LP12 Handel Concerto Grosso op. 6 no 1 in G major, Allegro

[olaniyi570]

I have a LP-12 with Naim XS. At moderate volume the subsonics are making my woofers hub and then that feeds back into Ittok arm, which is making the cartridge misstrack. Since subsonic filters in integrated amps seem to be a thing of the past any suggestion of how I can avoid this?

[TheHaches]

La verdad es que casi escucho musica dese mis y otros vinilos.

Todavía no pude hacer digitales algunas grabaciones.

Deverían quedarse así.

Genial el post y las turnatables siempre son perfectas . Con personalidad

[Interests2009]

Very nice.

At one point in time, I really wanted this turntable.

Thanks for sharing.

[stephgaynor]

@Interests2009 -- glad you liked it!

[Interests2009]

@stephgaynor--Sure thing. It's amazing how they still make this model and have parts for it, but I am too broke for something like this right now :-(

[MITCHWILD]

@Interests2009 Me too, i got an Axis, not the same at all.

[Interests2009]

@MITCHWILD--It has been years since I wanted one of these. Now, I am hoping for a vpi (or laser turntable) in the future. For the time being, Technics has to do :-)

Technics is not audiophile but is very good for what it is. I had even debated in a Music Hall.

[mrdarcyme]

The sound is muddy,... but there is some life there. Must be an original bearing lp12. Cirkus sucks the life out.

[mertonparka]

One of the worse turntables ever made! A hodge bodge mix of copied and stolen ideas! The suspension on this deck is a joke. Stick a platter in a lump of wood, attach a rubber band and continue to sell it to idiots at a hiked up price for 40 yrs!

[Islwynpaul]

you, my friend, know not of what you speak. The Linn is not the most accurate of turntables, there are others who will give you better highs and lower lows. However if you want to really enjoy a musical presentation of what is in your grooves go out and buy a second hand Linn. There are many out there and you will enjoy your music like never before. I have had many different turntables in the past and enjoyed listening to them all but the Linn is the most musical, full stop.

[wodrummerworld]

sounds and looks good (through my computer speakers wasn't listening real critical though)

[Mr6292]

Just to say I also have a great '12'. It was given to me by a friend who no longer used it, but it's a PL12D, the Pioneer turntable that was also a great buy in the 70's. Mine has an Ortofon FF15EII cartridge with an ADC headshell. Given the price of the Linn Sondek LP12, the Pioneer was a great poor mans choice, as was the later Sansui SR222 MKII. Great days!!

[Mr6292]

The place I worked in sold the LP12 but we kept getting returns, mainly complaints about the build quality and finish which could vary, along with occasional motor instability issues. When an LP12 was defect free though, it was stunning. We had the Lynn /Asak / Ittok combination or the cheaper SME Series 3 (detachable) with a Nagaoka cartridge. That said, this is iconic kit from a wonderful era in high fi. (Usually linked it to Quad 33+405 with Quad electrostatics.) Expensive demon though!

[Pedro4k]

this sounds like shit!!! Do you think it's the TT, your cartridge or my PC speakers??

[stephgaynor]

+ my crap video taken with an older digital camera.

[ctek9]

I am thinking about a 2nd hand Linn LP12 vs a new Rega p3... is the Linn worth it?

[oooowwwwdddd]

Mine is better. I own the BSR Precision Turntable. Mine came with a built-in needle and wires. I bought it new in 1972 with my Emerson stereo sound speakers. It even plays the fast records really perfect. The man at Sears said it was a good one. But my mother just got me an ipod for my birthday but I take my BSR to gramdmas house every Sunday instead of my ipod.

[KAISERKRAUT]

todays generation is reamed on audio that sounds like crap.Todays music or other media for that matter,the last consideration for it is quality.

Today they listen to horribly compressed music off their telephones, and proceed to film and watch video with the same phone.

When todays consumer doesnt demand quality even the garbage CE(consumer electronic) brands begin to produce lesser quality crap

Horribly compressed audio fed from a phone to a horrible tuned subwoofer, thats what the kids want

[123strauss]

I agree Kaiser . Horribly compressed music for today's horribly compressed kids . My little nephew was round last week and he couldn' but gaze at my TT spinning

[rugbytlse]

You know what ? I completely agreewith you!

[EuropeanArchive]

Hello SJG!

Nice... Can you uplooad more video's like this?

If possible, with a plug from the gramophone to the camera? ...

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Greetings,

(otterhouse) Rolf

Historical classical recordings

European Archive, Paris

[Tricyklist]

The difference between CD and vinyl is that one doesn't care whatever a CD is playing but care passionately when music is being reproduced by a Sondek. There is literally no difference between CD players in blind listening tests at any price level. I have tried for hours to tell my brand new £1400 player from my ten year old classic and even my £300 DVDP and find the CDs themselves are more unalike than the digital players! My old Sondek leaves all of them for dead on SQ. No contest at all.

[123strauss]

Is that true Tricky ? Does your LP 12 out perform your £1400 CD player ? In what way , I'd love to know .

[123strauss]

You know , you're probably right Tricky . I 've watched this vid a few times now just to hear and see the Linn spin that heavenly Handel . What a combination >

[OjStudios]

There is much difference in different CD players. I have old technics player for something like 20€ and this new one for over 700€ and the old technics kicks the crap out of this "high end" cd-player.

[LinnSondek]

Totally awesome turntable!  I bought my first one in 1994 (an early 1982 pre-Valhalla model with some upgrades) and have since had several others. I even custom built several for friends, and they couldn't be happier with their "low budget" Linn Sondeks (I custom build the plinths, armboards, fabricate the top plate, all to original spec, use surplus pre-Cirkus subchassis kits, modified Thorens outer platters when the Linn ones can't be found cheap). My records never sounded better!

[sheepbaba]

As CD audio is cut above 20K the overtones are not there. Add a 10k sine wave to a 30K sine wave (3rd order harmonic of and out of human hearing range) and you get a 10k square wave. Hear the difference?

That's the stuff they never told us when they marketed CD's 20 years ago. Engineers later admitted they got it wrong. So vinyl lovers can take comfort in the knowledge they were right after all.

OK you do have to be able to live with the sound of a log fire crackling away...

[123strauss]

And what's not to love about the sound of a log fire LOL

[CLeRKSfan4life]

That would explain the 'warmer' sound. lol

I do prefer vinyl though. It's better in so many ways.

[sheepbaba]

Hi gmr140. I disagree with your theory on PCM 16bit 44.1 digital audio being more suited to certain types of music. That type of audio in my opinion suffers from a severe lack of dynamics. It is relatively flat sounding rather like a photocopy. Analogue audio is rich in depth of field. The only digital audio I find that comes close to the analogue realism is the 24bit 96KHz audio. Still somehow not as involving but has solidity and realism not found on CD. It makes CD sound like MP3.

[sheepbaba]

Wow, that is amazing footage! You could not make a better presentation for the music seeing it played live on an LP12!! This really is the Hi Fi appreciation society. Better than Jazz club. Think I'm gonna break open the biscuits!!

Do you have a VHS or better still a Betamax recording of this in full analogue? Then I suppose film is really the only true way to capture this sublime work. Musicality at its best. Merry Christmas!!! x x x x x x

[steel531]

Very few, if any T/T's can match the LP12 for sheer music making.Music stops and starts in a beguiling way that draws you right in to the records production.Hear a well set up Sondek and cd will become your second choice format,if you are really into the music.

[Bus6845]

CDs is my preference when I listen to solo piano or guitar, as scratches and rumbles don't come with CDs. And those static noise can be annoying.

But like "love at first sight", I am keeping my LPs because that's how I first listened and fell in love with them "at first sound".

[brunogogo]

you should change the cartridge in your head!!!(just a joke, i respect your point)

[Bus6845]

Thanks brunogogo for the greetings. I am also curious about another thing. People like me who are of the older generation listened to LPs in our younger days when our minds were more absorbant and hearings sharpter. As one ages, both of these start to wilt and can CDs really replace the old flame?

[brunogogo]

im not sur to understand youre question(cause im french)sorry. but for me there nothing like lp(but i got a lot of cd). Im not so young too(39 years old), and i think that the young generation is not aware too much to real sound quality(whit mp3) and they just listen 1 or 2 song on the record. but i think also that in a couple of years, the sound or mp3 gonna be better than everything, maybe

[porcaro75]

Anyone who thinks cd's sound better than lp's need to have their ears syringed!!

[Joyriser]

Beautiful classic turntable and highly regarded as a best buy for as long as I can remember. I only had a rega planar 3 and I now long to have vinyl again!

[stephsrecords]

Hi, I grew up w/records & never had my own stereo-went to collage w/a good boom box. When I did get a stereo, my records were long gone. Somehow after hitting a few yard sales, I found myself with a stack of jazz lps and no way to play them; about 7 yrs & a handful of various used turntables later, I have about 7000 records & this 80s vintage Linn LP12.  Records are more fun for me & I do like how they sound, even on inexpensive equipment. See the vids by stephsrecords.

[Joyriser]

Yes thanks.For pure involvement with the artists music nothing beats lowering a finely engineered arm onto vinyl.The rock solid timing and detail of the LP12 and I found it enjoyable to upgrade and align the cartridge.(and clamp the vinyl:)I have a good cd player and I cherry pick on i tunes but it feels empty compared with buying vinyl and putting it on a turntable like yours. Regards

[stephgaynor]

Hi, this is just a silly short video to show someone that my turntable was working. I was not trying to demonstrate anything about the audio quality -- if I were, I'd use a much higher quality audio file and capture the audio separately. Here you have the hum from the canon point and shoot camera mike.

thanks for looking, Stephanie

[gmr140]

Classical needs high dynamic range, LP suffer from this, CD's are meant for Classical, 16 bits = 2^16 voltage levels that can be encoded at 44100 samples a sec, CD's are for classical and real audio recordings like jazz as well.

[aldiakaroofus]

Only a matter of taste. Nothing beats the warmth of analog sound.

[KAISERKRAUT]

not sure what planet your from, but the very limiting 44100khz samppling rate that you mention is the exact reason why compact discs suck.

[MrOzzyIommi]

compact discs sucks for many many reasons, VINYL FTW!!!!!!!!

[thetubeisgr8]

Considering our ears only have a 22000 khz range, I think that doubling that to 44, making it twice what our ears can hear anyway is a pretty safe bet that cd is perfect in every way! Pick up a $20 cd player and try and hear surface noise, hisses, pops, crackles. You can't! Pick up a $2000 dollar record player and you still get all that shit ruining the music! VInyl is dead! Net you will tell me you go hunting for food with a wooden club like a caveman! This is the 21st not 18th centuary!

[KAISERKRAUT]

It is all in the mastering process that makes a compact disc sound horrible, it is impossible to master one correctly.

The surface noise you hear off a record, is the result of some clueless idiot who does not how to care for a record,properly cared for vinyl is void of surface noise

Human hearing goes 20hz-20000Khz

Compact disc's have to "drop and loose" some information in order for the math to work,one of the many reasons cd's suck.

[yogibear2k3]

So,they have to drop and lose information, but its information thats not audible anyway! I would much rather drop and lose non-audio content than have to listen to all the crap you can't lose when litening to vinyl!

[KAISERKRAUT]

Dynamic range is about all cd has, and no one uses it correctly in mastering todays discs, And there will be some resdiual surface noise on a record, i will give you that, but horrible compression used for cd's, eliminate all nuance and airy quality of music, horrible compression used in cd format, creates distortion as it runs through the digtal compressors for play back, goto a real hi fi shop and listen to a real table,and learn something.

[KAISERKRAUT]

And one more to add,

The most modern music in the world(club,rave,disco,hall) comes out on Vinyl and only on Vinyl...so yes, it is the 21st century.

[yogibear2k3]

LOL, exactly! And who wants to listen to THAT crap! Thats just for the saddo d'j's who work in saddo nightclubs (which, I am VERY proud to say I never go in.) I would much rather listen to REAL music, (Jazz, Funk, 40's 50's, classical) that sound a million times better remastered onto CD. Especially classical! Listen to a quiet classical on vinyl and you may as well be listening to someone scrape sandpaper on a chalkboard. Listen to it on CD and its PURE MAGIC!

[KAISERKRAUT]

I think the issue here is that your level of reference when it comes to a record and turntable set up is the problem, of course if you listen to poorly kept record on some piece of junk consumer electronic shit(Pioneer Sony SHARP JVC ONKYO Ect..) turntable, the compact disc will initally sound better, I will give u that, but u should take the time to go and listen to a real turntable in a hi fi shop, after they laugh at u when u say u listen to classical on disc, they will show u how its done.

[kloug2006]

@KAISERKRAUT In the era of vinyls and hi end turntables, I was an avid consumer of those expansive gears. Vinyls was good indeed because it was the best we knew at that time. But when I discovered the CD, I quickly gave up the vinyls. Of course, there is a lot of poorly mastered CDs, like there was a lot of badly recorded and pressed LPs. But there are gems in LPs as well as in CDs. Ultimately, the CD is a better audio support, and I did not even speak yet about the SACD or DVD-Audio!

[bcdhifi]

@thetubeisgr8 You are confusing sampling rates with hearing range. range

and resolution are two different things.

[opstanasig]

Very nice turntable!