@gaconnochie Thank You! I am disabled and love to read so this will be something I want to check into. Hope the local libraries can get a copy if they don't have. I will keep an eye out. We are crossing each other in our emails! I just told you friends brought me books...and then I get this. We are writing at the same time! lol. Great minds think along the same lines, right? I've enjoyed your info. Thanking you again, Barb
various septs of the MacDonalds were Catholic along with McNeills of Barra and one or two others. Most Jacobites came out depsite the Catholicism of the Pretenders which if anything maybe goes to show just how unpoopular the Hanovarian regime must have been. A good history on the Highlands at that time is Clanship Commerce And The House Of Stuart by Allan Macinnes in particular it gives lists of clans, their allegiances and religious make up etc. Maybe an easier one to get a hold of is on the
point really. It isn't a song to make anyone join an uprising rather it is telling them to lay down their arms' Ye jacobites by name, your doctrines I must blame, your faults I must proclaim".
@gaconnochie I appreciate your info. I was familiar with much of it, but I had always read about the highlanders being for the Catholics and James. I didn't realize they were Anglicans. I love history and this has been a quick lesson. I want to research, but am sure your info is correct. I've visited your site & loved many of the songs I heard. I want to return! I was also told the highlanders were the Scotch and the lowlanders were the landed Scotch which went "British" for profit, basically.
@MyMoppet52 Sorry if I come over all pedantic but there is a lot of nonsense written about Scottish history particularly on the web so it is easy for you to pick up on misconceptions. Scotland at that time was a vehemently anti-Catholic country. Historians suggest little more than about 2% of Scots were Catholic.In the bulk of the Lowlands there were virtually no Catholics bar one or two aristos and Clan Gordon in the north-east. There were more in the Highlands but they were still a minority
@gaconnochie You didn't. I was amazed about the division between types of Protestants though. I thought it was highlanders/Catholic - lowlanders/Protestant. I appreciate your info. I do know that the lowlands were very anti-Catholic. I have Scottish friends but they had no interest in history except getting me books from Scotland on their trips home. Mostly on 'bundling' & the Clearances back in 80's before it was well known from movies. Thanks and jump in anytime! My best, Barb
@gaconnochie #2. I have enjoyed your comments immensely and appreciate the time and effort you have taken to present your info! I've researched The Earl of Moray so much I got cross eyed. The history is so magnificent and so OLD!!! We have nothing to compare with your history. The funny thing is this is NOT my favorite version, but it wasn't on utube so I put it on! Thanks again & please add info anytime you wish. I have other historic songs which might need clarification! My best, Barbara
about in Scotland. The religious divide in Scotland since the 1640s had been between sects of Protestantism. Presbyterians versus Episcopalians (ie Scottish Anglicans). The vast bulk of the jacobites were non-juring episcopalians.That is Anglicans who refused to acknowledge the deposing of James VII and his successors. The original song was vehemently anti-Jacobite but Burns waters it down. The song blames the Jacobites for the conflict but is anti-war more than anti-Jacobite. Which was my
"(The highlanders long swords v.s. lowlanders short swords, who were for the British and therefore Protestant.) I'm not getting into that. I'm not an historian" They were all Briitsh. There were Hihglanders and Lowlanders on both sides. The bulk of the Scottish Jacobites in all the risings were Protestants. In Ireland and England the jacobites tended to equate with Catholics but not so in Scotland. Yes Catholics came out for a potential Catholic king but there weren't really that many Catholics
@Bossman1603 Sounds like you are a fan! So glad you found their music here. I have quite a few songs and hope to post more. Thanks for saying "hi". I appreciate comments greatly! The "Bhoys" are great. My best, Moppet
@gaconnochie I will ammend my comments to "join into the fray". I didn't mean onto the Jacobite side. Sorry. I wasn't clear. There are those, though, who think the Burns version is to win the Jacobites over instead of just condemning them. (The highlanders long swords v.s. lowlanders short swords, who were for the British and therefore Protestant.) I'm not getting into that. I'm not an historian. Thanks for pointing out my mis-speak. I appreciate your comment. It's nice to know someone cares!
rebellion itself. It is called The 45 and is by Christopher Duffy.
gaconnochie 5 months ago
@gaconnochie Thank You! I am disabled and love to read so this will be something I want to check into. Hope the local libraries can get a copy if they don't have. I will keep an eye out. We are crossing each other in our emails! I just told you friends brought me books...and then I get this. We are writing at the same time! lol. Great minds think along the same lines, right? I've enjoyed your info. Thanking you again, Barb
MyMoppet52 5 months ago
various septs of the MacDonalds were Catholic along with McNeills of Barra and one or two others. Most Jacobites came out depsite the Catholicism of the Pretenders which if anything maybe goes to show just how unpoopular the Hanovarian regime must have been. A good history on the Highlands at that time is Clanship Commerce And The House Of Stuart by Allan Macinnes in particular it gives lists of clans, their allegiances and religious make up etc. Maybe an easier one to get a hold of is on the
gaconnochie 5 months ago
point really. It isn't a song to make anyone join an uprising rather it is telling them to lay down their arms' Ye jacobites by name, your doctrines I must blame, your faults I must proclaim".
gaconnochie 5 months ago
@gaconnochie I appreciate your info. I was familiar with much of it, but I had always read about the highlanders being for the Catholics and James. I didn't realize they were Anglicans. I love history and this has been a quick lesson. I want to research, but am sure your info is correct. I've visited your site & loved many of the songs I heard. I want to return! I was also told the highlanders were the Scotch and the lowlanders were the landed Scotch which went "British" for profit, basically.
MyMoppet52 5 months ago
@MyMoppet52 Sorry if I come over all pedantic but there is a lot of nonsense written about Scottish history particularly on the web so it is easy for you to pick up on misconceptions. Scotland at that time was a vehemently anti-Catholic country. Historians suggest little more than about 2% of Scots were Catholic.In the bulk of the Lowlands there were virtually no Catholics bar one or two aristos and Clan Gordon in the north-east. There were more in the Highlands but they were still a minority
gaconnochie 5 months ago
@gaconnochie You didn't. I was amazed about the division between types of Protestants though. I thought it was highlanders/Catholic - lowlanders/Protestant. I appreciate your info. I do know that the lowlands were very anti-Catholic. I have Scottish friends but they had no interest in history except getting me books from Scotland on their trips home. Mostly on 'bundling' & the Clearances back in 80's before it was well known from movies. Thanks and jump in anytime! My best, Barb
MyMoppet52 5 months ago
@gaconnochie #2. I have enjoyed your comments immensely and appreciate the time and effort you have taken to present your info! I've researched The Earl of Moray so much I got cross eyed. The history is so magnificent and so OLD!!! We have nothing to compare with your history. The funny thing is this is NOT my favorite version, but it wasn't on utube so I put it on! Thanks again & please add info anytime you wish. I have other historic songs which might need clarification! My best, Barbara
MyMoppet52 5 months ago
about in Scotland. The religious divide in Scotland since the 1640s had been between sects of Protestantism. Presbyterians versus Episcopalians (ie Scottish Anglicans). The vast bulk of the jacobites were non-juring episcopalians.That is Anglicans who refused to acknowledge the deposing of James VII and his successors. The original song was vehemently anti-Jacobite but Burns waters it down. The song blames the Jacobites for the conflict but is anti-war more than anti-Jacobite. Which was my
gaconnochie 5 months ago
"(The highlanders long swords v.s. lowlanders short swords, who were for the British and therefore Protestant.) I'm not getting into that. I'm not an historian" They were all Briitsh. There were Hihglanders and Lowlanders on both sides. The bulk of the Scottish Jacobites in all the risings were Protestants. In Ireland and England the jacobites tended to equate with Catholics but not so in Scotland. Yes Catholics came out for a potential Catholic king but there weren't really that many Catholics
gaconnochie 5 months ago
Them's my Bhoys!!!
Bossman1603 5 months ago
@Bossman1603 Sounds like you are a fan! So glad you found their music here. I have quite a few songs and hope to post more. Thanks for saying "hi". I appreciate comments greatly! The "Bhoys" are great. My best, Moppet
MyMoppet52 5 months ago
Good version but why would they be ready to join in the uprising when they're signing a song condemning the Jacobites?
gaconnochie 5 months ago
@gaconnochie I will ammend my comments to "join into the fray". I didn't mean onto the Jacobite side. Sorry. I wasn't clear. There are those, though, who think the Burns version is to win the Jacobites over instead of just condemning them. (The highlanders long swords v.s. lowlanders short swords, who were for the British and therefore Protestant.) I'm not getting into that. I'm not an historian. Thanks for pointing out my mis-speak. I appreciate your comment. It's nice to know someone cares!
MyMoppet52 5 months ago