Great video man, I'm also looking forward to the Singularity. I'm studying artificial intelligence at university currently, so hopefully I'll end up working with this kind of technology somewhere along the line.
since "machine like thought" makes it sound like uncreative and inhuman.
No, instead the idea is that if you learn how to improve your brain, you can better figure out how to further improve the brain, which will help you figure out how to better improve the brain.......
It's a cycle commonly referred to as the "singularity".
It's the point when, like the information age increased the speed of human development, humanity itself will be accelerated towards some unknown future.
@TheReasonWhyGuy Yeah I get the conditioning of the cycle and what not, but it seems like it would cause a domesticated purpose to the human mind, to better itself at all cost even if it means to cut out the imperfections. Basicaly what im getting from you is being a human is a conditon and in order to break barriers we have to resort making ourselves one with the gadgets that go out of date so quickly. Now please sir lets not reduce ourselves to condescension as it has not taken place yet.
The "domesticated purpose" of the human mind brings with it a ton of evolutionary baggage which creates many issues in society.
"ourselves one with"
I find this wording problematic, and on top of that, the idea that "gadgets" alone would be the only route is fairly short sighted. We are talking in part about how understanding the human mind will allow us to better manipulate its structure.
This power has many moral issues tied in with it.
@TheReasonWhyGuy sorry, I get my words all clustered sometimes. just one of those those things that reminds me that Im human. the only real issue I have seen is its potential of making things worse. for example at one time we didnt have cell phones, now that we do there are much more errors like people getting distracted on the road, paying more attention to them than their families. it just seems dehumanizing to me. not only is it severing us from what makes us huamn but also at one point---
@TheReasonWhyGuy life itself. what if the feeling is no longer the way it was, just some empty signal sent to indicate pain happyness, that is essentialy what it is now but what if it is nothing like its former quality. also I dont believe the human spirit ,or ghost if you will, can be put in a shell. I already see people walking around like they have no soul, maybe they would be perfect candidates Idk. Convincing people that theyre machines will make them expendable just like machines.
@TheReasonWhyGuy I sympathize with the unfortunate need to say "word abuse" in your title in spite of the fact that those that would try and quip with you know little of the often loose to contradictory diverse use of words in question. That said, the video was clever, I enjoyed it,but you know that it stretches the limit of the average persons ability to focus. Not to discourage, just pointing out that outside of the general trans human notions described, your depth of meaning is lost on them.
If you aim your net too wide, you won't catch any fish, you must be willing to risk missing fish, in order to ensure that you catch enough for diner :)
More to the point, honestly, this was originally a (poem like) entry in a notebook of mine, which I later decided would make a "good" video.
@TheReasonWhyGuy Sounds like a great notebook :), I wish there were more people like you in this world, those who can tell the difference and see integration between form and effect. Our universe is so awesome, and all too often people fall prey to their own ignorance as an excuse to create a world view equally as limited, and vainly claim such imaginings as creative or inspired. "Poem like" Indeed an interesting use of rhetoric and logic, I feel "correctly" persuaded, subbed.
@TheReasonWhyGuy there is no prequel to ghost in the shell. thats why I made the comment. this is like the prequel in content and also because the animation appears to predate it (even tho we know it doesn't. it has that old fashoned look about it)
@TheReasonWhyGuy go watch it dude. don't wanna give it away, but its basicly sci-fi based on this kind of thing.
Cyborgs with human brains. humans with computer implants. the dialog goes deep into the psycology of what defines humanity. what is a soul? Is self awareness the same thing as conciousness, if so then could a computer have a soul..? a Ghost in the Machine...
The machine will JAM or have to take breaks, becuase it cant do everything at once ya fuckin idiot, so this is a hoax, now..if im smart enough to figure out your perpetual machine wont work, doesnt that mean its UNNESSESARY. Youd end up with people at different levels of consciousness and the whole thing would be incompatible, (while ppl work others get too smart),, and this is 2000 years from now, civilizations average only 300 years, and this ones at its last legs, damn idiot
And I dream of a day when the Luddites take over. As a victim of "organized stalking and electronic harassment" I can tell you that having one's brain connected to a machine is not a "dream," it's a "nightmare."
This technology, I can imagine a lot of good applications, it could help a lot of people. the blind would finally be able to see, the paralyzed would be able to move again, Ect.. but like most advances, people would react with ignorance and irrational fear - hence would try to slow down or even stop the development of something like this.
@emancoy In which case the memetic model of the technomage comes into play. A transhumanist model in which the theme is inward toward the individual as opposed to outward towards society at large. Let those who cling to ignorance remain ignorant, while those individuals willing to make progress are capable of doing so within the context of their abilities and share that knowledge openly with any who choose to build upon it. Progress of society at large always starts with the individual.
@TheReasonWhyGuy ... Paranoid perhaps, but stupid, no. Such fiction, paranoid or not, is quite valid as an argument against a cascade of AI researching and developing AI without human guidance/oversight. Whether you agree with it or not, it's naive to think that military AI is not going to become an intrinsic part of such sophisticated AI development, and the bedrock of funding arrangements. In any case, you've painted an interesting picture as to what's next for "H0m0 Sap1ens?" :-)
@dazzaswar ... Haha, as a curious side note, YouTube won't let you post comments which include the word "omoh" backwards. That's gotta hurt the anthropological channels...
@TheReasonWhyGuy ... True. Must've been a system glitch though, because the settings were fine. I tried posting with Homo, and it didn't work. So I posted without Homo and it posted straight away... Drew my conslusions thenceforth... Oh well, now that I know I can, I'll just float over to a Justin Beiber video and abuse the privilege... Cheers :-)
@TheReasonWhyGuy Yes, for the aforementioned reasons why, which is the reason why the reason is what it is. Because our reason is machine reason because we're machines with reasons that they have which we give them to have the reason why we have them.
@TheReasonWhyGuy Well, it's just true. I can't wait to know what consciousness exactly is because I know when that day comes it can be improved for all mankind.
Sadly, I suspect consciousness is simpler than we might think, and our own ego and sense of self importance might be stopping us from realizing this :)
@TheReasonWhyGuy I agree that egos get in the way. We aren't anything more special than my cat. But we still can't get to wire a consciousness, what we'd actually define it to create it, to determine sentience because we're still trying to figure out exactly what that is or how our brain does it. AI science is making incredible progress. There's these bots that actually learn now. Fascinating. Look up Liane Young and 'morality.' Recently manipulated it in the brain with a special magnet. i<3sci
Hell, I probably could have summarized it in a sentence or two, but how many more objections would have come out of it then?
As for the "complicated" bullshit, I abused 2 words, which makes it sound more complex than it really is. HOWEVER, the purpose of that word abuse was, to emphasize the parallel between brains and machines.
actually this is a very common subject amongst philosophers these days, it is very likely that this kind of work can be done if humanity steps into the next golden age.. currently wealthy people only pay a select few of a certain class to operate on such things as the blue brain project, etc.
@LJonesy2 Yeah, that's probably due to the word abuse :)
I know that while I was making this, I thought (man, people will probably just hear "brain machine brain machine machine brain brain machine brain machine") But I'm glad you guys could follow it :D
No, the matrix was about ai, and how humanity's abuse of them, and war like nature, resulted in their own enslavement. This is about self improvement.
@TheReasonWhyGuy I loved it - just wished it was longer. It a subject I can really sink into. Makes me go to my Kurzweil playlist. watch?v=fKvyXBPXSbk
Yup. But we were born too soon. It's sad to think that people who cling to religion for the lure of eternal life may have collectively stolen it from this generation. Perhaps even for all humanity.
@shockferret They can't steal it from you, not if you really want it. Look into getting a cryonics policy. Molecular nanotechnology, which will revolutionize the human species, will also make re-animation from cryonic suspension a reality.
Believe it or not, there are even two institutes that I know of dedicated to ideas around this concept; singinst, imminst
I read the book 'Singularity' by Ray Kurzweil. It actually satisfied some of the logical questions that arise from those issues. He's talking about things like nanobots running in your bloodstream, universe becoming conscious in the distant future and so on. Braingasmic..!
@TheReasonWhyGuy Not quite correct. If you think about it, people always experience this kind of conscious discontinuity; when one sleeps, faints, get paralized, goes into coma, put to anesthesia.
(if only more religious people thought that way : /)
Then again, I live in the bible belt, so the only religious people I usually see, are the brain dead kind, which leaves me biased against. Thanks for reviving my hope for theists :D
@TheReasonWhyGuy I live in the northern bible belt. ^_^ I've sincerely not met many people who deny science as much as I hear all my atheist friends on youtube say they've met.
Here's a systematic approach to transcend your organic body. Now I guess you all play xbox or playstation. Right? Imagine, you do this in a simulated environment which is not fiction but an updated copy of real world. You upload yourself to this environment in 3 stages:
- you use the environment to stimulate your brain (like today's computer games),
- machine runs part of your brains functions in close collaboration with your brain (symbiotic life)
For those who don't agree with this idea, here's a question for you to ask yourselves. If technology to upload whole brain and memory to a machine is invented very soon, and if you were given a chance to upload your consciousness just before you die, would you do it or not? Let me guess, you'd at least give it a try ha? :) What if they say, that machine copy will live with you together like a siamese twin attached to you and you'll never feel your organic body dieing. What would you say?
@TheReasonWhyGuy Well, if you look back to your childhood, would you say 'that's me?' No! That's not you. It's just a copy. It's such a copy that, from that version to you there was no distinguishable, discrete jump to your current version of 'you'. So, a future machine copy of your consciousness would be just as indistinguishable as getting older. If you remove sudden point in time that's alled death, and make it a smooth continuation in this or that medium, you're literally immortal.
@TheReasonWhyGuy I suppose my rhetorical answer would be who decides what is "important" info. I think the Star Trek concept is that the Borg idea started out benign. like what your proposing. the change was when the "important" ideas would become the only ideas by virtue of their "importance." then comes a lack of originality for "unimportant" minority ideas necessitating assimilation of new ideas to distinguish their "important" ones.
if you gradually replace parts of your body, you get used to the new parts in time. This could happen with brain too. You could replace your brain piece by piece, allowing brain to adapt at each step. In fact, you could even extend your memory rather than replacing, and all you'd feel would be that, you're suddenly have better memory! And then you slowly remove organic parts without even realizing that they're gone. This process could eventually be continued until there's no organic brain.
If you think about it, even our bodies aren't even made of the same atoms as time flows. If you smoothly transition to a machine gradually adapting to it, you'll never realize that your organic body died. Because there will be no point in time that you can recognize such an event. Some day in the future, this could be as traumatic as pulling a tooth. Actually even better than that, because tooth prosthesis are dumb, and machines could be smart.
@TheReasonWhyGuy well hybrots are effectively the opposite of cybernetics. Its a machine with organic parts as opposed to organisms with mechanical parts ^_^ like the ratbrain robot and the mice neurons that can fly a jet.
When my brain is complete it will be a hybrot system.
Great video man, I'm also looking forward to the Singularity. I'm studying artificial intelligence at university currently, so hopefully I'll end up working with this kind of technology somewhere along the line.
onesevenfiveone 1 month ago
so... it reduces us to machine like thought?
truth2350 3 months ago
@truth2350 no...
since "machine like thought" makes it sound like uncreative and inhuman.
No, instead the idea is that if you learn how to improve your brain, you can better figure out how to further improve the brain, which will help you figure out how to better improve the brain.......
It's a cycle commonly referred to as the "singularity".
It's the point when, like the information age increased the speed of human development, humanity itself will be accelerated towards some unknown future.
TheReasonWhyGuy 3 months ago 3
@TheReasonWhyGuy Yeah I get the conditioning of the cycle and what not, but it seems like it would cause a domesticated purpose to the human mind, to better itself at all cost even if it means to cut out the imperfections. Basicaly what im getting from you is being a human is a conditon and in order to break barriers we have to resort making ourselves one with the gadgets that go out of date so quickly. Now please sir lets not reduce ourselves to condescension as it has not taken place yet.
truth2350 3 months ago
@truth2350 "domesticated purpose"
The "domesticated purpose" of the human mind brings with it a ton of evolutionary baggage which creates many issues in society.
"ourselves one with"
I find this wording problematic, and on top of that, the idea that "gadgets" alone would be the only route is fairly short sighted. We are talking in part about how understanding the human mind will allow us to better manipulate its structure.
This power has many moral issues tied in with it.
TheReasonWhyGuy 3 months ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy sorry, I get my words all clustered sometimes. just one of those those things that reminds me that Im human. the only real issue I have seen is its potential of making things worse. for example at one time we didnt have cell phones, now that we do there are much more errors like people getting distracted on the road, paying more attention to them than their families. it just seems dehumanizing to me. not only is it severing us from what makes us huamn but also at one point---
truth2350 3 months ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy life itself. what if the feeling is no longer the way it was, just some empty signal sent to indicate pain happyness, that is essentialy what it is now but what if it is nothing like its former quality. also I dont believe the human spirit ,or ghost if you will, can be put in a shell. I already see people walking around like they have no soul, maybe they would be perfect candidates Idk. Convincing people that theyre machines will make them expendable just like machines.
truth2350 3 months ago
@truth2350 "just some empty signal sent to indicate pain happyness"
So you think the mind isn't within the brain?
Since if the mind is within the brain, then pain and happyness ARE merely complex signals.
TheReasonWhyGuy 3 months ago 2
State of the fucking art Alex!!!!
McmullenEJ 3 months ago
@McmullenEJ Alex???
TheReasonWhyGuy 3 months ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy
its from the movie
Nemesis (1992)
cyborg says it after being hit with countless ammo.. lol
McmullenEJ 3 months ago
@McmullenEJ hahaha
TheReasonWhyGuy 3 months ago
:D
I just want to hack my brain and remove and add some stuff, is that so much to ask?
Blacklemon67a 3 months ago
i dream of the day when this art splices into reality.
and every body sighs in relief.
cuz we finally beat super nintendo (future yay)
McmullenEJ 4 months ago
My brain hurts
Tony2438 6 months ago
@Tony2438 it's just using the word "brain" to mean "think, or conceive"
The word machine is already commonly used both as a verb and noun.
"The machine machined the machine", basically means the machine created the machine.
Just as "The brain brained a brain", basically means the brain invented a brain.
TheReasonWhyGuy 6 months ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy I sympathize with the unfortunate need to say "word abuse" in your title in spite of the fact that those that would try and quip with you know little of the often loose to contradictory diverse use of words in question. That said, the video was clever, I enjoyed it,but you know that it stretches the limit of the average persons ability to focus. Not to discourage, just pointing out that outside of the general trans human notions described, your depth of meaning is lost on them.
tessellation 4 months ago
@tessellation I agree :)
If you aim your net too wide, you won't catch any fish, you must be willing to risk missing fish, in order to ensure that you catch enough for diner :)
More to the point, honestly, this was originally a (poem like) entry in a notebook of mine, which I later decided would make a "good" video.
TheReasonWhyGuy 4 months ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Sounds like a great notebook :), I wish there were more people like you in this world, those who can tell the difference and see integration between form and effect. Our universe is so awesome, and all too often people fall prey to their own ignorance as an excuse to create a world view equally as limited, and vainly claim such imaginings as creative or inspired. "Poem like" Indeed an interesting use of rhetoric and logic, I feel "correctly" persuaded, subbed.
tessellation 4 months ago
@tessellation Thanks for the kind words :)
TheReasonWhyGuy 4 months ago
I was just looking for it. its been years, its actually called GHOST IN THE SHELL.
1995 Animated movie. its on TBP if your a torrent hound like me.
Yogsoggeth 7 months ago
@Yogsoggeth what is the movies prequel word for word?
TheReasonWhyGuy 7 months ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy there is no prequel to ghost in the shell. thats why I made the comment. this is like the prequel in content and also because the animation appears to predate it (even tho we know it doesn't. it has that old fashoned look about it)
Yogsoggeth 7 months ago
@Yogsoggeth OH, sorry :)
I thought you were implying that I copied something XD
TheReasonWhyGuy 7 months ago
@Yogsoggeth What is TBP?
TopShelfization 7 months ago
@TopShelfization its a TYPO! lol
it should be TPB
ThePirateBay
its a website I use to aquire the things I want.
Yogsoggeth 7 months ago
@Yogsoggeth I thought thats what you ment, i was just checking that there wasn't something i haven't heard of
TopShelfization 7 months ago
this is the prequel to the movie Ghost in the Machine.
Yogsoggeth 7 months ago
@Yogsoggeth omg, if it really was, I would FREAK OUT!
Seriously, I've never seen that movie!
TheReasonWhyGuy 7 months ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy go watch it dude. don't wanna give it away, but its basicly sci-fi based on this kind of thing.
Cyborgs with human brains. humans with computer implants. the dialog goes deep into the psycology of what defines humanity. what is a soul? Is self awareness the same thing as conciousness, if so then could a computer have a soul..? a Ghost in the Machine...
Yogsoggeth 7 months ago
Lol :P
epicrandom7 7 months ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy dude you are one funny individual lol. I must admit
albinomoose92 11 months ago
brain fart
albinomoose92 11 months ago
@albinomoose92 Machine beans
TheReasonWhyGuy 11 months ago
i actually understood this.....
use your brain to make machines then make machines smart enought to have there own brain, make more machines with a bain and download your brain
xTheDeathSaintx 11 months ago
@xTheDeathSaintx
Actually, the idea is that eventually, we'll be able to improve out brains, with machined parts.
This means that we'll have an easier time working out how to further improve our brains.
As this cycle continues, it speeds up... it's basically a feedback loop...
TheReasonWhyGuy 11 months ago
Yes, but can brains ever hope to brain inside hammers???
MrToby318 1 year ago
@MrToby318 lol...
however in case you are somehow serious, the hammer is simply a symbol for machining something, or simply design.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@MrToby318 I don't mean to sound like a smart-ass, but yes, because I can fit a human(brain included) inside of a giant hammer. Question solved.
Neuromonger 1 year ago
ALL HAIL THE BRAIN MACHINE!!
ReaperAHHH 1 year ago
what?
thereck24 1 year ago
@thereck24 This is also why it's a bad idea to use nouns as verbs in English... the language can't handle it.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
That... Was... Beautiful...
OrangeTang666 1 year ago
Brain hurts bro, I think I need to update drivers.
SuperBrobot 1 year ago
i like the bit when you said "brains". Also the bit when you said "machines". That bit was cool.
Srsly though transhumanism = win
Corinthian404 1 year ago
Ass Hole, Get out of my head.
aaagghhhhh
billygundum 1 year ago
@billygundum Um, ok?
Thanks for calling me an asshole.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy
Actually he called you an "Ass Hole"
newfydude994 1 year ago
@newfydude994 So I'm a toilet?
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
loved it!
w00per 1 year ago
wut?
mtdeezy 1 year ago
@mtdeezy wut?
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy yes.
mtdeezy 1 year ago
@mtdeezy What isn't a question, what is part of a sentence, not the whole :P
Anyway, ask the question, don't ask for the answer to every possible question possible for this video.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
you lost me at Brain...could you please repeat the rest....XP
whydid666 1 year ago 2
Hey reason why guy, yo mama is a monkey.....
RIGHTACTOR 1 year ago
@RIGHTACTOR Oh NOES... WAT WILL EYE DUUUUUU!?!?!??! D:
lolololol.... STFU FAGOT!!!
Go suck your moms giant gay fagoty homo cock! XD
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
I don't think you said brain enough.
MrLEEMS 1 year ago
@MrLEEMS DAMNIT... and let me guess... I said machine too much... right!?
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy you guessed it ;D
MrLEEMS 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy
yup
o0gman0o 1 year ago
yay
nikomof 1 year ago
The machine will JAM or have to take breaks, becuase it cant do everything at once ya fuckin idiot, so this is a hoax, now..if im smart enough to figure out your perpetual machine wont work, doesnt that mean its UNNESSESARY. Youd end up with people at different levels of consciousness and the whole thing would be incompatible, (while ppl work others get too smart),, and this is 2000 years from now, civilizations average only 300 years, and this ones at its last legs, damn idiot
AsceticVoidTraveller 1 year ago
And I dream of a day when the Luddites take over. As a victim of "organized stalking and electronic harassment" I can tell you that having one's brain connected to a machine is not a "dream," it's a "nightmare."
Roselime1 1 year ago
oh and the best part if this technology is perfected, we could become immortal
emancoy 1 year ago
This technology, I can imagine a lot of good applications, it could help a lot of people. the blind would finally be able to see, the paralyzed would be able to move again, Ect.. but like most advances, people would react with ignorance and irrational fear - hence would try to slow down or even stop the development of something like this.
emancoy 1 year ago 2
@emancoy In which case the memetic model of the technomage comes into play. A transhumanist model in which the theme is inward toward the individual as opposed to outward towards society at large. Let those who cling to ignorance remain ignorant, while those individuals willing to make progress are capable of doing so within the context of their abilities and share that knowledge openly with any who choose to build upon it. Progress of society at large always starts with the individual.
TechnomancerMorhion 1 year ago
SkyNet anyone?
dazzaswar 1 year ago
@dazzaswar "SkyNet anyone?"
Paranoid fiction driven stupidity anyone?
The only aspect of that which is valid, is the argument against military ai... that's it...
I agree on that level alone, but for the same reason I would be opposed to biologically modifying people to be more aggressive.
Ai are as capable of good and evil, as we are, it's all a matter of how/why the ai is made, when it is.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy ... Paranoid perhaps, but stupid, no. Such fiction, paranoid or not, is quite valid as an argument against a cascade of AI researching and developing AI without human guidance/oversight. Whether you agree with it or not, it's naive to think that military AI is not going to become an intrinsic part of such sophisticated AI development, and the bedrock of funding arrangements. In any case, you've painted an interesting picture as to what's next for "H0m0 Sap1ens?" :-)
dazzaswar 1 year ago
@dazzaswar ... Haha, as a curious side note, YouTube won't let you post comments which include the word "omoh" backwards. That's gotta hurt the anthropological channels...
dazzaswar 1 year ago
@dazzaswar Homo
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy ... Homo... Dammit!
dazzaswar 1 year ago
@dazzaswar lol... so what were you saying about youtube :P
The only times the censor words, are if the user had that on their settings, assuming they still have those preferences.... :|
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy ... True. Must've been a system glitch though, because the settings were fine. I tried posting with Homo, and it didn't work. So I posted without Homo and it posted straight away... Drew my conslusions thenceforth... Oh well, now that I know I can, I'll just float over to a Justin Beiber video and abuse the privilege... Cheers :-)
dazzaswar 1 year ago
@kookyinc :D
Join the club... but sadly, most have a paranoid fear of it :|
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
Woot for transhumanism =]
igytsiycm 1 year ago
@igytsiycm The world needs more transhumanists :D
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Yes, for the aforementioned reasons why, which is the reason why the reason is what it is. Because our reason is machine reason because we're machines with reasons that they have which we give them to have the reason why we have them.
igytsiycm 1 year ago
@igytsiycm lol...
I deserved that XD
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Well, it's just true. I can't wait to know what consciousness exactly is because I know when that day comes it can be improved for all mankind.
igytsiycm 1 year ago
@igytsiycm I couldn't agree more :)
Sadly, I suspect consciousness is simpler than we might think, and our own ego and sense of self importance might be stopping us from realizing this :)
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy I agree that egos get in the way. We aren't anything more special than my cat. But we still can't get to wire a consciousness, what we'd actually define it to create it, to determine sentience because we're still trying to figure out exactly what that is or how our brain does it. AI science is making incredible progress. There's these bots that actually learn now. Fascinating. Look up Liane Young and 'morality.' Recently manipulated it in the brain with a special magnet. i<3sci
igytsiycm 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy There's just so many frontiers science is hitting that make this an incredible time to be alive.
igytsiycm 1 year ago
Is there any chance of realizing this improvement *without* having to be brained?
;-)
TheHatefulDead 1 year ago
@TheHatefulDead lol... well to be brained, is to be thought about, just like to be machined, is to be worked on. :)
Honestly, I'm a fan of transhumanism on many levels, and if you care to ask about it, I might have an answer :)
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
Cue "Brain-splosion"
CaptChrisT 1 year ago
There's a lot of redundant parts in this. It's actually not that complicated.
sputnikowns 1 year ago
@sputnikowns Well, it's called being thorough.
Hell, I probably could have summarized it in a sentence or two, but how many more objections would have come out of it then?
As for the "complicated" bullshit, I abused 2 words, which makes it sound more complex than it really is. HOWEVER, the purpose of that word abuse was, to emphasize the parallel between brains and machines.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
if humanity doesnt obliterate the planet this is quite a realistic assertion, cheers from san diego
jeremyshambles 1 year ago
@jeremyshambles Thanks, and I agree... the sad part of human nature, arrogant self destruction : /
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
actually this is a very common subject amongst philosophers these days, it is very likely that this kind of work can be done if humanity steps into the next golden age.. currently wealthy people only pay a select few of a certain class to operate on such things as the blue brain project, etc.
dunngar 1 year ago
I actually understood this. wow.
jesthesupercow 1 year ago
I'm virtually there. Uploading... Now. Oooh, Twilight Time.
What's the third derivative of position, the rate of change of acceleration? da/dt = jerk.
julsHz 1 year ago
Does that mean that Charlie Sheen can use his knife to stab his wife?
Pleblian 1 year ago
lol it took me a second watch to understand. but i got it now.
lippertmax 1 year ago
uh-huh.... i need to watch this a few more times lol
LJonesy2 1 year ago
@LJonesy2 If you have any questions, feel free to ask :)
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy I could follow it for a while haha... The rest just needed more concentration to understand
LJonesy2 1 year ago
@LJonesy2 Yeah, that's probably due to the word abuse :)
I know that while I was making this, I thought (man, people will probably just hear "brain machine brain machine machine brain brain machine brain machine") But I'm glad you guys could follow it :D
Take care, and thanks for watching :3
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
i brained your brained machine video representation with my brain quite well, is this a bad thing?
nodvick 1 year ago
@nodvick no, why would it be? XD
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
FUCK THAT! i want my consciousness to end at some point, i dont want an eternal prison sentance.
"existance is suffering and the root of all suffering is desire"
im glad my existance is finite
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 Nothing would stop you from dying :P
One right which I believe all life should have, is the right to not exist.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy good point. i suppose a few extra thousand years of conciousness could be pretty cool if i was able to opt out at will
robertwc82 1 year ago
@robertwc82 Hell, why wouldn't you be able to opt out? You're already able to opt out of medical treatment nowadays...
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
I had to watch this a few times haha, you went soooooo fast
larstheleetone 1 year ago
I hope my brain can be a machine and that my brain machine will be solarpowered. So that I can live for as long as the sun is there.
Patrick1176 1 year ago
@Patrick1176 Well, I would prefer that one day, we gain the tech to have small scale portable fusion :)
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
Wha?
Bear5177 1 year ago
And don't forget that we might still be able to bring back the dead! ^_-
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
Let's see how long the Law of Accelerating Returns holds up...humans just need viable MNT. That alone will lead to so many things.
thoth81 1 year ago
@thoth81 "Let's see how long the Law of Accelerating Returns holds up"
The point it will end, is the point of smallest scale, with optimal structure.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy I'm aware of that. It was merely a rhetorical statement.
thoth81 1 year ago
Hominids. we're so...meddlesome. It's all, somewhat, inevitable; if we survive long enough.
TheOuroborosWyrm 1 year ago
@TheOuroborosWyrm "Hominids. we're so...meddlesome. It's all, somewhat, inevitable; if we survive long enough"
Perhaps, assuming the religious fundies, or paranoid NWO fearing groups don't stop it :)
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
Excuse me while I go have an aneurysm.
Rockoperafan 1 year ago
Wasn't this the plot of The Matrix?
We fuck up real bad. xD
5amGordon 1 year ago
@5amGordon "Wasn't this the plot of The Matrix?"
No, the matrix was about ai, and how humanity's abuse of them, and war like nature, resulted in their own enslavement. This is about self improvement.
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy LOL! I dare anybody to repeat what you said five times really fast! ^__^
gir908922 1 year ago
My brain machine hurts after watching that :p
Arikiel 1 year ago
Human - meet the Singularity.
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
@AncientAtheist what did you think? of the video I mean? :3
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy I loved it - just wished it was longer. It a subject I can really sink into. Makes me go to my Kurzweil playlist. watch?v=fKvyXBPXSbk
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
I am the Borg. You will all be assimilated.
CrownRoyalSociety 1 year ago
Don't forget Positronic Robot brains RWG
brainfoodlunch 1 year ago
I for one welcome our machine brain machined brain overlords.
tkimbler 1 year ago
This is Ghost in the Shell.
LifeinaRaindrop 1 year ago
@LifeinaRaindrop "This is Ghost in the Shell. "
lol, I've never watched that XD
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Now, you simply HAVE to. Do a google search for the series online (the movies will go over your head if you don't know the manga)
It reveals a world, where what you predicted, has already been drawn beautifully into complex and engaging storylines.
LifeinaRaindrop 1 year ago
I love it...
Omhra 1 year ago
Brachines?
maggot432 1 year ago
Cool. I hope that happens relatively fast.
ristinraccoon 1 year ago
oh no!
miglegtr 1 year ago
Now I dont know where I live or what my name is
MoreSciFiThanScience 1 year ago
Check this out:v=VCYrW-G9Y6I
ibenian 1 year ago
Yup. But we were born too soon. It's sad to think that people who cling to religion for the lure of eternal life may have collectively stolen it from this generation. Perhaps even for all humanity.
shockferret 1 year ago
@shockferret They can't steal it from you, not if you really want it. Look into getting a cryonics policy. Molecular nanotechnology, which will revolutionize the human species, will also make re-animation from cryonic suspension a reality.
thoth81 1 year ago
I could use one of those machined brained brain machines right now. But instead, coffee will have to do!
kjlg74 1 year ago
@kjlg74 lol, wow, was it confusing?
I could summarize if it made no sense to you...
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy kinda blew my mind.
anonforuz 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Oh no, I think I understood what you were talking about :) My comment was just continuing the "word abuse" :D
kjlg74 1 year ago
@kjlg74 :)
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
Believe it or not, there are even two institutes that I know of dedicated to ideas around this concept; singinst, imminst
I read the book 'Singularity' by Ray Kurzweil. It actually satisfied some of the logical questions that arise from those issues. He's talking about things like nanobots running in your bloodstream, universe becoming conscious in the distant future and so on. Braingasmic..!
ibenian 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Not quite correct. If you think about it, people always experience this kind of conscious discontinuity; when one sleeps, faints, get paralized, goes into coma, put to anesthesia.
ibenian 1 year ago
@ibenian "conscious discontinuity"
Not to the extent that I was talking about... :P
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Oh, I misstyped it. 'discontinuity'
ibenian 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy You win! What do you win! Awesome sauce? Yes.
abbynormal0ne 1 year ago
@abbynormal0ne lol, no, I win brainy machines XD
Anyway, I'm curious about what your thoughts are on this topic, and if your religion has any influence on it, if any (you're my token theist XD )
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy I figure God gave us this ability to think and innovate. Why not use it?
abbynormal0ne 1 year ago
@abbynormal0ne lol, I couldn't have said it better :D
(if only more religious people thought that way : /)
Then again, I live in the bible belt, so the only religious people I usually see, are the brain dead kind, which leaves me biased against. Thanks for reviving my hope for theists :D
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy I live in the northern bible belt. ^_^ I've sincerely not met many people who deny science as much as I hear all my atheist friends on youtube say they've met.
abbynormal0ne 1 year ago
i'm tired of getting machined by other brains
TheVikingNinja 1 year ago
@TheVikingNinja "i'm tired of getting machined by other brains"
lol ;)
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
Here's a systematic approach to transcend your organic body. Now I guess you all play xbox or playstation. Right? Imagine, you do this in a simulated environment which is not fiction but an updated copy of real world. You upload yourself to this environment in 3 stages:
- you use the environment to stimulate your brain (like today's computer games),
- machine runs part of your brains functions in close collaboration with your brain (symbiotic life)
- you abondon your organic body (very slowly)
ibenian 1 year ago
For those who don't agree with this idea, here's a question for you to ask yourselves. If technology to upload whole brain and memory to a machine is invented very soon, and if you were given a chance to upload your consciousness just before you die, would you do it or not? Let me guess, you'd at least give it a try ha? :) What if they say, that machine copy will live with you together like a siamese twin attached to you and you'll never feel your organic body dieing. What would you say?
ibenian 1 year ago
Sweet, I liked that 8p
MilitantPeaceist 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Well, if you look back to your childhood, would you say 'that's me?' No! That's not you. It's just a copy. It's such a copy that, from that version to you there was no distinguishable, discrete jump to your current version of 'you'. So, a future machine copy of your consciousness would be just as indistinguishable as getting older. If you remove sudden point in time that's alled death, and make it a smooth continuation in this or that medium, you're literally immortal.
ibenian 1 year ago
I had a braingasm :)
tattooskin72 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy they are different sides to the same coin. A cyborg could become a hybrot but a hybrot cannot become a cyborg.
PinkProgram 1 year ago
brain brain machine?Is this a game?...jk
Meiklelodians 1 year ago
I fucking love you. I want you inside me NOW.
JetpackNinjaDinosaur 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy I suppose my rhetorical answer would be who decides what is "important" info. I think the Star Trek concept is that the Borg idea started out benign. like what your proposing. the change was when the "important" ideas would become the only ideas by virtue of their "importance." then comes a lack of originality for "unimportant" minority ideas necessitating assimilation of new ideas to distinguish their "important" ones.
kdurston1 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Get thee to counting!
abbynormal0ne 1 year ago
sounds daengrous! whenever there's hammers and brains together none good can come out if it!
Paxmax 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy Lol, I know. I was only teasing. I understood the video. I'm just tired and failing at funny.......as in....I'm not funny.
abbynormal0ne 1 year ago
if you gradually replace parts of your body, you get used to the new parts in time. This could happen with brain too. You could replace your brain piece by piece, allowing brain to adapt at each step. In fact, you could even extend your memory rather than replacing, and all you'd feel would be that, you're suddenly have better memory! And then you slowly remove organic parts without even realizing that they're gone. This process could eventually be continued until there's no organic brain.
ibenian 1 year ago
If you think about it, even our bodies aren't even made of the same atoms as time flows. If you smoothly transition to a machine gradually adapting to it, you'll never realize that your organic body died. Because there will be no point in time that you can recognize such an event. Some day in the future, this could be as traumatic as pulling a tooth. Actually even better than that, because tooth prosthesis are dumb, and machines could be smart.
ibenian 1 year ago
My brain....broke....
abbynormal0ne 1 year ago
@TheReasonWhyGuy well hybrots are effectively the opposite of cybernetics. Its a machine with organic parts as opposed to organisms with mechanical parts ^_^ like the ratbrain robot and the mice neurons that can fly a jet.
When my brain is complete it will be a hybrot system.
PinkProgram 1 year ago