This is why biomechanics experts, and not former bowlers, should do the biomechanical analysis. RP Singh's arm moves in line with the trajectory of the ball so 100% of the hyperextension will be in the opposite direction which is why it's not visible from directly in front. Shoaib, on the other hand, like Malinga, brings his arm from mid-off so the hyperextentions will be towards mid-off and, hence, visible from directly in front.
lol sanjay is getting owned, indians please. shoaib does not chuck, and you know he doesn't chuck. just because he destroys tendulkar all the time, it don't mean you have to be sour about it.
@Moeine93 Sachin destroying Shoaib very good joke sachin fucked ur fast bowlers wasim waqar and shoaib time and time again remember 2003 world cup how he hit shoaib,,s gand all round the park mc grath got sachin out more than shoaib even he agreed sachin was the best batsman of any era y is ur paki assess burning . Sachin still no.1 batsman even after 20 odd years shoaib retired and dropped haha thats more than enough may be chucker needs more drugs to bowl speed.
he is a clear chucker..........hyperextension means ur elbow goes in the reverse direction beyond the outstretched elbow but Shoaib bowls with a bent arm.and straightens it...
Front cam shows RP Sing's arm as straight (even though side view shows it isn't) because his arm rotates on a vertical arc. The reason the front cam shows shoaibs arm as crooked is because Shoaib's arm starts behind his back and has a horizontal component to it's motion. He doesn't chuck any more than RP Singh, or McGrath or Lillee. If you stop old slow motion vids of Lillee and Thomson from speed test videos you can see a 15-30 degree angle at the elbow due to hyper-extension.
I don't think that there is any point in calling him a chucker, even though he does hyperextend there is literally no control over the fingers to take advantage of what a throw could offer. In fact it's more of a hinderance - try and extend your arm back as far as possible and see how much power you have in your hands...
i dont like the action myself, but to hell with it, let him play. there are lots of bowlers who do that, shaun tait is one. i want them playing cricket. years ago nobody would have complained about it and there would be no way to make a decision. let the umpire during a match to decide on whether each ball, on a ball by ball basis, is legal.
This is bad news. shoaib uses it as an excuse cz he was born with hyper extension. If i was born with a bowling machine at the end of my arm would you let me play? ban them its not cricket its baseball. They might aswell stand and pitch it. strike 3! what a joke cricket is now. get it sorted someone at the top
@noteatpig2getha The main factor is, through the rotation of the bowling arm, the shoulder, elbow and the hand should be in a straight line as much as possible, and the side-on motion of Shoaib in this video completely satisfies that. Now, as for your part of him being suspicious at the point of release, that's simply whip lash, any bowler bowling with that speed and power would have a fair bit of it, you can look up Steyn's, Lee's, Tait's, Flintoff's, and even HARBAJHAN's actions.
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u shit head...now thats wat u call a true loser!!! v r talkin cricket nd shoaib here!!! PAKISTAN nd india records tell who is the superior one!!!havin 100 carore of population,u cud neva have a better record against us!!!keep cryin nd look 4 pacemen but u'll neva eva find a bowler like him!!!i pitty u guys...
i used to chuck during high school cricket.. but i carefully hid it with long loose sleeves like shoaib... it got me quick wickets and increased my pace n i got respect from opposition who thought i was genuinly that fast... so thank you shoaib bhai.. keep chucking... u hav my vote...
its too late to do anything.. he has played many matches so they can't ban him...
yeah thats coz unlike Paki Porkies....we don't violate the rules..whether it is to do with Cricket or with diplomatic ties and especially illegal terrorist infiltration...u get that Paki Loser?....i hope u do.....coz u need to do something about ur country which despite getting independence a day before India is no where in comparison with economic growth, defence, security and integrity...ok??..so all the best i hope ur nation comes atleast CLOSE to India in Something !!!!
good for shoab that he has hyper extension but doesnt mean its an excuse to chuck it, its so obviously not a normaly bowling action from this video it needs to be stopped or more people will do it. its spoiling cricket. there are a few ways to combat chucking, either allow it and make the wicket 25yrds long to increase reaction time for batsman or just ban it altogether and make bowlers change their action or they simply wont be allowed to bowl.
What about Shoaib's action when he is shooting steroids into his arm with a needle? Is there a certain amount of straightening allowed there too? Also, can he do that during his run-up?
yes, I agree. He definitely does chuck the ball. Also he has been banned for taking steroids to enhance his cricket performance which makes him an even greater thrower. I think everyone including Richie Benaud should worship the man for taking as much steroids as he has and still being allowed to throw the ball at batsmen all over the world.
u r just moarning coz u indians could never produce such talent. its his natural energy that he can bowl 100m/h. coz drugs cant give u consistancy, and he is in national team for last 7+ years. u do not have any valid/sensible reasons to argue,like i said,u r skinheads.
Someone who shoots up on steroids like he did is not a sportsman and any achievement he made in his career amounts to nothing. He built that strength in his arm by using steroids.
If you guys lined a cannon up and bowled with it you'd be saying the same thing. "Oh the cannon has got us hundreds of wickets. It has been consistent. There is nothing wrong with its action. Just coz you guys cant find a cannon to bowl with ur f'n jealous rofl'
@Skindoggiedog Perhaps missing facts? The drugs were a result of some sort of medication he was advised on his former injury. You honestly think he'd not be banned if it was "to enhance performance"? Ridiculous.
@born2rock92 - He was banned for two years for using steroids. What world are you living in? One where he wasn't banned for using steroids for two years, obviously.
@Skindoggiedog Which is why I've said you're completely off the facts. He was heard and the ban was COMPLETELY removed, since it was proved the Nandrolone he tested positive for was due to a medication, which he handed over to the officials for absolute proof. What world are YOU living in? With absolutely no facts obviously.
hahahahaha.indianz r yet to produce a fast wicket taking bowler they just cant get one and they cant see other getting one lol but hey We got Asif now he took 51 wickets in 9 matches..btw where is Irfan Pathan havnt seen him in a whyl..lolz
Well...lets move to a different part of the globe, Australia may be. The land of convicts which has produced cricket teams filled with drug addicts,alcoholics,rapists and racist umpires. Not to mention squash balls in gloves, Aluminum bats, Under arm deliveries,graphite bats and the chuckers that no one talks about since they are Australian , BRET LEE AND SEAN TAIT.
since when do Brett lee and Saun tait chuck you fucking wanker and the graphite bat insodent was bullshit it was just a thin layer on the back to make the bat stronger it didn't make the bat have anymore power and the aliminum bat who cares he didn't even get to use it so stop ya crying
No, he's not 'chucking' it, i've got the same elbows, and thumbs actually, so i bowl like that, but i certainly don't shy at the stumps in that way, then i chuck it. Murali, is harder to judge as a comparison, if you try his action, to generate that extra spin, is really an effort without some forward elbow bend.
dude how many times has this happend? 3 fuckin times!! everytime hes been cleared...flying to south africa flying to australia....and the dumbass cant even notice that shoaibs hyperextenion is way more than rp singhs
since you know so much, was shoaib bowling at 150kph then? he might have a legal delivery, but his fast ones are surely chucks. cant you see in the video?
Michael Holding is famous for spotting suspicious actions. Instead of directly calling them chuckers(fear of getting reprimanded) he tries to say it in a scientific way.
I think this is the best evidence out there that describes Akthar's action. Whether or not he is chucking will depend on what the observer wants to believe.
Clearly Akhtar is chucking. It is very evident. but hold on guys, Brett Lee has agreed to change his bowling action to make it proper since his action was doubted.But why doesn't Akhtar change. He is unnecessarily putting on a show. And he does doping. He is a cheater. And it is funny to hear that he is not able to play the World Cup because of his injuries. Only his mom would believe his lies
Not only that, but he has double joints and bowls 10-20 mph faster than singh. The amount of stress Akhtar puts on his joints is way more than singh and therefore, his arm bends more. I expected more maturity and intelligence from Holding.
hyperextension please.... he chucks
doctorcd 6 days ago
This is why biomechanics experts, and not former bowlers, should do the biomechanical analysis. RP Singh's arm moves in line with the trajectory of the ball so 100% of the hyperextension will be in the opposite direction which is why it's not visible from directly in front. Shoaib, on the other hand, like Malinga, brings his arm from mid-off so the hyperextentions will be towards mid-off and, hence, visible from directly in front.
ihamoitc2005 4 months ago 2
HE CHUCKS N OTHERS COME UP WITH THEORIES TO SUPPORT....
HES PROPABLY PAID BY PAK MEDIA...
kuthmath 5 months ago
HYPER EXTENSION...MY ASS.....THATS DEFENITE CHUCKING MATEE....
kuthmath 5 months ago
YES HE IS A CHUCKER
rodtorre7 5 months ago
Yes, Shoaib Akhtar does chuck/throw the ball when bowling!
Crkt4Eva 6 months ago
lol sanjay is getting owned, indians please. shoaib does not chuck, and you know he doesn't chuck. just because he destroys tendulkar all the time, it don't mean you have to be sour about it.
Moeine93 10 months ago
@Moeine93 Sachin destroying Shoaib very good joke sachin fucked ur fast bowlers wasim waqar and shoaib time and time again remember 2003 world cup how he hit shoaib,,s gand all round the park mc grath got sachin out more than shoaib even he agreed sachin was the best batsman of any era y is ur paki assess burning . Sachin still no.1 batsman even after 20 odd years shoaib retired and dropped haha thats more than enough may be chucker needs more drugs to bowl speed.
Mumbaiwaala 7 months ago
@Mumbaiwaala Your a idiot.
MrZiiine 4 months ago
@MrZiiine and u r supporter of chucktar
Mumbaiwaala 4 months ago
@Moeine93 I agree don't try to make excuses because our bowlers destroy Sachin
mrmudskids 3 months ago
fuck off
nit23ish 11 months ago
he's a chucker nuff said
freedomsoldier187 1 year ago
SHOAIB CHUCKTAR EXPOSED
FASTEST BOWLER MY DICK
rodtorre7 1 year ago
@rodtorre7 He was proved Innocent
rodtorre7=MY DICK
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maryamfariha 1 year ago
he is a clear chucker..........hyperextension means ur elbow goes in the reverse direction beyond the outstretched elbow but Shoaib bowls with a bent arm.and straightens it...
A disgrace to cricket...
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venkat2212 11 months ago
Front cam shows RP Sing's arm as straight (even though side view shows it isn't) because his arm rotates on a vertical arc. The reason the front cam shows shoaibs arm as crooked is because Shoaib's arm starts behind his back and has a horizontal component to it's motion. He doesn't chuck any more than RP Singh, or McGrath or Lillee. If you stop old slow motion vids of Lillee and Thomson from speed test videos you can see a 15-30 degree angle at the elbow due to hyper-extension.
ihamoitc2005 1 year ago
I have that sort of hyperextension with my left leg
leonidasaa 1 year ago
This is sick.... shoib is the best bowler the world has ever seen... and this hyperextension proves that hez the man ..made for this job....
even murli steyn and many otherz were called chuckerz ...i bet shoib doesnt gives a fuck about it....
NISARZIA 1 year ago
I don't think that there is any point in calling him a chucker, even though he does hyperextend there is literally no control over the fingers to take advantage of what a throw could offer. In fact it's more of a hinderance - try and extend your arm back as far as possible and see how much power you have in your hands...
philscartoons 1 year ago
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so brett lee is the fastest
adsonkool 2 years ago
akhtar is hte fastest ever
hassanbinrasheed 2 years ago 2
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hassanbinrasheed 2 years ago
good video, well explained and impartial tv.
i dont like the action myself, but to hell with it, let him play. there are lots of bowlers who do that, shaun tait is one. i want them playing cricket. years ago nobody would have complained about it and there would be no way to make a decision. let the umpire during a match to decide on whether each ball, on a ball by ball basis, is legal.
jawsboris72 2 years ago
This is bad news. shoaib uses it as an excuse cz he was born with hyper extension. If i was born with a bowling machine at the end of my arm would you let me play? ban them its not cricket its baseball. They might aswell stand and pitch it. strike 3! what a joke cricket is now. get it sorted someone at the top
tomtubeboob 2 years ago
you know people love to see when you both nations fight and you keep fighting, i dont know when you think about humanity not religion
getrichordieyounger 3 years ago
and theres nothign u can do about it.. its natural for me
lyonnaisbarca 3 years ago
omg i was so pissed about people calling me a chucker that i actually took a video on it and from front on it looks exactly like shoaibs bowling..
lyonnaisbarca 3 years ago
"from front on it looks exactly like shoaibs bowling.."
Cheating chucker - learn how to bowl.
noteatpig2getha 2 years ago
i can't, its a natural thing with my arm
lyonnaisbarca 2 years ago
It's not the hyperextension in the action that worries me - it's the throw that he employs after the arm comes over.
noteatpig2getha 2 years ago
@noteatpig2getha The main factor is, through the rotation of the bowling arm, the shoulder, elbow and the hand should be in a straight line as much as possible, and the side-on motion of Shoaib in this video completely satisfies that. Now, as for your part of him being suspicious at the point of release, that's simply whip lash, any bowler bowling with that speed and power would have a fair bit of it, you can look up Steyn's, Lee's, Tait's, Flintoff's, and even HARBAJHAN's actions.
born2rock92 1 year ago
And I meant to add - using a conventional action rather than the sling action would take any doubt out of the equation.
noteatpig2getha 2 years ago
good bowling.
panjabiwarrior 3 years ago
Illegal ball.
mullingman 3 years ago 2
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u shit head...now thats wat u call a true loser!!! v r talkin cricket nd shoaib here!!! PAKISTAN nd india records tell who is the superior one!!!havin 100 carore of population,u cud neva have a better record against us!!!keep cryin nd look 4 pacemen but u'll neva eva find a bowler like him!!!i pitty u guys...
helpless dick heads
wiknikky 3 years ago
shoaib is my insparation..
i used to chuck during high school cricket.. but i carefully hid it with long loose sleeves like shoaib... it got me quick wickets and increased my pace n i got respect from opposition who thought i was genuinly that fast... so thank you shoaib bhai.. keep chucking... u hav my vote...
its too late to do anything.. he has played many matches so they can't ban him...
lexlr8 3 years ago
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babyyyy u'll seee!!!
he will return nd fuck ur mothers u indianz!!!
infact,ur sisters!!! becuz ur momz r pretty uglyyy!!!
none of ur bowlers cud eva bowl at that pace!!!
u brought bowlers from punjab, bengal,nepal,gujrat, but cud neva find a paceman like him!!!
so shut ur ass nd sit there cryin!!!
wiknikky 3 years ago
yeah thats coz unlike Paki Porkies....we don't violate the rules..whether it is to do with Cricket or with diplomatic ties and especially illegal terrorist infiltration...u get that Paki Loser?....i hope u do.....coz u need to do something about ur country which despite getting independence a day before India is no where in comparison with economic growth, defence, security and integrity...ok??..so all the best i hope ur nation comes atleast CLOSE to India in Something !!!!
victorioussss 3 years ago
how can a batsman enjoy cricket with a 0.4 of a second time to react, its dangerous.
tomtubeboob 3 years ago
good for shoab that he has hyper extension but doesnt mean its an excuse to chuck it, its so obviously not a normaly bowling action from this video it needs to be stopped or more people will do it. its spoiling cricket. there are a few ways to combat chucking, either allow it and make the wicket 25yrds long to increase reaction time for batsman or just ban it altogether and make bowlers change their action or they simply wont be allowed to bowl.
tomtubeboob 3 years ago 2
CHUCKER!!! INDEED
Lowpostdefence 3 years ago
Now that micheal holding the great West Indian quick is criticising his action not Indians .
minikkutty 3 years ago
he is not criticizing he is explaining the difference
Afzaalkhan 3 years ago
Perhaps the "Indian" part in West Indian have them confused about it. ;)
LogicInc25 3 years ago
Shoaib's Action is perfectly normal. ICC has cleared it so no fuss. all haters shut the hell up you bitches.
supermanpaki 4 years ago
What about Shoaib's action when he is shooting steroids into his arm with a needle? Is there a certain amount of straightening allowed there too? Also, can he do that during his run-up?
Skindoggiedog 4 years ago 2
whats wrong with u skinhead.
aromeo21 3 years ago
yes, I agree. He definitely does chuck the ball. Also he has been banned for taking steroids to enhance his cricket performance which makes him an even greater thrower. I think everyone including Richie Benaud should worship the man for taking as much steroids as he has and still being allowed to throw the ball at batsmen all over the world.
Skindoggiedog 3 years ago
u r just moarning coz u indians could never produce such talent. its his natural energy that he can bowl 100m/h. coz drugs cant give u consistancy, and he is in national team for last 7+ years. u do not have any valid/sensible reasons to argue,like i said,u r skinheads.
aromeo21 3 years ago
Someone who shoots up on steroids like he did is not a sportsman and any achievement he made in his career amounts to nothing. He built that strength in his arm by using steroids.
If you guys lined a cannon up and bowled with it you'd be saying the same thing. "Oh the cannon has got us hundreds of wickets. It has been consistent. There is nothing wrong with its action. Just coz you guys cant find a cannon to bowl with ur f'n jealous rofl'
It's still fucking cheating.
Skindoggiedog 3 years ago
keep moarning. u deserve it.skinhead.
aromeo21 3 years ago
5 years.
Yes. He does deserve that.
Skindoggiedog 3 years ago 2
@Skindoggiedog Perhaps missing facts? The drugs were a result of some sort of medication he was advised on his former injury. You honestly think he'd not be banned if it was "to enhance performance"? Ridiculous.
born2rock92 1 year ago
@born2rock92 - He was banned for two years for using steroids. What world are you living in? One where he wasn't banned for using steroids for two years, obviously.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
@Skindoggiedog Which is why I've said you're completely off the facts. He was heard and the ban was COMPLETELY removed, since it was proved the Nandrolone he tested positive for was due to a medication, which he handed over to the officials for absolute proof. What world are YOU living in? With absolutely no facts obviously.
born2rock92 1 year ago
NO it isn't
allfieldsreq 3 years ago
Murali chucks, Shoaib chucks, Tait chucks. I'd put it at 60%, 100%, 10% of the time respectively.
Skindoggiedog 4 years ago 2
nooooooo bbbbaaaaallll
stevenlikescricket 4 years ago 2
HEHE, explain no ball
snkhan 4 years ago
pakis theres rules in cricket follow them or dont play
Brownout1 4 years ago
DONT SAY 'PAKI WANKER MOTHER FUCK!
arfanrasul 4 years ago
Danish Only Play in Test Matches since he is not a proper ODI bowler and Pakistan is playing india 2mrw..Best team will win..;)
Boyrulezz 4 years ago
hahahahaha.indianz r yet to produce a fast wicket taking bowler they just cant get one and they cant see other getting one lol but hey We got Asif now he took 51 wickets in 9 matches..btw where is Irfan Pathan havnt seen him in a whyl..lolz
Boyrulezz 4 years ago
he should b coming on i reckon ....
but wat bout danesh kaneria
shaztokyo55 4 years ago
Well...lets move to a different part of the globe, Australia may be. The land of convicts which has produced cricket teams filled with drug addicts,alcoholics,rapists and racist umpires. Not to mention squash balls in gloves, Aluminum bats, Under arm deliveries,graphite bats and the chuckers that no one talks about since they are Australian , BRET LEE AND SEAN TAIT.
geethike 4 years ago
go and have a bowl of curry with your 27 brothers you cunt
pauly650 4 years ago
since when do Brett lee and Saun tait chuck you fucking wanker and the graphite bat insodent was bullshit it was just a thin layer on the back to make the bat stronger it didn't make the bat have anymore power and the aliminum bat who cares he didn't even get to use it so stop ya crying
lunchbox722591 4 years ago
No, he's not 'chucking' it, i've got the same elbows, and thumbs actually, so i bowl like that, but i certainly don't shy at the stumps in that way, then i chuck it. Murali, is harder to judge as a comparison, if you try his action, to generate that extra spin, is really an effort without some forward elbow bend.
Edrakiss 4 years ago
dude how many times has this happend? 3 fuckin times!! everytime hes been cleared...flying to south africa flying to australia....and the dumbass cant even notice that shoaibs hyperextenion is way more than rp singhs
faraz875 4 years ago
since you know so much, was shoaib bowling at 150kph then? he might have a legal delivery, but his fast ones are surely chucks. cant you see in the video?
neeladrisen 4 years ago
Michael Holding is famous for spotting suspicious actions. Instead of directly calling them chuckers(fear of getting reprimanded) he tries to say it in a scientific way.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
I think this is the best evidence out there that describes Akthar's action. Whether or not he is chucking will depend on what the observer wants to believe.
vcoona 4 years ago
yes, akhtar chucks the ball .. becuz he can .. and u indians can't
khuramkhan 4 years ago
Clearly Akhtar is chucking. It is very evident. but hold on guys, Brett Lee has agreed to change his bowling action to make it proper since his action was doubted.But why doesn't Akhtar change. He is unnecessarily putting on a show. And he does doping. He is a cheater. And it is funny to hear that he is not able to play the World Cup because of his injuries. Only his mom would believe his lies
goldking12 4 years ago
chuckers, dopers,dancers, tamperers and match abondeners. Great Pakistan team!
therightgame3 4 years ago
look at shoulder.. elbo..rist...they r not in line....simple man... this f..ker is a chucker!! he does that with steroids as an extra kick!
these type of chuckers r no where nearer to great wasim akram. most of the indians respect and idolise wasim akram.
visweshwara 5 years ago
For gods sake. Let him go and play cricket. Of course hes bowling legaly.
Jonno1234 5 years ago
yeah that's kinda chucking..
mairug 5 years ago
Not only that, but he has double joints and bowls 10-20 mph faster than singh. The amount of stress Akhtar puts on his joints is way more than singh and therefore, his arm bends more. I expected more maturity and intelligence from Holding.
dilogi 5 years ago