there is a little book by Hermann Hesse called Siddhartha which you may have read (otherwise i recommend it to you). It says everything that needs to be said about "teachings".
@goliadkine Disillusioned author and book. Read it and seen the movie too.. Don't agree with his idea though. Try being your own surgeon or doctor.. similar parallell.
I wouldn't say disillusioned although in itself it is sometimes better to be disillusioned than to live under the empire of illusions.
note that we go looking for a doctor when we are sick. but sickness is not our default condition.
also, there are people who claim to be doctors but are mere charlatans, charlatans who will find special interest in persuading others that they are sick in order to sell them their medicine.
@goliadkine Yes, it is the redemption scene and yet so many dont see it. He never said even a word about his faith and yet he was so full of the LORD.
@goliadkine Is that supposed to be comment? I have read all but 2-3 Lem's books and have never figured out any trace of "Christian symbolism". Lem was neither Juidaistic, nor Christian believer. Thus he wasn't adherent of such symbols. Although the book is ambigous, your comment misleads about the book.
i think you misunderstood (or my answer was obscure). i was expressing a reasonable doubt as to this scene being part of the book given how much it is "saturated with christian symbolism" (precisely) and taking into consideration Lem's own background on the other hand. so we actually agree :). I suspect Tarkvosky took some freedom in adapting the book. Now of course "the wind bloweth where it listeth"...
Awesome; he got his zerkalo. (I wonder if his Utopian subconscious 'eliminated' the KGB agents who would have been shadowing any cosmonaut on his return)
I wonder what would have happened had they beamed the Kevin Costner movie "Waterworld" to Solaris below?! It would have either replicated the water-world, or became a huge critic???!!!!
The Soderbergh remake is quite moving as well, but in a much more "intimate" sense, and not nearly as profound or cosmic. Tarkovsky gives this scene unbelievable gravitas. The whole thing is awe-inspring, especially if seen in its full context. Truly masterful filmmaking.
Don't forget, the Kelvin at the end is also a simulacrum --- he's wearing the same clothes from the beginning of the film, which makes it most likely that Solaris is using the cosmonaut's memories...
I think it is the opposite, the implication in this film's whole premise may be that the cosmonaut was on Solaris all along (ie, his "reality back home" never existed to begin with).
I believe the ending scene is Solaris using Kelvin's brainwaves that were transmitted to the planet, to make it "understand". I believe the sentient planet understood enough that it stopped sending those copies of people to the space-station and instead created a scenario world on the planet itself...Having gotten enough information from Kelvin's mind, it created that island to study...
loving a philosophical canon, people reread the most profound and thought-attractive pages for their own over and over through their lives. This and the library scene are the pages for me. They do not spoil at all but give me a fresh impression everytime I see. Some critic called the film '2001 an inner space odyssay'. It goes far beyond a sci-fi story. Thank You!
Maybe the most amazing ending ever, my heart jumped out when I first saw it. My only worry is people will see it here without seeing the film. Great though - Thank you.
You're right in some sense. This is mostly intended for people who've already seen the film. I am not sure whether I should add the "spoiler" mention though. Can the catharsis experience be ruined by seeing the ending first?
Tarkovsky's decision to use this piece throughout the film is pure genius. Who would've thunk one piece of classical music could be utter perfection for a science-fiction film (although this move can hardly be classified as conventional sci-fi).... The zero-gravity scene in the library where Kris and Hari are floating together...beautiful
Gave us a good teaching just like Christ once did
Heavypsychoverdose 1 day ago
@Heavypsychoverdose
there is a little book by Hermann Hesse called Siddhartha which you may have read (otherwise i recommend it to you). It says everything that needs to be said about "teachings".
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@goliadkine Disillusioned author and book. Read it and seen the movie too.. Don't agree with his idea though. Try being your own surgeon or doctor.. similar parallell.
Heavypsychoverdose 10 hours ago
@Heavypsychoverdose
I wouldn't say disillusioned although in itself it is sometimes better to be disillusioned than to live under the empire of illusions.
note that we go looking for a doctor when we are sick. but sickness is not our default condition.
also, there are people who claim to be doctors but are mere charlatans, charlatans who will find special interest in persuading others that they are sick in order to sell them their medicine.
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He submited to his sleep, to use Gurdjieff terminology
Heavypsychoverdose 2 days ago
@Heavypsychoverdose
i strongly disagree.
the entire film deals with the "awakening"/regeneration of the main character.
the last scene could be entitled "return of the prodigal son"
strong christian (and "dostoevskian") undertones as i wrote earlier.
the reuniting of the Son and the Father.
goliadkine 2 days ago
@goliadkine Don't know about Christian ideas but the Gurdjieffian are more clear. But I respect your view
Heavypsychoverdose 2 days ago
@Heavypsychoverdose
In the case of Christ, it is not about ideas or teachings.
Christ gave His life. What did Gurdjieff _ do _?
goliadkine 2 days ago
Absolutely amazing scene.
MyHairIsAbnormal 6 days ago
This scene is not in the book, is it? So the ocean has created Kelvins home including his father and that is where he is going to dwell henceforth.
klabauterkauz 2 years ago
I haven't read the book by Lem so I couldn't tell.
But I wouldn't be surprised as Lem was of jewish background and this scene is saturated with christian symbolism.
goliadkine 2 years ago
@goliadkine Yes, it is the redemption scene and yet so many dont see it. He never said even a word about his faith and yet he was so full of the LORD.
aliostad 7 months ago
@goliadkine Is that supposed to be comment? I have read all but 2-3 Lem's books and have never figured out any trace of "Christian symbolism". Lem was neither Juidaistic, nor Christian believer. Thus he wasn't adherent of such symbols. Although the book is ambigous, your comment misleads about the book.
TheMaciejgo 7 months ago 2
@Maciej
i think you misunderstood (or my answer was obscure). i was expressing a reasonable doubt as to this scene being part of the book given how much it is "saturated with christian symbolism" (precisely) and taking into consideration Lem's own background on the other hand. so we actually agree :). I suspect Tarkvosky took some freedom in adapting the book. Now of course "the wind bloweth where it listeth"...
goliadkine 7 months ago
@goliadkine True. By the way, the end of in Lem's book brings hope, while the one in the movie is pessimistic.
TheMaciejgo 7 months ago
@klabauterkauz No it's not in the book. I have read it.
zagyex 1 month ago
Awesome; he got his zerkalo. (I wonder if his Utopian subconscious 'eliminated' the KGB agents who would have been shadowing any cosmonaut on his return)
marcusbondi 2 years ago
is it just me, or does the final shot of the film slightly resemble the very first shot of the film?
johncarpenter1980 2 years ago
Brilliant Film!!! ...though perhaps the most complicated film to have ever been created!!!!
Henrymph 3 years ago 2
I wonder what would have happened had they beamed the Kevin Costner movie "Waterworld" to Solaris below?! It would have either replicated the water-world, or became a huge critic???!!!!
taclas1 3 years ago
it probably would have imploded from the horror of it all
juankenon 3 years ago
That island in the end, perhaps that is what it will be like when global warming will melt all the icecaps and icebergs???!!!!
taclas1 4 years ago
I've seen the whole movie, but I still don't get the ending. What happened?
moviemaniac14 4 years ago
Can you hazard a guess about the ending???!!!
taclas1 4 years ago
I'm clueless.
moviemaniac14 4 years ago
..but you're a "movie maniac" and should know all this stuff???!!!
taclas1 4 years ago
I'm a "movie maniac" not a "movie god"
moviemaniac14 4 years ago
Solaris kept the cosmonaut as a guest in a perfect simulacrum of his reality back home. It's a gorgeous scene, with much profundity.
lamanogaucha 4 years ago 5
The Soderbergh remake is quite moving as well, but in a much more "intimate" sense, and not nearly as profound or cosmic. Tarkovsky gives this scene unbelievable gravitas. The whole thing is awe-inspring, especially if seen in its full context. Truly masterful filmmaking.
lamanogaucha 4 years ago
Don't forget, the Kelvin at the end is also a simulacrum --- he's wearing the same clothes from the beginning of the film, which makes it most likely that Solaris is using the cosmonaut's memories...
taclas1 3 years ago 2
I think it is the opposite, the implication in this film's whole premise may be that the cosmonaut was on Solaris all along (ie, his "reality back home" never existed to begin with).
DChatc 3 years ago
@DChatc I dont think so. He started outside and at the end, joined the ocean. The final scene is the redemption scene.
aliostad 7 months ago
I believe the ending scene is Solaris using Kelvin's brainwaves that were transmitted to the planet, to make it "understand". I believe the sentient planet understood enough that it stopped sending those copies of people to the space-station and instead created a scenario world on the planet itself...Having gotten enough information from Kelvin's mind, it created that island to study...
taclas1 3 years ago
This is interesting assessment.
DChatc 3 years ago
"Being There"
mortysand 4 years ago
GREAT
BachLoveNat 4 years ago 2
Perfect ending for a perfect movie.
ThomasRedfield 4 years ago 7
loving a philosophical canon, people reread the most profound and thought-attractive pages for their own over and over through their lives. This and the library scene are the pages for me. They do not spoil at all but give me a fresh impression everytime I see. Some critic called the film '2001 an inner space odyssay'. It goes far beyond a sci-fi story. Thank You!
lavodai67 4 years ago 2
Maybe the most amazing ending ever, my heart jumped out when I first saw it. My only worry is people will see it here without seeing the film. Great though - Thank you.
rebtanner1 4 years ago
You're right in some sense. This is mostly intended for people who've already seen the film. I am not sure whether I should add the "spoiler" mention though. Can the catharsis experience be ruined by seeing the ending first?
goliadkine 4 years ago
Brilliant thinking. Maybe just say exactly that - "For those who know & love this. Not a good idea to watch without seeing the whole."
No way would I adore the movie the way I do if he'd actually, you know...(can't say, obviously people will see this comment!)
rebtanner1 4 years ago
Great piece of music. What did it calls? Some may call Tarkovsky shizophrenic... But I call him a genious.
TheBriize 4 years ago
The music is Bach's BWV639 choral prelude "Ich ruf' zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ".
goliadkine 4 years ago
Tarkovsky's decision to use this piece throughout the film is pure genius. Who would've thunk one piece of classical music could be utter perfection for a science-fiction film (although this move can hardly be classified as conventional sci-fi).... The zero-gravity scene in the library where Kris and Hari are floating together...beautiful
Blacksun1942 4 years ago 3