Me too, we lost an awsum old dog to this shit. Give the politicians a dose of it. I feel like I've had a dose of it after hearing them tell us how good it is. Coaster
nothin deserves to die this way this post is to every singale person how defends the 1080 poision yall are some heartless piece of shit mother fuckers the earth has ben around for thousands of years and has done fine its the human speices that is fuckin it up how about i startin treatin people the way thaey treat the animales
@dodlord u make me laugh how u support 1080. you back up how they say it is only dropped in remote areas that are only accesible by air. if this were true why do they drop it on mt tauhara in taupo when it has a fucking public walking track up it. u wanna c a remote country go to nepal or somewhere like tht. thts wea u belong
@dodlord and you think the benefits outweigh the negatives what a load of bullshit. i bet you cant even name a benefit. ur just a little office worker that knws nothing about the matter, and has a mouth to big for your own good, now if i havent silenced you already i sugest you do us all a favour and shut the fuck up
in which are our national icon, 1080 is killing this country, countries overseas are finding out how much we 1080 poison we drop on our land and are cutting ties with us because they do not want to trade with us let alone buy meat from a country that drops over 80% of the worlds 1080 product. so really you dont know shit wen it comes to this matter, ur probly some office person that has never been in the bush so i suggest u just shut ur mouth and stick to talkn about things u atleast knw about
@dodlord introduced, there was probly not a ridgeline in this country that did not have a possum trapline running down it. waihaha native bush was reduced to less than 8% of possums with gin traps, my father was one of the ones that trapped, so u dont know shit. if department of conservation are the best thing since sliced bread then why did they trap 12 kiwis from the wild and release them into one of their "safe" enclosures which had a stoat in it in which killed 11 from 12. of those kiwis
@dodlord i cant believe u said that haha, do u really think 1080 is good for our environment? the amount of poison that is dumped in our bushes destroyes the birdlife, it is dropped from the air landing in the natural water baths for birds in the tops of native trees like rimu and totara which are thousands of years old, birds swim in these take a drink then go and die. not to mention the deer and various other controllable animals that are destroyed, possums were controlled longbefore 1080 was
1080 is the only current control method for the large scale management of New Zealands unique forest ecosystems.
You argue it kills deer? possums? pigs? rats? dogs? Well guess what, it's suppose to. The damage caused to rejuvenating bush through-out the country is unbelievable. I ask some of you to go to areas of little or no possum control (or predator control), and tell me what you think of those areas.
Little bird life, no forest regeneration, and a quickly decreasing canopy.
It's a very tricky thing. If you want to protect the unique New Zealand ecosystems then these introduced animals like deer and posssums need to go. but as this video shows it is not very humane because you cannot controle the ammount the animals eat so they could just get really sick and have a lot of pain. Shooting them would probably be more humane. Or the deer could be rounded up with dogs and brought to a deer farm.
You're a disgrace. When your opinion is backed up with absolutely nothing substantial, keep it to yourself. Once you have a clue what you're even talking about, then leave your opinion.
I need to mention the only manufacturers of the chemical in the world are disputable for their non compliance with governing bodies and failure to meet regulations. Other than these factors look at the science of the chemical, it will break down under ideal conditions, in water at 25 degrees.... although anyone with practical experience will know that an alpine environment is not by any stretch of the imagination ideal conditions. Anyone else would be dealt a harsh punishment for this offense!!
I am concerned for my own well being because of what I have discovered after watching the Graf boys video production and my own research on the internet. DOC ( and local body authorities) are dropping toxic poisons over vaste areas of NZ landscape when DOC have NO EVIDENCE that 1080 drops are of benefit to any of the species that they are trying to protect, also the majority of the world have condemned the use of this poison as to its unknown and unpredictable effects on non target species.
I just went and saw the opening for the Graf boys "poisoning paradise" film. I thought it was brilliant! They did an awesome job on it and it was full of very interesting facts. Things I never thought 10/80 would effect like the bugs in the ground, plants and their aphids! I and didn't know about the strict instruction when using the poison that all dead bodies must be burnt or buried deeply, how do DOC get away with not doing this???!!!
Because if they dont use 1080 there will be no plants left, that means no birds! 1080 is good for bugs it kills rats that eat bugs snails ect. "There will be no paradise soon unless we use 1080!!!!"
What happens is that the plants, the only thing not killed by this stuff, become toxic enough to kill the aphids that live on them. ( I would like some of this shit in my pot plants) It does not stop killing things. The Germans tried this stuff out in their concentration camps before cyanide, and thought it too dangerous for the staff to handle. Our Gov doesn't give a damn.
@boday07 - 1080 kills everything! it kills bugs and birds eat bugs and then birds get secondary poisoning! Have you been into the bush after 1080 has been dropped and seen first hand what it has killed? If not, I suggest you do before you go spreading your naive opinions around !
With all due respect to researchers and scientist who tell us that the animals they had in lab did or did not react to a given situation i have to say i am a professional hunting guide and my lab is out there and i have seen pregnant hind aborting a fetus dead trouts and so on.And to say the least to the gentelman from Forest and Baird we should not be concern to much about black powder because after all the main ingredients are 'salt peter and charcoal'.I have been guide since 1979.
You're a moron. You're so easily influenced by the first images that pop into your head.
Do the research yourself.
I'm going to write a comment to the main page so you can read that too if you wish. I'm more than happy to discuss this with you also, as I would like nothing more than to show people the ridiculous accusations being proliferated about this poison, and the how the benefits outweigh the negatives 10-fold.
Why not bring back the bounty system for possums and ferrets? I think rabbits to but that's another story. There excuses for not doing so really don't add up. And if they need to control deer etc use helicopters, also recover, process and export the meat instead of leaving it there to rot.
Yep, I live about half an hour from where they make this shit. Our current congressman Mike Rogers took money from Charles Wigley the man who owns tull chemical, the only company allowed to produce compound 1080. If we can get a new congressman in office in 2010, then we can get rid of 1080.
What is wrong with shooting pests rather than taking down the whole forest including man's best friend?. What a bloody shame. DoC really needs to change its policy and attitude towards 1080 poisoning.
Some viewers are easily led. Most 1080 baits are meat-based. How many do deer eat? Aussie Poison Pea (Gastrolobium) is loaded with natural 1080; kills all kinds of ruminants. So does African Poison Leaf (Dichapetalum cymosum). Rachel Carson's dorky DDT-bird-egg-fish cycle was debunked years ago. Malaria kills millions of Africans yearly since the DDT ban. I'm no champion of 1080 but it's organic, decomposes fast, has no substitute yet. A 2.8-oz bait kills a feral dog-17 lbs. would kill a man.
The poison was developed by the Nazis, tested horrifyingly on Jews and dissidents, and then rejected for Death Camp use because it was too dangerous for death camp staff to handle.The NZ Gov. cares less about us than Hitler cared about his soldiers.
Fluoroacetates weren't "developed by the Nazis". The toxic nature of 2-Fluoroethane-1-X compounds was simultaneously discovered independantly in the late 1930s in Poland, the UK and Germany. If you would want to be specific about the issue, the first one who made extensive research on fluoroacetate toxicology was a certain B. C. Saunders, a British. Nazis did test quite every poison known to them on humans though.
R. Carsons's "Silent Spring" was largerly debunked, but not the environmental toxicity of DDT. Look at TOXNET HSDB for toxicological profile of DDT. Fluoroacetate is not much persistent, though enough so to poison every scavenger feeding on the carcass of a poisoned animal.
How do you know how persistent fluoroacetate is? Also do you know how persistent fluorocitrate (its metabolised product) is? Do you have measurements of persistency for the various conditions of NZ bush, e.g. 7C, in water? I have been looking for this information but have not yet found it. I would be grateful if you could let me know the source of your information.
That guy at the end was an ass! Just because you get salt and vinegar out of a fatally toxic substance doesn't mean it's safe. This kind of suffering is painstaking to watch...
i know??????? ill poison the area to stop germs, i think you should kill humans to stop the poisoning, then there will be no spread of the said TB!!! or poisoning, simple......... but oh no!!!!!!! were to unique to be wasted. go ahead fuck up the eco system..... why dont you just build a fucking road through it while you at it
DOC NZ should understand,10-80 is just not the way!!!!!! issue more hunting permit may be better!!!!! preserving the nz bush has nothing to do with eliminating the whole wild animal population. plus the population of animals is far from getting out of hand.
Sodium fluoroacetate needs to be given to everybody who supports it.
juniortore1 2 weeks ago
this video should've been uploaded in 1080p ;)
deadlyNytshayd 3 months ago
Me too, we lost an awsum old dog to this shit. Give the politicians a dose of it. I feel like I've had a dose of it after hearing them tell us how good it is. Coaster
gael638 5 months ago
nothin deserves to die this way this post is to every singale person how defends the 1080 poision yall are some heartless piece of shit mother fuckers the earth has ben around for thousands of years and has done fine its the human speices that is fuckin it up how about i startin treatin people the way thaey treat the animales
sntlaw 1 year ago
@sntlaw So our native birds should get eaten because you think poisoning is heartless.
omgshrimpz 6 months ago
@dodlord u make me laugh how u support 1080. you back up how they say it is only dropped in remote areas that are only accesible by air. if this were true why do they drop it on mt tauhara in taupo when it has a fucking public walking track up it. u wanna c a remote country go to nepal or somewhere like tht. thts wea u belong
lifesaboar3 1 year ago
@dodlord and you think the benefits outweigh the negatives what a load of bullshit. i bet you cant even name a benefit. ur just a little office worker that knws nothing about the matter, and has a mouth to big for your own good, now if i havent silenced you already i sugest you do us all a favour and shut the fuck up
lifesaboar3 1 year ago
in which are our national icon, 1080 is killing this country, countries overseas are finding out how much we 1080 poison we drop on our land and are cutting ties with us because they do not want to trade with us let alone buy meat from a country that drops over 80% of the worlds 1080 product. so really you dont know shit wen it comes to this matter, ur probly some office person that has never been in the bush so i suggest u just shut ur mouth and stick to talkn about things u atleast knw about
lifesaboar3 1 year ago
@dodlord introduced, there was probly not a ridgeline in this country that did not have a possum trapline running down it. waihaha native bush was reduced to less than 8% of possums with gin traps, my father was one of the ones that trapped, so u dont know shit. if department of conservation are the best thing since sliced bread then why did they trap 12 kiwis from the wild and release them into one of their "safe" enclosures which had a stoat in it in which killed 11 from 12. of those kiwis
lifesaboar3 1 year ago
@dodlord i cant believe u said that haha, do u really think 1080 is good for our environment? the amount of poison that is dumped in our bushes destroyes the birdlife, it is dropped from the air landing in the natural water baths for birds in the tops of native trees like rimu and totara which are thousands of years old, birds swim in these take a drink then go and die. not to mention the deer and various other controllable animals that are destroyed, possums were controlled longbefore 1080 was
lifesaboar3 1 year ago
My god this is so terrible to do to that poor dog, or any animal. What the fuck is wrong with people...
dale3858 1 year ago
1080 is the only current control method for the large scale management of New Zealands unique forest ecosystems.
You argue it kills deer? possums? pigs? rats? dogs? Well guess what, it's suppose to. The damage caused to rejuvenating bush through-out the country is unbelievable. I ask some of you to go to areas of little or no possum control (or predator control), and tell me what you think of those areas.
Little bird life, no forest regeneration, and a quickly decreasing canopy.
Learn the facts
dodlord 1 year ago
The part with the dog is utterly the most horrible thing i have ever seen.
GR4NDTH3FT4UTO 1 year ago
It's a very tricky thing. If you want to protect the unique New Zealand ecosystems then these introduced animals like deer and posssums need to go. but as this video shows it is not very humane because you cannot controle the ammount the animals eat so they could just get really sick and have a lot of pain. Shooting them would probably be more humane. Or the deer could be rounded up with dogs and brought to a deer farm.
klaverenvrouwke 2 years ago
@klaverenvrouwke
Someone who is seeing both sides of the coin, although, you're still looking at it in a black and white fashion.
This coin has more than just those two sides, it is much more multi-factored than that.
dodlord 1 year ago
boday07...
you talk a heap of shit
richardbev 2 years ago
1080 is a disgrace to nz
lifesaboar3 2 years ago
@lifesaboar3
You're a disgrace. When your opinion is backed up with absolutely nothing substantial, keep it to yourself. Once you have a clue what you're even talking about, then leave your opinion.
dodlord 1 year ago
I need to mention the only manufacturers of the chemical in the world are disputable for their non compliance with governing bodies and failure to meet regulations. Other than these factors look at the science of the chemical, it will break down under ideal conditions, in water at 25 degrees.... although anyone with practical experience will know that an alpine environment is not by any stretch of the imagination ideal conditions. Anyone else would be dealt a harsh punishment for this offense!!
lawnscapesolutions 2 years ago 3
I am concerned for my own well being because of what I have discovered after watching the Graf boys video production and my own research on the internet. DOC ( and local body authorities) are dropping toxic poisons over vaste areas of NZ landscape when DOC have NO EVIDENCE that 1080 drops are of benefit to any of the species that they are trying to protect, also the majority of the world have condemned the use of this poison as to its unknown and unpredictable effects on non target species.
lawnscapesolutions 2 years ago
I just went and saw the opening for the Graf boys "poisoning paradise" film. I thought it was brilliant! They did an awesome job on it and it was full of very interesting facts. Things I never thought 10/80 would effect like the bugs in the ground, plants and their aphids! I and didn't know about the strict instruction when using the poison that all dead bodies must be burnt or buried deeply, how do DOC get away with not doing this???!!!
LoLamont 2 years ago
Because if they dont use 1080 there will be no plants left, that means no birds! 1080 is good for bugs it kills rats that eat bugs snails ect. "There will be no paradise soon unless we use 1080!!!!"
boday07 2 years ago
What happens is that the plants, the only thing not killed by this stuff, become toxic enough to kill the aphids that live on them. ( I would like some of this shit in my pot plants) It does not stop killing things. The Germans tried this stuff out in their concentration camps before cyanide, and thought it too dangerous for the staff to handle. Our Gov doesn't give a damn.
waiotahi52 2 years ago
@boday07 - 1080 kills everything! it kills bugs and birds eat bugs and then birds get secondary poisoning! Have you been into the bush after 1080 has been dropped and seen first hand what it has killed? If not, I suggest you do before you go spreading your naive opinions around !
LoLamont 1 year ago
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cdubwestsyde 2 years ago
PENIS
infectedmushroom1337 2 years ago
Holy shit! i better put down my bag of salt and vinegar chips. What an ignorant arsehole
gimmemud 2 years ago
that smug prick at the end needs a punch in the throat
qztt791 2 years ago
With all due respect to researchers and scientist who tell us that the animals they had in lab did or did not react to a given situation i have to say i am a professional hunting guide and my lab is out there and i have seen pregnant hind aborting a fetus dead trouts and so on.And to say the least to the gentelman from Forest and Baird we should not be concern to much about black powder because after all the main ingredients are 'salt peter and charcoal'.I have been guide since 1979.
waikarimoana 2 years ago
lol the dog is tripping! 1080 trip!! ::p
mango11223344 3 years ago
man I hate DOC, they have gone over the top.
janart36 3 years ago 3
@janart36
You're a moron. You're so easily influenced by the first images that pop into your head.
Do the research yourself.
I'm going to write a comment to the main page so you can read that too if you wish. I'm more than happy to discuss this with you also, as I would like nothing more than to show people the ridiculous accusations being proliferated about this poison, and the how the benefits outweigh the negatives 10-fold.
dodlord 1 year ago
Why not bring back the bounty system for possums and ferrets? I think rabbits to but that's another story. There excuses for not doing so really don't add up. And if they need to control deer etc use helicopters, also recover, process and export the meat instead of leaving it there to rot.
NZ500D 3 years ago
This stuff is made by some idiots in Oxford, Alabama.
DustyMarlin 3 years ago
Yep, I live about half an hour from where they make this shit. Our current congressman Mike Rogers took money from Charles Wigley the man who owns tull chemical, the only company allowed to produce compound 1080. If we can get a new congressman in office in 2010, then we can get rid of 1080.
quigonjinnjc 3 years ago
What is wrong with shooting pests rather than taking down the whole forest including man's best friend?. What a bloody shame. DoC really needs to change its policy and attitude towards 1080 poisoning.
freshingtron 3 years ago
The 1080 used in New Zealand is either mixed with cereal (oats etc) and died green or soaked into carrots, not meat-based.
Ruru7x57 3 years ago
Some viewers are easily led. Most 1080 baits are meat-based. How many do deer eat? Aussie Poison Pea (Gastrolobium) is loaded with natural 1080; kills all kinds of ruminants. So does African Poison Leaf (Dichapetalum cymosum). Rachel Carson's dorky DDT-bird-egg-fish cycle was debunked years ago. Malaria kills millions of Africans yearly since the DDT ban. I'm no champion of 1080 but it's organic, decomposes fast, has no substitute yet. A 2.8-oz bait kills a feral dog-17 lbs. would kill a man.
PropagandaSkeptic 3 years ago
The poison was developed by the Nazis, tested horrifyingly on Jews and dissidents, and then rejected for Death Camp use because it was too dangerous for death camp staff to handle.The NZ Gov. cares less about us than Hitler cared about his soldiers.
waiotahi52 3 years ago
Fluoroacetates weren't "developed by the Nazis". The toxic nature of 2-Fluoroethane-1-X compounds was simultaneously discovered independantly in the late 1930s in Poland, the UK and Germany. If you would want to be specific about the issue, the first one who made extensive research on fluoroacetate toxicology was a certain B. C. Saunders, a British. Nazis did test quite every poison known to them on humans though.
Entress 3 years ago
R. Carsons's "Silent Spring" was largerly debunked, but not the environmental toxicity of DDT. Look at TOXNET HSDB for toxicological profile of DDT. Fluoroacetate is not much persistent, though enough so to poison every scavenger feeding on the carcass of a poisoned animal.
Entress 3 years ago
Hi Entress
How do you know how persistent fluoroacetate is? Also do you know how persistent fluorocitrate (its metabolised product) is? Do you have measurements of persistency for the various conditions of NZ bush, e.g. 7C, in water? I have been looking for this information but have not yet found it. I would be grateful if you could let me know the source of your information.
1080stopthedrop 3 years ago
That guy at the end was an ass! Just because you get salt and vinegar out of a fatally toxic substance doesn't mean it's safe. This kind of suffering is painstaking to watch...
UFCornchips 3 years ago
Well if 1080 poison is so harmless, lets see our Forest & Bird person eat a 1080 bait.
404Jeffery 3 years ago
who do we think we are..........
i know??????? ill poison the area to stop germs, i think you should kill humans to stop the poisoning, then there will be no spread of the said TB!!! or poisoning, simple......... but oh no!!!!!!! were to unique to be wasted. go ahead fuck up the eco system..... why dont you just build a fucking road through it while you at it
twilkes123 4 years ago
Are they going to wait untill they have a problem like the one we had in the states with DDT and bird eggs/fish/ the entire ecosystem is being ruined
ShamsuWorrior 4 years ago
DOC NZ should understand,10-80 is just not the way!!!!!! issue more hunting permit may be better!!!!! preserving the nz bush has nothing to do with eliminating the whole wild animal population. plus the population of animals is far from getting out of hand.
chenke721 4 years ago