'Glenn Beck' Web Exclusive - Israel "Aftershow"

[dani666n]

As an Israli(Ashkelon) i thank you to releasing the truth

in the place i live...The Hamas lunch bombs on my city almost over 11 years

I hope that the world will try and look at the facts and see the truth.

[ed2000888]

GLENN BECK EVIL CUNT!

[lokotasioux]

Thanks for always telling us the truth, Glenn!

[hor1001]

the only terrorist I know is Glenn Beck

[Gedankenbaukunst]

since i watch the blackboard , i start laughing

[yoheff988]

RIGHT ON

[whadeffa]

Good Job Glenn. The point here is not the flotilla conspirators nor the media, although they are the means by which evil flourishes in the world, conspirators and media, the real point here is why have we allowed the these evildoers to change our thinking. Hitler changed the minds of millions in the 30's now we are letting the same sort of groups do it again. The real question here is, "Why always the Jews?" Always the Jews? Really ? ? ? What is it about them? It is their God. Our God . . .once.

[korobkov1]

Glenn Uz Da BEST.

[HSOUIXZ]

You can only prove to others outside the US of A what type of breeding ground for hatred this nation has become. You are this country's weed. And even if your presence in Israel would give this nation a break from the likes of you...I wouldn't wish you on my worst enemy...I most assuredly would not wish you on a friend like Israel.

[HSOUIXZ]

When I think of Glenn Beck; two words immediatel­y spring to mind. Imprecator­y Prayer.

Usually when I reach out to God it's to proffer up thanks or to ask God for positive things and encourage others to do likewise. In Mr. Beck's case...I'm willing to make an exception to the rule.

Leave Israel alone, Mr. Beck. They are not a country in need of your particular brand of venom. Go peddle your gold products if you must..but really...s­tay away from Israel.

[korobkov1]

Glenn U Rock!

[Fr33Gangsta3]

All this talk about Israel being too agressive, or its responses to Hamas terror attacks from Gaza being too disproportionate. Wouldn't it, to be proportionate, the disproportionate action of Hamas should be met with the disproportionate response of the IDF? I think so... I think, that there is no gentle way to destroy, and no humane way to kill, so when you have to... just do it and get a move on with it. btw, God bless Israel. Good day sirs.

[Guilhabert]

Certainly not all Arabs are in an army.... Do they have the weaponry that Israel has? And tell me: how many times the Kingdom of Jerusalem defeated Muslims before it was finally subdued by them? And it existed, after all, longer than Israel now...

That "Israel" that is "not to be touched" is the "Heavenly Jerusalem", a mythical entity to exist in heaven, by the way...

[MegaKrazzy4]

yeah exactly, u guyz believe a person who believes jesus was born in nevada and god made blacks so, because ther were not good souls.

[qwertypoiu4321]

Glenn Beck is such a punk. He is NOT a Libertarian; if he was, he would support ending the occupation of 3+ million arab palestinians.

[fargley001]

This may repeat. Israel to stop another flotilla attempt:

youtube.com/watch?v=KsyEnkPAKg­0

[Guilhabert]

They did not hate the Jews for 1,5 thousand years of co-existence. They hate them now after Zionist agression, occupation and ethnic cleansing - yes, I said this and I reapeat it again. You will find a lot of information about all the details of that ethnic cleansing - provided that you want to educate yourself. There had been not even ONE Arab terrorist before the Jewish invasion and brutality. Arabs learned terrorism from Zionists.

[Djcrzy]

@Guilhabert

How about when Mohammed and his followers wiped all Jews out of Medina and Mecca? How about when Mohammed teared through the middle east and invaded Spain? 1.5 thousand years of co-existence? On what planet? Open the Koran, you will see. Mohammed committed genocide after genocide, completely erasing hundreds of thousands of Jews and Christians from this earth. FINALLY Jews get a little sandbox of land back after 2000 years of wandering and they are called criminals. Open your eyes!

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy Of course, coexistence. In Palestine Jews were present all the time. Arabs did not displace them, quite often Jews collaborated with Arabic Muslims against Christians. Wars took place, yes, after all our own Crusades are just some examples. When the Zionist terrorists started to arrive to Palestine early in the 20th century, local Jews were still there. Even in 1947 the local Jews were against any Jewish state there. And open the "Old Testament" for FAR more examples of genocide...

[Djcrzy]

@Guilhabert

Those Jews who are against a Jewish state are only against it for a nonsensical religious reason. This being that Jews should not have their own land until the messiah comes. Do you see any logic behind that?

I certainly don't.

"Zionists terrorists" arrived in Israel because they were exiled from their own countries, because there always were pogroms against them, because six million of them were murdered. They had no place to go, no country wanted to accept them.

[appleman1324]

@Djcrzy so if they were killed and terrorized in such a way, why must they do the same to those around them? Why must they make the same excuse to gain such pity and a ridiculuos amount of foreign aid? You know, every raceof people has faced oppression and now are consider as another person in socitety, however the jewish people act as if they are still inferior and therefore pout and bitch that they dont get enough, what makes their excuse of the holocaust "legitimate" versus the other people?

[Djcrzy]

@Guilhabert

"Ethnic cleansening"? Are you joking? Jews wanted to live along side Palestinians in Israel, it was the Arabs that did not accept this. Throughout the late 1800's and early 1900's, Arabs were commiting numerous terrorist attacks against peaceful Jews. From the years 1947 - 1949, 750,000 Palestinians left Israel. Why is that? Because arab leaders told them to leave, not because the jews exiled them. Man open a book before you state bullshit.

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy No, I am not joking: learn from any encyclopaedia what "ethnic cleansing" is and you will find exactly what Israel is doing all the time. Throwing Palestinians out of their homes, demolishing those homes and then building dwellings for Jews. Classic example of ethnic cleansing. Ever heard of Deir Yassin, that exterminated village? And that was not the only one, by the way. Arabs were leaving, because nobody wanted to end up like those in Deir Yassin. In Poland in WW2 it took place too.

[Djcrzy]

@Guilhabert

Throwing Palestinians out of their homes? Give me one unjustified example, just one.

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy Not "jus one" example, but 62 years of incessant practice. The scenario is always the same: throwing Palestinians out, demolishing their homes, then building whole settlements for Jews. Read the news, Brother, watch TV, look through the internet. 7 years ago a young American was killed while trying to stop this kind of crime. Her name was Rachel Corrie. You will find quite a lot on her on youtube. Yes, criminal always try to "justify" their crimes, not for the 1st time in history...

[Djcrzy]

@Guilhabert

I did not ask you to mention some random reporter who got stuck in a cross fire. I asked you to give me an example of unjustified "demolishing homes". Palestinians have always been the aggressors.

In 1919, there was an agreement between a representative of the Palestinians and a representative of the Jews to mark out the terms of a two-state solution. Jews agreed to it and the Palestinian leader did too. The Palestinian people refused coexistence. They never changed their mind.

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy 1. The whole process is a criminal activity in terms of morality and international law. You are asking about one example while there were hundreds of thousands of them and you can yourself find many of them even on the net, even here on youtube. By the way: that girl did not die in any "crossfire" but was smashed by a bulldozer operated by an Israeli soldier. Yes, the Palestinians never accepted that Israeli made robbery of land because it is them who were robbed (see: 2)

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy 2. And you have a problem with your stance. Why then, if Israeli actions are legitimate, are there more and more young Israelis, who are even forming a movement "Breaking of Silence" to expose the crimes by Israeli military? Why more and more of them refuse to serve in the "IDF"? They are telling the world about crimes being committed on a daily basis, not just during spectacular "actions" by the criminals in uniforms (see: 3)

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy 3. And another thing: why do you yourself not "converse" with former (and even current) Israelis, who know a lot about Israel? Heard of that big fire recently, that killed 40 people in northern Israel? What kind of forest was this and why was it planted in the first instance? Not in order to cover ruins of former Arab villages? - zes, traces of a huge ethnic cleansing. They planted pines that in that climate burn like straw... (see: 4)

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy 4. So you can talk and write to Gilad Atzmon, the famous musician. He was raised in Israel, speaks Hebrew - are you? (this is why he describes himself as a "Hebrew speaking Palestinian"), he served in the "IDF" and he knows Israel all too well. This is why he does not want to have anything to do with that "state". Talk to him and he will tell you more. But be warned: he might not be mincing words with you the way I am doing it here...

[Djcrzy]

@Guilhabert

In regards to your Mount Carmel comment, that forest has been there since biblical times. Read the book of Kings, you will see.

Once again, you mention the term "ethnic cleansing". Search "Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim lands". Where almost a million Jews were expelled and prosecuted from their land and then you say that the Jews do "ethnic cleansing" but all the 750,000 Palestinians that left in 1948 were encouraged to do so from the Arab nations.

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy No, pines were not there. Israeli planted that forest where once Palestinian villages stood. You put under your "interests" "Israel". Perhaps it is time that you learn its history as well. Yes, it was ethinc cleansing and I advised you to consult any ecyclopaedia fo "ethnic cleansing". Apparently you did not do it. Poles were also encouraged to flee Germans and Soviets in 1939. WShat does that mean? Perhaps that Germans / Russians should rule Poland now?

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy And one more thing, Brother: you mention what Palestinians did since last week. Please look into the website of "ifamericansknew" to see what Jews did in the same time ("barbaric animals"?). You want to accord a state of invaders a right to self-defence but you would not want the same right for Arabs, eh? Our fathers in Poland also fought. If I was to condemn Arabs as "barbaric animals" then it would be as to require from me to spit at my father's grave. Please do not ask this then...

[Djcrzy]

@Guilhabert

2) Why did Arab leaders encourage Palestinians to leave? Because they wanted to invade Israel and wipe out all Jews. Egypt, Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen, Holy War Army, Arab Liberation Army and the Muslim Brotherhood are but some of the countries and terrorist organizations that attacked Israel simultaneously.

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy Who invaded first? Why do you not even look at that map of "Eretz Israel" disseminated on leaflets in pre-war Europe in 1930ies? What does it show. A HUGE territory, that would include several today's Arab countries, including Jordan. On that map a hand was printed holding a rifle. In your view does this symbolize a desire to "live alongside Arabs" as you claim? Read early Zionists: "we will turn Palestinians into a society of waiters and lumberjacks" and so on...

[1776Matthew]

@Guilhabert They've turned America into a society of waiters and welfare recipients.

[Guilhabert]

@1776Matthew Yes, you seem to be quite right...

[Djcrzy]

@Guilhabert

Just imagine if the Palestinians would accept a two-state solution and stop supporting terror. There is always a constant threat of rockets striking civilian areas. If you think that there is a ceasefire then you are mistaken. Since last week, over 20 rockets and mortars have been terrorizing cities in Israel. One rocket fell outside a kindergarten injuring a 14 year-old girl. Israel has every right to protect itself from these barbaric animals and any westernized country would too.

[Guilhabert]

@Djcrzy Dear Friend, there was once a "two state solution" with the Kingdom of Jerusalem where Israel now is. And where is it now? As France shook off the English rule in 15th century, as India shook it off as well and as any large nation eventually shakes off a minority amidst themselves, so Arabs will shake off Israel like a dog shakes off water after getting out of a pond. It is only a question of time.

[beggin1967]

@Guilhabert im not religious, and that is the truth b ut i was told by a christian that it states in the bible that israel will not be touched in the end of times as we know it.and if so,how come , on 5 different occassions, multiple arab natiolns have attacked israel, and have been defeated every single time? can u explain to me why this is the case?why does israel remain? that small sliver of sand outnumbered what 3000 arabs to every 1 israeli? i await your intelligent answer.

[coocooitsme]

@beggin1967 you have been tought wrong so why dont you read the bible yourself about gods promess on israel?why wait for someone to tell you this is that?arent you searching the truth?

[beggin1967]

@coocooitsme i did exactly what you said.U go to Zacheriah chapter12: 4-9 says plainly says God will.i repeat will i repeat will Destroy all those who attack Israel.So,not being jewish myself,and not being somekind of muslim asskissing religious zealot that you are,go ahead ,attack Israel ,full out,and lets see what happens. I have a funny feeling that you will be on the short end of the stick.Where does your hatred come from.Jesus,they boarded the flotilla with paint guns,asshole!

[Nick89b]

please, someone kill glenn beck, this mother fucker needs to die before he creates more blind hate

[fargley001]

@Nick89b

Blind hate? As in: "Please someone kill glenn beck, this mother fucker needs to die before he creates more blind hate"

Quality post nick. Your message of peace is really touching.

[Nick89b]

@fargley001 my hate is not blind, again, someone please kill glenn beck

Not a single country has "deemed IHH a terrorist organization", the only country to even put it on a terror watch list is israel

funny how glenn just tells you they are terrorists with no proof or fact, blind hate

[fargley001]

@Nick89b

If you fail to see the facts, you must be blind. Are you getting facts from IHH?

Glenn Beck is not the only one to link IHH with terrorist activity. French intel, Canadian intel, Israeli intel, Danish Intel, and US intel - all shown ties with IHH and its cooperation with known terrorists! IHH is was also involved in the LAX bombing attempt and countless other incidents which I dont have room to post.

IHH would probably like to see Glenn killed as well...

[Guilhabert]

Why is Israel Äsurounded by enemies". Is it because those enemies "surrounded" Israel? Or rather because Zionists pushed themselves into their land? Israel has a right to defend itself? And Arabs do not have such right? Why is Gaza a "hornets´ nest"? Did those "hornets" invaded it from overseas? You are defending Israel in a way Dr Hans Frank (even in Nuremberg) defended occupation of Poland against "Polish terrorists" - like AK, ZWZ, AL, i.e. the Polish versions of HAMAS...

[fargley001]

@Guilhabert

Whos land is it? Its Israels land now, and they dont seem to have any intentions of giving it back. Were there many Jews living in pre '47 Palestine, and they were all loved by the Arabs?

I dont have the answers to peace in the middle east, but if you ask me, post armistice, hamas is the aggressor now. Israel has only reacted to the Arab hostility - can you really blame them? How do you achieve peace with terrorism? Do you think the Jews will leave because of hamas?

[Guilhabert]

@fargley001 It is exactly as "Israeli" land now as Poland was a "German" land between 1939 and 1945... The Germans have complained about Polish terrorism in the exactly same way as today's Israelis complain about Arab terrorism. And they react to it in the way the Nazis reacted to our terrorism (or "terrorism" if you prefer). The Jews were the first there to create terrorism. And if they have their right to self-defence, so do HAMAS & Hizbollah...

[fargley001]

@Guilhabert

HAMAS & Hizbollah are the aggressors. The Palestinians have been cannibalized by the Arabs, and have lost just as much land to them, than they have to the Israelis.

The war was over, the armistice was signed, right of conquest was established. After the war the Palestinians were looted by their own - their supposed allies. Why are they not bombing Egypt?

There is no correlation between Nazis and Israel - that's a ridiculous comparison. Israel does not arbitrarily bomb Gaza...

[fargley001]

@Guilhabert

I could not disagree more. The Palestinians have been cannibalized by the Arabs, and have lost just as much land to them, than they have from the Israeli Arab war..

The war was over, the armistice was signed, right of conquest was established. After the war the Palestinians were looted by their own - their supposed allies. Why are they not bombing Egypt?

There is no correlation between Nazis and Israel - that's a ridiculous comparison. Israel does not arbitrarily bomb Gaza...

[Guilhabert]

@fargley001 Then armistice in France was signed in 1940 - the right of conquest had been established... Polish government fled the country in 1939 - the right of conquest had been established... This seems to be your kind of reasoning. Palestinians do not bomb Egypt, for Egypt did not drive them of their land but Jewish terrorists - the first terrorists in that region. Jews bomb Gaza & commit such crimes for which Nazis were hanged in Nuremberg...

[fargley001]

@Guilhabert

Thank you for the conversation, but please google "1949 Armistice Agreements" before your next reply. There are some key facts that you dont seem to be aware of, or perhaps you're not accepting the history.

You seem convicted in your views, but you may change your viewpoint, or at least your argument, with a little more research. Please also take a moment to watch Glenn's video if you have not - he's pretty much spot on.

As for the Nazi invasion of poland, its just not the same.

[Guilhabert]

@fargley001 Invasion is an invasion and ethnic cleansing remains an ethnic cleansing, especially if it is being continued for whole decades. Killing civilians is a crime aganst humanity no mateer who commits this crime. And armstice, by the way, is not a peace treaty. A "Nuremberg Trial" for Israeli leaders is still outstanding. Jews are not a "special" nation to be allowed crimes with impunity.

[fargley001]

@Guilhabert

Israel had been a nation for several thousand years before Islam - who's the invader? Who's the occupier?

Again, Israel has only reacted to the terrorists actions. Make no mistake, there have been opportunities to coexist. These monsters you and IHH defend would not have it... They hate the Jews.

Ethnic cleansing? Did you really just say that?

The Palestinians chose exodus, and were encouraged by neighboring Arabs - not the Jews!

[OCSWendySmith]

Thank you Glenn Beck for having the courage to speak the truth... and it does take courage these days. 

[heterodoxphilomath]

what the hell does glenn beck care about taking a stance that supports israel and the jews? he's a mormon...i don't get it.

[TalkBack01]

@heterodoxphilomath Some christians believe that the jews play a major part in the whole redemption messiah whatever thingy.

The restoration of israel is the start of the "prophecy" (can't give it any other name).

Besides, the guy is taking a stance where he thinks there is wrong-doing, do you have to be a jew to defend israel's actions?

[barbadamas08]

BeckBaby.....how the fuck did they kill nine people with paint guns you lowlife retard?

[TheTollundWoman]

I support Israel 100%, and I think Israel was justified in stopping the "flotilla"...but comparing Greenwich village to Gaza?? Not sure where to go with that...

[kidi1232]

@OuterSpaceLord so jews represent both forms of evil?

really - don't you think if group A of jews conspired capitalizm, and group B conspired communism - do you really think they would live together peacefully like jews do?

[extazy17]

@kidi1232 LOL. Nice. Good to see people use reason.

[kidi1232]

@OuterSpaceLord you know whats funny?

socialists say that jews conspire to create a capitalistic world (after all, many jews got rich thanks to capitalism, capitalism will make jews be richer and others more poor).

capitalists say that jews conspire to create a communist world (after all Karl Marx was jewish).

don't you think that's hilarious?

[holseyd]

Thank you Glenn for being the only one in the media speaking the truth on this flotilla crap.

[lshon5]

you are soooooooooooooo right!

[lshon5]

israel love you!

[Kurtlane]

I have some information that leads me to concvlusion that the main purpose of this flotilla was to capture Israeli soldiers and bring them to Hamas as hostages. This is why "peace activists" didn't shoot the soldiers right away. Some actually were taken hostage for a short time, until they were freed by others.

Right now Hamas holds only one hostage: Gilad Shalit. They've made many cross-border raids to get more. They've failed.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Hamas needs more hostages, This is what this Gaza flotilla was really about.

The secondary goal was to create a propaganda boom. They've succeeded in this one.

And Erdogan needed the flotilla to make Turks rally around himself, take over whatever is left of democracy in Turkey and turn it into an Islamic state.

[Kurtlane]

Excellent!

But I have two questions:

1. Who is this person he calls "Code pink"? As far as I know, Code pink is an organization.

2. What is the CSIU story? I guess Glenn Beck followers know it, but I don't. Could someone please give me a link to a Glenn Beck / CSIU beating video.

[fargley001]

@Kurtlane

.

1.Jodie Evans, founder of code pink - she's a psycho who' organization supports terrorism and had tried to kidnap Karl Rove. Happens to be pretty tight with BO, despite being a terrorism supporter.

.

2. While at youtube dot com, append the following: /watch?v=Pzmb5jHf2tQ

Advance to 5:28 - Thats where you will see the August beating by SEIU thugs. Just one of a few since the media intentionally blacked the SEIU beating out.

[Kurtlane]

@fargley001, Thanks. I checked it out. Jodie Evans is so disgusting. I can't understand why she is not in jail.

[lala111018]

He is so smart!!!

THANK YOU/////FUCK OBAMA!!!

[BarBoraIL]

Israel 4 EVER !!

USA+Israel = ♥

[missprincessjasmine1]

I WILL SUPPORT ISRAEL

[raz42]

Look at what happen with the "Rachel Corrie" ship: The IDF boarded it, 3 hours later it docked in the Ashdod port. While the peace activists were eating at fine restaurants far away from Gaza the goods were unloaded to be sent into Gaza. No one was killed, no one was wounded.

If anyone still have a doubt what happen on that ship look for the new photographs of the IDF soldiers in th "hurriyet" Turkish newspaper site. Please ask yourselves what would you do instead of the soldiers.

[the1sttuber]

Thanks Beck .. for doing your job as a reporter with bravery

[tonydingler]

Hitler did some nice things too ...

[9pythagoras]

Apparently the IDF could not wait for these ships to enter their territorial waters to raid them. I suspect after the humiliation that they had suffered during the War on Lebanon, they were anxious to rebuild their image. Bibi, with his big ego, would've loved to pull an "Entebbe" just like his brother. Sadly, the circumstances were totally different. The video of the IDF soldiers being beaten up by the "civilians" aboard the Mavi Marmara is humiliating. Bibi should resign.

[mahlevoshri]

WOW

WHAT A BRILLIANT SPEECH

[duduis555304]

all the peace activist Get 10000 dollars to try to kill Israeli soldier",Peace activist" , yes of course,and the anti-Semitic world believe,

[Vadik19]

Thanks for telling the truth to the world.. hopefully people will now have both sides of the story before choosing to believe what the media is showing.

[JisakuJ]

Hahaha Glenn Beck is such a cunt.

[ONLYthroughTHECROSS]

@JisakuJ You're just UPSET because he is RIGHT! ha ha !

[onestupidman]

@ONLYthroughTHECROSS SWEETHeart--Really...people in this country are so deluded--they don't even know "der Jude" is from 1938-ish Germany...YEAH; it's from Germany. Just not today. Get you thrown in prison. Zundel--US helped Your country kidnap/send to Germany, so he could be imprisoned for 7 years for saying the Z-word; Jim Trafficant; thrown in jail 7years[why do they always co-opt holy things, like 7?] One of our Most-Loved Congressman. Exposed Israeli influence in Wash DC...I Luv U But...

[JisakuJ]

@ONLYthroughTHECROSS Nah man nah, ahahah! *guitar riff*

[yossikha999]

oh! finally someone who doesn't tell the story without knowing about it. With this he saved many Americans and other people from getting the wrong information and as a result from making some mistakes.

[Motek828]

Phenomenal!! Thank You Glenn Beck!! Kida like a "Flotilla for Dummies"

[keissar33]

glen back king

[Stevied019]

@BreakingBadReview

Actually, the US is trying to take a very diplomatic approach to this whole mess.

[whaddyareckon]

why does anybody give this dick the attention?

[johndee56]

IHH is not a terrorist org.Those were the Turkish people who saved a lot of people's lifes in Haiti.Yes the Turkish team in Haiti was from IHH.But you want them to be a terrorist org so that you can defend Israel!Oh yeahhhh!!!

[fargley001]

@johndee56

Sorry, you are incorrect. Do a search on google for "IHH links terrorism"

This is NOT new news...

.

So the IHH saves lives in Haiti while they fund a bombing attempt on LAX... You, just like the others of your kind, need to get all the facts together before you spread your misinformation.

[ggady]

@johndee56

well look what they did...

[agabrielus]

@johndee56

In August 1999, Israel sent a 250-member rescue and recovery team and a field hospital to Turkey following an earthquake measuring 7.4 that killed 18,000.

this is how Turkish return the favor

[captianusa]

Excellent video

[fargley001]

@captianusa

I agree, Glenn has out done him self on this one. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to watch, we're glad to have you around.

[sojothu]

mmmmm... only the muslims are against him.. mmmm... strange...

[elitept]

Glenn Beck, Kosher Cock sucking yank!

[StellaArtois1980]

'I wanted to kill every single jew but I left some behind so the world will see why I wanted to wipe them off the earth.' - Adof Hitler.

[charlesjflanagan]

@sshaula Then you will agree with me that Israel should not have boarded in the way that they did as they have done more good to the organisers of the floatillas cause than they could have imagined....and even gotten the entire world turned against Israel and its actions - even the US through the UN statement.

A new floatilla is being sent now.....If Israel does not board in the same manner then it is an admission by them that they made a mistake.

They could have handled it much better

[sshaula]

@charlesjflanagan Israel had every right to board those ships. Their only mistake was that they came in peace, bearing paint ball guns thinking it was going to be a crowd control situation. On all the other ships that was true, only on the one ship did it go wrong. Israel's mistake was that they bought into the propaganda that these were peace activists. The world is already turned against Israel, it just needs an excuse to express it. Tell me, why N. Korea did get the same reaction as Israel?

[1024stoney]

Re: "international waters" -

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea.

SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) ARE BELIEVED ON REASONABLE GROUNDS TO BE CARRYING CONTRABAND OR BREACHING A BLOCKADE, AND AFTER PRIOR WARNING THEY INTENTIONALLY AND CLEARLY REFUSE TO STOP OR INTENTIONALLY AND CLEARLY RESIST VISIT, SEARCH OR CAPTURE.

[1024stoney]

check out some of the footage at youtube.com/user/idfnadesk

[fargley001]

@1024stoney

Fantastic post, thank you for sharing that link.

[desertdr1]

@1024stoney I'd agree that that were ulterior motives to the flotilla, but I'd just like the IDF to release video clips more than two convenient min at a time. Where's the rest of the story?

[charlesjflanagan]

"the military also discovered a cache of bulletproof vests and night-vision goggles, as well as gas masks"

They were bringing humanitarian and medical supplies to the Gaza Strip......what would expect them to find.......teddy bears?

[1024stoney]

"During its searches of the Mavi Marmara on Tuesday, the military also discovered a cache of bulletproof vests and night-vision goggles, as well as gas masks. On Monday morning, at least nine foreign activists were killed during the navy’s takeover of the Mavi Marmara, which was trying to break Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip."

[charlesjflanagan]

Yes but knowing what we know now (ie. no weapons/terrorists on board I' sure you gents have to concede that Israels action was incredibly overboard (pardon the pun)

I take the point that a main part of the action was to draw attention to the blockade.

Surely though you guys realise that Mr Becks choice of facts is exceptionally biased and selective...to really try and put across the case that the IDF only boarded with paintball guns really is quite shocking.

[fargley001]

@charlesjflanagan

As a whole, Beck is spot on. Israel has a right to protect them selves, would you not agree?

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As for biased, I see the mainstream media as being the "selective" ones. They portray the IHH and "Free Gaza" as being humanitarian, when in fact they have a history as terrorists - not to mention they chose not to port in Ashdod as advised by Israel.

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I dont blame Israel for what they did, they actually practiced great restraint given the flotilla's defiance.

[mkonop]

@fargley001 Absolutely. This is no different than someone being told by the police to stop and them not stopping. I say tazer or shoot them. IHH was given options. I say the next boats should be treated more harshly. It's not as though they don't have a way into Israel.

[kaulz]

@fargley001 Agreeing to their right to defense is not the same as agreeing to how they defend themselves. By design Israel's defensive strategy and retaliations (or counter-retaliations^x ad nauseum) are drastically disproportionate to the threat or injury. The Lebanon invasion for instance.

To be more to the point, if Israel had waited till these ships were in Israeli national waters they would be more justified, but in international waters a helicopter of commandos comes on my ship, well...

[fargley001]

@kaulz

I will not argue that there are times where Israel has been militarily assertive. They also are surrounded by hostile neighbors who want to exterminate them. So for me, I can understand their aggressive reaction towards terrorism.

Nobody can argue the terrorist ties. Nobody can argue the defiance - the flotilla ignored the warnings and even radioed their defiance while approaching the blockade. The flotilla was asking for trouble.

In your view, how should Israel have handled things?

[PhilipK100]

@fargley001 In my honest View Israel was too nice about the whole suitation..... If I were A jew and was in power in Jerusalem I'd have dealt with Iran, Lebannon and Syria a long time ago... The Israeli's must have waaaaay more patience than I have!!!!!!!

[Disturbedfan009]

@fargley001 Did you see the close up of the raid were they were hitting them with metal poles and the weapons they found inside?

[michaelygoldberger]

@kaulz according the international law, Israel actions are legal. many nations work outside their own borders. The problem here is something else, the problem Is that everything Israel is doing to defend itself is wrong in the eyes of the world while nations as Turkey and Iran that kill mass people don't even get to be criticize.

[galigal2]

@kaulz According to international law, they were allowed to -attack- the ship.

But instead, they went there with bare hands, paintball gun on theyr back and pistol that they were told to use it ONLY in life threating situation.

As they land on the ship, few people took each solider and beat him up, using knifes, metal rods and other cold weapon.

[sbh123yt]

@kaulz

I "like" your comment on Israel that reacts in"disproportionate to the threat ..."

1. Does the react of the allies in WW2 against Germany was disproportionate?

2. Does the react of U.S against Japan in WW2 was disproportionate?

3. Does the react of U.S against Vietnam in 50s and 60s was disproportionate?

4. Does the react of the west against Iraq and Sadam Hussain was disproportionate?

Etc etc ...

The react of Israel in all cases is minor regard the examples above!

was disproportionate?

[sbh123yt]

@kaulz

An example of proportional reaction:

1. Man A shoot Man B in his shoulder.

2. Man B shoot Man A in his shoulder

3. Man A shoot Man B in his knee.

4. Man B shoot Man A in his knee

5. Man A shoot Man B in his head

6. Man B can't shoot anymore

:)

[rgz1985]

@sbh123yt Can you explain what this means?

[Kurtlane]

@kaulz, the charge of "disproportionate" is ridiculous. Why should a response be proportionate? Who would benefit from proportionality in a war? A war is, among other things, a learning process. Both sides learn form both strengths and mistakes of each other. The more "proportionate" one side is, the better the other learns to exploit this as a weakness. Proportionality makes wars drag on, killing far more people than would've been killed otherwise.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

And often proportionality leads to the weaker side growing stronger and eventually winning. Vietnam war is one example, but there are plenty of others.

Have you ever heard of Powell doctrine? It's the very doctrine of disproportionality: overwhelm the enemy with everything you have and break its will right away. Colin Powell merely rediscovered it, it used to be the unspoken basis if every war. Victorty is the goal, not proportionality.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

You sound like one of those people who accept Israel's right to defend itself in theory, yet cry foul in every specific case of it defending itself.

These ships would never be in Israel's national waters. They'd go straight from international waters to Gazan waters.

(cont.)

[Kurtlane]

Besides, this whole "international waters" stuff is just another propaganda trick. Capturing a merchant vehicle believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade is legal under Article 67(a) of the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflict at Sea. International waters or not.

Please learn before you criticize.

[TeachESL]

@kaulz According to int'l law we had the right to stop those ships in int'l waters.

[galigal2]

@charlesjflanagan As i said in other comment,

"they went there with bare hands, paintball gun on theyr back and pistol that they were told to use it ONLY in life threating situation."

The "passengers", terrorists, attacked the soliders.

[1024stoney]

watch?v=qKOmLP4yHb4

See the Israeli's conversation with the boat before boarding.

[1024stoney]

You can hate the man, but his facts are accurate here.

[charlesjflanagan]

@salaciousone If they were these extremists and terrorists as is being suggested by Glenn beck and Fox news, then why did Israel let them go??? So the Israelis boarded a ship they say because they thought there were extremists and weapons on board yet they find no weapons and let all the people go free.......their own actions say they got it wrong. Also Mr Becks declarations that all the IDF had was paintball guns is slightly disproven by the dead people on board. He really does pick and choose.

[gazaflotila]

great work!!!

[charlesjflanagan]

These "terrorist" boats.....how many rockets were found???

[salaciousone]

@charlesjflanagan about as many as there were 'peace activists' on the boat.

[1024stoney]

@charlesjflanagan The goal was to create an incident. They did.

IHH is not pro-Gaza; they're anti-Israel. That's why they insisted on going through the blockade instead of unloading where they were INVITED to by both Israel AND Egypt.

[sshaula]

@charlesjflanagan Don't be naive- the aim of this incident was to bring to the forefront the fact that Israel does not allow ships to directly reach Gaza. They wanted to have the world make Israel to allow ships without checking them. So, carrying arms on this ship would be detrimental for that aim. They want the blockade open first, so they could convey arms without detection. If this was only about aid- they would have docked in Egypt or Israel. How difficult is it to understand?!

[Weedod1]

@rabair you can upload videos using real player