@nikepumps123 definitely NOT a pull.Ball starts out exactly where he is aiming (and looking when he turns his head to look at the target). He did fade it. Jack always said he licked to aim at the bunker and fade it into the fairway on this hole
@TheNYgolfer i was just thinking that the easiest way to fade it is coming over the top just a bit. it looks to me like he might have just a hair. but you could right. hard to say
@nikepumps123 Learn Golf terminology!!!..... a "pull" is playing a draw but insted of starting it out right of the target you start it straight at it or even left of it and still hit the "draw". A "fade" is where the ball goes straight and falls off to the right as its coming down. This is called a "cut", his body is wide open and hes aiming down the left side of the fairway. To be fair, this could be considered a "punch cut" bc of how low it comes off the club face....
@nikepumps123 Hey.... I'm just trying to help you not sound like a complete IDIOT when you're on the golf course... you're prolly the jackass that "pulls" a putt and goes " I pushed the putt"......FAGGOT!
Jack plays a natural fade of which he says gives more control than a draw. As lee Trevino once said you can talk to the fade but you can not talk to the hook.
@whachoutb4 Yep, no problem. I've always heard that phrase. And I bet Jack did love this hole. In fact he loved the whole course. Jack always played well here because he hit the ball so high. Augusta demands that you hit the ball high. Thats why Lee Trevino always struggled at the Masters, he always had that low ball flight, so it was hard for him to stop the Golf ball when he hit into greens.
For being the winningest player in golf, his swing is far from good looking to me. That kind of "step" into the ball looks awkward, and his balance is far from excellent. Still, he won 18 majors, goes to show golf is about more than a pretty swing.
nicklaus was the first "college boy" to hit the tour but he had a head start on the baby boomers by about 5 years as jack was 21 when he won the open in '61.After the war america had the prosperity to build the courses and all the kids that were born after the war had the time and money to learn the game.It's just a sheer matter of statistics.So u started seeing guys like johnny miller and hale irwin and lanny wadkins...........the list goes on.
absolutely perfect. open stance aiming left of target line where he wants the ball to start, with an open clubface facing target line, swinging across the line of his feet, letting thye ball cut back. text book fade. for those who want to emlate this shot, look no further
@acershund shut the hell up who gives a damn about class. We all know good and well tiger is better than jack ever was yeah hes struggling now but just wait. Tiger is on another level as i recall jack nicklaus NEVER WON A US OPEN BY 15 SHOTS! no'one could do that but tiger because hes the greatest ever
@hlggolf21 Well, classy people do..;-) Jack had a similar slump as Tiger has now and he managed to fight back winning the Masters at 46. Let us wait and see what Tiger is capable of. It is totally irrelevant by how many shots a tournament is won, main thing you win. Nicklaus never tried to impress others by "overpowering" the competition as Tiger e.g. did in the British Open 2000. He always played defensively, then slowly rolling up the field from behind..
@duckhunt08 Ever heard of irony? Othervise look it up in your dicitionary (search the letter "i" btw). Besides, is it "classy" to call other people "fools", idiots and whatnot else i have seen here on youtube...?
Actually, Tiger's "overpowering" of the field is a commentary on the weakness of the field, as is his unbelievable closing rate when he has the lead in the final round (because people routinely fall apart for him both in final rounds and in playoffs). Woods has nobody the quality of Player, Palmer, Trevino, Watson, et al. to beat. Not that that's his fault; he can beat only who's in front of him. But it's the simple truth.
@emncaity find me an expert who says the fields are weaker today than in the 60's.There were a lot of funky swings back in jacks day but any pga event today has nothing but solid players from top to bottom.And I'm no tiger fan but at least give him his due.
I don't give two shits about an "expert" in this matter. At all. In the nonexempt structure, you have tons of players, some really talented, some marginally talented with game-improvement equipment, firing at every flag on every day of the tournament, like 300 all-in-every-time amateurs at a poker event against five really good players. Nicklaus himself predicted the diluting and distorting effect this would have eventually, and he was completely right...
...But maybe that argument is a little too subtle. This is more direct: It doesn't matter at all that the bottom half of the field can shoot four 70s now when they used to shoot four 72s. What matters is how good what I call the 1Bs are--the smallish group of people who are next-best to whoever's #1. With that in mind, let's take just the top four players from the '40s--Nelson, Snead, Hogan, Mangrum or Demaret, not necessarily in that order. Then, from Nicklaus's time...
...we'll take Jack, Arnie, Player, and Trevino. Or, later, Nicklaus, Watson, Irwin, Floyd. Find me an expert who'd take any four from Woods, Bubba Watson, Donald, Nick Watney, Westwood, Kaymer, Mickelson, McDowell, and Choi (a compendium of top four from the money list, top four in world rank, top four in FedEx standings) and put money on the proposition that they'd beat any top four from Hogan's or Nicklaus's time. I'd love to see the guy who'd stand up and say that.
@emncaity the pga in the 60's had nicklaus,palmer and player and then the field dropped off the cliff.Trevino came out in 68' and gave jack some competition,especially on those small shotmaker courses like merion, but otherwise the fields were pathetic.Swing flaws abounded from lack of technical training.Even palmer and trevino had swing flaws but overcame with their natural skill and tenacity.The 70's saw the fields begin to get deeper as more of the college boys started to hit the tour.
And in that imaginary match of the top four, we'll make them all hit standardized clubs with no game-improvement features. Is your money ready?
The Tour and its sponsors are just so good at indoctrinating people into the "fields are much stronger now" thing that it seems impossible not to be true. Sure, swings tend to be more orthodox these days, but what does that have to do with anything? Ray Floyd at his best would beat the pants off almost all these guys, any given day.
@duckhunt08 lol tiger proly cant win a master at age 36 while jack did it at 46.... you're proly a kid... or black or just dont know anything about golf
@duckhunt08 Dude, check the Masters scoring archives, 1998. Nicklaus 5 under par (at age 58 and just before he had his hips replaced) 6th place, best ever golfer at age 50 years or older. Tiger played that year too...came in 8th and 3 under. Sorry son, people who can read are clearly at advantage ;-).
@duckhunt08 moronic comment, r u one of those who swallow the Nike hype and imagine Woods invented golf. Woods best ever Masters score was only 1 shot lower than Nicklaus and Floyds best, both scored with much inferior equipment, The difference between their scores in their respective prime are minimal
@golddragnet Agree, and I wonder how Woods is going to perform when he reaches Nicklaus age. As late as 2000, Jack played a round 2 under par at age 60..best player ever to do so above 60. When Jack was a young guy, he was the best. When he reached mid age, he was still the best. At 46, he won the Masters again, at 58 came in 6th (!) and still making the cut at 60 shortly after having his hip replaced...that is pure greatness!
@rorikjunior The correct figures are thus: 18 wins, 19 runners-up, 9 thirds, and 55 top tens (including the runners-up and thirds). We are very lucky to have him alive with us now. To me he will always be the greatest, considering the competition he won over.
Diffrent generations, diffrent set of behavioral code. Even those today regarded as classy, often seem to forget taking off their hat during handshake. That is to me so fundamental in golf, the sign of respect, that it should impose a 2stroke penalty. Why cant we just forget and forgive stuff off the course and enjoy what they do ON it. But yes Jack is a tough act to follow.
Jack was the classiest golfer ever to grace the game. Babe ruth, Mohammed Ali, Tiger have nothing on him.
Even if Tiger wins 20 pro majors, Jack will still be number 1 because he won and lost with such humility and grace. Humble in victory and gracious in defeat.
@stevepising no, if Tiger wins 20 majors then Jack won't be number one. That's quite obvious from the numbers involved. If you want a more detailed explanation, email me.
@andrewmcgheeee No more explanation needed. Stevepising hit the nail on the head. Even if lil' eldick breaks Jack's record, he'll still be a low rent P.O.S.
You'd have to give it to him based on the numbers--after all, it IS a game of numbers--but for a lot of people, myself included, character enters into it. It matters what kind of person you are, when it comes to being a champion in golf. It's also true that Tiger simply hasn't had the quality of competition at the top that Nicklaus did. The field is "deep" in the sense of being large, with many wild cards, but the 1Bs now are nothing like the 1Bs then.
....Still, speaking from a purely competitive perspective, and disregarding the character issue entirely, it's true that it is not Woods' fault that he doesn't have Trevino, Watson, Palmer, Player, Casper, Miller, et al. to beat--or guys like Snead, Nelson, Demaret, et al. from Hogan's day. He can beat only the guys who are in front of him, and for years he did that, and has a closet full of testicles to prove it, from guys who were plenty comfortable playing for second.
@scottyray12 Of course back then, drivers weren't much larger than 3 woods. In this instance - a 3 wood - started at the fairway bunker on the left and sliding ever so slightly to the right. Left with a 5 iron into the green, he would later say he felt some wind into his face just as the ball become airborne on the second shot. Faced with a putt of some 60', the eventual Champion left the birdie putt about two inches short, dead on line. Tap in for 30 and a hug from caddie / son Jackie.
"Of course back then, drivers weren't much larger than 3 woods."
Have you looked at any old drivers recently, especially the more compact kind that a lot of the better players used? I have--ran across some old ones from back when I was playing a lot of tournaments and money matches. Those things are _no_ larger than the typical large-headed 3-wood today, I'm convinced of it.
Not only that, with materials being what they are, a good player can hit a modern 3-wood as far as an old driver, or within 10-15 yards of it, most of the time. It's insane.
If you haven't seen one of the old 3-woods recently, I'm telling you, they may be even smaller than you remember. Some were about the same size as some of the mid-sized hybrids. You had to be SO much more precise then about contact. Now, any idiot can hit it 320.
@Karlipbaum Did you see the interview? If not, then you don't get it. You made a blanket statement that took an extremist view unfortunately held by many, but not all, & applied it to every complimentary post on Nicklaus. I agree Nicklaus has conducted himself in public better than Tiger has, but my view has nothing to do with racism. I also supported the election of Obama & think John Daly is pathetic.
@Karlipbaum You'll have to look him up. He admitted he knew nothing about golf, just bought a set of clubs, & was going to watch golf on TV for the 1st time. When asked, he did not acknowledge any golfer besides Tiger - saying Tiger was the best of all time - as possibly being better (across eras) & claimed he was going to win The Masters without question. Totally racially-motivated, regardless of calling out Nicklaus directly or filled with hate. You're applying an extreme across the board.
@Karlipbaum There are no absolutes either way. Did you see John Salley on "Larry King Live" last Thursday evening? If so, you will know I'm not kidding myself. If you didn't, then you have your perception.
@Karlipbaum Of course you set it up by using the term "racists". You could as easliy said, "Hey, Nicklaus fans...Tiger's back! Drink up!" If how you feel about him is irrelevant, then why continue your soapbox? There is race-based commentary both ways on the issue & you know it. A person's definition of a liar depends on that person, the severity of the lie, who it affects, & how much.
@Karlipbaum I have nothing against Tiger & believe he'll win more than 18 majors. I'm aware of reality & couldn't care less about his race. I, too, play golf & at a high level. You don't know my ethnicity nor background. I can't answer for the post ratings. However, as Tiger himself pointed out, he's a liar. There are plenty of blogs, sites, etc. that put Nicklaus down. So racism works both ways, huh? I just responded to your initial post the way you set it up. Maybe next yr, Tiger will win #5.
@Karlipbaum Lying to myself? You mean like Tiger has been doing to himself and all his minions? The only race reference is yours. Get over it. There's no hate from my end, just reality. Come out of your hate-filled, race-tinged closet and experience it for a change.
@Karlipbaum - You're right! Tiger is back and it is still Jack 6 Masters and Tiger 4. Don't let the closet door hit you on the way back in since you interjected the race card.
@acershund - get w/the times dude...you're comparing how people acted some 20 years ago to something RIGHT NOW...you must be a member of the "I'm stuck in the 80's era" clan....
@acershund haven't been a fan of Tiger since that TV match in 99' when he played Duval in prime time and was cursing like a sailor so much that CBS cut his mic off after six holes.
Who's got more talent between Tiger and Jack will be debated forever....but as far as character and class goes, Tiger Woods is not worthy to scrape the goose shit off of Jack Nicklaus' spikes.
@CarolinasPGApro I like your style!! ( like what Sam Kinison said to rodney dangerfield in the movie "Back to School" when Rodney was in his class!!!!
Started before '99 and continued for years (I guess he's making a half-hearted effort to control some of it now, now that he needs image rehab). Anybody who can't be bothered to control his own mouth when he knows millions of kids are watching (and then who humiliates his own wife and children) might be the greatest tournament-winner of his generation, but there's got to be something more to being a golfer than that--and no amount of talent and accomplishment makes up for it.
Why, didn't you know that Tiger and some of the younger players are more "competitive" than Jack was? Than Hogan, too? And Snead? And Jones? Nobody ever "really wanted it" or was "competitive" until this generation. I thought everybody knew that. ;-)
Seriously, I HATE how golf is being turned into just another sport for vulgar idiots. It violates the whole idea of a game that is about self-control, brutal self-honesty, and consideration for others first in every situation.
Oh, you mean the fist-pumping, the teeth-baring, the looking around for the camera.
Gosh, didn't you know that was all because Tiger's so "competitive"? Because, you know, guys like NIcklaus, Hogan, Jones, Watson, et al. weren't as "competitive" as he is. Just ask any of his fans.
@battycrease1992 That is opinion..Like everything else but the laws of physics and facts themselves.
Parading around the greens pumping fists and yelling @ the top of one's lumgs is childish behavior.If my Mom saw me doing that, she would say "Who the hell do you think you are? You look foolish doing that. Knock it off"..But Tiger is an only child. ost likely he had his way of everything. I came from a large family where there were NO favorites. His behavior cost him a marriage.
@acershund hating on a person for his real emotions is like on a person for how they walk...but you would never understand cus' you probably never had a putt so important that just couldn't control your emotions..tigers has a lot...so did jack.ex: 70' open. and your probably really old or racist or just a really big fan of jack... and is scared that TW might pass his record.but you know what.know matter how many more majors tiger will win, Jack will always be the better person and golfer
@acershund shut up you old timer. tiger woods attitude on the course has changed and helped the game of golf better than jack ever did. more people, and mainly athletes, now play the game of golf thanks to tiger
And by the way--which part of his attitude are you talking about? The part where he curses in front of children all the time, year after year; the part where he refuses to sign a golf ball for charity like all the other players; the part where he acts like a petulant child, like he's the only guy who's ever missed a putt, and that both golf and whatever tournament he's playing in were made only for him; or the part where he pushes fans out of the way after a bad break?
Depends on how it's celebrated. Not every celebration is out of place, sure. And it's not like none of the players in Jack's or Hogan's day ever celebrated a great shot. It's all in how it's done.
jack is the best of ALL TIME barr none so far and he was and is a great roll model for anyone cant say that about ,,,,, all tour players or sports figures but jack was and is a class act now check the best golf lessons on the tube out at hitmanhawky and pull my swing up beside jacks and see why i hit it so good same positions through hitting area i learned by golf my way yep jack is a class act thanks jack
best golfer in history , tiger blew it , hell never win 5 majors especialy if he misses this year where 3 of the 4 tournaments he has won already , st andrews, pebble, augusta,, he should leave the game in disgrace , Jack is a great role model for kids tiger is a great role model for the hip hop inner city scum
Not sure about the inner city scum thing. But i'm definitely not sure about the 'never win 5 majors' thing. Tiger will be back for the CA Championship at Doral, then to Arnies, and then to Augusta. Tiger could sit out the next 2 years and still have enough to win 5 more majors before he dies. Who's going to beat him? Ricky Fowler? Rory McIlroy? Anthony Kim? Don't let Tiger's off course behavior cloud your judgement regarding his golf game. He'll have Nicklaus' record by the 2013 PGA.
i hope they boo and heckle the shit outta him , i never liked his arrogance on the golf course , not a fan , its nice that everyone can now see the scumbag that he is , theres a word i dont use that he is
well, 'they' just might heckle and boo him into oblivion. i was a fan. still am, but it's not the same. to think he won't eclipse Nicklaus, though, is a stretch. i'd prefer he weren't a philandering d-bag, though. The question is, how will the public respond when he does win again. My take is that, with time, he'll revered again, but only for his golf.
i respect the mans abilities , people werent crazy about Hogan or even Jack but for different reasons , if Tiger was screwing around with normal chicks and not porn stars it would be different , kinda sleezy ??? just really low for a man who i thought was decent ,,
i agree. wierd in a psycho sort of way. i think the guy needs help. he certainly appeared to be a straight shooter. i mean, if he had just an affair w/ some gal that would be one thing (still f'd up, but different0. you never like to find out your 'hero' is a pervert. that's just creepy. i thought he was decent, too. i hope he gets some help. his marriage is done, but he needs to get himself straightened out. i just hope he doesn't freak out and take a bunch of zanex or something.
he may not mentally recover from the tabloid scorn , i just heard he was seen in the trump plaza hotel for a week with several hookers coming in and out he also reportedly ordered 15 bottles of vodka during his stay ??? wtf? the man is sick !!!
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@thefightbeginswithu Palmer did the same things as tiger(witch is why hes been quiet about Tigers deal), with beezies n such, n u probly jack off to him!! lol
wow on the last tee shot of the last major he won he stuck it with a fade, the shot he was famous for. the greatest golfer of all time. I wish watson could have got up in down on the 18th this year. that was what he was famous for. The golf world was cheated when watson didnt win the Brittish open.
nah, Jack hit a slight fade there lyk, U cud seee it cuttin just at the end of the video, if it wasnt on the fairway, it wud hav bin down the rough on the right.
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It's foolish to think Tiger has the same level of competition as Jack did. As a non-Tiger fan, I'll be the first to say he may be the most talented golfer ever, but at the same time there's no telling what guys like Ben Hogan, Jack et. al the greats could have done in their prime with today's technology IMHO.
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They really have. Just look at Augusta. In fact look at the Masters 1986, on 17th tee Jack pulled his drive and ended up with a good lide and a shot to the green. In 2009 Tiger pulled his drive and because of the changes ended up behind a tree with no shot.
No way to know what Hogan and Nicklaus would shoot today with all the equipment advances - Jones, too for that matter. Just like we'll never know what Tiger would have shot decades ago with the inferior equipment, etc.
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People who are clinging to Jack(for the same reasons I like Tiger...we saw it happen) shouldnt try to make the distinction between the two...2 reasons for this...1)maybe a little jealousy of a younger man besting your generations best or 2)does it bother you that a mixed race man took this sport away from you too...(this from a caucasian)
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The people he was playing against had the same standard of ball, so it is no more impressive than anyone winning a tour event today with updated technology.
The golden era of golf is over. The era when caddies shagged balls out in the range. Rabbits were common, and non corporate private country clubs were common venues, and $186,000 in 1973 won you the Money Title (Johnny Miller),
the best player of all time is in his prime, enjoy it instead of pining for crappy old bottle merchants like doug sanders. johnny miller wouldn't be in the worlds top 100 today.
i wish the swings of today had as much character as the old ones. back in the day no one swung the club quite the same. of course this is basically still true today, but modern golf instruction (save for a few notable teachers) has turned the swing into a math equation rather than an athletic movement unique to the player.
"In the old days you could have Nicklaus, Palmer, Trevino, Raymond Floyd, Gary Player, all on the range, and you could be 300 yards from them, and you'd know which one was which," Sutton said. "Today, if you don't get right up in their face so you can read their names on their bags, they all look alike. They're so caught up in mechanics. Well, golf has always been a game of feel. All of the sudden it's almost like it's not a game of feel.
Akin to different makes and models in the automobile industry. From a distance, they all look the same. If it wasn't for the hood ornament, you can't tell a Toyota from a Ford .. a Ford from a Crysler ... A Crysler from a GM product. Like cars, have golf swings become a commodity that spells .... BORING!
so jim furyk's swing is the same as tiger woods's and jeev milka singhs swing is the same to mikelsons swing and garcias swings is the same as harringtons swing,yes they have mechanics but they dont all look the same i believe that is hogans fault for is glass plane idea
you think Goosen's swing is modern and text book? look again sir, you are way off. also, take a look at young Rory Mccilroy's swing, or any of the Ryder Cup swings for that matter. If you find 2 the same get back to me. You won't.
He's still the greatest golfer. Until Tiger gets 19, Jack is the best ever. Jack finished in the Top 10 in Majors 73 times! He was 2nd, 19 times in majors. No one will equal jacks records in majors. And someone once asked jack if he had known he would be challenged for majors someday, he said he might of played his career differently to concentrate solely on winning majors. Understand that no one had won more than 10 majors, so Jack had no records to chase. Tiger does. It does make a difference.
Good observations. You are correct, even if Tiger wins 20 majors, Jack will still have the best overall record. I also believe history will look to Jack's longevity of great play as his legacy more than simply 18 major wins.
"Noone will equal Jacks records in majors." Tiger is already well ahead of where Jack was. Furthermore there is every reason to suspect that the longevity of Tigers career will be just as good if not better than Jacks. The 1986 Masters didn't reflect Jack's play when after he hit 40. His play in his 40s was simply not as good. So I would actually be surprised if history does look to his longevity.
"Furthermore there is every reason to suspect that the longevity of Tigers career will be just as good if not better than Jacks."
"The 1986 Masters didn't reflect Jack's play when after he hit 40. His play in his 40s was simply not as good. So I would actually be surprised if history does look to his longevity."
Wow! Your posts are getting more and more nonsensical all the time. Try learning about the game - past and present - vs. just fantasizing about Tiger.
Yeah, uhh...Jack was playing about 10 to 12 tournaments a year at age 40 and beyond. Jack won 15 majors in his first 17 years on tour and 17 in 19 years. Thus far at the same stage in their careers, Tiger is 2 ahead. Learn about the game, not just Tiger.
one of the most buttery swings in golf
fwayndo1 3 months ago
epic fade...but everyone plays a fade on the 18th hole. if not your in the fairway bunker on the leftt.
LimitedEdition500 4 months ago
does he pull fade it? i can never tell but it would look like it
nikepumps123 5 months ago
@nikepumps123 definitely NOT a pull.Ball starts out exactly where he is aiming (and looking when he turns his head to look at the target). He did fade it. Jack always said he licked to aim at the bunker and fade it into the fairway on this hole
TheNYgolfer 5 months ago
@TheNYgolfer i was just thinking that the easiest way to fade it is coming over the top just a bit. it looks to me like he might have just a hair. but you could right. hard to say
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@nikepumps123 Learn Golf terminology!!!..... a "pull" is playing a draw but insted of starting it out right of the target you start it straight at it or even left of it and still hit the "draw". A "fade" is where the ball goes straight and falls off to the right as its coming down. This is called a "cut", his body is wide open and hes aiming down the left side of the fairway. To be fair, this could be considered a "punch cut" bc of how low it comes off the club face....
gatorsjf 5 months ago
@gatorsjf you learn golf terminology fuckface
nikepumps123 5 months ago
@nikepumps123 Hey.... I'm just trying to help you not sound like a complete IDIOT when you're on the golf course... you're prolly the jackass that "pulls" a putt and goes " I pushed the putt"......FAGGOT!
gatorsjf 5 months ago
@gatorsjf jokes on you i dont ever miss putts!
nikepumps123 5 months ago
@nikepumps123 yeah. sure.
Memblem 3 months ago
Jack plays a natural fade of which he says gives more control than a draw. As lee Trevino once said you can talk to the fade but you can not talk to the hook.
whachoutb4 6 months ago
@whachoutb4 Actually its "You can talk to a Fade, but a Hook won't listen." But still a good point, Jack did get more control with a fade.
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whachoutb4 6 months ago
@whachoutb4 Yep, no problem. I've always heard that phrase. And I bet Jack did love this hole. In fact he loved the whole course. Jack always played well here because he hit the ball so high. Augusta demands that you hit the ball high. Thats why Lee Trevino always struggled at the Masters, he always had that low ball flight, so it was hard for him to stop the Golf ball when he hit into greens.
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jamestargetedindiv 6 months ago
the best ever. that's all i got to say.
pieceofcake125 6 months ago
thank god for the gene simmons inspired spiked shoes. what a bunch of fucking fags...
latka101 7 months ago
For being the winningest player in golf, his swing is far from good looking to me. That kind of "step" into the ball looks awkward, and his balance is far from excellent. Still, he won 18 majors, goes to show golf is about more than a pretty swing.
Chris741113 7 months ago
@Chris741113 your an idiot
sendmenosigns 7 months ago
@sendmenosigns You're**
crowlandtown 6 months ago
@sendmenosigns
And why is that? You think my comment was way wrong? I guess you are the real idiot.
Chris741113 6 months ago
nicklaus was the first "college boy" to hit the tour but he had a head start on the baby boomers by about 5 years as jack was 21 when he won the open in '61.After the war america had the prosperity to build the courses and all the kids that were born after the war had the time and money to learn the game.It's just a sheer matter of statistics.So u started seeing guys like johnny miller and hale irwin and lanny wadkins...........the list goes on.
rw5791 7 months ago
U can not make me do anything. U have opinion nothing more. So sorry for U
acershund1 8 months ago
so niiice
Look at that clubhead, barely bigger than the ball!!
ElGolfeux 8 months ago
absolutely perfect. open stance aiming left of target line where he wants the ball to start, with an open clubface facing target line, swinging across the line of his feet, letting thye ball cut back. text book fade. for those who want to emlate this shot, look no further
12345smallisland 8 months ago
how can you dislike this video?! this guys swing is the best thing since sliced bread
DjHook765 8 months ago
Hitting a driver that is about the size of most hybrids or 3-woods(metals) now.
17865329 9 months ago
@17865329
Yeah seriously. The size of the drivers and woods they use now are abosolutely insane.
tastybrownies 9 months ago
loving the skiddy nipper
MrAshleyclem 10 months ago
Could we see the ball land please??
Hicks055 10 months ago
@acershund shut the hell up who gives a damn about class. We all know good and well tiger is better than jack ever was yeah hes struggling now but just wait. Tiger is on another level as i recall jack nicklaus NEVER WON A US OPEN BY 15 SHOTS! no'one could do that but tiger because hes the greatest ever
hlggolf21 10 months ago
@hlggolf21 Well, classy people do..;-) Jack had a similar slump as Tiger has now and he managed to fight back winning the Masters at 46. Let us wait and see what Tiger is capable of. It is totally irrelevant by how many shots a tournament is won, main thing you win. Nicklaus never tried to impress others by "overpowering" the competition as Tiger e.g. did in the British Open 2000. He always played defensively, then slowly rolling up the field from behind..
rorikjunior 10 months ago
@rorikjunior Calling yourself classy=not classy
duckhunt08 9 months ago
@duckhunt08 Ever heard of irony? Othervise look it up in your dicitionary (search the letter "i" btw). Besides, is it "classy" to call other people "fools", idiots and whatnot else i have seen here on youtube...?
rorikjunior 9 months ago
@rorikjunior
Actually, Tiger's "overpowering" of the field is a commentary on the weakness of the field, as is his unbelievable closing rate when he has the lead in the final round (because people routinely fall apart for him both in final rounds and in playoffs). Woods has nobody the quality of Player, Palmer, Trevino, Watson, et al. to beat. Not that that's his fault; he can beat only who's in front of him. But it's the simple truth.
emncaity 8 months ago
@emncaity find me an expert who says the fields are weaker today than in the 60's.There were a lot of funky swings back in jacks day but any pga event today has nothing but solid players from top to bottom.And I'm no tiger fan but at least give him his due.
rw5791 7 months ago
@rw5791
I don't give two shits about an "expert" in this matter. At all. In the nonexempt structure, you have tons of players, some really talented, some marginally talented with game-improvement equipment, firing at every flag on every day of the tournament, like 300 all-in-every-time amateurs at a poker event against five really good players. Nicklaus himself predicted the diluting and distorting effect this would have eventually, and he was completely right...
emncaity 7 months ago
@rw5791
...But maybe that argument is a little too subtle. This is more direct: It doesn't matter at all that the bottom half of the field can shoot four 70s now when they used to shoot four 72s. What matters is how good what I call the 1Bs are--the smallish group of people who are next-best to whoever's #1. With that in mind, let's take just the top four players from the '40s--Nelson, Snead, Hogan, Mangrum or Demaret, not necessarily in that order. Then, from Nicklaus's time...
emncaity 7 months ago
@rw5791
...we'll take Jack, Arnie, Player, and Trevino. Or, later, Nicklaus, Watson, Irwin, Floyd. Find me an expert who'd take any four from Woods, Bubba Watson, Donald, Nick Watney, Westwood, Kaymer, Mickelson, McDowell, and Choi (a compendium of top four from the money list, top four in world rank, top four in FedEx standings) and put money on the proposition that they'd beat any top four from Hogan's or Nicklaus's time. I'd love to see the guy who'd stand up and say that.
emncaity 7 months ago
@emncaity the pga in the 60's had nicklaus,palmer and player and then the field dropped off the cliff.Trevino came out in 68' and gave jack some competition,especially on those small shotmaker courses like merion, but otherwise the fields were pathetic.Swing flaws abounded from lack of technical training.Even palmer and trevino had swing flaws but overcame with their natural skill and tenacity.The 70's saw the fields begin to get deeper as more of the college boys started to hit the tour.
rw5791 7 months ago
@rw5791
And in that imaginary match of the top four, we'll make them all hit standardized clubs with no game-improvement features. Is your money ready?
The Tour and its sponsors are just so good at indoctrinating people into the "fields are much stronger now" thing that it seems impossible not to be true. Sure, swings tend to be more orthodox these days, but what does that have to do with anything? Ray Floyd at his best would beat the pants off almost all these guys, any given day.
emncaity 7 months ago
@hlggolf21 Higgo--or is if really HIPPO?? I am NOT going to listen to U because I do NOT listen to unter lieben
If I see a reply from U I will simply delete it instantly and move on. Ur opinion is worthless.
acershund1 9 months ago
Man that sounded solid!
BigMustardTiger 11 months ago
Tiger would have dropped Jack 365 days out of the year. Sorry grandpa, theres a new and better generation
duckhunt08 11 months ago
@duckhunt08 lol tiger proly cant win a master at age 36 while jack did it at 46.... you're proly a kid... or black or just dont know anything about golf
BoHoVsGolf 11 months ago
@duckhunt08 Dude, check the Masters scoring archives, 1998. Nicklaus 5 under par (at age 58 and just before he had his hips replaced) 6th place, best ever golfer at age 50 years or older. Tiger played that year too...came in 8th and 3 under. Sorry son, people who can read are clearly at advantage ;-).
rorikjunior 11 months ago
@rorikjunior Three years later Tiger holds all four majors at one time. Hmmmm, I don't remember Nicklaus ever doing that. Sorry buddy
duckhunt08 11 months ago
@duckhunt08 moronic comment, r u one of those who swallow the Nike hype and imagine Woods invented golf. Woods best ever Masters score was only 1 shot lower than Nicklaus and Floyds best, both scored with much inferior equipment, The difference between their scores in their respective prime are minimal
golddragnet 11 months ago
@golddragnet Agree, and I wonder how Woods is going to perform when he reaches Nicklaus age. As late as 2000, Jack played a round 2 under par at age 60..best player ever to do so above 60. When Jack was a young guy, he was the best. When he reached mid age, he was still the best. At 46, he won the Masters again, at 58 came in 6th (!) and still making the cut at 60 shortly after having his hip replaced...that is pure greatness!
rorikjunior 10 months ago
@rorikjunior Don't forget, dude, in addition to Jack's 18 majors, he had 19 runners-up!
RK831 10 months ago
@RK831 Yeah, and I believe to have read total 57 top 3 placements at Majors...
rorikjunior 10 months ago
@rorikjunior The correct figures are thus: 18 wins, 19 runners-up, 9 thirds and 55 top tens. We are very lucky that he is alive in our generation.
RK831 10 months ago
@rorikjunior The correct figures are thus: 18 wins, 19 runners-up, 9 thirds, and 55 top tens (including the runners-up and thirds). We are very lucky to have him alive with us now. To me he will always be the greatest, considering the competition he won over.
RK831 10 months ago
@duckhunt08 Jees, you again! What a prat-are you Tiger's love child!
cockywatchman1976 11 months ago
Diffrent generations, diffrent set of behavioral code. Even those today regarded as classy, often seem to forget taking off their hat during handshake. That is to me so fundamental in golf, the sign of respect, that it should impose a 2stroke penalty. Why cant we just forget and forgive stuff off the course and enjoy what they do ON it. But yes Jack is a tough act to follow.
barath4545 1 year ago
well i know he hit it solid but my god could you be any more slumped over the ball
holyrocnroll 1 year ago
Heads were smaller then-but still that looks like a 3 wood
cockywatchman1976 1 year ago
i absolutely love his swing. watch how he is hunched, but right at the top of his backswing he gets into a PERFECT posture! legend
smithyjtb 1 year ago
Jack was the classiest golfer ever to grace the game. Babe ruth, Mohammed Ali, Tiger have nothing on him.
Even if Tiger wins 20 pro majors, Jack will still be number 1 because he won and lost with such humility and grace. Humble in victory and gracious in defeat.
stevepising 1 year ago
@stevepising no, if Tiger wins 20 majors then Jack won't be number one. That's quite obvious from the numbers involved. If you want a more detailed explanation, email me.
andrewmcgheeee 1 year ago
@andrewmcgheeee No more explanation needed. Stevepising hit the nail on the head. Even if lil' eldick breaks Jack's record, he'll still be a low rent P.O.S.
tchwiss 1 year ago
@andrewmcgheeee
You'd have to give it to him based on the numbers--after all, it IS a game of numbers--but for a lot of people, myself included, character enters into it. It matters what kind of person you are, when it comes to being a champion in golf. It's also true that Tiger simply hasn't had the quality of competition at the top that Nicklaus did. The field is "deep" in the sense of being large, with many wild cards, but the 1Bs now are nothing like the 1Bs then.
emncaity 1 year ago
@andrewmcgheeee
....Still, speaking from a purely competitive perspective, and disregarding the character issue entirely, it's true that it is not Woods' fault that he doesn't have Trevino, Watson, Palmer, Player, Casper, Miller, et al. to beat--or guys like Snead, Nelson, Demaret, et al. from Hogan's day. He can beat only the guys who are in front of him, and for years he did that, and has a closet full of testicles to prove it, from guys who were plenty comfortable playing for second.
emncaity 1 year ago
@emncaity oh boy, I see you got to throw in another et al. there champ .....good job ............dork
bicklesby1 8 months ago
@bicklesby1
As did you, idiot. You may now talk entirely to yourself, a practice with which I'm sure you're well-accustomed.
emncaity 8 months ago
It's hard to imagine they played with drivers that small
scottyray12 1 year ago
@scottyray12 That's a 3wood.
hotroute 1 year ago
@hotroute oh.
scottyray12 1 year ago
@scottyray12 Of course back then, drivers weren't much larger than 3 woods. In this instance - a 3 wood - started at the fairway bunker on the left and sliding ever so slightly to the right. Left with a 5 iron into the green, he would later say he felt some wind into his face just as the ball become airborne on the second shot. Faced with a putt of some 60', the eventual Champion left the birdie putt about two inches short, dead on line. Tap in for 30 and a hug from caddie / son Jackie.
hotroute 1 year ago
@hotroute
"Of course back then, drivers weren't much larger than 3 woods."
Have you looked at any old drivers recently, especially the more compact kind that a lot of the better players used? I have--ran across some old ones from back when I was playing a lot of tournaments and money matches. Those things are _no_ larger than the typical large-headed 3-wood today, I'm convinced of it.
emncaity 1 year ago
@hotroute
Not only that, with materials being what they are, a good player can hit a modern 3-wood as far as an old driver, or within 10-15 yards of it, most of the time. It's insane.
If you haven't seen one of the old 3-woods recently, I'm telling you, they may be even smaller than you remember. Some were about the same size as some of the mid-sized hybrids. You had to be SO much more precise then about contact. Now, any idiot can hit it 320.
emncaity 1 year ago
@Karlipbaum Definitely a great deal of truth to what you're saying.
SmallDannyJW 1 year ago
Jack is the king, Tiger will never be better. Nicklaus is the greatest golfer who has ever lived.
GeorgiaDawgs804 1 year ago
@GeorgiaDawgs804 Looks lik ethe statement is going to hold. Tiger i think is done on with Dominance.
scottyray12 1 year ago
@Karlipbaum Try to catch the interview with the others also questioned as who the best player ever is and you'll see what I mean.
sretsam68 1 year ago
@Karlipbaum Did you see the interview? If not, then you don't get it. You made a blanket statement that took an extremist view unfortunately held by many, but not all, & applied it to every complimentary post on Nicklaus. I agree Nicklaus has conducted himself in public better than Tiger has, but my view has nothing to do with racism. I also supported the election of Obama & think John Daly is pathetic.
sretsam68 1 year ago
@Karlipbaum You'll have to look him up. He admitted he knew nothing about golf, just bought a set of clubs, & was going to watch golf on TV for the 1st time. When asked, he did not acknowledge any golfer besides Tiger - saying Tiger was the best of all time - as possibly being better (across eras) & claimed he was going to win The Masters without question. Totally racially-motivated, regardless of calling out Nicklaus directly or filled with hate. You're applying an extreme across the board.
sretsam68 1 year ago
@Karlipbaum There are no absolutes either way. Did you see John Salley on "Larry King Live" last Thursday evening? If so, you will know I'm not kidding myself. If you didn't, then you have your perception.
sretsam68 1 year ago
@Karlipbaum Of course you set it up by using the term "racists". You could as easliy said, "Hey, Nicklaus fans...Tiger's back! Drink up!" If how you feel about him is irrelevant, then why continue your soapbox? There is race-based commentary both ways on the issue & you know it. A person's definition of a liar depends on that person, the severity of the lie, who it affects, & how much.
sretsam68 1 year ago
@Karlipbaum I have nothing against Tiger & believe he'll win more than 18 majors. I'm aware of reality & couldn't care less about his race. I, too, play golf & at a high level. You don't know my ethnicity nor background. I can't answer for the post ratings. However, as Tiger himself pointed out, he's a liar. There are plenty of blogs, sites, etc. that put Nicklaus down. So racism works both ways, huh? I just responded to your initial post the way you set it up. Maybe next yr, Tiger will win #5.
sretsam68 1 year ago
@Karlipbaum Lying to myself? You mean like Tiger has been doing to himself and all his minions? The only race reference is yours. Get over it. There's no hate from my end, just reality. Come out of your hate-filled, race-tinged closet and experience it for a change.
sretsam68 1 year ago
@Karlipbaum - You're right! Tiger is back and it is still Jack 6 Masters and Tiger 4. Don't let the closet door hit you on the way back in since you interjected the race card.
sretsam68 1 year ago
Tiger doesn't have 1% of Jack's class, Jack is the greatest of all time, none can touch him.
mktriton 1 year ago
Yes.. jack was a class act. None of that Tiger childishness parading around the green, yelling at the top of his lungs.
Nope. not Jack. Jack had class.
acershund 1 year ago 29
@acershund - get w/the times dude...you're comparing how people acted some 20 years ago to something RIGHT NOW...you must be a member of the "I'm stuck in the 80's era" clan....
MrSixFive 1 year ago
@MrSixFive What you say is immaterial to me. Like water off a duck's back. Hahaha!
acershund 1 year ago
@acershund haven't been a fan of Tiger since that TV match in 99' when he played Duval in prime time and was cursing like a sailor so much that CBS cut his mic off after six holes.
Who's got more talent between Tiger and Jack will be debated forever....but as far as character and class goes, Tiger Woods is not worthy to scrape the goose shit off of Jack Nicklaus' spikes.
CarolinasPGApro 1 year ago
@CarolinasPGApro I like your style!! ( like what Sam Kinison said to rodney dangerfield in the movie "Back to School" when Rodney was in his class!!!!
You got it right!
acershund 1 year ago
@CarolinasPGApro
Started before '99 and continued for years (I guess he's making a half-hearted effort to control some of it now, now that he needs image rehab). Anybody who can't be bothered to control his own mouth when he knows millions of kids are watching (and then who humiliates his own wife and children) might be the greatest tournament-winner of his generation, but there's got to be something more to being a golfer than that--and no amount of talent and accomplishment makes up for it.
emncaity 1 year ago
@CarolinasPGApro ABC not CBS.
hotroute 1 year ago
@hotroute
Now that I think about it you're right....I stand corrected sir.
CarolinasPGApro 1 year ago
@acershund except when he tossed his putter into the air at St. Andrew
jimk7525 1 year ago
@acershund
Why, didn't you know that Tiger and some of the younger players are more "competitive" than Jack was? Than Hogan, too? And Snead? And Jones? Nobody ever "really wanted it" or was "competitive" until this generation. I thought everybody knew that. ;-)
Seriously, I HATE how golf is being turned into just another sport for vulgar idiots. It violates the whole idea of a game that is about self-control, brutal self-honesty, and consideration for others first in every situation.
emncaity 1 year ago
@acershund
Oh, you mean the fist-pumping, the teeth-baring, the looking around for the camera.
Gosh, didn't you know that was all because Tiger's so "competitive"? Because, you know, guys like NIcklaus, Hogan, Jones, Watson, et al. weren't as "competitive" as he is. Just ask any of his fans.
Barf.
emncaity 1 year ago
@acershund Slightly harsh on Tiger Woods you might say.
battycrease1992 1 year ago
@battycrease1992 That is opinion..Like everything else but the laws of physics and facts themselves.
Parading around the greens pumping fists and yelling @ the top of one's lumgs is childish behavior.If my Mom saw me doing that, she would say "Who the hell do you think you are? You look foolish doing that. Knock it off"..But Tiger is an only child. ost likely he had his way of everything. I came from a large family where there were NO favorites. His behavior cost him a marriage.
acershund 1 year ago
@acershund fuck you tiger has emotion and tiger has brought youthful exuberance to the game
carderthaboss 1 year ago
@carderthaboss U R a Child..You are so small that U could be baby sat by Tiger himself...
I will not respond to any more of your childish like, Tiger like behavior. U Both belong in Da 'Hood!!
acershund 1 year ago
@acershund hating on a person for his real emotions is like on a person for how they walk...but you would never understand cus' you probably never had a putt so important that just couldn't control your emotions..tigers has a lot...so did jack.ex: 70' open. and your probably really old or racist or just a really big fan of jack... and is scared that TW might pass his record.but you know what.know matter how many more majors tiger will win, Jack will always be the better person and golfer
BoHoVsGolf 1 year ago
@carderthaboss He also brought some emotional youthful exubernace to some skank hoes.
Just sayin.......
marcusdolby1 1 year ago
Jack HAS class!
LTL220 11 months ago
@acershund shut up you old timer. tiger woods attitude on the course has changed and helped the game of golf better than jack ever did. more people, and mainly athletes, now play the game of golf thanks to tiger
Longshot32 9 months ago
@Longshot32
Yeah, that's the party line, alright. Go read something else from the popular press, TV, or the PGA Tour's press releases.
In all seriousness, you really mark yourself for exactly what you are by saying what you're saying here. It really does speak for itself.
emncaity 8 months ago
@Longshot32
And by the way--which part of his attitude are you talking about? The part where he curses in front of children all the time, year after year; the part where he refuses to sign a golf ball for charity like all the other players; the part where he acts like a petulant child, like he's the only guy who's ever missed a putt, and that both golf and whatever tournament he's playing in were made only for him; or the part where he pushes fans out of the way after a bad break?
emncaity 8 months ago
@acershund that's half the fuckheads in golf now tbh, well the ones from the usa anyway.
silowhore 8 months ago
@acershund I agree Jack had class but celebrating after a great shot isn't low class. Golf needs celebrations.
bigsleep32 8 months ago
@bigsleep32
Depends on how it's celebrated. Not every celebration is out of place, sure. And it's not like none of the players in Jack's or Hogan's day ever celebrated a great shot. It's all in how it's done.
emncaity 7 months ago
@acershund Tiger has more of a winning mentality he does not really know what he does on the golf course because he is in the "tiger zone"
f0cusen 7 months ago
jack is the best of ALL TIME barr none so far and he was and is a great roll model for anyone cant say that about ,,,,, all tour players or sports figures but jack was and is a class act now check the best golf lessons on the tube out at hitmanhawky and pull my swing up beside jacks and see why i hit it so good same positions through hitting area i learned by golf my way yep jack is a class act thanks jack
hitmanhawky 2 years ago 9
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@hitmanhawky lol thats YOUR opinion that no1 gives a shit about!!! k
yummpyummp 1 year ago
you must give a s.. you took time to reply hehe
hitmanhawky 1 year ago 8
@hitmanhawky - your swing is about as common of a swing at any driving range...now please stop hawking your sorry YT channel and get a life!
MrSixFive 1 year ago
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I love Tiger, he is the best, young and talented. I don understand how you people judge his private life! you should only envy him
Tortu1975 2 years ago
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He sucks, old jerk, Tiger rules
kukke25 2 years ago
@kukke25
Tiger couldn't hold Nicklaus' jockstrap, fool.
RELubber 2 years ago 13
@RELubber - Umm, Golfers don't wear jockstraps, fool! hahaha - you fool!
TheWBarry 9 months ago
@TheWBarry From the appearance of your channel page, i'm guessing you don't either.
RELubber 9 months ago
best golfer in history , tiger blew it , hell never win 5 majors especialy if he misses this year where 3 of the 4 tournaments he has won already , st andrews, pebble, augusta,, he should leave the game in disgrace , Jack is a great role model for kids tiger is a great role model for the hip hop inner city scum
thefightbeginswithu 2 years ago
Not sure about the inner city scum thing. But i'm definitely not sure about the 'never win 5 majors' thing. Tiger will be back for the CA Championship at Doral, then to Arnies, and then to Augusta. Tiger could sit out the next 2 years and still have enough to win 5 more majors before he dies. Who's going to beat him? Ricky Fowler? Rory McIlroy? Anthony Kim? Don't let Tiger's off course behavior cloud your judgement regarding his golf game. He'll have Nicklaus' record by the 2013 PGA.
earthshine2k 2 years ago
i hope they boo and heckle the shit outta him , i never liked his arrogance on the golf course , not a fan , its nice that everyone can now see the scumbag that he is , theres a word i dont use that he is
thefightbeginswithu 2 years ago 8
well, 'they' just might heckle and boo him into oblivion. i was a fan. still am, but it's not the same. to think he won't eclipse Nicklaus, though, is a stretch. i'd prefer he weren't a philandering d-bag, though. The question is, how will the public respond when he does win again. My take is that, with time, he'll revered again, but only for his golf.
earthshine2k 2 years ago
i respect the mans abilities , people werent crazy about Hogan or even Jack but for different reasons , if Tiger was screwing around with normal chicks and not porn stars it would be different , kinda sleezy ??? just really low for a man who i thought was decent ,,
thefightbeginswithu 2 years ago
i agree. wierd in a psycho sort of way. i think the guy needs help. he certainly appeared to be a straight shooter. i mean, if he had just an affair w/ some gal that would be one thing (still f'd up, but different0. you never like to find out your 'hero' is a pervert. that's just creepy. i thought he was decent, too. i hope he gets some help. his marriage is done, but he needs to get himself straightened out. i just hope he doesn't freak out and take a bunch of zanex or something.
earthshine2k 2 years ago
he may not mentally recover from the tabloid scorn , i just heard he was seen in the trump plaza hotel for a week with several hookers coming in and out he also reportedly ordered 15 bottles of vodka during his stay ??? wtf? the man is sick !!!
thefightbeginswithu 2 years ago
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@thefightbeginswithu Palmer did the same things as tiger(witch is why hes been quiet about Tigers deal), with beezies n such, n u probly jack off to him!! lol
yummpyummp 1 year ago
@thefightbeginswithu As Lynyrd Skynyrd said:
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!"
acershund 1 year ago
"Couldn't walk it out there any better, Pat."
sretsam68 2 years ago
Wow what a shot, do u see how small that head of the driver is , the pros would crap themselves if they pick up a driver like that :)
lasherza 2 years ago
i played through the week with old clubs and a balata ball and it is a differtent story bt when u nut 1 nothing compares!!
kirklazerus 2 years ago 3
@lasherza True..today's young guns would crap their pants because they'd think they're hitting a 7-wood...LOL
cebukid70 2 years ago 5
hahaha ya id like to see the pros of today play with 8 degree persimmon heads the size of a 5 wood , you wouldnt see 62-63 very often
thefightbeginswithu 2 years ago
He hit 3 wood, there.
earthshine2k 2 years ago
wow on the last tee shot of the last major he won he stuck it with a fade, the shot he was famous for. the greatest golfer of all time. I wish watson could have got up in down on the 18th this year. that was what he was famous for. The golf world was cheated when watson didnt win the Brittish open.
flintrox 2 years ago 21
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second greatest of all time....
mattyco1234 2 years ago
nah, Jack hit a slight fade there lyk, U cud seee it cuttin just at the end of the video, if it wasnt on the fairway, it wud hav bin down the rough on the right.
richiewateva 2 years ago
It ended up in the middle of the fairway and it was a fade because that was Jacks preferred shot shape.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago 3
top spot mate!!! yep, fade alright, check out his feet line...
What a shot!!!
brattycaz 2 years ago 7
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It's foolish to think Tiger has the same level of competition as Jack did. As a non-Tiger fan, I'll be the first to say he may be the most talented golfer ever, but at the same time there's no telling what guys like Ben Hogan, Jack et. al the greats could have done in their prime with today's technology IMHO.
stpb21 2 years ago
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The courses have been adjusted to deal with the changes in technology, Hogan and Jacks scoring wouldn't be any better than the scoring now days.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago
I'm a tiger fan, but smalldannyjw, you can't say that for sure, the courses haven't been adjusted much..
setonhall5 2 years ago 3
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They really have. Just look at Augusta. In fact look at the Masters 1986, on 17th tee Jack pulled his drive and ended up with a good lide and a shot to the green. In 2009 Tiger pulled his drive and because of the changes ended up behind a tree with no shot.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago
Tiger hit his drive right in 2009 (final round right?). It looks like jack pulled it, but it came back into the fairway
setonhall5 2 years ago
I'm talking about hole 17.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago
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nah.....courses are ridiculously harder nowadays, at least the ones the guys on tour play.....its just the evolution of the game
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sretsam68 2 years ago
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No way to know what Hogan and Nicklaus would shoot today with all the equipment advances - Jones, too for that matter. Just like we'll never know what Tiger would have shot decades ago with the inferior equipment, etc.
sretsam68 2 years ago
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No way to know for sure but we can get a pretty good idea. Especially when talking about someone as recent as Nicklaus.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago
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People who are clinging to Jack(for the same reasons I like Tiger...we saw it happen) shouldnt try to make the distinction between the two...2 reasons for this...1)maybe a little jealousy of a younger man besting your generations best or 2)does it bother you that a mixed race man took this sport away from you too...(this from a caucasian)
PUArtista 2 years ago
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The people he was playing against had the same standard of ball, so it is no more impressive than anyone winning a tour event today with updated technology.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago
The golden era of golf is over. The era when caddies shagged balls out in the range. Rabbits were common, and non corporate private country clubs were common venues, and $186,000 in 1973 won you the Money Title (Johnny Miller),
directorwvp2 2 years ago
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stop moaning about the state of golf. geez
the best player of all time is in his prime, enjoy it instead of pining for crappy old bottle merchants like doug sanders. johnny miller wouldn't be in the worlds top 100 today.
KnowYourTeam 2 years ago
i wish the swings of today had as much character as the old ones. back in the day no one swung the club quite the same. of course this is basically still true today, but modern golf instruction (save for a few notable teachers) has turned the swing into a math equation rather than an athletic movement unique to the player.
sethisawesome 2 years ago 2
Homogenization at its finest. Hal Sutton had some great comments in an interview on the very same topic.
sretsam68 2 years ago
that sounds very interesting. do you know where i can watch/read that interview?
sethisawesome 2 years ago
Part of the interview:
"In the old days you could have Nicklaus, Palmer, Trevino, Raymond Floyd, Gary Player, all on the range, and you could be 300 yards from them, and you'd know which one was which," Sutton said. "Today, if you don't get right up in their face so you can read their names on their bags, they all look alike. They're so caught up in mechanics. Well, golf has always been a game of feel. All of the sudden it's almost like it's not a game of feel.
sretsam68 2 years ago
Akin to different makes and models in the automobile industry. From a distance, they all look the same. If it wasn't for the hood ornament, you can't tell a Toyota from a Ford .. a Ford from a Crysler ... A Crysler from a GM product. Like cars, have golf swings become a commodity that spells .... BORING!
directorwvp2 2 years ago 4
so jim furyk's swing is the same as tiger woods's and jeev milka singhs swing is the same to mikelsons swing and garcias swings is the same as harringtons swing,yes they have mechanics but they dont all look the same i believe that is hogans fault for is glass plane idea
dandydude123xyz 2 years ago
Furyk, Villegas, Goosen, Singh, Garcia, Bubba Watson...hardly a math equation. Full of originality and flair.
KnowYourTeam 2 years ago
im sorry but how is Reteif Goosen on that list ...
besides i was speaking generally, and i did in fact mention that there were exceptions.
if you had actually read what i said then you would know this.
sethisawesome 2 years ago 3
you think Goosen's swing is modern and text book? look again sir, you are way off. also, take a look at young Rory Mccilroy's swing, or any of the Ryder Cup swings for that matter. If you find 2 the same get back to me. You won't.
KnowYourTeam 2 years ago
my statement stands, stop arguing for the sake of feeling superior
sethisawesome 2 years ago 9
I'm not sure if you've ever seen a slow motion view of Goosen's swing but it really isn't text book. Its a lovely swing, but not text book.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago
Yeah ... just look at former pro Charles Barkely. He makes Hubbie Green or Doug Sanders' swings look text book.
directorwvp2 2 years ago
He's still the greatest golfer. Until Tiger gets 19, Jack is the best ever. Jack finished in the Top 10 in Majors 73 times! He was 2nd, 19 times in majors. No one will equal jacks records in majors. And someone once asked jack if he had known he would be challenged for majors someday, he said he might of played his career differently to concentrate solely on winning majors. Understand that no one had won more than 10 majors, so Jack had no records to chase. Tiger does. It does make a difference.
bluekarma 2 years ago 2
Good observations. You are correct, even if Tiger wins 20 majors, Jack will still have the best overall record. I also believe history will look to Jack's longevity of great play as his legacy more than simply 18 major wins.
sretsam68 2 years ago
"Noone will equal Jacks records in majors." Tiger is already well ahead of where Jack was. Furthermore there is every reason to suspect that the longevity of Tigers career will be just as good if not better than Jacks. The 1986 Masters didn't reflect Jack's play when after he hit 40. His play in his 40s was simply not as good. So I would actually be surprised if history does look to his longevity.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago
"well ahead", huh?"
"Furthermore there is every reason to suspect that the longevity of Tigers career will be just as good if not better than Jacks."
"The 1986 Masters didn't reflect Jack's play when after he hit 40. His play in his 40s was simply not as good. So I would actually be surprised if history does look to his longevity."
Wow! Your posts are getting more and more nonsensical all the time. Try learning about the game - past and present - vs. just fantasizing about Tiger.
sretsam68 2 years ago
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Tiger is ahead of where Jack was at this point of his career in both Majors and PGA Tour victories.
Tiger is much fitter than Jack was, as a result he is likely to play better for longer.
Jacks 17th major was aged 40, his 18th was aged 46. That gives a pretty good idea of my point about Jack after 40.
No fantasies here, all these points are true.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago
Ahead, yes. Well ahead, no.
Tiger won't be winning majors at age 46.
Yeah, uhh...Jack was playing about 10 to 12 tournaments a year at age 40 and beyond. Jack won 15 majors in his first 17 years on tour and 17 in 19 years. Thus far at the same stage in their careers, Tiger is 2 ahead. Learn about the game, not just Tiger.
sretsam68 2 years ago
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"Tiger won't be winning majors at age 46" Type of statement I have come to expect, absolutely no grounds for it but you state it as if it is a fact.
I don't get your final point, it doesn't seem to address the fact that after 40 Jack only won 1 major.
SmallDannyJW 2 years ago