heres a thought what if the ancient civilizations were right and theres pantheons of gods and because evryone stopd beleaving in them they said fuck it let the ungrateful cunts kill themselves and well start again
I'd be afraid to make fun of any religion - in the end who knows which one is right...? I guess one day, after the curtain goes down, we'll find out. Or maybe not - maybe the end, is the end....
@Sternertime - Hmm... interesting view :) I truly wish I could swing to believe either side. Though I do feel ok with not knowing. I just was not born with a brain smart enough to accept that I could come from nothing (the big bang theory); and it's equally hard to believe that a diety with no beginning created us... then left us alone...
It's a great topic that I enjoy chatting about if we sit down and sip on some beer an munch on chicken wings; other than that, it is what it is:)
@Appypollylodgies "That was...that was enough." Why did the interviewer respond with that, like he's his teacher or something? I woulda smacked him for saying that!
@whothewu What you said would make sense if Jim Carrey actually had a copy of Dianetics in his pocket, but Carrey was obviously joking, and the interviewer felt that the joke had gone far enough and had an mildly aggressive reaction. Notice how the interviewer tries to change gears and sound more positive after the shutdown, so they could quickly move on from the bully move.
i can agree with seeing religion of any kind as wacky or nutty but i still think there is a certain level of respect to be maintained. I have nothing against atheists and I respect their right to not believe but it seems atheists are in large part the ones who want to do away with freedom of religion. A lot of atheists are actually militant atheists and if you ask me militant atheism is just as bad as militant theism. I see a lot of personal attacks and bigotry coming from the atheist community
@somotastic21 You making atheism sound as though it is as much of a doctrine as any of the religions are, but it is not. Atheism isn't something thet someone believes in or subscribes to; it's merely a default position. Atheism doesn't tell you what someone believes; it just tells you what someone does not believe.
@CheDonJohn You can interpret it any way you want to bro, all I'm saying is the large amount of bigotry seems to come from the atheists. Its an observation. And by the way atheism doesn't mean anti everything, it actually does stand for something. Atheism means to not believe in God, so I dont know what you're talking about but yeah it's a label, just like christian or muslim or jew is a label
@somotastic21 I never said that atheism meant "anti-everything"! Where did you get that from?! I said that it isn't a doctrine; in other words, it doesn't come with a code of ethics or a prescription for what to believe. It is a default position.
If someone doesn't believe in Santa Claus we don't label them 'a-Clausists' or 'non-Santa believers', because to not believe in Santa Clause is the default position. Same should apply to those who don't adhere to a religion.
@CheDonJohn First of all I never said it was a doctrine. A theist is a person who believes in a god, an atheist is a person who does not believe in a god. Semantics dude. Sort of like a sexual person likes sex or is sexually active or attracted to someone or something, an a-sexual person is not sexual or sexually active or attracted to someone or something. a-theist, in other words non-theist
@somotastic21 I said that your comments made atheism SOUND like it is a doctrine, an implication, intended or not; the way you generalised atheists gave the impression that there is some kind of standardised moral code or set of beliefs that atheists adhere to, and I explained that that is simply not the case.
I'm an agnostic atheist. All that tells you is that I don't believe in god, and that I don't make claims to 'knowing'. It doesn't, however, tell you what I do believe in.
@somotastic21 I never said that you said ALL atheists were like that! You're not reading my posts; or perhaps you are deliberately making straw men of my arguments?
I said that you generalised atheists. In your original post you said:
"I have nothing against atheists and I respect their right to not believe but it seems atheists are in large part the ones who want to do away with freedom of religion. A lot of atheists are actually militant atheists..."
@CheDonJohn A generalisation would have been to say that ALL atheists are militant. I said that "a lot" of them were. This is clearly from my observation. I am not religious nor am I an atheist. I'm agnostic and I think whether it's the religious community trying to control what we see on TV or hear on the radio or whether it's the atheist community trying to remove crosses from the desert or from schools I think it's all wrong. There is both freedom "of" religion and freedom "from"
@somotastic21 If a atheist believes that religion is bad for society and actually dares to speak his thoughts outloud then he is called, "militant" which suggests violence and hatred. If a Christian believes that if you do not believe in their God then you will go to hell and be burned and tortured forever. Then they are called "Pious humble servants of God".
@LatitudeClear And christians are villified in the media all the time, so it works both ways. I don't take either side. I'm against both the religious and secular community trying to dominate. Atheists have no business telling school staff they cannot wear crosses or religious symbols to school just like religious people have no business deciding what the rest of the country should watch on tv and hear on the radio
@somotastic21 "Atheism" just means "somebody who does not belief in God" the majority of atheist give little thought to religion one way or another. What your thinking of is "Anti-theism" which would make up the minority of atheists. In the US the religious is highest in the world for developed country, though in most places it's hardly an issue on people's minds. Let alone any large number of them saying "you can't wear crosses".
@LatitudeClear I think your stats are wrong. Religion is highest in the Middle Eastern countries. While the youth in this country are largely secular, the youth in many Arab nations are very religious. People like to bash America saying it is controlled by religious people but in fact in many Middle Eastern countries there is no separation between church (or in this case mosque) and state
@somotastic21 I said America has the highest number of religious people of any developed country. Comparing it to places like Japan, Sweden, Canada, Europe, and so on. Of course the middle east is more fundamental. Out of those listed this is the only Country where you have to claim to be Christian (or at least believe in a God) to hold virtually any position of power that involves being voted in. President, Judge, Congress, and so on. In some states this is actually written as a law.
@LatitudeClear Ok, of any developed country, and so? We have a separation of church and state in this country, so who cares how many religious people there are? As for the military being pro-Christian, yes it's a well known fact. But that's only one example. I agree it's dumb for any supposed non-religious institution to be so prejudice in that way but that is the way it is in the U.S. military. But like I said, that's one example. You are also correct that the media is highly
@LatitudeClear critical of religion and of the right. While some people get offended by shows like Family Guy for making fun of anything that calls itself conservative or religious I see it as great for the Constitution. They can do that on tv, I have no problem there, and if a rightwing or pro-religious cartoon wants to make fun of atheists then they also have that right, however, that would make headlines as being a prejudicial show. There is definitely a double standard in the
@LatitudeClear media. Republicans are looked at as Bible beaters and democrats are more aligned with the secular community. That's why Herman Cain was politically destroyed because of his adulterous ways, yet Bill Clinton was largely given a pass because after all Bill Clinton is a democrat. Full disclosure, I'm not political. I hate both parties and the political system as a whole. It's all a game
@somotastic21 Remember, supposedly Christians are "Missionaries From God who's divine duty is to save souls from damnation and hell". There are churches on every street corner that preach this and how non believers are tortured and burned forever whether man, women, or child. Good or Bad. How many "Atheist Groups" will walk up to you on the street and say, "If you don't believe in Evolution you will are going to feel more physical and mental pain then you could ever imagine."
@LatitudeClear I personally have only come across a handful of supposed missionaries in my life, and yes you could make that argument but here on Youtube and even in the media, religion (most of it being Chrisitianity) is quite viciously attacked by seculars. It's one thing to disagree with someone's belief system but to bully them because of it is another. As for the theists warning us that we are damned for Hell, yes I find it annoying as well. Just yesterday I had some
@somotastic21 Media such as television shows, cartoons, etc. are definitely in favor of liberalism/progressives/the left. As a result religion often finds itself on the blunt end of jokes and humor. Online you will also find a large number of people venting against it.
They can't do it in every day life. The religious groups control half of the political spectrum and in addition you don't dare criticize Christianity out-loud.
@somotastic21 In the Airforce CEO held "Christian Prayers" at our meetings. In Basic Training you went to Church or spent 6 hours scrubbing the toilets. Our Staff Sargent told us, "You didn't used to go to Church? Well you do now." My cousin joined the Marines, also an Atheist, had some especially bad stories about what happened and he later changed his dog tags to "Agnostic" to avoid getting a "blanket party" every night. Christians are prosecuted when they are in the clear majority is absurd.
@LatitudeClear screwball tell me that marijuana is the "devil's science" and that I was going to burn in Hell for "following" it, whatever the Hell that means. I responded in kind. I have no bias here. My point is that both theists and non-theists (atheists) can get pretty damn annoying with their dire warnings and personal attacks and their attempt to dominate. Both sides should understand that there will always be disagreement in this area so just live and let live
@somotastic21 You didn't state from the beginning that it was your observation. If you had then, yes, it wouldn't have been a generalistaion. But you simply stated "A lot of atheists are actually militant atheists". Without qualifying it, it is a generalisation. But, as you said before, that is semantics.
What I can pick you up on, however (and I'm sorry to be a pedant), is your employing of the term 'agnostic' as some 'middle position' between atheism and theism, which is false.
@CheDonJohn Of course it's semantics and even if it was a generalisation I have that right to generalise if I so choose, of course I wasn't though. I'm not a fan of the language police. As for your take on agnosticism, neither theism or atheism deals with knowing absolutely, because after all an atheist can't know that there is not a god just like a believer cannot know that there is a god. Despite what you've said, atheism is actually part of a belief, though it takes the form of
@CheDonJohn a non-belief. Atheists 'believe' there is no God (though they can't know for sure) and religious people 'believe' there is a God (though they can't know for sure). Both theism and atheism has to do with belief. You can't tell me that you don't know if there is a God but at the same time you know there is no God, it can't be both. Agnostics simply don't believe either way, they simply don't know. That is what agnosticism is.
@somotastic21 My God (pun intended). Can you not read?! Which you've just argued is exaclt what I said: that atheism/theism are different to agnosticsim/gnosticism because the former concenrs belief and the latter concerns knowledge. Therefore, agnosticism can't be a halway medium between atheism and theism if it conerens something different entirely, can it?! That's like saying someone is a boy, a girl or, if neither of those things, a Scotsman.
@CheDonJohn First of all, you're misunderstanding me. Agnosticism is neither theism or atheism. As for whether or not it's a halfway medium between the two I guess depending on how you look at it you could say it is or you could say it's on a different spectrum. Again, you are confusing belief with doctrine. I never said atheism was a doctrine, I said it was a belief, you keep putting words in my mouth. Yes I know what a doctrine is
@somotastic21 Hitchens puts it beautifully: "Our belief is not a belief. Our principles are not a faith. We do not rely solely upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather than sufficient factors, but we distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason. We may differ on many things, but what we respect is free inquiry, openmindedness, and the pursuit of ideas for their own sake."
@VenomShock Uh I don't understand why you were telling me that. All my point has ever been was that both religious people and the secular people should leave each other alone and live and let live and here I am being dragged into a discussion of semantics
@VenomShock I've met enough atheists to know that they do not like being labeled, however, atheism IS a belief that there IS NO god. To try and debate this is just getting into pointless semantics. To have a belief even if it is a non-belief does not mean that there has to be a doctrine or a code of morals or ethics or principles associated with it
@somotastic21 Atheism is not the the belief in no god, it's the lack of belief in any gods. It's an acceptance of evidence. We would believe in an almighty creator of any type if it made itself "evident", but it hasn't, which means there's no reason for us to believe there is one. That Christopher Hitchens quote I originally replied to you should be read over again.
@VenomShock There is no evidence that there is no God, but there's also no evidence to say there is a God. Let me ask you this, do you believe that there is no God? You believe there is no God? Right?
@somotastic21 Wrong. I don't believe there is any reason to believe there is a god because there is no evidence for the matter. Atheism is critical thinking, evidence over interest. I'm more inclined to doubt something if there is no evidence and its "truth" would suit me. There is no evidence to believe that there is a god; infact, most arrows point the opposite way, and therefore I cannot believe it. I don't "believe there is no God", that would be an assertion based on no evidence.
@VenomShock You're playing semantics again. Believing there is no God would be an assertion based on no evidence? Explain. "Atheism is critical thinking, evidence over interest"....completely opinionated statement. That's what every atheist wants to 'believe' that they are just critical thinkers and not people who have a belief system. Not believing in something is all part of a belief system. You don't believe in God therefore that is your belief system. The only exception would be
@VenomShock not knowing what to believe. This fits more in line with agnostics who don't know if there is or is not a God. Atheists seem to believe to know that in the vastness and infinity of the universe that there is no higher power. Theists believe that there is a higher power and not only that but that this higher power plays a role in both the physical and non-physical world. Agnostics have no idea either way. So I am not wrong in anything I've said. It seems that the wording
@VenomShock There is no evidence to say that there is no God so therefore it is a matter of belief that there is no God. Evidence is what makes us know whether something is true or not, but since there is no evidence to prove or disprove God's existence then it ALL comes down to belief or if you'd like, personal opinion.
@somotastic21 It still all comes down to evidence. And that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. There is no evidence to believe in a god, therefore there's no reason to believe in one. Atheist accept that. They're willing to accept any evidence for a god, but none has shown up so far. We don't believe there's "no god" we realize that there's no evidence for one and therefore it's not worth our respect or attention or worship.
@VenomShock But if all you're relying on is evidence, and considering that there is no evidence to disprove a deity, then could you not say that you simply don't know? People have this idea that science disproves the existence of God, but the belief of theists is that God created the physical world through physical means. Science is in fact the study of the physical universe. It cannot be disproven that a being created the physical universe, and there is no evidence to support the
@VenomShock notion that the physical universe was not created by something with intelligence. Do you see where I'm getting at? You have something in front of you. One person says this thing in front of you was definitely created by something else. Another person says this thing was not created by anything else and that this thing just appeared. Either way no one really knows for sure. But with atheists they are saying they 'know' for sure that there is no God, regardless of the
@VenomShock excuse that there is no evidence. There's no evidence that man evolved from ape yet that is the basic belief of the scientific community nowadays. What I'm saying is that everything is a theory unless it can be proven. If something cannot be proven, such as the idea that there is no creator, then it's just a theory, just like the theory that there is a creator. It can't be proven or disproven. You can say lack of evidence but there's lack of evidence in fact none to say
@VenomShock everything wasn't created by something. Atheists will then try to use the old argument of "well you can't disprove flying pigs and unicorns", but that's a false equivalency. We're talking about whether the universe and all life came from one single source that happens to have intelligence, not whether flying pigs or unicorns exist. It just undermines the legitimacy of the debate
@somotastic21 I fail to see the relevance that has to what I just said. But I would disagree and say that you can't disprove an intelligent flying pig or unicorn or a flying spaghetti monster farted out the universe, but they still have the same amount of evidence going for them as a god.
@VenomShock Didn't I just say that using that flying spaghetti monster/flying pig excuse only undermines the legitimacy of the God argument? Hell I could tell you that you could not disprove that I am God, therefore I must be God, but that would be a false equivalency to the whole God argument and thus prevents from intelligent debate. In fact, going by that argument I could use a similar one to what many atheists predicate their lack of belief on, which is the 'theory' of evolution.
@VenomShock I could say something like "well you can't prove man didn't evolve from trees so therefore it must be true", that's most equivalent to saying "you can't prove flying spaghetti monsters aren't real, therefore it must be true"
@somotastic21 Actually we can prove that man didn't evolve from trees as it's been proved beyond reasonable doubt that evolution DID infact occur and they actually can trace back extremely far through our ancestory and origins. Not just that, but anyone with a 3rd grade education knows that mammals and plants share absolutely no genetic or biological traits whatsoever.
I don't know where your second quote came from. I certainly didn't say it and I've never heard it used in an argument before.
@VenomShock Anyhoo we can go back and forth all day long but the whole reason this thing got started was bcos CheDon or whatever the hell his name was said that I was generalising when I said that most atheists are militant. My whole point from the very beginning was that it seemed most or a lot of atheists were intimidated by religion and were militant when it came to their ways of trying to protest religion, such as having crosses removed from the desert and all sorts of crazy
@VenomShock things. I think for many atheists it is more than just they do not believe in God but rather they despise the idea of God and hate or have a strong bias towards people of faith and therefore will attempt to destroy religion. I think it's just as bad as those loonies out in kansas (i forget their name), that family that protests soldier's funerals and says gays are going to hell. I think both the closeminded atheists and closeminded theists seem to forget that America is
@VenomShock a country where we have both freedom OF religion as well as freedom FROM religion. I would hate an atheist trying to undermine my religious freedoms just as much as I would hate a theist trying to force me into believing or preventing me from doing anything that is outside of their religious dogma. I mean seriously dude, how is a cross in the middle of the desert offensive to anyone? Some of these atheists are so threatened by anything religious, it's quite pathetic to
@VenomShock say the least and only makes them look weak. I have no problem with an atheist going around saying they do not believe in God and that God doesn't exist. Hell, there are religious people who go door to door preaching. I mean people have a right to express themselves. But what people do not have a right to do is try and force their beliefs or 'non-beliefs' on others. This means preventing school staff from wearing religious symbols to school, or school staff forcing
Once again. What does this have to do with what I said at all? I never brought up religious freedom as an issue, never brought up intolerance, teaching, anything like that. I didn't even try to force my beliefs on you or even say anything negative towards you. My beef was with you calling Atheism a belief, which I have made my arguments for. What you're continuing to say is irrelevant anger with no relation to either the video or anything anybody has posted.
@VenomShock I'm not angry. Where would you get the idea that I'm angry? The reason I brought it up was bcos you originally chimed in on my comments between CheDon which started all because I said majority of atheists are militant. This whole debate progresses into something it need not progress into. And I left it off at we could banter back and forth all day about semantics and what constitutes a belief and so on but the whole point of my argument (original argument) was the attempt
@VenomShock on both sides but mostly the atheist side to try and undermine freedoms and attack opposing viewpoints. Now from talking to you, you don't come across as that type of atheist but a lot of the ones I've encountered here on Youtube are that way
@somotastic21 I definitely understand that. While I do love me a good old fashioned debate I am completely respecting of others and their beliefs, so long as they return that favour of course. Like that whole thing about wearing crosses at public schools: who gives a damn about that? If someone were to ban that I would speak out against them for doing so. I am against intolerance on both sides, unless of course the opposing side itself is being intolerant, harmful, or extremist.
@VenomShock other school staff or students to wear religious symbols. People like to say it's their way or the highway instead of respecting another person's right to live how he or she pleases. Atheists will say they are terrified of America turning into a theocracy but after over 200 years of having supposed Christian leaders run this country have we become a theocracy? Are atheists getting jailed for their lack of belief? Are we a country that resembles Iran or Saudi Arabia?
@somotastic21 But you see, saying that atheism is, by default, a belief implies that it is a doctrine; or, at least, 'like' a doctrine. And my point all along has been that it isn't, because atheism is to not believe in God or gods. Someone declaring that they are atheist doesn't tell you what they do believe, it tells you what they do not believe. It might be correct to say that atheists might have beliefs, but it is incorrect to say that atheism means to believe in something.
@somotastic21 Furthermore, I hardly think I am confusing 'belief' with 'doctrine'; I offered you the definition that a doctrine contains a set of beliefs and prescriptions. You're right that agnosticism is neither theism or atheism, that's because it is on a different spectrum. One concerns claims to knowledge, about anything or any subject (you could be 'agnostic' about Santa Claus); the other conerns belief in God or gods (you couldn't be 'atheist' about Santa).
@somotastic21 Annd yes, whilst atheism could be described as a' belief', that doesn't make it a doctrine, does it? I think you massively misunderstand what a doctrine is. Unlike religions, atheism doesn't carry a specific moral or ethical code, an explanation of existence, a guide on how to live life, or any of those things.
@somotastic21 cont. Gnosticism and theism concern two very different things and are two different dimensions (imagine an x and y axis); the former is about claims to knowledge or knowing, the latter is about belief in god. Agnosticism isn't 'neither one nor the other'. As I said before, I'm agnostic atheist (I don't make claims to knowing, and i don't believe in a god). Most Christians would be agnostic theists (belief in God but not claiming to 'know', or what we call faith).
@CheDonJohn religion in this country and both sides need to respect that. However, I have observed more atheists attacking religion than religious people attacking atheism. So it’s my observation. Atheists who get upset by people wearing crosses or more than just non believers of God, they are haters of God. Why should that offend them?
@somotastic21 So you've never seen the hundreds, if not thousands of billboards that say, "If you don't believe in God - you will go to Hell" then an atheist group puts up 20-30 billboards that say, "you don't have to believe in God to be good." and "there is no hell" This causes a national uproar. The signs are defaced/stolen/destroyed. The Christians cry that the atheists are....just so... mean, and evil to "attack their religion".
@CheDonJohn Just like it’s ridiculous when religious people get upset at people who don’t believe in God. Both sides have a “my way or the highway” mentality which never leads to anywhere good
And all I'm saying bro is maybe you could back statement up with examples. Such as Atheists bombing churches like pastors bomb abortion clinics. Or maybe Atheists long history in the United states burning witches at the stake, wiping out the indians in the name of atheism, or it written in science books that anyone who doesn't "believe in atheism" is going to suffer eternally and be tortured in the worst pain imaginable.
L. Ron clearly stated that he made that shit up to make money!!! He was a failure in the military, failure in college and a failure in his family. It's truly a damn shame people believe his garbage. This is how religions begin folks. Enjoy the bullshit!
@tarmonhill nice reply, if you're a scientologist it's this kind of aggressive reaction which causes people like me to deeply distrust and be wary of the whole religion, just so u don't feel isolated I have similar feelings about most other religions.
@Tigerlilly0777 HI lilly.i agree its shady as fuck, but what i meant was that pretty much all religions are cult like and revolve around fairytales. I'm trying to find out more about humanism lately. its basically a group of people that believe in all the good parts of all religion such as love thy neighbour etc. but there is no deity or sacred script written and rewritten over the years by whoever was in power at the time binding its flock to crazy shit. also fotc rules
The problem with Scientology is that the theology is not true, not supported by evidence, not based on fact or reality. However, the methodology they use to clear the mind, to de-hypnotize people, is very effective and a key to awakening. The real truth of life coupled with the mind-clearing methods of Scientology is the real bridge to total freedom. Search for "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then click "The Present" to open it.
@XuliusCaesar All religions are made up to control the suckers and their wealth and power. Christianity refers to followers as sheep and fish, not a very good thing to be now is it?
@nineteenninetywon No, you misunderstood the host. He said "I read the preface... that was enough". Meaning, reading the preface alone was enough. But I think Carrey hiself got him wrong, because of the way he replied, "OK".
@nineteenninetywon I'm thinking the host said that was enough as part of his sentence when he said "i read the preface to it"...."and that was enough". However, his body language suggested he was telling jim carrey "that was enough", like that was enough mocking of scientology
Many don't realize that L. Ron Hubbard actually didn't mean a thing when he wrote the book of Scientology because made a bet with a friend as to who could create a religion. Hence the steaming pile of crap that is his book lol
My 2 cents. I agree Dianetics/Shitoglogy is crap. My wife started with this BS and a couple of years later we separated. How I know diabetics was to blame? (among other things of course) Well I used to know her very well until Dianetics. Thank you for that Hubbard !! I wish you are burning you know were !!
@dangraphic people who follow Eckhart Tolle are not Buddhists. If you actually knew anything about him, you would know that. Maybe you should educate yourself rather than sit on youtube judging people.
@AndiLMT Morons will always presume... you can't help yourself.
Carrey has stated publicly that he is Christian, Buddhist and anything else you want to call him. THUS, making him NOT CHRISTIAN. One particularity that Jesus Christ has... He doesn't like to share his followers with any other FALSE god or belief.
@dangraphic LOL I was stating that just because you follow the teachings of Eckhart Tolle does not make you a Buddhist. I follow Christ and I love Eckhart. You, on the other hand, call me a "moron" and refer to Eckhart as a "pigface." I guess so-called "Christians" like you, just "can't help yourself" from judging others based on your narrow minded beliefs. GOD IS LOVE. Christ came to enlighten the world and show the example of unconditional love. I'm sorry you missed that point.
@AndiLMT I never said I was a Christian, at least not in the traditional sense of the word.
I follow Christ MY WAY.. since MY WAY is the ONLY WAY I will be held accountable for.
You miss the point, PIGFACE Tolle laughs all the way to the bank because of people who compare him to Jesus or take him in any way a guide.. When all he is is a fat little word-soup meiser, spinning rhetoric and making a fool out of all of you who follow his empty teachings.
@dangraphic You're cult is called ''Christianity'', nah it's not the one true religion neither is it a personal relationship with God. Christianity is just as fucking stupid as scientology.
@Reasonwillwin lol you are the last step of the latter but no less, you are still in the mystic thinking area. If there is a God don't you think it would be very clear to you by now?
Just live your life and if one day you hear a voice in the sky saying I am God! and I will prove it by turning the sun blue for 24 hours, then I think you might be up to something.
Not to say there are things about our world we don't know, but there is no buddy up in some cloud.
@AndiLMT What eckhart says, is what buddah says, not what buddism says, because buddism is something created by "followers" of buddah, and not buddah himself. Just search.
I have read that shit and any intelligent human being will immediately recognize it for the pile of bullshit it is.... tom cruise is a douchebag... Jim Carey know's what's up.
@OnTheREDPILL I have heard that Tom Cruise hasn't been in contact with Scientologists for the past year - let's hope this is true. But yeah, Jim Carrey is a legend for this.
@Tigerlilly0777 Robert Crumb had a really early Mr. Natural comic strip where he's harassed over the phone by a Scientologist and declared an S.P. Mr. Natural just dismisses it with a sneer.
@Tigerlilly0777 yep it is...scientology was created by a satanist, L Ron Hubbard, who wrote science fiction novels rofl...and was a wannabe skipper.....he was best friends with and mentored by(even he admitted to this in a recording session) Aliester Crowley, founder of modern satanism and admitted pedophile, raped over 100 children and worked with the nazi's.... hubbard's own son stated that his dad had said that he was the antichrist and would return to destroy Christianity lol...
If people would just get in the bible and not their heads they might found out that just because others call something a religion does not mean that God see's it that way. The name alone says it.
If you really wanna spend your money took make yourself feel better then spend it on trying to actually change peoples lives like stalving families in "3rd world countries" fuksake look at this man he looks like hes lost his mind wtf have they done to him
Jim Cary quit scientology because he'd rather be a cult leader. So he started that anti-vaccination cult.
F1NGER 1 day ago
it's like people on the internet can't understand a human conversation.
b1bIs1337 1 week ago
lmao
rawheadrexx11 1 week ago
Jim Carrey sure has a nice glaced look in his eyes these days, but that's for a whole different reason.
MrPrjau 2 weeks ago
That was enough? What a fucking asshole.
gfaraj 3 weeks ago 4
C'mon people! He said 'that was enough', in regards to how reading the preface was enough.
dazza2151 3 weeks ago 6
watch?v=czY-dZQsd-k
DestroyerDevers 3 weeks ago
hah! imagine that interviewer saying that today to him. not a chance!
sso937 1 month ago
Yea who is the asshole interviewing him? And where is he now ha ha:)
faith022008 1 month ago
I love how the interviewer just shuts him down. "That was enough" NO IT WASNT. I WANT MORE!!!!! rofl
markrod420 1 month ago 17
heres a thought what if the ancient civilizations were right and theres pantheons of gods and because evryone stopd beleaving in them they said fuck it let the ungrateful cunts kill themselves and well start again
GEORDIELAD20 1 month ago
I'd be afraid to make fun of any religion - in the end who knows which one is right...? I guess one day, after the curtain goes down, we'll find out. Or maybe not - maybe the end, is the end....
GetMoreClients 1 month ago
@GetMoreClients None of them are right. They are interpretations of human experience, it is only through science where we can find "God"
Sternertime 1 month ago
@Sternertime - Hmm... interesting view :) I truly wish I could swing to believe either side. Though I do feel ok with not knowing. I just was not born with a brain smart enough to accept that I could come from nothing (the big bang theory); and it's equally hard to believe that a diety with no beginning created us... then left us alone...
It's a great topic that I enjoy chatting about if we sit down and sip on some beer an munch on chicken wings; other than that, it is what it is:)
GetMoreClients 1 month ago
"Í have a copy right here" haha
Appypollylodgies 1 month ago
@Appypollylodgies "That was...that was enough." Why did the interviewer respond with that, like he's his teacher or something? I woulda smacked him for saying that!
mobus1603 1 month ago 9
@mobus1603 motion seconded. Probably a closet scientologist.
markrod420 1 month ago
@mobus1603 Probably a Scientologist… Or they he's been threatened, wouldn't be the first time Scientologists done such a thing
Appypollylodgies 1 month ago
@mobus1603 He said he only read the preface. That was enough. Context people...
whothewu 1 month ago
@whothewu What you said would make sense if Jim Carrey actually had a copy of Dianetics in his pocket, but Carrey was obviously joking, and the interviewer felt that the joke had gone far enough and had an mildly aggressive reaction. Notice how the interviewer tries to change gears and sound more positive after the shutdown, so they could quickly move on from the bully move.
mobus1603 4 weeks ago
Hey guys could you take this little tiff somewhere else? Thanks.
kakarooku 1 month ago
Atheism=believe to know that there is no God
Theism=believe to know that there is a God
Agnosticism=do not believe to know any which way concerning the existence of God
somotastic21 1 month ago
When a talk show hosts tells somebody a million times more famous than them to STOP TALKING, you know something is fucking wrong.
gorgolyt 1 month ago
i can agree with seeing religion of any kind as wacky or nutty but i still think there is a certain level of respect to be maintained. I have nothing against atheists and I respect their right to not believe but it seems atheists are in large part the ones who want to do away with freedom of religion. A lot of atheists are actually militant atheists and if you ask me militant atheism is just as bad as militant theism. I see a lot of personal attacks and bigotry coming from the atheist community
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 You making atheism sound as though it is as much of a doctrine as any of the religions are, but it is not. Atheism isn't something thet someone believes in or subscribes to; it's merely a default position. Atheism doesn't tell you what someone believes; it just tells you what someone does not believe.
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@CheDonJohn You can interpret it any way you want to bro, all I'm saying is the large amount of bigotry seems to come from the atheists. Its an observation. And by the way atheism doesn't mean anti everything, it actually does stand for something. Atheism means to not believe in God, so I dont know what you're talking about but yeah it's a label, just like christian or muslim or jew is a label
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 I never said that atheism meant "anti-everything"! Where did you get that from?! I said that it isn't a doctrine; in other words, it doesn't come with a code of ethics or a prescription for what to believe. It is a default position.
If someone doesn't believe in Santa Claus we don't label them 'a-Clausists' or 'non-Santa believers', because to not believe in Santa Clause is the default position. Same should apply to those who don't adhere to a religion.
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@CheDonJohn First of all I never said it was a doctrine. A theist is a person who believes in a god, an atheist is a person who does not believe in a god. Semantics dude. Sort of like a sexual person likes sex or is sexually active or attracted to someone or something, an a-sexual person is not sexual or sexually active or attracted to someone or something. a-theist, in other words non-theist
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 I said that your comments made atheism SOUND like it is a doctrine, an implication, intended or not; the way you generalised atheists gave the impression that there is some kind of standardised moral code or set of beliefs that atheists adhere to, and I explained that that is simply not the case.
I'm an agnostic atheist. All that tells you is that I don't believe in god, and that I don't make claims to 'knowing'. It doesn't, however, tell you what I do believe in.
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@CheDonJohn i never said all atheists were like that, i said i saw it coming from a lot of them
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 I never said that you said ALL atheists were like that! You're not reading my posts; or perhaps you are deliberately making straw men of my arguments?
I said that you generalised atheists. In your original post you said:
"I have nothing against atheists and I respect their right to not believe but it seems atheists are in large part the ones who want to do away with freedom of religion. A lot of atheists are actually militant atheists..."
That is a generalisation, and a big one.
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@CheDonJohn A generalisation would have been to say that ALL atheists are militant. I said that "a lot" of them were. This is clearly from my observation. I am not religious nor am I an atheist. I'm agnostic and I think whether it's the religious community trying to control what we see on TV or hear on the radio or whether it's the atheist community trying to remove crosses from the desert or from schools I think it's all wrong. There is both freedom "of" religion and freedom "from"
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 If a atheist believes that religion is bad for society and actually dares to speak his thoughts outloud then he is called, "militant" which suggests violence and hatred. If a Christian believes that if you do not believe in their God then you will go to hell and be burned and tortured forever. Then they are called "Pious humble servants of God".
LatitudeClear 1 month ago
@LatitudeClear And christians are villified in the media all the time, so it works both ways. I don't take either side. I'm against both the religious and secular community trying to dominate. Atheists have no business telling school staff they cannot wear crosses or religious symbols to school just like religious people have no business deciding what the rest of the country should watch on tv and hear on the radio
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 "Atheism" just means "somebody who does not belief in God" the majority of atheist give little thought to religion one way or another. What your thinking of is "Anti-theism" which would make up the minority of atheists. In the US the religious is highest in the world for developed country, though in most places it's hardly an issue on people's minds. Let alone any large number of them saying "you can't wear crosses".
LatitudeClear 1 month ago
@LatitudeClear I think your stats are wrong. Religion is highest in the Middle Eastern countries. While the youth in this country are largely secular, the youth in many Arab nations are very religious. People like to bash America saying it is controlled by religious people but in fact in many Middle Eastern countries there is no separation between church (or in this case mosque) and state
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 I said America has the highest number of religious people of any developed country. Comparing it to places like Japan, Sweden, Canada, Europe, and so on. Of course the middle east is more fundamental. Out of those listed this is the only Country where you have to claim to be Christian (or at least believe in a God) to hold virtually any position of power that involves being voted in. President, Judge, Congress, and so on. In some states this is actually written as a law.
LatitudeClear 1 month ago
@LatitudeClear Ok, of any developed country, and so? We have a separation of church and state in this country, so who cares how many religious people there are? As for the military being pro-Christian, yes it's a well known fact. But that's only one example. I agree it's dumb for any supposed non-religious institution to be so prejudice in that way but that is the way it is in the U.S. military. But like I said, that's one example. You are also correct that the media is highly
somotastic21 1 month ago
@LatitudeClear critical of religion and of the right. While some people get offended by shows like Family Guy for making fun of anything that calls itself conservative or religious I see it as great for the Constitution. They can do that on tv, I have no problem there, and if a rightwing or pro-religious cartoon wants to make fun of atheists then they also have that right, however, that would make headlines as being a prejudicial show. There is definitely a double standard in the
somotastic21 1 month ago
@LatitudeClear media. Republicans are looked at as Bible beaters and democrats are more aligned with the secular community. That's why Herman Cain was politically destroyed because of his adulterous ways, yet Bill Clinton was largely given a pass because after all Bill Clinton is a democrat. Full disclosure, I'm not political. I hate both parties and the political system as a whole. It's all a game
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 Remember, supposedly Christians are "Missionaries From God who's divine duty is to save souls from damnation and hell". There are churches on every street corner that preach this and how non believers are tortured and burned forever whether man, women, or child. Good or Bad. How many "Atheist Groups" will walk up to you on the street and say, "If you don't believe in Evolution you will are going to feel more physical and mental pain then you could ever imagine."
LatitudeClear 1 month ago
@LatitudeClear I personally have only come across a handful of supposed missionaries in my life, and yes you could make that argument but here on Youtube and even in the media, religion (most of it being Chrisitianity) is quite viciously attacked by seculars. It's one thing to disagree with someone's belief system but to bully them because of it is another. As for the theists warning us that we are damned for Hell, yes I find it annoying as well. Just yesterday I had some
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 Media such as television shows, cartoons, etc. are definitely in favor of liberalism/progressives/the left. As a result religion often finds itself on the blunt end of jokes and humor. Online you will also find a large number of people venting against it.
They can't do it in every day life. The religious groups control half of the political spectrum and in addition you don't dare criticize Christianity out-loud.
LatitudeClear 1 month ago
@somotastic21 In the Airforce CEO held "Christian Prayers" at our meetings. In Basic Training you went to Church or spent 6 hours scrubbing the toilets. Our Staff Sargent told us, "You didn't used to go to Church? Well you do now." My cousin joined the Marines, also an Atheist, had some especially bad stories about what happened and he later changed his dog tags to "Agnostic" to avoid getting a "blanket party" every night. Christians are prosecuted when they are in the clear majority is absurd.
LatitudeClear 1 month ago
@LatitudeClear screwball tell me that marijuana is the "devil's science" and that I was going to burn in Hell for "following" it, whatever the Hell that means. I responded in kind. I have no bias here. My point is that both theists and non-theists (atheists) can get pretty damn annoying with their dire warnings and personal attacks and their attempt to dominate. Both sides should understand that there will always be disagreement in this area so just live and let live
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 You didn't state from the beginning that it was your observation. If you had then, yes, it wouldn't have been a generalistaion. But you simply stated "A lot of atheists are actually militant atheists". Without qualifying it, it is a generalisation. But, as you said before, that is semantics.
What I can pick you up on, however (and I'm sorry to be a pedant), is your employing of the term 'agnostic' as some 'middle position' between atheism and theism, which is false.
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@CheDonJohn Of course it's semantics and even if it was a generalisation I have that right to generalise if I so choose, of course I wasn't though. I'm not a fan of the language police. As for your take on agnosticism, neither theism or atheism deals with knowing absolutely, because after all an atheist can't know that there is not a god just like a believer cannot know that there is a god. Despite what you've said, atheism is actually part of a belief, though it takes the form of
somotastic21 1 month ago
@CheDonJohn a non-belief. Atheists 'believe' there is no God (though they can't know for sure) and religious people 'believe' there is a God (though they can't know for sure). Both theism and atheism has to do with belief. You can't tell me that you don't know if there is a God but at the same time you know there is no God, it can't be both. Agnostics simply don't believe either way, they simply don't know. That is what agnosticism is.
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 My God (pun intended). Can you not read?! Which you've just argued is exaclt what I said: that atheism/theism are different to agnosticsim/gnosticism because the former concenrs belief and the latter concerns knowledge. Therefore, agnosticism can't be a halway medium between atheism and theism if it conerens something different entirely, can it?! That's like saying someone is a boy, a girl or, if neither of those things, a Scotsman.
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@CheDonJohn First of all, you're misunderstanding me. Agnosticism is neither theism or atheism. As for whether or not it's a halfway medium between the two I guess depending on how you look at it you could say it is or you could say it's on a different spectrum. Again, you are confusing belief with doctrine. I never said atheism was a doctrine, I said it was a belief, you keep putting words in my mouth. Yes I know what a doctrine is
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 Hitchens puts it beautifully: "Our belief is not a belief. Our principles are not a faith. We do not rely solely upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather than sufficient factors, but we distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason. We may differ on many things, but what we respect is free inquiry, openmindedness, and the pursuit of ideas for their own sake."
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock ok?
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 Sigh...
Just listen to CheDonJohn...
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock Uh I don't understand why you were telling me that. All my point has ever been was that both religious people and the secular people should leave each other alone and live and let live and here I am being dragged into a discussion of semantics
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 You also said atheism was a belief, which is what I was refuting.
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock I've met enough atheists to know that they do not like being labeled, however, atheism IS a belief that there IS NO god. To try and debate this is just getting into pointless semantics. To have a belief even if it is a non-belief does not mean that there has to be a doctrine or a code of morals or ethics or principles associated with it
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 Atheism is not the the belief in no god, it's the lack of belief in any gods. It's an acceptance of evidence. We would believe in an almighty creator of any type if it made itself "evident", but it hasn't, which means there's no reason for us to believe there is one. That Christopher Hitchens quote I originally replied to you should be read over again.
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock There is no evidence that there is no God, but there's also no evidence to say there is a God. Let me ask you this, do you believe that there is no God? You believe there is no God? Right?
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 Wrong. I don't believe there is any reason to believe there is a god because there is no evidence for the matter. Atheism is critical thinking, evidence over interest. I'm more inclined to doubt something if there is no evidence and its "truth" would suit me. There is no evidence to believe that there is a god; infact, most arrows point the opposite way, and therefore I cannot believe it. I don't "believe there is no God", that would be an assertion based on no evidence.
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock You're playing semantics again. Believing there is no God would be an assertion based on no evidence? Explain. "Atheism is critical thinking, evidence over interest"....completely opinionated statement. That's what every atheist wants to 'believe' that they are just critical thinkers and not people who have a belief system. Not believing in something is all part of a belief system. You don't believe in God therefore that is your belief system. The only exception would be
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock not knowing what to believe. This fits more in line with agnostics who don't know if there is or is not a God. Atheists seem to believe to know that in the vastness and infinity of the universe that there is no higher power. Theists believe that there is a higher power and not only that but that this higher power plays a role in both the physical and non-physical world. Agnostics have no idea either way. So I am not wrong in anything I've said. It seems that the wording
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock is what you're getting caught up with
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock There is no evidence to say that there is no God so therefore it is a matter of belief that there is no God. Evidence is what makes us know whether something is true or not, but since there is no evidence to prove or disprove God's existence then it ALL comes down to belief or if you'd like, personal opinion.
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 It still all comes down to evidence. And that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. There is no evidence to believe in a god, therefore there's no reason to believe in one. Atheist accept that. They're willing to accept any evidence for a god, but none has shown up so far. We don't believe there's "no god" we realize that there's no evidence for one and therefore it's not worth our respect or attention or worship.
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock But if all you're relying on is evidence, and considering that there is no evidence to disprove a deity, then could you not say that you simply don't know? People have this idea that science disproves the existence of God, but the belief of theists is that God created the physical world through physical means. Science is in fact the study of the physical universe. It cannot be disproven that a being created the physical universe, and there is no evidence to support the
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock notion that the physical universe was not created by something with intelligence. Do you see where I'm getting at? You have something in front of you. One person says this thing in front of you was definitely created by something else. Another person says this thing was not created by anything else and that this thing just appeared. Either way no one really knows for sure. But with atheists they are saying they 'know' for sure that there is no God, regardless of the
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock excuse that there is no evidence. There's no evidence that man evolved from ape yet that is the basic belief of the scientific community nowadays. What I'm saying is that everything is a theory unless it can be proven. If something cannot be proven, such as the idea that there is no creator, then it's just a theory, just like the theory that there is a creator. It can't be proven or disproven. You can say lack of evidence but there's lack of evidence in fact none to say
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock everything wasn't created by something. Atheists will then try to use the old argument of "well you can't disprove flying pigs and unicorns", but that's a false equivalency. We're talking about whether the universe and all life came from one single source that happens to have intelligence, not whether flying pigs or unicorns exist. It just undermines the legitimacy of the debate
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 I fail to see the relevance that has to what I just said. But I would disagree and say that you can't disprove an intelligent flying pig or unicorn or a flying spaghetti monster farted out the universe, but they still have the same amount of evidence going for them as a god.
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock Didn't I just say that using that flying spaghetti monster/flying pig excuse only undermines the legitimacy of the God argument? Hell I could tell you that you could not disprove that I am God, therefore I must be God, but that would be a false equivalency to the whole God argument and thus prevents from intelligent debate. In fact, going by that argument I could use a similar one to what many atheists predicate their lack of belief on, which is the 'theory' of evolution.
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock I could say something like "well you can't prove man didn't evolve from trees so therefore it must be true", that's most equivalent to saying "you can't prove flying spaghetti monsters aren't real, therefore it must be true"
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 Actually we can prove that man didn't evolve from trees as it's been proved beyond reasonable doubt that evolution DID infact occur and they actually can trace back extremely far through our ancestory and origins. Not just that, but anyone with a 3rd grade education knows that mammals and plants share absolutely no genetic or biological traits whatsoever.
I don't know where your second quote came from. I certainly didn't say it and I've never heard it used in an argument before.
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock Oh it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt huh? Well if it could then it wouldn't still be a theory, now would it
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock Anyhoo we can go back and forth all day long but the whole reason this thing got started was bcos CheDon or whatever the hell his name was said that I was generalising when I said that most atheists are militant. My whole point from the very beginning was that it seemed most or a lot of atheists were intimidated by religion and were militant when it came to their ways of trying to protest religion, such as having crosses removed from the desert and all sorts of crazy
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock things. I think for many atheists it is more than just they do not believe in God but rather they despise the idea of God and hate or have a strong bias towards people of faith and therefore will attempt to destroy religion. I think it's just as bad as those loonies out in kansas (i forget their name), that family that protests soldier's funerals and says gays are going to hell. I think both the closeminded atheists and closeminded theists seem to forget that America is
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock a country where we have both freedom OF religion as well as freedom FROM religion. I would hate an atheist trying to undermine my religious freedoms just as much as I would hate a theist trying to force me into believing or preventing me from doing anything that is outside of their religious dogma. I mean seriously dude, how is a cross in the middle of the desert offensive to anyone? Some of these atheists are so threatened by anything religious, it's quite pathetic to
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock say the least and only makes them look weak. I have no problem with an atheist going around saying they do not believe in God and that God doesn't exist. Hell, there are religious people who go door to door preaching. I mean people have a right to express themselves. But what people do not have a right to do is try and force their beliefs or 'non-beliefs' on others. This means preventing school staff from wearing religious symbols to school, or school staff forcing
somotastic21 1 month ago
Once again. What does this have to do with what I said at all? I never brought up religious freedom as an issue, never brought up intolerance, teaching, anything like that. I didn't even try to force my beliefs on you or even say anything negative towards you. My beef was with you calling Atheism a belief, which I have made my arguments for. What you're continuing to say is irrelevant anger with no relation to either the video or anything anybody has posted.
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock I'm not angry. Where would you get the idea that I'm angry? The reason I brought it up was bcos you originally chimed in on my comments between CheDon which started all because I said majority of atheists are militant. This whole debate progresses into something it need not progress into. And I left it off at we could banter back and forth all day about semantics and what constitutes a belief and so on but the whole point of my argument (original argument) was the attempt
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock on both sides but mostly the atheist side to try and undermine freedoms and attack opposing viewpoints. Now from talking to you, you don't come across as that type of atheist but a lot of the ones I've encountered here on Youtube are that way
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 I definitely understand that. While I do love me a good old fashioned debate I am completely respecting of others and their beliefs, so long as they return that favour of course. Like that whole thing about wearing crosses at public schools: who gives a damn about that? If someone were to ban that I would speak out against them for doing so. I am against intolerance on both sides, unless of course the opposing side itself is being intolerant, harmful, or extremist.
VenomShock 1 month ago
@VenomShock Couldn't agree more
somotastic21 1 month ago
@VenomShock other school staff or students to wear religious symbols. People like to say it's their way or the highway instead of respecting another person's right to live how he or she pleases. Atheists will say they are terrified of America turning into a theocracy but after over 200 years of having supposed Christian leaders run this country have we become a theocracy? Are atheists getting jailed for their lack of belief? Are we a country that resembles Iran or Saudi Arabia?
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 But you see, saying that atheism is, by default, a belief implies that it is a doctrine; or, at least, 'like' a doctrine. And my point all along has been that it isn't, because atheism is to not believe in God or gods. Someone declaring that they are atheist doesn't tell you what they do believe, it tells you what they do not believe. It might be correct to say that atheists might have beliefs, but it is incorrect to say that atheism means to believe in something.
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@somotastic21 Furthermore, I hardly think I am confusing 'belief' with 'doctrine'; I offered you the definition that a doctrine contains a set of beliefs and prescriptions. You're right that agnosticism is neither theism or atheism, that's because it is on a different spectrum. One concerns claims to knowledge, about anything or any subject (you could be 'agnostic' about Santa Claus); the other conerns belief in God or gods (you couldn't be 'atheist' about Santa).
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@somotastic21 Annd yes, whilst atheism could be described as a' belief', that doesn't make it a doctrine, does it? I think you massively misunderstand what a doctrine is. Unlike religions, atheism doesn't carry a specific moral or ethical code, an explanation of existence, a guide on how to live life, or any of those things.
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@somotastic21 cont. Gnosticism and theism concern two very different things and are two different dimensions (imagine an x and y axis); the former is about claims to knowledge or knowing, the latter is about belief in god. Agnosticism isn't 'neither one nor the other'. As I said before, I'm agnostic atheist (I don't make claims to knowing, and i don't believe in a god). Most Christians would be agnostic theists (belief in God but not claiming to 'know', or what we call faith).
CheDonJohn 1 month ago
@CheDonJohn religion in this country and both sides need to respect that. However, I have observed more atheists attacking religion than religious people attacking atheism. So it’s my observation. Atheists who get upset by people wearing crosses or more than just non believers of God, they are haters of God. Why should that offend them?
somotastic21 1 month ago
@somotastic21 So you've never seen the hundreds, if not thousands of billboards that say, "If you don't believe in God - you will go to Hell" then an atheist group puts up 20-30 billboards that say, "you don't have to believe in God to be good." and "there is no hell" This causes a national uproar. The signs are defaced/stolen/destroyed. The Christians cry that the atheists are....just so... mean, and evil to "attack their religion".
LatitudeClear 1 month ago
@CheDonJohn Just like it’s ridiculous when religious people get upset at people who don’t believe in God. Both sides have a “my way or the highway” mentality which never leads to anywhere good
somotastic21 1 month ago
And all I'm saying bro is maybe you could back statement up with examples. Such as Atheists bombing churches like pastors bomb abortion clinics. Or maybe Atheists long history in the United states burning witches at the stake, wiping out the indians in the name of atheism, or it written in science books that anyone who doesn't "believe in atheism" is going to suffer eternally and be tortured in the worst pain imaginable.
You know, stuff like that.
LatitudeClear 1 month ago
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notice the aggressive "that was enough" by the host
2metube4 2 months ago
Scientology is just as ridiculous and illogical as Christianity.
Crust218 2 months ago
@Crust218 AND ISLAM TOO DONT FORGET
999basille 2 months ago
@Crust218 not true. If you've studied both these beliefs you would know that's a gross stereotype
somotastic21 1 month ago
L. Ron clearly stated that he made that shit up to make money!!! He was a failure in the military, failure in college and a failure in his family. It's truly a damn shame people believe his garbage. This is how religions begin folks. Enjoy the bullshit!
IrishLincoln 2 months ago
carrey, always been my favorite actor. he still doesnt disappoint.
Thedrizzle404 2 months ago
fuck you carrey, how dare you criticise scientology.
tarmonhill 2 months ago
@tarmonhill nice reply, if you're a scientologist it's this kind of aggressive reaction which causes people like me to deeply distrust and be wary of the whole religion, just so u don't feel isolated I have similar feelings about most other religions.
DaddyCalls 2 months ago
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Tigerlilly0777 2 months ago
@Tigerlilly0777 HI lilly.i agree its shady as fuck, but what i meant was that pretty much all religions are cult like and revolve around fairytales. I'm trying to find out more about humanism lately. its basically a group of people that believe in all the good parts of all religion such as love thy neighbour etc. but there is no deity or sacred script written and rewritten over the years by whoever was in power at the time binding its flock to crazy shit. also fotc rules
DaddyCalls 2 months ago
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Tigerlilly0777 2 months ago
Cheap shot, cheap comedian
pbsjoeki 2 months ago
@pbsjoeki not really, scientology makes no sense. they asked for it.
killerproctologist88 2 months ago
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i dont understand exactly what he said or implying
headtufino 2 months ago
The problem with Scientology is that the theology is not true, not supported by evidence, not based on fact or reality. However, the methodology they use to clear the mind, to de-hypnotize people, is very effective and a key to awakening. The real truth of life coupled with the mind-clearing methods of Scientology is the real bridge to total freedom. Search for "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then click "The Present" to open it.
vividDC 2 months ago
@vividDC The problem with Scientology is that the theology is not true, not supported by evidence, not based on fact or reality.
Same could be said for christianity
XuliusCaesar 2 months ago
@XuliusCaesar All religions are made up to control the suckers and their wealth and power. Christianity refers to followers as sheep and fish, not a very good thing to be now is it?
hydrolito 2 months ago
@hydrolito I agree 100%
XuliusCaesar 2 months ago
notice how the audience is scared to laugh and the aggressive "that was enough" by the host
nineteenninetywon 2 months ago 10
@nineteenninetywon No, you misunderstood the host. He said "I read the preface... that was enough". Meaning, reading the preface alone was enough. But I think Carrey hiself got him wrong, because of the way he replied, "OK".
ertzuiop123 2 months ago
@nineteenninetywon I'm thinking the host said that was enough as part of his sentence when he said "i read the preface to it"...."and that was enough". However, his body language suggested he was telling jim carrey "that was enough", like that was enough mocking of scientology
somotastic21 1 month ago
ahead of his time
nineteenninetywon 2 months ago
Many don't realize that L. Ron Hubbard actually didn't mean a thing when he wrote the book of Scientology because made a bet with a friend as to who could create a religion. Hence the steaming pile of crap that is his book lol
RushFanatic87 2 months ago
Jim Carrey = Canadian hero.
checklefthook 2 months ago
My 2 cents. I agree Dianetics/Shitoglogy is crap. My wife started with this BS and a couple of years later we separated. How I know diabetics was to blame? (among other things of course) Well I used to know her very well until Dianetics. Thank you for that Hubbard !! I wish you are burning you know were !!
newcruiser 2 months ago
"that was enough" lol
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fuckmania07 3 months ago
Jim Carrey is mad - luv the dude even though he is making too many shit films - he is nuts.
MissEgasMoniz 3 months ago
I never thaugt i would say this but that was bullshit
FreakyAlienUFO 3 months ago
Im from FL, str8t on impression of what I ran into every night. Those people always seemed possessed.
azrial4421 3 months ago
Thank God he's Christian! :D
erpuzzetta01 3 months ago
@erpuzzetta01 he isnt
DeaflyBlind 3 months ago
@erpuzzetta01
Who's a Christian? Jim Carrey? He's Buddhist, follows all that E.Tolle [pigface] crap..
dangraphic 3 months ago
@dangraphic people who follow Eckhart Tolle are not Buddhists. If you actually knew anything about him, you would know that. Maybe you should educate yourself rather than sit on youtube judging people.
AndiLMT 3 months ago
@AndiLMT Morons will always presume... you can't help yourself.
Carrey has stated publicly that he is Christian, Buddhist and anything else you want to call him. THUS, making him NOT CHRISTIAN. One particularity that Jesus Christ has... He doesn't like to share his followers with any other FALSE god or belief.
dangraphic 3 months ago
@dangraphic LOL I was stating that just because you follow the teachings of Eckhart Tolle does not make you a Buddhist. I follow Christ and I love Eckhart. You, on the other hand, call me a "moron" and refer to Eckhart as a "pigface." I guess so-called "Christians" like you, just "can't help yourself" from judging others based on your narrow minded beliefs. GOD IS LOVE. Christ came to enlighten the world and show the example of unconditional love. I'm sorry you missed that point.
AndiLMT 3 months ago
@AndiLMT I never said I was a Christian, at least not in the traditional sense of the word.
I follow Christ MY WAY.. since MY WAY is the ONLY WAY I will be held accountable for.
You miss the point, PIGFACE Tolle laughs all the way to the bank because of people who compare him to Jesus or take him in any way a guide.. When all he is is a fat little word-soup meiser, spinning rhetoric and making a fool out of all of you who follow his empty teachings.
Tolle is a manifestation of ANTICRIST mind.
dangraphic 3 months ago
@dangraphic You're just as naive and ignorant as the scientologists are, you're in a cult too doofus.
Reasonwillwin 2 months ago
@Reasonwillwin
OK, since you seem to think you know me... pray tell... precisely WHAT CULT am I in?...
I'm dying to read your flippant reply.
dangraphic 2 months ago
@dangraphic You're cult is called ''Christianity'', nah it's not the one true religion neither is it a personal relationship with God. Christianity is just as fucking stupid as scientology.
Reasonwillwin 2 months ago
@Reasonwillwin lol you are the last step of the latter but no less, you are still in the mystic thinking area. If there is a God don't you think it would be very clear to you by now?
Just live your life and if one day you hear a voice in the sky saying I am God! and I will prove it by turning the sun blue for 24 hours, then I think you might be up to something.
Not to say there are things about our world we don't know, but there is no buddy up in some cloud.
Ramiromasters 2 months ago
@Ramiromasters Uhm I don't get it, I'm not religious lol I'm an atheist XD
Reasonwillwin 2 months ago
@Reasonwillwin relax bro...just because you dont believe in GOD dont disrespect other peoples religion i believe in GOD...but have a good day dude
GQ023 2 months ago
@GQ023
Why do you capitalise god? It looks weird and culty.
wesselbindt 2 months ago
@wesselbindt lol ok
GQ023 2 months ago
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Tigerlilly0777 2 months ago
@AndiLMT What eckhart says, is what buddah says, not what buddism says, because buddism is something created by "followers" of buddah, and not buddah himself. Just search.
PhDAlbertEinstein 1 week ago
@dangraphic Crap? Try that and say me. TRY.
PhDAlbertEinstein 1 week ago
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dangraphic 3 months ago
I have read that shit and any intelligent human being will immediately recognize it for the pile of bullshit it is.... tom cruise is a douchebag... Jim Carey know's what's up.
OnTheREDPILL 3 months ago 65
@OnTheREDPILL I have heard that Tom Cruise hasn't been in contact with Scientologists for the past year - let's hope this is true. But yeah, Jim Carrey is a legend for this.
sextronicus 2 months ago
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G0th1cR0s3 2 months ago
@OnTheREDPILL Too bad his wife doesn't.
bluenoserr 2 months ago
@OnTheREDPILL yeah, i've read the bible too, same goes for that pile of bullshit. lol
deadfawn 2 months ago
@deadfawn Agreed
OnTheREDPILL 2 months ago
His name is OpinionatedAussie and you still don't realize he's just a troll? Stop arguing
colonelsanta 4 months ago
lol His face expression is priceless!
TheHornet79 4 months ago
LOL n1 jim!
TheAnonymousAdvocate 4 months ago
Wow, he was saying Scientology was BS years before anyone else did. Props to him!
Tigerlilly0777 4 months ago 126
@Tigerlilly0777 Robert Crumb had a really early Mr. Natural comic strip where he's harassed over the phone by a Scientologist and declared an S.P. Mr. Natural just dismisses it with a sneer.
allaboutdmagic 3 months ago
@Tigerlilly0777 yep it is...scientology was created by a satanist, L Ron Hubbard, who wrote science fiction novels rofl...and was a wannabe skipper.....he was best friends with and mentored by(even he admitted to this in a recording session) Aliester Crowley, founder of modern satanism and admitted pedophile, raped over 100 children and worked with the nazi's.... hubbard's own son stated that his dad had said that he was the antichrist and would return to destroy Christianity lol...
ttrrissttaan 2 months ago
@Tigerlilly0777 i am new to this. what is scientology?
camshreds 2 months ago
@camshreds a cult, i mean religion ...well uh you know what i mean it's all the same shit
XxXVideoVeiwerXxX 1 month ago
What show was this? And was that host, whoever he is, gonna wanna upstage Jim Carrey? ???
Heh, must be a strange show...except for Jim Carrey on it...mocking Scientology hehehehe
WinstonSmith6079 4 months ago
Here we go, Atheists, we won't hate on you if you don't hate on us. Done.
Kustar10 4 months ago
what did the old man say at the end? sounds like he was offended and said "that is enough" but i could be wrong
wilmarsh133 4 months ago
@wilmarsh133 i think because he said "i read the preface..." he continued with "and that was enough."
wimpylassiter2336 4 months ago
Was the host offended or something?
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colin9413c 4 months ago
Hubbard and parsons should be mother hubbard and parsnips. Supreme scum.
noodlesmealey 5 months ago
I'm a fan of Jim and all, but WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIS TEETH?!
faisalOrb1 5 months ago
@faisalOrb1 scientology
typoded 4 months ago
quite a discussion
Devincoughlin 5 months ago
To everyone bashing the interviewer, I think hes just saying 'I read the preface to it, that was enough'. Not stopping Carrey
purplemonkeyelephant 5 months ago
If people would just get in the bible and not their heads they might found out that just because others call something a religion does not mean that God see's it that way. The name alone says it.
1ecajun 5 months ago
jim carrey is made of epic win
rockntroopen 5 months ago
keep your suppressed opinions in your diaries and off of youtube videos.
DimEStaleyRIP 5 months ago
Interviewer seems like a prick. "Tha- that's enough. stop being funny, comedian."
UncleErnie71 5 months ago
If you really wanna spend your money took make yourself feel better then spend it on trying to actually change peoples lives like stalving families in "3rd world countries" fuksake look at this man he looks like hes lost his mind wtf have they done to him
mattsk89 5 months ago