@weezyfbaby604 Before exposing others doing baatil introspect your own self. You will not go to heaven because all the good things (ibadah) you do according to sunnah (Takabboor) but you get to enter heaven because Allah is Ar-Rahman (because He wants you to).
Remember, Iblis (Devil) has perform his ibadah his entire life (billions of years) BUT for just one small mistake Iblis make (not willing to bow down to prophet Adam A.S he got damned by Allah forever ..
They swirl because it is a way of aligning them with nature / god / themselves, like the earth spins about its own axis, how the earth and planets go around the sun, notice how the left leg remains in place like the axis and only the right leg is used to swirl. It is done to take you into a trance, the spiritual realm, closer to god. Beautiful!
@weezyfbaby604 You were saying that we are all Ahlul- Bidah & NOT Islam, so this means we do Syirk and we are no longer a Muslim (and become kafr), is that what you mean ??
But .. did you know that there are certain procedure before calling Muslims as kafr ? and if you don't have a proper witness @ proves that we are kafr .. you will become kafr yourself ! Becareful there weezyfbaby604, if we are not kafr, all those ibadah that you do you entire life will mean nothing !
@secretmeditation There is no guarantee. However, in order to get to Heaven, one must follow the Quran and Sunnah, dancing about in dresses in not from the Quran and the Sunnah.
“If you really love Allah then follow me, accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Qur’aan and the Sunnah and Allaah will love you and forgive you for your sins”
@weezyfbaby604 Too bad you have not guarantee .. it's like a blind person leading another blind person .. All you know is copy and pasting the hadith .. any christian can do that.
if dancing about in dresses in not from the Quran and the Sunnah << provide me hadeeth that prohibited dancing while reciting dzikr ! Don't talk nonesense !
@weezyfbaby604 They were dancing as an expression of how excited they are during the zikr.
Where were you in prophet Muhammad SAW era ?
or are you just saying this because you heard somebody said it to you and you just agree with them ??
Believing in something that you haven't witness (following others blindly) is called Taklid. You are no better than any blindman! or a bird taught how to repeat its master's words !
@secretmeditation No i wasn't there but we use the Hadiths to give us an understanding of what happened. The dervish dancing that the Sufis do have never been recorded in any Hadiths! Not even weak ones, thus it didn't happen. And to snuggest that the sahabah forgot to say would be mocking them as such small details of Mohammed pbuh life have been recorded. For example, the way he urinated, the way he walked, the way he kissed his wives.
@weezyfbaby604 believing in Hadeeth is not included in 5 pillars of Islam. And hadeeth writers are not ma'sum from doing sins or forget like prophet Muhammad. To be obsessed with hadeeth are bid'ah !
@weezyfbaby604 Salah is not worshipping ritual. There are no worshipping in Islam. There are worshipping in Hindu, Buddha & Christian but NOT Islam.
Salah is a way for human to COMMUNICATE with Allah. You are standing in front of Allah during your salah, praising & glorify Allah, reciting dua' so Allah will help give guidance in your life.Those dervish dancers are communicating with Allah through dzikr beside salah. How often you communicate with Allah other than salah 5 time/day?
@secretmeditation Your arguments weak. For you to claim that just because i wasn't there means that i have no proof is ridiculous. Were you there at the time of the Prophet pbuh?
If not, how do you know how to pray Salah? Was your Ustadh there?
How did he know?
From the Hadiths of course! Don't be so stupid.
And I communicate with Allah in a way which has been prescribed to us. I.e, raising the hands in Dua.
@weezyfbaby604 You are so dumb, if you were not even there how did you know prophet Muhammad prohibited reciting dzikr while dancing ?? You were the one accusing do ask me back without answering my question ..
You think dua is the ONLY way to communicate with Allah, what if Allah removes you hand from your body how would you pray then ?? THINK!!
@secretmeditation Imam Malik could not raise his hands as he was tortured. So what your saying is that Allah will not accept his duas from his. Making Dua is about what yo you say, not the raising of the hands. That is only a Sunnah.
This is what you said >> So what your saying is that Allah will not accept his duas from his. Making Dua is about what yo you say, not the raising of the hands. That is only a Sunnah.
This mean if you are numb enough, you should have agreed with me that there many ways to perform ibadah including reciting dzikr while doing dervish dance !
@weezyfbaby604 Dua is about what yo you say, not the raising of the hands. That is only a Sunnah. << NOW YOU CREATE EXCUSES NOT TO FOLLOW SUNNAH ?? HOW HYPOCRITE IS THAT ??
@secretmeditation And i will not be listening to anything you write from now on as i don't think i will be learning from someone who calls me dumb when trying to have a civilized conversation.
It's people like you who give the Ummah a bad name.
Instead of talking about controversial topics, you're quick to start name calling.
Is this of the Sunnah?
By Allah, No!
So don't you dare talk to me about Islam you hypocrite.
Is it that he didn't know of another way to get closer to Allah? << Prophet Muhammad SAW has his own mission. He don't have to teach human to build aeroplane .. a car .. that's not part of his task!
Which part of your computer build by sahabah ??
Your argument are so LAME and embarrasing me as a Muslim. Just stop what you are doing !
You and people like minded are the biggest threat to Islam because your action contribute to disunity between Muslims!
@weezyfbaby604 TRUTH REALLY HURTS ! >> when you think that you are still a Muslim well in fact after what you did (labelling other Muslim as kafr as you like) .. you are Kafr yourself .. so sad ..
@weezyfbaby604 I don't label other Muslim as NON ISLAMIC or their practice are not from Islam. Maybe your ustadz forgot to teach you manners when communicating with other ??
O those who believe, no men should ever mock at other men, since it is possible that the latter are better than the former, nor (should) women (ever mock) at other women, since it is possible that the latter women are better than the former ones. And do not find fault with one another, nor call one another with bad nicknames. Bad is the name of sinfulness after embracing Faith.* And whoever does not repent, such people are the wrongdoers. [11]
@secretmeditation Unlike many deviant Sufis and people of innovation I do NOT commit Shrik. For the fact that 'worshiping an Imaam' came into your sick head, means that you may have often thought about it. Unlike Sufis, I will NEVER worship other than Allah!
How dare you even say that to me?
Read back your comments and think, "Is Allah proud of what i have said" as i am deeply offended an on The Day Of Judgement, I will NOT be forgiving you for what you have said to me.
@secretmeditation And when i prove to you that i have given you daleel and not made taqleed, you make stupid comments. Shows the little immature baby you really are.
@secretmeditation Are you God to make such a Judgement? You do not know whether i will go to Hell or Heaven and for you to say i will go to Hell means that you're playing the role of God.
Read about the Hadith about the prostitute giving water to a starving dog before commenting without knowledge.
@secretmeditation My evidence is, it has never been mentioned in any Books during the Prophets life During the lives of the Sahabah During the lives of the Tabi‘un and during the lives of the Tabi‘ al-Tabi‘in. They were the best of Mankind If it was not mentioned It did not happen.
I shudnt have to prove your acts wrong. You just have to prove to me, what you do is right. You need to justify your acts. If you can, i will become a Sufi.
@weezyfbaby604 If that is your evidence then my evidence is it has never been mentioned THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD & SAHABAH PROHIBITED RECITING DZIKR WHILE DERVISH DANCING in any Books during the Prophets life During the lives of the Sahabah During the lives of the Tabi‘un and during the lives of the Tabi‘ al-Tabi‘in. They were the best of Mankind If it was not mentioned It did not happen.
@secretmeditation We stick to what we know, if we don't we are literally playing with fire. To suggest that it could have happened but was not recorded is mocking the Sahabahs and all those Imaams who recorded the Hadiths. How can you say that we shouldn't look too much into hadiths when being a Muslim is all about following the Quran and the Sunnah! The Quran has mentioned this several times. Some of which i will post in a different comment box.
@weezyfbaby604 To suggest that prophet Muhammad & sahabah prohibited dzkir while dervish dance WITHOUT A PROOF is an act of mocking prophet Muhammad & sahabah.I suggest you to just worship those Imam ! They were chanting Allah's names & reciting Quran while dancing and that is wrong just because you haven't found any hadeeth allowing ?? YOU ARE SO FUCKING IDIOT !! I am so angry with you if you are standing in front of me I would just smack you in the face! You are dividing Muslim!
@secretmeditation SubhanAllah i don't think that i need to say more. You say that you would smack me in the face if i was in front of you. Do you feel that this is something Allah would approve of? Do you think that swearing at me at threatening me with violence will get you into Heaven?
If not, why do it?
I have never called you a name, nor have i sworn nor would i ever hit you as i am not the judge of your actions, that is for Allah. Obviously by looking at you comment, you seem to differ.
If "Kullu Bid'atin Dhalalah" (Every Innovation is Misguidance) then all innovation including your own "innovation" so called worldly innovation are also bida'h and all Muslims will become as numb ( Joomood ) as you are.
@weezyfbaby604 I am not trying to invite and far from converting you to Sufi because you will only become as ridiculous as you are now ( a bad Wahabis)
@secretmeditation You don't know me but you have labelled me a Wahabi. If you really felt you were on the Haq, you would fore-fill your duty as a Muslim and try to convert me.
If you look into the Hadiths regarding Innovation you will know that He pbuh said that "every newly invented matter into this RELIGION of ours, will be rejected" thus, worldly innovation is allowed.
Why would you mock me after i quoted what the Nabi pbuh said?
Are you denying that he said Every Innovation Is Misguidence?
@weezyfbaby604 All wahabis are the same, I don't have to know your name or seeing your face when you keep calling other Muslim or their practices NOT ISLAMIC and repeating the word bida'ah not and your argument seems more towards your own benefits and denied other then youare freakin' wahabis.
There are no forcing in Islam and it is not your duty or mine to convert others to Islam / Sufism / Wahabism. DON'T DARE TRYING TO BE GOD WHEN YOU YOURSELF ARE NOT A GOOD MUSLIM YOURSELF !
@secretmeditation Kind of ironic that you tell me not to act as if i'm God when i don't think i have. It's ironic that you say that I am not a good Muslim, is that is a Judgement for you to make. Isn't that God's job?
So i am not the one who is taking the role of God, in fact, it is you!
Are you a Sheikh, Imaam or a Scholar or some sort to give such a fatwa that I am not a good Muslim?
They Swirl with God love..On this earth Eveything swirl For Allah.Stars galaxi Atoms.Wrold moon..İf you look all stuff on this earth everything swirl..They Burning with their Love.
this stuff is bullshit. Islam is about worshipping Allah not twirling around in a dress and flowerpot like some homosexual gnome. The prophet and his companions never did this stuff. Look kinda fun tho....
//.ALLAH has perfected the religion and completed his favor upon us.......all innovation is strictly prohibited.//
A very important thing you say, Zippy. Now just a couple of things...
1) Can you show me where the Prophet and his Companions made collections of their sayings? No. The Hadith on which you base your prohibition are themselves an innovation. Where this leaves you - you will have to ask God.
2) I have read many times "no compulsion in religion". Some innovation there!
i seriously doubt that Islam was practiced and spread by the holy prophet(s.a.w) and his companions by whirling away....ALLAH has perfected the religion and completed his favor upon us.......all innovation is strictly prohibited...... just think if whirling for god was accepted...the next genration would see "coked up-head banging-rock n roll" derveshes.
@zipppy9 Please keep these ideologies of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab to yourself. Listen, when Mevlana rumi observed people are more inclined towards dance, music, poetry and art, he tried to explain them (the non believers) in that way so they could get easily influenced. Innovation is allowed in a good way, and if you say no, you are an extremist like ibn Abdul Wahhab or that terrorist (Osama bin Laden, the person who spoilt the image of Islam)
@robertmike57 Of course it's easier..but it doesn't have any purpose at God..with this, they gain good deeds and with drinking beer they gain the bad ones. It's always much easier to do the bad things...unfortunately!
@mp3peris It is seen as a symbolic imitation of planets in the Solar System orbiting the sun, a method of physical meditation to reach beyond inner desire and to reach a state of perfect harmony - ultimately to reach God.
@FindsLoveInAllThings cuz you have lack of brain cells, its like laughing at your mum cuz she has a fat ass, which infact you didnt know having a fat ass is not to be laughed at cuz its so common that people dont even find it funny,you've got a lot to learn about whats what on earth,( probably it will take a century for you), I bet you were the dumb one at school cuz you were laughing annoyingly all day,
P.S. My kids do the same thing, spin until they get dizzy and fall to the ground. Yep we are from Tennessee we don't like this sort of thing, it won't work
the reason why they get dizzy coz they are kids , the question is why dont u do it and when u do this whirling , make sure you havent eaten anything before whirling , do it empty stomach.
I have read all about the Sufi's and Gulen's brand of Turkish Islam and it is a joke. Quit trying to push your brand of Islam on the rest of us. These Whirling Twirling nut jobs are going to whirl their way to Allah. Oops I forget Sufi's are into mysticism, math and science not jihad.
@Americathebrave100 Before you write a comment read some and learn! They are praying you fool.. and their dress refers to death and the blessing of all beings and love.. unfortunately, which looks pretty far from you......
Did the Prophet salallaahu alaihi wa sallaam ever do this whirling and did any
of his companions do this? Rather they read the Quran and prayed much and fasted as a means of getting closer to Allaah. Something must be legislated by
Allaah before we do it. If it is not from the commandments of Allaah then it is an
innovation. Even it we enjoy doing it, it doesn't make it right and Allaah won't except it.
Wellllllll, according to the Wahhabi version of Islam, YES---they believe that the Quran contains everything that is worth knowing and can be known...that it's the Latest And Greatest and Final revelation, complete and perfect. Our friend "ummkhadijahtu" appears to be a Wahhabi, or an orthodox Shia.
@CharlotteFairchild , yes everything is written. It is in the Quran. The Quran has legislated ever matter that our Load wants us to adhere and forbidden all that He wants us to refrain from.. So if one follows the guidance of what Allaah has sent down to His prophet then they will be guided.
They raise the arm closest to the side the head leans to and generally all have the same posturing. That's cool. I could watch this all night it's so beautiful.
When they are whirling they lose sense of time and space, its meditative state where they can go for hours. Like when you do something you love, you don't feel tired nor do you realize your body is tired.
@rashmi1625 To synchronize with every creation, n approach the Creator, as One being approaching the creator by losing the awareness about self existence n find the center of the center of the center...
@rashmi1625 Dear one they rotate b'cos planets also rotate ,stars also rotate .Like a wheel rotate but centre of wheel is unmovable.so while doing this dance rotate ,focus on ur breath,go along with music one hand above head towards the shy to recive the blessing and other hand down words to give back to earth.it is very beautiful to watch and do.
The name "dervish" is derived from the Persian "darvish", which means literally "door", because they were holy men who begged from door to door. A dervish is a member of the mystical Sufi branch of Islam and is similar to a Christian monk who lives in poverty of material possessions, or an Indian fakir, or a Buddhist monk. All of them try to reach spiritual oneness with the Divine by various methods of self control, humility, abstinence, meditation, chanting, etc.
Hi everybody. I'm from Konya.I have found a chance to whirling dervish.Thats was amazing. I can't tell my feelings when I whirling. This feelings no like others. You must live.
their right hands always up and left hands down, because that's mean, i am giving order from God and i am distributing order i gave. The other info is that their heads must be bent like earth axis...66 dgr , 23'
and they think only God while whirling..otherwise they fall down.
Such impatience for things people don't understand. And then they feel they have to share the dissatisfaction, regardless of who may see their comment. Why?
Una sensació indescriptible és la que vaig sentir al veure els derviches en un poblet perdut a les muntanyes de la Capadòcia...no es pot explicar s'ha de viure!
It is really not easy to do and these people are not just spinnig and changing positions of their hands. Everything here symbolizes somehting... Hope someday I'll be able to do so
Some Derwish sembolism: Holding the head slanted is a symbol of humility. You will also notice that they hold one hand upwards and the other downwards. That means they collect the divine light with the upwards hand and spread it around with the downwards one.
Some Derwish sembolism: Holding the head slanted is a symbol of humility. You will also notice that they hold one hand upwards and the other downwards. That means they collect the divine light with the upwards hand and spread it around with the downwards one.
Winding themselves like clocks. I admire their dedication. This is actually one of the Five Rites, a sequence of exercises. Our bodies are intriguing machines with spiritual underpinnings. Neat video.
weezyfbaby604, just keep your silly OPINION to yourself ! if you even have a bit of taqwa in your heart .
secretmeditation 2 days ago
@secretmeditation How else do we get people following the Haq without exposing their baatil?
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 Before exposing others doing baatil introspect your own self. You will not go to heaven because all the good things (ibadah) you do according to sunnah (Takabboor) but you get to enter heaven because Allah is Ar-Rahman (because He wants you to).
Remember, Iblis (Devil) has perform his ibadah his entire life (billions of years) BUT for just one small mistake Iblis make (not willing to bow down to prophet Adam A.S he got damned by Allah forever ..
secretmeditation 1 day ago
before...i couldnt understand
now i have started to understand...
brothers and sisters let thoses who are against it be
as indeed we cannot undo the barriers set before their eyes by ALLAH
all we can do is show patience towards them and pray that one day
ALLAH reaches them with infinite knowledge of the real worshiping of GOD
zappasstoned 2 days ago
fuck you
jcismyname 2 weeks ago
Beautiful.
jazzanobg 2 weeks ago
lizette000 -- can you please tell me where i can get this song i heard it some where but i can find it. please help me...
ramezalam82 3 weeks ago
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dervishes sick albanian sect
MARKOforever100 1 month ago
maulana belongs to humanity but im so proud to be persian
real4champions 1 month ago
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@real4champions /watch?v=lx0zCNfutNs&feature=related this what you call beautifull
fuckin sect
MARKOforever100 1 month ago
They swirl because it is a way of aligning them with nature / god / themselves, like the earth spins about its own axis, how the earth and planets go around the sun, notice how the left leg remains in place like the axis and only the right leg is used to swirl. It is done to take you into a trance, the spiritual realm, closer to god. Beautiful!
jitinhora 1 month ago 5
@jitinhora That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
Did the Prophet Mohammed do this or did the first three generations do it? No!
They were the best of mankind.
weezyfbaby604 3 days ago
@weezyfbaby604 shut up!
secretmeditation 2 days ago
@secretmeditation Truth hurts right?
Give me one single Hadith where the Prophet did or told his Ummah to dance around like these idiots!
It NEVER happened thus, it being an innovation.
He (pbuh) said: "Every Innovation is Misguidance, every misguidance is in the Fires of Hell."
This is NOT Islam!!
You people are Ahlul- Bidah!
weezyfbaby604 2 days ago
@weezyfbaby604 You were saying that we are all Ahlul- Bidah & NOT Islam, so this means we do Syirk and we are no longer a Muslim (and become kafr), is that what you mean ??
But .. did you know that there are certain procedure before calling Muslims as kafr ? and if you don't have a proper witness @ proves that we are kafr .. you will become kafr yourself ! Becareful there weezyfbaby604, if we are not kafr, all those ibadah that you do you entire life will mean nothing !
secretmeditation 2 days ago
@secretmeditation
I did not say that you were a Kaafir. I said that this act of worship in not found in Islam therefore to do this is NOT Islam
The same way if someone was to fornicate, that too in NOT Islam, but it doesn't make them a Kafir. They can still believe
"Produce you proof if you are truthful" (2:111)
Where in Islam (first 3 generations) ever do this?
Did Mohammed pbuh dance around like this?
Is it that he didn't know of another way to get closer to Allah?
Astafurulah!
Think about it
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
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secretmeditation 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 What guarantee you have that all your ibadah will accepted by Allah if you yourself have no khushoo in your salah ?
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation There is no guarantee. However, in order to get to Heaven, one must follow the Quran and Sunnah, dancing about in dresses in not from the Quran and the Sunnah.
“If you really love Allah then follow me, accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Qur’aan and the Sunnah and Allaah will love you and forgive you for your sins”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:31]
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
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@weezyfbaby604 Too bad you have not guarantee .. it's like a blind person leading another blind person .. All you know is copy and pasting the hadith .. any christian can do that.
if dancing about in dresses in not from the Quran and the Sunnah << provide me hadeeth that prohibited dancing while reciting dzikr ! Don't talk nonesense !
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 They were dancing as an expression of how excited they are during the zikr.
Where were you in prophet Muhammad SAW era ?
or are you just saying this because you heard somebody said it to you and you just agree with them ??
Believing in something that you haven't witness (following others blindly) is called Taklid. You are no better than any blindman! or a bird taught how to repeat its master's words !
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation No i wasn't there but we use the Hadiths to give us an understanding of what happened. The dervish dancing that the Sufis do have never been recorded in any Hadiths! Not even weak ones, thus it didn't happen. And to snuggest that the sahabah forgot to say would be mocking them as such small details of Mohammed pbuh life have been recorded. For example, the way he urinated, the way he walked, the way he kissed his wives.
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 believing in Hadeeth is not included in 5 pillars of Islam. And hadeeth writers are not ma'sum from doing sins or forget like prophet Muhammad. To be obsessed with hadeeth are bid'ah !
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 Salah is not worshipping ritual. There are no worshipping in Islam. There are worshipping in Hindu, Buddha & Christian but NOT Islam.
Salah is a way for human to COMMUNICATE with Allah. You are standing in front of Allah during your salah, praising & glorify Allah, reciting dua' so Allah will help give guidance in your life.Those dervish dancers are communicating with Allah through dzikr beside salah. How often you communicate with Allah other than salah 5 time/day?
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation Your arguments weak. For you to claim that just because i wasn't there means that i have no proof is ridiculous. Were you there at the time of the Prophet pbuh?
If not, how do you know how to pray Salah? Was your Ustadh there?
How did he know?
From the Hadiths of course! Don't be so stupid.
And I communicate with Allah in a way which has been prescribed to us. I.e, raising the hands in Dua.
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 You are so dumb, if you were not even there how did you know prophet Muhammad prohibited reciting dzikr while dancing ?? You were the one accusing do ask me back without answering my question ..
You think dua is the ONLY way to communicate with Allah, what if Allah removes you hand from your body how would you pray then ?? THINK!!
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation Imam Malik could not raise his hands as he was tortured. So what your saying is that Allah will not accept his duas from his. Making Dua is about what yo you say, not the raising of the hands. That is only a Sunnah.
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@weezyfbaby604
This is what you said >> So what your saying is that Allah will not accept his duas from his. Making Dua is about what yo you say, not the raising of the hands. That is only a Sunnah.
This mean if you are numb enough, you should have agreed with me that there many ways to perform ibadah including reciting dzikr while doing dervish dance !
secretmeditation 1 day ago
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@weezyfbaby604 Dua is about what yo you say, not the raising of the hands. That is only a Sunnah. << NOW YOU CREATE EXCUSES NOT TO FOLLOW SUNNAH ?? HOW HYPOCRITE IS THAT ??
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation And i will not be listening to anything you write from now on as i don't think i will be learning from someone who calls me dumb when trying to have a civilized conversation.
It's people like you who give the Ummah a bad name.
Instead of talking about controversial topics, you're quick to start name calling.
Is this of the Sunnah?
By Allah, No!
So don't you dare talk to me about Islam you hypocrite.
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@weezyfbaby604 Hey, you called me stupid ? I will not take anything from absent minded like you too !
It's people like you who give the Ummah a bad name.
Instead of talking about controversial topics, you're quick to start name calling.
Is this of the Sunnah?
By Allah, No!
So don't you dare talk to me about Islam you hypocrite.
secretmeditation 1 day ago
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@weezyfbaby604
Is it that he didn't know of another way to get closer to Allah? << Prophet Muhammad SAW has his own mission. He don't have to teach human to build aeroplane .. a car .. that's not part of his task!
Which part of your computer build by sahabah ??
Your argument are so LAME and embarrasing me as a Muslim. Just stop what you are doing !
You and people like minded are the biggest threat to Islam because your action contribute to disunity between Muslims!
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation You obviously do not the the meaning of Bi'dah.
Please research the meaning of Bid'ah in Islam under the official Shariah before commenting and embarrassing yourself.
Bid'ah is with regards to religious matters. Prophet Mohammed pbuh taught us about religion and not worldly matters.
In fact, Islam encourages worldly innovation, such has medicine, engineering etc...
What i do know is, Prophet Mohammed taught how to worship Allah. Dancing was NOT of that!
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 You on the other hand manipulating the concept of bid'ah to say that you are more Islamic than other Muslims!
There are NO worshipping in Islam. Idol worshipping in Mecca before Islam came.
This conclude that you are less Islam than those dervish dancers! LOL!!
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 TRUTH REALLY HURTS ! >> when you think that you are still a Muslim well in fact after what you did (labelling other Muslim as kafr as you like) .. you are Kafr yourself .. so sad ..
secretmeditation 2 days ago
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@secretmeditation I did not say that you were a Kaafir. I said that this act of worship in not found in Islam therefore to do this is NOT Islam
The same way if someone was to fornicate, that too in NOT Islam, but it doesn't make them a Kafir. They can still believe
"Produce you proof if you are truthful" (2:111)
Where in Islam (first 3 generations) ever do this?
Did Mohammed pbuh dance around like this?
Is it that he didn't know of another way to get closer to Allah?
Astafurulah!
Think about it
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@secretmeditation I communicate with Allah the way Mohammed pbuh told His ummah to communicate with Him. Dancing was NOT included.
Also, i should not have to prove that you're actions are wrong. you should have to prove and justify your actions to the rest of the Ummah.
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 I don't label other Muslim as NON ISLAMIC or their practice are not from Islam. Maybe your ustadz forgot to teach you manners when communicating with other ??
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604
O those who believe, no men should ever mock at other men, since it is possible that the latter are better than the former, nor (should) women (ever mock) at other women, since it is possible that the latter women are better than the former ones. And do not find fault with one another, nor call one another with bad nicknames. Bad is the name of sinfulness after embracing Faith.* And whoever does not repent, such people are the wrongdoers. [11]
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation Kind of Ironic as you're the one who called me Dumb you hypocrite.
Also, as Muslims, we WORSHIP Allah (alone).
There are many verses in the Quran where one says this. The most obvious one being Surah Fatiha.
Also, "I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship" Qur'an, Chapter 51, Verse 56
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 yea have to agree that you just worship "alone" but didn't understand a thing about meaning behind the salah.
Taklid again ..
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation So you agree that Muslims worship God right?
And that you were wrong to say that Muslims do not worship anything.
It is not taqleed when i give the daleel! Which i have done! Can you not read????
(51:56)
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 ehh .. just go and worship your Imam !
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation Unlike many deviant Sufis and people of innovation I do NOT commit Shrik. For the fact that 'worshiping an Imaam' came into your sick head, means that you may have often thought about it. Unlike Sufis, I will NEVER worship other than Allah!
How dare you even say that to me?
Read back your comments and think, "Is Allah proud of what i have said" as i am deeply offended an on The Day Of Judgement, I will NOT be forgiving you for what you have said to me.
I pray Allah guides you.
weezyfbaby604 19 hours ago
@secretmeditation And when i prove to you that i have given you daleel and not made taqleed, you make stupid comments. Shows the little immature baby you really are.
Can't handle the truth?
awww
weezyfbaby604 19 hours ago
@weezyfbaby604 awww your father's ass you sick bastard !
secretmeditation 2 hours ago
@weezyfbaby604 With Allah will you and your wahabis ustad that has been brainwashing your head will go to hell anyway .. LOL!!
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation Are you God to make such a Judgement? You do not know whether i will go to Hell or Heaven and for you to say i will go to Hell means that you're playing the role of God.
Read about the Hadith about the prostitute giving water to a starving dog before commenting without knowledge.
weezyfbaby604 13 hours ago
@weezyfbaby604 go and fuck the dog ! LOL! you are such a joke !
secretmeditation 2 hours ago
@weezyfbaby604 Hey, in case you forgot I did ask you to provide me hadeeth saying dervish dance was prohibited by prophet Muhammad.
Don't be hypocrite okay ?? That is so not Islamic !! Bida'h! Bida'h! Bida'h! Bida'h! LOL!
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation My evidence is, it has never been mentioned in any Books during the Prophets life During the lives of the Sahabah During the lives of the Tabi‘un and during the lives of the Tabi‘ al-Tabi‘in. They were the best of Mankind If it was not mentioned It did not happen.
I shudnt have to prove your acts wrong. You just have to prove to me, what you do is right. You need to justify your acts. If you can, i will become a Sufi.
"Kullu Bid'atin Dhalalah"
(Every Innovation is Misguidance)
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 If that is your evidence then my evidence is it has never been mentioned THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD & SAHABAH PROHIBITED RECITING DZIKR WHILE DERVISH DANCING in any Books during the Prophets life During the lives of the Sahabah During the lives of the Tabi‘un and during the lives of the Tabi‘ al-Tabi‘in. They were the best of Mankind If it was not mentioned It did not happen.
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation We stick to what we know, if we don't we are literally playing with fire. To suggest that it could have happened but was not recorded is mocking the Sahabahs and all those Imaams who recorded the Hadiths. How can you say that we shouldn't look too much into hadiths when being a Muslim is all about following the Quran and the Sunnah! The Quran has mentioned this several times. Some of which i will post in a different comment box.
weezyfbaby604 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 To suggest that prophet Muhammad & sahabah prohibited dzkir while dervish dance WITHOUT A PROOF is an act of mocking prophet Muhammad & sahabah.I suggest you to just worship those Imam ! They were chanting Allah's names & reciting Quran while dancing and that is wrong just because you haven't found any hadeeth allowing ?? YOU ARE SO FUCKING IDIOT !! I am so angry with you if you are standing in front of me I would just smack you in the face! You are dividing Muslim!
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation SubhanAllah i don't think that i need to say more. You say that you would smack me in the face if i was in front of you. Do you feel that this is something Allah would approve of? Do you think that swearing at me at threatening me with violence will get you into Heaven?
If not, why do it?
I have never called you a name, nor have i sworn nor would i ever hit you as i am not the judge of your actions, that is for Allah. Obviously by looking at you comment, you seem to differ.
weezyfbaby604 19 hours ago
@weezyfbaby604 Unluckily what you have known so far are not that much so admit it and shut up!
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604
If "Kullu Bid'atin Dhalalah" (Every Innovation is Misguidance) then all innovation including your own "innovation" so called worldly innovation are also bida'h and all Muslims will become as numb ( Joomood ) as you are.
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@weezyfbaby604 I am not trying to invite and far from converting you to Sufi because you will only become as ridiculous as you are now ( a bad Wahabis)
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation You don't know me but you have labelled me a Wahabi. If you really felt you were on the Haq, you would fore-fill your duty as a Muslim and try to convert me.
If you look into the Hadiths regarding Innovation you will know that He pbuh said that "every newly invented matter into this RELIGION of ours, will be rejected" thus, worldly innovation is allowed.
Why would you mock me after i quoted what the Nabi pbuh said?
Are you denying that he said Every Innovation Is Misguidence?
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@weezyfbaby604 All wahabis are the same, I don't have to know your name or seeing your face when you keep calling other Muslim or their practices NOT ISLAMIC and repeating the word bida'ah not and your argument seems more towards your own benefits and denied other then youare freakin' wahabis.
There are no forcing in Islam and it is not your duty or mine to convert others to Islam / Sufism / Wahabism. DON'T DARE TRYING TO BE GOD WHEN YOU YOURSELF ARE NOT A GOOD MUSLIM YOURSELF !
secretmeditation 1 day ago
@secretmeditation Kind of ironic that you tell me not to act as if i'm God when i don't think i have. It's ironic that you say that I am not a good Muslim, is that is a Judgement for you to make. Isn't that God's job?
So i am not the one who is taking the role of God, in fact, it is you!
Are you a Sheikh, Imaam or a Scholar or some sort to give such a fatwa that I am not a good Muslim?
If not, keep your vile mouth shut.
weezyfbaby604 19 hours ago
@weezyfbaby604 ironic your mother !!
secretmeditation 2 hours ago
@weezyfbaby604 Bida'h! Bida'h! Bida'h! Bida'h!
secretmeditation 1 day ago
they are swirling to get into the trance!
FShimon 1 month ago
They Swirl with God love..On this earth Eveything swirl For Allah.Stars galaxi Atoms.Wrold moon..İf you look all stuff on this earth everything swirl..They Burning with their Love.
Long Live Turks.
Ouzconqueror 3 months ago 4
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So ture, love form Iraq
aliraqi989 3 months ago
Body it temple of the spirit.
DaleOman 3 months ago
nice video
menfinnar 4 months ago
So spiritual experience is based in the functionality of the body ??? Funny why none of them get that. Body is body, spirit is no thing.
keithfaecorstorphine 4 months ago
this stuff is bullshit. Islam is about worshipping Allah not twirling around in a dress and flowerpot like some homosexual gnome. The prophet and his companions never did this stuff. Look kinda fun tho....
MyRandom123456789 4 months ago
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@redheylin are you a salfi ?
No - but even the wrongest people in the world must be right sometimes!
redheylin 5 months ago
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........
johnnyboync1 5 months ago
I like the hats. They look like cool gnomes.
markfromidaho 6 months ago
//.ALLAH has perfected the religion and completed his favor upon us.......all innovation is strictly prohibited.//
A very important thing you say, Zippy. Now just a couple of things...
1) Can you show me where the Prophet and his Companions made collections of their sayings? No. The Hadith on which you base your prohibition are themselves an innovation. Where this leaves you - you will have to ask God.
2) I have read many times "no compulsion in religion". Some innovation there!
redheylin 6 months ago
@redheylin are you a salfi ?
nawazsucks 5 months ago
HERMOSO
NATALI1RA 6 months ago
i seriously doubt that Islam was practiced and spread by the holy prophet(s.a.w) and his companions by whirling away....ALLAH has perfected the religion and completed his favor upon us.......all innovation is strictly prohibited...... just think if whirling for god was accepted...the next genration would see "coked up-head banging-rock n roll" derveshes.
zipppy9 7 months ago
@zipppy9 Please keep these ideologies of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab to yourself. Listen, when Mevlana rumi observed people are more inclined towards dance, music, poetry and art, he tried to explain them (the non believers) in that way so they could get easily influenced. Innovation is allowed in a good way, and if you say no, you are an extremist like ibn Abdul Wahhab or that terrorist (Osama bin Laden, the person who spoilt the image of Islam)
nawazsucks 6 months ago
such enchantment. so peaceful and graceful. an achievement of high art for mankind. the Dervish is the opposite of man's wars and destructions.
lancetop 8 months ago
im getting dizzy just watching him this is amazing natural high god bless them
babbutoto 9 months ago 2
what an amazing natural high ,,, i can watch this all day
babbutoto 9 months ago
Come, come again, whoever you are, come
Heathen, fire worshipper or idolatrous, come
Come even if you broke your penitence a hundred times
Ours is the portal of hope, come as you are
MEVLANA
isstanblues 9 months ago
Nokia ringtone at 2:52
KudistosMegistos 9 months ago
extraordinario y maravillososssssssss
constantinghering 10 months ago
woudln't be easier just to drink 3 or 4 beers instead of spinning around getting dizzy?
robertmike57 10 months ago
@robertmike57 Try 12 or 18. 3 or 4 is for lightweights. : P
ReneeNme 10 months ago
@robertmike57 Of course it's easier..but it doesn't have any purpose at God..with this, they gain good deeds and with drinking beer they gain the bad ones. It's always much easier to do the bad things...unfortunately!
Bejmich3 8 months ago
did I just watch a bunch of middle aged men in dresses spin around like fairies before busting out in prayer?
padookieking 11 months ago
actualy my opinion is mixed ritual islam and former religion tengrism of Turks. whirling represent celestial objects
dfqdy 11 months ago
Very interesting, I don't get it why do they swirl ?
mp3peris 11 months ago 6
@mp3peris Intoxicated in the love of God. Literally swimming in the ocean of that love.
ahsans786 11 months ago 2
@mp3peris to acheieve religious ecstasy
sarakhanoom27 11 months ago
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@mp3peris to achieve religious ecstasy
sarakhanoom27 11 months ago
@mp3peris a kind of meditations a divine one
divinerayofhope 4 months ago
@mp3peris It is seen as a symbolic imitation of planets in the Solar System orbiting the sun, a method of physical meditation to reach beyond inner desire and to reach a state of perfect harmony - ultimately to reach God.
bqureshi21 3 months ago
@mp3peris before their swirl there is a great story.
cervine8888 2 months ago
@mp3peris it's a type of meditation I think
drewboy108 2 months ago
@mp3peris this is there way.. of conecting to their innerself...!!
aviatorgtm 1 month ago
@mp3peris It's a form of worship.
MrSonnyworld 4 weeks ago
@mp3peris They are just dancing, turkish dance style
kostakii1030 2 weeks ago
I want a turkish delight
graycloud057 11 months ago
Reaching pure consciousness and cosmic self through the love of the divine. Beautiful. Don't miss it if you have a chance to see it.
ufemiarizk 11 months ago
this is for Nascar fans that dont have cars! wow
bobbleheadlimbs 11 months ago
I like their hats. :D
Kallico 11 months ago
this is their communicate to God (Allah) its not a dance show, its holy for the muslims.
somrazy3 1 year ago
i wounder what there gonna do next?
teamretrouniverse 1 year ago 2
I'm sorry, I just cannot stop laughing.
FindsLoveInAllThings 1 year ago
@FindsLoveInAllThings cuz you have lack of brain cells, its like laughing at your mum cuz she has a fat ass, which infact you didnt know having a fat ass is not to be laughed at cuz its so common that people dont even find it funny,you've got a lot to learn about whats what on earth,( probably it will take a century for you), I bet you were the dumb one at school cuz you were laughing annoyingly all day,
Bozkurt68400 8 months ago
Did somebody lose the script for part 2?
TomMinderson 1 year ago
squirreling is far more entertaining than hwhirreling
townbythetown 1 year ago
i think the guy in the back is the winner
scooter31n 1 year ago
Wonder how they don't get dizzy!
triky808 1 year ago
P.S. My kids do the same thing, spin until they get dizzy and fall to the ground. Yep we are from Tennessee we don't like this sort of thing, it won't work
Americathebrave100 1 year ago
the reason why they get dizzy coz they are kids , the question is why dont u do it and when u do this whirling , make sure you havent eaten anything before whirling , do it empty stomach.
contumacy11 1 year ago
P.S. My kids do the same thing, spin until they get dizzy and fall to the ground.
Americathebrave100 1 year ago
I have read all about the Sufi's and Gulen's brand of Turkish Islam and it is a joke. Quit trying to push your brand of Islam on the rest of us. These Whirling Twirling nut jobs are going to whirl their way to Allah. Oops I forget Sufi's are into mysticism, math and science not jihad.
Americathebrave100 1 year ago
wow MASHALLAH, i heard and was keen interesting to watch them, Love this whirling style, LOVE FROM PAKISTAN
nomigobobhai 1 year ago
Is this what you are going to teach the Minnesota kids to do? Twirl like a drunken Turkish Sailor. Service? to whom? the Gulen Movement?
Americathebrave100 1 year ago
@Americathebrave100 Before you write a comment read some and learn! They are praying you fool.. and their dress refers to death and the blessing of all beings and love.. unfortunately, which looks pretty far from you......
MsBlackmarlin 1 year ago
and their spinning!!!!!!!!!!! omg did you see that, he spun!!!!!! yay grown men in dresses
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GDS292 1 year ago
And they alll falllll down! O, Ripped'd off'd
DColonello 1 year ago
Come, come, whoever you are.
Wanderer, worshipper, lover of leaving — it doesn't matter,
Ours is not a caravan of despair.
Come, even if you have broken your vow a hundred times,
Come, come again, come.
I died as a mineral and became a plant,
I died as plant and rose to animal,
I died as animal and I was Man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
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CharlotteFairchild 1 year ago
Did the Prophet salallaahu alaihi wa sallaam ever do this whirling and did any
of his companions do this? Rather they read the Quran and prayed much and fasted as a means of getting closer to Allaah. Something must be legislated by
Allaah before we do it. If it is not from the commandments of Allaah then it is an
innovation. Even it we enjoy doing it, it doesn't make it right and Allaah won't except it.
ummkhadijahtu 1 year ago
@ummkhadijahtu How do you know? Is everything written that will be written? Is everything known that has been told?
CharlotteFairchild 1 year ago
@CharlotteFairchild
Wellllllll, according to the Wahhabi version of Islam, YES---they believe that the Quran contains everything that is worth knowing and can be known...that it's the Latest And Greatest and Final revelation, complete and perfect. Our friend "ummkhadijahtu" appears to be a Wahhabi, or an orthodox Shia.
Edsta92 1 year ago
@CharlotteFairchild , yes everything is written. It is in the Quran. The Quran has legislated ever matter that our Load wants us to adhere and forbidden all that He wants us to refrain from.. So if one follows the guidance of what Allaah has sent down to His prophet then they will be guided.
ummkhadijahtu 11 months ago
They raise the arm closest to the side the head leans to and generally all have the same posturing. That's cool. I could watch this all night it's so beautiful.
jb1552 1 year ago
Did you pay to see this?
InARealPickle 1 year ago
When they are whirling they lose sense of time and space, its meditative state where they can go for hours. Like when you do something you love, you don't feel tired nor do you realize your body is tired.
levendful 1 year ago
wat is this..............why they rotate nd rotate
rashmi1625 1 year ago
@rashmi1625 To synchronize with every creation, n approach the Creator, as One being approaching the creator by losing the awareness about self existence n find the center of the center of the center...
artistdigital 1 year ago
@rashmi1625 Dear one they rotate b'cos planets also rotate ,stars also rotate .Like a wheel rotate but centre of wheel is unmovable.so while doing this dance rotate ,focus on ur breath,go along with music one hand above head towards the shy to recive the blessing and other hand down words to give back to earth.it is very beautiful to watch and do.
bsarora1 1 year ago
The name "dervish" is derived from the Persian "darvish", which means literally "door", because they were holy men who begged from door to door. A dervish is a member of the mystical Sufi branch of Islam and is similar to a Christian monk who lives in poverty of material possessions, or an Indian fakir, or a Buddhist monk. All of them try to reach spiritual oneness with the Divine by various methods of self control, humility, abstinence, meditation, chanting, etc.
mannixisle 1 year ago
So how do they do that without spotting? Spotting is the only way you can whirl for that long and not get dizzy.
jacks16390 1 year ago
the best part is the name. dervish. ha.
MileyDOMOKUNpugs 1 year ago
@BosnaRevolucija you must made a preparation before, and when you whirl you must clean up all your thought and whirl whirl...... is lovely
forcapower 1 year ago
Fittie :)
kwordkarinababe 1 year ago
superrrrrrrrrrr
i like it !!! i see in Istanbul this dance life to ,,Dervish Restaurant`` ...beautiful...
Flori from Romania...
Florina20 1 year ago
2:51 ...
Newbestyle 1 year ago
theyspinnin.ytmnd.com I'll just leave this here.
RexFromDefgab 1 year ago
the music was great!!!....and yes the tilawa was amazing....what a voice
hasnain0099 1 year ago
i would lol if one of them puked
joejman 1 year ago
Hi everybody. I'm from Konya.I have found a chance to whirling dervish.Thats was amazing. I can't tell my feelings when I whirling. This feelings no like others. You must live.
rolomonog 1 year ago
hahaha i thought this was the longboarding video :P
evmister94 1 year ago
their right hands always up and left hands down, because that's mean, i am giving order from God and i am distributing order i gave. The other info is that their heads must be bent like earth axis...66 dgr , 23'
and they think only God while whirling..otherwise they fall down.
aakuzum 1 year ago
I wonder why they cock their head at an angle like that.
michalchik 1 year ago
The hats combined with the tilt of the head are at times more distinctive than their skirts.
skirts365 1 year ago
Such impatience for things people don't understand. And then they feel they have to share the dissatisfaction, regardless of who may see their comment. Why?
kamwrites 1 year ago
les voy a hacer el orto a estos forros
ojala que se esfumen de la faz de la tierra estos mamiferos irreconocibles
derviches bibarachi
natatchka 1 year ago
They should do some flips every now and then.
cheezycam 1 year ago 3
Are there any smaller dervishes that spin at 45 rpm?
adamcharney 1 year ago 3
Una sensació indescriptible és la que vaig sentir al veure els derviches en un poblet perdut a les muntanyes de la Capadòcia...no es pot explicar s'ha de viure!
Mariarosaxifrelleal 1 year ago
I would rather longboard with a dervish
trudal987 1 year ago
Beautiful
Nishlower 1 year ago
This is truly amaziing)) LOVE IT.
It is really not easy to do and these people are not just spinnig and changing positions of their hands. Everything here symbolizes somehting... Hope someday I'll be able to do so
tolik100 1 year ago 2
HURR I SPINZ
chuuxorz 1 year ago
Their opening act was paint drying.
ex0pos 1 year ago
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Some Derwish sembolism: Holding the head slanted is a symbol of humility. You will also notice that they hold one hand upwards and the other downwards. That means they collect the divine light with the upwards hand and spread it around with the downwards one.
SaitFaik54 1 year ago
Some Derwish sembolism: Holding the head slanted is a symbol of humility. You will also notice that they hold one hand upwards and the other downwards. That means they collect the divine light with the upwards hand and spread it around with the downwards one.
SaitFaik54 1 year ago
amazing
sitarcos 1 year ago
Winding themselves like clocks. I admire their dedication. This is actually one of the Five Rites, a sequence of exercises. Our bodies are intriguing machines with spiritual underpinnings. Neat video.
mikecatadjuster 2 years ago 2
they are mind blowing
Mafs75 2 years ago
This is slightly more exciting that watching people meditate.
michalchik 2 years ago 48