OMG, THESE "pro-lifers" make me so sick!!!!!! Do you really care about either women or babies?! No, you just want to collect anti-abortion voices for a dominant, wealthy political party, you don't care for women, you think her pregnancy is her fault, this isn't a man's problem. You call single mothers "whores and sluts" ( yeah, ultimate sign of christianity and high morals), instead of lending a helpful hand. You just don't care for mothers whose lives are in danger, you don't do anything
for this unfortunate problem, for example encouraging scientific research in order to save BOTH, not just a tiny fetus. You dont' really care about raped women, it's because they "dressed like a whore" ( another noble demonstration of christian morality) and "seduced" their rapists. You want women to be silent, subservient to men, like "good old days' just because Paul said so ( blast him!!!), to be reproductive animals, just because Bible, not so "flawless" book
On the other hand, I know "liberals" too, supporters of porn, prostitution, strip-clubs, I know perverted macho misogynists who say disgusting "jokes" about women, beating their wives, believing themselves as "real men" ( perhaps influenced by Eminem, or Metallica groups). Two kind of scum still runs American society, two kind of miasma creates a despicable potion, smelling worse than shit.
13th generation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bickering amongst yourselves like two monstruous beings to prove you're "respectable, honorable people", yet both of you are poisoning the air, polluting the whole earth, the WHOLE PLANET. You just disgust me, I just wanna puke on you, STFU, you primitive, vengeful society living by the old principle of eye for an eye, where violence, fighting, torture, insults, immorality are as normal as breathing
Our body belongs to our creator and He commands us not to KILL! We are just stewards and should remain stewards of our Lord. NO TO ABORTION!!!! Children are are blessing from God and should remain that way. He has a reason for all of the good things... namely a child being conceived.
@slaughterhouseunited what about all of the fertilized eggs that are naturally ejected because they didnt latch onto the uterine wall? this occurs naturally all the time! you are basing this on a very outdated book. the argument presented here is quite invalid btw. just thought youd want to know. and knowing is half the battle.
Why do people think abortion is ok? As a mother, my child is more precious than even my life. I don't have the right to kill someone because they inconvenience me (say I was takig care of a person who had a person with Downs or was paraplegic). So why can I kill a baby because it's below a certain age? Yes, they depend on me, but they are a separate human with separate DNA, separate organs, ect.
IF SHE WAS RAPED AND THE PERSON WHO RAPED HER HAD A DISEASE AND IT INFECTS THE BABY THE BABY HAS THAT DISEASE AND SHE DOESNT WANT THE BABY TO INFECT OTHERS AND IF THE PREGNANCY MIGHT KILL THE MOTHER THEN IF SHE WANTS IT THEN THATS HER CHOICE, IT WASNT HER FAULT AND SHE AINT ASK FOR THE BABY TO BE HERRE. BUT IF SHE JUS GOES ROUND FUCKIN FROM DICK TO DICK NO PROTECTION AND GETS PREGNANT AND SHE WANTS TO HAVE IT THEN I FEEL ITS WRONG CUS THE BABY AINT ASKED TO BE HERRE.
@UMANEDAKIDD19 That's a valid point and I used to feel the same way however it is a mother's (or any parent's) duty to protect their child at all costs because they are helpless and have no one to speak for them except for their parents. You have to be a parent to understand this completely. You keep saying it's HER choice and not HER fault but what about the baby? Is it the baby's fault? The baby's choice? No one ever has the right to take another life.
As a liberal, I'm at odds with most others who share my spot on the political spectrum.
I don't disagree with abortion because it is "killing a baby," but because it is, to me, unequivocally a breach of the rights of man. A youtube comment box obviously does not have sufficient room to explain my position, but I disagree with it purely from a philosophical prospective. In a similar way that Christopher Hitchens disagrees with it. (Which I was surprised to discover.)
@Mysteryskatin there is always adoption. however some genes i think that the woman should have the choice of whether or not those are allowed to continue.
A fetus is a part of a woman's body. It affects a woman's body in biologically, physically significant ways. Killing the fetus has an effect on the woman's physical health in a huge way.
A toddler is not part of a woman's body. It does not affect a woman's body in biologically, physically significant ways. Killing a toddler does not have an effect on the woman's physical health at all.
Why can't fundies just leave our bodies alone? It seems like they're obsessed with where people put their wieners and seeing women as walking incubators
What goes on inside of our bodies is none of your business, go away
October 5, 2011, No, it is not the woman's choice. GOD makes and creates every Baby. GOD puts His Holy Spirit and a fully developed Baby into the man's sperm and that tiny being of Light and Spirit has a Soul and that fully formed Baby sperm travels into the womb of a lady and when that body of the Baby is fully grown, then the Baby is born. The man gave the Baby the Spirit of GOD so the Man has more right over the Baby than the Lady. Just like the seed in a tomatoe, gives a tomatoe.
@MASTER105175 But I think you would agree that a tomato seed is not a grown tomato plant. If someone throws away a tomato seed, would you cry in dismay, you burned my crops? Is an egg a chicken? This really is not that hard.
@MASTER105175 It's very obvious that you are a man because no woman in her right mind would say something like that. So I'm going to say this now, no man has a say in what I do with my body. If I was pregnant, and the child endangered my life, I would abort it. If I was raped, I would abort. It would be my body, my decision. Your arrogance is astonishing. Apparently you flunked Biology because you would realize that with out a woman's egg, a man's sperm would be useless. Think about that.
Rape, incest, and scenarios in which being pregnant makes the death of the mother likely... those need to be taken into consideration. I have a somewhat complicated view on abortion, as most people do... I don't think it should be painted as a black or white issue. It is incredibly complicated.
Some people like to euphemize abortion to make themselves feel better about it. They call it infant cleansing, blob removal, birth control, gentlecide, war against terrorist babies, kind and gentle murder, and convenience killing.
Those innocent unborn babies, however, don't understand those words. I imagine that all they understand as they are being torn out of the womb is pain, fear, and grief.
So, Mr. pro-choice, still want to preach humanity to Iran?
Seeing as how this video response probably won't get approved, which just goes to further show the antilibertarian, ignorant behaviour typical to many hardline Christians and pro-lifers, here it is: v=362kL0AoGXI
Here in Germany, abortion is legal up to the 3rd month of pregnancy. By that time, the baby is neither sentient nor conscious, it is as aware of its surroundings as a bacteria, an amoeba, or an ant if you will. If you oppose abortion because it is killing life, you must never take medicine and always have a broom handy to avoid stepping on insects, because everything else is just hypocrisy.
I love Conservatives. They are sooo eager to attempt to save unborn fetuses, but as soon as that baby is born to, let's say, a poor woman on unemployment, that child is instantly a leech on our economy to them. And they could give a crap if that baby starves.
@Dire327 There are over 12 million illegals in this country helping themselves to our tax dollars, and you're crying about feeding American babies? wow....
@Dire327 why? because we expect people to take care of their kids? work and try to earn a living? and besides, what has your argument got to do with the issue of abortion?
So if he was about to blow up a building containing an IVF laboratory he'd become a mass murderer? This argument is bogus. The pro-lifers want there to be no abortions. An unattainable goal.
The real choice is between safe regulated abortions and dangerous illegal back alley abortions where women (fully developed human life) die. Who are the real pro-lifers here?
Personally i'm against abortion. But I am also a supporter of the greatest gift (i believe) God granted us ...free will. We can makes mistakes....and if you do so you will reap that which you sow. Free will is often trolloped around like its peoples own deserved right so they are justified in ANYTHING they do. I am not a supporter in those that make hasty "important" decisions without first understanding all the issues at hand.
I love how in America you'll go to jail for Murder, but yet we have Abortions. KILLING a baby, babies have DNA, Blood, Veins, Organs, feelings! Now how is a unborn baby not a human? I always hear oh it's women rights, they can't support a child, it's inconvenient to have a child.
What about the unborn babies rights?
If you don't want it, give the the child to someone who WANTS a child.
What has America become? :(
I hope Jesus comes soon before all he'll breaks lose.
@MexicannAsiann15 LOL unborn babies have no rights. Murderers go to jail because they are a threat to society. Babies are aborted not because they've done anything wrong, but because the parents cant take care of them. The same thing will happen with subsidized healthcare, and is happening right now. We cant take care of all the sick people, so the sick people will either get better on their own, free clinic, or die. Rights amount to simple logistics of freedom. We cant all have em.
@vidfreak56 well if Parents cant have them like i said place them to a household who does want them. Abortion is just horrfic, you would agree if you seen the photos, have you?
@MexicannAsiann15 Sure ...give them to someone that wants them if there is such a person. The parents, or caregivers would have to pay for not only the nourishment of the baby, but also of the mother, else shed never have it to begin with. You cant force it however. Some would rather have the option than be forced. Even if you tried to, it'd still be done anyways. Horrific? Of course. So's a starving person or someone who's dying of cancer but has no HC. You cant be picky.
The fetus is human in nature, has human DNA and is alive. How can its nature not be human if it is alive and has human DNA? It is a false premise that someone is not human until he/she is fully developed. If its not human in nature, then what is it? If its human in nature, then what gives anyone the right to kill it?
@miket1m I'm not a koo Koo clown, Nor a serial killer. Put simply I have a lower value of life then you. I simply see the benefits of abortion, while weighing them with the negative aspects, and conclude in my opinion that the benefits outweigh the negative effects. There is no need for insults, and I would love to debate the subject and gain some perspectives beyond my own, if we could treat the subject with the humble respect it deserves.
I support abortion, if you got it by accident, rape or if you just don't want it. When it's born and older you should place it in a home, no child deserves to live with a family that doesn't want it.
@ConlangFan Why didn't they abort your ass? That would probably have been the right thing to do along with the rest who think like you on here. Fucking Nazi.
@miket1m Yo! Your first sentence was irrelevant. And since you don't have a single fuckin' reason to be against it, I'm taking your comment as a joke. And the nazis didn't support abortion, btw.
Did you learn history in school? Do you have any idea what the holocaust was all about in Nazi Germany during the late 30's and early 40's? If you compare Germany's Nazi holocaust and America's abortion holocaust you'll see there is practically no difference between the mindset of holocaust then and now. As with slavery in early America, killing Jews in Nazi Germany, or killing babies in America today.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. So how do you get a country to allow humans to be treated worse than animals? You use euphemisms to convince people that these actions are justifiable, or even beneficial. Abortion advocates and America's largest Death Camp operator, Planned Parenthood, have elevated the dehumanization of holocaust victims to an art form with their 'pro-choice' rhetoric,
@miket1m Now you're just being irrelevant and stupid. You think you're cool and winning the conversation by just calling me brainless, everyone has one, nazi, my grand grandparents were killed by nazis thank you, and fuck, which shows how little you know about this.
@ConlangFan What is the difference between the Nazi Holocaust and todays abortion holocaust. Innocent human beings being slaughtered. The ideology and even the quotes from Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger are the same as Mengele and Vilis Kruze. There are 3 trimesters in a pregnancy. Only by determining how long the baby has been alive can the abortionist choose the most effective method to kill it. They kill babies all the way to the 3rd trimester.
@ConlangFan The root of abortion is in the deadness of the hearts of men and women. Just as life cannot come from death (unless by miracle), neither can the fruit of life come from a dead heart. From a dead heart comes death. That is why so many want death for the unborn. Death begets death; life begets life.
@miket1m So if you were a 16 year old girl, that got pregnant by a man that raped you, and he got away. Your family is poor, and you're studying. You have to use all of your time on the baby and get bad grades. When it is born you will have to use all your money on the baby and your family will starve. And both you and your child will die a miserable short-lifed death. Or take abortion and go on eiwth your studies, get a job and a good life :]
@ConlangFan You go from one extreme to the other. There are all types of agencies here in America that helps people in general. Rape is horrible, but why should the child in the womb pay for the sins of another? The baby is innocent of the offense, and his life doesn't need to be taken because of the act of another. To do this is unjust. What is in the womb is human, and killing it because of the act of another would be wrong.
@miket1m If the mother were raped, then a decision would be made that would effect the baby. We all choose for others. Regardless of whos fault you see it to be or not to be, if the mother chooses abortion, then thats the choice. The baby isnt innocent just because its a baby, and cant be provided for, anymore than a sick person is innocent because its not their fault they happened to get attacked by a virus and cant pay for healthcare.The reality is when money dries up, abortion will happen.
@ConlangFan It is a human being in nature. It has human DNA and is alive. A one cell animal is alive and what is in the mothers womb is more than a one cell animal.
@vidfreak56 Whats the difference? Human being, human life. What is the womb is human in nature and is alive and has human DNA. It is a life and to abort it is murder. Doctors don't like the term "Baby" so they change the name to "fetus" that way is much easier to end the childs life.
@miket1m That's because it's not a baby, it's a fetus. A baby is a young human outside the womb that is capable of breath and sight, where as a fetus is not.
@CollectiveRepression Hey moron, The term "fetus" is another name for an unborn baby. Even one-celled creatures are alive. Whats growing in the woman is more than a one-celled creature. Its a total lie that a person is not human until they are fully developed. The doctors are making tons of money on this practice. Planned Parenthood is making tons of money on this holocaust. I am just explaining things scientifically.
@miket1m Moron? You're quick to name names. Saying a fetus is a name for an unborn baby, what you're doing here is you're making an emotional appeal by giving it the title "baby" and just like how you did when you compared abortion with the holocaust (a logical fallacy jokingly called 'reductio ad hitlerum'). How is it a total lie that a fetus is not 'human?' Secondly, by saying one celled creatures possess life, doesn't mean that more complicated organisms do.
@CollectiveRepression Yeah Moron, because you're sounding like one. How is a total lie that a fetus is not a baby? Because it is a baby thats how it is a lie. This is how you earn the title Moron.
"by saying one celled creatures possess life, doesn't mean that more complicated organisms do." ~ Again,...Moron
@miket1m Lord, you're calling me a 'moron,' yet you use the prose and argument structure typical of an adolescent. "It is, because it is" and "It is because you're stupid" are your only points thus far. However, you have not managed to produce a bit of substantiation. A fetus is no more a baby than an preadolescent is a teenager. For example, a baby out of the womb is capable of minimal sight and the ability to breath, where as a fetus is not. Ad hominem insults won't get you far.
@CollectiveRepression So..., a person in a coma is not human. Is that what you're saying, idiot? Someone in an iron lung is not a human being? Yes definitely, moron.
@miket1m They are not a functional human being. Also, the circumstances behind someone being in a coma and someone being in an iron lung. Even so, if sustaining the person does more harm to the family/society I believe that they should be euthanized. Secondly, we weren't talking about calling a fetus human, for it surely is, we were talking about calling it a baby. You have brought up another point entirely. Can somebody say, "red herring?"
@CollectiveRepression "euthanized"? I'll tell you what, I think you should be euthanized, how about that? You think exactly like a Nazi. Truthfully, I can show you quotes from Nazis in the death camps like Mengela, who sounded just like you and your Nazi friend, the founder of Planned Parenthood. Nazi!
@miket1m Erm, do you mean, "Mengele?" What you've just done is continue your red herring argument, but also you've committed yet another logical fallacy the jokingly titled, "Reductio ad Hitlerum." I believe you must revert to such infantile arguments because you have no valid points to bring up, so you must equate me to a National Socialist because of the T-4 Euthanasia program. However, what about the United States eugenics programs of the 20s and 30s? Why not compare me to them?
@CollectiveRepression You can talki all of this YouTube terminology you want. It all comes down to, you and your fucked up way of thinking. You think like a Nazi. You think people in comas or iron lungs should be exterminated mercifully. You have no respect for human life and you're not worth communicating with. You are an out and out savage. Thats it.
@miket1m First off, I'm not using any YouTube terminology. Secondly, how is my method of thinking fucked up? Also, how do I have no respect for human life if I supports the needs of the majority over those of the minority. You can sit here and deal out any insult if that soothes the fact that you're arrogant and refuse to see that you're wrong. You're a savage for behaving in such a childish and uneducated manner.
You say you support the needs of the majority over those of the minority. You're using subjective morals rather than Objective morals. Subjective morals are morals that depend on you, your situation, culture, and your preferences. They can change, can become contradictory, and might differ from person to person. Obviously you're an atheist. In atheism there is no moral right or wrong There is no moral "should and shouldn't”
@miket1m Well to start off, it's important to note that I am not an Atheist. Secondly, I know what subjective morality is, you need not explain it to me. I agree that Atheism doesn't have an inherent moral code, however many atheists have moral codes because many philosophies don't require religion. I want to know why you think my moral code is subjective, rather than objective.
First of all atheist can be morally good, I agree, but having good morals doesn’t mean you have objective morals. You believe people less fortunate than we should be euthanized for the good of society. You maintain that the best moral system is that which brings the greatest happiness, the least amount of suffering, and the greatest freedom for as many people as possible. That does not work. Look at slavery for example.
The greatest happiness for the greatest number of people means that a minority of people should suffer in bondage. This way, the greatest amount of freedom for the majority is ensured. Do you think its wrong to enslave a minority to benefit the majority? If so, why is it wrong? It’s wrong because the minority is suffering, so what? Why is suffering wrong? It may be unpleasant.. But why is it morally wrong to oppress a minority to benefit the majority?
This is a subjective moral system that you are presenting thats based on human experience, human conditions, and human reason. This kind of moral evaluation is relativistic, dangerous, can change, can become self contradictory, and can lead to anarchy. When you remove God, you remove the standard by which objective moral truth is established. True morality is not merely an agreed on collection of concepts.
Objective morals: don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery, don't bear false witness, etc. These morals don’t change depending on your opinion, your situation, or your personal preferences. They're based on God’s character and since God doesn’t change, these morals don’t either. So, its always wrong to lie, to steal, to commit adultery, and to bear false witness, but not with subjective morals. Sure your not an atheist?
@miket1m Oh, I didn't see posts 2 and 3. Removing God has no effect on objective morality. For example, God forbids murder, yet in Numbers 25 he praises Phineas for killing the racially mixed couple. Another example, is the practice of Ban, where God commands his "chosen people" to rape foreign women, destroy foreign cities, kill their men and wipe out their cultures. These are two stark examples of contradiction in Judeo-Christian morals.
@CollectiveRepression You might as well be an atheist. You're probably lying. I can assure you that there are no contradictions in the Bible whatsoever. Objective morals are a reflection of God's character. You don't understand. Forget it.
@miket1m I might as well be an Atheist? I'm probably lying? No, we just don't have the same religious beliefs so you think I am an Atheist. I just pointed out two striking examples of biblical contradiction. Objectivity is lacking in bias. I do understand, but you don't seem to.
@CollectiveRepression I am telling you right now that they are not contradictions. You don't know the Bible. There are absolutely no contradictions in the Bi9ble whatsoever. Do a little more research and you will see they are not contradictions. Anyway, thats not the argument here.
@miket1m I'm curious to see how you would reconcile that as not being a contradiction. I assure you that I know the bible quite well. Also, you are right, the argument was about a fetus being a baby. It is important to note that you are the one who got us side-tracked.
@miket1m I don't believe that if someone is less fortunate than someone, then they should be sterilized. Before I elaborate, it is generally accepted that a good judge is an objective judge, something that applies to morals. I believe that those who do not benefit society shouldn't draw from it and put extra weight on their fellows, I'm not sure how that relates to slavery. But this is rather unrelated, as my point of contention was with your insistence on calling a fetus a baby.
@miket1m Actually, I do understand what you're saying, you're incapable of proving your own points. First, you say that a fetus is a baby and back down when you cannot prove that to be the case. Secondly, you make the claim of God being objective morality, however God says thou shalt not kill, however he sanctions the killings of Gentiles. God shows personal preference based off of the situation, therefore Judeo-Christian morals are subjective.
@CollectiveRepression I have proved that the fetus is an unborn baby. IOt has human DNA and is alive. It doesn't make a bit of difference what you think as far as God goes. You have no idea nor do you care to know anything about God. God is the Creator. He can do whatever He wants with Hid Creation. Who said that God has to be just? You have to know why He killed these people to understand. It doesn't matter. WE are not allowed to kill, that all that counts.
@miket1m First off, being human does not make fetus' a baby. While a fetus may be human, it is not a baby. Secondly, as the book of Numbers shows us, it was not God who performed the killings, but rather Israelites who wanted to stop race-mixing.
@CollectiveRepression Look, what is that you don't understand? Why is so hard for you? The child, who can't exercise its own will, is killed. And, in order to make the killing more palatable, the baby is called a "fetus", or "non-viable", or "not yet human", etc. This eases the conscience. Have you ever seen a sonogram of an abortion? You can see the 'non viable fetus' retracting from the instruments of death and seeking self preservation. It wants to live.
@CollectiveRepression Abortion is the ultimate in selfishness. It puts the mother's convenience and desires above the life of her own baby. With abortionists, the rights of the baby are sacrificed for the rights of the mother, and the father forget him, he doesn't even have any rights. The mother cries out that the life in her is part of her body and that she has the right to do with her body as she wills. Animals don't kill what is in their own wombs. Humans are the only ones who do this.
@miket1m Abortion is not the ultimate act of selfishness. Also, one of the primary reasons for getting an abortion are the child. Most of the people who get abortions are from low-income families and either are not properly educated in sex, have a history of sexual abuse within the family and even high rape rates in the area. In fact, abortion can help ensure that a potential child would get a better life when the parents are ready, hence why abortion rates are inversely linked to crime rates.
@miket1m Please read my other posts. Also, I don't appreciate such barbaric and childish insults. I can only assume from the amount of fallacies you have produced thus far that you are either uneducated or being driven by pure emotion (or perhaps both.) We've been over this, fetus' aren't babies. Also, how is murder always wrong when God condones it on numerous occasions in the bible (assuming that is your basis for morality).
@gorilla199uncensored What do you call what your talking? Maybe keep your dick in your pants and you won't have a problem or responsibility of raising a child.
@miket1m The word Fetus has existed before the concept of abortion and remains the correct term for what it is. A fetus is a "developing mammal or other viviparous vertebrate after the embryonic stage and before birth." To be a baby, birth must first happen. You're doing exactly what you claim "they" do, using equivocation to make your side of the argument seem more appealing. I've never before witnessed such intellectual dishonesty.
@miket1m A human being can be defined in many different ways. Just because the fetus has DNA doesnt mean anything. A fetus also lacks many other fully grown features so its not called a baby. A fetus is a developing human baby...this is the definition. You just want to project evil onto people so you can rationalize your point of view. In the end most doctors are realists and dont need to dehumanize a fetus to abort it. They understand abortion is necessary.
You assume it isn't human, even though its alive and has human DNA, and then pass judgment that it is not a person. You must define what makes a person before you can make this kind of claim. Is being a person limited to attributes of thought, walking, awareness, etc., or is it an issue of the nature and essence of the life? A person is still a person even if he cannot think, walk, or be self aware, as someone in a coma.
Personhood is not defined by function alone, but also by essence and nature. To separate the two, function and essence, is to improperly define what a person is. The fetus has the nature of a human and is injured by killing.
Does that mean the mother should have no feelings about the life thats been removed from her womb? If it isn't a person, then there should be absolutely no guilt at all with killing the life in the womb, correct?
@miket1m Because they are programmed to feel guilt. Just like most people feel guilty about not giving when they could have at the end of their life or passing by an accident and not helping. Mothers understand that they arent strong enough to do so, so they feel shame because of what society imprints upon them. Remember a long time ago abortion happened and was considered acceptable. Not that you should.
Sorry but psychological harm isnt enough to stop it. They get over it.
@miket1m Essence? LOL a neologism. Youll have to define that one for me. What exactly is the essence of a fetus? It has the "nature of a human"? So what? It may do human things in the womb, but that doesnt mean its automatically a person. Degrees of personhood (child to adult) makes that hard to say.
No feelings? Some do. Some dont. But I could say the same to anyone who, for example, doesnt give to the needy. Its subject to a persons belief. Should she feel guilty? Nothing says this.
@miket1m LOL project whatever you must onto me in order to try to prove your point. You're nothing more than a stupid idealist. Reality dictates what happens in the world, not ideology. You want to stop abortion? Then do something about it instead of just ranting in chat forums. Until then, abortion is here to stay.
@miket1m NO I dont call it a person or a human being because its confusing. I call it a fetus or human life. Define a person? Ok that can go as far back as a mans sperm if were saying having dna makes it a person. So if I have no brain at birth, then does the fact that I have human form make me a person? You are your personality and your reason, not the form you take. I would say a person in a coma is still a person assuming they arent brain dead. Otherwise they arent, or are partially.
@miket1m LOL the root of abortion is lack of proper job opportunities, healthcare, education, ideology, psychology. And yes that some people have "dead hearts", or are apathetic towards other humans (sociopaths and what not). Life can come indirectly from life. You eat meat? Regardless of your answer, meat from anyone sustains other life and keeps that life going (through cell support). Your answers are more complex than you make them.
The womans choice? BS its her body and my sperm. Its the choice of both parties. If the man is out of the picture, then id let the woman decide, but otherwise, hell no!
Whats in a womans womb is human life. Its a human fetus, but is it a human being? What is considered a human being is typically dependent on what a person means. Value? Clearly not what abortions for. If you cant take care of the baby, then you abort it for its own good and yours. Trust me.
@miket1m A child isnt a choice? Yes it is a choice. You either choose to take care of it or you choose to neglect it. A child has no choices. Its all up to the parents. Abortion saves the child from negligent parents, who will probably just fuck it up, or worse, kill it anyways. Unfair? Of course it is, but lifes unfair. Unless people want to step up and do something about it.
It's not a "woman's body", it's two bodies at this point in question. If it weren't, millions of both women, AND men, wouldn't be emotionally devastated after the fact. If it's a wart, or a tumor, you're relieved it's gone. The same sense of relief and satisfaction does not come from removing a growing fetus..no matter what your beliefs are.
But, that said, PLEASE! DON'T be self-righteous about it, wearing people down to make your point. Be gentle like Christ. Remember, forgive them, for they..
If that guy pointed a microphone at me & started asking ,e those wide ass comments I'd punch his lights out. At the end of the day can we all say with 100% certainty that the interviewer will NEVER be in the position to have to make that emotional decision to terminate or continue with a pregnancy
@Barrhead30 If I found out later that you wanted me aborted when I was still inside me Mum, I'd come and kick your fuckin arse, ya antilife cockhead. Then feed you whole feet first down a croc's gob.
Can I ask how is pro-life the opposite of pro-choice? You bring a baby into the world, then brutally take away that life again. Sorry, but I don't see any choice in that
Pro lifers are pro choice. In this issue they choose life! "pro choice" advocates choose death. It's simple as that. It boils down to the question of choosing to do what
Awesome. Watch ultra sound footage of an abortion and you'll see how messed up abortion really is. You can literally see the fetus recoiling from the vacuum that's about to tear it apart-- It's disgusting. The fetus can feel pain, and respond to stimuli like you and I can. It has the potential for a future, just like you or me, until people take it away.
WOW 2 fundies saying their script what a surprise.
Anyone is against abortion, because its a person I off you the oppertunity to liquidate as much of your possesions as possible to save african children from diseases and death.
You can sell your expensive car and get a bomb, you can can sell your house and by a cheap as possibe one.
No private education for your children, thats childrens lives you can save.
OH SORRY you are against children dying unless its going to cost you!
@gorilla199uncensored A lot of us do this already, what the fuck do you do asshole? Who the fuck do you think you are you self righteous ass clown. People like you make me sick to my stomach. A stupid ignorant moron trying to act like an intelligent person. Give it up imbecile. Its obvious you're dimwitted. Another thing, why do you stupid fucks think that science would endorse any of your ridiculous ideology? You are the hypocrite idiot.
@gorilla199uncensored Get back on your medication you little crazy person. You have too much self hatred in you. Why? Because of your own rejection of God?
This will always be a dead end argument until religious idiots accept science... God authorized the destruction of the twin towers on 9/11.
railroadtrash09 3 days ago
OMG, THESE "pro-lifers" make me so sick!!!!!! Do you really care about either women or babies?! No, you just want to collect anti-abortion voices for a dominant, wealthy political party, you don't care for women, you think her pregnancy is her fault, this isn't a man's problem. You call single mothers "whores and sluts" ( yeah, ultimate sign of christianity and high morals), instead of lending a helpful hand. You just don't care for mothers whose lives are in danger, you don't do anything
AStrangerWoman13713 6 days ago
@AStrangerWoman13713
for this unfortunate problem, for example encouraging scientific research in order to save BOTH, not just a tiny fetus. You dont' really care about raped women, it's because they "dressed like a whore" ( another noble demonstration of christian morality) and "seduced" their rapists. You want women to be silent, subservient to men, like "good old days' just because Paul said so ( blast him!!!), to be reproductive animals, just because Bible, not so "flawless" book
AStrangerWoman13713 6 days ago
@AStrangerWoman13713
written by men says so. I know you perfectly.
On the other hand, I know "liberals" too, supporters of porn, prostitution, strip-clubs, I know perverted macho misogynists who say disgusting "jokes" about women, beating their wives, believing themselves as "real men" ( perhaps influenced by Eminem, or Metallica groups). Two kind of scum still runs American society, two kind of miasma creates a despicable potion, smelling worse than shit.
Cursed you will be, cursed until
AStrangerWoman13713 6 days ago
@AStrangerWoman13713
13th generation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bickering amongst yourselves like two monstruous beings to prove you're "respectable, honorable people", yet both of you are poisoning the air, polluting the whole earth, the WHOLE PLANET. You just disgust me, I just wanna puke on you, STFU, you primitive, vengeful society living by the old principle of eye for an eye, where violence, fighting, torture, insults, immorality are as normal as breathing
AStrangerWoman13713 6 days ago
@AStrangerWoman13713
I really don't know how God is so patient towards you..... Poor zombies brainwashed from both "conservative"& "liberal" straitjackets.... YUUUUKK
AStrangerWoman13713 6 days ago
I would love to see him take on Richard Dawkins. He would walk circles around Dawkins!
malambert313 1 week ago
They're called FETUSES!
SirMrTony 2 weeks ago 2
Our body belongs to our creator and He commands us not to KILL! We are just stewards and should remain stewards of our Lord. NO TO ABORTION!!!! Children are are blessing from God and should remain that way. He has a reason for all of the good things... namely a child being conceived.
slaughterhouseunited 2 weeks ago
@slaughterhouseunited what about all of the fertilized eggs that are naturally ejected because they didnt latch onto the uterine wall? this occurs naturally all the time! you are basing this on a very outdated book. the argument presented here is quite invalid btw. just thought youd want to know. and knowing is half the battle.
Denchanter357 2 weeks ago
why kill the baby?? it's not it's fault either, it didn't get asked to be there. why not kill the rapist instead?
pixelspillover 3 weeks ago
funny how only people who have been born are pro abortion
pixelspillover 3 weeks ago
@MnRProdMariolaur So....
neoarcadezr 3 weeks ago
THIS IS ONE OF THE SMARTEST! GUY I KNOW!
joetalk100 3 weeks ago
Abortion is killing a life....
MnRProdMariolaur 3 weeks ago
A good bit of apologetics.
gracetruthguy 3 weeks ago
Why do people think abortion is ok? As a mother, my child is more precious than even my life. I don't have the right to kill someone because they inconvenience me (say I was takig care of a person who had a person with Downs or was paraplegic). So why can I kill a baby because it's below a certain age? Yes, they depend on me, but they are a separate human with separate DNA, separate organs, ect.
rosebai21 1 month ago
Chad, that was a great way that you handled this person!
DeistReality 1 month ago
IF SHE WAS RAPED AND THE PERSON WHO RAPED HER HAD A DISEASE AND IT INFECTS THE BABY THE BABY HAS THAT DISEASE AND SHE DOESNT WANT THE BABY TO INFECT OTHERS AND IF THE PREGNANCY MIGHT KILL THE MOTHER THEN IF SHE WANTS IT THEN THATS HER CHOICE, IT WASNT HER FAULT AND SHE AINT ASK FOR THE BABY TO BE HERRE. BUT IF SHE JUS GOES ROUND FUCKIN FROM DICK TO DICK NO PROTECTION AND GETS PREGNANT AND SHE WANTS TO HAVE IT THEN I FEEL ITS WRONG CUS THE BABY AINT ASKED TO BE HERRE.
UMANEDAKIDD19 1 month ago
@UMANEDAKIDD19 That's a valid point and I used to feel the same way however it is a mother's (or any parent's) duty to protect their child at all costs because they are helpless and have no one to speak for them except for their parents. You have to be a parent to understand this completely. You keep saying it's HER choice and not HER fault but what about the baby? Is it the baby's fault? The baby's choice? No one ever has the right to take another life.
joecane6340 3 weeks ago
As a liberal, I'm at odds with most others who share my spot on the political spectrum.
I don't disagree with abortion because it is "killing a baby," but because it is, to me, unequivocally a breach of the rights of man. A youtube comment box obviously does not have sufficient room to explain my position, but I disagree with it purely from a philosophical prospective. In a similar way that Christopher Hitchens disagrees with it. (Which I was surprised to discover.)
Mysteryskatin 2 months ago
@Mysteryskatin there is always adoption. however some genes i think that the woman should have the choice of whether or not those are allowed to continue.
Denchanter357 2 weeks ago
I like how the good people at living waters don't speak english fluently. He says "err on the side of caution" and they put "error on caution". Wow.
crzyprplmnky 3 months ago
It's very simple.
A fetus is a part of a woman's body. It affects a woman's body in biologically, physically significant ways. Killing the fetus has an effect on the woman's physical health in a huge way.
A toddler is not part of a woman's body. It does not affect a woman's body in biologically, physically significant ways. Killing a toddler does not have an effect on the woman's physical health at all.
RugtimXII 3 months ago
That interviewer is a douche
MrBrooksGrant 4 months ago
Why can't fundies just leave our bodies alone? It seems like they're obsessed with where people put their wieners and seeing women as walking incubators
What goes on inside of our bodies is none of your business, go away
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 4 months ago
October 5, 2011, No, it is not the woman's choice. GOD makes and creates every Baby. GOD puts His Holy Spirit and a fully developed Baby into the man's sperm and that tiny being of Light and Spirit has a Soul and that fully formed Baby sperm travels into the womb of a lady and when that body of the Baby is fully grown, then the Baby is born. The man gave the Baby the Spirit of GOD so the Man has more right over the Baby than the Lady. Just like the seed in a tomatoe, gives a tomatoe.
MASTER105175 4 months ago
@MASTER105175 But I think you would agree that a tomato seed is not a grown tomato plant. If someone throws away a tomato seed, would you cry in dismay, you burned my crops? Is an egg a chicken? This really is not that hard.
crzyprplmnky 3 months ago
@MASTER105175 It's very obvious that you are a man because no woman in her right mind would say something like that. So I'm going to say this now, no man has a say in what I do with my body. If I was pregnant, and the child endangered my life, I would abort it. If I was raped, I would abort. It would be my body, my decision. Your arrogance is astonishing. Apparently you flunked Biology because you would realize that with out a woman's egg, a man's sperm would be useless. Think about that.
theflyisback 3 months ago
I love how the metaphor gets completely out of control.
K9affirmative 5 months ago
Rape, incest, and scenarios in which being pregnant makes the death of the mother likely... those need to be taken into consideration. I have a somewhat complicated view on abortion, as most people do... I don't think it should be painted as a black or white issue. It is incredibly complicated.
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President Sparkling Obama,
Some people like to euphemize abortion to make themselves feel better about it. They call it infant cleansing, blob removal, birth control, gentlecide, war against terrorist babies, kind and gentle murder, and convenience killing.
Those innocent unborn babies, however, don't understand those words. I imagine that all they understand as they are being torn out of the womb is pain, fear, and grief.
So, Mr. pro-choice, still want to preach humanity to Iran?
eastariel 5 months ago
What a horrible argument. I'd blow up the building if it meant I was saving the life of someone else. Like the mother.
asblue91 6 months ago
Hahahaha, wow... this was veeery fake.
rolexxx11 6 months ago
Scripted bullshit.
aakurtzaakurtz 6 months ago
Total fake video.
theoseans 6 months ago
Seeing as how this video response probably won't get approved, which just goes to further show the antilibertarian, ignorant behaviour typical to many hardline Christians and pro-lifers, here it is: v=362kL0AoGXI
FredericBayer 6 months ago
Here in Germany, abortion is legal up to the 3rd month of pregnancy. By that time, the baby is neither sentient nor conscious, it is as aware of its surroundings as a bacteria, an amoeba, or an ant if you will. If you oppose abortion because it is killing life, you must never take medicine and always have a broom handy to avoid stepping on insects, because everything else is just hypocrisy.
FredericBayer 6 months ago
I love Conservatives. They are sooo eager to attempt to save unborn fetuses, but as soon as that baby is born to, let's say, a poor woman on unemployment, that child is instantly a leech on our economy to them. And they could give a crap if that baby starves.
Dire327 6 months ago 9
@Dire327 There are over 12 million illegals in this country helping themselves to our tax dollars, and you're crying about feeding American babies? wow....
amhater 5 months ago
@Dire327 this isnt a political argument, its a moral argument.
BrianChillz 3 months ago
@Dire327 why? because we expect people to take care of their kids? work and try to earn a living? and besides, what has your argument got to do with the issue of abortion?
Follower172 3 weeks ago
ewww that guy has lip gloss on !!
LYDIA21LOVE 7 months ago
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opo736 7 months ago
So if he was about to blow up a building containing an IVF laboratory he'd become a mass murderer? This argument is bogus. The pro-lifers want there to be no abortions. An unattainable goal.
The real choice is between safe regulated abortions and dangerous illegal back alley abortions where women (fully developed human life) die. Who are the real pro-lifers here?
TherionNLD 7 months ago
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LuluzinhaBrasileira 7 months ago
Observe children. Have you ever seen one who doesn't love life? Does anyone know any children that are pro choice?
Pro choice is not something you are, it's something you must become. If you must become, then what were you before?
miket1m 7 months ago
cool website (pulls no punches)..
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"A human being can be defined in may different ways?" ~ Really, how?
It has "human" DNA.
"A fetus also lacks many other fully grown features so its not called a baby. A fetus is a developing human baby" ~ Ridiculous
miket1m 8 months ago
Personally i'm against abortion. But I am also a supporter of the greatest gift (i believe) God granted us ...free will. We can makes mistakes....and if you do so you will reap that which you sow. Free will is often trolloped around like its peoples own deserved right so they are justified in ANYTHING they do. I am not a supporter in those that make hasty "important" decisions without first understanding all the issues at hand.
hexusziggurat 8 months ago
@hexusziggurat We can makes mistakes.
CollectiveRepression 8 months ago
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@hexusziggurat Thou shalt not murder.
miket1m 8 months ago
lol the baby is never in the mother's stomach
APrognosticator 8 months ago
@Remulaktake2 Hiel Hitler mother fucker
miket1m 8 months ago
I love how in America you'll go to jail for Murder, but yet we have Abortions. KILLING a baby, babies have DNA, Blood, Veins, Organs, feelings! Now how is a unborn baby not a human? I always hear oh it's women rights, they can't support a child, it's inconvenient to have a child.
What about the unborn babies rights?
If you don't want it, give the the child to someone who WANTS a child.
What has America become? :(
I hope Jesus comes soon before all he'll breaks lose.
MexicannAsiann15 8 months ago
@MexicannAsiann15 LOL unborn babies have no rights. Murderers go to jail because they are a threat to society. Babies are aborted not because they've done anything wrong, but because the parents cant take care of them. The same thing will happen with subsidized healthcare, and is happening right now. We cant take care of all the sick people, so the sick people will either get better on their own, free clinic, or die. Rights amount to simple logistics of freedom. We cant all have em.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
@vidfreak56 well if Parents cant have them like i said place them to a household who does want them. Abortion is just horrfic, you would agree if you seen the photos, have you?
MexicannAsiann15 8 months ago
@MexicannAsiann15 Sure ...give them to someone that wants them if there is such a person. The parents, or caregivers would have to pay for not only the nourishment of the baby, but also of the mother, else shed never have it to begin with. You cant force it however. Some would rather have the option than be forced. Even if you tried to, it'd still be done anyways. Horrific? Of course. So's a starving person or someone who's dying of cancer but has no HC. You cant be picky.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
@MexicannAsiann15
Luke 18
miket1m 8 months ago
The fetus is human in nature, has human DNA and is alive. How can its nature not be human if it is alive and has human DNA? It is a false premise that someone is not human until he/she is fully developed. If its not human in nature, then what is it? If its human in nature, then what gives anyone the right to kill it?
miket1m 8 months ago
Statistics and all the numbers well show as abortion increase, crime decreases over time. Abortion is and should remain a critical part of society.
PUPPYBEATER09 8 months ago
@PUPPYBEATER09 You're fucking Koo Koo Ass Clown. What are you, a serial killer?
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m I'm not a koo Koo clown, Nor a serial killer. Put simply I have a lower value of life then you. I simply see the benefits of abortion, while weighing them with the negative aspects, and conclude in my opinion that the benefits outweigh the negative effects. There is no need for insults, and I would love to debate the subject and gain some perspectives beyond my own, if we could treat the subject with the humble respect it deserves.
PUPPYBEATER09 8 months ago
I support abortion, if you got it by accident, rape or if you just don't want it. When it's born and older you should place it in a home, no child deserves to live with a family that doesn't want it.
ConlangFan 8 months ago
@ConlangFan Why didn't they abort your ass? That would probably have been the right thing to do along with the rest who think like you on here. Fucking Nazi.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Yo! Your first sentence was irrelevant. And since you don't have a single fuckin' reason to be against it, I'm taking your comment as a joke. And the nazis didn't support abortion, btw.
ConlangFan 8 months ago
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@ConlangFan
Did you learn history in school? Do you have any idea what the holocaust was all about in Nazi Germany during the late 30's and early 40's? If you compare Germany's Nazi holocaust and America's abortion holocaust you'll see there is practically no difference between the mindset of holocaust then and now. As with slavery in early America, killing Jews in Nazi Germany, or killing babies in America today.
miket1m 8 months ago
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@ConlangFan
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. So how do you get a country to allow humans to be treated worse than animals? You use euphemisms to convince people that these actions are justifiable, or even beneficial. Abortion advocates and America's largest Death Camp operator, Planned Parenthood, have elevated the dehumanization of holocaust victims to an art form with their 'pro-choice' rhetoric,
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Uhm. Okay, I don't really care about what you're saying xD
ConlangFan 8 months ago
@ConlangFan Thats because its easier for you to think that way you brainless Nazi fuck!
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Now you're just being irrelevant and stupid. You think you're cool and winning the conversation by just calling me brainless, everyone has one, nazi, my grand grandparents were killed by nazis thank you, and fuck, which shows how little you know about this.
ConlangFan 8 months ago
@ConlangFan What is the difference between the Nazi Holocaust and todays abortion holocaust. Innocent human beings being slaughtered. The ideology and even the quotes from Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger are the same as Mengele and Vilis Kruze. There are 3 trimesters in a pregnancy. Only by determining how long the baby has been alive can the abortionist choose the most effective method to kill it. They kill babies all the way to the 3rd trimester.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Stop comparing it to the Nazis!!!! Also, 1. If the mother is going to die
2. Incest
3. Inability to support or care for a child
4. Rape
5. The mother has AIDS or HIV or HPV or whatever and gives it to the baby
6. Its the women'ss body so her choice
7. It's against their religion
8. To end an unwanted pregnancy.
9. Physical or mental conditions that endanger the woman's health if the pregnancy is continued.
10. To prevent the birth of a child with birth defects!
ConlangFan 8 months ago
@ConlangFan The root of abortion is in the deadness of the hearts of men and women. Just as life cannot come from death (unless by miracle), neither can the fruit of life come from a dead heart. From a dead heart comes death. That is why so many want death for the unborn. Death begets death; life begets life.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m So if you were a 16 year old girl, that got pregnant by a man that raped you, and he got away. Your family is poor, and you're studying. You have to use all of your time on the baby and get bad grades. When it is born you will have to use all your money on the baby and your family will starve. And both you and your child will die a miserable short-lifed death. Or take abortion and go on eiwth your studies, get a job and a good life :]
ConlangFan 8 months ago
@ConlangFan You go from one extreme to the other. There are all types of agencies here in America that helps people in general. Rape is horrible, but why should the child in the womb pay for the sins of another? The baby is innocent of the offense, and his life doesn't need to be taken because of the act of another. To do this is unjust. What is in the womb is human, and killing it because of the act of another would be wrong.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m If the mother were raped, then a decision would be made that would effect the baby. We all choose for others. Regardless of whos fault you see it to be or not to be, if the mother chooses abortion, then thats the choice. The baby isnt innocent just because its a baby, and cant be provided for, anymore than a sick person is innocent because its not their fault they happened to get attacked by a virus and cant pay for healthcare.The reality is when money dries up, abortion will happen.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
@miket1m It's not a baby.It's a tiny, animal looking fetus. It's the size of smaller animals, and I guess you kill animals, right.
ConlangFan 8 months ago
@ConlangFan It is a human being in nature. It has human DNA and is alive. A one cell animal is alive and what is in the mothers womb is more than a one cell animal.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Who cares. Not your decision.
ConlangFan 8 months ago
@ConlangFan I care asshole. I care that unborn babies are being slaughtered you fucking savage.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Then it's sad you can NEVER change the fact that it will still happen :]
ConlangFan 7 months ago
@miket1m Its hard to use the term "human being" and have every person understand it the same way. "Human life" is a much better term.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
@vidfreak56 Whats the difference? Human being, human life. What is the womb is human in nature and is alive and has human DNA. It is a life and to abort it is murder. Doctors don't like the term "Baby" so they change the name to "fetus" that way is much easier to end the childs life.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m That's because it's not a baby, it's a fetus. A baby is a young human outside the womb that is capable of breath and sight, where as a fetus is not.
CollectiveRepression 8 months ago
@CollectiveRepression Hey moron, The term "fetus" is another name for an unborn baby. Even one-celled creatures are alive. Whats growing in the woman is more than a one-celled creature. Its a total lie that a person is not human until they are fully developed. The doctors are making tons of money on this practice. Planned Parenthood is making tons of money on this holocaust. I am just explaining things scientifically.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Moron? You're quick to name names. Saying a fetus is a name for an unborn baby, what you're doing here is you're making an emotional appeal by giving it the title "baby" and just like how you did when you compared abortion with the holocaust (a logical fallacy jokingly called 'reductio ad hitlerum'). How is it a total lie that a fetus is not 'human?' Secondly, by saying one celled creatures possess life, doesn't mean that more complicated organisms do.
CollectiveRepression 8 months ago
@CollectiveRepression Yeah Moron, because you're sounding like one. How is a total lie that a fetus is not a baby? Because it is a baby thats how it is a lie. This is how you earn the title Moron.
"by saying one celled creatures possess life, doesn't mean that more complicated organisms do." ~ Again,...Moron
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Lord, you're calling me a 'moron,' yet you use the prose and argument structure typical of an adolescent. "It is, because it is" and "It is because you're stupid" are your only points thus far. However, you have not managed to produce a bit of substantiation. A fetus is no more a baby than an preadolescent is a teenager. For example, a baby out of the womb is capable of minimal sight and the ability to breath, where as a fetus is not. Ad hominem insults won't get you far.
CollectiveRepression 8 months ago
@CollectiveRepression So..., a person in a coma is not human. Is that what you're saying, idiot? Someone in an iron lung is not a human being? Yes definitely, moron.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m They are not a functional human being. Also, the circumstances behind someone being in a coma and someone being in an iron lung. Even so, if sustaining the person does more harm to the family/society I believe that they should be euthanized. Secondly, we weren't talking about calling a fetus human, for it surely is, we were talking about calling it a baby. You have brought up another point entirely. Can somebody say, "red herring?"
CollectiveRepression 8 months ago
@CollectiveRepression circumstances are different*
CollectiveRepression 8 months ago
@CollectiveRepression "euthanized"? I'll tell you what, I think you should be euthanized, how about that? You think exactly like a Nazi. Truthfully, I can show you quotes from Nazis in the death camps like Mengela, who sounded just like you and your Nazi friend, the founder of Planned Parenthood. Nazi!
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Erm, do you mean, "Mengele?" What you've just done is continue your red herring argument, but also you've committed yet another logical fallacy the jokingly titled, "Reductio ad Hitlerum." I believe you must revert to such infantile arguments because you have no valid points to bring up, so you must equate me to a National Socialist because of the T-4 Euthanasia program. However, what about the United States eugenics programs of the 20s and 30s? Why not compare me to them?
CollectiveRepression 8 months ago
@CollectiveRepression You can talki all of this YouTube terminology you want. It all comes down to, you and your fucked up way of thinking. You think like a Nazi. You think people in comas or iron lungs should be exterminated mercifully. You have no respect for human life and you're not worth communicating with. You are an out and out savage. Thats it.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m First off, I'm not using any YouTube terminology. Secondly, how is my method of thinking fucked up? Also, how do I have no respect for human life if I supports the needs of the majority over those of the minority. You can sit here and deal out any insult if that soothes the fact that you're arrogant and refuse to see that you're wrong. You're a savage for behaving in such a childish and uneducated manner.
CollectiveRepression 8 months ago
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@CollectiveRepression
You say you support the needs of the majority over those of the minority. You're using subjective morals rather than Objective morals. Subjective morals are morals that depend on you, your situation, culture, and your preferences. They can change, can become contradictory, and might differ from person to person. Obviously you're an atheist. In atheism there is no moral right or wrong There is no moral "should and shouldn't”
miket1m 7 months ago
@miket1m Well to start off, it's important to note that I am not an Atheist. Secondly, I know what subjective morality is, you need not explain it to me. I agree that Atheism doesn't have an inherent moral code, however many atheists have moral codes because many philosophies don't require religion. I want to know why you think my moral code is subjective, rather than objective.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
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@CollectiveRepression
First of all atheist can be morally good, I agree, but having good morals doesn’t mean you have objective morals. You believe people less fortunate than we should be euthanized for the good of society. You maintain that the best moral system is that which brings the greatest happiness, the least amount of suffering, and the greatest freedom for as many people as possible. That does not work. Look at slavery for example.
miket1m 7 months ago
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@CollectiveRepression
The greatest happiness for the greatest number of people means that a minority of people should suffer in bondage. This way, the greatest amount of freedom for the majority is ensured. Do you think its wrong to enslave a minority to benefit the majority? If so, why is it wrong? It’s wrong because the minority is suffering, so what? Why is suffering wrong? It may be unpleasant.. But why is it morally wrong to oppress a minority to benefit the majority?
miket1m 7 months ago
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@CollectiveRepression
This is a subjective moral system that you are presenting thats based on human experience, human conditions, and human reason. This kind of moral evaluation is relativistic, dangerous, can change, can become self contradictory, and can lead to anarchy. When you remove God, you remove the standard by which objective moral truth is established. True morality is not merely an agreed on collection of concepts.
miket1m 7 months ago
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@CollectiveRepression
Objective morals: don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery, don't bear false witness, etc. These morals don’t change depending on your opinion, your situation, or your personal preferences. They're based on God’s character and since God doesn’t change, these morals don’t either. So, its always wrong to lie, to steal, to commit adultery, and to bear false witness, but not with subjective morals. Sure your not an atheist?
miket1m 7 months ago
@miket1m Oh, I didn't see posts 2 and 3. Removing God has no effect on objective morality. For example, God forbids murder, yet in Numbers 25 he praises Phineas for killing the racially mixed couple. Another example, is the practice of Ban, where God commands his "chosen people" to rape foreign women, destroy foreign cities, kill their men and wipe out their cultures. These are two stark examples of contradiction in Judeo-Christian morals.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@CollectiveRepression You might as well be an atheist. You're probably lying. I can assure you that there are no contradictions in the Bible whatsoever. Objective morals are a reflection of God's character. You don't understand. Forget it.
miket1m 7 months ago
@miket1m I might as well be an Atheist? I'm probably lying? No, we just don't have the same religious beliefs so you think I am an Atheist. I just pointed out two striking examples of biblical contradiction. Objectivity is lacking in bias. I do understand, but you don't seem to.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@CollectiveRepression I am telling you right now that they are not contradictions. You don't know the Bible. There are absolutely no contradictions in the Bi9ble whatsoever. Do a little more research and you will see they are not contradictions. Anyway, thats not the argument here.
miket1m 7 months ago
@miket1m I'm curious to see how you would reconcile that as not being a contradiction. I assure you that I know the bible quite well. Also, you are right, the argument was about a fetus being a baby. It is important to note that you are the one who got us side-tracked.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@miket1m I don't believe that if someone is less fortunate than someone, then they should be sterilized. Before I elaborate, it is generally accepted that a good judge is an objective judge, something that applies to morals. I believe that those who do not benefit society shouldn't draw from it and put extra weight on their fellows, I'm not sure how that relates to slavery. But this is rather unrelated, as my point of contention was with your insistence on calling a fetus a baby.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@CollectiveRepression Forget it. You can't understand anything I have written.
miket1m 7 months ago
@miket1m Actually, I do understand what you're saying, you're incapable of proving your own points. First, you say that a fetus is a baby and back down when you cannot prove that to be the case. Secondly, you make the claim of God being objective morality, however God says thou shalt not kill, however he sanctions the killings of Gentiles. God shows personal preference based off of the situation, therefore Judeo-Christian morals are subjective.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@CollectiveRepression I have proved that the fetus is an unborn baby. IOt has human DNA and is alive. It doesn't make a bit of difference what you think as far as God goes. You have no idea nor do you care to know anything about God. God is the Creator. He can do whatever He wants with Hid Creation. Who said that God has to be just? You have to know why He killed these people to understand. It doesn't matter. WE are not allowed to kill, that all that counts.
miket1m 7 months ago
@miket1m First off, being human does not make fetus' a baby. While a fetus may be human, it is not a baby. Secondly, as the book of Numbers shows us, it was not God who performed the killings, but rather Israelites who wanted to stop race-mixing.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@CollectiveRepression Look, what is that you don't understand? Why is so hard for you? The child, who can't exercise its own will, is killed. And, in order to make the killing more palatable, the baby is called a "fetus", or "non-viable", or "not yet human", etc. This eases the conscience. Have you ever seen a sonogram of an abortion? You can see the 'non viable fetus' retracting from the instruments of death and seeking self preservation. It wants to live.
miket1m 7 months ago
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@CollectiveRepression Abortion is the ultimate in selfishness. It puts the mother's convenience and desires above the life of her own baby. With abortionists, the rights of the baby are sacrificed for the rights of the mother, and the father forget him, he doesn't even have any rights. The mother cries out that the life in her is part of her body and that she has the right to do with her body as she wills. Animals don't kill what is in their own wombs. Humans are the only ones who do this.
miket1m 7 months ago
@miket1m Abortion is not the ultimate act of selfishness. Also, one of the primary reasons for getting an abortion are the child. Most of the people who get abortions are from low-income families and either are not properly educated in sex, have a history of sexual abuse within the family and even high rape rates in the area. In fact, abortion can help ensure that a potential child would get a better life when the parents are ready, hence why abortion rates are inversely linked to crime rates.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@miket1m Also, humans are the only ones to do many things, so claiming abortion is wrong because we are the only ones who do it is silly.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@CollectiveRepression You're an idiot. Its fucking wrong because its murder. Slaughter of innocent unborn babies
miket1m 7 months ago
@miket1m Please read my other posts. Also, I don't appreciate such barbaric and childish insults. I can only assume from the amount of fallacies you have produced thus far that you are either uneducated or being driven by pure emotion (or perhaps both.) We've been over this, fetus' aren't babies. Also, how is murder always wrong when God condones it on numerous occasions in the bible (assuming that is your basis for morality).
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@miket1m
Still talking your crap, yet you spend money to save a life yet expect people to spend 20 years of their life doing it.
So ever used the implant, pill or iud?
gorilla199uncensored 7 months ago
@gorilla199uncensored What do you call what your talking? Maybe keep your dick in your pants and you won't have a problem or responsibility of raising a child.
miket1m 7 months ago
@miket1m
Answer my question
So ever used the implant, pill or iud?
I noticed no excuse of why you spend money on your self rather than saving a life of a child NICE!
gorilla199uncensored 7 months ago
@miket1m The word Fetus has existed before the concept of abortion and remains the correct term for what it is. A fetus is a "developing mammal or other viviparous vertebrate after the embryonic stage and before birth." To be a baby, birth must first happen. You're doing exactly what you claim "they" do, using equivocation to make your side of the argument seem more appealing. I've never before witnessed such intellectual dishonesty.
CollectiveRepression 7 months ago
@miket1m A human being can be defined in many different ways. Just because the fetus has DNA doesnt mean anything. A fetus also lacks many other fully grown features so its not called a baby. A fetus is a developing human baby...this is the definition. You just want to project evil onto people so you can rationalize your point of view. In the end most doctors are realists and dont need to dehumanize a fetus to abort it. They understand abortion is necessary.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
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@vidfreak56
You assume it isn't human, even though its alive and has human DNA, and then pass judgment that it is not a person. You must define what makes a person before you can make this kind of claim. Is being a person limited to attributes of thought, walking, awareness, etc., or is it an issue of the nature and essence of the life? A person is still a person even if he cannot think, walk, or be self aware, as someone in a coma.
miket1m 8 months ago
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@vidfreak56
Personhood is not defined by function alone, but also by essence and nature. To separate the two, function and essence, is to improperly define what a person is. The fetus has the nature of a human and is injured by killing.
Does that mean the mother should have no feelings about the life thats been removed from her womb? If it isn't a person, then there should be absolutely no guilt at all with killing the life in the womb, correct?
miket1m 8 months ago
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@vidfreak56
If you agree that no guilt at all is necessary, then why do so many women have the feeling of guilt after an abortion?
Does abortion really leave the woman uninjured? No it does not. Countless women are psychologically harmed when they kill the child in their womb.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m Because they are programmed to feel guilt. Just like most people feel guilty about not giving when they could have at the end of their life or passing by an accident and not helping. Mothers understand that they arent strong enough to do so, so they feel shame because of what society imprints upon them. Remember a long time ago abortion happened and was considered acceptable. Not that you should.
Sorry but psychological harm isnt enough to stop it. They get over it.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
@miket1m Essence? LOL a neologism. Youll have to define that one for me. What exactly is the essence of a fetus? It has the "nature of a human"? So what? It may do human things in the womb, but that doesnt mean its automatically a person. Degrees of personhood (child to adult) makes that hard to say.
No feelings? Some do. Some dont. But I could say the same to anyone who, for example, doesnt give to the needy. Its subject to a persons belief. Should she feel guilty? Nothing says this.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
@vidfreak56 You're an imbecile thats why. I won't explain anything to you Nazi. Siek Hiel mother fucker
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m LOL project whatever you must onto me in order to try to prove your point. You're nothing more than a stupid idealist. Reality dictates what happens in the world, not ideology. You want to stop abortion? Then do something about it instead of just ranting in chat forums. Until then, abortion is here to stay.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
@miket1m NO I dont call it a person or a human being because its confusing. I call it a fetus or human life. Define a person? Ok that can go as far back as a mans sperm if were saying having dna makes it a person. So if I have no brain at birth, then does the fact that I have human form make me a person? You are your personality and your reason, not the form you take. I would say a person in a coma is still a person assuming they arent brain dead. Otherwise they arent, or are partially.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
@miket1m LOL the root of abortion is lack of proper job opportunities, healthcare, education, ideology, psychology. And yes that some people have "dead hearts", or are apathetic towards other humans (sociopaths and what not). Life can come indirectly from life. You eat meat? Regardless of your answer, meat from anyone sustains other life and keeps that life going (through cell support). Your answers are more complex than you make them.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
@miket1m
"It puts the mother's convenience and desires above the life of her own baby"
Your selfishmness is even greater, you wont spend your money to save starving children AND YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO RAISE THEM!
By your own claim you are far worse than of them
gorilla199uncensored 7 months ago
@miket1m
"hey kill babies all the way to the 3rd trimester. "
You decide for living children to die so you can be selfish and waste money on yourself rather than save a child.
gorilla199uncensored 7 months ago
Funny how at the beginning the guy you're interviewing says he'll always have his view but by the end he's second guessing himself lol
M3PanoS 8 months ago
That didnt need to be 5:33 long. It was obvious 20 seconds in where it was going. This is a very simplistic line of reasoning.
Also, fetus's aren't people any more then sperm are.
elatus 8 months ago
The gay guy in this interview has no idea what he's talking about.
I cringe every time he says that the baby is in her mother's "stomach!"
How ignorant -- the stomach is a digestive organ, NOT a reproductive organ!
You make some excellent points in this video, BTW -- actually, they are irrefutable.
1GodOnlyOne 9 months ago
Psalm 51:5 – “I was born a sinner – yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.” (NLT)
Jeremiah 1:5 – “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.” (NLT)
newsblastsocialmedia 9 months ago 3
@newsblastsocialmedia Perfect, thanks
miket1m 8 months ago
The womans choice? BS its her body and my sperm. Its the choice of both parties. If the man is out of the picture, then id let the woman decide, but otherwise, hell no!
Whats in a womans womb is human life. Its a human fetus, but is it a human being? What is considered a human being is typically dependent on what a person means. Value? Clearly not what abortions for. If you cant take care of the baby, then you abort it for its own good and yours. Trust me.
vidfreak56 9 months ago
@vidfreak56 A child is not a choice at all, unless you're a fucking Nazi!
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m A child isnt a choice? Yes it is a choice. You either choose to take care of it or you choose to neglect it. A child has no choices. Its all up to the parents. Abortion saves the child from negligent parents, who will probably just fuck it up, or worse, kill it anyways. Unfair? Of course it is, but lifes unfair. Unless people want to step up and do something about it.
vidfreak56 8 months ago
so adoption is a much easier or safer choice then abortion? u would carry the child full term in hopes that will not get attsched. turn ea
motherklara 9 months ago
"I mean, if there were flies or whatever thats different from a human being" can a fly ever turn into a human being >.<
idonotwastenames 9 months ago
"the baby it's in her stomach" <---- FAIL
cr4yv3n 10 months ago 3
It's not a "woman's body", it's two bodies at this point in question. If it weren't, millions of both women, AND men, wouldn't be emotionally devastated after the fact. If it's a wart, or a tumor, you're relieved it's gone. The same sense of relief and satisfaction does not come from removing a growing fetus..no matter what your beliefs are.
But, that said, PLEASE! DON'T be self-righteous about it, wearing people down to make your point. Be gentle like Christ. Remember, forgive them, for they..
tubeeorrnottubee 10 months ago
If that guy pointed a microphone at me & started asking ,e those wide ass comments I'd punch his lights out. At the end of the day can we all say with 100% certainty that the interviewer will NEVER be in the position to have to make that emotional decision to terminate or continue with a pregnancy
Barrhead30 10 months ago
@Barrhead30 If I found out later that you wanted me aborted when I was still inside me Mum, I'd come and kick your fuckin arse, ya antilife cockhead. Then feed you whole feet first down a croc's gob.
ZombieCoots 9 months ago
Can I ask how is pro-life the opposite of pro-choice? You bring a baby into the world, then brutally take away that life again. Sorry, but I don't see any choice in that
stinkbum16 10 months ago
Pro lifers are pro choice. In this issue they choose life! "pro choice" advocates choose death. It's simple as that. It boils down to the question of choosing to do what
Vainslain 10 months ago
@Vainslain Wronnnng.
tubeeorrnottubee 10 months ago
i dont know why the "pro-lifes" call themselves that. it should be pro choice and anti choice, because that is what you are.
coming from a pro choice.
SamisMarvin 10 months ago
level of development? why dont you go to the streets telling men not to masturbate? a sperm cell is a child after all. :)
poouhead 10 months ago
Awesome. Watch ultra sound footage of an abortion and you'll see how messed up abortion really is. You can literally see the fetus recoiling from the vacuum that's about to tear it apart-- It's disgusting. The fetus can feel pain, and respond to stimuli like you and I can. It has the potential for a future, just like you or me, until people take it away.
Danthemanlyman7 11 months ago
Very well down and to the point good job.
kittykittypaw 11 months ago
WOW 2 fundies saying their script what a surprise.
Anyone is against abortion, because its a person I off you the oppertunity to liquidate as much of your possesions as possible to save african children from diseases and death.
You can sell your expensive car and get a bomb, you can can sell your house and by a cheap as possibe one.
No private education for your children, thats childrens lives you can save.
OH SORRY you are against children dying unless its going to cost you!
HYPOCRITE!
gorilla199uncensored 11 months ago
@gorilla199uncensored A lot of us do this already, what the fuck do you do asshole? Who the fuck do you think you are you self righteous ass clown. People like you make me sick to my stomach. A stupid ignorant moron trying to act like an intelligent person. Give it up imbecile. Its obvious you're dimwitted. Another thing, why do you stupid fucks think that science would endorse any of your ridiculous ideology? You are the hypocrite idiot.
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m
"A lot of us do this already"
LOL you dont do anywhere near as much as you can!
You prefer babies to starve to death so you can have the internet, a mobil phone, phone, not ot mention car house!
As I stated you are a hypocrite, even better you try to deny it, proven it yet again!
gorilla199uncensored 8 months ago
@gorilla199uncensored Get back on your medication you little crazy person. You have too much self hatred in you. Why? Because of your own rejection of God?
miket1m 8 months ago
@miket1m
"Get back on your medication you little crazy person."
Answer this you lying hypocrite.
Is it possible for you to save 40$ a month to save the life of a child?
The answer is yes, but you would rather that child die, so you can have take away once a month!
gorilla199uncensored 8 months ago
Something anti-choice people don't understand- there's a critical difference between an actual life and a life of a parasite.
bobmuffins 11 months ago
@bobmuffins Are you saying that a baby in the womb is a parasite?
Pigalit 11 months ago