disease
anyone with the wrong motives can twist a good idea. You claim that the steps are a way of avoiding respoibilty. Why is that you make a list of people you have harmed and then make amends to them? Why is it in the basic taxt that it states that recovery is our first responibitly meaning there are many more to take care of. Also believing in God or a higher power has to only do with guidence. It isn't a resource for pushing blame. I wish you would read all the information before make a judgement.
@grandmabeatinstick well clearly you have no idea what it's like to be an alcohol because if you did you would know AA is not for numbing pain it's to speak with other alcoholics and learn how to live. AA is better than being drunk. Something you would know if you had almost lost your life to alcohol. What do you care? If it helps people stay sober than that's what's important
Gngrcpl 2 months ago
"Alcoholism" or indeed any addiction is NOT a disease. It is a series of bad choices. The resolution of course is to make better choices. If the things you do whilst drunk are causing legal/financial/mental/social problems, just don't drink. Really. It is that simple. You don't need the cult of the 12 steps. You aren't powerless.
metronomic1 7 months ago
@metronomic1 That's exactly right. Well stated.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
By the same logic that AA uses, you could call most addictions in the world diseases, including drug addiction. But apparently, only alcoholism is a real disease. :p
ThePieIsLie 10 months ago
It's a self-diagnosis. No wait, I retract that, you never diagnose yourself as an alcoholic, someone else does it for you. Not only that, but they force you to admit it, day after day.
No wonder these people believe they have a disease. They surround themselves with nothing but support for this erroneous conclusion. Could there be genetic predispositions to enjoying alcohol? Absolutely, I believe.
Indulgence is NOT a disease, however, it is a choice, no matter how difficult it is to resist.
grrrr17 11 months ago
I don't need to show you stats the proof is in the numbers of people who are sober because of AA
Gngrcpl 1 year ago
@Gngrcpl Kinda like religion core values are to help people , Religious people are not only the victims of mass killings , rape , torture , committed mass atrocities , i bet the hundreds of million of people the were being slaughter didn't want any of religions help . The persecution and often murder of persons , genocide , along religious lines AA religious belief; AA primary role , is a branch off this criminal tree, The association between religion and AA is long-standing ,intertwined
rexxed33 1 year ago
@Gngrcpl so i dont need to show you any prof of Santa so many kids believe in it , Santa must be real too ? If AA was so good they would have books of facts if AA helped so many they would have stats and figures showing this but there are no such reports , AA is a cult and dose not want the truth to be known , And what you call bashing most people call telling the truth . AA has hurt more then its helped , AA is a money making busines that hides in the shadows like a coward AA is not helping
rexxed33 1 year ago
@rexxed33 wow that's a stretch, well I'm done here. Have a good life
Gngrcpl 1 year ago
@Gngrcpl show me any thing other then gossip and lies , anything the would make me believe you , stats , facts , anything ? your chasing a lie so dont preach to me about how good AA is because i know that AA is a lie , snake oil and cult like meetings dont save me or anyone , "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
rexxed33 1 year ago
@Gngrcpl You are wrong. rexxed33 is right. Simple as that!
XXXPaulJXXX 9 months ago
@Gngrcpl they're not actually sober if they use another thing (AA) to numb their responsibility for their own actions. AA makes cowards, just like alcoholism.
grandmabeatinstick 2 months ago
AA helps people period. People who were rock bottom. Speaking from personal experience I have been sober without AA and I was a miserable prick. You must have had a bad AA experience to be bashing a program that helps people. Nothing in life is perfect.
Gngrcpl 1 year ago
You're an idiot, AA has saved millions where nothing else could
Gngrcpl 1 year ago
@Gngrcpl would you show me any stat or reports , where do you get your number from ? AA fail rate is right up there with doing nothing 98 % , i few it has save are not free , brain wash cult behavior and living life by rules written by a com man , raciest , criminal , believing in witch craft and snake oil , higher powers is going no ware , in fact AA says there is no cure and you have to go to AA for life ,, AA is a money making business , pushing religion in a cult like setting brain washing
rexxed33 1 year ago
If alcoholism is a disease, then so is homosexuality!!!
teambenjamin1 1 year ago
@teambenjamin1 lol good point
rexxed33 1 year ago
Why did you send me email? I'll answer this poorly edited garbage (drunk again?) with a video you will no doubt rip off for your own selfish purposes. If you only knew the true meanings behind some of the songs you rip off. Seriously...go find a REAL home group. At least you didn't ban me from commenting on your page like those idiotic Brit's did...nooooo you came looking for me asking...nooo begging me to comment...well here ya go buddy. Go watch "I get it" from Chevelle loser..
arizonabay07 1 year ago
@arizonabay07 dont you have a meeting to go too , you contacted me , yes i used a song from a very good band , i play in band and can play any song out there . i dont know where your going with this but please leave the good people in britis out of it , lol you need to get away from AA your a mess , theres alot of life out there , try something besides TV , you seem to be full of rage and hate , i would never block any one , you make your self look bad with your senseless immature coments ..
rexxed33 1 year ago
@rexxed33 i hate band groupies who are upset their music isn't commercial. i hate ppl who spend five minutes in AA judging the place because they talk about God (of YOUR own understanding) not religion and spend days editing crap videos from bands they wished they had the talent to be in just because they didn't have the nerve to actually read the damn book.
arizonabay07 1 year ago
@arizonabay07 you hate alot , and your grasping at straws , judge someone else please this is getting old , i wish you all the best and hope you get the help you need , please if you dont want to get real help , its your life , AA is very weak at best , look around , open your eyes , real help is there when you had enough of AA , i am sorry to see AA has you brainwashed so bad , you seem like a good person , your AA and god trip is very boreing , u have to have a look for yourself ,belive in u
rexxed33 1 year ago
@arizonabay07 by the way whats the song about ?
rexxed33 1 year ago
@arizonabay07 "I get it" wow that song sucks bad , your taste in music shows your thought pattern . really do you like that song lol i can tell you dont play any musical instrument . your song is for posers , commercial , boring song zzzzzzzzzzz , i wouldn't use this song for ass wipe , at least you didnt send me a GOD song , what else do you have for me , How was your meeting tonight lots of wining and bitching ? good coffee ? did you hold hands and pray , hugs lol AA sucks as bad as you do
rexxed33 1 year ago
no one is forcing you to join AA but 10 ,000s court oddered cases ,jobs , and others force you to go , your so brainwashed you cant even see what is in front of your eyes..crimes run deep in AA from finical to abuse racketeering tax evaion cover ups and the list goes on..like bottom feeders taken ,lieing , saying anything to hide the fact AA is a cult and dose make billion a year and is worth hundreds of billions , and is involed in hidden accounts off shoe and under false names
rexxed33 2 years ago
lol rexxed must have had a bad experience with AA.
noone is forcing anyone to join AA.
sovietmarxist 2 years ago
@sovietmarxist well i cant say if was fun your right AA sucks bad i hate it dont need it lies lies lies but you go there and tell them how bad i am i would love to talk to your cult leader
rexxed33 1 year ago
I am not bashing i am telling the TRUTH AA cant see the TRUTH At least I came to a point in my life that I was aware and glad that I was alive before I died. There are many people like you in AA that will be never able to see/say that for themselves and are unaware of this beautiful life that is given to us and our connection as (human)beings! To help each other .theres a huge difference between a program that thinks they help and a program that is helping ..look at the truth .
rexxed33 2 years ago
@rexxed33 Maybe if you stayed in AA long enough you would know that one of the core values in AA is helping others
Gngrcpl 1 year ago
As for the American Psychiatric horrors of psychiatry, of punishing and persecuting of the innocent and promoting untested meds.The he DSM IV and the upcoming DSM V only use is ass wipe. psychiatric are hand in had with pharmaceutical companies making 830 billion a year , mark my words the DSM V will say to put people on meds the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry to expose the insidious ways that illness is used, manipulated, and in some instances created, for capital gains
rexxed33 2 years ago
believing you have a incurable brain disease, that is how people are indoctrinated by the AA faith. AMA used to say smokeing was ok in the 60s too ,or how about Vioxx kill more peole then the veitnam war the AMA , and FDA can not be trusted and are dangerous to the safety of the American people. Simply put, FDA and AMA the Center of Drug Evaluation and Research are broken. playing with the safety of our familys health, Profits Before Patient Safety and AA lies go hand in had with it all
rexxed33 2 years ago
You seem to have a vendetta against AA. I have no feelings one way or the other, except to say that you may be leading people away from 12 step programs who might benefit from them. I am familiar with the 12 steps, and I can tell you that your interpretations of the meaning of the steps are completely wrong. Also, AA were not the ones originally to call alcoholism a disease. The AMA was first, I believe in the sixties, to state so.
macandrewes 2 years ago
You state that the WHO does not maintain the position that alcoholism is a disease. From the WHO's 2004 paper "Neuroscience of Psychoactive Substance Use and Dependence" : "...with recent advances in neuroscience, it is clear that substance dependence is a disorder of the brain as any other neurological or psychiatric illness." "Substance dependence is a chronic, relapsing disorder with a biological and genetic basis, and is not simply due to a lack of will or desire to quit."
macandrewes 2 years ago
The DSM IV and the upcoming DSM V recognize alcoholism and addiction as a disease. From Mental Health America's position statement: "Alcoholism and drug abuse and dependence are recognized as primary, progressive, chronic, relapsing and treatable diseases, with clear diagnostic categories in the American Psychiatric Association' Diagnostic and Statistical Manual-Fourth Edition (DSM-IV) and with evidence-based treatment principles and protocols."
macandrewes 2 years ago
You said it the best the ideal of Alcoholism is a Disease is nothing more then a "good idea" for AA to use decptive recruiting for the AA cult , mind manipulation just lie after lie the AA way.. Keep repeating false information outrageous claims , preaching gossip, abusive treatment of newcomers. AA is in
denial and will not take any Responsibility for all the LIES & FALSE CLAIMS, . AA was never designed to "help" anyone , AA wont be around much longer , people will look back and ask why
rexxed33 2 years ago
Nail on the head!
OneDarkFlame1 2 years ago
Frist step is to say your powerless , No one is powerless over alcohol well just the peole in AA are powerless you dont need you take care of me or the billions of other people who have quite without AA . Your Cult believes that everyone in the world has been "defeated by sin", and and is "insane" again just the peole in AA are . The use of god or a higher power has nothing to do with it . Keep going to your AA meetings for the next 25 years AA says there is no cure for your made up Disease
rexxed33 2 years ago
anyone with the wrong motives can twist a good idea. You claim that the steps are a way of avoiding respoibilty. Why is that you make a list of people you have harmed and then make amends to them? Why is it in the basic taxt that it states that recovery is our first responibitly meaning there are many more to take care of. Also believing in God or a higher power has to only do with guidence. It isn't a resource for pushing blame. I wish you would read all the information before make a judgement.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
Cool video. I always felt that it was stupid to call alcoholism a disease. I quit drinking on my own and dont even have a desire to ever drink again.
SocalDNM 2 years ago 5